I've been really enjoying this series so far! I'm completely new to VTOL VR and military flight sims in general, and these video's taught me a lot! I did that first airbase a little more... let's say.. direct. Basically I was shooting the AA as I was flying right over the airbase, but the direct approach did allow me to destroy the long range AA trucks before they even had time to set up and shoot their first missiles. Kinda proud that I came up with the idea of the AGM-161 on my own. Either way, really interesting to see different approaches to a mission like this!
Glad you found the video useful and kudos for the forward thinking with the 161 👍🏻 One of the best parts of the VTOL missions is that there are many different ways to complete the mission so it encourages creativity.
Depending on employing one, two or zero 161s the mission becomes increasingly harder. Without any you aren't allowed Any mistakes and you have to hug the terrain in my opinion. I have never tried simple LGBs, that would be hard mode as you have to loft the LGBs and lase before impact if that even works or stay until the ordinance has been guided home. Lofting JDAMs would be ok since you can give them GPS coordinates. Just set them free precisely. But i have lots of strategies yet to try. After trying for an hour with what I knew I was happy to get rid of the AD. 😁
@@Viknof Удерживайте кнопку триггера и рукоятки на любом контроллере, а затем нажмите верхнюю кнопку. Затем используйте джойстик для перемещения по меню. Вы также можете использовать джойстик для выражений рук, удерживая кнопки триггера и рукоятки
It did exist but I used that camera to show external views and used VR mirror for first person view, which wasn’t very good so I stopped using it in later videos.
For some reason, I never grew fond of ARAD missiles, I guess its because the AGMs give me more versatility snd I found them to be more successful in reaching the target.
@@Moltrax You are not wrong though. This plane has overall better capabilities through its tactical display which shows radar targets as well and AGM-145s are excellent all-round missiles so there is really no need for ARAD missiles. All of its weapons are either radar, gps or optical guided.
@@Moltrax there is arad missiles called agm-88s but you are correct it doesnt usethe arad display but rather you lock on with the tsd (clicking the right thumbstick) then fire when at propper distance it has more range than you think.
Does shooting the 161's from the tsd coordinates like this work consistently? Mine always seem to miss by a small margin like its only a approximate location. To get them to hit i have to get within 25m then use eots to grab a gps.
@@MrFreeagent505 You raise an interesting question here. Whilst its true that 161 are more accurate when fired from closer range, I have never questioned the accuracy of the gps coordinates acquired through tsd as opposed to eots. I never thought to compare the strike rate of the two. They do get shot down more than some other missiles. But if you watched from missile perspective and it missed the coordinates, that is something worth exploring a bit more.
I see it tells everyone to wave off even when you're on a perfect approach 🤣 that always annoys me and I land anyway. That and when you get cleared to land but then you notice on final the jet before you is crossing the deck in your way.
I think I am missing something and its got something to do with the ball. When they say “call the ball” you should say “ball” which should mean you’ve taken visual cue to land. I tried it but it never worked. When you don’t confirm, they say wave off, even if the deck is clear. So I just ignore it 🤷🏻♂️
Ummm you take how many brimstones with you? Is that a 29? My phone display is small. Also you keep dragging that cruise missile around that you could have comfortably launched at another mobile sam site which is actually stationary. I take 8 brimstones, 2 CM (JASSM i guess) and four xrays should i be too slow and some plane takes off. Also you would be much lighter and have a cleaner RCS which is good so you can get cozy with the sam sites and live.
@@AllisterCaine I take as many 145s as I can carry. They are very versatile missiles and my preferred option. I didn’t understand your point about the cruise missile, I launched it literally as soon as I was in the air, maybe you missed that, I only had one with me
@@kruger78 yeah if you only took one I definitely missed that on the tiny screen. I take two, because it isn't a ballast and will take care of a strela that can make your life horrible with its IR guided SRMs. They are truly versatile but I prefer only taking what is needed so I have as much mobility should it be in need plus as said external stations kill your RCS and the enemy forces will see you way earlier. Eight internal is enough imo because after taking care of the right side hilltop radar and the strela with the 161s you only need two other brimstones for the S-series radar and another mobile shorad IR missile launcher. You can spend the other six on planes on the ground. but that's the beauty of it, you can take so many ways that work. Could you recommend a tutorial on 145 employment? Because the range caret isn't totally clear to me. The middle marker seems to be Rmax so I wait for the triangle to pass that. Greetings
@@kruger78 oh and I get close until I get detected, that gives me time to employ two cruise missiles AND add all the other air defenses to the GPS target list so I can switch between them when flying attacks. It seems you change zoom with the EOTS without touching the display? Because that's what I really miss or am too stupid to do. It would massively reduce workload in the heat of battle there is a mod for using physical flight hardware but i don't know if that works great and gives me enough buttons for zoom.
@@AllisterCaine I haven’t seen any 145 specific tutorial but I find it very simple, I just follow the number 6 on the right and when its tip passes the arrow marker, one next to the altimeter, the missile is in range 😁
@@AllisterCaine So, the EOTS zoom is one one of the joysticks, up and down I believe and that’s if you have it on HMD. I don’t think it works with EOTS on MFD. This is a game changer. Another great trick is to hold trigger and grip and press the top controller button and you get a quick save menu and few others, like hand gestures using joysticks while holding trigger and grip. I get asked about it a LOT. VTOL does not, to my knowledge, support any external hardware but I don’t really feel like I need any.
Well there's lots of different things you can do about them but if you're lazy and don't want to evade missiles from the front you can also just shoot the missiles down with your own heat seeking missiles lol
Hi Onur. I never used any mods so far so everything you see is default. The quick menu is activated by pressing the grip, trigger and upper button on a joystick, on either hand
@@kruger78 Wow. The game should convey this better. In my 25 hours playtime, I have never even thought that there was such a function and I haven't seen any other content creator use it so far. I always thought that I had to restart if anything went wrong. Thanks!
@@wir8 I think content creators use the feature but cut it out from the edit. I tend to keep the saves and fails as it’s more realistic. Be careful though, it can be very buggy, depending on when you save it. Sometimes after loading, the mission fails to progress, the missiles act weird and tanks fly!
I've been really enjoying this series so far! I'm completely new to VTOL VR and military flight sims in general, and these video's taught me a lot! I did that first airbase a little more... let's say.. direct. Basically I was shooting the AA as I was flying right over the airbase, but the direct approach did allow me to destroy the long range AA trucks before they even had time to set up and shoot their first missiles. Kinda proud that I came up with the idea of the AGM-161 on my own. Either way, really interesting to see different approaches to a mission like this!
Glad you found the video useful and kudos for the forward thinking with the 161 👍🏻 One of the best parts of the VTOL missions is that there are many different ways to complete the mission so it encourages creativity.
Depending on employing one, two or zero 161s the mission becomes increasingly harder. Without any you aren't allowed Any mistakes and you have to hug the terrain in my opinion. I have never tried simple LGBs, that would be hard mode as you have to loft the LGBs and lase before impact if that even works or stay until the ordinance has been guided home. Lofting JDAMs would be ok since you can give them GPS coordinates. Just set them free precisely. But i have lots of strategies yet to try. After trying for an hour with what I knew I was happy to get rid of the AD. 😁
Спасибо, друг. По твоим видео буду учиться проходить миссии на этом самолете. Подписался на твой канал. Удачи!
Пожалуйста. Если у вас есть вопросы, связанные с конкретной миссией или VTOL VR, не стесняйтесь задавать их здесь. Спасибо за подписку 👍🏻
@@kruger78 как вы вызываете быстрое меню для сохранения игры? Я могу сохранять только через меню на мониторе.
@@Viknof Удерживайте кнопку триггера и рукоятки на любом контроллере, а затем нажмите верхнюю кнопку. Затем используйте джойстик для перемещения по меню. Вы также можете использовать джойстик для выражений рук, удерживая кнопки триггера и рукоятки
kruger78@@kruger78благодарю за ответ. Обязательно попробую 👍
Very entertaining! I also learned something new!
Many thanks, glad you enjoyed it 👍🏻
Maybe didnt exist then but now theres a real smooth camera
It did exist but I used that camera to show external views and used VR mirror for first person view, which wasn’t very good so I stopped using it in later videos.
if its SAM sites try using anti radiation missiles and the ARAD display :)
For some reason, I never grew fond of ARAD missiles, I guess its because the AGMs give me more versatility snd I found them to be more successful in reaching the target.
I'm pretty sure that there actually are no arad missiles for the F-45 and therefore there's no ARAD display but correct me if I'm wrong
@@Moltrax You are not wrong though. This plane has overall better capabilities through its tactical display which shows radar targets as well and AGM-145s are excellent all-round missiles so there is really no need for ARAD missiles. All of its weapons are either radar, gps or optical guided.
@@Moltrax there is arad missiles called agm-88s but you are correct it doesnt usethe arad display but rather you lock on with the tsd (clicking the right thumbstick) then fire when at propper distance it has more range than you think.
Great video. less shaking!
Thank you buddy, tried really hard to keep my head calm this time, takes a bit of practice but I’ll get there 👍🏻
I find using AGM 88's are easier for the SAM sites and 145 for the rest
Does shooting the 161's from the tsd coordinates like this work consistently? Mine always seem to miss by a small margin like its only a approximate location. To get them to hit i have to get within 25m then use eots to grab a gps.
@@MrFreeagent505 You raise an interesting question here. Whilst its true that 161 are more accurate when fired from closer range, I have never questioned the accuracy of the gps coordinates acquired through tsd as opposed to eots. I never thought to compare the strike rate of the two. They do get shot down more than some other missiles. But if you watched from missile perspective and it missed the coordinates, that is something worth exploring a bit more.
I see it tells everyone to wave off even when you're on a perfect approach 🤣 that always annoys me and I land anyway.
That and when you get cleared to land but then you notice on final the jet before you is crossing the deck in your way.
I think I am missing something and its got something to do with the ball. When they say “call the ball” you should say “ball” which should mean you’ve taken visual cue to land. I tried it but it never worked. When you don’t confirm, they say wave off, even if the deck is clear. So I just ignore it 🤷🏻♂️
It was by no means perfect, he was WAY too fast for the approach. Good line up though
Ummm you take how many brimstones with you? Is that a 29? My phone display is small.
Also you keep dragging that cruise missile around that you could have comfortably launched at another mobile sam site which is actually stationary.
I take 8 brimstones, 2 CM (JASSM i guess) and four xrays should i be too slow and some plane takes off.
Also you would be much lighter and have a cleaner RCS which is good so you can get cozy with the sam sites and live.
@@AllisterCaine I take as many 145s as I can carry. They are very versatile missiles and my preferred option. I didn’t understand your point about the cruise missile, I launched it literally as soon as I was in the air, maybe you missed that, I only had one with me
@@kruger78 yeah if you only took one I definitely missed that on the tiny screen. I take two, because it isn't a ballast and will take care of a strela that can make your life horrible with its IR guided SRMs.
They are truly versatile but I prefer only taking what is needed so I have as much mobility should it be in need plus as said external stations kill your RCS and the enemy forces will see you way earlier. Eight internal is enough imo because after taking care of the right side hilltop radar and the strela with the 161s you only need two other brimstones for the S-series radar and another mobile shorad IR missile launcher. You can spend the other six on planes on the ground. but that's the beauty of it, you can take so many ways that work.
Could you recommend a tutorial on 145 employment? Because the range caret isn't totally clear to me. The middle marker seems to be Rmax so I wait for the triangle to pass that.
Greetings
@@kruger78 oh and I get close until I get detected, that gives me time to employ two cruise missiles AND add all the other air defenses to the GPS target list so I can switch between them when flying attacks.
It seems you change zoom with the EOTS without touching the display? Because that's what I really miss or am too stupid to do. It would massively reduce workload in the heat of battle there is a mod for using physical flight hardware but i don't know if that works great and gives me enough buttons for zoom.
@@AllisterCaine I haven’t seen any 145 specific tutorial but I find it very simple, I just follow the number 6 on the right and when its tip passes the arrow marker, one next to the altimeter, the missile is in range 😁
@@AllisterCaine So, the EOTS zoom is one one of the joysticks, up and down I believe and that’s if you have it on HMD. I don’t think it works with EOTS on MFD. This is a game changer. Another great trick is to hold trigger and grip and press the top controller button and you get a quick save menu and few others, like hand gestures using joysticks while holding trigger and grip. I get asked about it a LOT. VTOL does not, to my knowledge, support any external hardware but I don’t really feel like I need any.
i cant even finish the first desert mission of the other aircraft lol :D i cant evade missles fired from a jet
Check my walkthrough of that mission and other missions as well, I also talk about the missile avoidance strategies which could be of help.
Well there's lots of different things you can do about them but if you're lazy and don't want to evade missiles from the front you can also just shoot the missiles down with your own heat seeking missiles lol
@@michahermann7869 im not lazy i just cant do it, they hit me every time i try to evader them
Hey man, is the save-load function on your left hand a mod?
Hi Onur. I never used any mods so far so everything you see is default. The quick menu is activated by pressing the grip, trigger and upper button on a joystick, on either hand
@@kruger78 Wow. The game should convey this better. In my 25 hours playtime, I have never even thought that there was such a function and I haven't seen any other content creator use it so far. I always thought that I had to restart if anything went wrong. Thanks!
@@wir8 I think content creators use the feature but cut it out from the edit. I tend to keep the saves and fails as it’s more realistic. Be careful though, it can be very buggy, depending on when you save it. Sometimes after loading, the mission fails to progress, the missiles act weird and tanks fly!