Personally, I think she and her brother are mutants but that she used her powers to alter that. My headcanon is that they were both mutants until the AXIS event where Wanda cast a spell to essentially "cause pain" to those related to her. Quicksilver was physically hurt but physical pain means nothing to Magneto so the worst pain for him would be the emotional pain caused by finding out that the twins aren't his children. We've known for a while that sometimes Wanda's power don't work exactly the way she wants them to and even when they do she doesn't have complete control on what effects they have (An example would be if Wanda wanted to put out a fire, instead of just deleting the fire her powers may cause it to rain or burst a nearby water pipe). So when she cast the spell it shifted reality so that quicksilver and the scarlet witch were no longer related to Magneto (i.e mutants) but still had their powers (i.e. mutates). Them originally being mutants would work with the fact that they use to register as mutants to x-gene detecting technology like sentinels (which I don't really get how High evolutionary could disguise them as mutants without them having an activated x-gene) and it would take into account the fact the Pietro lost his powers after M-DAY, which wouldn't make sense if he was just a mutate disguised as a mutant especially when Pietro started messing with Terrigen crystals to bring his and other mutants powers back. Thank you for coming to my 8 months late TED Talk
Glad someone is addressing this. She definitely should be a mutant and I hate that she’s considered a “pretender.” As far as I’m concerned Magneto is the Master of Metal and Polaris, Quick Silver and Scarlet Witch are his mutant children.
Agreed this whole mutate thing was a corporate move by Disney, if she were still a mutant Fox could use her in their movies which they simply could not allow
I think the people who say "Magic powers aren't a mutant thing" forget that mutants have a LOT of connections to magic in the Marvel Universe. Like, X-calibur is series that revolves around that specifically. The apprentice of the Sorceror Supreme is a mutant (Magik), the Demiurge is a mutant (Wiccan), Selene is both a mutant and a witch, Captain Britain's siblings are both mutants, etc. Hell, the X-men have an ACTUAL fairy/mutant hybrid amongst them (Pixie). Even Apocalypse is a wizard now. Mutants are magic go together ALL the time.
This is magic at play. Wanda and Quicksilver are definitely Magneto's children. Take also the fact that Quicksilver looks identical to Magneto. More so than Magneto's clone Joseph even!
I think they should still be Magneto kids and mutants. 1. Pietro literally looks like a less buff Magneto. 2. Sentinels have identified them as mutants. 3. When Zemo took Charles brain and made people hate mutants {they could even sense if a baby was a mutant or not} and they attacked her even Thor attacked her. The brain effect wasn't for people with powers {As no one attacked Captain America, Thor } it was specific for people with the X gene. 4. House of M, Pietro was de-powered when Wanda says "No more mutants'' why would he be de-powered if he isn't a mutant. 5. I liked that there was mutants outside x men comics and shows that mutants have more options other than X men or brotherhood. 6. Magneto is definitely the type to do DNA test just to make sure they are his actual children probably behind the scene before he announced himself as their father. 7. It also made the marvel comics feel more unified as in that its all in one world. 8. Also not making them Magneto kids erase all Magneto development as a fatherly figure and erases their Jewish heritage. 9. They were born with powers meaning they are mutants not mutate
Yes, Scarlett Witch & Quicksilver are mutants, the only reason they retconned this saying that the High Evolutionary gave them their powers was because Fox still had the rights to all the X-MEN & FF characters. Now that the Fox/Disney deal is complete & all characters are back, I'm willing to bet that they're gonna retcon that retcon & make them mutants & Magneto's true children again. It just makes more sense Fact is: 1) their mother, Magneto's wife took off after Magneto killed everyone responsible for Anya's death. She took off, & Magneto didn't know she was pregnant 2) she came across a house in the mountains where Bova took her in & delivered the twins 3) she took off in the snowstorm outta fear that he'd find her, presumably dying from exposure 3) Quicksilver was on X-Factor for years & an official member of the X-MEN in the AoA 4) When he married Crystal of the Inhumans they were both tested to find out why their daughter Luna was only human since she was of mutant/inhuman parentage(this was the same story where Magneto found out he was a grandfather & apologized for how he treated them & wanted to be in their lives aka the start of his hero turn part of the reason he turned good & took over the X-MEN for Xavier). Bottom line I agree w/you that they're gonna make both of them mutants again, because even if High Evolutionary did augment them, although I don't really think he did, so much as to talk shut to play head games w/ them, what, he made them a super speedster, & a reality warper? Yeah right
There’s no reason Wanda can’t be a Mutant and Sorceress. She could have her whole magic history from her Mom’s side and the Mutant from her dads (Magneto). Making her not a mutant just takes away from her character and her history. Wanda has always been kinda an outsider to the mutants so we could still have most her stories with her doing magic or chilling with the Avengers, but then also have her Mutant lineage. It could also explain why she’s so strong, the mixture of magic and mutant blood. I don’t think we really need to explain her strength, but it could be an interesting note. I also just think it’d be very cool to have her more involved in the current era of X-Men comics with them bringing in all Mutants.
I'm calling it now, High Evolutionary is gonna be revealed to be manipulating Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver and Magneto is gonna be revealed to be their father after all.
I love the Scarlet witch! One of the first superheros i remember reading about and her powers. It made me a fan so whimsical. I feel they should make her a magical mutant.
If it I was the writers I would have made Wanda a mutant before House of X and had her lose he mutant heritage with the now famous line “no more mutants”
Actually i like her better as an experiment with reality warping powers and magic or "Chaos Magic" because they always used her as a plot device and never had much to do with the x-men, she's an Avenger and always will be.
Her mystical lore involving Chthon is far deeper, richer, and more interesting than the mutant stuff which is generic and only really serves Magneto's narrative. Chthon works far better as the evil father figure than Magneto because the conflict between them is over Chaos Magic itself, and Chthon poses a real threat to Wanda. Magneto is just a nuisance. Her rogues gallery (Chthon, Set, Lore, Master Pandemonium) are all mystical. Her ties to Blade and Victoria Montessi deserve more focus, and she belongs in the Avengers.
@@Relugus I like the idea of her changing her own life after her "no more mutants," to stop being a mutant. That sounds ridiculous, but to change the nature of her powers as she was powerful enough to create life.
Her first comic run was with mutant conflicts. She's always been viewed as a mutant and even if she isn't as prominent as Scott or Logan she does have a few mutant centred storylines. Its less her and more Pietro who struggled heavily with the implication of his link to Magneto. Also it makes no sense for them not to be Magneto's children or mutants also removes their jewish heritage.
I hope that she somehow is brought back into the mutant fold. With her powers it is not impossible that she herself wished herself not to be a mutant or the daughter of Magneto in a moment of anger (I'm not your daughter and never was!) and manipulated reality at that time. Wanda coud still be a witch but one with mutant powers along with supernatural powers that were inherited from an ancestor. I would like this because I think the family aspect of Wanda, Pietro, Magneto, Polaris and the rest made them all very unique and added to the Marvel lore in a positive way.
I think being a witch and mutant at once is perfectly possible, and she would hardly be the first mutant witch. Like, Selene, Magik and Pixie are mutant witches already (and Pixie is even a fairy hybrid).
I believe all of the previous continuity can be maintained with a very mild retcon. The twins newest history is that their mother was a Romani witch named Natalya Maximoff, and their father is unnamed. Now imagine that Natalya is also the Romani wife of Magneto, using the name Magda, looking to "retire" from the adventurous life that had been consuming her existence. When the house fire traps their daughter Anya, and Magnus unleashes his fury on the villagers, she flees, because this is exactly what she did not want. "Magda" goes to Wundagore, which Natalya is familiar with, and gives birth, before abandoning the twins, and fleeing again. Chthon made contact with Wanda due to the hereditary potential of the Scarlet Witch. This leaves so much story potential. Did "Magda" really die in the blizzard? Did Anya really die in the house fire? The High Evolutionary's claim of experimenting on them could be factual as well. His failure wasn't in giving them their abilities, but in ruining their development of those abilities, which is why the creation Luminous is more powerful than both twins. This would be in between attempting to give the twins to Robert Frank, and giving them to Django and Marya Maximoff, who were potentially their aunt and uncle, which would add credence to them naming their daughter Ana, and "Magda" naming her daughter Anya, and Django's talent for animating the dolls he made, making it his magic, and not inherent in the wood. After House of M, Magneto, Quicksilver, and the Scarlet Witch appeared to be part of the group who had their X-Gene removed, but in reality, all Wanda did was suppress it. When Magneto and Quicksilver both attempted to regain their abilities, all they really did was unlock what was still there. Pietro's "new" abilities he gained from the exposure to the Terrigen crystals, were actually part of his original abilities before the High Evolutionary's tampering. This also leaves an opening to explore how Wanda's abilities would have progressed without his influence. The blood spell she cast in Axis didn't visibly affect her either. If you read how she worded the spell, it does not distinguish to exclude herself from the curse. My opinion is that Pietro bore the brunt of the changes the High Evolutionary made, and it made him more susceptible to her spell, which is why only he was visibly affected, but due to their tampered genes, actually affected them both, and had the side effect of hiding the X-Gene, like the original House of M spell, but allowing them to still access the abilities. This is a whole lot of fan theory, but it is also the easiest solution to the twins convoluted past, and bring opportunity for a wealth of future stories.
Really enjoying your channel & podcast! Do you think that the MCU is currently in the House of M, but just haven’t introduced that to the publics eye just yet, and will that be the way they bring in the Mutants &/or X-Men???
This is a wild theory and I love it! I don't expect House of M specifically, but I *could* see a situation where the world was made to forget mutants, rather than their sudden emergence in the MCU. Sorta like Sentry but on a much bigger level. Either way, I'm confident the MCU will handle successfully!
Okay okay, on second thought after resolving thinking about the evidence you laid out, it really would make sense that she is actually a sorceress who’s genes have been tampered with and isn’t a mutant. I will admit that her powers did always seem “outside the realm of Mutants.” Just like Storm has some dormant magical ability but still has her X gene that makes her Storm. So here’s my new theory: Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were abducted from their real parents by the High Evolutionary and experimented on. It made Quicksilver a Mutate and/or it awoken a dormant X gene (though it would make more sense if he is a Mutate and not a mutant). Scarlet Witch however had such powerful chaos magic inherited from her mother that it protected her from the experiments and she was left with her powers. The High Evolutionary in order to cover up his failure in his experiments, which he has a history of failing, convinced them that they are Mutants and that Magneto is their father, but no one truly knows. Any effort to find out who their true father is has been subconsciously manipulated by chaos magic depending on Scarlet Witch’s mental state at the time and who she WISHES her father was. We also find out that her unbalanced nature is the only effect that the High Evolutionary’s experiments had on her and people around her have been (often unknowingly) making her more and more mentally unstable her whole life by seeking to manipulate her. Including her own brother. However, due to her unwise use of chaos magic, which Dr. Strange said is not a thing but it actually is the one magic he knows nothing about because of its chaotic nature, Scarlet Witch could in theory warp reality so that she is a Mutant who creates probability manipulating fields which is a type of Realty Warping. So she’s the one charter that can in fact, be either Mutant or not depending on what she really wants for herself. This is going to be my Head Canon and seems like a pretty solid way to deal with the issue. 🤷🏽♂️
I have never been able to discover who Polaris' mother is, or if she is older or younger than the twins. Can you shed any light on this in a future episode?
I prefer both Scarlet Witch and Quick Silver as mutants and as the children of Magneto. Marvel only reconned the history of both Wanda and Pietro because Fox had the rights to the X-Men and mutants and Marvel had decided to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans (like that was ever going to happen).
@@blacknyx19 Yh but if canon goes against previously established material that has strong evidence fans would tend to ignore it. Its canon that Tony stark is adopted and Thor is Firehair's son but the fans still say he's Gaia's son and that Tony is Howards son. If they change Xavier to not being mutant, would you accept it? I know I wouldn't.
Also I think they call her a pretender because for the x-men world she pretended to be a mutant, but in reality she didn't know that she wasn't a mutant until that retcon
If I'm not mistaken Moira herself was not a mutant in her first life. I suspect Sinister altered her DNA when she was a frail child. My point is that it isn't impossible for someone to have their dormant mutant genes awakened artificially, like Deadpool.
She and quicksilver who is a great character also should be mutants but scarlet witch being a witch and mutant with both abilities enhancing the other.❤
@@Comicbookherald What if it was Agamotto was behind High Evolutionary putting out that Wanda was a mutant? Agamotto believed/feared that knowledge of Chaos Magic would make his uncle Chthon more powerful. In Mighty Avengers, Chthon revealed that Agamotto and the sorcerers falsely claimed Chaos Magic did not exist.
I think the simplest, best way to fix this whole is mess is like this: Magneto and the original Scarlet Witch had a fling. They did the nasty and she got pregnant. And then, for one reason or another, she decides that they have to be apart. So she wipes his memory of her and the twins. Magneto is left with only vague, unprecise memories of the time, which explains why he didn't reconize Wanda's likeness earlier. "Once upon a time, Magneto boned a witch, and that's how we got into this mess..."
I alway thought the experiment that Wanda and Pietro went through could be amalgamations all the other children that that the high evolutionary did like wiz kids, magus kids, and many more resulting in them as the perfected weapons Making say they don’t really have any ‘Real’ parent and make the sense to all the recons in one front
Are the goals of the High Evolutionary known? If yes, how do Wanda & Pietro factor into them? If no, what might be theorized from his manipulation of the twins? Also, while Wanda was the focus of this piece, what additional information can be had from Pietro? For example, Terrigen Mist is supposed to kill mutants, yet it didn't kill Pietro nor his daughter.
@@caitlinbrewer4843 Also those that would have been using their powers at the time, like if Angel was flying in the sky and his wings just dissapeared and he be falling to his death. {That was an example}
In Wanda Maximoff is a Mutant with her brother Pietro they were both born with there powers ; there father is Eric Lennsher aka Magneto . People are mixing her comic origins with her M.C. U origins Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are marvel legendary heroes. and that shouldn't be taken from her . .
See the problem with Marvel "Editors & Writers" is they just up and change Characters origins, You can't make a normal Human into a half-breed (Cap-Marvel Carol Danvers) same goes with Mutants, Psylocke she can't be a Mutant if her twin Brother Brian "Cap-Britain isn't, we still don't know if Kwannon is or isn't a Mutants? They went and did this with Cloak & Dagger and few others , Here we are with Wanda - The Scarlet Witch the Pretender? what does that make Quicksilver? In this Marvel universe Zemo Power machine turned Wonder man into an Immortal, Next to Atlas & Count Nefaria, but he never use it on himself, If you give a normal Human Gamma-powers he's a HULK, giving pop claws, and Healing Factor that make you immortal, outside of selling your soul to the Devil and becoming a Ghost Rider, Apocalypse blood can change a Mutant into an immortal
I don’t think it matters a ton who her dad is. Human parents have mutant children throughout the Marvel universe. The Magneto connection and changing their status just feels more like a political thing done by Marvel when they didn’t have the rights. It’s not as important for Wanda but I feel like it matters that Pietro be a mutant.
SPOILER 📢 ⚠️ 🚨 I saw something in the preview for X-men #1, that ties into the whole Scarlet Witch questions. I won't straight up spoil it, but when it's noticed, you will know...😆 🤣
Only resonance for the 2000's Recon happen the way it did, is do to Fox fall out with Disney/ Marvel and the rights for the movies. It pity but that the only way that can take back the rights from Fox. Let's Hope Hikman will Fix this problem they wright themselves into.
it doesn't bother me....I never viewed her as an xmen character at all so losing that background to me isn't going destory the character for me and its opens up the whole mystical and magical side of things even more....she is an avenger not really to relevant to the x side of things and after all that has happened I think its for the best....never was the biggest fans of the twins being mags kids either.....as long as he has polaris who imo fits better and is a true xmen character im good.
Wanda and Pietro started off as the brotherhood of mutsnts so were part of the X-men story but decided to have nothing to do with mutant vs human conflict. Which is relatable. Also doesn't explain why Quicksilver looks like a less buff Magneto or why Wanda looks like this mysterious Magda figure if her mother is actually Natalya. Or why Pietro powers dissapeared when Wanda said no more mutants or why sentinels targetted them. Theres too much evidence against this. Also them being outside the x men story made the world feel more interconnected and showed mutants have more options that just X-men.
One person's theory - It is propaganda. Given that the question of her lineage is still up in the air, Occam's Razor. It is easier to rally around Krakoa against someone who caused all mutants misery and still fear than to admit that one of their own would do that (House of M) to them.
I wouldn’t mind if she altered to be a mutant at birth however she wasn’t naturally born one. So this “pretender” comment can still make sense coz she ain’t natural a mutant and it can make the large amount of fans that probably want her to be a mutant. I like the idea tho that scarlet witch is lowkey embarrassed to be a mutant that’s why she begs it to the avengers so much which plays in2 why the mutant community dislikes her.
I am strongly in the camp of she is not a mutant. I think if her first and foremost as an avenger and a menace to the mutant cause. I don’t think she has been an xmen nor should she ever be an xmen
Her story starts off with her being on the brotherhood of mutants. By extension we have to include Pietro since they are twins. Theres so much evidence to support her being a mutant and Magneto's daughter
Yes she is a mutant just like quicksilver. The shit that was done to redo their origins is just like many other writers taking their liberties to f*ck up good characters. It was just some stupid shit due to marvel trying to kill xmen and mutants and ff because they were throwing a tantrum about not having the rights.
Nope, she's NOT a mutant. The Averagers can keep the witch. She never wanted to be a mutant. She only wanted to be a mutant when it fit her. When Rogue and Wanda was arguing @the grave of Professor X, she said that mutants were whinny children. She was not remorseful @ all. I just didn't like how they vilified Cyclops and the Mutants during AVX, When clearly the Averagers wouldn't listen to Rachel Grey about the Phoenix and then become the cause of the Phoenix 5. Then they bring in Wanda to save the day 😒😞. Whatever! Nope she ain't a Mutant. The Averagers can keep That Great Pretender. No thanks we don't want her nor need her. No pretenders allowed. 🤚🏾🚫⛔↩️🔙🛑🙅🏾♂️👎🏾✖️❌❎
A lot of mutants never wanted to be mutants. You can be magical and mutant. Her story been interconnected with Magneto for a long time and it makes no sense for her not to be a mutant or by extension Pietro
well one she meet a man name magneto he had powers like her so she may have bin a mutant the well the house of m now she is not but can you trust her it her power after all hell her brother my be dead from the start we just cant now with her.
Your first mistake is Calling out "Powers of TEN " when there is NO Ten, It power of X, second How can you blame the Scarlet witch but Not Quicksilver, Seem like the X-Men spend time dragging MUTANTS to go into Krakoa, Not providing them with Free Homes & Mule & some-Land , This is the trade off No-School dorms for living in the woods/Jungle of Krakoa Everybody who got invited should have a Mansion or a Castle set-up (if the Artist uses the white sheet Draw a Map of Krakoa and give Mutants a spot where there going be living, I'm sure Mr. Sinister would rather live in a Castle than a Cave, same goes with Apocalypse who would want a Pyramid Tomb Chamber While Characters like Psylocke gets a Dojo, This should tell you HICKMAN doesn't know the X-Men at all
Personally, I think she and her brother are mutants but that she used her powers to alter that. My headcanon is that they were both mutants until the AXIS event where Wanda cast a spell to essentially "cause pain" to those related to her. Quicksilver was physically hurt but physical pain means nothing to Magneto so the worst pain for him would be the emotional pain caused by finding out that the twins aren't his children. We've known for a while that sometimes Wanda's power don't work exactly the way she wants them to and even when they do she doesn't have complete control on what effects they have (An example would be if Wanda wanted to put out a fire, instead of just deleting the fire her powers may cause it to rain or burst a nearby water pipe). So when she cast the spell it shifted reality so that quicksilver and the scarlet witch were no longer related to Magneto (i.e mutants) but still had their powers (i.e. mutates).
Them originally being mutants would work with the fact that they use to register as mutants to x-gene detecting technology like sentinels (which I don't really get how High evolutionary could disguise them as mutants without them having an activated x-gene) and it would take into account the fact the Pietro lost his powers after M-DAY, which wouldn't make sense if he was just a mutate disguised as a mutant especially when Pietro started messing with Terrigen crystals to bring his and other mutants powers back. Thank you for coming to my 8 months late TED Talk
Excellent material for the re-retcon we know is coming.
Glad someone is addressing this. She definitely should be a mutant and I hate that she’s considered a “pretender.” As far as I’m concerned Magneto is the Master of Metal and Polaris, Quick Silver and Scarlet Witch are his mutant children.
Absolutely agree
Agreed this whole mutate thing was a corporate move by Disney, if she were still a mutant Fox could use her in their movies which they simply could not allow
I think the people who say "Magic powers aren't a mutant thing" forget that mutants have a LOT of connections to magic in the Marvel Universe. Like, X-calibur is series that revolves around that specifically.
The apprentice of the Sorceror Supreme is a mutant (Magik), the Demiurge is a mutant (Wiccan), Selene is both a mutant and a witch, Captain Britain's siblings are both mutants, etc. Hell, the X-men have an ACTUAL fairy/mutant hybrid amongst them (Pixie).
Even Apocalypse is a wizard now. Mutants are magic go together ALL the time.
My biggest issue is that this was changed for the films. It is frustrating and feels disrespectful to long time fans.
This is magic at play. Wanda and Quicksilver are definitely Magneto's children. Take also the fact that Quicksilver looks identical to Magneto. More so than Magneto's clone Joseph even!
I think they should still be Magneto kids and mutants.
1. Pietro literally looks like a less buff Magneto.
2. Sentinels have identified them as mutants.
3. When Zemo took Charles brain and made people hate mutants {they could even sense if a baby was a mutant or not} and they attacked her even Thor attacked her. The brain effect wasn't for people with powers {As no one attacked Captain America, Thor } it was specific for people with the X gene.
4. House of M, Pietro was de-powered when Wanda says "No more mutants'' why would he be de-powered if he isn't a mutant.
5. I liked that there was mutants outside x men comics and shows that mutants have more options other than X men or brotherhood.
6. Magneto is definitely the type to do DNA test just to make sure they are his actual children probably behind the scene before he announced himself as their father.
7. It also made the marvel comics feel more unified as in that its all in one world.
8. Also not making them Magneto kids erase all Magneto development as a fatherly figure and erases their Jewish heritage.
9. They were born with powers meaning they are mutants not mutate
Yes, Scarlett Witch & Quicksilver are mutants, the only reason they retconned this saying that the High Evolutionary gave them their powers was because Fox still had the rights to all the X-MEN & FF characters. Now that the Fox/Disney deal is complete & all characters are back, I'm willing to bet that they're gonna retcon that retcon & make them mutants & Magneto's true children again. It just makes more sense Fact is:
1) their mother, Magneto's wife took off after Magneto killed everyone responsible for Anya's death. She took off, & Magneto didn't know she was pregnant
2) she came across a house in the mountains where Bova took her in & delivered the twins
3) she took off in the snowstorm outta fear that he'd find her, presumably dying from exposure
3) Quicksilver was on X-Factor for years & an official member of the X-MEN in the AoA
4) When he married Crystal of the Inhumans they were both tested to find out why their daughter Luna was only human since she was of mutant/inhuman parentage(this was the same story where Magneto found out he was a grandfather & apologized for how he treated them & wanted to be in their lives aka the start of his hero turn part of the reason he turned good & took over the X-MEN for Xavier). Bottom line I agree w/you that they're gonna make both of them mutants again, because even if High Evolutionary did augment them, although I don't really think he did, so much as to talk shut to play head games w/ them, what, he made them a super speedster, & a reality warper? Yeah right
There’s no reason Wanda can’t be a Mutant and Sorceress. She could have her whole magic history from her Mom’s side and the Mutant from her dads (Magneto). Making her not a mutant just takes away from her character and her history. Wanda has always been kinda an outsider to the mutants so we could still have most her stories with her doing magic or chilling with the Avengers, but then also have her Mutant lineage. It could also explain why she’s so strong, the mixture of magic and mutant blood. I don’t think we really need to explain her strength, but it could be an interesting note. I also just think it’d be very cool to have her more involved in the current era of X-Men comics with them bringing in all Mutants.
I'm calling it now, High Evolutionary is gonna be revealed to be manipulating Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver and Magneto is gonna be revealed to be their father after all.
They retconned them from being mutants because of the avenger movies.
I love the Scarlet witch! One of the first superheros i remember reading about and her powers. It made me a fan so whimsical. I feel they should make her a magical mutant.
I think they are still the children of Magneto.
If it I was the writers I would have made Wanda a mutant before House of X and had her lose he mutant heritage with the now famous line “no more mutants”
Actually i like her better as an experiment with reality warping powers and magic or "Chaos Magic" because they always used her as a plot device and never had much to do with the x-men, she's an Avenger and always will be.
Her mystical lore involving Chthon is far deeper, richer, and more interesting than the mutant stuff which is generic and only really serves Magneto's narrative.
Chthon works far better as the evil father figure than Magneto because the conflict between them is over Chaos Magic itself, and Chthon poses a real threat to Wanda. Magneto is just a nuisance. Her rogues gallery (Chthon, Set, Lore, Master Pandemonium) are all mystical.
Her ties to Blade and Victoria Montessi deserve more focus, and she belongs in the Avengers.
@@Relugus I like the idea of her changing her own life after her "no more mutants," to stop being a mutant. That sounds ridiculous, but to change the nature of her powers as she was powerful enough to create life.
Her first comic run was with mutant conflicts. She's always been viewed as a mutant and even if she isn't as prominent as Scott or Logan she does have a few mutant centred storylines. Its less her and more Pietro who struggled heavily with the implication of his link to Magneto.
Also it makes no sense for them not to be Magneto's children or mutants also removes their jewish heritage.
I hope that she somehow is brought back into the mutant fold. With her powers it is not impossible that she herself wished herself not to be a mutant or the daughter of Magneto in a moment of anger (I'm not your daughter and never was!) and manipulated reality at that time. Wanda coud still be a witch but one with mutant powers along with supernatural powers that were inherited from an ancestor. I would like this because I think the family aspect of Wanda, Pietro, Magneto, Polaris and the rest made them all very unique and added to the Marvel lore in a positive way.
I think being a witch and mutant at once is perfectly possible, and she would hardly be the first mutant witch. Like, Selene, Magik and Pixie are mutant witches already (and Pixie is even a fairy hybrid).
I believe all of the previous continuity can be maintained with a very mild retcon. The twins newest history is that their mother was a Romani witch named Natalya Maximoff, and their father is unnamed. Now imagine that Natalya is also the Romani wife of Magneto, using the name Magda, looking to "retire" from the adventurous life that had been consuming her existence. When the house fire traps their daughter Anya, and Magnus unleashes his fury on the villagers, she flees, because this is exactly what she did not want. "Magda" goes to Wundagore, which Natalya is familiar with, and gives birth, before abandoning the twins, and fleeing again. Chthon made contact with Wanda due to the hereditary potential of the Scarlet Witch. This leaves so much story potential. Did "Magda" really die in the blizzard? Did Anya really die in the house fire? The High Evolutionary's claim of experimenting on them could be factual as well. His failure wasn't in giving them their abilities, but in ruining their development of those abilities, which is why the creation Luminous is more powerful than both twins. This would be in between attempting to give the twins to Robert Frank, and giving them to Django and Marya Maximoff, who were potentially their aunt and uncle, which would add credence to them naming their daughter Ana, and "Magda" naming her daughter Anya, and Django's talent for animating the dolls he made, making it his magic, and not inherent in the wood.
After House of M, Magneto, Quicksilver, and the Scarlet Witch appeared to be part of the group who had their X-Gene removed, but in reality, all Wanda did was suppress it. When Magneto and Quicksilver both attempted to regain their abilities, all they really did was unlock what was still there. Pietro's "new" abilities he gained from the exposure to the Terrigen crystals, were actually part of his original abilities before the High Evolutionary's tampering. This also leaves an opening to explore how Wanda's abilities would have progressed without his influence. The blood spell she cast in Axis didn't visibly affect her either. If you read how she worded the spell, it does not distinguish to exclude herself from the curse. My opinion is that Pietro bore the brunt of the changes the High Evolutionary made, and it made him more susceptible to her spell, which is why only he was visibly affected, but due to their tampered genes, actually affected them both, and had the side effect of hiding the X-Gene, like the original House of M spell, but allowing them to still access the abilities.
This is a whole lot of fan theory, but it is also the easiest solution to the twins convoluted past, and bring opportunity for a wealth of future stories.
Really enjoying your channel & podcast! Do you think that the MCU is currently in the House of M, but just haven’t introduced that to the publics eye just yet, and will that be the way they bring in the Mutants &/or X-Men???
This is a wild theory and I love it! I don't expect House of M specifically, but I *could* see a situation where the world was made to forget mutants, rather than their sudden emergence in the MCU. Sorta like Sentry but on a much bigger level. Either way, I'm confident the MCU will handle successfully!
I think wandas bloodline curse is what actually un-mutanted them. Her curse retconned them... thats my bet
This seems so silly considering it only became an issue around 2015 and only because Marvel wanted them for the MCU.
Okay okay, on second thought after resolving thinking about the evidence you laid out, it really would make sense that she is actually a sorceress who’s genes have been tampered with and isn’t a mutant. I will admit that her powers did always seem “outside the realm of Mutants.” Just like Storm has some dormant magical ability but still has her X gene that makes her Storm. So here’s my new theory: Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were abducted from their real parents by the High Evolutionary and experimented on. It made Quicksilver a Mutate and/or it awoken a dormant X gene (though it would make more sense if he is a Mutate and not a mutant). Scarlet Witch however had such powerful chaos magic inherited from her mother that it protected her from the experiments and she was left with her powers. The High Evolutionary in order to cover up his failure in his experiments, which he has a history of failing, convinced them that they are Mutants and that Magneto is their father, but no one truly knows. Any effort to find out who their true father is has been subconsciously manipulated by chaos magic depending on Scarlet Witch’s mental state at the time and who she WISHES her father was. We also find out that her unbalanced nature is the only effect that the High Evolutionary’s experiments had on her and people around her have been (often unknowingly) making her more and more mentally unstable her whole life by seeking to manipulate her. Including her own brother. However, due to her unwise use of chaos magic, which Dr. Strange said is not a thing but it actually is the one magic he knows nothing about because of its chaotic nature, Scarlet Witch could in theory warp reality so that she is a Mutant who creates probability manipulating fields which is a type of Realty Warping. So she’s the one charter that can in fact, be either Mutant or not depending on what she really wants for herself.
This is going to be my Head Canon and seems like a pretty solid way to deal with the issue. 🤷🏽♂️
Haha love this!! Excellent theory, now to wait for the next Scarlet Witch solo series to confirm!
Comic Book Herald thanks! I think it’s a great way to have it both ways and create a very interesting through-line for her as a charter.
Hey by the way scarlet witch is with STAR in the comics
I have never been able to discover who Polaris' mother is, or if she is older or younger than the twins. Can you shed any light on this in a future episode?
Polaris is younger then the twins she should be around the same age as Iceman who is a bit younger then the other original xmen as well
I prefer both Scarlet Witch and Quick Silver as mutants and as the children of Magneto.
Marvel only reconned the history of both Wanda and Pietro because Fox had the rights to the X-Men and mutants and Marvel had decided to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans (like that was ever going to happen).
It was even said that fox could have used scarlet Witch for there marvel universe
Scarlet Witch is not allowed on Krakoa.
G. William Cowart she accidentally cause m-day ok! At least we can all agree that thanos did indeed kill half the universe on purpose in 1991.
Was it not confirmed in the AXIS storyline that she was not Magnetos daughter and therefore was not a mutant ?
Technically but everyone feels like it was a stupid retcon. So ignore it, it is a stupid retcon that makes no sense
@@aerocaesire2552 Cannon is cannon whether we like it or not.
@@blacknyx19 Yh but if canon goes against previously established material that has strong evidence fans would tend to ignore it.
Its canon that Tony stark is adopted and Thor is Firehair's son but the fans still say he's Gaia's son and that Tony is Howards son.
If they change Xavier to not being mutant, would you accept it? I know I wouldn't.
@@aerocaesire2552 I wouldn’t care because its all fictional. But ok.
@@blacknyx19 If you dont care, you shouldn't care if fans choose to if ignore stupid retcons
Also I think they call her a pretender because for the x-men world she pretended to be a mutant, but in reality she didn't know that she wasn't a mutant until that retcon
Simple fix to return them as mutants is that the Magneto there not effected by the spell because he was a fake. Real one is locked away somewhere.
That is a clever idea but how would it explain the "fake" having og magneto power
If I'm not mistaken Moira herself was not a mutant in her first life. I suspect Sinister altered her DNA when she was a frail child. My point is that it isn't impossible for someone to have their dormant mutant genes awakened artificially, like Deadpool.
She and quicksilver who is a great character also should be mutants but scarlet witch being a witch and mutant with both abilities enhancing the other.❤
She was a mutant for her entire publication history until Ike Perlmutter ordered her not to be to spite Fox. So yeah, she's a mutant.
Couldn't the pretender statement mean that she is pretending not to be a mutant?
Oh that's interesting. I definitely read it as "she's been pretending to be one of us all this time," but I like the inverse!
@@Comicbookherald What if it was Agamotto was behind High Evolutionary putting out that Wanda was a mutant? Agamotto believed/feared that knowledge of Chaos Magic would make his uncle Chthon more powerful.
In Mighty Avengers, Chthon revealed that Agamotto and the sorcerers falsely claimed Chaos Magic did not exist.
I'm glad you brought that thought to the table.
it makes me sad that magneto isn't rquicksilver's dad.
I think the simplest, best way to fix this whole is mess is like this: Magneto and the original Scarlet Witch had a fling. They did the nasty and she got pregnant. And then, for one reason or another, she decides that they have to be apart. So she wipes his memory of her and the twins. Magneto is left with only vague, unprecise memories of the time, which explains why he didn't reconize Wanda's likeness earlier.
"Once upon a time, Magneto boned a witch, and that's how we got into this mess..."
Her solo book (2016) is clear. She is not a mutant, but a witch whose powers were amplified by the High Evolutionary.
I alway thought the experiment that Wanda and Pietro went through could be amalgamations all the other children that that the high evolutionary did like wiz kids, magus kids, and many more resulting in them as the perfected weapons
Making say they don’t really have any ‘Real’ parent and make the sense to all the recons in one front
She could be a genetic mutant who by means of her ill defined powers transcend to something else.
Are the goals of the High Evolutionary known? If yes, how do Wanda & Pietro factor into them? If no, what might be theorized from his manipulation of the twins?
Also, while Wanda was the focus of this piece, what additional information can be had from Pietro? For example, Terrigen Mist is supposed to kill mutants, yet it didn't kill Pietro nor his daughter.
I'm late on this but I'm just going to keep thinking they are both mutants. That's how Stan Lee and Jack Kirby originally created them to be.
Wanda didn't "wipe out" mutants. She got rid of their powers.
Yeah...which makes them no longer mutants. And that doesnt even factor in the mutants who die when their powers were taken away.
@@caitlinbrewer4843 Also those that would have been using their powers at the time, like if Angel was flying in the sky and his wings just dissapeared and he be falling to his death. {That was an example}
In Wanda Maximoff is a Mutant with her brother Pietro they were both born with there powers ; there father is Eric Lennsher aka Magneto .
People are mixing her comic origins with her M.C. U origins
Scarlet Witch
and Quicksilver are marvel legendary heroes. and that shouldn't be taken from her . .
Wanda is a beautiful chaos witch who got led astray by Marvel editorial
See the problem with Marvel "Editors & Writers" is they just up and change Characters origins, You can't make a normal Human into a half-breed (Cap-Marvel Carol Danvers) same goes with Mutants, Psylocke she can't be a Mutant if her twin Brother Brian "Cap-Britain isn't, we still don't know if Kwannon is or isn't a Mutants? They went and did this with Cloak & Dagger and few others , Here we are with Wanda - The Scarlet Witch the Pretender? what does that make Quicksilver? In this Marvel universe Zemo Power machine turned Wonder man into an Immortal, Next to Atlas & Count Nefaria, but he never use it on himself, If you give a normal Human Gamma-powers he's a HULK, giving pop claws, and Healing Factor that make you immortal, outside of selling your soul to the Devil and becoming a Ghost Rider, Apocalypse blood can change a Mutant into an immortal
I don’t think it matters a ton who her dad is. Human parents have mutant children throughout the Marvel universe. The Magneto connection and changing their status just feels more like a political thing done by Marvel when they didn’t have the rights. It’s not as important for Wanda but I feel like it matters that Pietro be a mutant.
SPOILER 📢 ⚠️ 🚨 I saw something in the preview for X-men #1, that ties into the whole Scarlet Witch questions. I won't straight up spoil it, but when it's noticed, you will know...😆 🤣
Why do the Avengers trust Immortus ether.
Wanda maximoff is the MUTANT daughter of magneto
Only resonance for the 2000's Recon happen the way it did, is do to Fox fall out with Disney/ Marvel and the rights for the movies. It pity but that the only way that can take back the rights from Fox. Let's Hope Hikman will Fix this problem they wright themselves into.
it doesn't bother me....I never viewed her as an xmen character at all so losing that background to me isn't going destory the character for me and its opens up the whole mystical and magical side of things even more....she is an avenger not really to relevant to the x side of things and after all that has happened I think its for the best....never was the biggest fans of the twins being mags kids either.....as long as he has polaris who imo fits better and is a true xmen character im good.
maybe not here, but defenetly Quicksilver. He has a much more developed relationship with the X-men that gets pretty hurt by this.
@@presidenttogekiss635 exactly I agree . For me scarlet Witch and magneto have connections to both
Wanda and Pietro started off as the brotherhood of mutsnts so were part of the X-men story but decided to have nothing to do with mutant vs human conflict. Which is relatable.
Also doesn't explain why Quicksilver looks like a less buff Magneto or why Wanda looks like this mysterious Magda figure if her mother is actually Natalya. Or why Pietro powers dissapeared when Wanda said no more mutants or why sentinels targetted them. Theres too much evidence against this.
Also them being outside the x men story made the world feel more interconnected and showed mutants have more options that just X-men.
Why is she and Quicksilver perceived as a mutant by the Sentinels? Wouldn't a DNA test resolve this?
One person's theory - It is propaganda. Given that the question of her lineage is still up in the air, Occam's Razor. It is easier to rally around Krakoa against someone who caused all mutants misery and still fear than to admit that one of their own would do that (House of M) to them.
I wouldn’t mind if she altered to be a mutant at birth however she wasn’t naturally born one. So this “pretender” comment can still make sense coz she ain’t natural a mutant and it can make the large amount of fans that probably want her to be a mutant. I like the idea tho that scarlet witch is lowkey embarrassed to be a mutant that’s why she begs it to the avengers so much which plays in2 why the mutant community dislikes her.
Pretender has other definitions
I am strongly in the camp of she is not a mutant. I think if her first and foremost as an avenger and a menace to the mutant cause. I don’t think she has been an xmen nor should she ever be an xmen
Her story starts off with her being on the brotherhood of mutants. By extension we have to include Pietro since they are twins.
Theres so much evidence to support her being a mutant and Magneto's daughter
Yes she is a mutant just like quicksilver. The shit that was done to redo their origins is just like many other writers taking their liberties to f*ck up good characters. It was just some stupid shit due to marvel trying to kill xmen and mutants and ff because they were throwing a tantrum about not having the rights.
Wow
Nope, she's NOT a mutant. The Averagers can keep the witch. She never wanted to be a mutant. She only wanted to be a mutant when it fit her. When Rogue and Wanda was arguing @the grave of Professor X, she said that mutants were whinny children. She was not remorseful @ all. I just didn't like how they vilified Cyclops and the Mutants during AVX, When clearly the Averagers wouldn't listen to Rachel Grey about the Phoenix and then become the cause of the Phoenix 5. Then they bring in Wanda to save the day 😒😞. Whatever! Nope she ain't a Mutant. The Averagers can keep That Great Pretender. No thanks we don't want her nor need her. No pretenders allowed. 🤚🏾🚫⛔↩️🔙🛑🙅🏾♂️👎🏾✖️❌❎
Agreed
You obviously forgotten that mutants have witch characters that are mutants
@@ccl7983 oh, I'm very aware. But Thank you for your comment
@@jdub7775 ok , have a good day !! 😃
A lot of mutants never wanted to be mutants. You can be magical and mutant. Her story been interconnected with Magneto for a long time and it makes no sense for her not to be a mutant or by extension Pietro
well one she meet a man name magneto he had powers like her so she may have bin a mutant the well the house of m now she is not but can you trust her it her power after all hell her brother my be dead from the start we just cant now with her.
If she's a mutant she's a boogie one, and had always turned her back on mutant kind.
Your first mistake is Calling out "Powers of TEN " when there is NO Ten, It power of X, second How can you blame the Scarlet witch but Not Quicksilver, Seem like the X-Men spend time dragging MUTANTS to go into Krakoa, Not providing them with Free Homes & Mule & some-Land , This is the trade off No-School dorms for living in the woods/Jungle of Krakoa Everybody who got invited should have a Mansion or a Castle set-up (if the Artist uses the white sheet Draw a Map of Krakoa and give Mutants a spot where there going be living, I'm sure Mr. Sinister would rather live in a Castle than a Cave, same goes with Apocalypse who would want a Pyramid Tomb Chamber While Characters like Psylocke gets a Dojo, This should tell you HICKMAN doesn't know the X-Men at all
Namor and Wanda should marry and produce more Antivillain offspring lol.
PS: i miss Rick Remender...
You're about the only one who I've seen say something good about him.
Caitlin Brewer his X-Force run was amazing