I am a newer fan of your channel; having only discovered you this year. I very much appreciate your humble honesty, caring guidance, and your humor. I feel that the passion and effort you place into your videos inspiring. Well done, and thanks!
Thank you!!! And yes! All of them are great so deff gonna be preference. I will do a separate one on my preference because a few have reached out asking for it lol
I had issues with woodriver planes, for the prices they weren't as machined as well as I would like. I know Rob likes them but even he modifies them as he shows us haha for that price I don't wanna have to work on the plane :D I love bevel up planes, they deff have their place in my shop but I didn't wanna get into the battle of bevel down vs bevel up in this comparison. Maybe one day :D
unrelated question, but do you know if a clifton ajuster can fit on a lie nielson frog, and the other way around? als do you know if you can swap them from a wood river and stanley as well? and from stanley and lie nielson? thnx, great video
Becouse I want to buy a adjustar from rob cosman but my plane is not a brand that is known to mutch. Its a dictum no4 smoother. And the threatpitch is difrent that a stanley. I want to know witch plane it would work in and witch one is closest to it
Vibration can be bad for surface finishes. The Stanley propaganda for the Bedrock design, for example, emphasized it's resistance to vibration. How detectable this might be in a hand plane is questionable but my point is that grey cast iron is not an inferior material. The impact resistance of ductile iron comes with a cost in terms of worse vibration resistance. No free lunches in engineering 🙂 @@BatCaveCreations
Definitely true compared to white iron or steel; however, ductile iron is pretty similar to similar to grey iron (both have graphite inclusion, flakes for grey iron, spheroids for ductile iron), so the vibration damping might be similar, though that's just speculation on my part - I looked but couldn't find any information on this.
Grey iron is inelastic and soaks up the vibrations compared to ductile iron. This is an absolutely uncontroversial fact in materials technology. " Grey vs Ductile iron vibration " might be a useful Google search for you 🙂@@Dennis-vh8tz
I would not like the hex wrench for the chip breaker. Deal breaker for me. I am more used to the lever type blade adjuster, and that has been the most difficult thing for me to get right. I have actually taken to using a small wood hammer to move it a tiny bit side to side. It is just simpler for me, and more accurate. I do have one of the Woodriver planes, and think it is as good as anything else I own. My #4s are mostly Stanley, and they are not the heavy duty ones.
Follow up! The LN fits into the Clifton so I'd imagine it goes the other way around but forgot to check thay specifically and now they are packed and on their way home :( sorry!
Hey there Jamie, I’ve been a fan since the beginning. That said, I had a hard time following you because I am a little slow. You might want to slow your delivery a bit. That echo also impeded my following what you were saying, I had to keep backing up. Sorry to be throwing out negativity, but I hope don’t take offense. I still gave you 👍 .
no offense taken! I tried something different and unique here, wanted to see how it would go. This deff won't be an ongoing thing hahah took way to much time :D hahah
Is that 01 iron or O1 steel? Reading your post cast O1 steel is the first thing that comes to my mind, and cryogenic treatment would imply that it was also quenched and tempered, which would then explain the 20 foot test mentioned in another post. Properly heat treated steel would survive being dropped better than any cast iron.
@Grovesrussell it is the feel, ease of set up and amazing shavings. Check this out, I've never been able to get another plane to do this that well and consistent: th-cam.com/users/shortsc5y3_Uab0Zc?feature=share
@@BatCaveCreations makes me wonder how much of the beautiful shavings are the plane over the iron. Its that wierd chicken vs egg situation i always think of when i see a plane and another makers irons
@Grovesrussell that is a valid point. I have a LN iron in during that video but I never got the LN to do that. The chip breaker is LN also, I believe. It's been a while now but still a valid point. I'll have to test that out and with diff chip breakers
I don't know about the Veritas clogging. It could be the iron is not sharp enough or the mouth needs to be closed a bit. I don't own it. How about asking them? Veritas is great at customer service in answering questions. I have Lie Neilsen and the older Clifton planes, each with its' own advantages and I like them both as different friends. When set up properly they do good work. Having a background in structural engineering each material [Gray vs. Ductal] has its' advantages but breaking when dropped is not a problem to either as one of the comments below point out. I'm not going to go into the iron [blade] material points, just let's say all can be sharpened too crazy sharp one faster than the other. All will lose its 'sharpness one faster than the other and really doesn't matter if you hone as you go. I have a couple of Bedrocks, a 5.5 and a 7 and after a little light heat treatment they almost keep up with the others except on really hard difficult grain wood. I've thought about new replacement irons but went no further. Viv-ally-Different! By the way I have restored Bailly planes that can keep up on most woods. Photo Finish Tie!
Thank you! I haven't reached out to LV yet but I may, although it sounds like it's just a common thing with the plane lol I agree about diff planes doing diff things, for example I love my clico clifton with the 45* and the veritas with the 55* idk why just love the feel and the finish with that set up. You are correct about the irons also! Thank you for sharing!!!
Whilst I really appreciated the content, this is the most irritating presentation style I have seen in a while! Kudos for getting hold of these and showing that, basically, there is little to choose between them!
The green Clifton for me everytime. I wish you had gone into the test in more detail, sorry didn't like this type of video, much prefer your normal style of videos.
I love the green clifton thats my normal user for the 45* angle. Thank you for the feedback also! I wanted to try something different and see how it goes. Deff won't be the norm, took way to long hahahah
I've got a number 5 clico green clifton , also got David Charlesworths no 6 clico green with Karl Hotley blade in it , very weighty planes , im kind of moving over to wooden planes now .
I've moved some of mine to wooden. My jointer, scrub and some jointery are wooden but I need to practice more before I dedicate to a wooden smoother or jack haha And your clico sounds amazing!
My opinion on these planes!
th-cam.com/video/_oAyAzqsSSk/w-d-xo.html
I am a newer fan of your channel; having only discovered you this year. I very much appreciate your humble honesty, caring guidance, and your humor. I feel that the passion and effort you place into your videos inspiring. Well done, and thanks!
Thank you!!! That means alot to me and I appreciate you taking the time to say it!!
Very informative and fun video. Thank you.
Thank you!! I had fun with this one :D
I'm in love with my bronze Lie Nielsen No. 4 🙂 - but maybe it's in another category (heavy weight)
Yeah, it's a bronze Lie Nielsen that I have my heart set on. Haven't spotted a 4½ in bronze yet though
I would love to try all these out
Very creative video. Thanks
Thank you!! :D
Nice work! That Bob guy is a heck of a commentator!
It's like the inner Jamie sneaking out hahahahh thank you!
Hey Dude…. Watch’a been drinkin’? I’m ordering a gallon jug! 😂
Hahaha LIFE! Had to Give this a go and let my crazy out hahaa
@@BatCaveCreations well….. some interesting “plane truths” were spoken in your drunken rant…..
fun video, Jamie. nice job! I think you absolutely touched on some of the positives and negatives. All three look to be awesome planes.
Thank you!!! And yes! All of them are great so deff gonna be preference. I will do a separate one on my preference because a few have reached out asking for it lol
@@BatCaveCreations Yup. That would be great!
Great video! Entertaining and informative!
Love it! I've never used a 4 that I know of, but I might need to find one.
JAMES! how have you not used a 4?!
Haha, I fail! I've used a 2, 3, 5, 6, and something gigantic... never a 4@@BatCaveCreations
Deff fail! TRY A 4
You didn’t test it but I love my ECE primus smoother. She got a work out today, I can do at least 20 passes before having to clear the shavings.
I thought about doing another one with wooden planes but I gotta get better st the tap tap lol I know the ECE doesn't tap tap but other do haha
Have you tried the Wood River planes? How do they compare? How about the similarly sized Veritas bevel up planes?
I had issues with woodriver planes, for the prices they weren't as machined as well as I would like. I know Rob likes them but even he modifies them as he shows us haha for that price I don't wanna have to work on the plane :D
I love bevel up planes, they deff have their place in my shop but I didn't wanna get into the battle of bevel down vs bevel up in this comparison. Maybe one day :D
This was just plane awesome.
Haha thank you!!!
unrelated question, but do you know if a clifton ajuster can fit on a lie nielson frog, and the other way around? als do you know if you can swap them from a wood river and stanley as well? and from stanley and lie nielson? thnx, great video
Thank you!
I can check all of the above besides the woodriver. I don't have one :/
Do you mean the depth adjuster or which part?
@@BatCaveCreations yes the depth adjuster. If you want to do that meny thanks!
Becouse I want to buy a adjustar from rob cosman but my plane is not a brand that is known to mutch. Its a dictum no4 smoother. And the threatpitch is difrent that a stanley. I want to know witch plane it would work in and witch one is closest to it
I have a thread pitch guage lemmie see if that will help! I'll run down now and check brb
@@BatCaveCreations aah thanks soo mutch!
Nicely done. 😂
Entertaining and informative.
Haha thank you!
Grey cast iron has superior vibration dampening compared to any other kind. This is why it was used for many machine tools.
I heard that before but idk enough about the metal types to understand how that is beneficial in a plane? do you know?
Vibration can be bad for surface finishes. The Stanley propaganda for the Bedrock design, for example, emphasized it's resistance to vibration. How detectable this might be in a hand plane is questionable but my point is that grey cast iron is not an inferior material. The impact resistance of ductile iron comes with a cost in terms of worse vibration resistance. No free lunches in engineering 🙂 @@BatCaveCreations
@@seanmac5507 fair enough! Thank you for sharing!!!
Definitely true compared to white iron or steel; however, ductile iron is pretty similar to similar to grey iron (both have graphite inclusion, flakes for grey iron, spheroids for ductile iron), so the vibration damping might be similar, though that's just speculation on my part - I looked but couldn't find any information on this.
Grey iron is inelastic and soaks up the vibrations compared to ductile iron. This is an absolutely uncontroversial fact in materials technology. " Grey vs Ductile iron vibration " might be a useful Google search for you 🙂@@Dennis-vh8tz
I would not like the hex wrench for the chip breaker. Deal breaker for me. I am more used to the lever type blade adjuster, and that has been the most difficult thing for me to get right. I have actually taken to using a small wood hammer to move it a tiny bit side to side. It is just simpler for me, and more accurate. I do have one of the Woodriver planes, and think it is as good as anything else I own. My #4s are mostly Stanley, and they are not the heavy duty ones.
Thank you for sharing! I like hearing other people's opinions!
The Veritas chip breaker arrives new with a 25 degree angle 📐 to it & requires honing to 45 “ pitch.
Thank you!
@@BatCaveCreationsAs a matter of curiosity, did you resolve your ejection problem with the Veritas? Thanks for sharing!
@GeeDeeBird I did! Kinda, adding that micro to the CB helped alot: th-cam.com/video/KcUbwlUo8JA/w-d-xo.html
@@BatCaveCreations Thanks for the quick response, Jamie! Interesting this video didn't come up in my search for "Veritas custom plane." Keyword issue?
Can you put the Clifton O1 blade on the Lie Nielsen?
I havent tried yet but i want to try that this week/weekend :D
Follow up! The LN fits into the Clifton so I'd imagine it goes the other way around but forgot to check thay specifically and now they are packed and on their way home :( sorry!
Hey there Jamie, I’ve been a fan since the beginning. That said, I had a hard time following you because I am a little slow. You might want to slow your delivery a bit. That echo also impeded my following what you were saying, I had to keep backing up. Sorry to be throwing out negativity, but I hope don’t take offense. I still gave you 👍 .
no offense taken! I tried something different and unique here, wanted to see how it would go. This deff won't be an ongoing thing hahah took way to much time :D hahah
Well, that’s how you learn! Keep up the good work.
Amen to that!
Modern clifton is a cryogenic 01 iron. Just fyi
Ah! Good catch! Can you explain the difference so I can pin this?
Is that 01 iron or O1 steel? Reading your post cast O1 steel is the first thing that comes to my mind, and cryogenic treatment would imply that it was also quenched and tempered, which would then explain the 20 foot test mentioned in another post. Properly heat treated steel would survive being dropped better than any cast iron.
@@Dennis-vh8tz sorry, I meant cutting iron/blade
Clifton is cheaper than lie nelson here in uk. Infact depending on curency conversion its the cheapest for me
That is awesome!!! I ended up picking the clifton as my user of choice. I love the feedback it gives, idk how to explain it but it's the feel lol
@@BatCaveCreations so even though the new clifton is 'older' tech build you prefer it? Is it just how it feels or something else
@Grovesrussell it is the feel, ease of set up and amazing shavings. Check this out, I've never been able to get another plane to do this that well and consistent:
th-cam.com/users/shortsc5y3_Uab0Zc?feature=share
@@BatCaveCreations makes me wonder how much of the beautiful shavings are the plane over the iron. Its that wierd chicken vs egg situation i always think of when i see a plane and another makers irons
@Grovesrussell that is a valid point. I have a LN iron in during that video but I never got the LN to do that. The chip breaker is LN also, I believe. It's been a while now but still a valid point. I'll have to test that out and with diff chip breakers
I don't know about the Veritas clogging. It could be the iron is not sharp enough or the mouth needs to be closed a bit. I don't own it. How about asking them? Veritas is great at customer service in answering questions. I have Lie Neilsen and the older Clifton planes, each with its' own advantages and I like them both as different friends. When set up properly they do good work. Having a background in structural engineering each material [Gray vs. Ductal] has its' advantages but breaking when dropped is not a problem to either as one of the comments below point out. I'm not going to go into the iron [blade] material points, just let's say all can be sharpened too crazy sharp one faster than the other. All will lose its 'sharpness one faster than the other and really doesn't matter if you hone as you go. I have a couple of Bedrocks, a 5.5 and a 7 and after a little light heat treatment they almost keep up with the others except on really hard difficult grain wood. I've thought about new replacement irons but went no further. Viv-ally-Different! By the way I have restored Bailly planes that can keep up on most woods. Photo Finish Tie!
Thank you! I haven't reached out to LV yet but I may, although it sounds like it's just a common thing with the plane lol
I agree about diff planes doing diff things, for example I love my clico clifton with the 45* and the veritas with the 55* idk why just love the feel and the finish with that set up.
You are correct about the irons also!
Thank you for sharing!!!
12:00 Greenwich mean time?
What?
Lie Nielson hands down.
Mim patrocina amigo com uma dessa sou pobre e necessito
Whilst I really appreciated the content, this is the most irritating presentation style I have seen in a while!
Kudos for getting hold of these and showing that, basically, there is little to choose between them!
The green Clifton for me everytime. I wish you had gone into the test in more detail, sorry didn't like this type of video, much prefer your normal style of videos.
I love the green clifton thats my normal user for the 45* angle.
Thank you for the feedback also! I wanted to try something different and see how it goes. Deff won't be the norm, took way to long hahahah
I've got a number 5 clico green clifton , also got David Charlesworths no 6 clico green with Karl Hotley blade in it , very weighty planes , im kind of moving over to wooden planes now .
I've moved some of mine to wooden. My jointer, scrub and some jointery are wooden but I need to practice more before I dedicate to a wooden smoother or jack haha
And your clico sounds amazing!
That was definitely an entertaining comparison!
Lie nielsen is the winner!🎉