I mean - it's better than reforged before, still needs like a 6 years to be considered a good remake, but they're slowly getting there :P I'm glad they improved menu screen, brought back battlenet chat and improved game lobbies and ladder (in my opinion). That being said - ofc. I'm pissed off they used AI to upscale the art. It's so cheap. They are a company worth billions (owned by a company worth as much, who knows how much blizzard only is worth but whatever - you get the point). It feels so much worse knowing that there are some people out there who know what changes are necessary, but are not given enough resources to do so. They are not some small indie studio, they can hire ONE artist to remake those icons, they can hire maybe a few more to remake all of the assets - and it's still too much for them. Respect to those guys who worked with code itself, since QoL features seem nice.
I love you so much for showcasing this! Thank you from the bottom of my heart! I am the user that uploaded my finds in the promotional art on that Imgur link, then on Reddit! My point wasn't that Blizzard was wrong specifically for using AI art, but that they did it in the cheapest way possible. All they needed was a person to check mistakes and another to paint over some inconsistencies and they couldn't even do that! Even if, as some people claim, this isn't AI art, but actually human drawn terrible art, isn't that exposing that Blizzard has absolutely no quality control?
@@zenmaster3979 I added your Reddit username as well. Thank you so much for your post. Can't wait to see what Samwise thinks of this. I think it would be funny if the AI gave trolls 3 fingers and an artist "corrected" them to 5. I would like to give you a handshake with my five fingered Tauren hand!
Holy fuck. I'm so glad I came across this video, I had no idea the games were riddled with AI to this extent. It was clear that the new visuals for I and II were just AI slop, but holy fuck it's so much worse. I'm definitely not spending money on this hot garbage that they couldn't even spare a couple of artists to redraw the stuff. It's insane that BLIZZARD of all companies went so low for something related to their main franchise. This industry really went to hell.
No. Even if it'd be good, no. No money for Blizzard, no trust for Blizzard. The moment they rolled-out Reforged and I found my cherished WC3 account and custom map collection mutilated and destroyed, I've been done with Blizzard. No turning back.
That's why I make all my campaigns for classic 1.31.1. They can't do anything about it since the installer has been archived and unless you click the wrong exe, it will never update to Reforged
I knew something was off in the art, when I saw the Paladin's Hammer at 2:23 in-game. The hammer is gigantic, and has awful proportions compared to the original Didier's art at 2:29. Also, good call at the Warcraft 1 Icons at 4:05, I really noticed that "Peasant" portrait was look awfully greedy comparing to the friendly folks that gather our gold.
One more thing I heard about the remasters is that the icons don't have the original size. They used to be taller. I was hoping for better controls: Queuing for unit orders and training, tab-selection, auto-cast and more.
Wc1 definitely got right click functionality and I love it. Wc2 jumped from 9 to 12 units and that's it. Other stuff: clicking on icons to select a unit from your group, space to center on notif, selecting multiple buildings, multi/smart-casting, hotkey change, multiplayer for Wc1, map editor for Wc1
Right when I had my hopes up. I should've learned from the first reforged announcement. The AI art is absolutely despicable and such an insult to Samwise.
On the bright side, remasters are worth it, having warcraft 1 and 2 playable on a modern rig with QoL features is nice and you can press F5 in the game to switch to original assets + the bundle comes with the original games (for those who really don't want nothing to do with remaster), while warcraft 3 with reforged graphics was finally optimised, I couldn't play it before with more than 20-30 fps, now I have constant 60 and they finally fixed that mess of a main menu that they had before. Pretty sure they are going to fix those assets fuck ups in the future, I doubt they can do anything about the corrupted goldmine since it's literally model swapping, but the icons and textures should be adjusted. Despite this nitpicking, I am glad they are at least doing something about warcraft RTS games.
God, the butchering of this game just continues to get worse and worse. Its such a lazy effort and the finally affect makes the entire game look cheap. Its so bad, I'd rather they go back to abandoning the game again.
@@Subtogger same here. Feels a bit like having an ONS with a 300 pound woman in her 50s. When you make the deal, you think better than nothing, but you still feel disgusted afterwards.
To play Devils Advocate the door can be placed either way they probbly moved the door handle to the other side to make sure that detail is still seen even after adding some depth to the door way.
So if we had NO AI in 2024 we wouldn't get a Warcraft 3 reforged 2.0 patch, got it. This is shameful and lazy from Blizzard especially after making a great remaster with diablo 2
Thank you. I was hearing Grubby praise the patch but honestly nothing sits right with me. I dug up my old CDs and reinstalled it. Guess what, the entire thing is 30 GIGABITES. This is absurd.
The way they did Reforged 2.0 is even more awful and shame than actual Reforged. Yet, what is hilarious, RF2.0 looks like "improved" clickbate and false promises. Blizzard does not reforged the game, but the failure of this idea.
Uther: This game holds your companies honor Blizzard, what? Were you hoping to piss on it one last time before you left it's community to rot ? Blizzard: haha I didn't know what it held, it doesn't matter though, give me your money 🤑
I would also point out they literally add one QoL for Warcraft 2: 12 unit selection (instead of "unlimited" selection from Starcraft 2) and literally two QoL for Warcraft 1: 12 unit selection and right click to move. They should add much, much more (rally points, recruitment queue etc.). They also messed up with few animations for Warcraft 2 (death knight has move frames inside of idle animation etc.) Attack+move doesn't work properly in Warcraft 1. They removed multiplayer option from Warcraft 1 and downgraded multiplayer options in Warcraft 2 (ladder removed, private games removed, accounts and stats removed). And the funny part: they ask money for that.
Yeah I noticed the DK staff too. And no Wc1 MP? That would have been so cool. Wc1 is such an unique experience so I would have loved if they added PvP and even team games to it
@@xetanth87 Agree! They should not cut off Wc1 MP, but increased it up to 8 players, just like in Wc2. They are not an indie company, they can improve game from 1995 with few features
Such an insult for the Warcraft RTS they will rot in plains of hell .. they butchered everything the old 20 years of this just to celebrate what ? their ignorence and lack of vision / Quality they are dead to me if Metzen can watch what they have done to the WC-RTS's i don't know how he can sleep at night knowing that ur old work gets destroyed in just 4 years... "I hope they have a special place in hell"...because right now they deserve all the hate they can get..
WC1 I think is the only one worth it. It looks a little different in the upscale but still good IMO. The upgrades in 2 & 3 are not enough. Should have had troops queing and rally points. I've heard you can hotkey the barracks though
I honestly like this patch since it fixed alot of problems. Though I still think the concept art reforged stuff looks way better than wtf they settled with in the finalization...
I already have low expectations to this as they have the audacity to resell WC3R despite not fixing it, and now it has AI in it?!! Just WoW pun intended, good job as always Blizz for nvr ceased to amaze us with this disappointment... 🤣
And for Meat Wagon - thanks, I guess?.. I already have it from 2019 and sadly its useless cause it does not fly. Maybe in the 11.1 patch, as they add Need-For-Speed into WoW, Meat Wagon will be able to drift through Undermine.
And yet none of the features they promised and advertised for Reforged has still been added. Just visuals so I fail to see what makes 2.0 significant enough to even be 2.0.
On the one hand, it saddens me (not that I expect them to fix anything) since this game had so much soul put in to it. On the other, I'm glad redditors get this piece of garbage for giving blizzard money and living in an echo chamber.
I tried to find what multiplayer modes are in reforged, but there is no information on official website Everything about those remasters is lazy and lacks art direction.
I thought you weren't going to talk about WC1 Remaster, something you forgot is that they didn't do anything for the map editor, nor 8 player multiplayer, making the first game from 1994 not age well. Something that wasn't the case with C&C and Red Alert 1 remaster at EA, and AoE 1 and 2 at Microsoft. It's really a rip off but just appreciate it, let's hope we get some DLC fixing some things that don't match up in WC1 and 3 more than anything.
Absolute scum move on Blizzard's part. The WC3 "Refunded" debacle only gets worse. They will take my 1.27b and 1.30 copies of the game from my cold, dead hands.
Thannnnnks ! First I was like where the fck is the Classic HD but, oh yes, Blizzard and AI shits... They need to "really work " for once on the graphics...
Damn, am I lucky I made backup .iso copies of my War3 ROC and TFT CDs, back in the day. Yikes😬 Just blocking my classic clients from going online do the trick, I guess...
@@Gym_firebrand If you have your Reign or Chaos CD key, you can install 1.31 which is the last patch before Reforged. That's my go to patch and I always make my custom campaigns on that patch
Huh I didn't pay much attention to the new art to notice that it was a recreation of the original masterpieces sam created. And the icons XD I laughed hard at the peasant icon , lol I was wondering what became of the classic HD footage they showed in the event well guess we got laughed at by blizzard for how many times now? You could recreate the warcraft 2 intro but its about reforged with "six years have passed since warcraft 3 reforged" and poke fun at blizzard for this. Still disappointed by the wc2 remaster I was having orbital levels of excitement for it I want to play wc2 but problem is wc2 isn't a good game to play , as such personally I decided to work on a mod that reworks wc2 balance giving each unit a unique attribute to distinguish them from their counterpart how hard it is to do something like this blizzard? Is spamming ogre mages fun? Hell no it gets boring fast so much potential wasted they could have also made missions harder since apparently missions are bugged , expanded missions , made you play as all 7 orc clans and 7 human nations for example battle of crestfall you will play as kul tiras and in the dun algaz offensive you play as stromgarde , also adding doodads to help make towns look like actual towns instead of randomly placed farms. There is a lot to polish in wc2 to make it worth the 15$ no blizzard deserves 0 money if you all want blizzard to care boycott it and pirate the game.
"Our gold mine has collapsed!"
"Oh no. It's too late. These assets have all been defected. They may look fine now, but it's a matter of time before they turn into the unmade."
I didn't expect anything from Blizzard, and they still managed to disappoint me
oh my that's much worse than i thought - it's border line criminal vandalism of the original art!
This is desecration of original artworks, first time in my life I feel offended just by looking at something.
So they just put the entire franchise into an AI mess; and it didnt even come out great yet they proceeded to sell it anyways. Very very disrespectful
Ye I just refunded it again
@@Technasma Warcraft III Re-Refunded
I mean - it's better than reforged before, still needs like a 6 years to be considered a good remake, but they're slowly getting there :P
I'm glad they improved menu screen, brought back battlenet chat and improved game lobbies and ladder (in my opinion).
That being said - ofc. I'm pissed off they used AI to upscale the art. It's so cheap. They are a company worth billions (owned by a company worth as much, who knows how much blizzard only is worth but whatever - you get the point).
It feels so much worse knowing that there are some people out there who know what changes are necessary, but are not given enough resources to do so. They are not some small indie studio, they can hire ONE artist to remake those icons, they can hire maybe a few more to remake all of the assets - and it's still too much for them.
Respect to those guys who worked with code itself, since QoL features seem nice.
@@Murloc017 agreed.
I love you so much for showcasing this! Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
I am the user that uploaded my finds in the promotional art on that Imgur link, then on Reddit!
My point wasn't that Blizzard was wrong specifically for using AI art, but that they did it in the cheapest way possible.
All they needed was a person to check mistakes and another to paint over some inconsistencies and they couldn't even do that!
Even if, as some people claim, this isn't AI art, but actually human drawn terrible art, isn't that exposing that Blizzard has absolutely no quality control?
@@zenmaster3979 I added your Reddit username as well. Thank you so much for your post. Can't wait to see what Samwise thinks of this. I think it would be funny if the AI gave trolls 3 fingers and an artist "corrected" them to 5. I would like to give you a handshake with my five fingered Tauren hand!
Holy fuck. I'm so glad I came across this video, I had no idea the games were riddled with AI to this extent. It was clear that the new visuals for I and II were just AI slop, but holy fuck it's so much worse. I'm definitely not spending money on this hot garbage that they couldn't even spare a couple of artists to redraw the stuff. It's insane that BLIZZARD of all companies went so low for something related to their main franchise. This industry really went to hell.
No. Even if it'd be good, no. No money for Blizzard, no trust for Blizzard. The moment they rolled-out Reforged and I found my cherished WC3 account and custom map collection mutilated and destroyed, I've been done with Blizzard. No turning back.
That's why I make all my campaigns for classic 1.31.1. They can't do anything about it since the installer has been archived and unless you click the wrong exe, it will never update to Reforged
@xetanth87 unfortunately by that time I've lost my phys copies and my pc did not even have a disc drive, so I got shafted utterly and completely.
they do belong to blizzard now,which isnt great,but they made a good thing now.
@@nightmares0122 sure they will...
I knew something was off in the art, when I saw the Paladin's Hammer at 2:23 in-game. The hammer is gigantic, and has awful proportions compared to the original Didier's art at 2:29.
Also, good call at the Warcraft 1 Icons at 4:05, I really noticed that "Peasant" portrait was look awfully greedy comparing to the friendly folks that gather our gold.
One more thing I heard about the remasters is that the icons don't have the original size. They used to be taller.
I was hoping for better controls: Queuing for unit orders and training, tab-selection, auto-cast and more.
Wc1 definitely got right click functionality and I love it. Wc2 jumped from 9 to 12 units and that's it. Other stuff: clicking on icons to select a unit from your group, space to center on notif, selecting multiple buildings, multi/smart-casting, hotkey change, multiplayer for Wc1, map editor for Wc1
This was due to the aspect ratio, hopefully they patch this atrocity
How to fix the WC1 aspect ratio for now? 20% vertical stretch gonna work?
@@r.d.6290by downloading the original and using DOSBOX-Staging
Right when I had my hopes up. I should've learned from the first reforged announcement. The AI art is absolutely despicable and such an insult to Samwise.
My thoughts exactly. His opinion on AI art is very clear and his art being done so dirty is disgusting
On the bright side, remasters are worth it, having warcraft 1 and 2 playable on a modern rig with QoL features is nice and you can press F5 in the game to switch to original assets + the bundle comes with the original games (for those who really don't want nothing to do with remaster), while warcraft 3 with reforged graphics was finally optimised, I couldn't play it before with more than 20-30 fps, now I have constant 60 and they finally fixed that mess of a main menu that they had before.
Pretty sure they are going to fix those assets fuck ups in the future, I doubt they can do anything about the corrupted goldmine since it's literally model swapping, but the icons and textures should be adjusted.
Despite this nitpicking, I am glad they are at least doing something about warcraft RTS games.
God, the butchering of this game just continues to get worse and worse. Its such a lazy effort and the finally affect makes the entire game look cheap. Its so bad, I'd rather they go back to abandoning the game again.
Imagine paying blizzard money in 2024.
You either are new to games or have no self respect.
for me its the latter
@@jd_27 : |
Same here. I have zero self respect. My Mother always tells me she wish she strangled me when I was born. 🙂
@@jd_27 Same. Unfortunately I am "satisfied" enough to buy the battlechest. Shame on me I guess.
@@Subtogger same here. Feels a bit like having an ONS with a 300 pound woman in her 50s. When you make the deal, you think better than nothing, but you still feel disgusted afterwards.
One thing Blizzard successfully upscales every year is their lazyness. So they have actually experience.....have no idea how this could go wrong.
I know it's nitpicking but 4:37 even the door handle is on the wrong side of the door.
To play Devils Advocate the door can be placed either way they probbly moved the door handle to the other side to make sure that detail is still seen even after adding some depth to the door way.
The door is the least problem there if you notice the original had shadows around the house, AI interpreted it as moss. Cheap shit.
Warcraft 1 straight up looks like Kingdom Rush. xD It can't be that hard to do it right.
Warcraft 1 TD Edition when?
Modern Blizzard... Never fails to disappoint.
I truly hate Blizzard
After their remasters for War1 and War2 I hate them too. These people should leave gamedev industry.
So if we had NO AI in 2024 we wouldn't get a Warcraft 3 reforged 2.0 patch, got it. This is shameful and lazy from Blizzard especially after making a great remaster with diablo 2
D2's remaster wasn't made by Blizzard, which is telling of the difference between Vicarious Visions' work compared to this in-house AI disaster.
@@sig5750 who made it?
@@admiral7266 Vicarious Visions, which later got absorbed into Blizzard proper, I think.
@@sig5750 the people who remade the crash trilogy, if only blizzard got them to do a remake of wc3 too lol
Welp. Cautious optimism that things were gonna get better replaced with reality
Im glad I still have my last version of Warcraft 3 backed up before reforged was a thing so I can never EVER give Blizzard money ever again
@@darkwingduke1631 You can always install 1.31, the last patch before Reforged if you have a RoC CD key
@@xetanth87 Aye thats the one I got! I got it backed up nice and cozy without the battlenet attachment and Im happy
Thank you. I was hearing Grubby praise the patch but honestly nothing sits right with me. I dug up my old CDs and reinstalled it. Guess what, the entire thing is 30 GIGABITES. This is absurd.
The way they did Reforged 2.0 is even more awful and shame than actual Reforged. Yet, what is hilarious, RF2.0 looks like "improved" clickbate and false promises. Blizzard does not reforged the game, but the failure of this idea.
Uther: This game holds your companies honor Blizzard, what? Were you hoping to piss on it one last time before you left it's community to rot ?
Blizzard: haha I didn't know what it held, it doesn't matter though, give me your money 🤑
I would also point out they literally add one QoL for Warcraft 2: 12 unit selection (instead of "unlimited" selection from Starcraft 2)
and literally two QoL for Warcraft 1: 12 unit selection and right click to move.
They should add much, much more (rally points, recruitment queue etc.).
They also messed up with few animations for Warcraft 2 (death knight has move frames inside of idle animation etc.)
Attack+move doesn't work properly in Warcraft 1.
They removed multiplayer option from Warcraft 1 and downgraded multiplayer options in Warcraft 2 (ladder removed, private games removed, accounts and stats removed).
And the funny part: they ask money for that.
Yeah I noticed the DK staff too. And no Wc1 MP? That would have been so cool. Wc1 is such an unique experience so I would have loved if they added PvP and even team games to it
2 qol maybe
Many many many other demastered elements.
Beyound a dissapointment
@@xetanth87 Agree! They should not cut off Wc1 MP, but increased it up to 8 players, just like in Wc2.
They are not an indie company, they can improve game from 1995 with few features
They just keep digging their own grave
they can't draw 500x500 jpegs?
@@feferson492 they can't pay people to draw them*
they dont want to spend money on artists, that's whats up
Such an insult for the Warcraft RTS they will rot in plains of hell .. they butchered everything the old 20 years of this just to celebrate what ? their ignorence and lack of vision / Quality
they are dead to me if Metzen can watch what they have done to the WC-RTS's i don't know how he can sleep at night knowing that ur old work gets destroyed in just 4 years...
"I hope they have a special place in hell"...because right now they deserve all the hate they can get..
Microsoft bought them out and now it looks like they want the franchise to die
And I got my hopes up...
Thank god my skepticalism, video proves my fears right, thank you
WC1 I think is the only one worth it. It looks a little different in the upscale but still good IMO. The upgrades in 2 & 3 are not enough. Should have had troops queing and rally points. I've heard you can hotkey the barracks though
I honestly like this patch since it fixed alot of problems.
Though I still think the concept art reforged stuff looks way better than wtf they settled with in the finalization...
@@subscriber101able yeah but harder for lazy Blizz to actually implement
Demn, I miss original so much more now...
Corrupted Blizzard
Why did i even give myself hope
I thought the WC3 icons in the beginning was a joke until the truth slowly started to creep in..
I already have low expectations to this as they have the audacity to resell WC3R despite not fixing it, and now it has AI in it?!!
Just WoW pun intended, good job as always Blizz for nvr ceased to amaze us with this disappointment... 🤣
And for Meat Wagon - thanks, I guess?.. I already have it from 2019 and sadly its useless cause it does not fly. Maybe in the 11.1 patch, as they add Need-For-Speed into WoW, Meat Wagon will be able to drift through Undermine.
And now you can only get it and spoils of War through the BattleChest. Meaning they are forcing people to buy the remasters if they want the mount
Not to mention they claimed to fix the issue with the game not launching on Mac devices, and it still just doesn't work.
And yet none of the features they promised and advertised for Reforged has still been added. Just visuals so I fail to see what makes 2.0 significant enough to even be 2.0.
OG STANDALONE INSTALLERS WE WIN YET AGAIN
On the one hand, it saddens me (not that I expect them to fix anything) since this game had so much soul put in to it. On the other, I'm glad redditors get this piece of garbage for giving blizzard money and living in an echo chamber.
And yet Diablo got such love, wonder how long before we'll actually get what we want
I'm so glad I still have the original CDs at my parents house
I tried to find what multiplayer modes are in reforged, but there is no information on official website Everything about those remasters is lazy and lacks art direction.
I can't comment on the wc3 2.0 update, since i can no longer run the game on win7.
Blizzard lost its soul since the original devs left the company
I thought you weren't going to talk about WC1 Remaster, something you forgot is that they didn't do anything for the map editor, nor 8 player multiplayer, making the first game from 1994 not age well.
Something that wasn't the case with C&C and Red Alert 1 remaster at EA, and AoE 1 and 2 at Microsoft.
It's really a rip off but just appreciate it, let's hope we get some DLC fixing some things that don't match up in WC1 and 3 more than anything.
3:26 DAM YES! I also saw this and it’s strange, because on screenshot it’s like CLASSIC PLUS, but patch 2.0 IS NOT.
Absolute scum move on Blizzard's part. The WC3 "Refunded" debacle only gets worse. They will take my 1.27b and 1.30 copies of the game from my cold, dead hands.
Yeesh. Using campaign heros in melee is cool but thats like....the only good thing about this.
Even if it isn't AI, it looks awful. A modicum of effort blizzard, that's all we really want.
Yeah for me war 1/2 have fcked save and dont remeber progress and for some reason war2 pause itself randomly
Refunded
Thannnnnks ! First I was like where the fck is the Classic HD but, oh yes, Blizzard and AI shits... They need to "really work " for once on the graphics...
Damn, am I lucky I made backup .iso copies of my War3 ROC and TFT CDs, back in the day. Yikes😬
Just blocking my classic clients from going online do the trick, I guess...
You know that I am not even bothered anymore. Modern Blizzard is a failure.
Bringing so much hate on Blizzard is not gonna help, some time later gaming industries will follow that path too on using AI.
damn, i thought theyre doing something right here
The game was fine! Gotta buy an external cdrw now to play my cdrom
@@Gym_firebrand If you have your Reign or Chaos CD key, you can install 1.31 which is the last patch before Reforged. That's my go to patch and I always make my custom campaigns on that patch
Don't even own reforged and they fucked with my version of the game as well whaat the fuck blizz.....
Roll back now!
🤣 Fool's and their Shekels have parted. AI can work miracle's but bad Dev's can never make it work.
Thankfully, they did not butcher Diablo 2 ressurrected.
Huh I didn't pay much attention to the new art to notice that it was a recreation of the original masterpieces sam created.
And the icons XD I laughed hard at the peasant icon , lol I was wondering what became of the classic HD footage they showed in the event well guess we got laughed at by blizzard for how many times now?
You could recreate the warcraft 2 intro but its about reforged with "six years have passed since warcraft 3 reforged" and poke fun at blizzard for this.
Still disappointed by the wc2 remaster I was having orbital levels of excitement for it I want to play wc2 but problem is wc2 isn't a good game to play , as such personally I decided to work on a mod that reworks wc2 balance giving each unit a unique attribute to distinguish them from their counterpart how hard it is to do something like this blizzard? Is spamming ogre mages fun? Hell no it gets boring fast so much potential wasted they could have also made missions harder since apparently missions are bugged , expanded missions , made you play as all 7 orc clans and 7 human nations for example battle of crestfall you will play as kul tiras and in the dun algaz offensive you play as stromgarde , also adding doodads to help make towns look like actual towns instead of randomly placed farms.
There is a lot to polish in wc2 to make it worth the 15$ no blizzard deserves 0 money if you all want blizzard to care boycott it and pirate the game.
you right about something
Common, blizzard is dead company. What do u want from it, after all shit they do
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Not worth it AT ALL!
Still too little too late
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