Ladies, please let’s not forget that Mrs Onasis had her own extramarital affairs whilst being Mrs Kennedy. The most famous of which is the one with Gianni Agnielli. And of course she literally stole partner of her own sister. Lee Radzwill was dating Onasis for several years and it is through her Jacqueline got to know him. In my eyes she was as amoral as JFK the only difference being she had better PR.
Agnelli. ❤ The most elegant man but a bit of a cad. Rumoured to be JFK juniors real father. Check out Ginevra Agnelli Elkann and her children’s resemblance. Interesting.
I don't normally justify infidelity, but can you really blame Jackie for having extramarital affairs when Jack was probably parking his car into several garages right at the start of their marriage.
@@judyperri9496 I’m not sure if elegance has anything to do with coming from wealth. I can name a handful of people who are pretty wealthy but far from elegant
Perfectly done video. I completely agree. Jackie Kennedy was the best she could be and she handled it very well and with pure elegance. Marilyn dreams of being the First Lady was a PURE joke because back then you had to be groomed to be First Lady and a woman being a fling to a First Lady couldn’t happen. Even when Prince Charles Married Camilla the Queen was UTTERLY upset. Monroe was DREAMING and I think that’s why Jackie felt bad for her. I also will say this too,Marilyn was very much trouble and she even had a reputation in Hollywood. Her story is very sad and tbh,no woman would want to be her,they would want her looks. As women we often think because a man admires and is mesmerized by a woman’s looks that should equate to love or safety but Marilyn was not respected by men AT ALL. She was a Sex symbol and for women,too many times,that dehumanizes you. Jackie Kennedy understood that and that’s why she felt for Marilyn. They often said how the Kennedy Brothers would trash talk Marilyn. Was Jackie getting cheated on acceptable? Nope. Also it is questionable that Kennedy loved Jackie. Nonetheless,Jackie didn’t tie her worth to a man and she had the grit to get through that marriage. Marilyn Monroe was so smart and intelligent but she couldn’t overcome her brokenness. I would even say men’s admiration for her beauty was one of the few times she felt seen or “Loved”. That’s why you should never triangulate yourself against another woman and act out of character. Keep your poise and maintain your position. ❤️ This video is so well done. You won a subscriber.
Hit the nail!!!!! Defiantly hit the nail with this comment! And you defiantly hit the nail again when you said “no women would want to be her speaking of Marylin Monroe” and if they want to be her it would be for her looks only and the some of the fame!!!! There you go! Now I don’t mean to bring race into this situation either. But I’ve felt for a long time now that Marylin Monroe didn’t alone just have pretty privilege. But she also was possibly put on a pedestal by men because she was “white”. I sometimes get the feeling. I wonder if Marylin had been black or let’s say even mixed. Would she still get praised as much today and or would men even look her way? Pretty privilege or not for Marylin if she was black🤷♀️. I guess…
Agreed! Although I wasn't born at this time, my parents were in their 20s and 30s and discussed the scandal with us when we questioned why JFK's picture was the only picture of an American President hanging up in our home. Sadly, infidelity happens; AND it happens with great frequency for men in powerful positions. Not much has changed by way of requirements expected of persons who ding to hold the Office of President of The United States of America. While beauty will bring one many worshippers, I am afraid it's not all one will need to get and retain a man such as the President of the United States. There's simply too many other factors on the line.
Jackie's mom like so many humans, was living vicariously through her daughters, Jackie and her sister. Bet, when Jack was taken from her through death, she learned what true elegance is really all about:. "#1, FIRST AND ALWAYS, YOURSELF"!!
@@gracenurse3365 And she latched on to billionaire Onassis as soon as possible. I remember thinking he was soooo UGLY. Now I realize how it worked back then. (I don’t think I could stomach having him touch me. So much for marrying for money.🤷🏼♀)
I love your analysis...such a beautiful way of portraying the whole story without seeming biased or cancelling someone. You are so matured in your thinking, and elegant.
Yes, it's true that,we need knowledge in all the areas of our life,just beauty is not enough.Dear,thank you so much for the valuable information. God bless you. 👍😊
Your channel is so refreshing! We need more inspiration on elegance in society, it’s quickly fading out in the US and I currently live here and it’s sad to watch women slip further and further into degeneracy than stepping into their true elegant form!
I learned from my mother that she thought about her, Jackie, when she named me. That's where I got my first name! And I love it! She was a very classy and elegant lady.
MM inherited Bipolar, and Schizophrenia. Moreover, she had a terrible upbringing. She seemed help, but it was difficult for her to overcome everything she dealt and lived with. Moreover, there is evidence she was killed by Bobby and her psychiatrist not an overdose. Jackie, didn't go through even half of that ish. And, she ended up on pills as well.
Marilyn was a flop at holding a marriage. She must be held accountable for her actions as a trying to break up a marriage & family for her own selfish ambition. She would have never been successful as first lady anyway. She believed her beauty, fame & sex would get her the white house. After all Marilyn had always gotten every man she set her sights on. She lost out. She was by then an aging movie queen. She was out of her element.
@@katerinaikalina No. Yes, The man should say no, and JFK is more to blame than Marilyn, but she should have had the decency to deny him, she knew he was married and should have respected Jackie enough to turn JFK down.
Yes let me get my coffee please!!! A confident woman who knows her worth is everything and in my view also defines ELEGANCE!! Absolutely love your channel 💕💜💕
Same. I am chill and even unfortunately a bit passive to the point of meekness and hate confrontation. But I can go from 0 to 11 under the right provocation and someone having the cheek to call me up on my house phone to taunt me...🚑🚓
She didn’t even call a random house she done called the “ white house” just to say something she imagined and though would happen. Lmaoo gurl bye 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This story reminded me of this popular novel/webtoon called 'The Remarried Empress'. The female protagonist (the Empress) in the story knew her worth and always acted with class and sophistication. Then there's also this mistress who wanted so much attention from the emperor and also wanted to become the next empress. The mistress' ambition and upbringing in this story somehow resembled what you said about Monroe in this video. lol Great content as always! The color of your outfit looked good on you, too!
I think both women were elegant. Not defending cheating but Marylin was born in Hollywood to a working mother, had a ruff life as a child. She was basically an orphan and grew up in foster care off and on. She was also taken advantage of by men. Her father rejected her. Jackie and JFK both came from wealthy families. Jackie was born in the Hamptons to a stockbroker and stay at home mom. Jackie attended college and studied abroad. Marylin was an avid reader and very intelligent. I think Marylin was elegant she just didn’t know her place and was a bit of a lost soul. Ultimately I think she was looking for a father figure and validation from men which was her downfall
she was assisnated because of the affair .she was a better person than jackie but we can learn from marilyn mistakes to keep our affairs with married men private and dress as a married woman not a sex symbol . marilyn will always have a soft spot in my heart
You do know Jackie was incredibly racist, while Marilyn acted as a true ally to Black Americans during the Civil Rights Movement right? That completely discredits any “elegance” she possessed.
This is the first time i am hearing about this since she never spoke in public or conducted an interview with anyone, let alone anyone claiming racism about her. I remember reading her wedding dress was designed by Ann Lowe, a widely regarded AA, talented, barrier-breaking designer, who worked on dresses for some of the country's most wealthiest at the time. But I do love Marilyn Monroe integrity and allyship with Black actors and performers.
@@SM7SM7SM7 I never said nor implied they meant the same thing. I’m simply exposing a character flaw that discredits any elegance she exuded born solely from public perception.
I'm going to defend Marilyn Monroe here. She didn't have the advantages that Jackie Kennedy had. Marilyn Monroe had a 163 IQ, read all the time, wrote poetry, and once a wife of someone in the business took her under her wing, and showed her kindness, and how to be elegant, she actually thrived. Now all that about Marilyn Monroe calling is it fact or fiction? There have been so many rumors about Jackie, John, and Marilyn, that it's hard to keep them straight. Marilyn Monroe constantly needed someone to prove that they loved her, because she never had that growing up, and Hollywood took full advantage of her. Jackie had the advantages, and knew how to play the game. She married into American Royalty, and the Kennedy men were known for infidelity, and if you married one, you had to accept that, that came with the package. Don't ever be fooled that a married man is going to leave his wife, especially a well off married man. Marilyn Monroe was just insecure, and if an affair did happen, we didn't know what was being told to her, to make her think that he would leave Jackie. As far as Jackie being racist, another rumor spread, both of these women couldn't win,because of rumors, and could have bonded over that. Once people hear a rumor, they automatically think that they know all about a person, and they really don't know anything.
I agree that she was at a more disadvantaged position but that doesn’t give her a right to behave in this way. The lesson in this is, if you know your position, you don’t need to fight half the time.
@@SM7SM7SM7 She was taught that what she was doing would get her the love that she so desperately seeked. People who knew her, and were her true,blue friends knew that about her, like the actress Shelly Winters, who she was roommates with for awhile. She said that Marilyn Monroe was like a big kid, always looking for love, and she hated to be alone, and to be left alone, she would even follow Shelly Winters to the bathroom, so she wouldn't be alone. Then here comes Hollywood, and tells her to be a sex symbol, and the people will love her. Joe Dimaggio honestly loved her, but he didn't go about it the right way. If he beat her or not, is again, rumors, but he wanted to save her from Hollywood, and protect her, and she really loved him, but they just didn't work it out. She then married that horrible Arthur Miller who was cruel to her, and wrote a movie, that was suppose to be about her, but it made fun of her, and she saved his career when they were calling him a communist! She was used, and abused, and when she tried to be a serious actress, Hollywood laughed, but before her death, she was starting her own production company, and that's been proven, and it's been proven that she was going to get into directing too. She also went and raised hell, when she found out that Elizabeth Taylor made a fortune on Cleopatra, but she was getting scraps. She had no one to look out for her, except for when Joe Dimaggio came into her life, but he didn't know Hollywood, or cared to get to know it. She needed someone tough, that had her back always, and would tell people to back off and leave her alone. Tell people that they were not going to give her another pill to sleep, or wake up, or another script where she's the dumb blonde, let her have a serious role, and see how she does. She thought she was doing what was expected of her, because that's what she had been told. No one ever told her anything any different.
@Peggy Gilespie Ir comes from people who knew her, and she was tested. Some of today's stars actually do have very high IQs, like Geena Davis was in MENSA, and Sharon Stone took advanced classes before she went to college, if she did. Some celebrities don't have flies on their brain, they just act like it. LOL 😆
@@Hehe-qh8pd She was that smart, and Marilyn was classy, but she did what she thought was expected of her, because she was so desperate for someone to love her. Jackie was a classy woman too, and people loved her, but she had the advantages that Marilyn Monroe never had.
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It's so sad that discussions like this are not everywhere and I'm so glad you're taking the extra time to do this. I love you and agree with many things you say on this channel. I'm very glad you're teaching attraction rather than seduction, ladies really need to be aware of this so they can chase the right image and become the best version of themselves. Thanks again! I love your work and vibe! Thanks big Sis🥰
Thank you for breaking this down. Marilyn is no role model and I cannot understand why many are influenced by her, time and time again we see the consequences of that kind of lifestyle wether a celeb or in real life. At the end of the day we all have consequences for our actions. Jackie was the better role model and someone to look up to. Marilyn was very troubled and promiscuous and look were her life ended up. Jackie was the innocent one in this situation. Jackie husband and Marilyn both were the adulterous and their always consequences for that kind of behavior. Jackie ended up always being respected by both men and women. Following the lifestyle of Marilyn will always lead to great life changing consequences. Same for promiscuous men.
Hey Vivian I like the way you speak. You are an elegant woman. Exactly we the women require wisdom to lead a life of elegance. And wisdom comes from the Lord alone. Hence, pray and practice.
It’s annoying that people idolize Marilyn; she slept with married men and was a terrible actress since she would show up late to sets making everyone else wait. They just like her because of her looks.
Well it takes 2 to tangle those married Mens loved her more than there wives if they were so in love with them why cheat she has more class to divorce him smh for some reason they had him.assassinated
Hi Vivienne, yesterday I had so much time for myself. I decided to go out and do window shopping, before leaving I challenged my wardrobe and applied most of the tips you gave in your channels. All eyes were on me and I received alot of positive comments. I had so much confidence and felt great about myself. I really appreciate and love your channels. Thank you so much 🥰🥰🥰🥰
I’m learning so much. Is there any exercises and techniques for women to practice keeping their poise when emotionally congested? A lot of us are the Marilyns of the world, and we don’t have the foundation from our background and upbringing.
I won't say whether I agree with you or not but one must take into consideration the childhood of manrilyn and understand her behaviour. Some of us are brought up in toxic environment and we learn the behaviours and right now we can listen to you and see you are right but when we are confronted with the suffering. Its us who knows our pain or how we deal with it
As someone who has a great amount of empathy for others, especially children and who works with the mentally ill. I will say to please keep that same mindset if you ever are unfortunately in the place that Jackie was in.
Experiencing trauma should not excuse bad behavior. We have all been negatively affected in life and it’s up to the emotionally intelligent person to correct these behaviors and seek help as needed.
I agree with you .trauma is not an excuse.its a bad experience that no one asked for .no one asked for being sexually abuses .no one asked to be raped .no one asked to be confronted with such horrible experiences. Still people go through them and each 1 of us deal with these experiences differently and it takes a lot of courage and work on oneself in order to go through these experiences and there is no right or wrong way of healing
@@SM7SM7SM7 You must have not researched MM, she did seek help. And, her psychiatrist is one of those who killed her. She didn't overdose, it just got covered up by the Bobby Kennedy, the cops he knew, and the medical examiner office was forced to help cover it up.
Even though I am a guy and this video is more directed towards a female audience, I have to say that I watched your video and found your analysis fascinating. I have always been a history nerd and JFK is one of my favorite presidents (although he could have been a better husband to Jackie). I have always been fascinated by Camelot which is what brought me to this video. Loved your work and I hope you continue making such interesting and entertaining video essays.
I thoroughly enjoy your videos but I must say that in this one you come across as extremely biased. It looked like your believes have stopped you research into the well documented behavior of Mrs Kennedy whilst at the same time dissecting Miss Monroe’s every single mishap.
There's no use pitting these women against each other. While they both have admirable qualities, neither are truly high value women. They both lost. How can Jackie know her worth and yet stay with a cheating husband? 😂 I don't condone Marilyn's affair with JFK, but you cannot say Jackie knew her worth. A woman that knows her worth, will not allow herself to be made a fool or disrespected by a philanderer. Their behavior, Marilyn by trying to usurp Jackie and Jackie for staying, demonstrates that they both made JFK the prize. To know your worth is to know you are the prize. Elegance shouldn't be defined by politeness and social decorum, it should be defined by having values, self-love, and self-respect. Example? Princess Diana. She did what she needed to do for herself and her children, despite the backlash. It may have been interpreted as classless, impolite, or socially unacceptable to divorce prince charles, but she respected herself and her children enough to leave.
Yes what you said made sense but how did it end for DIANA, humiliating scandals and DEATH🤔 🙄🙄🙄. Any woman can walk away but in the case of powerful men, it is not that easy. Kennedy was like the world president.
As much I agree, we say this as a society that has learn from the mistakes and injustices of woman who were taken advantage back then. I was speaking with a elder and they told me a divorce was way more scandalous to a person reputation back then, then an actual affair. She did attempt to divorce JFK multiple times because of his affair but stayed because of reputation and family affairs with JFK (being a mother to his kids). She did the best she can with all the pressure that was placed as a woman in the era. The best we can do as elegant woman was to learn from these two woman and do justice for ourselves. For two woman that couldn’t do it for themselves at the time.
@@Lonelytigertot I agree that presentism is an issue and judging the past by modern standards is unfair; but the creator used the term high value woman. High value woman/man is a modern term and therefore has modern standards. The point I was making was that Jackie and Marilyn are actually two sides of the same coin, and comparison is futile. They did what they needed to to do to survive and thrive in the world that they were living in. Jackie followed social norms and Marilyn challenged them. The idea that Jackie was MORE high value, worthy, or had more class than Marilyn is flawed. A high value woman is defined by self-worth and self-value. She is high value because she values herself more than a man or social approval. The idea of elegance is predicated on external validation and social approval. The entire discussion of having class and being elegant is truly elitist and anti-feminist, as is demonstrated with this comparison. Generally, elegance and "being classy" continues to be determined by other people, instead of by one's own moral values, authenticity, self-respect, and self-love. Diana isn't better than Jackie, the example was simply made because they were both married to cheating men and made different decisions. Diana's decision fits more closely with the definition of a high value woman. While divorce certainly wasn't as taboo for Diana as it was for Jackie; Diana still faced negative repercussions from her divorce, but she chose authenticity and self-respect instead of social approval. The fact that Jackie tried to divorce JFK, as you state, is proof that Jackie had a choice. Jackie, Marilyn, and Diana are all admirable in their own right. It is the glorification of one woman versus the vilification of another that I take issue with.
This is the only video I don't like, will watch the others over & over, but this didn't work out well. I agree, it's just not a good idea to compare people. No thank you. 💓
Interesting analysis on marlyne M. and Jackie K. Regardless of your perspective on Marlyne, she remains an icon to me, i m not a fan of Jackie K, actually, i have never been intrigued to research on her(Jackie K.) Not that i approve of Marlyne affair with president John K.She wouldnt have been wise choice for first lady of the United States(between her and Jackie, Jackie was the perfect choice), if she suceeded in her affair with John K. I love Marlyne regardless of all any mistakes she made in her life time. When you google Jackie Kennedy, Marlyne Monroe and the civil rights movement, lol more love for Marlyne than Jackie, Jackie was more 2 face, in public she appeared to be supportive but her remarks in private esply about Martin Luther King were hmmm "interesting". How elegant she appeared after her remarks of Martin Luther King All in all, i agree with your point elegance triumphs at the end. Thanks for your analysis
riechel tabot, Remember too that there are no facts around the idea that MM wanted to be The First Lady. Marilyn was a realist. She didn't grow up with privilege and wealth like Jackie and JFK. It's highly unlikely she would have thought she belonged in that elite world. In her last audio interview just weeks before her death, she talked about wanting to improve more in her acting. Her focus was on her career and she was buying furniture for her new house in Brentwood. Marilyn was a strong advocate for civil rights. Much more than JK or JFK.
A great analysis and insight, and great lesson about how to deal with trouble makers in your privacy, with class and dignity. As usual Vivian, thank you for this very interesting content. You truly are lady my dear.
Vivienne thanks a lot as Tina Turner said I use to always call her Mrs Kennedy long after President’s death and she became Mrs Jackie Onassis she had class and elegance.
Why are some women in the comment section soo much furious and upset over Jacqueline kennedy being appreciated as a women of worth.... some feel the need to mention she came from wealth as if that would waver her integrity? I do feel bad for Marilyn's distraught upbringing but thats never going to be an excuse to distraught another woman's life... and btw nobody is pitting these women against each other, it's marlyn who by her choice decided to go against this amazing woman Jacqueline... you all can't stop others from pinpointing how marlyn had set herself up for disaster with wrong evil intentions... it's not an insult, it is a fact
Last comment on the video: many comments are saying comparative things like " team Jackie," or "realizing" Marilyn had no class. It's just making me sad & disappointed. In this video & in many of the comments such as listed above. I think we all know, in our hearts, that elegance includes compassion & humanity, both without ego & pitting people.
I just found your channel, I'm enjoying it a great deal. Can you do one on Audrey Hepburn? She was always a woman I looked to when I think of being a lady.
Amazing! I have this thought that it would be lovely if you do videos about the old days ladies to learn from and take tips specially there routines, their hobbies and interests they were feminine and elegant more
I mean Jackie came from out of a privileged background and she didn't have Marilyn's childhood abuse and other traumas. I agree Marilyn was out of line for harassing her but under the circumstances she had elegance and grace in her own right. She had an inner strength that Jackie probably would not have had if she had gone through even half the things Marilyn had. Compared to Jackie she was self-made and she acquired her success through a series of rough knocks and hard lessons. I have much respect for both ladies but at the end of the day only God knows their inner characters. I believe Marilyn had a heart of gold and Kennedy saw that..and part of me wonders if Jackie played a role in her husband's ultimate fate.
@@revefied_4940 you might want to study up on what the true definition of a homewrecker is. True, she was knowingly involved with a married man but no one can control who they fall in love with and she did not force herself onto him, he reciprocated. And who can blame him, who wouldn't want such a goddess? A true homewrecker goes around trying to break up families and homes and imposes herself onto men who have no interest in her all for the sake of malice. JFK allowed her affections so Marilyn was not inherently wrong. I know she wasn't perfect but she is an innate diamond in my eyes. I share a special kinship with Marilyn and I love her energy.
@@underrated902t as she stated though. And she’s definitely somewhat got a point. Why is a women like Marylin monroe put on a pedestal as an empowering women when she was with jfk knowing he was with Jackie?! and second of all this might sound irrelevant to the topic but marylin monroe called many men and used the term “daddy” in her life. I watched some of the Netflix movies “blonde” and did some research. She called most of the men in her life “daddy” she did this because she never had a father or in other word fatherless and while her own mom abandoned her. Yes, she was beautiful however. If we can alll keep it a buck and be honest for a second Marylin Monroe was a trouble maker and she’s only considered soo beautiful or seen as a sex symbol because she was white with pretty privilege. I said what I said! And somewhat her acting give that to her as well but her looks on the outside have her that “sex symbol” label lmaooo
@@drama7newstelevision297 uh, she wasn't forcing JFK to to be with her, he willingly reciprocated. Yes he was the prez and married but no one can control who they fall in love with. Why are you speaking as if she forced him to cheat on Jackie with her? Lol
This is a ridiculous outtake. Jackie lost two children and one was a stillborn. And don't get me started she witnessed her husband's demise. In the motorcade they were in. Her husband's unresponse body was laying on her until they arrive to Parkland Memorial Hospital. Jackie is just as strong as Monroe. Monroe would probably have a meltdown. I believe she truly loved JFK not because he was a president, but it seems his energy matches hers.
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No truly elegant and self-respectful woman would stay with a man that disrespects her. Jackie put on a good act but she was horribly unattractive with eyes on both sides of her head.
Agreed! Although I wasn't born at this time, my parents were in their 20s and 30s and discussed the scandal with us when we questioned why JFK's picture was the only picture of an American President hanging up in our home. Sadly, infidelity happens; AND it happens with great frequency for men in powerful positions. Not much has changed by way of requirements expected of persons who ding to hold the Office of President of The United States of America. While beauty will bring one many worshippers, I am afraid it's not all one will need to get and retain a man such as the President of the United States. There's simply too many other factors on the line. While I agree with a few comments already posted that there's just no real comparison between these two ladies, I came away with the nugget that women of elegance should be mindful to not position themselves in situations like Ms. Marilyn as being known as a homewreaker is by far not elegant. It's also far from elegant to be known as the woman with a high body count. It's nearing 2023 and I still haven't met any man of mid or high quality who cherishes the knowledge that his woman has slept with numerous other men. There was a name for promiscuous women. They're always the life of the male party and plenty of fun to sow one's high quality oats, but these men knew, and still know today, that that's not the woman he can have confidently by his side on his career trajectory.
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Definitely not a true depiction of Marilyn. Marilyn was a way better women and human than Jackie & bigger icon Wonderful human Don't think that was her real. personality
@@iriswest-allen7492 what do you mean by that? Marilyn Monroe indeed had an affair with the president who was a married man. She was also a drug addict. So which of these is not an accurate depiction of Marilyn Monroe?
@comely true, but it takes 2 to tango. You can’t blame Kennedy without blaming Marilyn and vice versa. She knew he was married, yet continued to see him.
The whole problem with this is there are ZERO facts around the idea that MM thought she would be First Lady. In her last audio interview, Marilyn spoke of wanting to improve at her craft of acting. She was looking forward to getting back to filming a movie. She didn't hint at any sort of life change. She seemed quite content with her new Brentwood home and was buying furniture for it. If she had a brief involvement with JFK it was likely over before her death. I'm tired of these put downs of MM. Jacqueline signed up for the life she had with JFK. She knew he had a roving eye and had countless flings and affairs. Around the time that Marilyn died, he was having it off with a 19 year old intern at The White House. Jackie chose to stay with him. JK was elegant but that had nothing to do with MM. Her elegance didn't win out over Marilyn. It would have been the fact that there wasn't anything between Marilyn and JFK to begin with. Maybe they had a one night stand. All these stories about Marilyn being desperate to take over Jackie's role in JFK's life is pure fiction. Marilyn was a smart woman. She wasn't trusting of people and was a realist who wasn't born into the charmed and privileged life that either JK or JFK were. She worked hard to achieve the success she did.
I definitely did enjoy it and would be gratafel for more of course:) I will repeat myself saying how precious this channel is. I would not be myself without being into elegant fashion of course BUT the content , great focus on behaving in a good manner brings way more than only good quality clothing. However if a woman with open mind is eager to master those two ,mind and presence it can be powerful. Behind most of succesful Gentlemen there are classy, inteligent elegant women. Thank You very much indeed!
I'm a bit uncomfortable with this, I understand where you're coming from/what you're trying to say. However, I feel strongly that the depths of Marilyn's life (& Jackie's) are oversimplified & it does feel like woman pitted against the other. I understand that's not your intention, but truly when anyone sets up two people in comparison that's what's happening. I hate to do that for anyone, but in particular those in public eye & who've had a notoriously difficult life. Both are children, women of God & do deserve to stand tall on their own. Much love.
I’m not at all sure that the way you are running down Marylin Monroe sounds particularly elegant to me. I have followed Marilyn Monroe a lot and I’m not aware that she talked to Jackie Kennedy like this. I’m not suggesting that we should all only ever say nice things about people; that would be boring. But if we say bad things about people without proof, we run the risk of sounding biased and vindictive ourselves
Ladies, please let’s not forget that Mrs Onasis had her own extramarital affairs whilst being Mrs Kennedy. The most famous of which is the one with Gianni Agnielli. And of course she literally stole partner of her own sister. Lee Radzwill was dating Onasis for several years and it is through her Jacqueline got to know him. In my eyes she was as amoral as JFK the only difference being she had better PR.
Agnelli. ❤ The most elegant man but a bit of a cad. Rumoured to be JFK juniors real father. Check out Ginevra Agnelli Elkann and her children’s resemblance. Interesting.
I don't normally justify infidelity, but can you really blame Jackie for having extramarital affairs when Jack was probably parking his car into several garages right at the start of their marriage.
And romance with married brother JFK!!!
Jackie was a really confident woman who knew her worth !
She behaved like a high value woman.
That's because Jackie was the epitome of a high value woman. A lot of mothers named their daughters after her during that time.
Jackie came from wealth The comparison is ridiculous
@@judyperri9496 I’m not sure if elegance has anything to do with coming from wealth. I can name a handful of people who are pretty wealthy but far from elegant
How did she know her worth if she stayed with a cheating man, she and Marlyn had no self respect if we look at it.
Perfectly done video. I completely agree. Jackie Kennedy was the best she could be and she handled it very well and with pure elegance. Marilyn dreams of being the First Lady was a PURE joke because back then you had to be groomed to be First Lady and a woman being a fling to a First Lady couldn’t happen. Even when Prince Charles Married Camilla the Queen was UTTERLY upset. Monroe was DREAMING and I think that’s why Jackie felt bad for her.
I also will say this too,Marilyn was very much trouble and she even had a reputation in Hollywood. Her story is very sad and tbh,no woman would want to be her,they would want her looks. As women we often think because a man admires and is mesmerized by a woman’s looks that should equate to love or safety but Marilyn was not respected by men AT ALL. She was a Sex symbol and for women,too many times,that dehumanizes you. Jackie Kennedy understood that and that’s why she felt for Marilyn. They often said how the Kennedy Brothers would trash talk Marilyn. Was Jackie getting cheated on acceptable? Nope. Also it is questionable that Kennedy loved Jackie. Nonetheless,Jackie didn’t tie her worth to a man and she had the grit to get through that marriage. Marilyn Monroe was so smart and intelligent but she couldn’t overcome her brokenness. I would even say men’s admiration for her beauty was one of the few times she felt seen or “Loved”.
That’s why you should never triangulate yourself against another woman and act out of character. Keep your poise and maintain your position. ❤️
This video is so well done. You won a subscriber.
jackie copied marilyn s voice and jackie came from old money
Yes blame women not men who cheat on his wife multiple times, JFK was a Casanova and karma had him periodt.
Your comments were deeply insightful !
The idea that MM dreamed of being First Lady is purely fiction made up by people that didn't know her to sell books.
Hit the nail!!!!! Defiantly hit the nail with this comment! And you defiantly hit the nail again when you said “no women would want to be her speaking of Marylin Monroe” and if they want to be her it would be for her looks only and the some of the fame!!!! There you go! Now I don’t mean to bring race into this situation either. But I’ve felt for a long time now that Marylin Monroe didn’t alone just have pretty privilege. But she also was possibly put on a pedestal by men because she was “white”. I sometimes get the feeling. I wonder if Marylin had been black or let’s say even mixed. Would she still get praised as much today and or would men even look her way? Pretty privilege or not for Marylin if she was black🤷♀️. I guess…
Honestly, I'm watching over and over again. This video needs to go viral, people need to learn this.
Just remember that Jackie came from wealth, Marilyn did not If you don’t think it makes a difference, you’re kidding yourself
Agreed! Although I wasn't born at this time, my parents were in their 20s and 30s and discussed the scandal with us when we questioned why JFK's picture was the only picture of an American President hanging up in our home. Sadly, infidelity happens; AND it happens with great frequency for men in powerful positions. Not much has changed by way of requirements expected of persons who ding to hold the Office of President of The United States of America. While beauty will bring one many worshippers, I am afraid it's not all one will need to get and retain a man such as the President of the United States. There's simply too many other factors on the line.
Jackie's mom like so many humans, was living vicariously through her daughters, Jackie and her sister. Bet, when Jack was taken from her through death, she learned what true elegance is really all about:. "#1, FIRST AND ALWAYS, YOURSELF"!!
@@mime3763I think that’s actually the definition of selfishness.
@@gracenurse3365 And she latched on to billionaire Onassis as soon as possible. I remember thinking he was soooo UGLY. Now I realize how it worked back then. (I don’t think I could stomach having him touch me. So much for marrying for money.🤷🏼♀)
@@davisholman8149it really sucked for women back then, couldn’t even have their own bank account. So they had to marry ugly rich dudes
I love your analysis...such a beautiful way of portraying the whole story without seeming biased or cancelling someone. You are so matured in your thinking, and elegant.
And, she still got cheated on a million times knowing it was happening.
Being cheated has nothing to do on who you are, it has everything to do with who truly the unfaithful person is!
Well she also had her affairs…
@@myristicina. did she?
I appreciate Mariyln for so many reasons, and now I've learned takeaways from Jackie, as well. Thank you. Your presence and this channel is a gift.
Yes, it's true that,we need knowledge in all the areas of our life,just beauty is not enough.Dear,thank you so much for the valuable information. God bless you. 👍😊
Your channel is so refreshing! We need more inspiration on elegance in society, it’s quickly fading out in the US and I currently live here and it’s sad to watch women slip further and further into degeneracy than stepping into their true elegant form!
By true elegant form you mean having their bodies be policed by others and get shamed for enjoying being sexual beings?
@@lolalolaa3804 An elegant woman keeps her sexual exploits to herself. That way no way “shames” you.
I learned from my mother that she thought about her, Jackie, when she named me. That's where I got my first name! And I love it! She was a very classy and elegant lady.
MM inherited Bipolar, and Schizophrenia. Moreover, she had a terrible upbringing. She seemed help, but it was difficult for her to overcome everything she dealt and lived with. Moreover, there is evidence she was killed by Bobby and her psychiatrist not an overdose. Jackie, didn't go through even half of that ish. And, she ended up on pills as well.
Marilyn was a flop at holding a marriage. She must be held accountable for her actions as a trying to break up a marriage & family for her own selfish ambition. She would have never been successful as first lady anyway. She believed her beauty, fame & sex would get her the white house. After all Marilyn had always gotten every man she set her sights on. She lost out. She was by then an aging movie queen. She was out of her element.
Not an excuse to sleep with married men
That does not give her an excuse
@@mvvx313 ammm the man is the one who should say no. She was free to do as she pleased
@@katerinaikalina No. Yes, The man should say no, and JFK is more to blame than Marilyn, but she should have had the decency to deny him, she knew he was married and should have respected Jackie enough to turn JFK down.
Women of Elegance know her worth and know that she can't be replaced by anyone. Lovely narration.
Yes let me get my coffee please!!!
A confident woman who knows her worth is everything and in my view also defines ELEGANCE!!
Absolutely love your channel 💕💜💕
I need to watch 100 more videos. Because I would have lost all elegance if some woman called my house saying that.
Same. I am chill and even unfortunately a bit passive to the point of meekness and hate confrontation. But I can go from 0 to 11 under the right provocation and someone having the cheek to call me up on my house phone to taunt me...🚑🚓
She didn’t even call a random house she done called the “ white house” just to say something she imagined and though would happen. Lmaoo gurl bye 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This story reminded me of this popular novel/webtoon called 'The Remarried Empress'. The female protagonist (the Empress) in the story knew her worth and always acted with class and sophistication. Then there's also this mistress who wanted so much attention from the emperor and also wanted to become the next empress. The mistress' ambition and upbringing in this story somehow resembled what you said about Monroe in this video. lol
Great content as always! The color of your outfit looked good on you, too!
Funny thing I read the Remarried empress. I hate to wait for one episode-a week though. It is my favorite after Lumine went to hiatus
Princess Diana although very elegant was displaced by Camila.
I think both women were elegant. Not defending cheating but Marylin was born in Hollywood to a working mother, had a ruff life as a child. She was basically an orphan and grew up in foster care off and on. She was also taken advantage of by men. Her father rejected her. Jackie and JFK both came from wealthy families. Jackie was born in the Hamptons to a stockbroker and stay at home mom. Jackie attended college and studied abroad. Marylin was an avid reader and very intelligent. I think Marylin was elegant she just didn’t know her place and was a bit of a lost soul. Ultimately I think she was looking for a father figure and validation from men which was her downfall
she was assisnated because of the affair .she was a better person than jackie but we can learn from marilyn mistakes to keep our affairs with married men private and dress as a married woman not a sex symbol . marilyn will always have a soft spot in my heart
@@independentprincess92 keep your affairs with married men private? How about just don't?
You do know Jackie was incredibly racist, while Marilyn acted as a true ally to Black Americans during the Civil Rights Movement right? That completely discredits any “elegance” she possessed.
This is the first time i am hearing about this since she never spoke in public or conducted an interview with anyone, let alone anyone claiming racism about her. I remember reading her wedding dress was designed by Ann Lowe, a widely regarded AA, talented, barrier-breaking designer, who worked on dresses for some of the country's most wealthiest at the time.
But I do love Marilyn Monroe integrity and allyship with Black actors and performers.
Elegance and racism are two separate things. Taking a lesson from a racist person doesn’t mean you condone their racist actions.
@@SM7SM7SM7 I never said nor implied they meant the same thing. I’m simply exposing a character flaw that discredits any elegance she exuded born solely from public perception.
@@SM7SM7SM7 you’re racist for agreeing with such foolishness then.
@@SM7SM7SM7 I will NEVER take lessons from a racist person.
You deserve more subscribers, unfortunately women of these days doesn't put any interest in "elegance"
Oh wow! What a great analysis! I’ve learnt a lot for sure. Thank you girla, you are amazing 🤩
I'm going to defend Marilyn Monroe here. She didn't have the advantages that Jackie Kennedy had. Marilyn Monroe had a 163 IQ, read all the time, wrote poetry, and once a wife of someone in the business took her under her wing, and showed her kindness, and how to be elegant, she actually thrived. Now all that about Marilyn Monroe calling is it fact or fiction? There have been so many rumors about Jackie, John, and Marilyn, that it's hard to keep them straight. Marilyn Monroe constantly needed someone to prove that they loved her, because she never had that growing up, and Hollywood took full advantage of her. Jackie had the advantages, and knew how to play the game. She married into American Royalty, and the Kennedy men were known for infidelity, and if you married one, you had to accept that, that came with the package. Don't ever be fooled that a married man is going to leave his wife, especially a well off married man. Marilyn Monroe was just insecure, and if an affair did happen, we didn't know what was being told to her, to make her think that he would leave Jackie. As far as Jackie being racist, another rumor spread, both of these women couldn't win,because of rumors, and could have bonded over that. Once people hear a rumor, they automatically think that they know all about a person, and they really don't know anything.
I agree that she was at a more disadvantaged position but that doesn’t give her a right to behave in this way. The lesson in this is, if you know your position, you don’t need to fight half the time.
@@SM7SM7SM7 She was taught that what she was doing would get her the love that she so desperately seeked. People who knew her, and were her true,blue friends knew that about her, like the actress Shelly Winters, who she was roommates with for awhile. She said that Marilyn Monroe was like a big kid, always looking for love, and she hated to be alone, and to be left alone, she would even follow Shelly Winters to the bathroom, so she wouldn't be alone. Then here comes Hollywood, and tells her to be a sex symbol, and the people will love her. Joe Dimaggio honestly loved her, but he didn't go about it the right way. If he beat her or not, is again, rumors, but he wanted to save her from Hollywood, and protect her, and she really loved him, but they just didn't work it out. She then married that horrible Arthur Miller who was cruel to her, and wrote a movie, that was suppose to be about her, but it made fun of her, and she saved his career when they were calling him a communist! She was used, and abused, and when she tried to be a serious actress, Hollywood laughed, but before her death, she was starting her own production company, and that's been proven, and it's been proven that she was going to get into directing too. She also went and raised hell, when she found out that Elizabeth Taylor made a fortune on Cleopatra, but she was getting scraps. She had no one to look out for her, except for when Joe Dimaggio came into her life, but he didn't know Hollywood, or cared to get to know it. She needed someone tough, that had her back always, and would tell people to back off and leave her alone. Tell people that they were not going to give her another pill to sleep, or wake up, or another script where she's the dumb blonde, let her have a serious role, and see how she does. She thought she was doing what was expected of her, because that's what she had been told. No one ever told her anything any different.
@Peggy Gilespie Ir comes from people who knew her, and she was tested. Some of today's stars actually do have very high IQs, like Geena Davis was in MENSA, and Sharon Stone took advanced classes before she went to college, if she did. Some celebrities don't have flies on their brain, they just act like it. LOL 😆
So? It is not even true that she is that smart. No matter what anyone says, Jackie was always the classier woman.
@@Hehe-qh8pd She was that smart, and Marilyn was classy, but she did what she thought was expected of her, because she was so desperate for someone to love her. Jackie was a classy woman too, and people loved her, but she had the advantages that Marilyn Monroe never had.
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It's so sad that discussions like this are not everywhere and I'm so glad you're taking the extra time to do this. I love you and agree with many things you say on this channel. I'm very glad you're teaching attraction rather than seduction, ladies really need to be aware of this so they can chase the right image and become the best version of themselves. Thanks again! I love your work and vibe! Thanks big Sis🥰
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u are so classy. A role model for women. Amazing content, thank you for enlightening and inspiring us!
What an incredible video and way of thinking. Subscribed!❤️
Thank you for breaking this down. Marilyn is no role model and I cannot understand why many are influenced by her, time and time again we see the consequences of that kind of lifestyle wether a celeb or in real life. At the end of the day we all have consequences for our actions. Jackie was the better role model and someone to look up to. Marilyn was very troubled and promiscuous and look were her life ended up. Jackie was the innocent one in this situation. Jackie husband and Marilyn both were the adulterous and their always consequences for that kind of behavior. Jackie ended up always being respected by both men and women. Following the lifestyle of Marilyn will always lead to great life changing consequences. Same for promiscuous men.
Excellent 🙌 analysis content 👏👏👏!!! Very helpful and useful advice!!!
Hey Vivian I like the way you speak. You are an elegant woman. Exactly we the women require wisdom to lead a life of elegance. And wisdom comes from the Lord alone. Hence, pray and practice.
I could listen to & watch Vivienne speak all day. Her strong & poised spirit is palpable & inspiring. She feels like the older sister I never had. :)
Knowing your worth as a woman builds immense self confidence, which in turn, buffs up your elegance. Beautiful!
Loved this analysis. Keep them coming 👍🏾
It’s annoying that people idolize Marilyn; she slept with married men and was a terrible actress since she would show up late to sets making everyone else wait. They just like her because of her looks.
Because she is a wh!te women with pretty privilege. This abt the 4 time I’m having to say this lmaoooo.
Well it takes 2 to tangle those married Mens loved her more than there wives if they were so in love with them why cheat she has more class to divorce him smh for some reason they had him.assassinated
Don't blame Marilyn she was very attractive & really wanted her above there wives smh
@@tinaanderson200 no accountability
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I love this commentary and the examples you give to relate it to current culture. Thank you
I’m learning so much. Is there any exercises and techniques for women to practice keeping their poise when emotionally congested? A lot of us are the Marilyns of the world, and we don’t have the foundation from our background and upbringing.
Definitely try yoga and pilates! On my way to the latter now♥
Look up zen master Thich Nhat Hanh, he devoted his entire life teaching people around the world to calm the beast within.
@@shannonn3008 Thank you. I’ll look forward to indulging in his work.
I won't say whether I agree with you or not but one must take into consideration the childhood of manrilyn and understand her behaviour. Some of us are brought up in toxic environment and we learn the behaviours and right now we can listen to you and see you are right but when we are confronted with the suffering. Its us who knows our pain or how we deal with it
When one suffers there is no right or wrong way .its suffering. Its a person pain
As someone who has a great amount of empathy for others, especially children and who works with the mentally ill. I will say to please keep that same mindset if you ever are unfortunately in the place that Jackie was in.
Experiencing trauma should not excuse bad behavior. We have all been negatively affected in life and it’s up to the emotionally intelligent person to correct these behaviors and seek help as needed.
I agree with you .trauma is not an excuse.its a bad experience that no one asked for .no one asked for being sexually abuses .no one asked to be raped .no one asked to be confronted with such horrible experiences. Still people go through them and each 1 of us deal with these experiences differently and it takes a lot of courage and work on oneself in order to go through these experiences and there is no right or wrong way of healing
@@SM7SM7SM7 You must have not researched MM, she did seek help. And, her psychiatrist is one of those who killed her. She didn't overdose, it just got covered up by the Bobby Kennedy, the cops he knew, and the medical examiner office was forced to help cover it up.
Clicked so fast. Looking forward to watching
I had no idea about this at all, eye opener!
Truly glad I found you! Brilliant analysis 😘 ...and of course there's always something to learn. 👌
Even though I am a guy and this video is more directed towards a female audience, I have to say that I watched your video and found your analysis fascinating. I have always been a history nerd and JFK is one of my favorite presidents (although he could have been a better husband to Jackie). I have always been fascinated by Camelot which is what brought me to this video. Loved your work and I hope you continue making such interesting and entertaining video essays.
I thoroughly enjoy your videos but I must say that in this one you come across as extremely biased. It looked like your believes have stopped you research into the well documented behavior of Mrs Kennedy whilst at the same time dissecting Miss Monroe’s every single mishap.
Yes, I feel the same way. Thank you.
Thank you so much. Beautifully done! Akwaaba.
I enjoyed this video thanks 🎉
Well...But My Favourite first Lady is Melania Trump! She is also Really Elegant!
There's no use pitting these women against each other. While they both have admirable qualities, neither are truly high value women. They both lost. How can Jackie know her worth and yet stay with a cheating husband? 😂 I don't condone Marilyn's affair with JFK, but you cannot say Jackie knew her worth. A woman that knows her worth, will not allow herself to be made a fool or disrespected by a philanderer. Their behavior, Marilyn by trying to usurp Jackie and Jackie for staying, demonstrates that they both made JFK the prize. To know your worth is to know you are the prize. Elegance shouldn't be defined by politeness and social decorum, it should be defined by having values, self-love, and self-respect. Example? Princess Diana. She did what she needed to do for herself and her children, despite the backlash. It may have been interpreted as classless, impolite, or socially unacceptable to divorce prince charles, but she respected herself and her children enough to leave.
Yes what you said made sense but how did it end for DIANA, humiliating scandals and DEATH🤔 🙄🙄🙄. Any woman can walk away but in the case of powerful men, it is not that easy. Kennedy was like the world president.
I LOVE THIS COMMENT 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Jackie Kennedy was not better just bc she had the ring 🙄As a matter of fact Marilyn is more iconic.
As much I agree, we say this as a society that has learn from the mistakes and injustices of woman who were taken advantage back then. I was speaking with a elder and they told me a divorce was way more scandalous to a person reputation back then, then an actual affair. She did attempt to divorce JFK multiple times because of his affair but stayed because of reputation and family affairs with JFK (being a mother to his kids). She did the best she can with all the pressure that was placed as a woman in the era. The best we can do as elegant woman was to learn from these two woman and do justice for ourselves. For two woman that couldn’t do it for themselves at the time.
@@Lonelytigertot I agree that presentism is an issue and judging the past by modern standards is unfair; but the creator used the term high value woman. High value woman/man is a modern term and therefore has modern standards. The point I was making was that Jackie and Marilyn are actually two sides of the same coin, and comparison is futile. They did what they needed to to do to survive and thrive in the world that they were living in. Jackie followed social norms and Marilyn challenged them. The idea that Jackie was MORE high value, worthy, or had more class than Marilyn is flawed. A high value woman is defined by self-worth and self-value. She is high value because she values herself more than a man or social approval. The idea of elegance is predicated on external validation and social approval. The entire discussion of having class and being elegant is truly elitist and anti-feminist, as is demonstrated with this comparison. Generally, elegance and "being classy" continues to be determined by other people, instead of by one's own moral values, authenticity, self-respect, and self-love. Diana isn't better than Jackie, the example was simply made because they were both married to cheating men and made different decisions. Diana's decision fits more closely with the definition of a high value woman. While divorce certainly wasn't as taboo for Diana as it was for Jackie; Diana still faced negative repercussions from her divorce, but she chose authenticity and self-respect instead of social approval. The fact that Jackie tried to divorce JFK, as you state, is proof that Jackie had a choice. Jackie, Marilyn, and Diana are all admirable in their own right. It is the glorification of one woman versus the vilification of another that I take issue with.
This is the only video I don't like, will watch the others over & over, but this didn't work out well. I agree, it's just not a good idea to compare people. No thank you. 💓
Please we need more of this!
What makeup did you use in this video? Your foundation is flawless 💖
Interesting analysis on marlyne M. and Jackie K. Regardless of your perspective on Marlyne, she remains an icon to me, i m not a fan of Jackie K, actually, i have never been intrigued to research on her(Jackie K.) Not that i approve of Marlyne affair with president John K.She wouldnt have been wise choice for first lady of the United States(between her and Jackie, Jackie was the perfect choice), if she suceeded in her affair with John K. I love Marlyne regardless of all any mistakes she made in her life time. When you google Jackie Kennedy, Marlyne Monroe and the civil rights movement, lol more love for Marlyne than Jackie, Jackie was more 2 face, in public she appeared to be supportive but her remarks in private esply about Martin Luther King were hmmm "interesting". How elegant she appeared after her remarks of Martin Luther King All in all, i agree with your point elegance triumphs at the end. Thanks for your analysis
riechel tabot, Remember too that there are no facts around the idea that MM wanted to be The First Lady. Marilyn was a realist. She didn't grow up with privilege and wealth like Jackie and JFK. It's highly unlikely she would have thought she belonged in that elite world. In her last audio interview just weeks before her death, she talked about wanting to improve more in her acting. Her focus was on her career and she was buying furniture for her new house in Brentwood. Marilyn was a strong advocate for civil rights. Much more than JK or JFK.
Thanks for sharing darling
Beautiful video, I learnt alot ma. God bless you ma
A great analysis and insight, and great lesson about how to deal with trouble makers in your privacy, with class and dignity. As usual Vivian, thank you for this very interesting content. You truly are lady my dear.
Jackie : the picture of dignity and elegance
Marilyn : cheap home wrecker
Jackie literally took her own sisters fiance later.
Vivienne thanks a lot as Tina Turner said I use to always call her Mrs Kennedy long after President’s death and she became Mrs Jackie Onassis she had class and elegance.
This video is so educating 👍
Lovely analysis!!
Why are some women in the comment section soo much furious and upset over Jacqueline kennedy being appreciated as a women of worth.... some feel the need to mention she came from wealth as if that would waver her integrity? I do feel bad for Marilyn's distraught upbringing but thats never going to be an excuse to distraught another woman's life... and btw nobody is pitting these women against each other, it's marlyn who by her choice decided to go against this amazing woman Jacqueline... you all can't stop others from pinpointing how marlyn had set herself up for disaster with wrong evil intentions... it's not an insult, it is a fact
Last comment on the video: many comments are saying comparative things like " team Jackie," or "realizing" Marilyn had no class. It's just making me sad & disappointed. In this video & in many of the comments such as listed above. I think we all know, in our hearts, that elegance includes compassion & humanity, both without ego & pitting people.
I am so excited to watch this! 💜
Absolutely loved this video!
You are such an amazing story teller & orator. Truly enjoyed watching this.
I just found your channel, I'm enjoying it a great deal. Can you do one on Audrey Hepburn? She was always a woman I looked to when I think of being a lady.
Amazing! I have this thought that it would be lovely if you do videos about the old days ladies to learn from and take tips specially there routines, their hobbies and interests they were feminine and elegant more
I mean Jackie came from out of a privileged background and she didn't have Marilyn's childhood abuse and other traumas. I agree Marilyn was out of line for harassing her but under the circumstances she had elegance and grace in her own right. She had an inner strength that Jackie probably would not have had if she had gone through even half the things Marilyn had. Compared to Jackie she was self-made and she acquired her success through a series of rough knocks and hard lessons. I have much respect for both ladies but at the end of the day only God knows their inner characters. I believe Marilyn had a heart of gold and Kennedy saw that..and part of me wonders if Jackie played a role in her husband's ultimate fate.
Still doesn’t give her excuse to be a homewrecker. Can’t believe people even say MM is an empowering women
@@revefied_4940 you might want to study up on what the true definition of a homewrecker is. True, she was knowingly involved with a married man but no one can control who they fall in love with and she did not force herself onto him, he reciprocated. And who can blame him, who wouldn't want such a goddess? A true homewrecker goes around trying to break up families and homes and imposes herself onto men who have no interest in her all for the sake of malice. JFK allowed her affections so Marilyn was not inherently wrong. I know she wasn't perfect but she is an innate diamond in my eyes. I share a special kinship with Marilyn and I love her energy.
@@underrated902t as she stated though. And she’s definitely somewhat got a point. Why is a women like Marylin monroe put on a pedestal as an empowering women when she was with jfk knowing he was with Jackie?! and second of all this might sound irrelevant to the topic but marylin monroe called many men and used the term “daddy” in her life. I watched some of the Netflix movies “blonde” and did some research. She called most of the men in her life “daddy” she did this because she never had a father or in other word fatherless and while her own mom abandoned her. Yes, she was beautiful however. If we can alll keep it a buck and be honest for a second Marylin Monroe was a trouble maker and she’s only considered soo beautiful or seen as a sex symbol because she was white with pretty privilege. I said what I said! And somewhat her acting give that to her as well but her looks on the outside have her that “sex symbol” label lmaooo
@@drama7newstelevision297 uh, she wasn't forcing JFK to to be with her, he willingly reciprocated. Yes he was the prez and married but no one can control who they fall in love with. Why are you speaking as if she forced him to cheat on Jackie with her? Lol
This is a ridiculous outtake. Jackie lost two children and one was a stillborn. And don't get me started she witnessed her husband's demise. In the motorcade they were in. Her husband's unresponse body was laying on her until they arrive to Parkland Memorial Hospital. Jackie is just as strong as Monroe. Monroe would probably have a meltdown. I believe she truly loved JFK not because he was a president, but it seems his energy matches hers.
I love to watch anything you posted ,thank you
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amazing video! I learned so much I love your channel!
Your purple dress is very feminine and pretty
So intelligently presented! And an interesting side to the JFK history. Thanks,from one in Africa!
Jackie was always dressed very classy and not trashy.
No truly elegant and self-respectful woman would stay with a man that disrespects her. Jackie put on a good act but she was horribly unattractive with eyes on both sides of her head.
Why did you pick these two women to talk about? Why wasn't Jackie at her husbands party?
Same question
Young women, don’t be the other woman in a marriage, it rarely works out for you.
Wow 😳 when I was in the world I use look up to Marilyn Monroe silly of me I didn't know she had no class or integrity.
Me too I didn’t know that about Marilyn Monroe !
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Hi dear I use Lancome Teint Idole Ultra Wear♥
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@@chisomsophie9093 Sephora. Lancome websites too
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Agreed! Although I wasn't born at this time, my parents were in their 20s and 30s and discussed the scandal with us when we questioned why JFK's picture was the only picture of an American President hanging up in our home. Sadly, infidelity happens; AND it happens with great frequency for men in powerful positions. Not much has changed by way of requirements expected of persons who ding to hold the Office of President of The United States of America. While beauty will bring one many worshippers, I am afraid it's not all one will need to get and retain a man such as the President of the United States. There's simply too many other factors on the line.
While I agree with a few comments already posted that there's just no real comparison between these two ladies, I came away with the nugget that women of elegance should be mindful to not position themselves in situations like Ms. Marilyn as being known as a homewreaker is by far not elegant. It's also far from elegant to be known as the woman with a high body count. It's nearing 2023 and I still haven't met any man of mid or high quality who cherishes the knowledge that his woman has slept with numerous other men. There was a name for promiscuous women. They're always the life of the male party and plenty of fun to sow one's high quality oats, but these men knew, and still know today, that that's not the woman he can have confidently by his side on his career trajectory.
I love Jackie! She's amazing! I am inspired by her style a lot!!!! However, never been a fan of Marilyn... Thanks for this amazing video.
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Definitely not a true depiction of Marilyn.
Marilyn was a way better women and human than Jackie & bigger icon
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Don't think that was her real. personality
She was also fuxking a married man and a drug addict. That’s speaks for her personality.
That's not an accurate depiction.
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Marilyn Monroe indeed had an affair with the president who was a married man. She was also a drug addict. So which of these is not an accurate depiction of Marilyn Monroe?
@comely and she also had an affair with a married man due to depression?
@comely true, but it takes 2 to tango. You can’t blame Kennedy without blaming Marilyn and vice versa. She knew he was married, yet continued to see him.
The whole problem with this is there are ZERO facts around the idea that MM thought she would be First Lady. In her last audio interview, Marilyn spoke of wanting to improve at her craft of acting. She was looking forward to getting back to filming a movie. She didn't hint at any sort of life change. She seemed quite content with her new Brentwood home and was buying furniture for it. If she had a brief involvement with JFK it was likely over before her death. I'm tired of these put downs of MM. Jacqueline signed up for the life she had with JFK. She knew he had a roving eye and had countless flings and affairs. Around the time that Marilyn died, he was having it off with a 19 year old intern at The White House. Jackie chose to stay with him. JK was elegant but that had nothing to do with MM. Her elegance didn't win out over Marilyn. It would have been the fact that there wasn't anything between Marilyn and JFK to begin with. Maybe they had a one night stand. All these stories about Marilyn being desperate to take over Jackie's role in JFK's life is pure fiction. Marilyn was a smart woman. She wasn't trusting of people and was a realist who wasn't born into the charmed and privileged life that either JK or JFK were. She worked hard to achieve the success she did.
I definitely did enjoy it and would be gratafel for more of course:) I will repeat myself saying how precious this channel is. I would not be myself without being into elegant fashion of course BUT the content , great focus on behaving in a good manner brings way more than only good quality clothing. However if a woman with open mind is eager to master those two ,mind and presence it can be powerful. Behind most of succesful Gentlemen there are classy, inteligent elegant women. Thank You very much indeed!
Well said. Thanks.
I'm glad I am not the only one who finds this love triangle intriguing...
Thanks Vivian
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I'm a bit uncomfortable with this, I understand where you're coming from/what you're trying to say. However, I feel strongly that the depths of Marilyn's life (& Jackie's) are oversimplified & it does feel like woman pitted against the other. I understand that's not your intention, but truly when anyone sets up two people in comparison that's what's happening. I hate to do that for anyone, but in particular those in public eye & who've had a notoriously difficult life. Both are children, women of God & do deserve to stand tall on their own. Much love.
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I’m not at all sure that the way you are running down Marylin Monroe sounds particularly elegant to me. I have followed Marilyn Monroe a lot and I’m not aware that she talked to Jackie Kennedy like this. I’m not suggesting that we should all only ever say nice things about people; that would be boring. But if we say bad things about people without proof, we run the risk of sounding biased and vindictive ourselves
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