Or a near invulnerable Covie warship that UNSC Warships cant match. Its honestly baffling why the Covies just didn't use their warships to nuke the site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure. Spartan "Demons" might as well be the Covies movie version of our "Aliens".
@@Daginni1The only time the Covenant even landed troops during the war was if there were Forerunner artifacts or something else of interest on the planet, every other planet was glassed as soon as the UNSC fleet was defeated. Some planets, such as Reach, were even partially glassed, even with Forerunner artifacts, because the resistance was so fierce. But if there is a Demon on the Holy Ring, well can't glass that so somebody is just gonna need to go kill the Demon personally.
Ma sfacil dicho que hecho, los spartan canonicamente pueden esquivar y desviar misiles, predecir la trallectoria de disparos, etc... Siempre que se ha logrado matar a spartans es con numeros abrumadores o con trampas como bombas de demolicion o nucleares, incluso al atacar con un gran numero de tropas a un spartan en una embiscada esta garantizado que perderas un par de pelotones como minimo
@@Daginni1 they did but since it's the franchise's name there's a lot of battles in Halos and other Forunners structures And the Covenant worship these structures....
Step 1: Be a Sniper Jackel during the first Battle of Earth and battle of Installation 05 Step 2: Find a good spot to set up Step 3: Wait Step 4: Enjoy a nice refreshing mug of Spartan tears
I love how 343 has recently made reference to Legendary Jackal Snipers by making them their own unit with one of them being in the Suban based Waypoint Chronicle.
@@TheDemigans I think it was an Elite (either a Zealot or the type with helmet horns) in that cutscene... although it does still remind me of 2 of my favourite jokes about that moment - "We now interrupt Halo: Reach to bring you the Halo 2 Jackal Sniper." and "Kig-Yar Sniper says 'whoops' in the chat!"
I would argue that it IS a flaw in their training as in the Halo: The Flood novel Chief even states that the Spartans were trained to work as a team and he’s used to having someone watching his back and isn’t adjusted to being a lone wolf
@@SFO195 ONI lone wolf operatives and spec ops teams are given extra training to work alone. So yes and no, since they could still be given detrimental damage in ambushes, but they'd be better trained and equiped for it.
Something to note about an ambush. It's not JUST about catching your enemy unaware, it's about catching your enemy in a trap that you have planned ahead of time. If you are setting an ambush then you probably know what your enemy is packing and have a plan for how to defeat it, much like the insurrectionists using the anti grav plate. With this in mind it shouldn't be surprising that this is how most Spartans die. Their enemies are planning ahead of time to kill them specifically, which can be rather hard to react to.
Spartans are subject to the same rule that applies to real life war today, which is that you're very likely to be killed by something random and completely beyond your control. Even a Spartan as capable as the master chief could have unceremoniously met his end if he'd hit his head on a big rock after jumping from Truth's ship. Or if the Covenant attacked Cairo station before attacking the Malta. Or if he just ran out of time one of the many times that he ran away from something about to explode. The whole "luck" thing always seemed cheesy to me, but if Cortana could really be so sure that it was an intrinsic trait of his, then it really was the most valuable trait a Spartan could possess.
I mean tbh, the whole luck thing really isn’t cheesy, because think about it, when you go outside there’s more than a million ways you can die but you don’t, you get back home every day safe and sound (at least I hope and pray that you do) even soldiers in the military experience this I’m sure
It's been a while since I've played, but Guardians were always considered nigh unstoppable. It almost always required a highly skilled team to be lucky executing a well-planned attack to even have a chance to permanently bring one down. This isn't to say they're gods, the Hive are especially skilled at killing Guardians and the Vex can literally wipe you from existence, but it was never easy.
@@theapocasmith i mean crota killed thousands solo when they attacked the moon. And he was a weak hive god. It's been mentioned in lore a ton that in reality, aside from a select few elite gaurdians, the only reason they are such a formidable force is due to never being able to die in most situations.
@@5-Consecutive-Hairpin-Turns The brutes killed me more because there were so many of them. Only one Jackal Sniper made me so tense that I made mistakes and he didn't forgive me...
From an irl military perspective, I think that this issue has more to do with doctrine and the deployment of spartan teams. How often are delta force, seal team 6, or the SAS ambushed? Never. Nobody should know that they are coming and if they do get ambushed then it is probably because they hung around too long. There are no weapons without weaknesses, so the officers in charge of deploying spartan teams should keep that in mind.
I think its more got to do with the fact that there are enemies of humanities which are on par if not simply superior to them, After cortana destroyed the home planet of the brutes. Atriox set out with the mission of destroying humanity and he being the tactical genius he is, saw that spartans if left for later could shred through their plan which is why he called on mercenaries or contract killers who could deal with spartans, and then went for the ship which was basically their operating base. You could argue that infinity being the home base should've been a secret is true but end of the day, reporter being the conveyer of "truth" they are wanna dig deep into everything. Had spartan project not come into lime light, so many of these spartans would've been less likely killed by an ambush as their presence and info would be more concealed.
@@johnhalo-ug4goatriox ambushing the INFINTY like he did was why it fell. It would not have fallen if the ENTIRE SHIP didn't get murdered immediately after being in slipspace
no matter how strong the warrior, how meticulous their training, or how durable the armor they wear. they're only human; overwhelm their senses, bury them under might of numbers. in the end it doesn't matter, they're only human, and that is all that's needed.
I wish there was a 3rd person headhunters game thats similar to ghost recon, showing true spartan speed and strength being able to overpower almost any enemy but the enemy AI is smart enough to team up and take you down so you have to plan unless your feeling brave, constantly stalked by silent shadow members, different planet biomes as maps, get called demon like a bad ass
Closest thing to that is Halo: Spartan Assault. It’s a god-eye view, and you travel through different planet biomes whilst hunting down powerful covenant foes, destroying anti aircraft turrets or defending an objective.
@@Imaperson-ow1wr I get what you mean, but to be honest, Spartan Assault isn't even close to what he's describing. Sure it checks some of the boxes, but it's still really far from it, it's just a twin stick, top down mobile game. A non-mobile, fleshed out, first or third person, and open world Spartan Assault like game would be fantastic and even closer to what OP means, but sadly despite it being a fantastic idea, it's probably never going to happen.
Marine here, back in boot camp, during our Crucible, one of the many events that occur is the execution and implementation of an ambush. Being on the receiving side of that, they can happen instantly without any cue there is something about to happen. After this happened, I remember coming up to my Drill Instructor, requested permission to speak to him, and asked if there is anything one can do when an ambush happens. He replied "Nope, best you can do is try to squeeze a round off before you die". A crazy world warfare is. You could be the very best of all, and still, an ambush might be your end.
First, ambushes are easily among the deadliest scenarios to find oneself in during war, because ideally the group performing the ambush have all the cards, while the group being ambushed have none. Second, I recently read The Fall of Reach for the first time, and one point that stood out was the chapter in which the Spartans get their Mjolnir armor, but with the energy shields. Chief takes note that, because of the shielding, he'd subconsciously allowed himself to take chances he wouldn't have prior, noting that it could form bad habits. Much like how in Vietnam, American fighter pilots had become so reliant on missiles and their lock-on capabilities, that many had forgotten how to properly dogfight with guns (in fact, because of missiles, there were some variants of F-4 Phantoms that were produced without a machine gun).
@@jonomano3992Yup, and furthermore, if i am not mistaken, Kat was so shaken by the sudden glassing that she only put on her helmet part ways. Not connecting it to the seams of the neck. With that, even if the EMP effect passed, her shields wouldn't have regenerated.
Hmm... What I'd argue when it comes to an Ambush is that the Spartans have _MOTION_ Detectors, if the subject can remain still, or make very subtle movements, the Motion Tracker won't pick up the movements (You can try this for yourself in the games, have someone just crouch and move very slowly towards you from behind. The MT won't see them). The other thing to remember is that in most cases, someone making an ambush always has the "Home Field Advantage", they know the area better than you do, and will exploit that to their advantage.
That is a good point, the only counter I could think of for how Atriox beat Cheif on the Infinity is that the battle to evacuate was THAT chaotic that it gave Atriox a tiny window of time where Cheif wasn't looking at his motion sensors. But even then, it doesn't really tell you what KIND of enemy it is, could've easily been a grunt perhaps. But motion sensors could also be jammed or overloaded I guess. On the Hyrophant (idk the context cause I don't have the book), I imagine it wouldn't be super useful since they were crawling thru vents so you'd have enemies everywhere constantly + it's not like they come with a floor map. BUT beyond those very niche situations, I completely agree with your take
Also lore wise the motion tracker is not the "Oh big things" And "Oh that's bad that's not" piece of "Equipment" we see in game. In lore at least Mk.4 and Mk.5 have highly sensitive motion trackers that can pick up leaves on trees being blown by the wind. It's useful, but only as useful as the situation can dictate. Also has no known actual FoF/IFF detection, even if it did it'd show all non marked targets uniformly. Spartan 2's were taught to trust their instincts, their training, their senses and themselves and their skills first and foremost, equipment can break at random or glitch out in a way that you don't realize until you're well into a space where that suddenly becomes useless or a potential detriment and/or hazard.
They had a copy of Cortana with her intrusion subroutines to aid them breaking into the Hyrophant. She would have been able to give them a floor ppan@eliflores9819
The motion trackers show vehicles and Hunters as large red dots. Given how Atriox towers over even the Master Chief, the motion tracker would likely register him as a large contact. The brutes in Halo 3 had a motion tracker jammer that would feed the motion tracker false information. Its likely that Atriox potentially has similar tech built into his armour
During my time in the military (US), this is exactly how we are taught how to fight. Super-soldier or not, if you get caught off guard and the enemy gains fire superiority, you’re dead. Look up the books “One Bullet Away” and “Starship Troopers” both go into incredible detail on the proper mindset to have when it comes to being victorious in battle.
In Halo The Flood, Master Chief almost gets "ambushed" by enemies he had already spotted previously he realizes that it was because Spartans are trained to work as a team covering each others backs and weaknesses, so he worked like that by himself until he realized he was alone and needed to stop fighting as if he was in a team with other spartans or marines whenever he was alone.
Spartans have the same weakness real life special operations have. Putting a small team up against a larger force somewhat works out if there is a mismatch in technology or training but if the larger force is just as skilled and just as advanced it turns into a slaughter pretty damn quick Plus a larger force can bring more equipment suited to the situation. A good thought analysis would be thinking about how likely a 2 man spartan team would be able to take down a 12 man spartan team if the group of 12 was the ones doing the ambushing.
Easy counter, give the Spartans Micro Drones, the size of flies, to go out before them and not be seen, they will have a 360 real time picture at all times!
I was going to make a very ""Orignal" and no doubt "'creative"" comment about a back alley Jackal, but when you think about it, that's exactly what they were doing on Halo 2 in that alley. It was a perfect bottleneck ambush with a high power sniper.
spartan training should include some oni spook sensitivity training to guess traps. and more king of the hill to solo mass ambushes, as well as unarmored training against armored spartans to simulate overwhelming enemies. spartans are too used to being the big and smart ones, leading to a lacking vigilance to the bigger and smarter fish in the ocean. reinforcing armor against blunt trauma (roll cage), core vital sacrificial plates (allowing for one more misstep) and some oni spook esoteric sensor and ping tech would greatly improve the effectiveness of spartans against overwhelming single, lucky amassed or very sneaky foes. the mjolnir black passive stealth layer should be standard too.
An ambush is the only thing possible short of orbital bombardment or equivalent. If the enemy is faster stronger and more resourceful than you, you either throw overwhelming force at it which may not work, or you find a way to negate as many of their advantages as possible. There might be survivor bias (heh ironic) too, in that all the attempted but failed ambushes weren’t logged into the books/games.
I think a fair few of the deaths were lone Spartans, if we look at those specifically we could perhaps say the Spartans weakness is their team training, they arent quite as top tier on their own due to being incapable of watching their own six. But the team takedowns are harder to explain.
I remembered something I should have thought of earlier, in The Flood, Chief got slapped about a bit because he was fighting all on his own. He changed tactics when he realised that expecting fire support from his team (that was mostly on Reach) would be a serious problem for his continued aliveness.
Could you please do a video on “If Elites/Brutes got the Spartan augmentations”. Would be REALLY cool to hear you theorize about that! Great video as always!!
Brutes don't need the augmentations, on their own they are already a threat to a Spartan who is careless. An augmented Brute would be a true nightmare for ANYONE to fight, probably would take a couple of shots from a max charge Guass cannon just to put it down
There's a solid possibility that augmentations wouldn't do much for them because they are already operating at the maximum for any organism of their respective sizes. That might explain why the covenant doesn't bother doing so despite having the technology (E.G. the highly augmented San'Shayuum super soldiers which don't appear in the games)
I mean Spartans are all about going head first (normally) so being ambushed sounds about right. I think it’s fair to say it’s a flaw that they could even go into and make into a-bit of story.
Outnumber the Spartans, attack from multiple aspects at the same time and put immense pressure, surprise them and make traps for them if possible. Use far more advanced technology (like the covenant).
I feel like this is reverse survivorship bias, spartans may get killed or defeated in an ambush but how many more ambushes have they foiled or overcame. If you get ambushed by overwhelming force its hard to fault them when 1/100 finally gets them and the more spartans there are the more likely it is to happen
I really wish they'd flesh out how Leonidas got back onto the training startion. Unless it was just a fragment left in somones armor. I doubt jun would plug him back in.
When you see Locke and his team whizzing around... you could easily assume = They can just fly off and escape. It's obvious now it's been retcon and that Spartans are back to being a walking tank.
Sounds like the successful ambushes were done while they were preoccupied, in a firefight, or dealing with something else, when they are ambushed, would lead them to not see it coming from behind. Also, they have motion trackers, so if the enemy stays still in a dark place, they can still pull off a successful ambush. The issue is they are entering areas that have not been properly scouted prior to going in, or they are the scouts themselves.
that is interesting, could you make a video on how to make up for this flaw, whether its a newer peice of tech that involves a greater sense of awareness or training that makes up for this flaw entirely?
I'm in the middle of reading Silent Storm and thought back to this video. Even back in basically year one of Spartan Operations Johnson and Crowther already exposed the Spartans weakness to numbers and ambushes. It seems like their training brought them up more as part duelists, part ODST. Where they operate very well with the addition of the shock factor. But being a known factor has led to a glaring weakness pretty much glowing red. Thematically though, it in my eyes lends itself to the saying "No man is an island..." a lone Spartan despite being extremely capable can only do so much. Pg76-78
Most Spartan IIIs did NOT get shields or Mjolnir armor, thus you really have to remove MOST of the first two companies as they don't really meet the baseline for consideration here.
One of the things that us military does differently than some of allied forces is when ambushed they are trained to not hold position but instead charge forward because of the unexpected action. Spartans were either kidnapped or saved turned into Spartans or you had the Gen 4s. Gen 4s are a standard soldier with armor. Gen 3s are more ruthless and reckless than the Gen 2 while the Gen 2 was taught your team is important and you can sacrifice yourself. Instead of training to hold the line and be unkillable they were shown they had weakness since the beginning this does limit them. They were also broken humans mentally as the augmentation did a number on the mind
Probably the fact that even though they're Spartans, they don't have complete situational awareness at all times. Cal is a good example of that. She absolutely bodied that brute in a straight up fight, but when attacked fast enough even she wasn't able to react in time. The Spartans either need upgraded armor and sensor packages, or better small unit tactics.
The one thing that would counter any form of ambush if it’s not already included in a Spartans electronic suite on their suit is if they were to develop a module similar to the one that was developed in the first alien movie that measures disturbances in molecular density or air pressure,so that way if you have somebody sneaking up on you or you have somebody who is cloaked and trying to strike you from behind regardless of if your attention is fully forward facing that system would be able to defend you and give you an advance warning of any potential ambush .
More so anything that doesn’t register visually being highlighted. Anomalies in the standard detection systems. Or even the heartbeat of a person being disturbance enough to create a silhouette of the adversary.
ambushes typically tilt the relative combat power heavily to the ambusher’s side, even as a smaller force. the element of surprise is crazy effective. in civi terms, ambushes are like getting robbed. the aggressor always has an advantage. spartan or not.
@Installation00 Supposition: being "humanity's greatest warriors" doesn't necessarily mean anything. That they're "supposed" to be the best doesn't necessarily mean that they are, or that that means anything. You also forgot Sheila being killed by a squad of Elites, and an unnamed Spartan getting killed by an Elite and a lance of Grunts as early as 2531. The existence of the Hand of Atriox seems to suggest that Spartan-Killing is a matter of preparation, mindset, method of approach, and skill, rather than anything else. I'd say that all of this simply confirms what had always been obvious: Spartans were powerful enough to make a difference, and well-trained enough to almost never be caught unaware or off-guard. But it doesn't matter how good a soldier you are, when your enemy outmaneuvers you and starts a fight on their terms.
8:21 Problem of statistics; sudden, short term action that ends as quickly as it arrived. A "blip" is likely, but when and how strong is unknown in advance.
logically speaking their advanced reaction speed goes into overdrive whilst in combat but not out of combat so it makes sense that if you can ambush and kill or incapacitate them before this ability fully activates they lack the speed they need to be the killing machines they normally are
After reading a third of the books, beyond weapons and Mjolnir armor, a Spartans greatest weapon is intel and ambush, despite being 7-ft tall and in heavy amor they are all sneaky and covert. It only makes sense that they too would be subject to ambushes.
Kinetic movement is important for any fire fight as a 0311 if it’s lost you lose where trained to ramp up in ambush push out fire in all directions to suppress assess and kill so makes sense small units that get jumped losing out we have a whole squad with motor or machine gun in our patrol still don’t always come out on top
The one thing to take into account on a lore level is that the motion trackers are shown to not have any sort of IFF reading capabilities at least as of Mk.4 and 5 in literature. For Mk.6 and 7 I don't personally know of any lore that states of any change in that respect. But I distinctly remember a passage in The Fall of Reach where blue team was on a mission and the wind blowing through the forest surrounding them caused a plethora of contacts on the detection interface. And even if there is an IFF reading capability, there's no telling if that "Unaligned" ping is inconsequential noise, an animal, or an enemy. Even with the training and drilled universal thought of "Trust your instincts, senses and experiences most. Equipment can break, or fail." into the spartan 2's in particular. You sit with a piece of tech/equipment long enough and don't keep that mentality, you can have all the best senses in the world and then still be taken off guard. When it comes to the first Spartan encounter (Before the oddity of things that Halo Wars was when depicting spartans) with brutes in first strike, it wasn't a full ambush. It was an underestimation of the strength and durability of them. Chief almost being choked out as mention, and Grace actually being killed in that fight. Spartan 3's were made as disposable "Super soldiers". Augments to their systems that let them keep fighting far after mortal wounds would have put others into shock or straight up unconsciousness until the "Battle high" drops. Disposable heroes with augments that helped, but no shielding, comparatively little armor assist for further strength and reflex enhancement. More comprehensive but ultimately lesser quality armor plating. The only edge against any "Spartan" armor (Though not actually of the program in the slightest anyways.) was it's photoreceptive camo system. Spartan 4's may have had onboard dumb AI's to help on the battlefield but even they are fallible. More so than smart AI's which even with Cortana, we see have the very human trait of being able to overlook something, not take something into account, figure that something is not of consequence. Dumb AI's are analytical machines with pre-programmed personalities that only can attain potential True free thinking if their databanks and system are large enough and rampancy begins. Think the AI that ran Tiara station over Harvest. Anyone can be taken by surprise, be distracted, overwhelmed, outmatched by initial underestimation. Also Red team by description is a team of rehabilitated washouts that were able to go through the failed portions of their augmentations successfully a second time. Perhaps to a lesser degree than the rest of the non washouts. That said if you've stuck with me again. Outside of overwhelming force and extreme tight and appropriate tactics, an ambush is your best bet at taking down your enemy. Even the ultimate professional will ultimately be on the back foot until there's a lull where they can fully collect themselves, no matter how well steeled your mind is. Surprise is surprise.
I could have sworn I read in the books how the Spartans were trained to be able to identify a pin drop during a rain storm. The idea that you can consistently ambush and surprise a Spartan makes no sense, but I guess that's up to the writers.
I was under the impression that the second class of 2s were trained as it had been stated Nicole from Dead or Alive was canon but the events werent canon
Spartans have been taken down by far less. The single Infection Form that almost killed Chief, and the Zealot that steamrolled and would’ve stabbed Six if not for Kat. There’s a Grunt in the Swords that spars with Elites. Spartans’ strength was always shock, cohesion, and force, but their force has usually been matched and the shock has long since worn off. Coupled with the fact most factions are using each others’ tech, and it’s no wonder the Banished is as strong as they are.
No matter what you're never gonna be able to make an unkillable soldier, no military goes into a situation thinking they're not going to take losses, the Spartans are no different.
In my opinion this is just basic biology. Humanities biggest threat has always been ambush or pack hunters. We are persistence hunters, we run we see. The one thing that can take out a fully equipped human male with optimal efficiency is a surprise attack. You could handle a Bob cat, a mountain lion even with a big ass stick if you see it. If you don't see it, your absolutely dead. We see this expanded with the threat to weaker members of our tribes in halo
You know what is funny about ambush tactics being used to beat Spartans? Spartans should be masters of ambush tactics since that was what they're originally made to do. Also that time that blue team got captured and Kurt rescued blue team? that only happened because the rebels got more or less enough intel on what Blue Team is and made the necessary adjustments, otherwise I think their mission would have gone off without a hitch.
Imagine going through everything it takes to become a Spartan, and your first op is a suicide mission where you die quickly, lol. Don't even get to enjoy being a Spartan lol.
So, what I'm getting here is that one angry Space Marine dropping from orbit right on top of a Spartan is GG for the Spartan. Then again, I guess an angry Marine dropping in with a jump pack is GG for just about anyone within chainsword distance.
I love O92 and 117, but Atriox just ignores pain. He doesn't need an ambush to kill Spartans. Even upon finding out Spartans are just humans, he didn't change his outlook. Granted the plot armor he carries is indestructible, I still find it cool that he is able just go. No U
1st. Have Many Over Charge Their Plasma Pistols 2nd. Having Everyone Fire at The Spartan 3rd. Behead The Fallen Spartan To Show Your Followers that Spartans are Mortal
i never knew what happened to those spartans in Infinites campaign, you know in Halo CE when the Flood were unleashed we got that cutscene of Chief watching what happened there through that video he grabbed off the marine, the Weapon should of channeled what they saw to Chief to give us a sense of these warriors going down and gives insight of what we are going to face from the brothers to Jega like come on 343i
"Is the fact that these super soldiers can be defeated be ambush when that ambush involves novel and unexpected use of resources and overwhelming force an inherent flaw in their training?" Only as much a flaw as "living on a space station that can be destroyed by a suddenly hostile AI."
We all know that all you need is an overcharged plasma pistol shot followed by a headshot.
Or a near invulnerable Covie warship that UNSC Warships cant match. Its honestly baffling why the Covies just didn't use their warships to nuke the site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
Spartan "Demons" might as well be the Covies movie version of our "Aliens".
@Daginni1 I think they did do that no? Can't beat the "demon" on the ground? Glass it.
@@Daginni1The only time the Covenant even landed troops during the war was if there were Forerunner artifacts or something else of interest on the planet, every other planet was glassed as soon as the UNSC fleet was defeated. Some planets, such as Reach, were even partially glassed, even with Forerunner artifacts, because the resistance was so fierce.
But if there is a Demon on the Holy Ring, well can't glass that so somebody is just gonna need to go kill the Demon personally.
Ma sfacil dicho que hecho, los spartan canonicamente pueden esquivar y desviar misiles, predecir la trallectoria de disparos, etc...
Siempre que se ha logrado matar a spartans es con numeros abrumadores o con trampas como bombas de demolicion o nucleares, incluso al atacar con un gran numero de tropas a un spartan en una embiscada esta garantizado que perderas un par de pelotones como minimo
@@Daginni1 they did but since it's the franchise's name there's a lot of battles in Halos and other Forunners structures
And the Covenant worship these structures....
Step 1: Be a Sniper Jackel during the first Battle of Earth and battle of Installation 05
Step 2: Find a good spot to set up
Step 3: Wait
Step 4: Enjoy a nice refreshing mug of Spartan tears
I love how 343 has recently made reference to Legendary Jackal Snipers by making them their own unit with one of them being in the Suban based Waypoint Chronicle.
@@Jedi_Spartanwait so the Jackal Sniper that got Kat was perhaps one of these Jackals?
@@TheDemigans I think it was an Elite (either a Zealot or the type with helmet horns) in that cutscene... although it does still remind me of 2 of my favourite jokes about that moment - "We now interrupt Halo: Reach to bring you the Halo 2 Jackal Sniper." and "Kig-Yar Sniper says 'whoops' in the chat!"
@@Jedi_Spartan It’s a Field Marshal. Probably the same one Noble Six kills at the Mac Gun
Some of the players I've encountered in multilayer are tougher than Jackal snipers
Aa as a soldier: every Army, no matter how powerful, can be defeated in a ambush.
Or if targeted with a strategic-level asset.
It's either a defeat. Or a seriously difficult victory that rarely ends with good or any positive results.
I would argue that it IS a flaw in their training as in the Halo: The Flood novel Chief even states that the Spartans were trained to work as a team and he’s used to having someone watching his back and isn’t adjusted to being a lone wolf
@@theboysacdnr1659 with that in mind this strat would work the worse against Noble 6?
@@SFO195 ONI lone wolf operatives and spec ops teams are given extra training to work alone. So yes and no, since they could still be given detrimental damage in ambushes, but they'd be better trained and equiped for it.
Something to note about an ambush. It's not JUST about catching your enemy unaware, it's about catching your enemy in a trap that you have planned ahead of time. If you are setting an ambush then you probably know what your enemy is packing and have a plan for how to defeat it, much like the insurrectionists using the anti grav plate. With this in mind it shouldn't be surprising that this is how most Spartans die. Their enemies are planning ahead of time to kill them specifically, which can be rather hard to react to.
Rule #1. Make sure there's no boss music
Make sure the doom muisic starts because you are there, not the Spartan!
Too late, a fog wall appeared
Rule #2: Beware of suspiciously large amounts of resources between firefights.
Rule #3: Make a pile out of said resources
“Rule #1. Make sure there’s no boss music.”
Rule #2. The same as Rule #1 Unless it’s coming from you
Spartans are subject to the same rule that applies to real life war today, which is that you're very likely to be killed by something random and completely beyond your control. Even a Spartan as capable as the master chief could have unceremoniously met his end if he'd hit his head on a big rock after jumping from Truth's ship. Or if the Covenant attacked Cairo station before attacking the Malta. Or if he just ran out of time one of the many times that he ran away from something about to explode. The whole "luck" thing always seemed cheesy to me, but if Cortana could really be so sure that it was an intrinsic trait of his, then it really was the most valuable trait a Spartan could possess.
I mean tbh, the whole luck thing really isn’t cheesy, because think about it, when you go outside there’s more than a million ways you can die but you don’t, you get back home every day safe and sound (at least I hope and pray that you do) even soldiers in the military experience this I’m sure
GOAT comment
This reminds me of Destiny's Gurdians thing they kinda go after.
"Devotion inspires bravery. Bravery inspires sacrifice. Sacrifice, leads to death".
And death leads to the dark side.
It's been a while since I've played, but Guardians were always considered nigh unstoppable. It almost always required a highly skilled team to be lucky executing a well-planned attack to even have a chance to permanently bring one down. This isn't to say they're gods, the Hive are especially skilled at killing Guardians and the Vex can literally wipe you from existence, but it was never easy.
Death fuels devotion.
@@theapocasmithEspecially when there are millions of guardians if we go by player count
@@theapocasmith i mean crota killed thousands solo when they attacked the moon. And he was a weak hive god. It's been mentioned in lore a ton that in reality, aside from a select few elite gaurdians, the only reason they are such a formidable force is due to never being able to die in most situations.
Remember this, even a grunt has a possiblity to kill a spartan (including you) if they have not only the BALLS, but also the opportunity...
Look at the BALLS on that grunt
@@Ludawig the bright, blue balls
A group of grunts got (relatively) close to killing John in The Flood by trying to take off his helmet and use plasma grenades
I mean you ever walk around a corner in halo 2 to a raging brute and get absolutely bludgeoned to death. Understandable
Everybody talks about the jackal snipers but those damned brutes killed me far more...
@@5-Consecutive-Hairpin-Turns The brutes killed me more because there were so many of them. Only one Jackal Sniper made me so tense that I made mistakes and he didn't forgive me...
From an irl military perspective, I think that this issue has more to do with doctrine and the deployment of spartan teams. How often are delta force, seal team 6, or the SAS ambushed? Never. Nobody should know that they are coming and if they do get ambushed then it is probably because they hung around too long. There are no weapons without weaknesses, so the officers in charge of deploying spartan teams should keep that in mind.
Part of the reason why these famous teams are not getting ambushed is that they ARE the ambush.
I think its more got to do with the fact that there are enemies of humanities which are on par if not simply superior to them, After cortana destroyed the home planet of the brutes. Atriox set out with the mission of destroying humanity and he being the tactical genius he is, saw that spartans if left for later could shred through their plan which is why he called on mercenaries or contract killers who could deal with spartans, and then went for the ship which was basically their operating base. You could argue that infinity being the home base should've been a secret is true but end of the day, reporter being the conveyer of "truth" they are wanna dig deep into everything. Had spartan project not come into lime light, so many of these spartans would've been less likely killed by an ambush as their presence and info would be more concealed.
@@johnhalo-ug4goatriox ambushing the INFINTY like he did was why it fell. It would not have fallen if the ENTIRE SHIP didn't get murdered immediately after being in slipspace
no matter how strong the warrior, how meticulous their training, or how durable the armor they wear. they're only human; overwhelm their senses, bury them under might of numbers.
in the end it doesn't matter, they're only human, and that is all that's needed.
I wish there was a 3rd person headhunters game thats similar to ghost recon, showing true spartan speed and strength being able to overpower almost any enemy but the enemy AI is smart enough to team up and take you down so you have to plan unless your feeling brave, constantly stalked by silent shadow members, different planet biomes as maps, get called demon like a bad ass
Strictly talking about combat gameplay and not story, Ghost Recon really makes me feels like a badass more than any Halo ever did.
Closest thing to that is Halo: Spartan Assault. It’s a god-eye view, and you travel through different planet biomes whilst hunting down powerful covenant foes, destroying anti aircraft turrets or defending an objective.
This would be amazing, add the movement and pakour mechanics of splinter cell in and it would be perfect
@@Imaperson-ow1wr I get what you mean, but to be honest, Spartan Assault isn't even close to what he's describing. Sure it checks some of the boxes, but it's still really far from it, it's just a twin stick, top down mobile game. A non-mobile, fleshed out, first or third person, and open world Spartan Assault like game would be fantastic and even closer to what OP means, but sadly despite it being a fantastic idea, it's probably never going to happen.
Walk up behind them and hold melee
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Marine here, back in boot camp, during our Crucible, one of the many events that occur is the execution and implementation of an ambush. Being on the receiving side of that, they can happen instantly without any cue there is something about to happen. After this happened, I remember coming up to my Drill Instructor, requested permission to speak to him, and asked if there is anything one can do when an ambush happens. He replied "Nope, best you can do is try to squeeze a round off before you die". A crazy world warfare is. You could be the very best of all, and still, an ambush might be your end.
First, ambushes are easily among the deadliest scenarios to find oneself in during war, because ideally the group performing the ambush have all the cards, while the group being ambushed have none.
Second, I recently read The Fall of Reach for the first time, and one point that stood out was the chapter in which the Spartans get their Mjolnir armor, but with the energy shields. Chief takes note that, because of the shielding, he'd subconsciously allowed himself to take chances he wouldn't have prior, noting that it could form bad habits. Much like how in Vietnam, American fighter pilots had become so reliant on missiles and their lock-on capabilities, that many had forgotten how to properly dogfight with guns (in fact, because of missiles, there were some variants of F-4 Phantoms that were produced without a machine gun).
You forgot the Sangheili Field Marshal that snipped Kat with a Needle Rifle from a Phantom
Still proves the point; catch a spartan in a clever ambush or a sneak attack and they have little recourse.
Well that was because orbital glassing. Huge emo wage goes with that. Knocked out her shields....for a while.
Lmfao emo, EMP*
Yup that's standard Covenant weaponry right there, just another example of Covenant superiority.
@@jonomano3992Yup, and furthermore, if i am not mistaken, Kat was so shaken by the sudden glassing that she only put on her helmet part ways. Not connecting it to the seams of the neck. With that, even if the EMP effect passed, her shields wouldn't have regenerated.
Hmm... What I'd argue when it comes to an Ambush is that the Spartans have _MOTION_ Detectors, if the subject can remain still, or make very subtle movements, the Motion Tracker won't pick up the movements (You can try this for yourself in the games, have someone just crouch and move very slowly towards you from behind. The MT won't see them).
The other thing to remember is that in most cases, someone making an ambush always has the "Home Field Advantage", they know the area better than you do, and will exploit that to their advantage.
That is a good point, the only counter I could think of for how Atriox beat Cheif on the Infinity is that the battle to evacuate was THAT chaotic that it gave Atriox a tiny window of time where Cheif wasn't looking at his motion sensors. But even then, it doesn't really tell you what KIND of enemy it is, could've easily been a grunt perhaps.
But motion sensors could also be jammed or overloaded I guess. On the Hyrophant (idk the context cause I don't have the book), I imagine it wouldn't be super useful since they were crawling thru vents so you'd have enemies everywhere constantly + it's not like they come with a floor map.
BUT beyond those very niche situations, I completely agree with your take
Also lore wise the motion tracker is not the "Oh big things" And "Oh that's bad that's not" piece of "Equipment" we see in game. In lore at least Mk.4 and Mk.5 have highly sensitive motion trackers that can pick up leaves on trees being blown by the wind. It's useful, but only as useful as the situation can dictate. Also has no known actual FoF/IFF detection, even if it did it'd show all non marked targets uniformly. Spartan 2's were taught to trust their instincts, their training, their senses and themselves and their skills first and foremost, equipment can break at random or glitch out in a way that you don't realize until you're well into a space where that suddenly becomes useless or a potential detriment and/or hazard.
They had a copy of Cortana with her intrusion subroutines to aid them breaking into the Hyrophant. She would have been able to give them a floor ppan@eliflores9819
The motion trackers show vehicles and Hunters as large red dots. Given how Atriox towers over even the Master Chief, the motion tracker would likely register him as a large contact.
The brutes in Halo 3 had a motion tracker jammer that would feed the motion tracker false information. Its likely that Atriox potentially has similar tech built into his armour
During my time in the military (US), this is exactly how we are taught how to fight. Super-soldier or not, if you get caught off guard and the enemy gains fire superiority, you’re dead. Look up the books “One Bullet Away” and “Starship Troopers” both go into incredible detail on the proper mindset to have when it comes to being victorious in battle.
In Halo The Flood, Master Chief almost gets "ambushed" by enemies he had already spotted previously he realizes that it was because Spartans are trained to work as a team covering each others backs and weaknesses, so he worked like that by himself until he realized he was alone and needed to stop fighting as if he was in a team with other spartans or marines whenever he was alone.
Spartans have the same weakness real life special operations have. Putting a small team up against a larger force somewhat works out if there is a mismatch in technology or training but if the larger force is just as skilled and just as advanced it turns into a slaughter pretty damn quick
Plus a larger force can bring more equipment suited to the situation.
A good thought analysis would be thinking about how likely a 2 man spartan team would be able to take down a 12 man spartan team if the group of 12 was the ones doing the ambushing.
Trick them into going in a pool ez
Jokes on you, I put my Spartan Kayak into this planets pool and nuked the bottom with NOVA Bombs. ..... Why am I falling?
Easy counter, give the Spartans Micro Drones, the size of flies, to go out before them and not be seen, they will have a 360 real time picture at all times!
Imagine if the UNSC or covenant were to actually use modern tech like thermal optics nods on every soldier accompanied with drones
@@handsomeivan1980 I would love to see a 8 man team of Elites or Brutes, try and take on a Spartan with both techs!
@handsomeivan1980 in halo the flood the UNSC forces on alpha halo fought invisible elites with heat sensing goggles
I was going to make a very ""Orignal" and no doubt "'creative"" comment about a back alley Jackal, but when you think about it, that's exactly what they were doing on Halo 2 in that alley. It was a perfect bottleneck ambush with a high power sniper.
But it was stupid OP. It’s like shields and armor didn’t exist. Dumb.
spartan training should include some oni spook sensitivity training to guess traps.
and more king of the hill to solo mass ambushes, as well as unarmored training against armored spartans to simulate overwhelming enemies.
spartans are too used to being the big and smart ones, leading to a lacking vigilance to the bigger and smarter fish in the ocean.
reinforcing armor against blunt trauma (roll cage), core vital sacrificial plates (allowing for one more misstep) and some oni spook esoteric sensor and ping tech would greatly improve the effectiveness of spartans against overwhelming single, lucky amassed or very sneaky foes.
the mjolnir black passive stealth layer should be standard too.
An ambush is the only thing possible short of orbital bombardment or equivalent. If the enemy is faster stronger and more resourceful than you, you either throw overwhelming force at it which may not work, or you find a way to negate as many of their advantages as possible. There might be survivor bias (heh ironic) too, in that all the attempted but failed ambushes weren’t logged into the books/games.
I think a fair few of the deaths were lone Spartans, if we look at those specifically we could perhaps say the Spartans weakness is their team training, they arent quite as top tier on their own due to being incapable of watching their own six. But the team takedowns are harder to explain.
I remembered something I should have thought of earlier, in The Flood, Chief got slapped about a bit because he was fighting all on his own. He changed tactics when he realised that expecting fire support from his team (that was mostly on Reach) would be a serious problem for his continued aliveness.
Could you please do a video on “If Elites/Brutes got the Spartan augmentations”.
Would be REALLY cool to hear you theorize about that!
Great video as always!!
Brutes don't need the augmentations, on their own they are already a threat to a Spartan who is careless. An augmented Brute would be a true nightmare for ANYONE to fight, probably would take a couple of shots from a max charge Guass cannon just to put it down
There's a solid possibility that augmentations wouldn't do much for them because they are already operating at the maximum for any organism of their respective sizes. That might explain why the covenant doesn't bother doing so despite having the technology (E.G. the highly augmented San'Shayuum super soldiers which don't appear in the games)
Yoo if they gave the arbiter spartan 2 augmentations he would probably be able to take on atriox with the chief.
This would be nuts. Imagine an intelligent brute with augmentations equivalent to the Spartan 2’s. Nobody would be safe
@@Jimmy_RingsThere already is one, he just doesn't have Mjolnir power. His name is Atriox and he made Chief his bitch.
Spartans never die, they just go missing in action.
they just respawn
No they definitely die. They die all the time and Covenant takes big fat shits all over the Spartans.
@@Redditor6079 i think your talking from experience
I played Halo CE, and I can confirm ambushes are effective af.
+ My respects to the scene with Keyes's speech to Marines... "Now show those scaly bastards: They F...ed with the Wrong Planet!!!"
You dont... you pray that something more important happens in another part of the galaxy.
How to defeat Spartans TLDR: “Bushwack the mfs”
I mean Spartans are all about going head first (normally) so being ambushed sounds about right. I think it’s fair to say it’s a flaw that they could even go into and make into a-bit of story.
The reason mostly is lack of support. That's why the "ambushes" are successful.
Glassing them seems to work, Source "reach"
Outnumber the Spartans, attack from multiple aspects at the same time and put immense pressure, surprise them and make traps for them if possible. Use far more advanced technology (like the covenant).
It’s not really ambushes it’s isolation and bad leadership, Spartans need to stick together and they should have more say so considering their value.
Spartans survive every ambush until they die to one. Its not a flaw - its simply the odds.
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"Die? Didn't you know? Spartans never die." -Kurt
00s accent is so thicc the auto captions wrote "spaans" instead of "spartans"
I feel like this is reverse survivorship bias, spartans may get killed or defeated in an ambush but how many more ambushes have they foiled or overcame. If you get ambushed by overwhelming force its hard to fault them when 1/100 finally gets them and the more spartans there are the more likely it is to happen
I really wish they'd flesh out how Leonidas got back onto the training startion.
Unless it was just a fragment left in somones armor.
I doubt jun would plug him back in.
He’s back when did he come back unless I’m missing something last I heard of him was when he was sniped by Romeo
@@Saberfighterx in infinite it's says he destroyed the station.
When you see Locke and his team whizzing around... you could easily assume = They can just fly off and escape. It's obvious now it's been retcon and that Spartans are back to being a walking tank.
Sounds like the successful ambushes were done while they were preoccupied, in a firefight, or dealing with something else, when they are ambushed, would lead them to not see it coming from behind. Also, they have motion trackers, so if the enemy stays still in a dark place, they can still pull off a successful ambush. The issue is they are entering areas that have not been properly scouted prior to going in, or they are the scouts themselves.
that is interesting, could you make a video on how to make up for this flaw, whether its a newer peice of tech that involves a greater sense of awareness or training that makes up for this flaw entirely?
How hard is it to kill a spartan? 343: Super esay barly an inconvenience.
I'm in the middle of reading Silent Storm and thought back to this video. Even back in basically year one of Spartan Operations Johnson and Crowther already exposed the Spartans weakness to numbers and ambushes. It seems like their training brought them up more as part duelists, part ODST. Where they operate very well with the addition of the shock factor. But being a known factor has led to a glaring weakness pretty much glowing red.
Thematically though, it in my eyes lends itself to the saying "No man is an island..." a lone Spartan despite being extremely capable can only do so much.
Pg76-78
Man, this is some info we need to keep away from the enemy. Whoever that maybe nowadays.
Would’ve been funny to have a random cutaway meme with the UNSC/ONI goin “why you still watching?”
In the intro lol
Most Spartan IIIs did NOT get shields or Mjolnir armor, thus you really have to remove MOST of the first two companies as they don't really meet the baseline for consideration here.
One of the things that us military does differently than some of allied forces is when ambushed they are trained to not hold position but instead charge forward because of the unexpected action. Spartans were either kidnapped or saved turned into Spartans or you had the Gen 4s. Gen 4s are a standard soldier with armor. Gen 3s are more ruthless and reckless than the Gen 2 while the Gen 2 was taught your team is important and you can sacrifice yourself. Instead of training to hold the line and be unkillable they were shown they had weakness since the beginning this does limit them. They were also broken humans mentally as the augmentation did a number on the mind
Now we’re all gonna be on ONI’s watch list for watching this 😅
Probably the fact that even though they're Spartans, they don't have complete situational awareness at all times. Cal is a good example of that. She absolutely bodied that brute in a straight up fight, but when attacked fast enough even she wasn't able to react in time. The Spartans either need upgraded armor and sensor packages, or better small unit tactics.
I think it’s a testament to the general quality of Spartans that a large amount of the single deaths are from ambush.
The one thing that would counter any form of ambush if it’s not already included in a Spartans electronic suite on their suit is if they were to develop a module similar to the one that was developed in the first alien movie that measures disturbances in molecular density or air pressure,so that way if you have somebody sneaking up on you or you have somebody who is cloaked and trying to strike you from behind regardless of if your attention is fully forward facing that system would be able to defend you and give you an advance warning of any potential ambush .
So... the motion trackers if they could detect any living being in their radius rather than anything that moves.
More so anything that doesn’t register visually being highlighted. Anomalies in the standard detection systems. Or even the heartbeat of a person being disturbance enough to create a silhouette of the adversary.
From what I heard it took 17 years to take out some Spartan 2's(John's generation) and the Spartans after that fell kinda abit frequently
ambushes typically tilt the relative combat power heavily to the ambusher’s side, even as a smaller force. the element of surprise is crazy effective. in civi terms, ambushes are like getting robbed. the aggressor always has an advantage. spartan or not.
@Installation00
Supposition: being "humanity's greatest warriors" doesn't necessarily mean anything. That they're "supposed" to be the best doesn't necessarily mean that they are, or that that means anything.
You also forgot Sheila being killed by a squad of Elites, and an unnamed Spartan getting killed by an Elite and a lance of Grunts as early as 2531.
The existence of the Hand of Atriox seems to suggest that Spartan-Killing is a matter of preparation, mindset, method of approach, and skill, rather than anything else.
I'd say that all of this simply confirms what had always been obvious: Spartans were powerful enough to make a difference, and well-trained enough to almost never be caught unaware or off-guard. But it doesn't matter how good a soldier you are, when your enemy outmaneuvers you and starts a fight on their terms.
I would definitely be an ODST but would love to be a Spartan.
Haven’t seen the video yet but take a shot when he mentions Linda.
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Problem of statistics; sudden, short term action that ends as quickly as it arrived. A "blip" is likely, but when and how strong is unknown in advance.
Unless you’re Vannak. Then an Arbiter just casually walks up and stabs you with a needler needle with almost no resistance or assistance.
It’s literally impossible to anticipate every possible ambush without having precognition.
Kate from reach you’d think a EMP grenade was your best friend to complete the task
logically speaking their advanced reaction speed goes into overdrive whilst in combat but not out of combat so it makes sense that if you can ambush and kill or incapacitate them before this ability fully activates they lack the speed they need to be the killing machines they normally are
After reading a third of the books, beyond weapons and Mjolnir armor, a Spartans greatest weapon is intel and ambush, despite being 7-ft tall and in heavy amor they are all sneaky and covert. It only makes sense that they too would be subject to ambushes.
Kinetic movement is important for any fire fight as a 0311 if it’s lost you lose where trained to ramp up in ambush push out fire in all directions to suppress assess and kill so makes sense small units that get jumped losing out we have a whole squad with motor or machine gun in our patrol still don’t always come out on top
A Ghost splatter should do the trick
The one thing to take into account on a lore level is that the motion trackers are shown to not have any sort of IFF reading capabilities at least as of Mk.4 and 5 in literature. For Mk.6 and 7 I don't personally know of any lore that states of any change in that respect. But I distinctly remember a passage in The Fall of Reach where blue team was on a mission and the wind blowing through the forest surrounding them caused a plethora of contacts on the detection interface. And even if there is an IFF reading capability, there's no telling if that "Unaligned" ping is inconsequential noise, an animal, or an enemy.
Even with the training and drilled universal thought of "Trust your instincts, senses and experiences most. Equipment can break, or fail." into the spartan 2's in particular. You sit with a piece of tech/equipment long enough and don't keep that mentality, you can have all the best senses in the world and then still be taken off guard. When it comes to the first Spartan encounter (Before the oddity of things that Halo Wars was when depicting spartans) with brutes in first strike, it wasn't a full ambush. It was an underestimation of the strength and durability of them. Chief almost being choked out as mention, and Grace actually being killed in that fight.
Spartan 3's were made as disposable "Super soldiers". Augments to their systems that let them keep fighting far after mortal wounds would have put others into shock or straight up unconsciousness until the "Battle high" drops. Disposable heroes with augments that helped, but no shielding, comparatively little armor assist for further strength and reflex enhancement. More comprehensive but ultimately lesser quality armor plating. The only edge against any "Spartan" armor (Though not actually of the program in the slightest anyways.) was it's photoreceptive camo system.
Spartan 4's may have had onboard dumb AI's to help on the battlefield but even they are fallible. More so than smart AI's which even with Cortana, we see have the very human trait of being able to overlook something, not take something into account, figure that something is not of consequence. Dumb AI's are analytical machines with pre-programmed personalities that only can attain potential True free thinking if their databanks and system are large enough and rampancy begins. Think the AI that ran Tiara station over Harvest.
Anyone can be taken by surprise, be distracted, overwhelmed, outmatched by initial underestimation. Also Red team by description is a team of rehabilitated washouts that were able to go through the failed portions of their augmentations successfully a second time. Perhaps to a lesser degree than the rest of the non washouts.
That said if you've stuck with me again. Outside of overwhelming force and extreme tight and appropriate tactics, an ambush is your best bet at taking down your enemy. Even the ultimate professional will ultimately be on the back foot until there's a lull where they can fully collect themselves, no matter how well steeled your mind is. Surprise is surprise.
That is ultimately the best tool in a multiplayer setting. Maintaining the element of surprise in your actions.
I could have sworn I read in the books how the Spartans were trained to be able to identify a pin drop during a rain storm.
The idea that you can consistently ambush and surprise a Spartan makes no sense, but I guess that's up to the writers.
I was under the impression that the second class of 2s were trained as it had been stated Nicole from Dead or Alive was canon but the events werent canon
“Didn’t you know? Spartans never die” Kurt Trevelyan
Spartans have been taken down by far less. The single Infection Form that almost killed Chief, and the Zealot that steamrolled and would’ve stabbed Six if not for Kat. There’s a Grunt in the Swords that spars with Elites. Spartans’ strength was always shock, cohesion, and force, but their force has usually been matched and the shock has long since worn off. Coupled with the fact most factions are using each others’ tech, and it’s no wonder the Banished is as strong as they are.
Great concept and execution for a video.
Grunts with two plasma grenades running is truly the end of Spartans
No matter what you're never gonna be able to make an unkillable soldier, no military goes into a situation thinking they're not going to take losses, the Spartans are no different.
In my opinion this is just basic biology.
Humanities biggest threat has always been ambush or pack hunters.
We are persistence hunters, we run we see.
The one thing that can take out a fully equipped human male with optimal efficiency is a surprise attack.
You could handle a Bob cat, a mountain lion even with a big ass stick if you see it.
If you don't see it, your absolutely dead.
We see this expanded with the threat to weaker members of our tribes in halo
Most spartan 11’s sent to reach died defending the generators when a covent ship glassed the base. I think no more than 4 died from the jump
You know what is funny about ambush tactics being used to beat Spartans? Spartans should be masters of ambush tactics since that was what they're originally made to do. Also that time that blue team got captured and Kurt rescued blue team? that only happened because the rebels got more or less enough intel on what Blue Team is and made the necessary adjustments, otherwise I think their mission would have gone off without a hitch.
"Spartans never die, there just missing in action"
"they did not go down easy"
Unleeeeesss you're Cat...
Tbf spartan stone’s suit was damaged and low on ammo when she was forced to engage jega
Another great video.
Just wondering, how do you kill a Spartan?
Humanity on the 26 century shot themselves in the foot everytime they halved the budget.
We saw how Vannak 134 was killed.
well i dont know how often an enemy will catch a spartan in that exact situation
Imagine going through everything it takes to become a Spartan, and your first op is a suicide mission where you die quickly, lol. Don't even get to enjoy being a Spartan lol.
Guys save yourself the time, it’s the noob combo.
(Jokes)
6:42 Correction, late 2559
So, what I'm getting here is that one angry Space Marine dropping from orbit right on top of a Spartan is GG for the Spartan.
Then again, I guess an angry Marine dropping in with a jump pack is GG for just about anyone within chainsword distance.
n00b combo does the trick all day
I love O92 and 117, but Atriox just ignores pain. He doesn't need an ambush to kill Spartans. Even upon finding out Spartans are just humans, he didn't change his outlook. Granted the plot armor he carries is indestructible, I still find it cool that he is able just go. No U
There’s some lore about an Elite from Halo Wars that claimed he also killed a Spartan. Don’t remember the Elites name
1st. Have Many Over Charge Their Plasma Pistols
2nd. Having Everyone Fire at The Spartan
3rd. Behead The Fallen Spartan To Show Your Followers that Spartans are Mortal
i never knew what happened to those spartans in Infinites campaign, you know in Halo CE when the Flood were unleashed we got that cutscene of Chief watching what happened there through that video he grabbed off the marine, the Weapon should of channeled what they saw to Chief to give us a sense of these warriors going down and gives insight of what we are going to face from the brothers to Jega like come on 343i
"Is the fact that these super soldiers can be defeated be ambush when that ambush involves novel and unexpected use of resources and overwhelming force an inherent flaw in their training?"
Only as much a flaw as "living on a space station that can be destroyed by a suddenly hostile AI."
I think its the overwhelming odds that gets spartans killed the most the way noble 6 fell is good evidence of that
@Installation00 Left out the Silent Shadow ambushing Bianry Headhunters Roland B210 and Jonah B283.