I see contract negotiations are neither of their/your strong suits...? For this to carry weight, they needed to have this hearing 5 years ago...With only 1 1/2 years remaining, the leverage converts back to him. He knows this. Next December, he's released...
@@brentfarvors192 What leverage? There is no leverage it is what it is. Good time get him out in 1.5 years. He could have gotten out now with remorse. Tethered to parole Now he waits 1.5 years gets out free as the convicted felon that he is. Anything can happen in 1.5years.
I understand the woman’s job at the prison is to state what type of prisoner he is. You can state that without gushing on and on and on how FABULOUS you think he is. I mean, that was way over the top in my opinion. It gives me prison guard/prisoner “love” vibes. Creepy.
Mr Freeman is terrible I can't believe he's still on the board he would let the devil out of jail he's just as bad as both of the Wises in the last board.
Yeah, i rewatched based on ur comment, zoomed on her face. Her face didnt change at all till the da called bs. To keep that straight face, whatever that girl was thinking, she prob had a tough life.
I don't think she was humiliated. She obviously was on touch with DA and once DA started talking truth, daughter probably felt relief and that may have meant she was losing her stoic composure due to pent up pain and rage. That family and friends group will forever be in grief and the world is worse off for losing that woman.
Every time he lies, he sucks in his bottom lip!! His body language is completely telling! He's one of the type of criminals who if you see his lips moving he's lying!😂 I love love love the DA/victim's advocate!!! She is fantastic! I wish she would show up every hearing! What a true southern belle!😊
That includes the family of the victim(s). Many families have been known to even try to go after the killers of their loved ones so it not only is protecting the victims family, but also the defendant.
As soon as he said … “from what I remember “ I thought your full of crap. When an event changes your life so drastically you are gonna remember every single second. If he was as innocent as he says he’d be shouting it from the rooftops. 🤥
The idiot actually admitted to it. He said his friends were talking about “hitting a lick” While they were driving around which he knew what that was. Warden, I love this great man oh god I love him
And watching something makes you part of it too. That is why a live audience is participating on a classical orchestra performance, and "just watching" child pedo vids is still criminal sex abuse of a child, or knowing your partner was harming children and not reporting it because "family forgives/works it out" is a cps case on both parents. There are no "innocent bystanders" in life. - I heard a stat from a study done on how people acted durring sudden emergencies from non fatal incidents on planes. About 10% of people went into a type of shock and (froze) impeded emergency evacuation or aid bc they were in denial/arguing/hysterical yelling or crying, not following rules or directions. (Blocked aisles, grabbed luggage, denied emergency was real, argued with flight staff or those giving directions, tried to physically fight people or even shove ahead of people) About 10% of people (this excluded trained flight attendants) immediately jumped into action and took calm and decisive command, some angrily yelled directions or physically took control of the first 10%, but they all did something to direct others to safety, rendered or organized aid - they did something to try to help and they did it quickly. Sometimes, it was just repeating instructions from flight attendants, sometimes there was no flight attendant around and they just decided what best course of action was themselves/they spontaneously offered directions. The remaining 80% paused a bit longer before reacting but they reacted as more of a group (flight & fright) meaning they might have still been crying or hysterically screaming but they still took decisive actions to evacuate and often just followed whatever directions they were given. The study said that freeze group was the least likely to survive and could have actually contributed to injuries and deaths. The study never explained how many were deniers and gaslighters after the fact about what actually happened durring the plane emergency. I think there needs to be a 4th group to Fight, Flight, Freeze and add: (I am not sure which F word works the best) Furtive or Falsify or Fabricate or Fabilist or F-heads Adults who are unmotivated lollygaggers, or "to afraid" to report a crime they witnessed or learned of after they get to a safe place are just cowards. They tell themselves they are still good people and "just don't want to get involved in something that isn't their business" or maybe that they are "shy" and "don't want trouble" or "hate conflict" but they are still cowards. Cowards who are too cowardly to even confront themselves, who lie yo themselves everyday and everytime they look in a mirror or reflect on the type if person they are and who continue to do nothing to improve their own character because they think being a good person means helping s neighbor mow their lawn if carrying groceries or going to church.
Don't be fooled by the smooth talking bullcrap, it just shows some of these criminals are very good at talking/ manipulating whoever will listen. There's a reason he's where he is now
I dont know what you sre referring to but im just in the beginning of the video, victim is not only reserved for someone who was directly impacted by the crime, The families are victims too, no one need to touch them, say something to them, to make them a victim as well, might be the reason for them saying no contact, i might be wrong, im just a couple of minutes in as of writing this
Calm down and think about it for at least a minute. Do you understand that there are often other victims in a crime? Maybe, the family?? Her daughter??
Maybe I'm reading her reaction wrong, but his daughter logged off in frustration with the DA's words. Too bad the victim didn't have the luxury to escape her tragic end.
I wouldn't be so glad. This is "it"; Come next December, he's free, and clear. No parole, probation, or restrictions."Good time", is the same as time served with good behavior. If his parole were granted, he would be facing 2+ years of restricted probation (amd, everything that comes with it)
Talk about a complete twist. He's dangerous, he's very much capable of detaching himself from his actions and a person like that can easily get out and do it again.
Here's another classic case of the panel giving the inmate the script for when he goes up for his next hearing. He said that he was "immature" and "hanging out with WRONG CROWD", if I understood correctly. He was the oldest of the three and had coordinated everything. They ALL say that they take full accountability and consequences for their crime. The "consequences" is 30 years.
More like, another example of a severely overcrowded prison system. He's over his scheduled parole eligibility date, and they are releasing him next year regardless. They hate releasing them with time served, because it prevents ordering probation after release...They much rather grant parole, with all the restrictions that.come with it...While, also freeing up a bed for another inmate...
@@bryanrussell6679 Irrelevant. At this point they either accept his testimony as truth, or get over it...Can't say I blame him. If they wanted me to admit to something I didn't do in exchange for only 1 1/2/years, I would tell them to shove it, too...With this much short time remaining, the advantages of granting parole go to the state...2+ years of parole vs 1 1/2 years remaining. Not much of a "deal", if you ask me...
Sounds like he don’t know nothing about the crime. He really is trying to distant himself from the crime. But we all know he is right where he belongs.
It's funny how stupid people actually think. …somehow his mind believes what he was saying is somehow believable. I can understand a two yr old maybe believing this story is believable but not a grown man.
29:30 a Norinco MAK-90 is an imported copy of an AK-47. The 90 refers to the year it was introduced - which is important because it was created to comply with a 1989 import ban law by George Bush at.
Granny and PopPop need to go sit down somewhere, they seem completely gullible and disconnected. We need alert, engaged people serving on these boards.
Guy had 20 years to prepare and he tried pulling the Shawshank. The last hearing... this is why people need to watch who they date while on paper. That woman should be criminally charged for her false reporting.
The guys on the Louisiana board of parole have that heavy accent. It's so funny to me. Especially the guy on the left. He sounds like Foghorn Leghorn! "Son, I say, I say, there's something yahoo about that boy!" 😂
He took victim awareness? Her family will be victims for the rest of their lives. He obviously didn't learn anything from the program. If he was to be believed, and he wasn't by me or most of the board, and if he really had only minimal involvement, he would have been aware of the devastation this caused her family.
When his daughter checked out i knew it was a wrap 😢😢😢 poor child her dads been locked up her whole life shes embarrassed of his past as she should be whoever raised her did right she seems to be a compassionate women.
I want parole but I will use street nomenclature in an effort to get out of jail😂😂😂 I’m so glad my parents did Not allow that broken language at all. Let him languish in jail🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿
I also don't like when the board members don't ask the proper questions. If he has committed a sex offense, why not ask him if he's taken a sex offense class/program
"You sound like one fella that told me he was a victim of circumference, what he meant was circumstance" ???Lmaooo that's hilarious and a very clever professional way to call him a lying idiot without calling him a lying idiot! Bro should've rescheduled htis parole hearing with diff members like he offered.
The DA was great. He didn’t really answer questions. How could one of them vote yes after she spoke. They should just complete their sentences. No early releases.
One board member who voted to approve said with no contact with victim. Weren't you listening? The victim is DEAD.
Right lol maybe he meant family member😩
The victim probably being the woman's child whom she was going to make a birthday cake for.
Case #1. That was a fanciful lot of double talk attempting to act like he was the victim. Knew nothing!! Did nothing!! Just driving around…
Yea I was upset with that man wth 🤦🏻♀️
Really, is this criminal trying to distance himself after all these years of his guilty verdict. No parole for him.
Ms. Fitzgerald is not an ADA, she is the Director of the Victim Assistance Program from the DA’s office. And yes, she is awesome.
Either way, She ROCKS!!! (This was an extremely disturbing case.)
So glad the DA showed up for the victim and her family. He’s evil. Leave him in there.
20 yrs....all he had to do.
1. Be humble
2. Show remorse
3. Take accountability 4. Apologize
5. Have a plan for release
I see contract negotiations are neither of their/your strong suits...? For this to carry weight, they needed to have this hearing 5 years ago...With only 1 1/2 years remaining, the leverage converts back to him. He knows this. Next December, he's released...
@@brentfarvors192 What leverage? There is no leverage it is what it is. Good time get him out in 1.5 years. He could have gotten out now with remorse. Tethered to parole Now he waits 1.5 years gets out free as the convicted felon that he is. Anything can happen in 1.5years.
@@georgiafain3747 Time is leverage.
@@georgiafain3747 Yes. Anything can happen in 1.5 years. You could walk out, and get hit by lightning...
Right but he is still lying 20 years later
Over 20 years on 30 and he don't show remorse or take accountability for his part. Disgusting
I really thought he was innocent until the da said what he did shows how manipulative these cons are and good talkers
The sky acting Innocent but he was involved on
I knew he wasn't innocent but had no idea it was that bad.
I wouldn't say he's a "good talker" lol
But he is manipulative.
Thats show how naive and easy to fool you are.
Grow up
Do you believe pan handlers too? Sucker…😂
I understand the woman’s job at the prison is to state what type of prisoner he is. You can state that without gushing on and on and on how FABULOUS you think he is. I mean, that was way over the top in my opinion. It gives me prison guard/prisoner “love” vibes. Creepy.
You would think they would have bullet points to talk through. She was all over the place.
Mr Freeman is terrible I can't believe he's still on the board he would let the devil out of jail he's just as bad as both of the Wises in the last board.
He's got the power to let many of these animals free, that's scary.
The way his daughter wouldn’t speak at all, and dropped off the call after the DA told truth. SMH. She had to be humiliated
Yeah, i rewatched based on ur comment, zoomed on her face. Her face didnt change at all till the da called bs. To keep that straight face, whatever that girl was thinking, she prob had a tough life.
She said she wrote a letter. She has every damn right to decide whether to speak or not.
I don't think she was humiliated. She obviously was on touch with DA and once DA started talking truth, daughter probably felt relief and that may have meant she was losing her stoic composure due to pent up pain and rage. That family and friends group will forever be in grief and the world is worse off for losing that woman.
Every time he lies, he sucks in his bottom lip!! His body language is completely telling! He's one of the type of criminals who if you see his lips moving he's lying!😂 I love love love the DA/victim's advocate!!! She is fantastic! I wish she would show up every hearing! What a true southern belle!😊
Thanks for mentioning this - I’m absolutely rubbish at reading peoples body language but I find it so interesting.
Yes, Love the DA/Victim's Advocate! I can easily hear her say, "Why, Bless Your Heart!" 🥰
I stand with the DA. Bro needs to do his time. No remorse whatsoever.
He's truly in denial , believing all he did was drive.😳
No contact with the victim? Dude!! They took her life!omg!! How old are these people on the board?!
So embarrassing!😳
That includes the family of the victim(s). Many families have been known to even try to go after the killers of their loved ones so it not only is protecting the victims family, but also the defendant.
Too old to be on it obviously
"the raping and all that..." FOH!!!
I don’t care if you had no idea, you know what happen to this woman and you could care less . Cockroach 2.0
As soon as he said … “from what I remember “ I thought your full of crap.
When an event changes your life so drastically you are gonna remember every single second.
If he was as innocent as he says he’d be shouting it from the rooftops. 🤥
Thank you! Well Stated!
Interesting that he can't remember what happened in his own case but the DA does. Funny how that works.
AND SHERYL JUST WANTS A PIECE OF HIS BIG BLACK COUNTRY SAUSAGE… 😂😂😂 WHEN SHE SAID’ HES WORKIN IN THE CANTEEN’…….. i LOST IT🤣🤣🤣🤣🥴🤓
Thought I was the only one who caught that😂
He sounds so dumb and dangerous please ihope they keep him in prison
Exactly, I'm wondering if writing a letter to the parole board would make any difference? Just typing out loud here.
That's wild that after hearing the details of that case, how you can still think he should be paroled. Na, you got to sit that whole ride out.
Thank goodness the DA came with receipts
Did you see the daughter turn her camera off?😂
Wouldn't even speak on his behalf. Smart girl.
And the way that he & the DA looked at each other before the feed turned off..
All those years and he’s lying more than day one.
Man, that was brutal...monsters just pure evil
The idiot actually admitted to it. He said his friends were talking about “hitting a lick” While they were driving around which he knew what that was. Warden, I love this great man oh god I love him
I just screamed that you heard your friends talking about "hitting a lick" and didn't know what they were talking about? yeah right.
26:07.... No contact with the victim... The victim died in the crime... Was he not listening at all????
I think he threw that in like everyone gets participation trophies type thing. He's doin that 30 to the door either way, as he should fr!
That's what I said... the details are too graphic to repeat. I can imagine she was terrified. GOD BLESS THIS WOMAN AND HER FAMILY
That's what I wrote too.
Often, they also mean that the convicted can't have contact with the victims family. I think he worded it incorrectly.
Agreed. This may refer to Family and Friends of Vicki McGraw, too.
no remorse whatsoever
Thank you Leone for keeping it real. Horrific. I’m really scared for the community he will be eventually released in.
He had no disciplinary writeups at *that* prison. He'd only been there for four years according to the CO There.
I will never understand when people say that they were hanging with the wrong crowd. When you're with the the music group, you're apart of that group.
And watching something makes you part of it too. That is why a live audience is participating on a classical orchestra performance, and "just watching" child pedo vids is still criminal sex abuse of a child, or knowing your partner was harming children and not reporting it because "family forgives/works it out" is a cps case on both parents. There are no "innocent bystanders" in life. -
I heard a stat from a study done on how people acted durring sudden emergencies from non fatal incidents on planes. About 10% of people went into a type of shock and (froze) impeded emergency evacuation or aid bc they were in denial/arguing/hysterical yelling or crying, not following rules or directions. (Blocked aisles, grabbed luggage, denied emergency was real, argued with flight staff or those giving directions, tried to physically fight people or even shove ahead of people)
About 10% of people (this excluded trained flight attendants) immediately jumped into action and took calm and decisive command, some angrily yelled directions or physically took control of the first 10%, but they all did something to direct others to safety, rendered or organized aid - they did something to try to help and they did it quickly. Sometimes, it was just repeating instructions from flight attendants, sometimes there was no flight attendant around and they just decided what best course of action was themselves/they spontaneously offered directions.
The remaining 80% paused a bit longer before reacting but they reacted as more of a group (flight & fright) meaning they might have still been crying or hysterically screaming but they still took decisive actions to evacuate and often just followed whatever directions they were given. The study said that freeze group was the least likely to survive and could have actually contributed to injuries and deaths.
The study never explained how many were deniers and gaslighters after the fact about what actually happened durring the plane emergency. I think there needs to be a 4th group to Fight, Flight, Freeze and add: (I am not sure which F word works the best) Furtive or Falsify or Fabricate or Fabilist or F-heads
Adults who are unmotivated lollygaggers, or "to afraid" to report a crime they witnessed or learned of after they get to a safe place are just cowards. They tell themselves they are still good people and "just don't want to get involved in something that isn't their business" or maybe that they are "shy" and "don't want trouble" or "hate conflict" but they are still cowards. Cowards who are too cowardly to even confront themselves, who lie yo themselves everyday and everytime they look in a mirror or reflect on the type if person they are and who continue to do nothing to improve their own character because they think being a good person means helping s neighbor mow their lawn if carrying groceries or going to church.
Victim of circumference. Oh my god, that is so funny. He remembers everything except what's important. Liar. He got mad at that lady
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They should have made him SAY HER NAME!!!! Her name is Vicki McGraw!!!
He just stating what everyone else did and he’s innocent 🤔🧐
Don't be fooled by the smooth talking bullcrap, it just shows some of these criminals are very good at talking/ manipulating whoever will listen. There's a reason he's where he is now
The victim is DEAD (WTF, NO CONTACT) SHE IS DEAD!!!!!!
Right 😂
I dont know what you sre referring to but im just in the beginning of the video, victim is not only reserved for someone who was directly impacted by the crime,
The families are victims too, no one need to touch them, say something to them, to make them a victim as well, might be the reason for them saying no contact, i might be wrong, im just a couple of minutes in as of writing this
@DetroitRockin just incredibly horrifying
Calm down and think about it for at least a minute.
Do you understand that there are often other victims in a crime?
Maybe, the family?? Her daughter??
This guy is not remorseful or accountable. He'll be back in prison again.
Thank God for Leone Fitzgerald.
May he never be released.
That lady working there needs to be fired... She showed her corruption as soon as she thought the camera was off.
Maybe I'm reading her reaction wrong, but his daughter logged off in frustration with the DA's words. Too bad the victim didn't have the luxury to escape her tragic end.
EXACTLY.
My dear god this is horrifying that poor woman
31:20 he was so cold, glad he’s behind bars for a bit longer tbh 😖
I wouldn't be so glad. This is "it"; Come next December, he's free, and clear. No parole, probation, or restrictions."Good time", is the same as time served with good behavior. If his parole were granted, he would be facing 2+ years of restricted probation (amd, everything that comes with it)
@@brentfarvors192 good point, he’ll probably get arrested again though…
Why is a prison guard speaking 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
Talk about a complete twist. He's dangerous, he's very much capable of detaching himself from his actions and a person like that can easily get out and do it again.
Here's another classic case of the panel giving the inmate the script for when he goes up for his next hearing. He said that he was "immature" and "hanging out with WRONG CROWD", if I understood correctly. He was the oldest of the three and had coordinated everything. They ALL say that they take full accountability and consequences for their crime. The "consequences" is 30 years.
Yup he’s going to know exactly how to act and what to say next time.
More like, another example of a severely overcrowded prison system. He's over his scheduled parole eligibility date, and they are releasing him next year regardless. They hate releasing them with time served, because it prevents ordering probation after release...They much rather grant parole, with all the restrictions that.come with it...While, also freeing up a bed for another inmate...
Judge Boyd says if the other people involved in the crime were speaking they’d call you the bad crowd!😜
They still don’t understand that taking responsibility/accountability means you don’t deny being involved in the crime in the next sentence.
@@bryanrussell6679 Irrelevant. At this point they either accept his testimony as truth, or get over it...Can't say I blame him. If they wanted me to admit to something I didn't do in exchange for only 1 1/2/years, I would tell them to shove it, too...With this much short time remaining, the advantages of granting parole go to the state...2+ years of parole vs 1 1/2 years remaining. Not much of a "deal", if you ask me...
Sounds like he don’t know nothing about the crime. He really is trying to distant himself from the crime. But we all know he is right where he belongs.
Wowww, just wow.
The daughter was maaaadddd
"Victim of circumference"
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😮
What is this total disregard for another persons dignity and life. Where did this anger come from? What triggered this
Looking forward to the live stream tonight ❤.
I have been binge watching Mandoo videos for the past 12 hours on my TV TH-cam.
niceeeeeee. See you soon :)
Mandoo is ruining my sleep,...I intend to sue,..as soon as this live stream ends..😊
She came right in and busted his bubble he thought he had it made it's sad what they did to her
Where Mandoo started saying it was brutal, and he stopped reading...it said dna swabs were pos for his dna. And he was worried about his momma. 🙄
It's funny how stupid people actually think. …somehow his mind believes what he was saying is somehow believable. I can understand a two yr old maybe believing this story is believable but not a grown man.
29:30 a Norinco MAK-90 is an imported copy of an AK-47. The 90 refers to the year it was introduced - which is important because it was created to comply with a 1989 import ban law by George Bush at.
Thank you sir. I appreciate my experts here.
Ok Nancy Grace of Louisiana (great job)
Haha! Yes!
Granny and PopPop need to go sit down somewhere, they seem completely gullible and disconnected. We need alert, engaged people serving on these boards.
And the Oscar goes to the biggest liar in the room
How can he have no contact with the victim when she is dead? Pay attention board!!
Thanks!
Welcome! 🤗
These board members are pitiful...
Isn’t it odd that a man on a parole board is named “freeman”
Please understand that the jail staff gushed over him cause she has to be in close proximity to him for possibly the next decade.
The way he speaks. They must just give motivational speaking certificates out to whoever shows up.
Guy had 20 years to prepare and he tried pulling the Shawshank.
The last hearing... this is why people need to watch who they date while on paper. That woman should be criminally charged for her false reporting.
This first guy is 100% lying!!! All this time spent do nothing and he couldn't come up with a better story!
The guys on the Louisiana board of parole have that heavy accent.
It's so funny to me.
Especially the guy on the left. He sounds like Foghorn Leghorn!
"Son, I say, I say, there's something yahoo about that boy!" 😂
2nd dude. He look like Rog from "What's Happening" (just aged myself) 😂
He doo😂
And there was nothing wrong with Ernest Thomas! He was a great actor and very nice looking.
@@d_roi8689 yes he was
He took victim awareness? Her family will be victims for the rest of their lives. He obviously didn't learn anything from the program. If he was to be believed, and he wasn't by me or most of the board, and if he really had only minimal involvement, he would have been aware of the devastation this caused her family.
He didn't want to say the name "Cross Lake" because he has a demon in him still
Bring the originals back !!!!
man I've got to catch a live. because i have so much to say!!
ITS SAFE TO SAY HE LIE’N THRU HIS TEEF🥴..😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂😂😂😂🤣
Ms Wise, how is it "rare " for it to be a first attempt ?! Is it not a first time for everything? Break that down for me!
District attorney ❤
The second guy got turned out in prison, n dats good, so he can feel wat his cousin felt
When his daughter checked out i knew it was a wrap 😢😢😢 poor child her dads been locked up her whole life shes embarrassed of his past as she should be whoever raised her did right she seems to be a compassionate women.
I wouldn’t have showed up or wrote a letter on his behalf, she obviously supports her dad. But seems to scared or shy to speak.
He laughs inappropriately
He doesn't care
Leave him there w the gushy blonde
You don't know that man heart and the board don't either. Ged, why did he need that plenty of ppl work without diplomas.
Sister is beautiful seriously
We wuz just dravin roun ...goin to a potty...we took my cor en leff,etc, etc, etc
He was prepared to bs them an it didn't work
I surely hope his ex GF gets charged w/ filling a false report.
He has no remorse.
39:41 That's LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE they're saying it was a just and fair sentencing
Thanks...Mandoo.😊.
Ashley needs to go to Jail! She just admitted that she lied to get him in trouble!!
I want parole but I will use street nomenclature in an effort to get out of jail😂😂😂
I’m so glad my parents did Not allow that broken language at all.
Let him languish in jail🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿
Mandoo, I renewed my membership 😀
awww yay!
Progrums..
I also don't like when the board members don't ask the proper questions. If he has committed a sex offense, why not ask him if he's taken a sex offense class/program
He is a victim of circumference 😢😢😢
All correctional facilities should have SOTP in al 50 states
Why aren't these crimes considered hate crimes?
👀 I did not see that coming, although… 🤔
Hate crimes are statutorily defined enhancements not just a personal opinion.
Because the victim was white. If she was black and the car jackers were white...
No parole.
Ever
Sad but true❤
One that voted for him needs take Cook woman visit the girls family they lost a Daughter
Daughter wrote a letter? Girl, you're on the call. Make your pleas now 🤡 lol First time I’ve seen this happen
I’m Thu king the same things. Why did they plan out something like this? I don’t understand
I looked for the link to the document in the description and in the comments but I didn't see it
"You sound like one fella that told me he was a victim of circumference, what he meant was circumstance"
???Lmaooo that's hilarious and a very clever professional way to call him a lying idiot without calling him a lying idiot!
Bro should've rescheduled htis parole hearing with diff members like he offered.
Look at did gave when the warden said he needs a sex offenders class
The people on State of Loueezy-ana need to revamp their system
That DA looks like Karen from Will & Grace 😂
ok the 2nd guy looks and sounds like he got "graped" while locked up
The DA was great. He didn’t really answer questions. How could one of them vote yes after she spoke. They should just complete their sentences. No early releases.
Does he have his GED now!!! I’m here for the shade honey!!!!