Is Spinning Gears Really Faster?

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  • How fast you turn those pedals is an important aspect to get right, especially when it comes to keeping those legs fresher for the latter stages of a ride. In this respect, is it better to spin to win or to grind it out? Bear with us... Conor is about to do some science 🔬 🧐
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  • @gcn
    @gcn  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    🤔 Do you prefer to spin to win or to slow things down and grind it out up those hills?

    • @bradl7439
      @bradl7439 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      In my area, up hills usually means using the lowest gear I have, grind by necessity and doing a lot of 🤬 . Otherwise, I prefer to neither grind or spin. There's a 'sweet spot' between the two that for me is around 83 cadence.

    • @musclelessfitness2045
      @musclelessfitness2045 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Spin to win :) 85-95 rpm

    • @leighdickinson8299
      @leighdickinson8299 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Spinning always better

    • @emmabird9745
      @emmabird9745 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Spinning saves energy for later, I'm sold on. However, I find it hard to spin above about 70 for more than a few minutes and 60 is more normal. Please, Connor, show me how to train to be able to spin faster.

    • @leighdickinson8299
      @leighdickinson8299 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Try doing spinning session on the Turbo trainer, without resistance or on rollers if you've got them to train you leg. That what I was adviced by one of the old lads in our club years ago & it work if you did regular enough@@emmabird9745

  • @jevgeniardassov
    @jevgeniardassov 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    Used to be a grinder, got old got bad knees, learned to spin. Comfortable cadence is 80-90, a lot better on the knees… 😂

    • @ninjaxd9050
      @ninjaxd9050 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      80-90 isn't even spinning, that's just normal.

  • @matejstankovic9843
    @matejstankovic9843 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +105

    He should do another ride with his preferred cadence and then compare the drop-off

    • @MangoJim90
      @MangoJim90 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Next year I suppose....

    • @gerrysecure5874
      @gerrysecure5874 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, and then another one with rest to judge the tiring effect of the first of 2 all out efforts by themselves.
      So 4 runs at least 💪

  • @youtwosheds
    @youtwosheds 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Back in the ‘90s (80s?) I read an interview in which someone asked Guido Bontempi if he liked to spin a small gear or push a big gear. He replied, “ I like to spin a big gear!”

    • @gcn
      @gcn  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hahahah that works for some 🤣

  • @wordupcornflake
    @wordupcornflake 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +133

    always look forward to the yearly gcn spin v grinding video

    • @gcn
      @gcn  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Are you a spinner or a grinder?

    • @alch3mi5t.
      @alch3mi5t. 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      🤣

    • @alch3mi5t.
      @alch3mi5t. 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@gcn yes, spinner or a grinder, yes.

    • @blueshun
      @blueshun 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I always get escorted out when I grind though, so I'm Team Spin.

    • @Ed.R
      @Ed.R 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@gcn I'm a stay at the sweet spot exactly in between.

  • @Gixer750pilot
    @Gixer750pilot 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    Due to GCN cut backs , Connor now has to do his own sound and editing effects . Cracked me up

    • @gcn
      @gcn  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      🤣 No matter the budget you can't stop this guy having fun 🙌

  • @captcomps
    @captcomps 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +44

    Preferred cadence is the key. And finding the sweet spot for how you feel on any particular day. Your strength will grow the more you build it, but you don't have to push yourself so hard to increase your strength and stamina, in fact you're more likely to go out riding more if you really enjoy the rides that you do. Ride for yourself, not for strava, or an audience. Just go out and enjoy it.

    • @jaydibernardo4320
      @jaydibernardo4320 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Best advice yet.

    • @johnboom6777
      @johnboom6777 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yep.
      Who's the best surfer in the world, answer, the one who enjoys themself the most.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Finding your rhythm is a great point! It can really help you build confidence and enjoy the miles 🙌

  • @AndrewEbling
    @AndrewEbling 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    Generally do find keeping cadence high does preserve legs for later in the ride. However there can be a tradeoff with saddle comfort - spinning faster can cause you to bounce in the saddle and also reduces the amount of your weight put through the pedals, meaning more through the saddle, which can further impact saddle comfort.

    • @DPS-Runner_Cyclist
      @DPS-Runner_Cyclist 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Yes, I find higher cadence causes more saddle soreness!

    • @gcn
      @gcn  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's an interesting trade off! Do you think it makes a difference what sort of surface you are on?

    • @AndrewEbling
      @AndrewEbling 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gcn unsure. But high cadence probably isn't best idea on gravel anyway, due to impact on traction (same reason you drive a car in a high gear/low revs in icey conditions)?

  • @franksandhamable
    @franksandhamable 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    On a bit of a tangent. When I set of on a multi week tour, I have a mantra for the first three days "spin don't grind" ! It gives my fitness a chance to catch up with a loaded bike.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's a great idea! Less fatigue over the long distance too 🙌

  • @shepshape2585
    @shepshape2585 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Here is the best piece of advice I was given when I started riding: High cadence saves your legs but taxes your heart. Low cadence taxes the legs but saves the heart. So if you're just starting out and your fitness needs a lot of work, a slower cadence is probably going to work better for you. As your fitness improves, you can work on increasing your cadence. To be fair though, no one cadence works for everyone. There are Tour pros who grind big gears and have a lot of success. Find what works for you and stick to it. The most important thing after all is that you enjoy riding your bike. It's supposed to be fun.

  • @ThomasAnselmi1337
    @ThomasAnselmi1337 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Raised my avg cadence from about 85 to 95 over the last year or so and it has made a difference for sure. Less power loss and easier to ride long multiple days in a row.

  • @jbratt
    @jbratt 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +160

    Lungs will recover faster than legs.

    • @panjimoulana
      @panjimoulana 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Exactly. My lungs recover in minutes, while my legs recover in a whole day

    • @MsTatakai
      @MsTatakai 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      mine is not the case.. with good train yor legs never fatigue to begin with... what you perceive as fatigue is lack of training ... do more hours so your train your legs to adapt and get stronger... i always grind and i only spin in hill climbs or sprints... grinding is ezier and less fatiguing =P just train more those legs and the lactate tolerance is a thing

    • @lostmind5111
      @lostmind5111 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      Never skipp Lung Day.

    • @harimathur2191
      @harimathur2191 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@panjimoulanamaybe. But lungs fatigue faster. Out of breath recover out of breath recover. Not very efficient.

    • @tlf.
      @tlf. 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I agree

  • @nemure
    @nemure 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Doesn't matter how many times you try this, you'll be wrong with either conclusion. None is better, each style works best for different people. It's unique to each and won't apply the same to everyone.
    For some people high cadence will with light gears while opposite for others will work best.
    For me personally lower cadence with heavier gears works best, I last longer and go faster, but again, this is personal and changes from person to person.

  • @nickfitzpatrick5302
    @nickfitzpatrick5302 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Nice video Connor. A decent look at an interesting topic and good to see something of substance again.

  • @geoffreyhoney122
    @geoffreyhoney122 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Super fascinating content Conor and gcn! Love the gcn does science videos! Surprised as I usually like aslower cadence (I have massive quads) but now I will try and up the cadence. 'Duracell Giraffe' had me rolling on the floor! Right up there with 'Platypus Unleashed'! Great content! More please!

  • @iggalan
    @iggalan 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I just looked at my cadence in my last triathlon and it was 99 rpm (Olympic distance, so 40 Km ride). I don't look at the numbers when racing, so that is what feels most comfortable for me. Considering that afterwards I still have a run to do, I can positively say that the higher cadence saves my legs.

  • @stephensharp975
    @stephensharp975 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I used to ride a low cadence in the early 80s the same as many people at the time, then I did quite a bit of training on a low fixed, and learnt to spin, my results changed dramatically for the better. I found that when I used a high cadence, I tired much less than other competitors over multiple stage events. Everyone was telling me to use higher gears, 13-18, 13-21 blocks were often used at the time, but I was only using similar cadence to what modern riders are using today, it just made more sense. i went from a third cat rider to first category in the space of a few months mainly by changing my cadence.

  • @buster.keaton
    @buster.keaton 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Are there any long term studies on knee health in regards to spinning vs grinding? As one ages and one's knees start "talking back", spinning starts to feel like the only option.

  • @richardharris8538
    @richardharris8538 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you, Conor, for a salutary reminder and encouragement for me to up my cadence, generally.

  • @JessBoolin
    @JessBoolin 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    My prefered cadence when climbing is to grind, though I know why,
    I came to gravel/road from riding BMX bikes everywhere, there's no other option when you have one gear, and so slow and steady was the way to go.
    I also ONLY ride for fun or transportation, not for speed, so when you lose that motivation it really is whatever makes you comfortable.
    Likely also contributing to this is, I have better legs then lungs, I often break for air more then for aches or sore muscles.
    May we all enjoy how we ride! Great video!
    .

  • @craigfoulkes
    @craigfoulkes 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    My natural cadence is about 75. But I am trying to use a higher cadence so that I can protect my knees.

    • @johnboom6777
      @johnboom6777 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Craig,
      If you have always ridden with high gears you should be alright just keep away from simple carbohydrates, sugar.

    • @peterwillson1355
      @peterwillson1355 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The harmful effect is cumulative. Food doesnt come into it​@johnboom6777

  • @climbslc2281
    @climbslc2281 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Gearing, or lack there of, is where people end up grinding too slow and end up over-extending around here (mountains). And no need. There are tons of options for smaller gears that still maintain top end and don't overly affect step size to 12 speeds.

  • @kevindean9613
    @kevindean9613 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    I was advised that grinding on long rides like LEJOG was the main cause of severe cramps ,I've learnt to spin more now on hills .

    • @gcn
      @gcn  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That is a BIG ride 👌 Great to hear spinning got you there 🙌

  • @markbooth6745
    @markbooth6745 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    It's all about pedaling efficiently. Good video Conner. 😃👍

    • @Ed.R
      @Ed.R 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Which means it's all about finding the sweet spot between spinning and grinding. The optimum depends very much on power output. I don't believe it should vary so much between individuals as the mechanics of the human body remains similar. People who spin should work on leg strength and those who grind lung strength. The aim being to fatigue the lungs and legs at the same rate. Having said that though raising or lowering cadence is a way to find a personal optimum if someone is lacking in strength of lungs or legs. However it still doesn't get around what I believe is an optimum cadence based on the mechanics of the human body. Although some people just naturally have stronger legs or stronger lungs so I suppose cadence is a personalised thing.
      I don't know if this makes any sense now it's a complex subject the more I think about it.

  • @paulgrimshaw8334
    @paulgrimshaw8334 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Suggested Topic!
    Could you guys do a segment on cornering. Entry point, braking point, turn-in, apex, exit point for single and decreasing radius turns?
    Just watched a TH-cam vid from a podcaster in Mallorca and the cornering techniques were painful to watch… like road rash or being a hood ornament, which is what can happen when people don’t understand the mechanics of turning.
    People think cornering technique is racing stuff, but it can be the matter of life and death on public roads and fitness rides too.

  • @devinmcgauley3715
    @devinmcgauley3715 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    love seeing this video every year

  • @PoulHansenDK
    @PoulHansenDK 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    There is an upper limit to the advantage of spinning, as very high cadence makes you use a lot of effort just to make the legs go up and down, which doesn't benefit your speed.

  • @DoNuT_1985
    @DoNuT_1985 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    How many times did we have this video, two, three times? I think, the TLDR is: There is no right or wrong answer and it depends on your physique, type of riding and probably even the situation and your current condition during the ride. When your legs are totally shot or you bonk, I find it even harder to grind or get out of the saddle (sore muscles don't like the added strain), when not, I actually like it to mix it up and vary the load, get out of the saddle, change position - or just avoid shifting to the small chainring to push over a small crest. Same goes for staying in a higher gear.
    Less "cycling rules", more personal preference and intuition. Part of the fun is finding your own way, figuring things out.

  • @jeffhebert8963
    @jeffhebert8963 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve found that as I’ve aged (currently 57) grinding out a big gear makes me more prone to muscle cramps. Spinning up the hills seems to help with that.

  • @krehme
    @krehme 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I do frequent easy day rides in the virtual world,but when my power is digitally limited, I find my cadence drifting way up above what feels natural ITRW. I absolutely feel the difference in the low power-high cadence time vs my regular ride.

  • @goodcompanycoffee
    @goodcompanycoffee 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Excellent experiment and empirical results to support the theory! Great vid Connor

    • @LeonardoPostacchini
      @LeonardoPostacchini 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Serious scientific studies show that the best cadence is the cyclist preferred cadence, high or low. This was only anedotic evidence for Connor himself.

  • @jonathanbenn2241
    @jonathanbenn2241 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Grinding is harder on my knees. Have always been a spinner.

  • @JaccoSW
    @JaccoSW 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Recently got a cadence sensor in preparation for a big tour. Just looking forward to figuring out what my cadence is at all. I do recall spinning faster than I did several years ago.

  • @johnboom6777
    @johnboom6777 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've always been a grinder, ex NATURAL powerlifter in my younger days, snapping crank axles.
    Now 75yo using single 81 tooth self made chainring. Start off at North Head hill ( Sydney) in 3rd from bottom and after a few flat spots to enable cluster gear change end up near top on 8th from bottom where its not quite so steep.

  • @who_stole_my_username
    @who_stole_my_username 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Zero cadence downhill is the easiest of all.

  • @dennish9519
    @dennish9519 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I am naturally a spinner. About 90-95 rpms. But when I got into gravel riding with the steep sharp climbs, which most required grinding out the gears to get over I noticed that my normal cadence dropped. SO even out on the road my cadence would be now high 80's low 90's. To me it shows that you adjust to the type of riding fairly easily.

  • @andymonis5368
    @andymonis5368 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi. Good video.
    It is interesting to know that spinning (or at least 85-90 rpm) can have an impact on performance for longer rides. This helps me understand better how to respond at different times in the ride. Rather than just grinding in the pain cave from the get go

  • @cb6866
    @cb6866 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thanks Conor and crew...presently unable to ride outdoors ...love the sound affects ! Be well

    • @gcn
      @gcn  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      We hope you're getting some time on the turbo 💨

    • @cb6866
      @cb6866 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gcn I am , I got a Tacx , and I love it !! Zwiftified

  • @ziippracing
    @ziippracing 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Back in the nineties when I headed out with SASI the did spin training where we’d select a small gear and hold around 40kph spinning about 140+ rpm
    Made it easy to sit on 110 and also sprint without needing to change gear

  • @liamm8992
    @liamm8992 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Generally a spinner, but there is a limit. I've a single speed cx bike with gearing for off road uphill. False flat descents on tarmac are destructive - not steep enough to freewheel, but very little resistance from pedals. A few mins of that and my hip flexors are aching!

  • @questgivercyradis8462
    @questgivercyradis8462 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I had preferred low, but during knee injury recovery, I've moved to higher cadence to take some pressure off the knee. Once it is better I'll probably end up in some middle ground.

  • @fastasasloth
    @fastasasloth 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ah excellent, my day isnt complete without another "GCN butchers science" episode... :)

  • @ljadf
    @ljadf 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    For anyone not racing but cycling for fitness, I don't think it matters too much either way, but decide if you're more interested in building strength from low cadence or cardiovascular endurance from high cadence.

  • @theburntginger
    @theburntginger 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    High cadence hurts my knees more than heavy low cadence but I've had major knee surgeries on one which has slowly caused degradation on the other. I def prefer a lower cadence around 80-85 rpm

  • @andersnyberg4034
    @andersnyberg4034 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I like to sit forward on my bike and put the cleats back max. I prefer to keep a lower cadence because you don't waste energy. It just give you more power while riding steady and you keep that power contact all the way. But I also have a high peak power and it comes naturally to press a bit. If you are leaner, then it's perhaps easier for you to spin like a washing machine.

  • @AjaySadasivan-dt6tx
    @AjaySadasivan-dt6tx 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I just go by the motto : make things easiest for you. Uphills? High cadence, flat roads? Low/medium cadence? Driving past annoying drivers stuck in traffic? *loud freehub noises activate*

  • @Cycle.every.day.
    @Cycle.every.day. 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Your body will select the cadence that's right for you, there's no one rpm number that suits all, if you're 10rpm higher or lower than the guy next to you it's ok.

    • @andersnyberg4034
      @andersnyberg4034 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Actually studies show that we often choose a cadence which is a bit lower than the optimal and with some cadence training can improve quite a bit.

    • @Ed.R
      @Ed.R 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm not so sure the optimum should be so different between individuals. At the end of the day, like the mechanics of an engine, there is an optimum rpm for power output. The main reason I believe for a difference is the ability to compensate for less leg strength by using a higher rpm. The higher the rpm, the lower the efficiency, and so building leg strength might be beneficial. The aim is to achieve optimum load on the legs for every pedal stroke. Which brings me on to the fact that cadence should vary depending on power output. The optimum for efficiency is around 65rpm at 100W, 72rpm for 200W, 80rpm for 300W and so on. This explains why pros have a higher cadence because they might be averaging 300W plus so 80 - 90rpm is optimum. However for an amateur doing 150W 70rpm is much more efficient, not trying to copy the pros by doing 85rpm.

    • @user-ep6iw9he7e
      @user-ep6iw9he7e 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Ed.R There's actually a mechanical difference due to proportions of the leg bones structure, muscle insertions, size of the legs in relation to lenght of the crank, but what you totally miss is physiological differences - different proportions of different muscle type fibers, different balance of neurotransmitters (both are kinda related). Of course your muscle type can change over time with the training but the point a certain person will get (with the final balance of muscle type fibers) with a training given depends on genetics, which imo will determine what's the optimal cadence depending on strenght to endurance ratio.

    • @andersnyberg4034
      @andersnyberg4034 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Ed.R So you mean if I do sub 70 rpm and average 200w, it wouldnt be optimal? Then you are probably having a bad bike fit. I do 200w and sub 70 rpm as a slow ride.

    • @Ed.R
      @Ed.R 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @andersnyberg4034 I've not doubt I probably don't have the best bike fit. The numbers I quoted come from a graph of maximum pedalling efficiency rpm against power output. These values seem to be what I personally find optimal.
      Obviously you might be different. I'm not suggesting there is an optimum power output if that's what you were assuming. I'm talking about a relationship between cadence and power.

  • @christiancondin4496
    @christiancondin4496 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Putting a new spin on an old topic😂

  • @rayF4rio
    @rayF4rio 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The cadence number is immaterial, your self selected cadence at which you feel most efficient and comfortable is best

  • @andyshaw5378
    @andyshaw5378 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I would interested in how these figures change with riders of different leg length 🤔.

  • @mikewatkins422
    @mikewatkins422 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Outcome is consistent with exercise physio mechanisms associated with muscle fatigue. Nice touch would have been to circle back to this at the end...

  • @MrTeff999
    @MrTeff999 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Did I miss something? This comparison is only valid if the power outputs during the one-hour intervals were the same. (You could cruze easily at 60 RPM for an hour, and be very fresh for the second 5-minute effort.)

    • @MrYorrik
      @MrYorrik 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Was thinking exactly the same thing. Surely, it really depends on the power you are putting out during that 1 hour. Okay, grinding must fatigue the leg muscles more at mid to higher powers, but there must be a point at some lower power where lifting your legs up and down fatigues more at high rpm than low. No idea what that power is though ;)

  • @user-it9vs3vq2z
    @user-it9vs3vq2z 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It might be related to the physics of the wind resistance. On the flat the primary resistance is due to the drag force which is proportional to velocity squared. You feel each surge when you are going fast and you hear pulses of the wind. It could be that you slow down because there is a longer lag time between down-strokes when pedaling slow and then the resistance isn't there when you start to apply the force and by the time you get through the stroke and accelerate your done with the stroke. When you are going up a climb the force of gravity that you are working against is constant.

  • @lukewalker1051
    @lukewalker1051 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Unrelatedly Conor, I have been around bike fitting for decades and a couple of comments about your bike fit. I like you aren't running much drop. I believe this is best.
    However, your reach looks to be a full 20mm short. You look to be much too scrunched up saddle tip to stem/handlebar center. Another way to consider fit for a tall man...I am tallish as well...control of upper body mass is an isosceles triangle. Your torso aka back is one leg of the triangle. Your arm drape is the second top leg of the triangle, and your 'base' of the triangle is from your sitbones to contact point with hands on the hoods.
    A wider base of this triangle best stabilizes force for the lower body aka applying force to the pedals. To me, your narrower base of the triangle introduces too much tension and stress in your body when laying down the watts. It is also less aerodynamic with the same level of drop compared to ba bit more reach. OMO. You can compare your riding position with many of the taller greats and of course Lance at 5'9" didn't ride much saddle to bar drop and rode a 58cm Madone with 130mm stem. In other words, he knew what he was doing. Don't have to go full superman aka George Hincapie early in his career, but a bit more reach I believe you may find more comfortable and likely a bit faster with same drop.
    On the spin to win front, genetics is big. For me, its no debate. As a senior rider, I can't keep up without spinning but my body type aka Chris Froome has always directed me this way.
    Lance mentioned previously of course, he won many TdF's with a spinning formula. Stark contract with Jan Ulrich who of course was born to mash. Genetics on some level is not to be denied but within the framework of neuromuscular coordination, I believe even more of a native masher can learn to spin a shorter gear faster...but tendency of a physically stronger man to turn a taller gear at lower RPM in my experience runs deep.
    Love your videos. Your goodness as a person comes through the camera lens.

  • @MangoJim90
    @MangoJim90 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I prefer both grinding and spinning my single speed 😅

  • @tomrachellesfirstdance7843
    @tomrachellesfirstdance7843 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have noticed as I am getting older I am lowering my cadence. If I spin 110 Froome style my heart rate is high 180s where if I keep little slower in the 90s I can keep it in the 150-160s. I have started doing intervals at low and fast cadence recently it's interesting.

  • @bikeanddogtrips
    @bikeanddogtrips 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tested this out myself yesterday afternoon during an online race - Bormio to Passo Stelvio. usually I will stay in the big ring for as long as possible as I find the low cadence comfortable. Yesterday I kept the small ring for around 95% of the ride - just a few brief semi flat parts when I changed over.
    The actual time and effort was a huge surprise (almost 30 mins PB from 4 weeks ago. Under an hour 18 mins (4th place) compared to almost an hour 47 mins previous). Also ended up with an FTP upgrade as well as all time 30 mins and 20 mins outputs.
    Obviously the race scenario played a part in the effort level, but last month I would have classed that climb as a hard effort so the cadence change did make a huge difference.
    20.79 km
    1:17:57
    1,483 m

  • @peterthomas8053
    @peterthomas8053 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I prefer to spin more, rather than grind. But my preffered cadence is usually 80-90. I do sometimes drop my cadence to 60-70 when I'm out on a leisurely ride with someone wo is generally a lot slower than myself. But they are still very enjoable rides at a lower cadence and pace. Great video Connor.👍

  • @turboseize
    @turboseize 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Spinning your legs uses energy, too. This energy does not propel the bike, it is wasted. How much energy is wasted is a direct function of the mass of the rider's legs. For a flyweight pro rider, the reduced muscular fatigue will be worth the metabolic and cardiovascular price. But normally-sized people? Whith actual legs instead of thin sticks? For us, the optimal cadence has to be lower.

  • @edb8120
    @edb8120 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When I was young, I was riding 100-120 all of the time.
    And that was with long (177.5) cranks.
    Needless to say, I can't do that anymore.

  • @damlitproductions8126
    @damlitproductions8126 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "DONT THINK" ,,'FEEEEEL',🤔
    Or Just Ride The Dam Thing,🧐
    the most comfortable speed is the most comfortable YOU, and your Style for the Win 🏆 💯 👌🏼

  • @greg6126
    @greg6126 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think of it like this, power is torque x RPM, Torque comes from force, from a higher % muscle utilisation, RPM uses less muscle, but faster.
    So for putting the "load" on the cardio system, and saving the muscles, spin. When you need to put the power down, drop the RPM a bit.

  • @leolongo9178
    @leolongo9178 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There’s a magic cross over point, when spinning too low your oxygen levels can’t keep up, and when you spin too fast, magically, the same thing happens. So the goal is to not cross over into either zone. The Goldilocks zone seems, to me, is to stay between 85 and 105 cadence.

  • @fenbops
    @fenbops 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I usually try to be in the highest gear possible at any moment, so I’d say I’m more of a grinder? Uphill is always a grind even in the lowest gear 😂

  • @MarkusFolkesson
    @MarkusFolkesson 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This subject is start to be coverd now and the answer is - it is personal and don't try to force yourself to a certain cadence. Go for what is natural.
    My baseline is to check my speed after gearing up. Is it going faster, my gear was to low. After over 20 years with deraileurs and about the same gaps between the gears I am pretty confident in it.

  • @Davidkaisermusic
    @Davidkaisermusic 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had to repeatedly remind myself when I started cycling to start slow and spin fast, especially on long climbs. So easy to burn all your matches quickly by grinding

  • @n22pdf
    @n22pdf 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I typically spin around 90s but good to also practice low cadence for when you really need it 😊 Pete 🚴🏻👍😊

  • @secretagent86
    @secretagent86 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good video. Just for me my preferred cadence is 82 … but i have to grind up hills like 50 rpm. Age 67 and heavy. When young and racer is still had to grind uphill. But could certainly spin ..race cadence about 90-100

  • @ahkyajh214
    @ahkyajh214 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There has to be some perspective, high cadence at what speed in what gearing vs low cadence in what gearing at the same particular speed to determine the difference over the 1hr period, with a 10 meter sprint at the end

  • @dorianmode4
    @dorianmode4 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Spinning a faster cadence definitely helps me. If I let my cadence drop on a group ride, I’ll fatigue early and get dropped. I also have short legs for my height, so it doesn’t take as much effort to move them fast.

  • @Nessunego
    @Nessunego 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Right cadence means an ideal power output with the lowest legs wear possible. Too high a cadence is better than too low a cadence for both acute and chronic legs wear.

  • @yamric
    @yamric 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When I started cycling in the 1980s, I was taught to spin at 100+ RPM. Your cardiovascular system will last longer than your muscles. It is second nature to spin at 100+ RPM and not even think about it. Unless it is a significant climb, then I drop down and grind.

  • @shaunroach7829
    @shaunroach7829 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a single speed rider my cadence can go from low to high depending the terrain!!! Never in the right gear so it spin and spin harder more power when the hills or elevation begins!!! Great video 👍as always!!!

  • @user-np5dh8cu9p
    @user-np5dh8cu9p 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Lower cadence at higher gear is better for me. What was the difference in how far Conor travelled at the two cadences over that time?

  • @oliverrch5370
    @oliverrch5370 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've tried both, mainly going up hills. With spinning, I hated it and was slow. With a normal cadence, still hated it, but was slightly less slow. Maybe I should work on my fitness a bit all things considered.

  • @rbonn3880
    @rbonn3880 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very interesting. I prefer lower cadence as it's very hilly around here and going uphill is bad enough without burning all your matches.

  • @thegearboxman
    @thegearboxman 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It obviously varies for each individual. There's a sweet spot, which I find to be 85-90, but a bigger rider with stronger legs I suspect will be lower. As a small (short) rider weighing 55kg I just don't have the leg strength to grind, so I rely on my aerobic capacity to spin. I'm the same with running, even at a jogging pace of 5:15m/km my cadence is 175+. I think if you're experienced at either cycling or running you will find your optimum without over thinking it. The body is pretty good at working out what's the most efficient way of moving.

  • @julianallen515
    @julianallen515 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When I was doing Ironman triathlons (I know, I know) I used a high cadence around 100 rpm. now that I just ride I have dialled in a lower cadence of around 85-95 rpm naturally. I find it the right balance of muscular and aerobic systems. That said my aerobic capacity has lowered as a result.

  • @QoraxAudio
    @QoraxAudio 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Spinning takes a bit less strength, a bit more endurance, the other way for grinding - in that sense it's a tradeoff.
    However, you can always train strength or endurance, but you can't train away worn out knees!
    So for me, spinning gets the preference.

  • @kurtismichie3621
    @kurtismichie3621 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel so much more comfortable doing a low cadence vs a high cadence. A high will leave me far more gassed. I prefer a cadence of ~90

  • @mommamooney
    @mommamooney 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My fitter told me to swap between the two. Often. Get tired doing higher cadence, switch to low, and back and forth

  • @neoneherefrom5836
    @neoneherefrom5836 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Ahhhh we are always guaranteed to see this topic once every a year.
    I wonder what new research has emerged…

  • @secretbrad9259
    @secretbrad9259 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve always struggled with high cadence…………come to think about it I’ve also always struggled with low cadence! 😂😂 great video Connor

  • @MarkSmithSa
    @MarkSmithSa 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Low cadence is known to increase injury to the knees. A commentator to this website a year ago or so noted that he is an automatic transmission engineer and that the ideal cadence is 88 +/- 8 rpm. I've certainly found that to the case and anything over 95 is uncomfortable after a few minutes so Connor had burned himself out after a full hour. His ideal cadence for an hour would see negligible drop off in performance.

  • @nickwoolf-ct1zp
    @nickwoolf-ct1zp 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I suspect the key is optimum cadence. Certainly my prefferred cadence is about 10 below optimum. Or at least from some rough checks i have done.

  • @Trissb1988--
    @Trissb1988-- 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was going up a long climb yesterday. I was in the easiest gear in the back and front and found myself moving my feet very fast. Thinking this is too easy, of course, about 10 miles into a 20-mile ride. Would have probably been more tired at the end of the ride if the front gear wasn't on the smallest ring.

  • @user-jv9kv3hc9r
    @user-jv9kv3hc9r 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Learning to utilize a high cadence and have definitely noticed less fatigue and faster hill climbs

  • @Oscaraha
    @Oscaraha 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Spinning is much better for my knees, and I often have a higher pace spinning than with heavier gearing.

  • @EatMyPropwash
    @EatMyPropwash 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh I’m a spin to win guy. Tri bike and road bike both, I’m constantly at 90+rpm, and it’s not uncommon for me to be at 97-103rpm, mid zone 2 power, 136bpm (upper z1 HR). Grinding can be hard in the knees depending how low the cadence is.

  • @ChrisGuarraia
    @ChrisGuarraia 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    6:31 What is that funnel locking structure in the background? A water tower?

  • @jimmythefish
    @jimmythefish 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    As I’m primarily a runner I find that spinning faster allows me to work at a higher heart rate and presumably go faster. Grinding feels more natural but my lack of power hurts my performance.

    • @Ed.R
      @Ed.R 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's interesting that a few have mentioned they are more runners than cyclists and have a high cadence on the bike. I guess runners legs have to contain more running muscles and so have less cycling muscles. The higher cadence is a way to compensate for less leg strength on the bike.

  • @gillbrown4077
    @gillbrown4077 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was always told spinning was better but by nature I'm a grinder.

  • @fartman10284
    @fartman10284 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m a spinner due to my exercise-induced-bronchospasms (asthma). It’s more survival than KOM for me

  • @davidcarino6500
    @davidcarino6500 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Since Zwift, I've gotten better with my RPM. My climbing has gotten better with 80 - 90 rpm. Too high my asthma flares up more. I don't go by watts heart rate and rpm.

  • @BostilCensurado
    @BostilCensurado 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Less than 2 hours ride, grind like there is no tomorrow
    More than 2 hours, spin and zone out

  • @rodrigofaria4498
    @rodrigofaria4498 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would've been interesting to see the kJ difference between the two rides, if there were any

  • @jameslee-pevenhull5087
    @jameslee-pevenhull5087 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Now listen.
    A person's muscles are continually developing. Inside the muscle fibres are myonuclei. These are replaced naturally at a rate of 1 - 2% of the muscle a week. After about 18 months, they have all been replaced. At each replacement, a 'slow' or 'fast' twitch is installed depending on the type of work the person does most.
    A cyclist who always spins will, over the course of 6 - 7 years, build muscles adapted to spinning. Suddenly changing to mashing will see the muscles turn to crap.
    The 'Take home' from this video is "Train in all regimes".
    Enter 10 mile time trials and vary the gearing each race. It is most important to train the Glutes by concentrating on hip extensions. The Glutes tire slowly.

  • @markowsley4954
    @markowsley4954 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My natural cadence is between 85 and 90. I select a gear that allows me to keep my breathing and heart rate where I want them. This is the reason I prefer 2x and 3x drivetrains as I can get my preferred cadence easier. I don't race anymore so honestly power numbers are useless to me I just like to ride for my enjoyment.

  • @illustrationmaking
    @illustrationmaking 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m intrigued: GCN training much of it is at 80 rpm (apart from a few videos). Why didn’t you choose to go higher …90 or 95 as a default? What I’ve found is I prefer that 80, and can get more power out for longer …. But I’m more grind at 80 than spin 95…. And that’s what the training has shown me

  • @johntrantos3931
    @johntrantos3931 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice orange shoes. Who makes them please?