How to Get the Guitar Sound of The Shadows or Hank Marvin
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- Finally, a Video showing how to get the Guitar Sound of the Shadows' Lead Guitarist, Hank Marvin by only using 2 Digital Delays.
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We just played through a Watkins tape echo back in the mid 60s to mid 70s, still have and use my Watkins today, good old analogue echo.
Two delay units definitely is a must for the sound heard in palm muted pieces like in Apache, Atlantis and Wonderful Land, whether this effect is done through MIDI, digital pedals or analog amps. However what I found useful for the normal sound is using one delay unit set offbeat, and use a reverb unit with pre-delay set longer than 0.5 seconds and a lot off decay while not cutting any lows or mids for the sake of ambience. If possible, boost the high-mid frequencies to get more warmth in the sound. It's pretty fun experimenting with the sound yourself, in example using the reverb before the delay effect gets you completely different echo effects. If you have the knowledge and equipment, using a Digital Audio Workstation can greatly help you get an insight in what effects to use without having to go out and buy expensive hardware. I use my low powered practice amp, wire it through my studio computer through line-in and send it to my '81 Pioneer amp.
In the 60s I used a Klempt Echolette ! I think it had at least 5 heads, but don't quote me on that! One thing that I do remember was making sure to carry spare looped tapes! I learnt the hard way, when the tape broke mid-show! Things may be different these days, but when you are doing Shadows songs, you just had to have tape delay of some sort! It was the time!
The trick with Hank Marvin's sound is the Meazzi Echo which is basically a drum coated in iron oxide, spinning and the signal hits 4 tape heads creating the multi tap, rhythmic sound. Catalinbread has a pedal that does this called the Echorec. The Boss RE20 Space Echo is another unit that mimics the multi-tap sound of multiple heads. With the cost of 2 delays you could just by an Echorec or the Space Echo and save yourself the headache of trying to use 2 delay pedals.
I use Strymon Volante instead, it's much easier.
The Meazzi Hank first used was a Tape one and had a Halo effect, The Binson was a drum unit. Vox later sold the Meazzi in the UK with their name on it.
The key it to use a delay unit that has some sort of 'Gain' volume control as you need that to drive the sound, most pedals don't have that 'lift' and often the signal is reduced not boosted. Also, studio reverb was added at Abbey road where they had an echo chamber they blended in to the dry sound.
Hi,
Thank you so much for that demo, I was trying to mimic Hank's sound for so long but now I'm sure my sound will improve much more thanks to you.
Eran
I agree, Brian. I run my zoom g2 1nu with Charlie's patches through an old Watkins Dominator amp turned up high to get those valves (tubes) really working and get lovely Shadows' sounds. The missing factor, as with everybody else, is of course, Hank's fingers!
I have two Boss digital delays. I assume they will do the job?
I also want to thank you very much for the terrific job you have done in this demonstration video. It's detail and the audio examples of the Shadows hits was an added bonus!
well i think youve done a great job there just spent three hours with my black star delay and echo in my fender super champ and thanks ive got it sounding about right have a great day thanks
its not a bad sound, quite pleasant. It isnt that "hank'sound but I have been to a few Shadows clubs and vaery rarely does anyone get the sound spot on because its basically impossible to sound exactly the same as Hank. The Zoom G2 is a good cheap alternative and produces a nice sound with the right amp. The Alesis Q2 is good if you are going to be in a band and can afford it. Personally I use the G2 with a Vox amp and I'm pretty happy with the sound I get nowadays
Dear Sir: thank you for your answers. I would like to know whic unit are you using right now. Kindest Regards. Carlos
I use the"atlantis guitar echo", made in Belgium, specially to get the Shadows sound. It was not cheap (approx € 1000,00) but it's very easy to use. Built in are 7 echo- chambers: Watkins copycat, Vox Domino,Vox long tom, Meazzi PA 304, Binson Baby Echo,Binson Export, Binson Echorec 2. For most of the Shadows songs, you only have to change the selection knob (1-12) In the manual is a list of nearly all the Shadows hits + wich of the 12 selections to choose.
As I said: very easy !!!
A thousand euro for an fx unit!!! Bonkers! Gotta check it out tho
during those days, they used the meazzi echo rep tape, if I guessed it right, they used 2 tapes echos similar to the settings I did here
It sound so good, can you tell me what kind of guitar and amp and any other gear you are using with the model number so that could go and buy it ---- thanks
This is sounding better than an Alesis or a magicstomp. Those machines often sound to "tinny".
Thank you!
Regards,
Henk
You can use 2 same boss effects. I just used different boss effects because those are the effects available to me at this time just for demo purposes. You can also use compressor to improve the sound. For the pick up, it depends on the song.
Where do you live allan. ?
Wich country ?
Thanks! You got a lot of nice gears there. Alesis Q10 and Vox AC30 are the equipment used by Hank. I will try to catch your gig. Thank you very much for your invitation!
With a single Yamaha pedal Magicstomp, and patches of EFTP (Charlie Hal)l, you can get the real echoes of Hank Marvin (with "bounces"that are his signature). On this pedal, thirty programs can instantly get the right settings. Cost: about $ 200 with EFTP
very interesting your demos,,,,,,,
thank you,
tonio
Hi
In your video demo you show delay and delay 2 , they actually appear to be connected the other way round , can you clarify this please.
regards
Very nice, well explained - but: to get the REAL HM sound you will have to put on heavy gauge strings with a wound "g" string - in those days ('50s & '60s) there was no such thing like rock 'n roll light or extra light gauge strings, so get a set of 12s roundwounds and tell me the news...and don't forget to adjust the vibrato (or tremolo)
Correct,mate,but old age comes with Arthritic fingers,that cannot bend 12's like they did in 1959-on,so it has to be 9's,which sound a lot thinner,but we have to accept that which life throws at us,and if we canna bend a 12,then it has to be a 9!!..and just enjoy what we have left of life!![and THAT'S one thing that all of us are gonna face....it's just a matter of time!!]....keep picking y'all!
Thanks for that! I am 70....
Go for Boss Digital Delay models like DD-3 or later version. Boss has the best sounding delay effect in the market eventhough they are a lot more expensive than other brands.
Don't laugh,but I have spent £60 on TWO Behringer dr400's,and linked up,they are great for this ripple effect...don't know how they would stand up to stage use.....well I DO..if it was me that used them on stage ,cos I treat all my gear with the utmost respect!
I still have the guitar lead which was supplied to me when I bought my Fender Custom Shop Strat,in 1978,and it has never had a new plug to be fitted,and hangs straight as a die!!
My Strat and Vox AC30 are as new...after 41 years!
SO,for bedroom or home studio use,these delay pedals do the job,AND they have Reverb,and Tap-Tempo built in.
Of course,if you can afford them,go for the Boss units ,I agree with you Al!!
@kapailunch2 to be honest I think you would have to get the list of setting from someone or check the settings against another EFTP 508, There is no special program on them or anything so sophisticated it is just programmed to a close sound using the available parameters. I used to have them written out but since no longer using the 508
I no longer needed them and gave them to a local fellow Shadmad guitarist who has since passed away a couple of years ago. Sorry that I couldn't be more help
Well explained.........
If and when my copycat dies...this is the way to go.
Hank was using Echo Box with Vox ac30
Good video
Additional I think that when one of the delaymachines has an analog circuit it will be a bit more closer to the HM sound. No need to buy Q20 or Magicstomp however they have the possibility to make presets.
Henk
I see that the 2 Boss sound modules are different while you recommand to use 2 exact delay modules, do you use other effects to setup the sound?
Do you recoomand to have 2 exact Boss delay modules, bridge pickup, and no other sound effect like compressor etc'?
Allan Raymond, well done. Sure we'd all love to have tape echoes & echo chambers but for the majority of guitarists, that's unrealistic. Great effort on getting it pretty close with the 2 Boss DD's. Having the right guitar & amp also helps as well, btw U forgot to show your amp. ;)
As told to me by Randy Bachman 1967: Buy a tape recorder and wait until it breaks. Use this to get my echo sound (Hank Marvin)
hello alan,
to get the multiply echo, needing two echos, most echos dont have the multiply effects, or you have to program it like f.i. with the alesis quadraverb 2
cheers, tonio
Yeah that is the problem, the alesis quadraverb 2 is not readily available in music stores, specially here in the philippines. Thanks!
That was great!! thank you!!..Could I get the same sound & effect with using my 'Boss DD 20 Delay pedal??..Or should I go buy 2 Boss DD-3 Delay pedals??..Cheer's, Thanks once again, Kindest regards, Doc J in Surfers Paradise, Qld, Australia
This is not bad at all. But since the 60's , I always used 2 Echocord (Tube/tape delay) And I have the Hank sound. When I said that 2 or 3 years ago on a Shadows Yahoo group, everybody was laughing at me. But I was and I am still right. 2 Echo delays. One for the reverb and one for the echo (Repetiotions. Never more than 2 repetitions) Altalantis is great, but not build anymore! I also use a Zoom RFX2000 + a Spring reverb.To reproduce Abbey Road sound. And a custom Strat
Guy
Mec-Op-Singers
Brilliant. I'm hoping my G1xon effects unit has the digital reverb and Pitch shifter delay so I can try this out
hi allen i have a Boss DD7 what Boss pedals are you using? i love the hank marvin sound
I must ad mit this is really good .all most as good as the real deal eftp close very close .yoyr idea would have been ideal for me when i first started playing years ago. But the real deal is the eftp patches but your extreamly close well done
Vintage AC15 + Meazzi Echo + Good Sounding Strat = Hank Marvin
some reverb and most inportant good 10 band equalizer
With reference to your demo: HOW TO GET THE GUITAR SOUND OF THE SHADOWS OR HANK MARVIN - YOU TUBE,
I'd like to know, if possible, the full composition of your "carring BOX BCS-06.I have two Boss digital delays. I assume they will do the job?
hi... what are the echo timings of the two pedals?
Just like in the video, I just listen and turn the dial until I get the right sound.
@@pinoyshadowsventures okay great
hi do you have to use boss delays or can it be other brands??
+Chris St i was wondering if the behringer delays would work as well?
Thank you. Congratulations.
Allan, i have 2 analog delay, an MXR carbon copy and an Artec...pwede ba silang i-match para sa shadows tunes na 'yan? Thanx Bro...
Zoom 508, Yamaha Magicstomp, Roland space Echo 201-301-501,
Zoom Rfx 2000, Zoom RFX 2200, Alesis Q2 -Q20, Watkins tape Echo.
Any of the above will help you get the right Echo for that "Hank Sound"
but I'm sorry you will never get it using fixed rate pedals where you a number of repeats and a speed control because alot of the shadows echoes have gaps in the Echo, Example:- Apache echo would look like... X X X with a space
Please don't think Im being horrible.. I just know what Im talking about
Could you reach the same sounds as this using say a Line 6 POD 2.0 is there anyone out there familiar with setting say the POD up to do this or is it impossible unless you are using say two Boss Pedals similar to what this guy is using in his excellent demonstration?
Good Video I like it.
If I thanked you the past for this well THANKS AGAIN!
This is really great & I'm trying to get the same (or similar) sound using the AmpKit app. Anyone has any ideas?
It's a great, and very helpful video !
Hello allan..if you want the alesis Q2.. i can deliver one to you..of course with patches
I appreciate the offer, thank you. Currently, I don’t need it. Unless you would give it to me as a gift. Haha
@@pinoyshadowsventures wonderfulland of yours is not do good..always need the first 3 replay heads to get the roll moving
Cheers tonio
@robinlincs just buy 2 digital delays and follow the demo here. Any brand will do.
This is brilliant
Thanks for the video man. Sounds great but what happened to the shadventures website? I couldn`t find it
Really a nice and cheap solution.. whats the guitar...?? mexican ??
would this set up work with a dd3 and dd7 or are they two similar?
Sorry for the super late reply. Yes it will still work with dd3 and dd7
Do you ever get to play in Cebu City ?
Hank uses an Alesis Q20 programmed with Echoes From The Past by Charlie Hall. Much simpler and more accurate to get a Zoom RFX2000 or Alesis Quad with EFTP. If you can find a Q20 and have about £800 to spare thats the thing to get. Also has the wow & flutter built in. The taps on this set up are wrong...
@ib422000 yes, they will do the same exact effect. I hope this video helped a lot.
Al,I am a bit late in catching up with you,but many thanks for your video,and suggestion.I have played Hank and the Shadows ever since they released Apache, both at home,and on stage,but could never afford the gear that Hank used,the nearest was a beaten up second-hand Watkins Copicat,which everybody used in those days![even Hank!!].So now I have that elusive ripple thanks to you my Friend!!
superb!!
I have a Fender Mustang 2 Amp and I can get the sound of the Vox AC30 but that don't quite get it either. I also use a Boss DD7 and a Compressor. I have read all sorts of instructions and interviews and its like some of these guitar players won't share anything with you cause they're afraid you're gonna steal it or something. Even Hank Marvin himself tells how he got his sound on You Tube. He used an Echo and Delay and I'm sure some of the things have changed over the years. I've only had one guy email me and tell me exactly how he got Hank Marvin's sound and I've lost it since then otherwise I would be more than glad to share it with everybody that is interested. If anybody has the answer on how to get Hank Marvin's sound would you please share it with me?
+Rj Jones - His sound was always analogue echo, now programmed into a digital unit. There are multiple echo sounds, and guitars, and string gauges [go heavy 11-49 will help, hit hard with a pointed pick] , using 9's is useless. Hank uses different guitars on stage for different tunes , one will be 10-46. but it doesn't matter. Whatever amps, guitars, and effects you have, no-one can play, just like Hank. Get a sound you like, and just enjoy playing
+Abl Whitfield i disagree most of my shadows videos im using 9 gauge strings and the sound is there
I have played one of Hank's guitars. He has 3 for his stage work, uses nothing less than 10's, and heavier for songs like Apache. You may disagree, but I'm in the business, and have first hand knowledge, from his tech. Listen to the old recordings on cd with headphones.
@@ablwhitfield5537 Spot-on mate,I have to use 9's cos of arthritis in my hands,but my advice is also to get as near as you can afford and just enjoy it....but the Vox is an important part of Hank's sound,I use an original AC30 TOP BOOST REVERB..[TBR..1980-s],also a Vox D.A.C.9 watt solid state..[about £90 a few years ago..],a very rare Vox A.C.1..[1 watt...and fits in your pocket!],and the little Vox A.C.30 Amplug,which is a micro-amp,with built in effects such as reverb,delay,overdrive,chorus,and tremelo.
These little amps cost about £30 or so,and have a great sound in your headphones,with an Aux [line-in] input so you can play along to backing tracks from your M.P.3 player,or like me,use an old Minidisc player to which I have recorded Goran Tangrin's great backing tracks.I also have had first-hand advice from meeting Hank at various times.
These days,no-one needs to struggle with no gear like I had to do in 1959..when decent gear,even a Futurama 3,was too expensive for me to afford...in 1959...at 15 yrs old,and earning £4-00 a week...before offtakes!!
hello alan,
buy it on Ebay, resently the where 2
Q2'"s for sale on ebay,
cheers, tonio
hi allan! i like this informative share. thanks so much!
haha ayos na ayos to very informative!!salamat!!!!!
I use a 66' Fender Super Reverb amp and a 69' Fender Strat with medium gauge strings(ernie ball) that sound pretty close to Hanks sound.
Zabardast cheers from Toronto.....
fantastic demo superthank you very very much greetings jan
Fantastic!!!! Thanks!!!!!!
@pinoyshadowsventures
Just buy a alesis Q2, is not so expensive, the sound is the same as the Q20
cheers, tonio
thanks ayway, i enjoy your sound
you can try gt10 to simulate the settings.
Not sure how to configure it.
very similar!!
No reverb or sustain effect ?
Good info...thanks for posting :)
its a nice atempt though but your correct im using the zoomG2 u1 i must say though this kid is close just not close enough
Close will have to do, then!
very nice!!! thanks a lot!!
This is as close as you get if you dont have much budget for an Alesis Q20. :)
will a line6 pod be able to do it?
If you can set 2 delays at the same time, you can.
i have the pod xt live and you will not get the correct delay as it hasnt got multihead/ multitap etc.i run an alesis quad plus with eftp alongside the pod. pod is a good all round unit which i use for other effects, but the quad wins hands down delay wise with charlie halls patches
@sasuke5th
Hi, I have the Zoom 508, how can I ensure that it's programed correctly to shadows
Actually the Meazzi Echomatic 1 J had 6 heads, the Echomatic F had 5 heads. The Meazzi/Vox Echomatic 2 had 4 heads. It's all about the heads kids.
SERIOUSLY YOU NEED A BENSON ECHO UNIT TO CLOSELY SOUND LIKE THE GREATEST GUITAR GROUP "THE SHADOWS" of ENGLAND.
We hope you can camcord your performance in hard rock cafe and upload it here in youtube.
Hellp do you still have you site going?
I tried the G1. It sounds not so good.
@pinoyshadowsventures May be it can do in the normal playing , but for the muted it is far from the truth , better use a computer and VST's effects
er is maar 1 digitaal aparaat die in de buurt komt dat is de atlantis echo,dit geluid is veel te iel,not the real shadow sound!!
Dan electro will not work. I tried it.
The brand is Boss?
That web site is no longer running. I just tried it.
Thank you - interesting
Hi can anyone tell me what echos are being used on this demonstration
thank s alan
does anyone know how to setup Amplitube 3 to get the hank marvin sound?
Que bonito, que ganas de adquirir uno, imagino que ha de se muy caro.
Thank you! :)
good stuff......
Great video. But it sounds like your strings are sticking in the guitars nut.
Interesting!
Can I jus say you got the echo timeing to much I thought it did sound right to me
no they wont lol to get correct hank sound you need EFTP echos from the past patches by charlie hall charlie hall worked with hank this is good a close but sadly not close enough but its a nice try
Dear Friend: you should go to the site ECHOES FROM THE PAST, and there you will find the patches made from GEORGE STRACHAM, for free. Just google it and you will get it.Kind regards.Carlos
I don't think this is quite right. Almost but not quite. There is too much stuff going on with these 2 delays. The closest one I've heard is by Stratshadow here on You Tube and all he will tell you is what he is using. He won't give out no settings.
I just stalked that. What I personally hear from "Stratshadows" Apache version more than 10 Years ago, is that he nailed the sound and played the tune very well ( probably using his cheap small Digitech RP 50, that he mentioned in another video ). So when it comes to the delay setting, there seems just a simple "single head" triplet delay going on (-RP50 isn´t capable of much more). That means: Even if someone can´t have that nerdly elaborated galloping rippled multihead craziness of delay - he still can sound great and really close enough. It seems like always: Right Musicianship is Boss. Exact equipment & right settings are just icing on the cake. Cheers Marsson242
how about a old fashiond watkins echo chamber