Love this series. Whenever I hear about an author having a spat with a booktuber on-line and how seriously it is taken, I get a small smile and think about your series. Thank you for your informative video.
How are you doing mr Brian . Thank you for your wonderful cultural channel. We appreciate your great efforts as foreigners subscribers as overseas students want to increase our cultural level improve our English language as well and literature lovers too. I gathered key points about topics you mentioned briefly here it’s first of all i will mention short biographies of two famous American authors and their conflict of interest just main points. Sinclair Lewis ( 1885 - 1951 ) he was American writer , playwright . He became first author from USA ( first from America) to receive Nobel prize in literature, which was awarded for his vigorous and graphic art of description and his ability to create new types of characters. Lewis wrote six popular novels ( Main Street) , Babbitt, Dodsworth, it cant happen here , he impacted the world because he used vivid details to create scenes of American Middle class . His social satire was critical of American life and certain types of Americans. Theodore Dreiser ( 1871- 1945 ) he was American novelist and journalist of naturalist school. His novels often featured main characters who scuceeded at their objective despite lack of firm moral code , literary situations that more closely resemble studies on naturel than tales of choices agency . Dreiser best known novels included Sister Carrie, American tragedy. He was leading figure in natural literary movement that replaced observance of Victoria nation of property with unflinching presentation of real. Life subject. His novels explore new social problems that arisen in rapidly industrializing America.
Really interesting to hear about another Minnesota boy, and two authors I have really enjoyed. Lewis was from Sauk Centre, which is roughly 100 miles NW of the Twin Cities. If I went back home, I'd love to visit his boyhood home. I love seeing where authors started out in life. Thanks Brian.
For me, this discussion is especially interesting since I binge read these two authors in my 20’s. Dreiser’s novels,” Sister Carrie” and “An American Tragedy” were favorites of mine. An American Tragedy (as opposed to “the American Dream”) probably could have benefited from tighter editing however, the plot which was inspired by real life events was top notch. Lewis’s Nobel Prize (and Pulitzer) was well deserved. In “Main Street”, “Babbitt”, “Elmer Gantry”, “Arrowsmith” presented many aspects of American society in the early 20thC. In 2021, I read for the first time, Lewis’ extremely satirical novel “It Can’t Happen Here”. When Lewis wrote it in 1935 it was said to be somewhat based on the political career of Huey Long and his supporters, however, reading it in 2021 can put quite a different slant on it. The novel is remarkably prescient about pre-WW2 events as well as ongoing US political divides. Some of the scenarios in the book were probably developed from information he learned from his wife, Dorothy Thompson. She did interview Hitler in the 1930’s, he did not like what she wrote so she was the first American reporter deported from Germany.] You may enjoy reading “Last Call at the Hotel Imperial: The Reporters Who Took on the World at War” by Deborah Cohen (2021). It includes info about Dorothy Thompson and her contemporaries who reported on European politics in the 1930’s.
Thanks for the recommendation. Last Call at the Hotel Imperial sounds like a great book. I think Dorothy Thompson wrote a book about her encounter with Hitler called "I Saw Hitler" I think. It Can't Happen Here is probably the only Lewis novel I am interested in reading at this point. I read Arrowsmith and about half of Main Street and I didnt like either, but It Cant Happen Here has that cool prescience thing. Thanks Mary.
I enjoyed both author’s books but Sinclair Lewis was the better writer. I think Joan Didion said Dreiser had great epic stories - more a story teller though. The way Hurstwood’s life goes in Sister Carrie is heartbreaking. Olivier played the role in the movie .
I have never read Dreiser and I don't like Lewis's works very much, but both were important in the progress of American literature I think. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Last and most important part of my research article written by Edward Sorel 2020 both grew up in Midwest, both wrote novels that stewered patriarchal conformist . Towns were they were raised and both raised and shared distinctions of having churchmen condemn their books as immoral. They should have been friends , but by 1925 Theodore Dreiser “ American tragedy) was published, he and Sinclair Lewis were hoping to become first American to win Nobel prize in literature. Lewis had already produced “ Main Street “ in 1920 , than followed with Babbitt, Arrowsmith, Elmer, ban try and god worth before decade was even over in 1930 Prize . Year later Lewis his second wife journalist Dorothy Thomson attended banquet at newyork metropolitan club and Thompson and Dreiser had their own fraught history. They had recently taken tour of Russia as quests of soviet government when she returned to states , Thompson wrote series of articles about her trips in newyork evening post . These became part of her book new Russia when Dreiser book published month after her . She was shocked and discovered that he had lifted 3, 000 words from her articles . When her lawyer confronted Dreiser novelist made astounding suggestions that Thompson must have stolen his notes when she visited him in his hotel room in Berlin. At banquet Dorothy and Sinclair avoided Theodore, but when America new Nobel laureate was asked to say few words. Lewis stood up and announced. I feel disinclined to say things in presence of son of bitch who stole 3, 000 words from my wife book . After dinner Dreiser confronted in Lewis to repeat his accusations. When Lewis obliged Dreiser slapped his face , while by stander held Lewis limp arms , Dreiser challenged him to repeat his charge Lewis did and was slapped again at that point Dreiser was asked to leave and he did as fast as he could. Really pen is mightier than sword or we have similar Arabic proverb words cut deeper than knife . Ihope you like my research. Iam so sorry to be little long but reading and writing both are great ways to improve our English language as none native speakers. Good luck to you your family friends.
I really enjoy this series. Imagine being at the next table at that banquet! I think the only book I've read by either of these authors is Sister Carrie.
I just want to say that Elmer Gantry by Sinclair Lewis and especially An American Tragedy by Theodore Dreiser completely nailed the ugly side of American culture.
The implication of _her_ swiping _his_ notes was just too juicy. (On a serious note I’ve been fascinated about the story behind _Whose Names Are Unknown_ that I’ve been hearing about on Supposedly Fun.) I’ve never read either man’s work yet but I do have something by Lewis “primed and waiting” but definitely not a priority right now.
I have not enjoyed the limited amount of Lewis's work that I have read. Greg has done a great job with his Grapes of Wrath/ Whose Names Are Unknown videos.
Good one 🎉 I vaguely recall reading _An American Tragedy_ at Kent State in the 80s and Id like to reread it ... Im pretty ignorant about Lewis, to boot! 🤔💯😊
Dreiser is personally one of my favorite novelists, yet he can be a tough sale for the uninitiated. His prose can be clunky and awkward, but the way he writes about the cruelty of capitalism is unmatched. I would argue that he is still the standard in this regard. Please give 'Sister Carrie' a chance if you haven't already.
If I may offer one more attempt to sell Dreiser....he was a massive influence on Richard Wright. That's how I came to admire him. Thank you once again for your excellent content, Brian!
Thanks interesting. I read a lot of Lewis but that was decades ago. Drieser has been more recent. I really got into him and actually I think I read ALL of his published fiction. Actually read the final novel The Bulwark twice, the second time aloud with a girlfriend. Dreiser actually did join the Communist Party at the very end of his life in 1945.
Thanks for the info on Dreiser. I am not a fan of Lewis's work, but I have never read anything by Dreiser. Can you recommend a good place to start with his work?
Interesting. I haven't read either man. I wonder if the reason Sinclair didn't hold a grudge was because the fight was about a woman, and ultimately a woman didn't matter very much to him.
don't think ever read anything by lewis though know I should have did read dreiser's sister carrie and liked it also recall reading h l mencken essay on his work which he admired but also mocked for being ridiculously overwritten the punching incident reminds me of some of norman mailer's macho antics he head butted gore vidal just before they both went on dick cavett tv show but neither mentioned it during on-air haha
I definitely got Mailer v Vidal vibes from the Dreiser v Lewis episode. I’ve never read Dreiser (may try audio, but his books are so long!). I don’t really like Lewis from the 1 1/2,of his books that I have read.
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Love this series. It's like the best quality literary gossip.
Thank you Roz
Love this series. Whenever I hear about an author having a spat with a booktuber on-line and how seriously it is taken, I get a small smile and think about your series. Thank you for your informative video.
Thank you Angela.
I may do another series on just authors fights, whether they were over a book or not.
@@BookishTexan I'm sure that would be very interesting.
How are you doing mr Brian . Thank you for your wonderful cultural channel. We appreciate your great efforts as foreigners subscribers as overseas students want to increase our cultural level improve our English language as well and literature lovers too. I gathered key points about topics you mentioned briefly here it’s first of all i will mention short biographies of two famous American authors and their conflict of interest just main points. Sinclair Lewis ( 1885 - 1951 ) he was American writer , playwright . He became first author from USA ( first from America) to receive Nobel prize in literature, which was awarded for his vigorous and graphic art of description and his ability to create new types of characters. Lewis wrote six popular novels ( Main Street) , Babbitt, Dodsworth, it cant happen here , he impacted the world because he used vivid details to create scenes of American Middle class . His social satire was critical of American life and certain types of Americans. Theodore Dreiser ( 1871- 1945 ) he was American novelist and journalist of naturalist school. His novels often featured main characters who scuceeded at their objective despite lack of firm moral code , literary situations that more closely resemble studies on naturel than tales of choices agency . Dreiser best known novels included Sister Carrie, American tragedy. He was leading figure in natural literary movement that replaced observance of Victoria nation of property with unflinching presentation of real. Life subject. His novels explore new social problems that arisen in rapidly industrializing America.
Really interesting to hear about another Minnesota boy, and two authors I have really enjoyed. Lewis was from Sauk Centre, which is roughly 100 miles NW of the Twin Cities. If I went back home, I'd love to visit his boyhood home. I love seeing where authors started out in life. Thanks Brian.
I think Lewis had a fraught relationship with Sauk Centre, but I do love visiting author's homes.
Thank you Barbara.
"I dare you to say it again"?!?! 🤣🤣🤣 Sorry, that was hilarious.
Haha!!
Drunk and defiant Lewis volunteering for another slap is pretty funny to think about.
For me, this discussion is especially interesting since I binge read these two authors in my 20’s. Dreiser’s novels,” Sister Carrie” and “An American Tragedy” were favorites of mine. An American Tragedy (as opposed to “the American Dream”) probably could have benefited from tighter editing however, the plot which was inspired by real life events was top notch.
Lewis’s Nobel Prize (and Pulitzer) was well deserved. In “Main Street”, “Babbitt”, “Elmer Gantry”, “Arrowsmith” presented many aspects of American society in the early 20thC.
In 2021, I read for the first time, Lewis’ extremely satirical novel “It Can’t Happen Here”. When Lewis wrote it in 1935 it was said to be somewhat based on the political career of Huey Long and his supporters, however, reading it in 2021 can put quite a different slant on it. The novel is remarkably prescient about pre-WW2 events as well as ongoing US political divides. Some of the scenarios in the book were probably developed from information he learned from his wife, Dorothy Thompson. She did interview Hitler in the 1930’s, he did not like what she wrote so she was the first American reporter deported from Germany.]
You may enjoy reading “Last Call at the Hotel Imperial: The Reporters Who Took on the World at War” by Deborah Cohen (2021). It includes info about Dorothy Thompson and her contemporaries who reported on European politics in the 1930’s.
Thanks for the recommendation. Last Call at the Hotel Imperial sounds like a great book. I think Dorothy Thompson wrote a book about her encounter with Hitler called "I Saw Hitler" I think.
It Can't Happen Here is probably the only Lewis novel I am interested in reading at this point. I read Arrowsmith and about half of Main Street and I didnt like either, but It Cant Happen Here has that cool prescience thing.
Thanks Mary.
I love these videos. Such fun.
Thanks Sis.
I've been enjoying this series, Brian!
Thank you. They are fun for me to make.
I enjoyed both author’s books but Sinclair Lewis was the better writer. I think Joan Didion said Dreiser had great epic stories - more a story teller though. The way Hurstwood’s life goes in Sister Carrie is heartbreaking. Olivier played the role in the movie .
I have never read Dreiser and I don't like Lewis's works very much, but both were important in the progress of American literature I think.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Loving this series! Knew about literally none of them so far lol
Thanks Fraser
Last and most important part of my research article written by Edward Sorel 2020 both grew up in Midwest, both wrote novels that stewered patriarchal conformist . Towns were they were raised and both raised and shared distinctions of having churchmen condemn their books as immoral. They should have been friends , but by 1925 Theodore Dreiser “ American tragedy) was published, he and Sinclair Lewis were hoping to become first American to win Nobel prize in literature. Lewis had already produced “ Main Street “ in 1920 , than followed with Babbitt, Arrowsmith, Elmer, ban try and god worth before decade was even over in 1930 Prize . Year later Lewis his second wife journalist Dorothy Thomson attended banquet at newyork metropolitan club and Thompson and Dreiser had their own fraught history. They had recently taken tour of Russia as quests of soviet government when she returned to states , Thompson wrote series of articles about her trips in newyork evening post . These became part of her book new Russia when Dreiser book published month after her . She was shocked and discovered that he had lifted 3, 000 words from her articles . When her lawyer confronted Dreiser novelist made astounding suggestions that Thompson must have stolen his notes when she visited him in his hotel room in Berlin. At banquet Dorothy and Sinclair avoided Theodore, but when America new Nobel laureate was asked to say few words. Lewis stood up and announced. I feel disinclined to say things in presence of son of bitch who stole 3, 000 words from my wife book . After dinner Dreiser confronted in Lewis to repeat his accusations. When Lewis obliged Dreiser slapped his face , while by stander held Lewis limp arms , Dreiser challenged him to repeat his charge Lewis did and was slapped again at that point Dreiser was asked to leave and he did as fast as he could. Really pen is mightier than sword or we have similar Arabic proverb words cut deeper than knife . Ihope you like my research. Iam so sorry to be little long but reading and writing both are great ways to improve our English language as none native speakers. Good luck to you your family friends.
No problem with the length of your comments. Your command of English is already great. I like the Arabic proverb better.
Thanks for the comment.
This was a very interesting story! I want to read some of Lewis's work now
Thank you. I have to say that I have not enjoyed the little of Lewis’s work that I have read.
I really enjoy this series. Imagine being at the next table at that banquet! I think the only book I've read by either of these authors is Sister Carrie.
I have never read Dreiser and don't really enjoy Lewis's books, but it would have been great to be at the banquet!
I just want to say that Elmer Gantry by Sinclair Lewis and especially An American Tragedy by Theodore Dreiser completely nailed the ugly side of American culture.
I’ve never read either, but I know that is their reputation.
The implication of _her_ swiping _his_ notes was just too juicy. (On a serious note I’ve been fascinated about the story behind _Whose Names Are Unknown_ that I’ve been hearing about on Supposedly Fun.) I’ve never read either man’s work yet but I do have something by Lewis “primed and waiting” but definitely not a priority right now.
I have not enjoyed the limited amount of Lewis's work that I have read.
Greg has done a great job with his Grapes of Wrath/ Whose Names Are Unknown videos.
Fascinating story! I've read Lewis, but not Dreiser, I don't think.
I’ve never read Dreiser either though I have a copy of American Tragedy somewhere
Good one 🎉 I vaguely recall reading _An American Tragedy_ at Kent State in the 80s and Id like to reread it ... Im pretty ignorant about Lewis, to boot! 🤔💯😊
I’ve never read Dreiser. I don’t really like Lewis’s books (I’ve only read 1 1/2)
I have never heard of these but here for the gossip :D
Thanks.
similarly to john updike and john irving, i always get mixed up upton sinclair and sinclair lewis.
That was a problem in the 20s as well, something that actually irritated Lewis when he first started his career.
Dreiser is personally one of my favorite novelists, yet he can be a tough sale for the uninitiated. His prose can be clunky and awkward, but the way he writes about the cruelty of capitalism is unmatched. I would argue that he is still the standard in this regard. Please give 'Sister Carrie' a chance if you haven't already.
Your comment makes him sound more intriguing than I would have imagined. Still long books and clunky prose… I’ll try and audio version I think.
Good enough. Lol!
If I may offer one more attempt to sell Dreiser....he was a massive influence on Richard Wright. That's how I came to admire him. Thank you once again for your excellent content, Brian!
@@jamelwest2586 I didn’t know that. Thank you. I will definitely try Sister Carrie as an audiobook.
So interesting. Which biography on Lewis would you recommend? Thank you!
The one I liked best was by Richard Lingeman - Rebel from Mainstreet
Thank you Brian!
Thanks interesting. I read a lot of Lewis but that was decades ago.
Drieser has been more recent. I really got into him and actually I think I read ALL of his published fiction. Actually read the final novel The Bulwark twice, the second time aloud with a girlfriend.
Dreiser actually did join the Communist Party at the very end of his life in 1945.
Thanks for the info on Dreiser.
I am not a fan of Lewis's work, but I have never read anything by Dreiser. Can you recommend a good place to start with his work?
@@BookishTexan Well, I remember particularly liking The Genius from 1915. It's about a successful guy who has a big emotional crisis.
@@tickledtodeath0 I might give that one a try. Thank you
Interesting. I haven't read either man. I wonder if the reason Sinclair didn't hold a grudge was because the fight was about a woman, and ultimately a woman didn't matter very much to him.
Perhaps. His first wife was certainly a intellectual equal. My memory tells me his second wife was much younger.
I guess Will Smith was just following in the footsteps of greatness! 😆
😂😂😂😂
don't think ever read anything by lewis though know I should have did read dreiser's sister carrie and liked it also recall reading h l mencken essay on his work which he admired but also mocked for being ridiculously overwritten the punching incident reminds me of some of norman mailer's macho antics he head butted gore vidal just before they both went on dick cavett tv show but neither mentioned it during on-air haha
I definitely got Mailer v Vidal vibes from the Dreiser v Lewis episode. I’ve never read Dreiser (may try audio, but his books are so long!). I don’t really like Lewis from the 1 1/2,of his books that I have read.