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@@kagetoshin9761 the Great horned rat doesn't need lesser demons because with how many skaven exists there is no room for them anyway. what is needed is generals able to match up with the others faction's big hitters. as for chaos Spawn the hell pit Abomination fills that roll, if not literally very much functionally.
A thing worth noting:Among the skaven the invoking of a verminlord is only preformed in the most dire of circumstances when no other viable options remain. The Grey seers,warlocks and sorcerers with knowledge of the spells that draw the attention of a Verminlord upon them use them with some degree of unease and fear as they know the creature they are about to unleash upon the world is way more powerful and wicked than they could ever be in their wildest dreams.
In my head cannon Queek did not die in the old world he was ascended to demon hood by the great horned rat after his battle with the dwarfs. Becoming a Verminlord Warbringer.
Verminlords? More or less Greater Daemons of the Great Horned Rat. Kinda like Bloodthirsters in terms of physical power with a bit of Lords of Change with the magical power, cross that with plagues and diseases from Great Unclean Ones and you basically have a Verminlord right there. Great video Choyer, yes-yes! More-More videos on the Skaven! The Council of Thirteen demands-commands it!
See I’m convinced that verminlords are demon princes of the great horned rat, given that we don’t know where they come from, and they operate often of a will of their own which isn’t typical of demons of a chaos god. Then again I could be wrong there and the Horned Rat could be chaos undivided made manifest, this his demons are hard to control. But since we know Skreech Verminking is a council of 13 who was put into a single Verminlord I don’t the demon prince theory likely.
@@RawMeat1226 they also exist in the Old World, the Skaven campaign in Total War Warhammer 2 features a Verminlord, even though he doesn't appear as a unit.
I can see these being added into the game. Maybe they'll adopt the Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince mechanic by allowing certain Skaven lords to prove themselves as "worthy sacrifices" to summon these to replace the lords. The specific Verminlord could also depend on the faction, such as Eshin, Mors, etc. Either way, super cool and another well made video
Each of the clans do have a dedicated and named verminlord they could add as LLs. It's weird that a lore video about verminlords didn't even bring up the shadow council of thirteen. Clan Eshin has a verminlord deceiver called Lurklox
So for a while I thought the Horned Rat was an extention to one of the four Chaos Gods like Nurgle. That is until I found this thing that stated that the Horned Rat is a literal threat to the Chaos Gods and while I'm not sure if this actually happened as I was only told this recently by a friend but supposedly during the End Times the Horned Rat became one of the most powerful Warp entities in Fantasy even "killing" Slaanesh and battling Korne and Nurgle to a standstill. Note this friend of mine is a hardcore Skaven fan who hates Slaanesh so he might be over exaggerating since he knows I like Slaanesh as well as Nurgle the most. Now I am curious if the Horned Rat is a culmination of all 4 of the Gods conjured by the Skaven, a singular representation of the Ruinous Powers made manifest in the Warp by their unending worship and insane numbers as it seems in Warhammer the more followers of a belief there is the more potent and powerful the entity representing that belief becomes. Skaven are near endless in number so maybe that's why this God is growing in power so fast.
The horned rat was a minor choas god til the end times but the end of which he took the place of slaanesh in one fell swoop as one of the 4 main chaos gods, he called it the great ascendancy.
In my opinion, the Great Horned Rat is the 5th Chaos God, specifically representing Chaos Undivided. As the Skaven themselves embody aspects of all 4 Chaos Gods.
I wonder if the horned rats daemons from the Book of the Rat are still canon. I hope so its always seemed kinda lame that the only daemons the horned rat has is basically a greater daemon, daemon prince hybrid instead of his own bloodletters equivalent.
Im still baffled that Imperials are so quick to dismiss that the skaven exist. They live in a world where beastmen, demons, magic and more exist and they dont believe that there is a race of sentient rats. The dwarves know they exist!
@@Rellikan On one hand that would make sense, but on the other I have read all the Gotrek and Felix books, and it wasnt until Age of Sigmar that people didnt outright deny their existence.
It's not too surprising because they also barely believe in the beastmen aside from the occasional gave being born. Scaven and beastmen are basically a part of history for the living men in the lore. Attacks are rare, and on isolated people with almost zero possibility of survivors to tell the tale. Scaven and beastmen are basically just folktales to the imperials until the end when all hell breaks loose and it's too late.
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Wasn't there one Verminlord who seriously pissed off Achaon during the end times, and decided that the best course of action was to leg it in the other direction.
Hey another question when the lords of the dlcs announced on the roadmap of this year are revealed, can you please do lore videos for them if you haven't done it already.
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I personally like to think of the Horned Rat as a rogue agent of Nurgle, and Hashut one of Khorne...but official lore has them as lesser Chaos Gods proper, even if they are basically knock-off versions of two of the Ruinous Powers.
Hey, I was wondering if you could do the lore or battle cinematic of all of athel loren coming under attack by gorthor i think? I just want to see the cinematic battle of them attack the wildwoods
the waythe horned rat sounds. at least to me who knows little about the fansaty warhammer. one of the main reason im here is to learn it but the horn rat sounds like a nurgle or a lesser more mean version with some teezeh thrown in
u along the right idea. he embodies aspects that both nurgle and tzeentch represent which is also why tzeentch hates him so much. it is also said that the skaven technically represent all aspects of the chaos gods, so the skaven indirectly help the ruinous powers.
alrighty i think i have a better idea now, thank you for helping clear it up a bit. the horned rat has bits of the main of the four. he's sorta like a god of chaos undivided. sorta roughly.@@dvjxnz
I wonder what Nurgle reaction when he met this Demon Rat for the first time. Is it: 1. Finally a worthy rivals, our plagues Will be disastrous 2. Did my maggot pregnant a Rat!? 3. You are adopted 4. I Am Your Father 5. Ratty Ratty chip chip chip~ 6. Want some Cheese? 7. Yeah so cool bRat, high five 🖐️ 8. I want you to become my Jerry. Tom has been so angry lately because his child has Stab him from behind because the twisted blue bird in the cage always chirp on him and the White female cat is an Impostor, The truth is its a black male cat in disguise. Yeah you know the usual stuff of chaos home
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Verminlord sounds like an equivalent of Greater Daemons for the Horned Rat.
That's exactly what they are
Yes. Precisely that
Yeah and i expected more demon kind from Great Hornet Rat lesser demon version of Verminlord or Chaos Spawn version of Great Horned Rat Demon.
From what I've heard of skaven lore in some cases, very rare cases they are a sort of daemon prince of the horned rat whem a lord of decay ascends.
@@kagetoshin9761 the Great horned rat doesn't need lesser demons because with how many skaven exists there is no room for them anyway. what is needed is generals able to match up with the others faction's big hitters. as for chaos Spawn the hell pit Abomination fills that roll, if not literally very much functionally.
A thing worth noting:Among the skaven the invoking of a verminlord is only preformed in the most dire of circumstances when no other viable options remain.
The Grey seers,warlocks and sorcerers with knowledge of the spells that draw the attention of a Verminlord upon them use them with some degree of unease and fear as they know the creature they are about to unleash upon the world is way more powerful and wicked than they could ever be in their wildest dreams.
Verminlords: *being living symbols of Death & Decay*
Nurgle: "And I took that personally."
Minus the rebirth
Yeah, the Horned Rat basically pilfered Nurgle and Tzeentch's homeworks and went all "I made this".
Typical Skaven.
No it's different, the Great Horned Rat just ruin all, eat, consume.
Doesn't the horned rat live in nurgle's realm?
I hope they add these guys to Warhammer 3 one day. Probably my favorite Skaven unit. Thanks for the new video 👍
Question is will they be a unit/hero or lord? 🤔
@@quandrius92 I think heroes or legendary heroes would work with them.
@@quandrius92 they may be added like Greater daemons. Where there’s a unit version and a lord version
I think skaven could always get some love
There is a mod for that now 😊
In my head cannon Queek did not die in the old world he was ascended to demon hood by the great horned rat after his battle with the dwarfs. Becoming a Verminlord Warbringer.
I want to make this. In my head cannon he got merged with his bodyguard and now he's like a microcosm of Skreech
Verminlords? More or less Greater Daemons of the Great Horned Rat. Kinda like Bloodthirsters in terms of physical power with a bit of Lords of Change with the magical power, cross that with plagues and diseases from Great Unclean Ones and you basically have a Verminlord right there.
Great video Choyer, yes-yes! More-More videos on the Skaven! The Council of Thirteen demands-commands it!
See I’m convinced that verminlords are demon princes of the great horned rat, given that we don’t know where they come from, and they operate often of a will of their own which isn’t typical of demons of a chaos god. Then again I could be wrong there and the Horned Rat could be chaos undivided made manifest, this his demons are hard to control. But since we know Skreech Verminking is a council of 13 who was put into a single Verminlord I don’t the demon prince theory likely.
Also the super dexterity and sneakyness of slannesh so it can rack up the 4 for 4
I need this unit in Total Warhammer 3
Yeah totally should be
They don't exist in fantasy they're from AoS
@@RawMeat1226 you're killing my dreams
@@RawMeat1226 they also exist in the Old World, the Skaven campaign in Total War Warhammer 2 features a Verminlord, even though he doesn't appear as a unit.
Really wish they were.
I can see these being added into the game. Maybe they'll adopt the Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince mechanic by allowing certain Skaven lords to prove themselves as "worthy sacrifices" to summon these to replace the lords. The specific Verminlord could also depend on the faction, such as Eshin, Mors, etc. Either way, super cool and another well made video
Each of the clans do have a dedicated and named verminlord they could add as LLs. It's weird that a lore video about verminlords didn't even bring up the shadow council of thirteen. Clan Eshin has a verminlord deceiver called Lurklox
Praise-revere the Horned Rat, yes-yes!
Skaven invade
Bretonia: AH A RAT
Ohhhhh shiiii it’s a R@t
Book of Choyer video? Skaven lore video? SOUND OF BELLS?!
PRAISE THE HORNED RAT! YES-YES!
Thanqol Lord pack with Verminlord variants as hero units? Yes please!
Yes-YES!
So for a while I thought the Horned Rat was an extention to one of the four Chaos Gods like Nurgle. That is until I found this thing that stated that the Horned Rat is a literal threat to the Chaos Gods and while I'm not sure if this actually happened as I was only told this recently by a friend but supposedly during the End Times the Horned Rat became one of the most powerful Warp entities in Fantasy even "killing" Slaanesh and battling Korne and Nurgle to a standstill. Note this friend of mine is a hardcore Skaven fan who hates Slaanesh so he might be over exaggerating since he knows I like Slaanesh as well as Nurgle the most.
Now I am curious if the Horned Rat is a culmination of all 4 of the Gods conjured by the Skaven, a singular representation of the Ruinous Powers made manifest in the Warp by their unending worship and insane numbers as it seems in Warhammer the more followers of a belief there is the more potent and powerful the entity representing that belief becomes. Skaven are near endless in number so maybe that's why this God is growing in power so fast.
The horned rat was a minor choas god til the end times but the end of which he took the place of slaanesh in one fell swoop as one of the 4 main chaos gods, he called it the great ascendancy.
In my opinion, the Great Horned Rat is the 5th Chaos God, specifically representing Chaos Undivided. As the Skaven themselves embody aspects of all 4 Chaos Gods.
Amazing narration and great script as always. Bravo!
Mickey is the most powerful VerminLord
Not even the Great Horned Rat is that vile.
The most greediest and most foul one
Skaven, do not utter-speak that name!
No, Mickey Skaven is the Horned Rat
I wonder if the horned rats daemons from the Book of the Rat are still canon. I hope so its always seemed kinda lame that the only daemons the horned rat has is basically a greater daemon, daemon prince hybrid instead of his own bloodletters equivalent.
Praise be to Hakos Baelz, the avatar of the Great Horned Rat!
Im still baffled that Imperials are so quick to dismiss that the skaven exist.
They live in a world where beastmen, demons, magic and more exist and they dont believe that there is a
race of sentient rats.
The dwarves know they exist!
The people high up in the empire knows they exist, they just keep the knowledge hidden to prevent empire wide panic.
They lump Skaven into the Beastmen threat.
@@Rellikan On one hand that would make sense, but on the other I have read all the Gotrek and Felix books, and it wasnt until Age of Sigmar that people didnt outright deny their existence.
It's not too surprising because they also barely believe in the beastmen aside from the occasional gave being born. Scaven and beastmen are basically a part of history for the living men in the lore. Attacks are rare, and on isolated people with almost zero possibility of survivors to tell the tale.
Scaven and beastmen are basically just folktales to the imperials until the end when all hell breaks loose and it's too late.
@@bigquazz3955 At some point there should have been a faction of humans who should have known of the demons and skaven and beastmen as undeniably real
Oh yes-yes, praise-fear the verminlords!
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Do dwarfs
this would be soooo awesome in total war warhammer
Absorbing your content like mad. After dwarves and beastmen this is another gem
For the algorithm
Wow!!! Awesome video!! Always a pleasure eager to hear
Wasn't there one Verminlord who seriously pissed off Achaon during the end times, and decided that the best course of action was to leg it in the other direction.
Now is time of the HORNED RAT, Yes-Yeeeees!
I do hope for Skaven DLC Total War Warhammer 3 featuring Thanquol,Stormfiends and Verminlords to finally fill out the Skaven's roster.
Hey another question when the lords of the dlcs announced on the roadmap of this year are revealed, can you please do lore videos for them if you haven't done it already.
Let’s fuckin goooo I love when this channel goes over my favorite faction
Yes, my next favorite model to paint.
Good video, I like it, by the way, when is coming the new video of the travels of our dear Dr Stephan Hoffman?
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@@TheBookofChoyer can you make a video about the gods of law?
Vermin lord? That’s my wife
Yes yes the video film I waited for!
The real question is how does Choyer sound like David Attenborough mixed with the advisor?
nurgle+tzeentch = horned rat?
then what is hahuut?
Khorne and slannesh. Brass and blood, and nigh unending pride? That seems most likely the combination
I personally like to think of the Horned Rat as a rogue agent of Nurgle, and Hashut one of Khorne...but official lore has them as lesser Chaos Gods proper, even if they are basically knock-off versions of two of the Ruinous Powers.
Verminlords:
To some, they’re equivalent to the destructive Disney executives
Man i hope warhammer 3 releases a DLC that includes verminlords
Did you paint all the models in the video?
Stop, this is too cool.
can't fucking wait for them to show up in immortal empires!
I'm waiting for C.A to put this in the game before I'd play skaven!
Hey, I was wondering if you could do the lore or battle cinematic of all of athel loren coming under attack by gorthor i think?
I just want to see the cinematic battle of them attack the wildwoods
Mograth was its name i believe
I need more skaven lore grom you
the waythe horned rat sounds. at least to me who knows little about the fansaty warhammer. one of the main reason im here is to learn it
but the horn rat sounds like a nurgle or a lesser more mean version with some teezeh thrown in
u along the right idea. he embodies aspects that both nurgle and tzeentch represent which is also why tzeentch hates him so much. it is also said that the skaven technically represent all aspects of the chaos gods, so the skaven indirectly help the ruinous powers.
slannesh’s excess, nurgle’s pestilence, khornes wrath, and tzeentch’s trickery / ambition are all embodied by the skaven and the horned rat.
alrighty i think i have a better idea now, thank you for helping clear it up a bit. the horned rat has bits of the main of the four. he's sorta like a god of chaos undivided. sorta roughly.@@dvjxnz
@@Mad_Geniuz yea. hes also the god of the ruin, but since he overlaps w the big 4 they actually technically empower him as well
MORE SKAVEN!
Reminds me of the fools who try to summon a devil in DnD and instead summon demons lol.
This narrator is really something
To shreds you say
Soon, yes-yes...
Me~me bet all warpstone that Great Horned Rat and Tzeentch are ONE and the same
what is it with nobles messing with forbidden magic?!? Have the past wars with the dark powers taught them nothing?!?
I wonder what Nurgle reaction when he met this Demon Rat for the first time. Is it:
1. Finally a worthy rivals, our plagues Will be disastrous
2. Did my maggot pregnant a Rat!?
3. You are adopted
4. I Am Your Father
5. Ratty Ratty chip chip chip~
6. Want some Cheese?
7. Yeah so cool bRat, high five 🖐️
8. I want you to become my Jerry. Tom has been so angry lately because his child has Stab him from behind because the twisted blue bird in the cage always chirp on him and the White female cat is an Impostor, The truth is its a black male cat in disguise. Yeah you know the usual stuff of chaos home
RATS RATS WE ARE THE RATS
Manifestation of entropy.
Carries a glaive.
Hear me out. The horned rat is a disciple of the witness. Any destiny fans?
🤫
👀🫡
I’m listening to this on a pair of AirPods and my ears are ringing. Listening at about 75% volume and your voice’s highs are WAY too prominent. When you pronounce an “S” sound, it peaks so much that it’s literally painful.