@HodgePodgeVids1 Yes, it is a fallacy. But the fallacies only apply when making arguments against a specific proposition. It is fallacious because under the constraints of the argument there is nothing that supports the conclusion. That doesnt mean there's nothing inherently wrong about thinking "x will lead to y" or arguing it against a general proposition. You can do that all day. People don't understand what the fallacies actually are or what they are meant to accomplish by pointing them out.
@@sameash3153saying all things are slippery slopes or nothing is a slippery slope is itself a fallacy. Somethings do lead to worse things and somethings dont🤷♂️ Maybe weed is a gateway to harder drugs, probably caffeine isn't. Go figure.
"Well, in dog years they would be of age....." these debates are fruitless as well imho. Certain things shouldn't be discussed openly because children are online.
“It wasn’t child porn…also I haven’t heard a good legal argument for why possession of child porn should be illegal.” 😬😬😬 I audibly gasped at this. That’s insane.
@@SenorCinema his very next sentence was “ACTUAL child porn”. Perhaps he clarified later in that video? I would hope so. Granted, I don’t care if it’s animated or not-producing and distributing imagery of children in a sexual manner, even if drawn, is still disgusting and feeds into a predatory world view that children are for consumption. Child porn made with actual children is worse, due to the victims involved, but that doesn’t mean drawn/animated child porn is blameless.
And that clarification matters HOW? Cp is cp. Even if it didn't involve actual c, it shouldn't be permitted as it could lead to actual rpe of a c. There is no other purpose to it, viewing or possession. Get your moral compass checked out, as it isn't merely a Christian view - doesn't take a Christian to find it evil or inhumane.
@@tylere.8436I totally agree. I think it’s despicable all the way around. It’s just particularly egregious to say “having material that depicts horrible brutalization of children should be legal”, even in the most secular circles.
@@SenorCinema You do realize AI uses prior images in its training data to make its pictures right? It would still be extremely immoral to have AI do it. Instead of advocating for harm to befall a child he could simply say we should lock up active pedophiles and try to help those who struggle with the mental illness.
Vuash is NOT a good faith debating partner. Ps see his debate with Tomas Bogardus. On that note, see Bogardus dialogue with Destiny and his appearance on Philosophy for the People with host Patrick Flynn (author of brand new 9/10 book on Philosophy of religion titled "The Best Argument for God")
He is basically the poster model for living in the flesh. There are some who should not be entertained for debate and he is definitely one of them for sure.
He literally admitted to be willing to lie for the sake of "winning". There is also his famous CP and computer/iphone argument that to this day he still says was "out of context". I don't know why he still has an audience after the Loli Horse images and his excuse being "I thought it was a short-stacked goblin".
I would like to see them together! Both helped me a lot in appreciating my faith more (cradle Catholic, became lukewarm in high-school, and now striving to be a better believer and child).
It's kinda hilarious. To normal people, the difference between loli and short stacks don't matter. To people even remotely familiar with the topic they would be able to immediately tell the difference between the two and know that trying to conflate them like he did is nothing more than obfuscation of the highest order. Probably one of the funniest things I've seen this year so far.
As someone born in Japan, ive been seeing that and much worse since i was 8 lmao. Of course its fiction so I use "worse" mainly because i know that's what you believe
@@lesanon919 There’s a difference even to normal people. Their bodies are only similar via height. You take a simple glance and you’d realize either “oh that’s just a short yet well-endowed woman” or *“oh. that’s a child.”* Vaush was just forcing out an excuse trying to cover himself and failed spectacularly.
@@ExtraVictory My condolences. I know precisely what you’re talking about. There is a TON of vile stuff in H-doujin culture. I don’t care if it’s “not real,” it’s still abhorrent that such grotesque filth is legal and distributed. It makes Marquis de Sade look tame by comparison.
If you think this is how trans people think, please stop getting your news from Trent, Fox News, or the daily wire. I've friends who jokingly use racial slurs, and they dont think like this either. This line of thinking is exaggerated to make trans people look bad when it isnt even something we think.
But you cannot make that argument against trans people. They will just give you "that is just an outdated stereotype" BS. Gender ideology (which I believe they even dispute it being an ideology) does not even rely on lies, but ideological fascism/tyranny. You literally cannot debate transgender people because they just dismiss, silence as transphobic, or pretend that it actually affirms their view anything that would destroy their viewpoint. I am convinced that you cannot be a transgender advocate and act rationally. Keep in mind I am someone who really does not like calling an idea "irrational" I think that almost every idea has at least SOME support even if it is weak. For transgenderism, I do not believe that there is even weak support for.
I know right. I mean come on, when I was a boy I played with Kens and Barbies at my grandmothers alongside my Bionicles and Transformers because I imagined them fighting each other to destroy a planet with humans as large as them. Guess I was Non-Binary or still am and don't even know it.
@@n4ughty_knight eh no it's not. Religion is very much a good thing and we should not reinforce our enemy's framing by insisting it's bad and pushing it onto them. Science is not a religion. Science cannot be a religion. Science is incomplete.
@@SenorCinemais it fun to just reply randomly to other comments without actually backing up your claims at all? Genuine question, I see you everywhere in Trents video and it's all the same.
Thanks for this video, it was really bothering me that someone would chose to attack someone like Father Mike, who is nothing but respectful and charitable.
Father Mike is an important person in my life. I was still an Atheistic-Agnostic until God used Father Mike as an instrument for me to come back to the church.
If you read the comments on his channel, Father Mike is always suffering attacks. The last time I've read them, they were saying Mike was too perfect and that was weird. So, they're doing it out of spite.
You know you're given over to a reprobate mind when your defense is "Eegads! I have been hoodwinked! Why, this isn't my preferable thick short stack goblin porn! How did this dross come to be in my tabs?"
I have to remind myself that what I am being asked to love is what is created by God which is hidden by a multitude of layers of evil choices. The disfigurement caused by years of evil living can cause us to struggle to see that something divine-like resides at the core of the person.
@@alisterrebelo9013Beautifully stated! Whenever I encounter someone I don't like I imagine them as a young child, and immediately empathize with the innocence and hope that they possessed at that time. It leads me to the same conclusion as your wonderful thought experiment.
They first say that gender roles are social constructions, then that you can tell if someone is "trans" by using the same "constructed" social roles. Total insanity.
And of course being trans is innate. Its double think, that's the only way the concept even stands. Some people do take full on one position or the other, but of course that means you can have a discussion about it. With both of these contradictory positions being true, there is no way to actually discuss it.
He chose Father Mike of all people, such a nice and kindhearted priest to badmouth like that. Wouldn’t expect less from Vaush, he even felt like he was in the place to laugh at the overused and boring joke of pedo priests as if he wasn’t more likely to be a pedophile.
Projection. Vaush knows that he needs to go on the offensive, throwing out accusations to diminish the perceived legitimacy of accusations thrown at him. "Oh, they're just calling him a pedo because he called this guy one"
I mean, if I was in a group, and I found out they were hiding convicted pedophiles, i'd get out of that group asap cause holy shit what the fuck You can't even deny that fact that it happens cause it happens *so often* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases Other religions similar to the catholics exist, that don't have pedophiles being run around the country, try looking into them and being apart of them instead.
I know and a dog thinking he is a cat highlights the absurdity. I really don't think videos like this help their propaganda. Unless its to make everyone realize it is a joke.
@@MrPeach1 It helps them because they're testing society. If someone criticizes their propaganda, they silence that opposing voice and in turn, that attracts more people who want that power as well.
The message is literally about not loving yourself for who you actually are. It’s frustrating that they claim that a dog acting like a not-dog is just “being himself.”
Agreed. Thank you for pointing out the obvious reason the debate shouldn't even be an issue. We have gotten wise in our own eyes, so we often miss what is right in front of us; the basics. Going back to that beginning comment negates the entire debate. By pointing that out, the "argument" should stop right there. The rest of these arguments about biology and the philosophy of it miss the main point of hypocrisy. They want tolerance and for us to believe their lie, yet they cannot accept us for simply speaking truth. All of these big youtubers are celebrities thry know what they're doing. They all want a holy war.
No one actually cares what anyone pretends to be it's the fact that the law is forcing everyone to pretend. Only a few years ago these guys would take their fetish to a prostitute to roleplay, now you'll get fired if you don't 🤮
I think it's more complex than that. This is essentially a conflict of objective and subjective. Objectively, someone is A. Subjectively, someone is B. For example, if someone is ugly, they are objectively "ugly" when compared to what is the aesthetic norm but subjectively that person is never going to accept they are "ugly" because it's a "bad word". So, in essence, people want to be loved but at the same time that "love" comes from others.
Yeah, "being yourself" means accepting what you are, not pretending to be something that your genes, physical characteristics, hormones, bone structure/density, muscle mass, and brain chemistry say you most certainly are NOT. It's *denying* being yourself. There's nothing wrong with being a female with masculine interests, nor a male with feminine interests. It's when you think somebody needs to be "re-educated" to delude themselves into thinking they're actually the opposite gender, and convince them to irreversibly mutilate and chemically castrate themselves, *major* problems arise.
I am so glad I was born in the 1970's. I didn't like dolls, dresses, my only siblings were 4 brothers, I liked to dig in the mud, catch lizards and worms, and I had no clue how to interact with other little girls, girly girls. I can't even imagine if adults started telling me I was actually a boy...
If anyone wants to watch this dude get completely owned on this subject, go watch his debate against Dr Tomas Bogardus (a Catholic philosophy professor)
They don't lick their paws, and wipe their face. That's a cat thing. That's like saying in reference to a human sniffing someone's behind that sniffing isn't a dog thing.
@@litigioussociety4249 Some do, especially if they grow up with cats around them. Dogs don't have rational immortal souls though and they are not made in God's image, so it doesn't really matter anyways. Humans are held to higher standards.
Yeah, the good ol' "appeal to triviality" fallacy. "A logical fallacy where someone involved in an argument says the issue being argued over "Doesn't matter" or asking "Why do you care so much?", both in an attempt to shame their opponent into giving up so they can push their agenda unopposed. Easily countered by telling them to shut up and go away if it really doesn't matter, or pointing out their hypocrisy in their continued defense of the issue despite insistently asserting it supposedly doesn't matter."
They have completely thrown out objective truth. What I would like to ask these social justice warriors is if my daughter has anorexia and even though she’s only 120lbs, she THINKS she is 320lbs and grossly obese, should I help her get liposuction and gastric bypass surgery? We don’t reinforce someone’s body dysphoria, we help them get treatment.
I think the origin of all this mess is that people don't care for one another anymore. For example, if someone has anorexia, instead of actually helping them, people tend to judge and isolate that person which ends up reinforcing their behavior because it becomes "me vs them". This is clearly a product of how selfish our society has become. Why do you think everyone is talking about "acceptance"? It's because nobody actually cares for one another.
"if my daughter has anorexia and even though she’s only 120lbs, she THINKS she is 320lbs and grossly obese, should I help her get liposuction and gastric bypass surgery?" No. you're conflating something that can cause the death of a person due to a process called STARVATION vs ALLOWING someone to live their life in a way that makes them happy and doesn't harm others or themselves. You can personally see it as harming themselves, but generally that's your opinion based on the fact you don't feel conflict over a discrepancy in your sex and gender.
@@blaiseaimee7098 You really shouldn't because this is not a good analogy. Anorexia involves a form of body dysmorphia, which is when you perceive your physical body as something other than it is. For example, anorexic people see fat where none exists and it causes them distress. Trans people are talking about body dysphoria, which is when your internal identity does not match with what you see in the mirror. This is something that non-trans people also experience. When you look in the mirror and see a belly and it makes you feel uncomfortable, that's a mild form of body dysphoria. Trans people who experience body dysphoria often feel this discomfort for every aspect of their body. tl;dr This is not a good analogy because an anorexic person sees fat in the mirror where there isn't any. A trans person does not look in the mirror and see a penis where there isn't one. The two are not analogous.
@@admiralvibeListen, as someone who used to watch Vaush before coming back to the Light of Christ; I doubt it’ll work. He’s the perfect example of a person with a “Hardened Heart.” He’s lived by his flesh for so long that he’s grown accustomed to the flesh. The only thing that can bring him out of his flesh is God’s Holy Spirit; so perhaps prayer is our only option. It’s disappointing that we can’t save everyone; which is why we must ask God to bring him into His Light.
I used to roll my eyes when people would say “we are confusing kids.” But kids are very malleable and they look towards adults to help them make sense of the world. This is bizarre. Feelings are a terrible standard for truth.
I'm a Sexual Risk Avoidance Educator in Georgia... please pray for us and our young friends to overcome these major distortions of truth 🙏 We actually live right down the road from Bramlett Elementary... It's a guarantee that we won't be sending our kiddos to public school now.
@@petera7745 for real! My speculation is that teacher or admin who approved showing this is bought into the LGBT message, and tried to sneak it by unbeknownst to parents. Not today!
"In March 2019, several direct messages were leaked in which Vaush (previously known as IrishLaddie) was acting creepily towards members of Destiny's Discord server, such as sending sexually explicit pictures to people after they asked him not to. Before logs were leaked of the event and discussed by Destiny, he considered confronting one of the victims, as shown in a photo of his Discord. And his accusers claim that he considered doxxing them."
By this logic you should abandon being religious entirely with the amount of sex scandal's priests have been caught in, too many kiddy fiddlers in the church. Hate the guy all you want, but he makes some decent arguments, unlike the sorry attempt to conflate someone identifying with a gender to a kid identifying as a fictional superhero with inhuman powers. Or the absolute absurdity of the argument that social norms are based in biological reality. Because apparently the color pink is a biological reality for girls... somehow. Yeah... it made ZERO sense.
Actually wild seeing the “goblin short stack clip” in a Trent Horn video today💀. It’s unfortunate it happened but it’s great seeing you fight off the evils of today
As a kid, I played with boys toys, loved to dress like a boy and would try to pee standing up. I'm now a heterosexual mother of 3 who is happily married to a wonderful man. I'm so glad I was born in the 80s!
Commoness is one definition of normality, yes, but normality does not limit itself to commoness. Many things may become common with enough environmental pressure, and thus be normal in that sense, but be unnatural and thus not normal in another sense.
No, to be normal is to tend towards the purpose of a thing. Divorce is statistically common, but it is not normal, because by definition marriage is a lifelong union.
If you think about the field of medicine there are lots of things that are normal but uncommon - for example having red hair. Normal isn't the same as common.
Moral relativism is hard at work in the dog video. The weird dog needs to be accepted because the weird dog likes his weirdness. The fact that the weird dog believes that he prefers that weirdness for himself is the only moral foundation of why it is good for him to be weird. If the weird dog did not want to be weird, it would likely be seen as a problem, either to help the dog stop being weird or to help the dog want to be weird. The fact that he is acting out of accord with reality and causing discord within himself and confusion among others to their detriment is apparently irrelevant. The fact that his desire and preference is changeable seems to mean that his desire cannot be a real moral foundation, or that his identity is a costume he puts on and not a real thing.
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. May God have mercy and grace on us in these times.
I would recommend not "debating" Vaush. He is legitimately one of the most aggravating people to talk to that I've ever seen. Absolutely no values or ideals beyond "winning" a debate, to the point that he'll make asinine statements like "H2O isn't water in Mexico, it's Aqua". His "defense" of his Lolicon pornography collection is just an example of his dishonest tactics.
Uhhh yeah? Millions of things believed for thousands of years have been overturned by new evidence. The earth being round, orbiting the sun, etc etc etc. We are always continuing to increase our knowledge of the world and ourselves. The older a belief is, the less likely it's true as we improve our methods of determining truth.
@@FireheadLazzo ...and a belief more recent within a linear timeline doesn't make them more true. Or are you making the case for flat earth ? Or maybe you're making the case that the period of lobotomy practice was superior to periods prior when it wasnt essentially "the new thing". If a more timeline present decision equaled a superior decision, you wouldnt be capable of making decisions (regarding topics you're life learned on) tomorrow that are inferior to your past decisions. Meanwhile there are plenty of people that assembled perfectly happy family lives that destroyed them via infidelity, VERY success business personalities that later bankrupted themselves via business decisions, etc.
sex and gender aren't the same thing. gender is a social construct. I can learn of someone's gender the same way I can learn of someone's political affiliation, by asking them
@SenorCinema Gender, as differences in behavior between males and females, is not a social construct since it is conditioned mostly by biology and evolutionary psychology. Virtually all society in history, and surely all the major ones, had it. But even if it was a social construct, so what? Law, school, police, democracy, language, those are all social construct, are you going to reject them just because of that?
In my home country, in response to the Cass report in the UK, every single mainstream media outlet published the same article from a mother who has one supposedly trans kid and one supposedly non-binary kid (what are the odds?!) arguing against the report. The trans identifying boy was put on puberty blockers at 10, then estrogen at 14. The article admits that concerns about future fertility were raised before the estrogen, but that the boy chose to go ahead, as if a kid between 10 and 14 could possibly make such a decision. Every MSM outlet published this same article.
This is from New Zealand. The same article describes how the mother actively "affirmed" the boy (as a girl) from the age of 8 years old! And apparently the rate of prescribing puberty blockers to kids in NZ is "more than 10 times" the rate in England!
Using red light and green light? If we act in contradiction to the traffic light, someone is going to get hit and be hurt or die. But if a boy wears a dress? Who gets hurt? If a girl wears pants? Who dies? No one. That's who, no one is hurt by Timmy wearing frilly dresses, or Jane wearing a 3 piece suit like gentlemen in 1900s did. So please, explain to me the dangers of allowing men to wear dresses, because as it was argued it's "arbitrary" which means it doesn't matter, just like the reason why we use red to mean stop and green to mean go is arbitrary, the difference is one is deployed to make driving safer by using such colors to communicate non verbally. A man in a dress doesn't harm anything other than apparently your own sense of masculinity where everyone must act in accordance to their gender/sex, because you are seemingly insecure about what others do.
"Social norms help clue us into biological reality" Of all the absolute dog 💩 I've heard before, that one takes the cake. How does a boy wearing pink affect "biological reality"? It doesn't it just affects how you feel, and that's all it's really about, how you feel insecure when your gender/sex isn't just a given, an assumed reality.
I can name a few... Society as a whole. The truth. Women that have a right to a safe space without some bearded dude with autogynephillia entering their space (to get off). Women athletes doing their absolute best just to have a biological male come in and dominate them, and even take scholarships and opportunities from them. Children, who are confused enough in their identity, don't need to be needlessly confused further, and who also have a right to that safe space listed above. Men who feel like less of a man just because an ideology is telling them they should be a girl if they're not full of toxic masculinity. True, old-school feminists. Gays and lesbians (it's the new conversion therapy). Neurodivergent people (ASD, ADHD, personality disorders) because they are super easily influenced into the ideology more than others. REALITY (and biology, and nature). Their families. Counter culture. It used to be cool or about music, but now it's dangerous and about victimhood. Those of us that fought to abolish stereotypical gender norms in the first place, just to have this cult tell us that you must fit into a gender stereotype. Actual transsexuals. Mental health (which is everyone). Those struggling with acceptance. Just be yourself, not something you're not. People trying to fight against big pharma when this just plays right into it. Detransitioners. Actual victims. People of dating age. This sure makes it harder, which means.... Future humans. They'll be less of them. Because it still takes a man and a woman to make one. The ones that did fall to this ideology and thus created a sense of victimhood that wouldn't have existed before, which proved more detrimental to their mental health which led them to off themselves. Just to name of few. Plus you know full damn well, it's not just about a guy that wears a dress. It's a slippery slope that goes much, much deeper. Nobody really had a problem with that before. It's when this became a movement and started targeting children, and stripping women's rights away from them, and literally trying to alter reality through manipulation of language and everything else, that it became problematic. By all means, let your freak flag fly.....but there's also nothing wrong with 'normal'. Normal is normal for a reason (that's valid). There's no reason for this to be so convoluted. I've always hated pink, didn't like wearing dresses, hate flowers & pastels & frilliness, always got on better with the guys than the gals. I was voted most eccentric in high school. Played sports, and a bass instrument in band. I would totally be pressured and told I was trans or non-binary if I were growing up today, but guess what? Even if I have a majority of masculine traits over feminine traits... I'm still 100% woman.
I'm sure that if there was a muppet video like that when I was growing up in the early 2000s, the adults would be reminding the dog that it can pretend to be a cat, but that's just pretend, not for real.
The important thing they missed is that, that dog can enjoy doing things cat do without being a cat. Women can enjoy men stuff and vice versa without actually being the opposite genders. Enjoying different hobbies is okay.
I was really into Harry Potter and LOTR growing up and I thought I was a wizard when I was under 5 years old so you all better respect my magical powers.
personally , I am a Catholic and I struggle with gender dysphoria. I do disagree with some things in this video like gender dysphoria being the same thing as BIID, because gender dysphoria actually has medical backing while researchers are still trying to find out what can cause it whether it be hormones, genetics or brain chemicals etc. But my point is, as a Catholic who does struggle with gender dysphoria, I hate that being gender dysphoria is something associated with degeneracy or trendy. It takes away from people who genuinely struggle but do believe in the Catholic Church. I hope one day the Church and more conservative people who may have the wrong impression can see that we aren't all reactionaries who wanna scream it 24/7 and run around with dog collars and masks lol. While sometimes I disagree, I like your content a lot Trent. God bless all
Those who endeavor who battle these disordered desires are more saintly than most christians, Eternal strength to you, brother. Know that God and the Saints are cheering you on in your path towards virtue!
Trent, I implore you to stop involving yourself with these frivolous internet debates and degenerate online streamers. Vaush should not be given this attention. How many times do we have to rehash this debate about transgenderism? We all know that we are correct and the other side will forever contest that because they represent an evil. I feel like you are grasping for content. Reviewing Vaush videos are beneath you. God bless you Trent
I disagree. People like Vaush and Destiny have way larger followings than Trent. Trent's engagement with these streamers builds traffic for his own channel and presents the other side to those audiences. Trent is right where he needs to be.
while talking about XXY people you said: "It's obvious they are men not women." now, what do you mean by that? their chromosomes aren't XY.... so how can they be men?
It’s amazing we even have to spend breath on this topic. Thanks for the video. You also have my pity for having to listen to Vaush try to explain how Father Mike is wrong. I pray these brothers and sisters find the narrow path soon.
8:45 So social norms are inherently good? This is no longer about god its just about what society thinks. If social norms conform to biological realities, then how is it possible pink was a mans color and blue was a womans color. Did biological reality change? Or was this change socially informed and that social change ended up changing our biology, in which were the men who started using blue being immoral? Or is the case that simply because have a negative emotional response to your actions your actions are immoral?
Nice pivot at the end there; shifting from Vaush talking about the well-known abuse of kids to making it about Vaush. Also, you should do better than just quote mining something Vaush said out of context. His comment pertained to our willingness to purchase goods made by child slave labor, even as we vehemently condemn child “korn.” Both are reprehensible and harm children, but strangely, we seem to ignore that when it comes to buying from other countries.
Why do we oppose crossdressing? "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God." - God, Deuteronomy 22:5 That's not for us, and especially not for a priest, to question.
@@newglof9558It’s about presenting yourself as you are, which is a promotion of truth. So I think any argument would be difficult to make if it could. This is not an argument against women wearing pants or men wearing kilts. At the time of this writing, all men and women wore robes that were nearly identical in construction. However, the manner in which the clothing was worn did not diminish the ability to discern male from female.
@@vinciblegaming6817 Exactly, so to give an example: if a man wears a skirt to be feminine, "be in touch with his feminine side" or express feminility it is sinful by the passage. If he does so not to express some feminility and it alsp just happens to be that in his society these are masculine/neutral clothing then it is fine beyond any doubt. If he does it not to "be feminine" but in a society where skirts are deemed feminine then it *could* be the sin of scandal.
@@igorlopes7589 Another example of this would be St. Joan of Arc, she wore masculine clothes and armor during her time overseeing an army. But she never tried to pass herself off as a man. She wore those things simply because it was necessary given her position and role.
How do we determine what is clothes of a man or a woman? That's completely socially and culturally determined and changes over time. Is there room for unisex clothing or is it all one or the other? How do you tell? If I don my kilt in Scotland and fly to America, do I have to change during the flight so as not to break this law?
For the puppet video, they had to do the following: 1. Assess the need 2. Get people to fund it 3. Find someone to write the script 4. Find people willing to shoot it, light it, act in it, and operate a transspecies puppet dogcat 5. Test screen it and have people say it's a good idea to release it After all this, the school says the video was not to promote an agenda and was not the best choice.
I get what you meant to say, but there is a distinction between "normal" and "natural". Just bc something is a norm doesn't mean it is natural or good, since a "norm" can be a vice, too, like how it is unfortunately a "norm" that American kids and teens are exposed to pornography at a young
From what Trent shows, the dog in the video doesn't claim to be a cat. He just does cat things. They're conflating acting in ways typical of the opposite sex with believing you are the opposite sex, but then they claim it's their opponents that do that. It's such contradictory nonsense.
There's a big difference between accepting someone for who they are and who they think they are. We have no obligation to accept someone for who they think they are.
Sometimes, my cat chirps like a bird because sometimes, cats will try to lure birds that way. My cat is not a bird. Also, dogs don’t have the ability to purr, just like men don’t have the ability to menstruate.
Thank you Trent for bringing clarity to this matter. It’s just sad to see what the world has become today. May the Lord Jesus Christ enlighten and heal our corrupt minds!
I'd love to see Trent Horn talk with James Lindsay about Gnostic/Hermetic subversion in the modern day. Given this video, the Gnostic and Hermetic underpinnings of the Queer Theory [where this Transgender, Enbyism, Therian, and MAP movements derive] would be an excellent place to start. The dialectical [i.e. Gnostic and Hermetic] underpinnings of Feminism and "Toxic Antifeminism", which share the same dialectical logic and substrate just with the "privileged" and "oppressed" categories inverted, might be another good topic. It seems to me as if there is a conflict of metaphysics, specifically where reality originates from. The Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Objectivist view is that reality, being knowable to the human mind, is rooted in the objective. Such that reality is real, regardless of whether anyone can or will perceive it. The other two stem from the error I was taught, but rejected, in the US military: perception is reality. The second view is that reality is intersubjective. That is to say, reality originates from the intersubjective experience of people. People who believe this have a vested interest in changing the collective weltanschauung because the essence of things derives not from some objective reality outside of our perceptions, in their view, but rather from the collective perspective. In which case you can change reality by changing the perspective of the collective into something postmodernists call a hyperreality. The third view is that reality is intrasubjective. That reality arises from the individual, not collective, subjective experience. Of course, this means your perceptions can never be wrong. Both the erroneous viewpoints lead to some pretty dark places.
@@newglof9558 Not relevant to the request. Unless you're a necromancer you can't talk to the dead, and the esoteric religious tradition didn't stop its all-pervading infection when Voegelin died, so we still need people in the here and now.
Hey Trent! Just wanted to let you know that there is a condition in which a person can be born with male chromosomes but have perfectly female anatomy- in fact there are two of these conditions- Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome and Sywer’s syndrome. But even such cases, these people are not ‘true’ women. They cannot menstruate nor can they produce children. Thus, it does not in ANY WAY invalidate the traditional understanding of man and woman. A male is an individual who possesses the predisposition or tendency to produce a particular kind of gamete by virtue of his genetic composition. Even if this tendency were to be obstructed or masked (by say some injury or developmental aberration), the definition for a man does not change. An oak seed does not cease to be an oak seed even if you burn its exterior to prevent it from germinating. It still remains the ‘kind’ of thing it was. In other words, this is a change in accidental form and not substantial form.
"we follow the biology, dammit!" followed up with "people who don't menstruate or have children aren't biologically women and that is a real belief I genuinely, unironically hold." I can immediately think of an entire portion of people on your side of the aisle who would gladly ask where the loose screw is. what do you think they'd tell you, eh? how many people in your family are just as you described? friends, coworkers, neighbors, what have you? hopefully your mind isn't blown by the reality that they do exist, *a lot.* they're not an exception, they're part of the rule, and you'd know that if actually followed the biology. so if they can be women without doing the things you seem to think are a requirement, why not trans women? why not trans men be men? there are certainly cis men amongst you in the faith who have serious, legitimate medical conditions preventing you from successfully creating a child, and yet I don't see very many if not *any* of you in the TH-cam comments saying you're a woman, hey? I gotta say, it's almost as if there is more to the human experience than the physical world, like we could abstract upon the concepts we already know, constructing a new gender of identity at a social level. y'know, something like the abstract concept of gender identity and its use as a social construct. wait a minute, that's that thing them blue-haired sinners are always saying! all the time! over and over! as if they mean it and aren't just making noise to make noise! what a wild concept!
@@Fang1241 anatomically, not genetically. When male children in the womb develop gonads, they begin producing testosterone which then leads the body to follow a development pattern that culminates in male anatomy. This normal pattern of development becomes obstructed when a person has a defective gene for the androgen receptor. This is androgen insensitivity syndrome. In order for testosterone to cause anatomical changes within the body it has to bind to this receptor which exists in cells. When this receptor is not made properly, testosterone can no longer get ‘glued’ onto it, thus causing the person to develop female traits. However, they are still male fundamentally. They can neither menstruate nor produce children. This is because how much ever you modify your external appearances you can’t change the thing you are genetically
@@summerlovinxx you’ve misunderstood my argument. The definition for female is as follows A female is a member of the human species who by virtue of her genetic nature has the predisposition or tendency to produce gametes of a certain kind (ova). Now note very carefully the use of the word ‘predisposition’. I’m not suggesting that women who stop ovulating aren’t women. Women remain women even if they have lost the ability to produce gametes because they still have XX chromosomes. This is why I brought up the example of an oak tree. Even if we were to prevent the germination of an oak seed by burning off its exterior, it does not change the kind of thing it is genetically. All the external sexual characteristics that women have directly ‘flow’ from the fact they have an XX chromosome. So even if one of those external characteristics were to be lost, it doesn’t change the essential nature of a woman. Thus, a woman does not cease to be a woman if she gets a mastectomy or a hysterectomy. Trans women cannot be women because they are not the same thing genetically. A trans person is dependent on the use of hormones for their biological characteristics. Check out Vaush vs Tomas Bogardus on Modern Day Debate. It’s really informative on this very subject.
@@adityaranjit9564 I believe I've already seen the video you're referencing. your point still doesn't make sense. by your logic, we should be calling amputees limbed people because they started off with and had the predisposition to have limbs.
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Remember when they gaslit us by telling us this wasn't happening?
Yeah.
I got one of those like 3 minutes ago in twitter
Proved that slipper slope was not a fallacy
Lol true
@HodgePodgeVids1 Yes, it is a fallacy. But the fallacies only apply when making arguments against a specific proposition. It is fallacious because under the constraints of the argument there is nothing that supports the conclusion. That doesnt mean there's nothing inherently wrong about thinking "x will lead to y" or arguing it against a general proposition. You can do that all day. People don't understand what the fallacies actually are or what they are meant to accomplish by pointing them out.
@@sameash3153saying all things are slippery slopes or nothing is a slippery slope is itself a fallacy. Somethings do lead to worse things and somethings dont🤷♂️
Maybe weed is a gateway to harder drugs, probably caffeine isn't. Go figure.
Vaush is one of those people who if he told me the sky was blue, I'd have to go and double check.
He would also say that the sky being blue is some reason that children can consent. Dude is a creep
@@elKarlo “I thought she was a goblin, officer”
"Well, in dog years they would be of age....." these debates are fruitless as well imho. Certain things shouldn't be discussed openly because children are online.
The whole media is like that
Actually he's the type guy who would argue the sky isn't blue, we are talking about the guy who argued Water isnt H2O in Mexico
“It wasn’t child porn…also I haven’t heard a good legal argument for why possession of child porn should be illegal.” 😬😬😬
I audibly gasped at this. That’s insane.
Vaush was referring to cartoons or ai that doesn’t involve real victims.
@@SenorCinema his very next sentence was “ACTUAL child porn”. Perhaps he clarified later in that video? I would hope so.
Granted, I don’t care if it’s animated or not-producing and distributing imagery of children in a sexual manner, even if drawn, is still disgusting and feeds into a predatory world view that children are for consumption. Child porn made with actual children is worse, due to the victims involved, but that doesn’t mean drawn/animated child porn is blameless.
And that clarification matters HOW? Cp is cp. Even if it didn't involve actual c, it shouldn't be permitted as it could lead to actual rpe of a c. There is no other purpose to it, viewing or possession. Get your moral compass checked out, as it isn't merely a Christian view - doesn't take a Christian to find it evil or inhumane.
@@tylere.8436I totally agree. I think it’s despicable all the way around. It’s just particularly egregious to say “having material that depicts horrible brutalization of children should be legal”, even in the most secular circles.
@@SenorCinema You do realize AI uses prior images in its training data to make its pictures right? It would still be extremely immoral to have AI do it. Instead of advocating for harm to befall a child he could simply say we should lock up active pedophiles and try to help those who struggle with the mental illness.
Vuash is NOT a good faith debating partner.
Ps see his debate with Tomas Bogardus. On that note, see Bogardus dialogue with Destiny and his appearance on Philosophy for the People with host Patrick Flynn (author of brand new 9/10 book on Philosophy of religion titled "The Best Argument for God")
He is basically the poster model for living in the flesh. There are some who should not be entertained for debate and he is definitely one of them for sure.
Vaush is not a good anything.
He literally admitted to be willing to lie for the sake of "winning". There is also his famous CP and computer/iphone argument that to this day he still says was "out of context". I don't know why he still has an audience after the Loli Horse images and his excuse being "I thought it was a short-stacked goblin".
If you plan on debating Vaush, you better have citations for all your points handy.
@@michaels7325 Can you show an example of living out of the flesh and explain how that is relevant to forensic rhetoric?
Trent and Father Mike should 100% start another podcast together
I would like to see them together! Both helped me a lot in appreciating my faith more (cradle Catholic, became lukewarm in high-school, and now striving to be a better believer and child).
I want Trent + Father Mike vs Taylor Marshall. Trent and Mike are good but they're too soft.
@@n4ughty_knight I wouldn’t say they’re soft., they make their arguments easier to approach rather than fire and brimstone.
What if it was just like 96.85567%?
@@highroller-jq3ix nah. 100% only
Seeing Vaush in a Counsel of Trent video is absolutely wild. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone right now
That was exactly me when I saw the video. Never thought I would see the day.
Same here
I was NOT mentally prepared to hear “lolicon” dropped in a Trent Horn episode
It's kinda hilarious. To normal people, the difference between loli and short stacks don't matter. To people even remotely familiar with the topic they would be able to immediately tell the difference between the two and know that trying to conflate them like he did is nothing more than obfuscation of the highest order. Probably one of the funniest things I've seen this year so far.
Well it was inevitable considering we’re talking about Vaush; the folder of loli-horse p*rn really does precede him.
As someone born in Japan, ive been seeing that and much worse since i was 8 lmao. Of course its fiction so I use "worse" mainly because i know that's what you believe
@@lesanon919 There’s a difference even to normal people. Their bodies are only similar via height. You take a simple glance and you’d realize either “oh that’s just a short yet well-endowed woman” or *“oh. that’s a child.”* Vaush was just forcing out an excuse trying to cover himself and failed spectacularly.
@@ExtraVictory My condolences. I know precisely what you’re talking about. There is a TON of vile stuff in H-doujin culture. I don’t care if it’s “not real,” it’s still abhorrent that such grotesque filth is legal and distributed. It makes Marquis de Sade look tame by comparison.
We went from "boys can play with dolls too!" to "if your boy plays with dolls he's actually a girl"
If you think this is how trans people think, please stop getting your news from Trent, Fox News, or the daily wire.
I've friends who jokingly use racial slurs, and they dont think like this either. This line of thinking is exaggerated to make trans people look bad when it isnt even something we think.
But you cannot make that argument against trans people. They will just give you "that is just an outdated stereotype" BS.
Gender ideology (which I believe they even dispute it being an ideology) does not even rely on lies, but ideological fascism/tyranny. You literally cannot debate transgender people because they just dismiss, silence as transphobic, or pretend that it actually affirms their view anything that would destroy their viewpoint. I am convinced that you cannot be a transgender advocate and act rationally. Keep in mind I am someone who really does not like calling an idea "irrational" I think that almost every idea has at least SOME support even if it is weak. For transgenderism, I do not believe that there is even weak support for.
I know right. I mean come on, when I was a boy I played with Kens and Barbies at my grandmothers alongside my Bionicles and Transformers because I imagined them fighting each other to destroy a planet with humans as large as them. Guess I was Non-Binary or still am and don't even know it.
Damnn
Yep. That's the main absurdity about it all.
calling Father Mike "Mister Priest Man" is so rude. i imagine Fr. Mike just laughing though.
Fr. Mike probably would find that funny
Superhero name. Cool.
Hey you guys deliberately disrespect us, so why would we respect you?
@@Myke_thehuman So if you dislike the way someone treats another person, your answer is to do the exact same thing?
It's unsurprising he has no respect for God. Vaush gets his rocks off to more than unacceptable art of children (loli) and has a fetish for horses.
We love Fr Mike Schmitz
I dont
God bless that man. He does so much good work. May God bless him.
@@hunivan7672 god is evil
W profile picture and Fr. Mike Schmitz is the GOAT
W comment
This isn’t even just a religious issue. It’s anti-science and anti-reality.
Science is a religion nowadays
@@n4ughty_knight eh no it's not. Religion is very much a good thing and we should not reinforce our enemy's framing by insisting it's bad and pushing it onto them.
Science is not a religion. Science cannot be a religion. Science is incomplete.
This is literally exclusively a religious issue. This is anti-God.
No, actually it isn’t anti science at all
@@SenorCinemais it fun to just reply randomly to other comments without actually backing up your claims at all? Genuine question, I see you everywhere in Trents video and it's all the same.
Thanks for this video, it was really bothering me that someone would chose to attack someone like Father Mike, who is nothing but respectful and charitable.
Agreed
@@highstrangeness1824 Vaush is a literal commie, he despises all things Christian, probably likes muslims for now...
Father Mike is an important person in my life. I was still an Atheistic-Agnostic until God used Father Mike as an instrument for me to come back to the church.
@@user-ow9zi8uc8g beautiful.
If you read the comments on his channel, Father Mike is always suffering attacks. The last time I've read them, they were saying Mike was too perfect and that was weird. So, they're doing it out of spite.
Isn't vaush the same guy who promotes/got caught looking at CP??
Yep, that is him.
That is correct commander
Yea and horses too
Yep.
@@aglassofmilk5802horses? You know what I don’t want to know
Vaush needs his hard drive searched
his folder got divulged
Vaush is one of those people who really, really challenge me in the "love your enemies" department.
1,000%
You know you're given over to a reprobate mind when your defense is "Eegads! I have been hoodwinked! Why, this isn't my preferable thick short stack goblin porn! How did this dross come to be in my tabs?"
I have to remind myself that what I am being asked to love is what is created by God which is hidden by a multitude of layers of evil choices.
The disfigurement caused by years of evil living can cause us to struggle to see that something divine-like resides at the core of the person.
@@alisterrebelo9013 🎉 Beautifully phrased.
@@alisterrebelo9013Beautifully stated! Whenever I encounter someone I don't like I imagine them as a young child, and immediately empathize with the innocence and hope that they possessed at that time. It leads me to the same conclusion as your wonderful thought experiment.
They first say that gender roles are social constructions, then that you can tell if someone is "trans" by using the same "constructed" social roles. Total insanity.
Masked sexism basically
What heggelianism does tô a mf
And of course being trans is innate.
Its double think, that's the only way the concept even stands.
Some people do take full on one position or the other, but of course that means you can have a discussion about it. With both of these contradictory positions being true, there is no way to actually discuss it.
"They?" You seem totally insane. Are you totally insane?
@@MauricioLSB Exactly. Misogyny should be overt and blatant, the way Catholics do it! Good call.
This is just one of the many reasons why my wife and i chose homeschooling.....
Choose*
And yeah its necessary
Put the kid in sports and other classes they will need socialization.
@@MauricioLSBNo, chose (past tense) is correct. Also was this a necessary comment?
My parents pulled me out before I started 5th grade, because of Common Core. They DID NOT foresee this crap
@@MauricioLSB *it's
🙄
He chose Father Mike of all people, such a nice and kindhearted priest to badmouth like that. Wouldn’t expect less from Vaush, he even felt like he was in the place to laugh at the overused and boring joke of pedo priests as if he wasn’t more likely to be a pedophile.
He’s not a pedo, he’s a horsephile.
And probably a pedo as well
Projection. Vaush knows that he needs to go on the offensive, throwing out accusations to diminish the perceived legitimacy of accusations thrown at him. "Oh, they're just calling him a pedo because he called this guy one"
I mean, if I was in a group, and I found out they were hiding convicted pedophiles, i'd get out of that group asap cause holy shit what the fuck
You can't even deny that fact that it happens cause it happens *so often*
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
Other religions similar to the catholics exist, that don't have pedophiles being run around the country, try looking into them and being apart of them instead.
“When and how did you discover this inner wolfness” the stoic delivery of this line absolutely killed me 😂😂
that was his demeanor throughout the film. 😄
hahah, I don't know how he does it. -Vanessa
The trans Muppet video seems like a parody.
I know and a dog thinking he is a cat highlights the absurdity. I really don't think videos like this help their propaganda. Unless its to make everyone realize it is a joke.
@@MrPeach1 They are self aware even if is subconscious
@@MrPeach1 It helps them because they're testing society. If someone criticizes their propaganda, they silence that opposing voice and in turn, that attracts more people who want that power as well.
They are a parody of themselves
The message is literally about not loving yourself for who you actually are. It’s frustrating that they claim that a dog acting like a not-dog is just “being himself.”
Agreed. Thank you for pointing out the obvious reason the debate shouldn't even be an issue. We have gotten wise in our own eyes, so we often miss what is right in front of us; the basics. Going back to that beginning comment negates the entire debate. By pointing that out, the "argument" should stop right there. The rest of these arguments about biology and the philosophy of it miss the main point of hypocrisy. They want tolerance and for us to believe their lie, yet they cannot accept us for simply speaking truth. All of these big youtubers are celebrities thry know what they're doing. They all want a holy war.
No one actually cares what anyone pretends to be it's the fact that the law is forcing everyone to pretend. Only a few years ago these guys would take their fetish to a prostitute to roleplay, now you'll get fired if you don't 🤮
I think it's more complex than that. This is essentially a conflict of objective and subjective. Objectively, someone is A. Subjectively, someone is B. For example, if someone is ugly, they are objectively "ugly" when compared to what is the aesthetic norm but subjectively that person is never going to accept they are "ugly" because it's a "bad word". So, in essence, people want to be loved but at the same time that "love" comes from others.
❌ Doubt
Yeah, "being yourself" means accepting what you are, not pretending to be something that your genes, physical characteristics, hormones, bone structure/density, muscle mass, and brain chemistry say you most certainly are NOT. It's *denying* being yourself.
There's nothing wrong with being a female with masculine interests, nor a male with feminine interests. It's when you think somebody needs to be "re-educated" to delude themselves into thinking they're actually the opposite gender, and convince them to irreversibly mutilate and chemically castrate themselves, *major* problems arise.
I am so glad I was born in the 1970's. I didn't like dolls, dresses, my only siblings were 4 brothers, I liked to dig in the mud, catch lizards and worms, and I had no clue how to interact with other little girls, girly girls.
I can't even imagine if adults started telling me I was actually a boy...
I was born a decade later and I still feel the same.
I didn’t like pink or dresses… but I was just a tomboy. What happened to all the tomboys?
Same here! What a world, what a world!
The greatest casualty of the transgender insanity bug was the noble tomboy.
TFW they're making tomboys extinct. :(
Sorry to tell you.... but to most lawmakers in the West right now you're probably a boy 😆.
The world's gone mad.
If anyone wants to watch this dude get completely owned on this subject, go watch his debate against Dr Tomas Bogardus (a Catholic philosophy professor)
Link?
Licking isn't a cat thing. Dogs lick too.
I can see you got the point.
And perverts. 😉
They don't lick their paws, and wipe their face. That's a cat thing.
That's like saying in reference to a human sniffing someone's behind that sniffing isn't a dog thing.
@@litigioussociety4249 Apparently it's a dog thing now too.
@@litigioussociety4249 Some do, especially if they grow up with cats around them. Dogs don't have rational immortal souls though and they are not made in God's image, so it doesn't really matter anyways. Humans are held to higher standards.
One thing’s for certain. Do not let Vaush near your children.
Or a horse stable.
The folder thankfully ruined what little chances of gaining public relevancy he had
Or any Catholic
This is such a discriminatory sentence.@@SenorCinema
@@benetgamingchanel4055 cry about it
"Why do you people care so much?" Truth is worth pursuing for its own sake. It doesn't have to affect a person personally.
That question is simply gaslighting. It's like someone beating their child saying "mind your own business".
Yeah, the good ol' "appeal to triviality" fallacy.
"A logical fallacy where someone involved in an argument says the issue being argued over "Doesn't matter" or asking "Why do you care so much?", both in an attempt to shame their opponent into giving up so they can push their agenda unopposed. Easily countered by telling them to shut up and go away if it really doesn't matter, or pointing out their hypocrisy in their continued defense of the issue despite insistently asserting it supposedly doesn't matter."
Libertarianism is preached to the enemy. Drill this into your mind when dealing with these people, and preach it back to them.
Why is it so important to them that we play along?
Anyone using the term "cis" can be ignored.
SHOULD be ignored
Remember when we would only hear "cis-" used properly in organic chemistry courses?
can and must be!
I remember when "cis" meant e^(ix) = cos x + i sin x.
anyone that believes in resurrection myths and demons and miracles should be ignored
They have completely thrown out objective truth. What I would like to ask these social justice warriors is if my daughter has anorexia and even though she’s only 120lbs, she THINKS she is 320lbs and grossly obese, should I help her get liposuction and gastric bypass surgery? We don’t reinforce someone’s body dysphoria, we help them get treatment.
I think the origin of all this mess is that people don't care for one another anymore. For example, if someone has anorexia, instead of actually helping them, people tend to judge and isolate that person which ends up reinforcing their behavior because it becomes "me vs them". This is clearly a product of how selfish our society has become. Why do you think everyone is talking about "acceptance"? It's because nobody actually cares for one another.
You cannot have honest discourse with those who are not interested in truth.
Very good analogy. Keeping this one in my back pocket.....
"if my daughter has anorexia and even though she’s only 120lbs, she THINKS she is 320lbs and grossly obese, should I help her get liposuction and gastric bypass surgery?"
No. you're conflating something that can cause the death of a person due to a process called STARVATION vs ALLOWING someone to live their life in a way that makes them happy and doesn't harm others or themselves. You can personally see it as harming themselves, but generally that's your opinion based on the fact you don't feel conflict over a discrepancy in your sex and gender.
@@blaiseaimee7098 You really shouldn't because this is not a good analogy. Anorexia involves a form of body dysmorphia, which is when you perceive your physical body as something other than it is. For example, anorexic people see fat where none exists and it causes them distress.
Trans people are talking about body dysphoria, which is when your internal identity does not match with what you see in the mirror. This is something that non-trans people also experience. When you look in the mirror and see a belly and it makes you feel uncomfortable, that's a mild form of body dysphoria. Trans people who experience body dysphoria often feel this discomfort for every aspect of their body.
tl;dr This is not a good analogy because an anorexic person sees fat in the mirror where there isn't any. A trans person does not look in the mirror and see a penis where there isn't one. The two are not analogous.
I feel bad Trent has to dig up the Vaush clip on "short stack goblins"
Wait until he finds out :
- why Vaush wishes he was a horse
- him talking on Discord about his gecko biting his willy
- etc
Trent Horn found Braindead after having tô do research on degenerate perverter stuff tô bash breadruber for Being a pervert, may God rest Trents soul
@@rouxmain934I think we can discredit him as a bleeding heart liberal who is the embodiment of everything wrong with this world right now
I can't believe Trent Horn actually said "lolicon"...
You know the saying “things in the dark will come to the light”, it’s pretty fitting. They can’t hide under a username forever you know.
I just have to wonder how many takes it took him to not start laughing at the absurdity
@@t.j.armendariz354its ridiculous to us, but there's nothing funny about it. Its horrific really, so he wouldn't have laughed
@@Mattt5 I mean it is horrific but also it’s objectively absurd to a degree of humor because of how insane and hypocritical it is
Vaush trying to debunk Father Mike is legit the most "evil cannot comprehend good" thing I've ever seen.
How many children has Father Mike molested
And even if he has a molested any how many pedo priests has he helped
I guess "goblins just happen to look like kids" is the new "um, akshully, she's 9000 years old"
The only reason I disagree is that I’m not convinced those guys are pedos. Vaush is actually 100% attracted to children.
Yup can't wait for Christ coming.
Welp the anti-Christ is already doing its duty.
We should be as focused on converting and helping people like Vaush as we are awaiting the second coming.
@@admiralvibe yup, both / and!
@@admiralvibeListen, as someone who used to watch Vaush before coming back to the Light of Christ; I doubt it’ll work. He’s the perfect example of a person with a “Hardened Heart.” He’s lived by his flesh for so long that he’s grown accustomed to the flesh. The only thing that can bring him out of his flesh is God’s Holy Spirit; so perhaps prayer is our only option. It’s disappointing that we can’t save everyone; which is why we must ask God to bring him into His Light.
"These people think they're animals!" "CHRIST IS COMING!!!" 😂
I used to roll my eyes when people would say “we are confusing kids.” But kids are very malleable and they look towards adults to help them make sense of the world. This is bizarre. Feelings are a terrible standard for truth.
It's a power trip to them. "use this name and pronoun" 🤡
Not terrible. TRAGIC.
Kinda. People tend to overlook the role peers can have on behavior.
"feelings are a terrible standard for truth"
Moral argument down, all the rest to go
@@Eliza-rg4vw maybe in your mind, where morality and feefees are one and the same, but nope, try again sweaty
I'm a Sexual Risk Avoidance Educator in Georgia... please pray for us and our young friends to overcome these major distortions of truth 🙏
We actually live right down the road from Bramlett Elementary... It's a guarantee that we won't be sending our kiddos to public school now.
Im just 20 mins from this school shocked this came from Barrow county schools its pretty conservative over there.
@@petera7745 for real! My speculation is that teacher or admin who approved showing this is bought into the LGBT message, and tried to sneak it by unbeknownst to parents. Not today!
"In March 2019, several direct messages were leaked in which Vaush (previously known as IrishLaddie) was acting creepily towards members of Destiny's Discord server, such as sending sexually explicit pictures to people after they asked him not to. Before logs were leaked of the event and discussed by Destiny, he considered confronting one of the victims, as shown in a photo of his Discord. And his accusers claim that he considered doxxing them."
Average "I don't need God to be moral" behavior.
@@fearlesswee5036
Well, after that, morality becomes a difference of opinion rather than an objective standard.
By this logic you should abandon being religious entirely with the amount of sex scandal's priests have been caught in, too many kiddy fiddlers in the church.
Hate the guy all you want, but he makes some decent arguments, unlike the sorry attempt to conflate someone identifying with a gender to a kid identifying as a fictional superhero with inhuman powers.
Or the absolute absurdity of the argument that social norms are based in biological reality. Because apparently the color pink is a biological reality for girls... somehow. Yeah... it made ZERO sense.
Actually wild seeing the “goblin short stack clip” in a Trent Horn video today💀. It’s unfortunate it happened but it’s great seeing you fight off the evils of today
Thanks so much for watching!!! -Vanessa
As a kid, I played with boys toys, loved to dress like a boy and would try to pee standing up. I'm now a heterosexual mother of 3 who is happily married to a wonderful man. I'm so glad I was born in the 80s!
Same except the 90's 😉
You should thank God everyday you weren't born in this age...
The death of the tomboy is perhaps the greatest causality of the transgender insanity :(
2:00 The definition of normal is literally statistically common. Thats why they’re normal.
Commoness is one definition of normality, yes, but normality does not limit itself to commoness. Many things may become common with enough environmental pressure, and thus be normal in that sense, but be unnatural and thus not normal in another sense.
No, to be normal is to tend towards the purpose of a thing. Divorce is statistically common, but it is not normal, because by definition marriage is a lifelong union.
@@renaissanceman419 When your sample size is large enough, divorce is not statistically common.
If you think about the field of medicine there are lots of things that are normal but uncommon - for example having red hair. Normal isn't the same as common.
Moral relativism is hard at work in the dog video.
The weird dog needs to be accepted because the weird dog likes his weirdness.
The fact that the weird dog believes that he prefers that weirdness for himself is the only moral foundation of why it is good for him to be weird. If the weird dog did not want to be weird, it would likely be seen as a problem, either to help the dog stop being weird or to help the dog want to be weird.
The fact that he is acting out of accord with reality and causing discord within himself and confusion among others to their detriment is apparently irrelevant.
The fact that his desire and preference is changeable seems to mean that his desire cannot be a real moral foundation, or that his identity is a costume he puts on and not a real thing.
It's incredible that Vaush still has any viewers at all!!
Vaush's chat full of disrespectful comments towards Fr. Mike
"Priest be thinking about little boys"
Pure and disgusting projection from those idiots
Not based at all on the real world scandals committed by and still continued today by the catholic Church?
I wasn't ready for 2:44
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. May God have mercy and grace on us in these times.
The fact that Trent went to find Vaush’s previous comments and expose him on this channel is pure gold.
This is all so sad, what happened to doctors taking an oath of do no harm :(
"Accepting people for who they are" is a rhetorical trap. These people "who accept who they are" are in reality rejecting who they are.
"Not normal. Just more common"
That's what normal is though! Normal is what is most common!
Mm normal could also mean "how things should be", respecting the nature of the thing, what they were created to be
Only Vaush would go after Fr. Mike. What a clown.
And apparently he thinks Fr. Mike was never a 12-year-old boy🙄
I would recommend not "debating" Vaush. He is legitimately one of the most aggravating people to talk to that I've ever seen. Absolutely no values or ideals beyond "winning" a debate, to the point that he'll make asinine statements like "H2O isn't water in Mexico, it's Aqua". His "defense" of his Lolicon pornography collection is just an example of his dishonest tactics.
Bruh how can they bring man’s best friend into this. Dogs have been dogs,for all history . Now they’re in the dcbtq+ spectrum.smh
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I love how people like Vaush make videos to explain to us idiots how we've been mistaken for thousands of years.
Uhhh yeah?
Millions of things believed for thousands of years have been overturned by new evidence.
The earth being round, orbiting the sun, etc etc etc.
We are always continuing to increase our knowledge of the world and ourselves. The older a belief is, the less likely it's true as we improve our methods of determining truth.
Things don't become true just because you believe them for a long time.
@@FireheadLazzo
...and a belief more recent within a linear timeline doesn't make them more true.
Or are you making the case for flat earth ?
Or maybe you're making the case that the period of lobotomy practice was superior to periods prior when it wasnt essentially "the new thing".
If a more timeline present decision equaled a superior decision, you wouldnt be capable of making decisions (regarding topics you're life learned on) tomorrow that are inferior to your past decisions.
Meanwhile there are plenty of people that assembled perfectly happy family lives that destroyed them via infidelity, VERY success business personalities that later bankrupted themselves via business decisions, etc.
"Claims are not evidence unless a five years old says they are the opposite sex"
Matt Dillahunty eternally BTFO
sex and gender aren't the same thing. gender is a social construct. I can learn of someone's gender the same way I can learn of someone's political affiliation, by asking them
@@SenorCinema Can you provide any evidence for this distinction?
@SenorCinema Gender, as differences in behavior between males and females, is not a social construct since it is conditioned mostly by biology and evolutionary psychology. Virtually all society in history, and surely all the major ones, had it.
But even if it was a social construct, so what? Law, school, police, democracy, language, those are all social construct, are you going to reject them just because of that?
@SeniorCinema
Gender is a linguistic term, sex - to describe biological differences between male and female. That’s it
Bro I’ve been waiting for this guy to react to Vaush
In my home country, in response to the Cass report in the UK, every single mainstream media outlet published the same article from a mother who has one supposedly trans kid and one supposedly non-binary kid (what are the odds?!) arguing against the report. The trans identifying boy was put on puberty blockers at 10, then estrogen at 14. The article admits that concerns about future fertility were raised before the estrogen, but that the boy chose to go ahead, as if a kid between 10 and 14 could possibly make such a decision.
Every MSM outlet published this same article.
This is from New Zealand. The same article describes how the mother actively "affirmed" the boy (as a girl) from the age of 8 years old!
And apparently the rate of prescribing puberty blockers to kids in NZ is "more than 10 times" the rate in England!
Never wanted this cross over to happen.
I won't complain tho.
Isn’t Vaush the guy who says child porn is fine?
Off topic, but Mr. Horn, I love the thumbnails. You remind me of a disappointed father who is about to dish out some much needed discipline.
Using red light and green light? If we act in contradiction to the traffic light, someone is going to get hit and be hurt or die. But if a boy wears a dress? Who gets hurt? If a girl wears pants? Who dies?
No one. That's who, no one is hurt by Timmy wearing frilly dresses, or Jane wearing a 3 piece suit like gentlemen in 1900s did.
So please, explain to me the dangers of allowing men to wear dresses, because as it was argued it's "arbitrary" which means it doesn't matter, just like the reason why we use red to mean stop and green to mean go is arbitrary, the difference is one is deployed to make driving safer by using such colors to communicate non verbally. A man in a dress doesn't harm anything other than apparently your own sense of masculinity where everyone must act in accordance to their gender/sex, because you are seemingly insecure about what others do.
"Social norms help clue us into biological reality" Of all the absolute dog 💩 I've heard before, that one takes the cake. How does a boy wearing pink affect "biological reality"? It doesn't it just affects how you feel, and that's all it's really about, how you feel insecure when your gender/sex isn't just a given, an assumed reality.
I can name a few...
Society as a whole.
The truth.
Women that have a right to a safe space without some bearded dude with autogynephillia entering their space (to get off).
Women athletes doing their absolute best just to have a biological male come in and dominate them, and even take scholarships and opportunities from them.
Children, who are confused enough in their identity, don't need to be needlessly confused further, and who also have a right to that safe space listed above.
Men who feel like less of a man just because an ideology is telling them they should be a girl if they're not full of toxic masculinity.
True, old-school feminists.
Gays and lesbians (it's the new conversion therapy).
Neurodivergent people (ASD, ADHD, personality disorders) because they are super easily influenced into the ideology more than others.
REALITY (and biology, and nature).
Their families.
Counter culture. It used to be cool or about music, but now it's dangerous and about victimhood.
Those of us that fought to abolish stereotypical gender norms in the first place, just to have this cult tell us that you must fit into a gender stereotype.
Actual transsexuals.
Mental health (which is everyone).
Those struggling with acceptance. Just be yourself, not something you're not.
People trying to fight against big pharma when this just plays right into it.
Detransitioners.
Actual victims.
People of dating age. This sure makes it harder, which means....
Future humans. They'll be less of them. Because it still takes a man and a woman to make one.
The ones that did fall to this ideology and thus created a sense of victimhood that wouldn't have existed before, which proved more detrimental to their mental health which led them to off themselves.
Just to name of few.
Plus you know full damn well, it's not just about a guy that wears a dress. It's a slippery slope that goes much, much deeper. Nobody really had a problem with that before. It's when this became a movement and started targeting children, and stripping women's rights away from them, and literally trying to alter reality through manipulation of language and everything else, that it became problematic. By all means, let your freak flag fly.....but there's also nothing wrong with 'normal'. Normal is normal for a reason (that's valid).
There's no reason for this to be so convoluted. I've always hated pink, didn't like wearing dresses, hate flowers & pastels & frilliness, always got on better with the guys than the gals. I was voted most eccentric in high school. Played sports, and a bass instrument in band. I would totally be pressured and told I was trans or non-binary if I were growing up today, but guess what? Even if I have a majority of masculine traits over feminine traits...
I'm still 100% woman.
This will always be worth watching whenever I think homeschooling is hard.
I'm sure that if there was a muppet video like that when I was growing up in the early 2000s, the adults would be reminding the dog that it can pretend to be a cat, but that's just pretend, not for real.
The important thing they missed is that, that dog can enjoy doing things cat do without being a cat. Women can enjoy men stuff and vice versa without actually being the opposite genders.
Enjoying different hobbies is okay.
The horse lover smearing an impeccable priest, color me surprised.
I miss the days when we could recognize weird things as being weird.
Amen and hello from a fellow mom of a little boy Spiderman 🤣
01:37 Imagine if the other dog felt like he was a dog during the 1930s in Germany. I bet they would not encourage him.
Responding to Vaush is picking VERY low hanging fruit
Like did you see his arugment he realy need to, i mean he denfd the chrure how spend million to cover up all ther crimes.
I was really into Harry Potter and LOTR growing up and I thought I was a wizard when I was under 5 years old so you all better respect my magical powers.
OMG!! What is wrong with the world!!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
personally , I am a Catholic and I struggle with gender dysphoria. I do disagree with some things in this video like gender dysphoria being the same thing as BIID, because gender dysphoria actually has medical backing while researchers are still trying to find out what can cause it whether it be hormones, genetics or brain chemicals etc. But my point is, as a Catholic who does struggle with gender dysphoria, I hate that being gender dysphoria is something associated with degeneracy or trendy. It takes away from people who genuinely struggle but do believe in the Catholic Church. I hope one day the Church and more conservative people who may have the wrong impression can see that we aren't all reactionaries who wanna scream it 24/7 and run around with dog collars and masks lol. While sometimes I disagree, I like your content a lot Trent. God bless all
leave this cult before its too late
Those who endeavor who battle these disordered desires are more saintly than most christians, Eternal strength to you, brother. Know that God and the Saints are cheering you on in your path towards virtue!
Trent, I implore you to stop involving yourself with these frivolous internet debates and degenerate online streamers. Vaush should not be given this attention. How many times do we have to rehash this debate about transgenderism? We all know that we are correct and the other side will forever contest that because they represent an evil. I feel like you are grasping for content. Reviewing Vaush videos are beneath you. God bless you Trent
I disagree. People like Vaush and Destiny have way larger followings than Trent. Trent's engagement with these streamers builds traffic for his own channel and presents the other side to those audiences. Trent is right where he needs to be.
while talking about XXY people you said: "It's obvious they are men not women." now, what do you mean by that? their chromosomes aren't XY.... so how can they be men?
If chromosomes define your gender, then they MUST be another gender... right?
It’s amazing we even have to spend breath on this topic.
Thanks for the video. You also have my pity for having to listen to Vaush try to explain how Father Mike is wrong.
I pray these brothers and sisters find the narrow path soon.
If a dog acted like a cat it would still just be a dog....that acted like a cat
species aren't genders.
8:45 So social norms are inherently good? This is no longer about god its just about what society thinks. If social norms conform to biological realities, then how is it possible pink was a mans color and blue was a womans color. Did biological reality change?
Or was this change socially informed and that social change ended up changing our biology, in which were the men who started using blue being immoral?
Or is the case that simply because have a negative emotional response to your actions your actions are immoral?
Nice pivot at the end there; shifting from Vaush talking about the well-known abuse of kids to making it about Vaush.
Also, you should do better than just quote mining something Vaush said out of context. His comment pertained to our willingness to purchase goods made by child slave labor, even as we vehemently condemn child “korn.” Both are reprehensible and harm children, but strangely, we seem to ignore that when it comes to buying from other countries.
Why do we oppose crossdressing?
"A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God."
- God, Deuteronomy 22:5
That's not for us, and especially not for a priest, to question.
Could one make the argument that this is merely part of the Mosaic law, that has been superceded/fulfilled in Christ?
@@newglof9558It’s about presenting yourself as you are, which is a promotion of truth. So I think any argument would be difficult to make if it could.
This is not an argument against women wearing pants or men wearing kilts. At the time of this writing, all men and women wore robes that were nearly identical in construction. However, the manner in which the clothing was worn did not diminish the ability to discern male from female.
@@vinciblegaming6817 Exactly, so to give an example: if a man wears a skirt to be feminine, "be in touch with his feminine side" or express feminility it is sinful by the passage. If he does so not to express some feminility and it alsp just happens to be that in his society these are masculine/neutral clothing then it is fine beyond any doubt. If he does it not to "be feminine" but in a society where skirts are deemed feminine then it *could* be the sin of scandal.
@@igorlopes7589 Another example of this would be St. Joan of Arc, she wore masculine clothes and armor during her time overseeing an army. But she never tried to pass herself off as a man. She wore those things simply because it was necessary given her position and role.
How do we determine what is clothes of a man or a woman? That's completely socially and culturally determined and changes over time. Is there room for unisex clothing or is it all one or the other?
How do you tell?
If I don my kilt in Scotland and fly to America, do I have to change during the flight so as not to break this law?
For the puppet video, they had to do the following:
1. Assess the need
2. Get people to fund it
3. Find someone to write the script
4. Find people willing to shoot it, light it, act in it, and operate a transspecies puppet dogcat
5. Test screen it and have people say it's a good idea to release it
After all this, the school says the video was not to promote an agenda and was not the best choice.
I just remember this guy because some libertarian guy calls him "VOOOOSH!".
Ah yes, “Horse Lovin’” Vaush
Vaush and Cenk can get along for their stallion fascination
I get what you meant to say, but there is a distinction between "normal" and "natural". Just bc something is a norm doesn't mean it is natural or good, since a "norm" can be a vice, too, like how it is unfortunately a "norm" that American kids and teens are exposed to pornography at a young
Natural also doesn't mean good.
Putting that last clip of Vaush explaining Goblin p**n was absolutely the cherry on top 😂 Well done Trent
Thanks so much for watching! -Vanessa
I love the idea of a dog thinking he's a cat as an analogy for transgenderism, and it's supposed to make you PRO trans lmfao
Their analogy did not go as planned! oops! -Vanessa
Vaush is barely human.
From what Trent shows, the dog in the video doesn't claim to be a cat. He just does cat things. They're conflating acting in ways typical of the opposite sex with believing you are the opposite sex, but then they claim it's their opponents that do that. It's such contradictory nonsense.
Oh no, Trent Horn has discovered breadtube.
There's a big difference between accepting someone for who they are and who they think they are. We have no obligation to accept someone for who they think they are.
sounds like you reduce people down to their bodies.
Sometimes, my cat chirps like a bird because sometimes, cats will try to lure birds that way. My cat is not a bird. Also, dogs don’t have the ability to purr, just like men don’t have the ability to menstruate.
A dog can never be a cat. Just ask any cat! 😄 I always said my cat would never want to be a dog. She knows she’s superior to any dog! 😅
Vaush is the human embodiment of Reddit.
The master redditor himself
Thank you Trent for bringing clarity to this matter. It’s just sad to see what the world has become today. May the Lord Jesus Christ enlighten and heal our corrupt minds!
I try to have compassion for all people, but some people I have to have compassion for from WAAAAAAAAAAY over here.
Vaush is one of them.
You don't have to have compassion. Just pray for their guardian angel to help them find the right path.
>Vaush
No big surprise here
Would not be surprised if Vaush ends up in prison
These people don’t really think they’re animals, but they still expect other people to.
As a young boy I used to play with dolls
I would make them fight each other
lol
"We should accept people for what they are!"
It's a shame that dog couldn't accept himself for what he was, a dog!
" *We should accept people for what they are!* "
So they're making the case for serial killers....
It’s interesting that they’re unable to make an analogy that doesn’t prove they’re wrong. Yeah it’s a DOG that thinks it’s a CAT.
I'd love to see Trent Horn talk with James Lindsay about Gnostic/Hermetic subversion in the modern day. Given this video, the Gnostic and Hermetic underpinnings of the Queer Theory [where this Transgender, Enbyism, Therian, and MAP movements derive] would be an excellent place to start. The dialectical [i.e. Gnostic and Hermetic] underpinnings of Feminism and "Toxic Antifeminism", which share the same dialectical logic and substrate just with the "privileged" and "oppressed" categories inverted, might be another good topic.
It seems to me as if there is a conflict of metaphysics, specifically where reality originates from. The Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Objectivist view is that reality, being knowable to the human mind, is rooted in the objective. Such that reality is real, regardless of whether anyone can or will perceive it.
The other two stem from the error I was taught, but rejected, in the US military: perception is reality.
The second view is that reality is intersubjective. That is to say, reality originates from the intersubjective experience of people. People who believe this have a vested interest in changing the collective weltanschauung because the essence of things derives not from some objective reality outside of our perceptions, in their view, but rather from the collective perspective. In which case you can change reality by changing the perspective of the collective into something postmodernists call a hyperreality.
The third view is that reality is intrasubjective. That reality arises from the individual, not collective, subjective experience. Of course, this means your perceptions can never be wrong.
Both the erroneous viewpoints lead to some pretty dark places.
Voegelin did it better than Lindsey
@@newglof9558 Not relevant to the request.
Unless you're a necromancer you can't talk to the dead, and the esoteric religious tradition didn't stop its all-pervading infection when Voegelin died, so we still need people in the here and now.
Mr. "Water was not always H2O" Aqua Vaush
Hey Trent! Just wanted to let you know that there is a condition in which a person can be born with male chromosomes but have perfectly female anatomy- in fact there are two of these conditions- Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome and Sywer’s syndrome.
But even such cases, these people are not ‘true’ women. They cannot menstruate nor can they produce children. Thus, it does not in ANY WAY invalidate the traditional understanding of man and woman.
A male is an individual who possesses the predisposition or tendency to produce a particular kind of gamete by virtue of his genetic composition. Even if this tendency were to be obstructed or masked (by say some injury or developmental aberration), the definition for a man does not change.
An oak seed does not cease to be an oak seed even if you burn its exterior to prevent it from germinating. It still remains the ‘kind’ of thing it was. In other words, this is a change in accidental form and not substantial form.
We all literally started as female
"we follow the biology, dammit!" followed up with "people who don't menstruate or have children aren't biologically women and that is a real belief I genuinely, unironically hold." I can immediately think of an entire portion of people on your side of the aisle who would gladly ask where the loose screw is. what do you think they'd tell you, eh? how many people in your family are just as you described? friends, coworkers, neighbors, what have you? hopefully your mind isn't blown by the reality that they do exist, *a lot.* they're not an exception, they're part of the rule, and you'd know that if actually followed the biology.
so if they can be women without doing the things you seem to think are a requirement, why not trans women? why not trans men be men? there are certainly cis men amongst you in the faith who have serious, legitimate medical conditions preventing you from successfully creating a child, and yet I don't see very many if not *any* of you in the TH-cam comments saying you're a woman, hey?
I gotta say, it's almost as if there is more to the human experience than the physical world, like we could abstract upon the concepts we already know, constructing a new gender of identity at a social level. y'know, something like the abstract concept of gender identity and its use as a social construct. wait a minute, that's that thing them blue-haired sinners are always saying! all the time! over and over! as if they mean it and aren't just making noise to make noise! what a wild concept!
@@Fang1241 anatomically, not genetically. When male children in the womb develop gonads, they begin producing testosterone which then leads the body to follow a development pattern that culminates in male anatomy. This normal pattern of development becomes obstructed when a person has a defective gene for the androgen receptor. This is androgen insensitivity syndrome. In order for testosterone to cause anatomical changes within the body it has to bind to this receptor which exists in cells. When this receptor is not made properly, testosterone can no longer get ‘glued’ onto it, thus causing the person to develop female traits.
However, they are still male fundamentally. They can neither menstruate nor produce children. This is because how much ever you modify your external appearances you can’t change the thing you are genetically
@@summerlovinxx you’ve misunderstood my argument. The definition for female is as follows
A female is a member of the human species who by virtue of her genetic nature has the predisposition or tendency to produce gametes of a certain kind (ova). Now note very carefully the use of the word ‘predisposition’. I’m not suggesting that women who stop ovulating aren’t women. Women remain women even if they have lost the ability to produce gametes because they still have XX chromosomes. This is why I brought up the example of an oak tree. Even if we were to prevent the germination of an oak seed by burning off its exterior, it does not change the kind of thing it is genetically.
All the external sexual characteristics that women have directly ‘flow’ from the fact they have an XX chromosome. So even if one of those external characteristics were to be lost, it doesn’t change the essential nature of a woman. Thus, a woman does not cease to be a woman if she gets a mastectomy or a hysterectomy.
Trans women cannot be women because they are not the same thing genetically. A trans person is dependent on the use of hormones for their biological characteristics.
Check out Vaush vs Tomas Bogardus on Modern Day Debate. It’s really informative on this very subject.
@@adityaranjit9564 I believe I've already seen the video you're referencing. your point still doesn't make sense. by your logic, we should be calling amputees limbed people because they started off with and had the predisposition to have limbs.
I'm shocked that Trent would even give Vaush the publicity.
The guy is dishonest intellectually and morally.