Vintage Rockman VS. AmpliTube Joe Satriani
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- Comparing a real Rockman x100 headphone amp to the IK Multimedia AmpliTube Joe Satriani Boston 100 plugin model.
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I think it was pretty close but the echo was less pronounced in the Amplitube version. The Rockman had a much more "airy feel"
Totally agree with this, but the good news is that it's Amplitube . . . if you don't like it, you can turn it off and add it back in with another effect in Amplitube or a different plugin altogether.
The fact that I can't get a Rockman IS YOUR FAULT!!!
You had the last 20 years to get one
@@johncecilia4517 depends on when you or he was born , but they were from about 1985 ,,, could have got one even when they were new
@@musiccreatorstudio988True but i made a judgment call on his age. They were cheap for a long time used and yes if he's 50 he could have gotten new for not much.
@@johncecilia4517 You´re right. They were cheap. Too much hiss and a bad noise ratio.
But with our new post-equipment (noise reduction etc.) we can make it sound perfectly.
The clean sound was always a dream. Couldn´t appreciate my soloist 20 years ago,
Now...pay the price. It´s not R.J.´s problem. Don´t understand why T.S. doesn´t cooperate
with the industry. Might be a hit rebuilding his gadgets. He´s a little bit weird by now.
@@johncecilia4517 The only time he could've gotten these at good price would've been in around the mid 90's-10's. For the 80's and with inflation and everything, for what it was, it was very very expensive.
The Amplitude plugin is "missing" that doubling/wide-spatial effect that the X100 has. Tone wise it's close, but Amplitude sounds thinner and has less reverb effect than the real deal.
It's the ECHO effect... it's not even close.
To be fair, the plug-in can be dialed in really close, if not better. Slap a few toner plugins on your track, drop in some reverb, and there ya go. You can get a really good sound with the plug-in. Don’t make the mistake of thinking Def Leppard recorded straight through this thing and nothing else. You know those guitars went through preamps, compressors, reverbs, more preamps, etc.
The tone is there... if u eq alittle bit.. and add a widening effect.. and a nice reverb seperatly.. can match it to the x100
The THU Rockguy might get you closer.
@@stevenkay5441 if you add a few Pedals in amplitube you can pretty much get it identical
I still think the original Rockman X100 sounds better, although the Amplitube is pretty close. I still have my original X100 from the early 80’s with all accessories and box. It still work s great. I watched your first video on the X100 too. Great job on the comparison vid. Thanks R.J.
It's pretty close but the real Rockman has something in the mids that just makes it sound better, and I could tell a difference. Having owned it for over 30 years I definitely know the sound of the real one, but the software got really close. Funny that they've gone up in price.
Haha.. i've heard this from a thousand people over the years about every type of gear imaginable. Your ear is playing tricks on you. If you think it lacks mids, there's a zillion and one ways to add mids and whatever else you could possibly want to the signal.
@@SonorousMusic not just mids, the real rockman had a certain sound, that you just know when you hear it.
The amplitube version has alot less bite then a real rockman but the affordability is there
@Jackie Apreil bet in a full mix you would never be able to tell the difference.
Yeah because the rock man doesn’t pick up the sound of the pic hitting the string every time you have to also take in the context that the man who invented the rock man is an absolute genius Joe Satriani he’s not an MIT graduate
If you heard them individually, I think it would be close. Side by side, the Amplitube is missing some frequency that makes it sound not quite as rich and a little more processed
Tone is there but, the the X100s effects are just a little more intense than the Boston100 version.
Easily fixed. Great post, thnx Boss.
how would you fix it?
@@AwesomeFinish more clarified top end and there's also a latency issue with the DAW which you're probably hearing, which to me is what's cutting the top off it. The Rockman seems to have more "flight" if that makes sense? Sorry for hijacking your video RJ.
Yes.... now i can hear my sloppy playing in crystal clarity.
Ahahaha
Which ironically leads to cleaner more accurate playing... you got this!
😂😂😂😂
The Original Rockman, which I had, is the Plexi version, a dynamic beast compared to what followed. When you get it restored do NOT get the switches changed since now you can inch slowly between the detents and tap into different and very useable sounds that you can't get otherwise. Try it, you're maybe going to live there.
The Jimmy Hendrix of the Rockman 🎸🔥
Wow that brings back memories. The Rockman was my very first amp when I was learning to play. Cool vid.
I regret not buying The Rockman from my friend, back in 2018, he was selling it for $20.
Exactly the rockman xl100 has a great stereo and spatial panning over the amplitude
Overloud just released the "Rockguy" plugin. I tried it and it's really, really cool!
Sounds, to me, like the plugin was just missing a bit of 'verb or room ambiance, or a bit of "air-y-ness.". That's it! Great job IK Multimedia! Thanks, R.J.!
Yup…. Just add some airy verb and it’s there
I bought the plugin for $35 and it sounds amazing and happy that i have it, i plugged my.boss me 50 to my audio interface and to the software and sounds powerful with some reverb and a compressor :)
The X100 seems fatter and warmer to my ears. The Amplitube is nice though.
Owned a x100 back when they came out. The main feature that’s stands out is the stereo field it produces. I use to run it into a amp (mono) and it would lose a lot of its character. Plugged into a stereo system or boom box and it was awesome.
The plugin sounds pretty good but has more compression than the original unit (which is a lot)
I’m on the lookout for an original unit thanks to you RJ haha
I've been searching for this sound for twenty years. Thank you.
I get that Rockman sound via my Axe Fx. We did some Boston songs and it was perfect.
Mind sharing some of how you did that? It’s great that it worked so well :)
After desperately looking and getting upset at the insane prices, I recently scored a really nice X100 (V10) with original case for 50€ in Spain. Still can't believe it. Probably a steal of a lifetime
Agreed. The Rockman Clean settings seem just ever so brighter...
Great job and great demonstration! I tell ya though, the Rockman sounds SO much better as good as the amplitube JS is !
On all the examples the rockman had more ambiance. Maybe that’s the wrong word, chime? Hiss? Reverb? Something lingering that shimmers between notes. But in amplitude it went away and was cleaner so the quiet tiny spaces between notes were, well, quieter. Both are we useful but that secret sauce that the Rockman has might be this. What do think? Did you hear it this way as well? And could it be added into amplitube?
Glad I held onto my Rockman. I might recap it soon.
Someone has to do a Legit Recreation of that Tom Scholtz Boston sound. I had them, (tiny rack's) but were too Noisy. Nice R.J. - I bet a little e.q. shaping and you can nail-it. Original Rockman "Cleans" can't be touched. I agree with what you said at the end.
Check out GOAT Generator (Blue Series). Pretty dang close.
Great t-shirt!
I had a soloist in high-school (86-88) and it was the prime practice gear in the 80’s for sure. I’d even plug it into my awful Yamaha amp and get a pretty decent tone ... in its day.
You're absolutely right R. J. about the clean sounds. But I imagine if we put the sound through the IK Multimedia emulation of the Neve EQ 1073, we might get it right. Gee, started to remember my guitar recordings from late 80's and early 90's, some of them got a lot of radio playing in Brazil. Great memories, working with a top local producer. Thanks for the video.
I recently found my old Rockman x100 packed away along with its AC adapter. The one thing that I noticed was that the cleans are just so unique, its a tough act to follow.
The x100 has a much wider soundstage and is generally better, but the Boston 100 on Clean 2 is closer to the Hysteria (song) tone than the x100. It's almost perfect. I use THU Overloud for all my tones, but I'm definitely going to buy the AmpliTube Satriani plugin.
widen it then. lol. we can do that easily if we wish. :).
That's pretty close! What I hear is more pick attack on the Amplitube version. The original sounds a little more 3D.
The rockman has some noise/hiss that is not present with the JS Ampitude version. So crystal clear, I like it.
I have a Rockman!! I dont recall it costing that much!!
Edit: its a guitar ace thats why lol
Thank you so much for doing this video!!! I cannot get an original Rockman but now I have an idea of how to improve the Amplitube sound
40 years later, I have yet to hear anything purporting to replicate the Rockman sound come close. Given the technology today, that's amazing.
Very nice. Now, if Amplitube can add the rest of the rock modules or an XPR, I'll be in Heaven!
I had a Rockman and sold it on ebay,, which I kind of regretted, but I got a spark go, and I found a model of the Rock-man that's pretty convincing.
Kickass t-shirt !! 🤘😝🎸🎶
Another great video, thanks for the effort. For me, and I listened 1st without watching, I much prefer the Rockman. To me the other unit sounded muffled, like there was a towel over the speaker. And on the clean channel comparisons I didn't care for how it picked up and put so much emphasis on the pick as it hit each string. Looks like Tom really was the man way back then. Sure glad I kept my X100 from back in the mid 80s.
Now I just have to find it...
I think the X100 with distortion has more "body" than the Amplitube version. But anyway, you can fix that with an EQ, I use the amplitube version mixed with another amp gain and it sounds really really good.
The software version sounds like its input level is lower, like the signal's not hitting the processing as hard and putting no girth in the tone.
Not sure, but that's how it sounds.
Fun video. Definitely love the cleans on the original.
It’s a great simulation but misses the open sound and has a more percussive tone to the amplitude on clean. I was so impressed with the rockman gear I bought about 25 effects when they were going for £30 each second hand. Even bought an XPR 100 for £70
Cara, fantástico. Queria muito encontrar um desses e pagaria o preço pedido pelo original. Deu pra perceber uma diferença no som. Há uma sujeira no analógico que é característico. No amplitube tá muito limpo, sintetizado sem essa sujeira. Vou procurar no reverb 🇧🇷
I added a tube saturator, a compressor and EQ in amplitube and sounds pretty close...
Rockman gear of all types have gone up. It’s got me thinking about selling a couple spare units.
Great video as always! Yes, the dirty channels sound similar but the clean channels on the Rockman unit sounds much better than the plug-in. Thanks for this. I guess I should save up to buy an OG Rockman. 😅
Not enough between them to get anyone's knickers in a twist about. hit the front end of the plugin harder to get more bite if you need to, widen the sound stage a little if you must, add a bit of ambience to taste and bingo... its there :).
Ace Frehley’s eyes look super stoned once you start the demo!
goes to show the 80s had the most iconic guitar tones
Compression, distortion, reverb, sustain are better on Rockman. The clean sounds are sharper on Rockman and slightly muffled on Amplitube. So, Rockman wins! It's that grunge 70s Rock Sounds that Tom Scholz created from his M.I.T education & engineering imagination he built into His Rockman machine. That Boston Sound. So far others have come close. But not quite! Plug in Rockman for the first time, you will hear & feel the difference from the imitators. I want someone to get it right, but so far they can't. Maybe Tom Scholz can get the Rights back. Or if he didn't sign them away when he sold the company, he should make them again. It's the Analog Sound that gives The Rockman the edge over the Amplitude electronic sound. They would sell like hotcakes. Nice video.
Seeing as the Rockman only has switches you could presumably capture IRs of all the various combinations and build a plugin around them or just use the IRs in a speaker sim or convolution reverb plugin
The plug in is missing the sonic "air" thus needs some additional processing...... but yes it still sounds great none the less making it still useful.
They sound nice for clean sound. You can get that sound with a chorus, delay or echo, reverb (if you want it ?) And Golden Halo pedal.
The golden halo pedal is an acoustic guitar simulator pedal which can obtain this sound. Cheers
Love the video, I've watched it several times.
Is the setting for Amplitude straight from a Joe Satriani setting, or are you adding distortion or adjusting the EQs?
The Lick at 4:15 has more depth (reverb? or maybe even chorus/delay)) than the amplitube version at 4:38
I've got both of it. Lucky me.
3:48 I think the "Amplitube Boston 100-DIST" just needs a smidgen of delay and it's there?
Hey R.J., have you heard of the Ross Rockbox? Apparently, they Ross made these for a while before being told to stop by Tom Scholz's lawyers. I still have mine. Not working right now, so need to find someone who can fix it. They sound awesome!! I believe it had more features than the Rockman. There's even an FX loop on it!
Maybe if you added a touch of bright stereo reverb to the Amplitube one, it might be pretty close.
I started working for dave jerden just a bit after AIC Dirt came out...and fwiw the top part of the gtr sound on that album is a rackmount rockman through a marshall lead 12......also, anyone know where to get a rockman fixed? mine just gives white noise...
The amplitude you can hear the pic hitting the strings so it’s almost like an echo but it’s not an echo it’s picking up the pic hitting the strings that sounds horrible ,I noticed it every time
Another way of getting real close is with a Kemper and one of the good Rockman Profiles that there are. Still to nail it 100% you will need the real X-100. To bad I sold mine way back in the early 90s ...
RJ single handedly reminded an old generation this thing existed, then turned on a whole new generation to it and YUP prices doubled! They seem to be coming down now. I recently got a Rockman original for $275 and a X100 for $430.00
I have a Rockman XP-100 100 watt head with the most insane stock sounds I used for years. I had started to try and model it into an Axe-FX 2, but just wasn't coming up with the goods.
Well said "the amplitude version sounds a little anemic to me and lacks character". It sounded pretty good, but there was a distinct difference particularly in the overdrive. If they were to bring back the original X100 in all its glory, there would be record sales.
The amplitube Boston is very weak in the higher gain settings, the cleans are nice l.....great job at comparing 👍🏻
The X100 has a separation that the Amplitube doesn’t but you can go into two Channels and get that
For the original rockman sound on a budget, get a Donner Alpha Cruncher pedal for about $50. It has 80s style distortion and you can switch off either or both delay and chorus. Play with the levels for about 5 minutes and you can find the sound.
To my ears, the Rockman sounds better in every setting. It's much fuller and less brittle than the Amplitube. Also, it's a bit warmer with a less "processed" sound.
This video makes me wish I would've purchased a Rockman back in the day. If I remember correctly, weren't they normally $99, and on sale occasionally for $79? I'm pretty sure I remember seeing them for those prices at my local guitar shop.
i like this demo - its more than just the hysteria riff
The Rockman is worth the money imo. Amplitube sounds lower resolution digital reproduction. Great video as usual
The RM clean had more air. I’m sure it could be matched in EQ.
Man, I want one of those units so bad man. Sounds so freakin good.. I especially love that compressed clean tone with the detune/chorus effect. Just don't really "need" it.. but hell, I guess I don't really "need" half of the gear I have 😂😂
The actual hardware driven Rockman sounds better although it’s close. I don’t think it’s close enough if you are really chasing that true sound. Then again I feel that way about all plug-ins. I’m definitely more into hardware driven sound rather than digital computer generated sounds although I feel they can be utilized together at times when the need arises.
The actual hardware unit seems to have a bit more grit in the high end. On the drive sounds it sounds like there's a slight bump on what tube amps would be the presence control to give it a bit of sizzle. On the clean settings, this bump in those frequencies give it a bit more shimmery sparkle. The plugin sounds as if they used a low-pass filter to tame that sizzle and sparkle. Of course your unit being analog, could also have those characteristics due to the components that were used that the unit they modeled didn't.
That being said, the plugin is VERY close. Nearly perfect, and an EQ could add that sizzle back in should you need it. I would say it is very worthy considering the price point.
I bought an X100 in november 2019, it's more of a treasure than an amp now, it cost me $200 with its original box, headphones and instructions, I'm a big fan of Def Leppard and love the 80s so this was a "must-have" thing for me.
That emulation is one of the closests I've ever heard. I read somewhere that Def Leppard and ZZ Top used Rockmans X100 modded by Tom Scholz himself, I think Alex Lifeson used them too and many other artists, this little black and blue box was really everywhere in the 80s.
Listen 'Push it to the Limit' (Scarface), I think it is the Rockman.
Somewhere someone also said that Judas Priest used the Rockman on the "Ram it Down" Record, especially audible on the Track "Heavy Metal". It does sound very similar
I saw an interview with Phil Collen who said the headphones amps were just stock. They also used the cheaper soloist and ace on some recordings.
Hey RJ, will you be giving the TH-U Rockguy plugin a test run as well? I've been a rockman user for quite some time and I took a look at this plugin and can't wait to give it a drive.
like many of the comments...the sound seems very close but the space it occupies is not right. The Rockman has a wide full stereo field. The amplitude sounds narrow with a disjointed echo trying to create width.
I listened with my eyes closed and having had for years only a Rockman I can hear a difference in the original and the clone. There maybe the slight volume difference - lower in the clone - but the original sounds more full!!!! A bit more punch or roundness. I think the clone could be made more exact by upping the bottom end on it but in a one to one comparison, I'll take the original!! HOWEVER - you're right - the now $600 price tags vs. the $99 is enormous and I think the clone could be upped with EQ - maybe a bit more compression - something????? to get it to sound a bit more like the original!!!! Here's the deal with any side by side comparison, almost always you find a little difference..... Great comparison!!!!!! Thanks!!!!
I got the Sustainor and its better than any plugin...Compared them myself, both the THU and Amplitube. Got it for 100 dollars from a friend. And now you pay about 500 dollar for it. Nice
Both sound great, but, I give the edge to the AmpliTube, as the distortion is a bit tighter, and, the cleans are cleaner...but, there is definitely a bit more spacial character to the vintage rockman, when comparing them side to side. I wonder if a compressor would tighten up the rockman?
Plugin is pretty good but the real one is still far superior! Clean sounds are amazing
To me, the plugin had less of that ratty, muddy quality in the dirty settings. Probably because I hear less delay in the plugin. My preference was the Ross Rock Box back in the day.
Yes, the Ross. I remember that one. My buddy got that one when he heard my X100 and wanted one. Then he saw the Ross and got that instead. It did/does a good job for not being a wanna be Rockman. It’s got its own sound quality.
@@luisvillarreal5262 Yep, had both. Just liked the Ross better. Sucks they're so rare. This video made me want one again.
@@robhughesguitar I didn’t know just how sought after they were. I could probably sell mine, but I don’t want to part with it.
Generally, the real one sounded the best. BUT I noticed on the distortion setting, the real one seems to have more gain and when you strum a full open chord at the end it sounded a bit too much - a little bit "yikes". Amplitube sounded fine with a nice open G chord. And you can always add more gain going into it (not sure how amplitube pedals sound going into it, or if you could just turn up your input gain, but I'm sure it's possible).
Just one part where the AT actually sounded better to me.
I see the original and the x100 all the time for around $150.00. Remember these were mass produced for over a decade. Just bought 2 x100 models for less than 300 bucks. one external power supply. Maybe with the 70 refurbished ones I have, I can flood the market and drive those who are gouging out of business.
Bottom line. Both similar. But the rock man is warmer sounding as a whole. Better echo too. Nice playing, feel and demo.
This is part of the buy 1 get 25 deal with group buy from IK right now. Amplitube Joe Satriani (this plug in is included from among other amps ,cabs mics,effects)is priced less that $5. Rockman x100 probably has fuller mids but a decent EQ skill can make it even closer if not at par.IMO Rockman x100 isn't worth $995 more than the plug in.
The Amplitube version is excellent but it's 100% lacking in the 'tail' / reverb setting it's using - listen to 5:15 using the Rockman and you'll instantly hear the reverb tail, but it's dialled down in the Amplitube version (the Amplitube version is less distorted/fat on this setting too, less chorus). Very easily rectified though - e.g. is the guitar input too weak for this plugin (very crucial for plugins), or, can the reverb/distortion/etc be adjusted in the plugin?
I am a bit stunned this wasn't picked up by the IK folks since it would have been extremely/embarrassingly easy to fix - unless, of course, the issue lies with R.J. Ronquillo himself in not setting that input into the plugin from the audio interface? - you have the plugin Input Gain at the highest (+8dB) and the plugin Vol at MAX - that looks like you're struggling to optimise the input? (you do shift to -5dB Vol for the cleans).
Irrespective, and not owning this plugin, can you adjust the reverb/distortion/chorus/delay/etc parameters?
I don't think there's any echo on the Amplitube version. Chorus sounds mono too. Since it's software, I would check that you're not switching anything off through your rig. You must have foot switches set up for your virtual chain! Check your plug in options for signal path and pan etc
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yeah pretty much spot on, but I just need the hardware..tactile stuff you know
Rockman Alert,,, OverLoud releases Rockguy,,, $29 Someone needs to do another comparison...
the real deal sounds squishier and compressed which makes it sound good. The effects are more present too on the Rockman
The only release by Joe Satriani that I’ve ever had a copy of is the EP *Dreaming #11.* Could anybody confirm for me if Joe plugged into a Rockman unit during the studio piece from the EP (“The Crush of Love”) or during the concert tracks? It came out between *Surfing with the Alien* and *Flying in a Blue Dream.*
Very cool that you included the Janet Jackson riff. That song, “Black Cat“, is probably the only song she ever composed exclusively.
I'm not sure about Dreaming #11, but I'm pretty sure it was used on Surfing With The Alien album... I heard that at least. My sources are janky though.
Thank you, @@ExoTekYT. I was given a copy of that record 22 years ago. As long as I’ve been listening to it, it sounded like Joe plugged into a standard arsenal defined either by a JCM head or a Rectifier head.
@@Shred_The_Weapon If you look up his montreaux show it's gonna be the same thing. Marshall, crybaby, ds-1, and 2 dd-3 delays with long and short delay (400ish and 600ish meant to be inexact). and a boss chorus.
In the mix and with some clever tweaking (software exiter?) not too much a difference to worry about. Then again it's only one of the 100-dreds of amps in Amplitube 5 max. witch gives me trust in their product as a whole. I bought the Max 5 bundle with the Axe i/o almost 2 months ago but it has still not arrived. Maybe a chip shortage in the music industrie as well?
Interresting vid. It'has been a long time that I wondered if a software version of these boxes exists. The rockman units has become overpriced. I paid the ultralight $11 20 years ago and less than $200 for my DG, sustainors and chorus/delay. My only regret; I never found a stereo echo reasonably priced.
I'm from back in the day and Boston's first two albums made them my all-time favorite band(Scholz). The cleans are better on the real Rockman but the other unit has better distortion while keeping the same base(not bass) sound. It has something that the real Rockman doesn't have: that grainy noise that rides piggyback on that great distortion sound the real Rockman gives. Since Boston's first two albums are more distortion than clean, this newer unit wins. You can add all the other echos, reverbs & whatever else with any one other multi-effect unit. I'm impressed but would rather find a multi-effect physical floor unit for playing live that does the early Boston sound. One unit in my backpack and good to go.
Generally sounds like the echo is lowered significantly on the amplitube
They sound so obviously different when you AB them, it makes me wonder how they even developed this thing. Did they not AB it themselves? o.O
I bought the JS bundle last year because I too went down the ROCKMAN rabbit hole. I was very happy with the AmpliTube BOSTON 100 version, especially since you have to give up a kidney to own an original X100. I even created my own using the ToneBridge app. I watched a lot of TH-cam videos to try to get the correct settings for my virtual equipment within ToneBridge and I think I have a very close version. I have a pre-and post EQ set up. Anyway one day it would be great do you have a whole rack unit. Thanks for making this video. I noticed during your demonstration of the clean 1 & clean 2channels, You had the 5DB option selected on the X100 but the MAX volume position on the B100. I’m just curious, was there a reason for that? Anyway great video. Thanks again!