I purchased my P 228 in 1993. It's 30 years old this year and all original. I retired it and purchased a Sig P 229 in S&W 40 to use as my home defense firearm. As you said, the Sig is a great firearm.
Now,all the sauer pistols will be produced only in the usa,so it is like rolls-_royce produced in africa. You can use the most modern CNC,but you will never have a " german spirit in weapon production".
@@rickyjohnson9594 Yeah , like comparing a Mercedes to a Russian LADA , both will run forever but fixing will be more in a LADA !!! Trust me bro !!! Or a Rolex and a Casio...............or, LOL !!!
I like the Heinie Figure 8 Ball-on-Ball Sights you’ve got. I used to have the same, until I did the SIG upgrade and realized they’d replaced the sights as well. I absolutely shot better with the Heinie Sights and still have the parts; you should never replace yours! My P-228 is also West German-made. I did get a “wolf-barrel” plus a “metal guide rod,” to replace the original plastic one, and the added weight and durability is a great plus! The factory-installed SRT (“Short-reset Trigger”) is also superb! As impressive as the Walther PPQ’s trigger is, my Sig is the first firearm I bought and will always be my go-to solution for urban carry. Your trigger seems to be a DAO(“double-action only”), or more likely a Double-Action Kellerman. Mine is DA/SA, which is what I prefer for to SA in Condition 1, as much as I love the 1911’s and Browning Hi-Power models. I also have a lot of respect for the HK45 and how its gas system really sets it apart, but the P-228 would be my first choice among the Wonder 9’s: It is what I trained on and train with and have conditioned myself to, in terms of grip angle, bore axis and trigger control. Take care of your P-228 and don’t ever sell it! The new M-11 is actually a P-229 in 9mm, if I recall, so they just don’t make it like the way they used to!
Awesome video. My father had one of these as his service firearm when he was a policeman. It has W. Germany stamped on it. Still works great. I just need to replace the night sites. Glad you got some higher capacity magazines. Brady bill lol.
My very first handgun I bought is my Sig 228 I got in December 1993. It is one of the few handguns I own that I am sure that I will own for a looong time.
I ordered a K-Kote w/ Sig Tritium inserts back in 99 - had the same 10 round mags. I was able to track down Sig 13 round mags but they were pricey. After the purchase, I ordered walnut grips, but later replaced them with the Crimson Trace grips. If I recall, the FBI was issuing the 228 at that time. My favorite range pistol by far. Thanks for the video.
My favorite in my collection as well. It goes with me just about everywhere. No others I own are built like it. Mine is a triple serial, 1996 German manufactured. Looks to be in the exact same condition as yours. Have the german test target as well. I traded a p225A1 for it a couple years ago. Guy gave me 5-13rd mags with it. I also picked up a couple of the mec-gar 15 rd. Best trade I've made to date and I will never let it go.
Came across your video just now. I have a 226 and 228 that I purchased in 1986 in Burbank, CA. Both are made in West Germany. The 228 only has around 300 rounds through it, so it is like new. The 226 maybe has 500 rounds through it. I have the original receipts. Great history and I love them. My 228 has original 13 round magazines, the 226 is 15 rounds.
I picked up an Astra A100 recently. They're made by Spain for the state police force. They are identical to the P228 in almost every way, the take down lever and the notch in the slide are both on the right side. Also it has a slightly more pronounced beaver tail and the hammer tang is shaped a bit different. But, it uses P228 "E2" 15-rd magazines and I'd be willing to bet some of the internals as well. Maybe a bit of fitting would need to be done, but you get the idea. I payed $300 for it. It's nickle plated with black plastic grips. And it's heavy. I believe the frame is stainless steel. They were made from 1990 - 2006. Mine is a 2005 and I don't think it ever went into service. It's as new as new can be. The fella I bought it from didn't know it was a P228 clone and didn't know about the magazine compatibility. So Yay for me! Anyway, thanks for the video.
Tengo una P 228 w. Germany. Somos varios amigos los que logramos conseguir 3 en perfectas condiciones, que estuvieron en manos de gente muy cuidadosa con sus armas. Me costó acostumbrarme a la corredera alta, pero es solo una sensación distinta por usar por muchos años armas Glock. Es para mí una mejor sensación portar armas con martillo, ya que puedo llevarlas sin pistolera y usarlas en distintos lugares de mi cintura acorde a mis tareas o vestimenta de ese momento. Simplemente una fascinante pistola para mí trabajo diario...✌️
I bought one exactly like yours. A friend in the Secret Service was issued a 228. Another friend, a New Castle County police men showed me his saying that it was state of the art. Enough for me. I purchased mine right after the newer one with the billet slide came out. (Senior moment , 238 maybe). I only paid $500 for it. I guess the salesman thought that it was obsolete. 😂. I also have a 239. Nice gun but top heavy compared to the 228. Nice tip on the Magur mags. I have 4 originals though. Bought 2 extra when the senile senator from California was trying to ban “high capacity magazines”. She’s finally on her way to the old age home now.
The other day I got the oldest pistol out of my gun safe too. it's a colt made in 1860 model 1849 pocket pistol and 32 caliber. it's been fired probably 10,000 rounds and it's completely worn out
nice gun review thanks I just traded my fairly new G43 for a very good condition German made p228 it only came with 1 10 rnd mag and pouch, no case but the guy gave me and additional $80 to be able to buy some extra mags and or a case for it lol. check cheaper than dirt has good prices, if anybody looking for brand new mags for this gun.
yes sir the person I traded with was using a full size revolver and wearing basketball shorts at the time and said to me I just really need something lighter to carry lol well this G43 will defiantly solve that for you. also those 15rnd flush mags from cheaper than dirt work flawlessly with the p228.
Very cool. I want one of these. Even the plastic cases look like they are better made. ; ) Just curious, do you feel that this technology is dated in view of the progress in the polymer 9mm's out there like the Glock and Walther PPQ and similar?
Technology on this gun is state of the art, even today. When Sig came out with the P220, they invented the modified-Browning action. During the era, many guns (1911, CZ75, BHP) used a traditional Browning lockup with locking lugs in the slide and a non-tilting barrel. Sig decided they could improve on this for 2 reasons: ease of manufacturing and ease of diassembly. Most handguns specifically Glock, Sig, FN, and some HK use the same lockup pioneered with the P220 and is not common today. As far as quality, this gun was among the best. Some people may be turned off by the DA/SA but that is like saying someone who drives an auto cannot drive a manual well. It all depends on the person and training. Metal-framed does soak up recoil better that a poly gun though. This gun is just a Swiss watch.
Very nice video,... Thanks. Just bought one but have not received delivery yet... Mine is a 1998 also made in germany. Any difference between these and the w. German models? Also where did you get the met gar additional mags?.... Fhanks.
I also have a P228 and it came in a Gray Cardboard box Original Owner..... Bought in 7/1990 serial number116XXX . All documentation etc Target etc. Why the Difference in Boxes? This has Never NEVER ! fail to fire. Comments Called Sig Suggested use if you like,.... Said.... suggest not use valuable Gun.... I got mine 1990 Paid $ 6 30.00 Made in West Germany and Complete matching serial numbers....Also have a 229. I LOVE SIGS. Mine228 says Made in W Germany.Also grip screws not original. Suggest Not changing anything on the Firearm....Valuable gun.Contact Sig Sauer for advice.
The P228 shown is in fact German made and assembled. It has the German proof marks on the frame and slide from what I noticed. It was manufactured in 1997. I didn't notice if it had the proof marks on the barrel. These are still valuable on the used market because they are considered true made in Germany pistols. But the ones that say Made in West Germany are more desirable (cost more). Check these pages for reference sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/7320040262 and www.realgunreviews.com/is-my-made-in-germany-or-west-germany-sig-really-german/
dunebuggysand oreos I have no idea WHY, but they don't. One reason could be their transition to American manufacturing. It's long been known that German-made Sig pistols are "better" than their American-made counterparts, which is why the German Sigs generally have higher resale value. Also could be the volume they do now. Sig has grown a lot since when this pistol was made and perhaps QC has slipped a little thru the process. In any case no one can really deny the fact that modern Sig guns simply aren't built as well as they used to be.
Hola desde Argentina....quiero saber si esta pistola alimenta bien las puntas huecas como las Hornady Critical Duty FlexLock de 135gr (JHP) u otras puntas huecas como las Federal JHP. Gracias...
I've been wanting a P228 or 229 for the longest time now, But now it seems like you can only get the 228 that is stamped M11-A1 on the slide and I believe those are no less than like $900 and that is on the low side. Would you recommend just getting a P229 NOT the Legion, or is the 228 very different? I would prefer the older, exact one you have but cannot find it ANYWHERE!! @sgav8r Great video by the way, Only makes me want one that much more lol.
Glock19 9mm Check out Armslist.com they have more than a few on there, the old school model. Just stay away from the crazy priced ones, they are rare but I wouldn’t pay $800-$1000 for one. I just bought another P228 yesterday for $480. Just be patient and wait until you come across a deal.
I almost sold mine with 3 13 round mags for 300 when I retired last year . I am glad I didn’t sell . Maybe you can buy one from a retiring officer for a good price.
Well it's a little bit different. They're technically isn't a u.s. made p228. There is a u.s. P229 or USM 11 a one. The main differences between the US version and the West German version are the external extractor on the first, and the fact that the US version uses a one piece, machined stainless steel slide. The old German versions have a carbon steel slide, with append in stainless steel breech block. Those guns probably have legendary craftsmanship, and might even have better triggers and so on, but due to simple Material Science, the one piece slides are stronger and more durable, especially if you're going to be shooting lots of + P or +P+ loads.
West Germany proffed 228 is best made quality 9 on the planet. Swiss to tone police model or rare to you wount but any other to beat the w Germany sig s us sigs no way the quality
I purchased my P 228 in 1993. It's 30 years old this year and all original. I retired it and purchased a Sig P 229 in S&W 40 to use as my home defense firearm. As you said, the Sig is a great firearm.
German steel, metallurgy, machining, is one of the best in the world, always has been it being German made definitely adds value
Now,all the sauer pistols will be produced only in the usa,so it is like rolls-_royce produced in africa. You can use the most modern CNC,but you will never have a " german spirit in weapon production".
West German proofed Prue quality best ever made runs lk a ak47 a top oil it it last life time
@@rickyjohnson9594 Yeah , like comparing a Mercedes to a Russian LADA , both will run forever but fixing will be more in a LADA !!! Trust me bro !!! Or a Rolex and a Casio...............or, LOL !!!
German made Sig-Sauer pistols are the best! The P228 is awesome!
I like the Heinie Figure 8 Ball-on-Ball Sights you’ve got. I used to have the same, until I did the SIG upgrade and realized they’d replaced the sights as well.
I absolutely shot better with the Heinie Sights and still have the parts; you should never replace yours!
My P-228 is also West German-made. I did get a “wolf-barrel” plus a “metal guide rod,” to replace the original plastic one, and the added weight and durability is a great plus!
The factory-installed SRT (“Short-reset Trigger”) is also superb! As impressive as the Walther PPQ’s trigger is, my Sig is the first firearm I bought and will always be my go-to solution for urban carry.
Your trigger seems to be a DAO(“double-action only”), or more likely a Double-Action Kellerman.
Mine is DA/SA, which is what I prefer for to SA in Condition 1, as much as I love the 1911’s and Browning Hi-Power models.
I also have a lot of respect for the HK45 and how its gas system really sets it apart, but the P-228 would be my first choice among the Wonder 9’s: It is what I trained on and train with and have conditioned myself to, in terms of grip angle, bore axis and trigger control.
Take care of your P-228 and don’t ever sell it! The new M-11 is actually a P-229 in 9mm, if I recall, so they just don’t make it like the way they used to!
In my opinion this gun is still the best made handgun, fit, finish, quality and reliability.
Awesome video. My father had one of these as his service firearm when he was a policeman. It has W. Germany stamped on it. Still works great. I just need to replace the night sites. Glad you got some higher capacity magazines. Brady bill lol.
Gotta say it, especially after a BMW and this pistol; " who says they aren't the master race?" Clearly, the best engineers.
Yes they are
I bought mine in 1991 in Richmond VA for 530.00 I still have it.
My very first handgun I bought is my Sig 228 I got in December 1993. It is one of the few handguns I own that I am sure that I will own for a looong time.
Love mine. P226 is best balanced but I needed a compact; bought with overtime from the LA riots, thanks Rodney King.
Chris Newport fuck you
The best. THE best. The king. The undefeated. 228 and 226 German, there is nothing better.
I ordered a K-Kote w/ Sig Tritium inserts back in 99 - had the same 10 round mags. I was able to track down Sig 13 round mags but they were pricey. After the purchase, I ordered walnut grips, but later replaced them with the Crimson Trace grips. If I recall, the FBI was issuing the 228 at that time. My favorite range pistol by far. Thanks for the video.
my P228 is 30 yrs old, i throated the barrel and polished all internal parts, never had a misfire
My favorite in my collection as well. It goes with me just about everywhere. No others I own are built like it. Mine is a triple serial, 1996 German manufactured. Looks to be in the exact same condition as yours. Have the german test target as well. I traded a p225A1 for it a couple years ago. Guy gave me 5-13rd mags with it. I also picked up a couple of the mec-gar 15 rd. Best trade I've made to date and I will never let it go.
Came across your video just now. I have a 226 and 228 that I purchased in 1986 in Burbank, CA. Both are made in West Germany. The 228 only has around 300 rounds through it, so it is like new. The 226 maybe has 500 rounds through it. I have the original receipts. Great history and I love them. My 228 has original 13 round magazines, the 226 is 15 rounds.
I picked up an Astra A100 recently. They're made by Spain for the state police force. They are identical to the P228 in almost every way, the take down lever and the notch in the slide are both on the right side. Also it has a slightly more pronounced beaver tail and the hammer tang is shaped a bit different. But, it uses P228 "E2" 15-rd magazines and I'd be willing to bet some of the internals as well. Maybe a bit of fitting would need to be done, but you get the idea. I payed $300 for it. It's nickle plated with black plastic grips. And it's heavy. I believe the frame is stainless steel. They were made from 1990 - 2006. Mine is a 2005 and I don't think it ever went into service. It's as new as new can be. The fella I bought it from didn't know it was a P228 clone and didn't know about the magazine compatibility. So Yay for me! Anyway, thanks for the video.
I bought one like his from money earned in LA riots. Took it to the Gunsite #250; I now call it beloved.
Tengo una P 228 w. Germany.
Somos varios amigos los que logramos conseguir 3 en perfectas condiciones, que estuvieron en manos de gente muy cuidadosa con sus armas.
Me costó acostumbrarme a la corredera alta, pero es solo una sensación distinta por usar por muchos años armas Glock.
Es para mí una mejor sensación portar armas con martillo, ya que puedo llevarlas sin pistolera y usarlas en distintos lugares de mi cintura acorde a mis tareas o vestimenta de ese momento.
Simplemente una fascinante pistola para mí trabajo diario...✌️
It was also featured quite a lot in the X-Files, and being director Skinner's gun too.
I bought one exactly like yours. A friend in the Secret Service was issued a 228. Another friend, a New Castle County police men showed me his saying that it was state of the art. Enough for me. I purchased mine right after the newer one with the billet slide came out. (Senior moment , 238 maybe). I only paid $500 for it. I guess the salesman thought that it was obsolete. 😂. I also have a 239. Nice gun but top heavy compared to the 228. Nice tip on the Magur mags. I have 4 originals though. Bought 2 extra when the senile senator from California was trying to ban “high capacity magazines”. She’s finally on her way to the old age home now.
Thanks. Informative video. I purchased this one in the mid 90s. Still a great firearm.
Bought mine in 1996. Zero malfunctions.
Have one. Wish I had another!
A real classic beauty.
Love mine, bought it with the overtime from the last LA riot. Took essentially unfired to the Gunsite #250, it sang.
I just traded for one. Already my favorite carry gun. Don’t think I would part with it.
The other day I got the oldest pistol out of my gun safe too. it's a colt made in 1860 model 1849 pocket pistol and 32 caliber. it's been fired probably 10,000 rounds and it's completely worn out
Dana Scully in the X-Files carried one
I carried an m11 when I was a Master at Arms in the Navy on a Nuclear Submarine base in the early 2000s
Nice video. Have had mine since 1994
I have a 228. I love it
nice gun review thanks I just traded my fairly new G43 for a very good condition German made p228 it only came with 1 10 rnd mag and pouch, no case but the guy gave me and additional $80 to be able to buy some extra mags and or a case for it lol. check cheaper than dirt has good prices, if anybody looking for brand new mags for this gun.
Christian mcsharry Wow! You traded a G43 for a German made Sig 228 plus some cash on top of it!? Dang that was a great deal (for you)!
yes sir the person I traded with was using a full size revolver and wearing basketball shorts at the time and said to me I just really need something lighter to carry lol well this G43 will defiantly solve that for you. also those 15rnd flush mags from cheaper than dirt work flawlessly with the p228.
Best gun I own!
Service pistol of german police forces (actually P225 but design is the same) until the introduction of the Walter P99 in 2010.
Could it be said, based on the comments I have been reading, that the slides last between 25,000 and 30,000 shots?
Very cool. I want one of these. Even the plastic cases look like they are better made. ; ) Just curious, do you feel that this technology is dated in view of the progress in the polymer 9mm's out there like the Glock and Walther PPQ and similar?
Technology on this gun is state of the art, even today. When Sig came out with the P220, they invented the modified-Browning action. During the era, many guns (1911, CZ75, BHP) used a traditional Browning lockup with locking lugs in the slide and a non-tilting barrel. Sig decided they could improve on this for 2 reasons: ease of manufacturing and ease of diassembly. Most handguns specifically Glock, Sig, FN, and some HK use the same lockup pioneered with the P220 and is not common today. As far as quality, this gun was among the best. Some people may be turned off by the DA/SA but that is like saying someone who drives an auto cannot drive a manual well. It all depends on the person and training. Metal-framed does soak up recoil better that a poly gun though. This gun is just a Swiss watch.
Very nice video,... Thanks. Just bought one but have not received delivery yet... Mine is a 1998 also made in germany. Any difference between these and the w. German models? Also where did you get the met gar additional mags?.... Fhanks.
i got one. its staying with me.
Does it have a saftey
I like that!
My guns are staying with me too! 👉💥
@@brendencefalo8405 no safety. Just a decocker lever....it's a double to single action with a hammer....really don't need a safety
Looks like the original recoil spring.
I also have a P228 and it came in a Gray Cardboard box Original Owner..... Bought in 7/1990 serial number116XXX . All documentation etc Target etc. Why the Difference in Boxes? This has Never NEVER ! fail to fire. Comments Called Sig Suggested use if you like,.... Said.... suggest not use valuable Gun.... I got mine 1990 Paid $ 6 30.00 Made in West Germany and Complete matching serial numbers....Also have a 229. I LOVE SIGS. Mine228 says Made in W Germany.Also grip screws not original. Suggest Not changing anything on the Firearm....Valuable gun.Contact Sig Sauer for advice.
The P228 shown is in fact German made and assembled. It has the German proof marks on the frame and slide from what I noticed. It was manufactured in 1997. I didn't notice if it had the proof marks on the barrel. These are still valuable on the used market because they are considered true made in Germany pistols. But the ones that say Made in West Germany are more desirable (cost more). Check these pages for reference sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/7320040262 and www.realgunreviews.com/is-my-made-in-germany-or-west-germany-sig-really-german/
The cops in california have that pistol
Lol u bought that a day before i was born
Great Gun, great video
My dad has one too he love it
bella phone Your dad has great taste! They're really great pistols. Sig just doesn't make them like this anymore (imo).
sgav8r why is that?
dunebuggysand oreos I have no idea WHY, but they don't. One reason could be their transition to American manufacturing. It's long been known that German-made Sig pistols are "better" than their American-made counterparts, which is why the German Sigs generally have higher resale value. Also could be the volume they do now. Sig has grown a lot since when this pistol was made and perhaps QC has slipped a little thru the process. In any case no one can really deny the fact that modern Sig guns simply aren't built as well as they used to be.
What is the double action pull?
Hola desde Argentina....quiero saber si esta pistola alimenta bien las puntas huecas como las Hornady Critical Duty FlexLock de 135gr (JHP) u otras puntas huecas como las Federal JHP.
Gracias...
Do you still have this p228 ?
Qulflanadimi qulflanganini koʻrmadim
I've been wanting a P228 or 229 for the longest time now, But now it seems like you can only get the 228 that is stamped M11-A1 on the slide and I believe those are no less than like $900 and that is on the low side. Would you recommend just getting a P229 NOT the Legion, or is the 228 very different? I would prefer the older, exact one you have but cannot find it ANYWHERE!! @sgav8r Great video by the way, Only makes me want one that much more lol.
Glock19 9mm
Check out Armslist.com they have more than a few on there, the old school model.
Just stay away from the crazy priced ones, they are rare but I wouldn’t pay $800-$1000 for one. I just bought another P228 yesterday for $480. Just be patient and wait until you come across a deal.
I almost sold mine with 3 13 round mags for 300 when I retired last year . I am glad I didn’t sell . Maybe you can buy one from a retiring officer for a good price.
veerod 012
That is dirt cheap! Even if it had a lot of holster wear, that’s practically giving it away at that price.
Can you explain how the safety works on it?
There’s no safety. Only a decock lever.
Wait Boise are you a fellow Idahoan
I got one of them and I’m only 16 the screws are kinda rusted
W. Germany?
Harga unit brp
Do they made left hand for P228 ? also looking for gun made by all steel from Germany. Thank's
They never made a left I know if the mag release flips to left rear controls are easy with some practice
Pretty sure secret service use 229 close tho same
Thing really
is this better than 228 usa made why can u explain
Well it's a little bit different. They're technically isn't a u.s. made p228. There is a u.s. P229 or USM 11 a one. The main differences between the US version and the West German version are the external extractor on the first, and the fact that the US version uses a one piece, machined stainless steel slide. The old German versions have a carbon steel slide, with append in stainless steel breech block. Those guns probably have legendary craftsmanship, and might even have better triggers and so on, but due to simple Material Science, the one piece slides are stronger and more durable, especially if you're going to be shooting lots of + P or +P+ loads.
@Damon christopher I would play it safe with these and just shoot regular ammo. Its not like they still make them.
Great Pistol, Mine says Mad I West Germany....... Love it and will take it to the grave in case I go south and need to fight to get to north.....L O L
West Germany proffed 228 is best made quality 9 on the planet. Swiss to tone police model or rare to you wount but any other to beat the w Germany sig s us sigs no way the quality