"The Xylari openly declared their philosophy, that war and conflict was necessary for the galaxy to progress." The response from humanity was as simple as it was profound, and puzzled the overwhelming majority of the galaxy with what it said: "You claim to be scientists, but have just proved that you are actually idiots, because you have absolutely no fucking idea what the hell you're talking about. War doesn't create progress, it creates annihilation, as you will soon learn." Little was heard from humanity for the overwhelming majority of the rest of the war, a hideous age of dark bloodshed and slaughter lasting a full thirty years. They would show up to certain pitched battles faced by close allies, but every attempt to enter human space even by said allies was, at best, politely rebuffed and turned away at the Jump-point: and if any hostility occurred in response, the ship, or even entire fleet, would simply never be heard from again. Then, almost as quickly as it began, this age of war came to an abrupt close, as in a perfectly synchronous set of devastating blows an armada of small-ish moons accelerated to within a fraction of a percentage point of c, slammed into every single Xylari-contrled world, shattering them like so many eggs shot with an identical number of bullets. The death-tole was in the trillions, and the galaxy, knowing intuitively without ever being told who ABSOLUTELY had to be responsible, finally had the answers to the question they long had asked about why they didn't fight human beings: Humanity was both willing, and clearly able, to use levels of "Disproportionate Retribution" the rest of the galaxy hadn't even considered if they were POSSIBLE, let alone feasible. For them, war was a way to acquire resources otherwise unavailable, for humans, it was a way to END a threat to stability. This dichotomy between the two outlooks was so profound, they hadn't considered the possibility of the human outlook even existing, until the Xylari, who also had a radically different outlook, forced the humans to reveal the true depths that their philosophy was capable of being driven to, and starring into the "Black Hole" level depth of annihilation "the Xylari way" had ultimately brought upon their own kind, (With less than ten thousand Xylari surviving anywhere in the galaxy within in less than 10 years after the surgical obliteration of their empire), everyone else came to not only reject their dark philosophy, but, in point of fact, war itself to a significant degree. If THAT was what it took to become an apex-level "Warrior Race", no-one else wanted absolutely ANY part of it.
"terrifyingly disproportional" No, It was a perfectly proportional response. If you get it, you get it. If you don't, the Fat Electrician will guide you.
I agree, the main contradiction is that peace through strength was never contradicted. Humans simply didn't have enough power to QUICKLY and utterly destroy the Xylar. This story failed to make the argument, and as above, is ultimately self contradictory. Much better was the story as presented by Babylon 5. There it wasn't overwhelming force but rather the excess of both chaos and order.
Nobody comprehends the concept of total war anymore. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Sherman's march to the sea...total war brought an end to those conflicts after years of bloodletting.
@@silenttitan416There’s no HFY to be found. Just a horrible war where somehow both sides are the bad guys, and the instigator isn’t punished any more than the “good” guys. A rather unsatisfying ending.
Using wife's phone today not her opinions Uhm I'm not getting this so to all the other sentient species it's ok to use bio war on civilians, refugees and spread it to the galaxy but the humans hit only the enemies planets makes no sense does it?
Glassing the Xylarin home world to inflict unacceptable casualties upon them to stop an implacable and unstoppable enemy is not without precedent. The WW-II Allied aerial fire bombings of the German city of Dresden which caused a city wide fire that was so intense that at one point, it caused a self-feeding, self-sustaining gigantic fire tornado that sucked the very air itself into it with such forceful winds that both people and debris of all kinds were literally picked up off the street and sucked into it from one or more blocks away. Also, the fire bombings of Japanese cities like Tokyo, with all Japanese cities having been constructed at that time with wood and paper products and thus they became city wide raging funeral pyres. These are examples of extreme wartime measures taken to stop an enemy that refused to even consider the concept or possibility of defeat. Even then, Nazi Germany did not surrender until the entire country including the last remaining city blocks of it's capitol Berlin, had been taken. Japan also remained firmly commited to fight to literally the last man, woman, and child, all of whom were in training in 1945 to fight and willingly die fighting an expected Allied invasion of the homeland. Both sides estimated Allied casualties from an invasion of Japan at over 1 million, and Japanese casualties were estimated severe enough to cause the Japanese race to be almost wiped out. It took the 2 atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, with the radioed promise of many more if Japan didn't surrender, to finally break the Japanese will to fight. So this storyline is not without precedent.
Bullshit Japan did not surrender because the US of fucking A throw atomic bombs on them. They surrendered because the the russians pushed them back and prepared for a full scale invasion on Japan. No fucking warcrime against the germans or the japanese people stoped the war it just grew more hate.
While the nuclear bombs played a role they alone were not responsible for the surrender. The Japanese leadership was completely willing to sacrifice every single city and their entire population to buy themselves favourable terms. After all the result of nuclear bombardment wasn't too different from the vast fire bombings. Only the combined threat of conventional and nuclear bombardment and invasion from two sides by the US and Soviet Union forced them to surrender. The bombs certainly played a role but it's not the simple nukes --> surrender logic that is so ingrained in the popular understanding. On a side note the war could have ended weeks, months earlier even, had the US granted the single concession of not prosecuting the Japanese emperor. A concession that the US granted anyway. Many lives could have been saved on both sides. The battle of Okinawa would not have had to happen.
@@lars7935 I agree 100%, and was aware of almost everything you said. The item I wasn't aware of was that the Allies were planning to actually prosecute the Emperior. I thought the Allies were just demanding he be dethroned, so I learned something new. Thanks. I agree that the nuclear bombs and the bluff threat that followed of facing "...a (nuclear) rain of destruction such as the world has never known..." if Japan didn't surrender was merely the final and last straw, in an entire bale of straws, that broke the will of the Japanese. I had forgotten about the Soviet Union's declaration of war on Japan in the final days of the war, so thanks for including that. Your comment was appreciated.
Its HFY "Humanity, F**k yeah!" Not FHY This story is a bog standard "F**k humanity" type of story we see in every damend movie game book .... Why would this Ever be classified as HFY???? Every other genre hates humanity leave this one alone please
How many times are you gonna contradict yourself in a single story? Conceptually its a good story idea, but the writing execution is some of the poorest work I've ever had to listen to.
"The Xylari openly declared their philosophy, that war and conflict was necessary for the galaxy to progress."
The response from humanity was as simple as it was profound, and puzzled the overwhelming majority of the galaxy with what it said:
"You claim to be scientists, but have just proved that you are actually idiots, because you have absolutely no fucking idea what the hell you're talking about. War doesn't create progress, it creates annihilation, as you will soon learn."
Little was heard from humanity for the overwhelming majority of the rest of the war, a hideous age of dark bloodshed and slaughter lasting a full thirty years. They would show up to certain pitched battles faced by close allies, but every attempt to enter human space even by said allies was, at best, politely rebuffed and turned away at the Jump-point: and if any hostility occurred in response, the ship, or even entire fleet, would simply never be heard from again.
Then, almost as quickly as it began, this age of war came to an abrupt close, as in a perfectly synchronous set of devastating blows an armada of small-ish moons accelerated to within a fraction of a percentage point of c, slammed into every single Xylari-contrled world, shattering them like so many eggs shot with an identical number of bullets. The death-tole was in the trillions, and the galaxy, knowing intuitively without ever being told who ABSOLUTELY had to be responsible, finally had the answers to the question they long had asked about why they didn't fight human beings: Humanity was both willing, and clearly able, to use levels of "Disproportionate Retribution" the rest of the galaxy hadn't even considered if they were POSSIBLE, let alone feasible. For them, war was a way to acquire resources otherwise unavailable, for humans, it was a way to END a threat to stability. This dichotomy between the two outlooks was so profound, they hadn't considered the possibility of the human outlook even existing, until the Xylari, who also had a radically different outlook, forced the humans to reveal the true depths that their philosophy was capable of being driven to, and starring into the "Black Hole" level depth of annihilation "the Xylari way" had ultimately brought upon their own kind, (With less than ten thousand Xylari surviving anywhere in the galaxy within in less than 10 years after the surgical obliteration of their empire), everyone else came to not only reject their dark philosophy, but, in point of fact, war itself to a significant degree. If THAT was what it took to become an apex-level "Warrior Race", no-one else wanted absolutely ANY part of it.
"terrifyingly disproportional"
No, It was a perfectly proportional response.
If you get it, you get it. If you don't, the Fat Electrician will guide you.
Well, maybe we decided we needed to be more, "proportional" than the other species thought
@@artybrandtI mean, kinda the point.
"That's the best taco flosser I've ever seen"
Story started well, then began contradicting itself, made no sense given its title
How?
I agree, the main contradiction is that peace through strength was never contradicted. Humans simply didn't have enough power to QUICKLY and utterly destroy the Xylar. This story failed to make the argument, and as above, is ultimately self contradictory.
Much better was the story as presented by Babylon 5. There it wasn't overwhelming force but rather the excess of both chaos and order.
Agreed
Like a lot of wars, no one blames the one who started it.
Exactly. “Cycle of violence” my pink butt.
If you don’t start none, won’t be none.
If you FA you will FO.
@carlfranz6805 yeah, they do.
@@grogvaughan5649 No they don't. See how that's not helpful as a response.
It's often too late. Once entered, the paths of war and reprisals can become a self sustaining monster, devouring all.
@Terran.Marine.2 exactly, that's been going on in the middle east for thousands of years
I appreciate the live narration!
Nobody comprehends the concept of total war anymore. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Sherman's march to the sea...total war brought an end to those conflicts after years of bloodletting.
The reason why Humans are OP. Because God is on our side.
Reminds me of Babylon 5 with Humans as the Vorlons and the Xylari as the Shadows
Yes, exactly, except the Vorlons tried to never fight the Shadows directly.
There’s 24 minutes I’ll never get back
You listened to all of it?😂😂😂
What's the problem with it?
@@silenttitan416There’s no HFY to be found.
Just a horrible war where somehow both sides are the bad guys, and the instigator isn’t punished any more than the “good” guys. A rather unsatisfying ending.
Lesson of the story… Be a sheep… The wolves will be well feed…
Using wife's phone today not her opinions Uhm I'm not getting this so to all the other sentient species it's ok to use bio war on civilians, refugees and spread it to the galaxy but the humans hit only the enemies planets makes no sense does it?
The real reason why Earth is off LIMITS
Humanity: Galaxy Police
Xylari: *pokes humans*
Humans: Im warning you...
Xylari: *pokes humans again*
Humans: I'm WARNING you...
Xylari: *pokes humans more*
Humans: ........................😀
No one wants to fight humans because of the helldivers
was waiting to find a comment like this
This story resonates with current times: USA and Europe against the Muslims? Russians? China? All of above?
Stellaris fanfiction the millionth...
Glassing the Xylarin home world to inflict unacceptable casualties upon them to stop an implacable and unstoppable enemy is not without precedent. The WW-II Allied aerial fire bombings of the German city of Dresden which caused a city wide fire that was so intense that at one point, it caused a self-feeding, self-sustaining gigantic fire tornado that sucked the very air itself into it with such forceful winds that both people and debris of all kinds were literally picked up off the street and sucked into it from one or more blocks away. Also, the fire bombings of Japanese cities like Tokyo, with all Japanese cities having been constructed at that time with wood and paper products and thus they became city wide raging funeral pyres. These are examples of extreme wartime measures taken to stop an enemy that refused to even consider the concept or possibility of defeat. Even then, Nazi Germany did not surrender until the entire country including the last remaining city blocks of it's capitol Berlin, had been taken. Japan also remained firmly commited to fight to literally the last man, woman, and child, all of whom were in training in 1945 to fight and willingly die fighting an expected Allied invasion of the homeland. Both sides estimated Allied casualties from an invasion of Japan at over 1 million, and Japanese casualties were estimated severe enough to cause the Japanese race to be almost wiped out. It took the 2 atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, with the radioed promise of many more if Japan didn't surrender, to finally break the Japanese will to fight. So this storyline is not without precedent.
Dresden was an experiment.
Or, they were eliminating the final means of production.
Bullshit Japan did not surrender because the US of fucking A throw atomic bombs on them. They surrendered because the the russians pushed them back and prepared for a full scale invasion on Japan. No fucking warcrime against the germans or the japanese people stoped the war it just grew more hate.
While the nuclear bombs played a role they alone were not responsible for the surrender. The Japanese leadership was completely willing to sacrifice every single city and their entire population to buy themselves favourable terms.
After all the result of nuclear bombardment wasn't too different from the vast fire bombings.
Only the combined threat of conventional and nuclear bombardment and invasion from two sides by the US and Soviet Union forced them to surrender. The bombs certainly played a role but it's not the simple nukes --> surrender logic that is so ingrained in the popular understanding.
On a side note the war could have ended weeks, months earlier even, had the US granted the single concession of not prosecuting the Japanese emperor. A concession that the US granted anyway. Many lives could have been saved on both sides. The battle of Okinawa would not have had to happen.
@@lars7935 I agree 100%, and was aware of almost everything you said. The item I wasn't aware of was that the Allies were planning to actually prosecute the Emperior. I thought the Allies were just demanding he be dethroned, so I learned something new. Thanks. I agree that the nuclear bombs and the bluff threat that followed of facing "...a (nuclear) rain of destruction such as the world has never known..." if Japan didn't surrender was merely the final and last straw, in an entire bale of straws, that broke the will of the Japanese. I had forgotten about the Soviet Union's declaration of war on Japan in the final days of the war, so thanks for including that. Your comment was appreciated.
It's like world war 2 but in fiction
I was thinking it was Vietnam in space
Its HFY
"Humanity, F**k yeah!"
Not FHY
This story is a bog standard "F**k humanity" type of story we see in every damend movie game book ....
Why would this Ever be classified as HFY????
Every other genre hates humanity leave this one alone please
I'm just here to both comment.
For The Algorithm. This Is The Way
How many times are you gonna contradict yourself in a single story? Conceptually its a good story idea, but the writing execution is some of the poorest work I've ever had to listen to.
BS! Better look at coloured revolution!!
BS!
I like the narration this story sucks though.
Israel v hamas…
I cannot listen to the way he reads very annoying voice
Woke dribble.