I have flown this plane for the past 4 years with varying degrees of success (nothing serious - yet). Your landing attempt was typical for a large heavy plane without enough speed. As speed drops, the tail drops, and the plane wallows nose high until it stalls. The best scenario for landing this plane is full flaps, 10kts of wind down the runway, and keeping the nose below the tail (i.e. descending) have at least 20% throttle until you are one foot off the runway. When there is no wind, the landing speed will be faster than most people are comfortable with so they try to “float in”, or flair too soon. In other words , it is the old saying “you have to fly warbirds to the ground”. Of course this is just my opinion.
I'm always sad to see a plane crash and this was a beautiful plane. Its not a nice feeling when this happens but we all have to learn from our mistakes. Keep going, this is a great hobby.
Cross-wind landings can be rough. You let the plane weather vane into the wind. A little right rudder on the approach would have allowed you to line up with the runway and set it down.
Ok Dan 1 : I fly a P-51 TF with zdz 60. You need to fly the plane not cut the throttle at landing. 2: with a X wind you need to slip all the way down. This slows and keeps directional control. Sorry but you had no control of the plane at Landing. You need to practice landing and not dive to final but be slow and deliberate . Use mixing to get nose up elevator for landing config. Good luck I have lost on P 51 so no worries it all part of the fun.
WOW and WOW !! hope your pilot has good health insurance...haha great video...good luck on your next flight. nice you can smile and "pick up the pieces", NEVER GIVE UP...what a great hobby can't wait for the next video...photographer did a great job
Looked like a great flyer and you did a nice job building it. Here is my two cents worth, when come in to land always turn away from the pit area to make a retry. You where blessed not to have hit someone. Now shake it off and try again. Thank you for sharing your video.
Throttle and rudder control needs work. Assume, some rudder correction will be needed on landing, repeat to yourself, right is away from me, left is towards me if it is. Set up for landing and avoid excess aileron input, ailerons to keep wings level. Develop a sense of where the plane is heading in pitch, yaw and roll, before you run out of options. Watch some full scale videos on the topic. Sad. BTW, when you stall most large gas warbirds with acceptable wing loading will snap, they don't mush, it's part of their wing design. Also crosswind , unless you're flying in a hurricane don't push you, they cause weather-vaning, yaw, the plane turns into the direction of the wind. You may decide upon landing to shift your approach a little translated away from the wind so you can approach a little more directly into the wind, or crab or slip while remaining over the runway. Either way a final rudder input is necessary to line the plane with forward direction so as not to stress the gear. Unless your field is so large or has a cross wind runway alternative.
Man I feel your pain. I've lost a couple of new plane's in the last month or so it hurts Expensive lessons in this Hobby. Build a new project and move on brother.
No need to be scared. All planes have expiration dates. Learn to fly on a simulator, then with an instructor and you'll be fine. You'll have crashes but you'll learn, which is a huge part of what this hobby is about. People will help you at a local club and there are tons of places for help on the web.
RIP plane. I've learned a bit about flying. Would've loved to hear about the plane model. Btw Brad did a great job filming. You two were meant to meet that day! Hope you two exchanged numbers.
Oh my goodness, what a beautiful plane! A sad loss indeed :( Well done on an inspirational build. I Love it. Build, Fly, Crash Repeat! ! +1 sub Dan, Bravo!
I think your second approach is good. A little bit of maneuver will be suffice to touch it down. Cross wind is the cause of the crash. It make you think the plane is comming towards you and the camera man.
I'm not going to play "armchair pilot" on this one. It's too easy to second quess ourselves to a nervous beakdown. It happens. don't beat yourself up. Build another plane.
Totally agree, trying to help Dan is,like pulling teeth. He's got more excuses than Carter has little 💊. Clearly used aileron, and incorrect aileron to boot, and not rudder.
Hello Guys, This is a new hobby for me and not having much experience I have crashed my fare share already. I retired from dirt racing over 30 years and what I have learned already flying RC it's hand eye control and it still happens. Just like racing fix it, replace it and don't give in. Looking back afterwards thinking about the money I spent did hurt but wouldn't trade for the world. Just like racing the stress of crashing is what give me that hi and I'm definitly hooked. Good luck next time, you will get your MOJO back.
Thank you. I would highly recommend getting a flight simulator like RealFlight 7.5 (before Horizon Hobby bought it and changed the planes). It's much cheaper and quicker to learn than fixing or replacing planes each time. It also fun to do things like combat with other people! If you have a club close by, I'm sure someone would take you up on the buddy box and make sure you have a good beginner airplane. Good luck!
As a pilot of manned airplanes you had a classic approach stall. I wasn’t there but from what I see in the video a little power and right rudder would have brought you back on center line. The mistake most pilots make in this situation is adding too much power and using the ailerons instead of the rudder to “level the wings” kicking the tail with the rudder would start the correction and some aileron to level the wings. Glad you weren’t in it.
I think you should of taken your flaps up on your approach and landed the 2nd time around it’s a fast plane so you half to keep up speed. I think you panicked when it came at you and that’s were it all went crazy. 😢
It certainly wasn’t a top stall. If you are flying cross wind. You need to fly with increased speed. If your airspeed drops the solution is never bang open the throttle as you introduce a torque element. But it is easy to be wise after the effect. Basically set up for a cross wind landing when you enter the pattern. Get a plane you do not mind damaging and learn the art as it requires a different feel.
I dont think crosswind was your problem as some have stated. It looks like you did not correct your left wing drop quick enough. By the time you did correct it, the plane was aimed 30 degrees left of centerline, you added power for the go around and it went where it was pointed, plain and simple. Sucks...looks like it was a nice plane. Holding right rudder wont help at all if you dont keep the wings level.
Rudder Rudder Rudder. Low and slow spin accidents are common in General aviation. You try and fix the drop with ailerons. They make it worse with drag. Nose down opposite rudder. Watch some GA stuff. The Finer points is great. They are still planes. The physics are the same.
Due to my bad approach, I was using both rudder & ailerons but once the left wing dipped, I tried to correct with ailerons. I had the wherewithal to go around a couple times previously but when it was coming at the camera man, me and the telephone poles, I choked and did what I did. I keep kicking myself for that. Grrrr!
Hard to check now, but C/G is off. On my 47 TF there’s almost no difference between rates. Elevator deflection is only enough for flair for a possible dead stick. The number one rule applies ( too much ailerons get you in trouble and the elevator Finnish’s you off ). There’s one thing I do with the flaps, instead of flap system and three position switch I use a slider switch tied to flight mode’s or conditions. In strong winds I can dial in just the right amount of flap. Lastly on all my warbirds, they cost so much, I have Aura gyros . It’s Not Cheating!! NWR.
Hi Dan I've given you a thumbs down cause it's such a bummer this beautiful machine didn't quite land well...... everything was looking good for a nice touch down...... Good on your optomizim 😁😎
Yeah, I keep kicking myself that I didn't go right. I guess it's so ingrained to pull up on emergency, I probably did it out of habit besides the immediate ”oh no” panic feeling.
I have flown this plane for the past 4 years with varying degrees of success (nothing serious - yet). Your landing attempt was typical for a large heavy plane without enough speed. As speed drops, the tail drops, and the plane wallows nose high until it stalls. The best scenario for landing this plane is full flaps, 10kts of wind down the runway, and keeping the nose below the tail (i.e. descending) have at least 20% throttle until you are one foot off the runway. When there is no wind, the landing speed will be faster than most people are comfortable with so they try to “float in”, or flair too soon. In other words , it is the old saying “you have to fly warbirds to the ground”. Of course this is just my opinion.
Good thoughts, thank you!
Oh my goodness, so sorry for the loss of a nice plane
A tough loss Dan. Damn!! Good luck with the rebuild or your next plane. Take care....
Tx Ken. Got some replacements coming.
I'm always sad to see a plane crash and this was a beautiful plane. Its not a nice feeling when this happens but we all have to learn from our mistakes. Keep going, this is a great hobby.
Thank you. It still hurts :(
Cross-wind landings can be rough. You let the plane weather vane into the wind. A little right rudder on the approach would have allowed you to line up with the runway and set it down.
Did you notice the wind sock ? Almost dead calm.
I too was reaching for right rudder. Even on the go around, power and flying that right rudder probably would have kept it from tipping over. 😢
Ok Dan
1 : I fly a P-51 TF with zdz 60. You need to fly the plane not cut the throttle at landing.
2: with a X wind you need to slip all the way down. This slows and keeps directional control.
Sorry but you had no control of the plane at Landing. You need to practice landing and not dive to final but be slow and deliberate . Use mixing to get nose up elevator for landing config.
Good luck I have lost on P 51 so no worries it all part of the fun.
Good points, thank you
WOW and WOW !! hope your pilot has good health insurance...haha
great video...good luck on your next flight. nice you can smile and "pick up the pieces",
NEVER GIVE UP...what a great hobby can't wait for the next video...photographer did a great job
Looked like a great flyer and you did a nice job building it. Here is my two cents worth, when come in to land always turn away from the pit area to make a retry. You where blessed not to have hit someone. Now shake it off and try again. Thank you for sharing your video.
Throttle and rudder control needs work. Assume, some rudder correction will be needed on landing, repeat to yourself, right is away from me, left is towards me if it is. Set up for landing and avoid excess aileron input, ailerons to keep wings level. Develop a sense of where the plane is heading in pitch, yaw and roll, before you run out of options. Watch some full scale videos on the topic. Sad. BTW, when you stall most large gas warbirds with acceptable wing loading will snap, they don't mush, it's part of their wing design. Also crosswind , unless you're flying in a hurricane don't push you, they cause weather-vaning, yaw, the plane turns into the direction of the wind. You may decide upon landing to shift your approach a little translated away from the wind so you can approach a little more directly into the wind, or crab or slip while remaining over the runway. Either way a final rudder input is necessary to line the plane with forward direction so as not to stress the gear. Unless your field is so large or has a cross wind runway alternative.
Say rudder rudder rudder.
I am sorry, It is typical stall, thanks your video!
It seemed to be crabbing sideways, at lower speeds, just before the crash. Is the rudder trim a bit off center? Wind?
Man I feel your pain. I've lost a couple of new plane's in the last month or so it hurts Expensive lessons in this Hobby. Build a new project and move on brother.
Sorry for your loss. Do like the rest of us and get another one if you can't repair it
Noooooooo that's so sad, sorry for you Dan, I want to start the hobby but I'm scared of accidents.
No need to be scared. All planes have expiration dates. Learn to fly on a simulator, then with an instructor and you'll be fine. You'll have crashes but you'll learn, which is a huge part of what this hobby is about. People will help you at a local club and there are tons of places for help on the web.
@@dansplanes4112 yes, I will start with a little airplane, but my objective is the Durafly Bf109, bellissimo!
Have watched a few videos, and this looks like a cool but expensive hobby!
That's a very sad day! You were hauling butt on those passes!! Sad but epic crash! 👍 🤙
Heh, yeah she could cruise. I keep telling myself they all have expiration dates but, I still really miss her.
RIP plane. I've learned a bit about flying. Would've loved to hear about the plane model. Btw Brad did a great job filming. You two were meant to meet that day! Hope you two exchanged numbers.
Oops!! 😬 My condolences...
Oh my goodness, what a beautiful plane! A sad loss indeed :( Well done on an inspirational build. I Love it. Build, Fly, Crash Repeat! ! +1 sub Dan, Bravo!
Thank you!
The plot twist at the end was a bit more then I thought it would be. Sorry about your plane.
I think your second approach is good. A little bit of maneuver will be suffice to touch it down. Cross wind is the cause of the crash. It make you think the plane is comming towards you and the camera man.
I'm not going to play "armchair pilot" on this one. It's too easy to second quess ourselves to a nervous beakdown. It happens. don't beat yourself up. Build another plane.
And this kids is why you don't fly planes beyond your skill level.
Totally agree, trying to help Dan is,like pulling teeth. He's got more excuses than Carter has little 💊. Clearly used aileron, and incorrect aileron to boot, and not rudder.
Hello Guys, This is a new hobby for me and not having much experience I have crashed my fare share already. I retired from dirt racing over 30 years and what I have learned already flying RC it's hand eye control and it still happens. Just like racing fix it, replace it and don't give in. Looking back afterwards thinking about the money I spent did hurt but wouldn't trade for the world. Just like racing the stress of crashing is what give me that hi and I'm definitly hooked. Good luck next time, you will get your MOJO back.
Thank you. I would highly recommend getting a flight simulator like RealFlight 7.5 (before Horizon Hobby bought it and changed the planes). It's much cheaper and quicker to learn than fixing or replacing planes each time. It also fun to do things like combat with other people! If you have a club close by, I'm sure someone would take you up on the buddy box and make sure you have a good beginner airplane. Good luck!
As a pilot of manned airplanes you had a classic approach stall. I wasn’t there but from what I see in the video a little power and right rudder would have brought you back on center line. The mistake most pilots make in this situation is adding too much power and using the ailerons instead of the rudder to “level the wings” kicking the tail with the rudder would start the correction and some aileron to level the wings. Glad you weren’t in it.
Me too! lol. I agree, it was a stall. Painful lesson to learn.
I think you should of taken your flaps up on your approach and landed the 2nd time around it’s a fast plane so you half to keep up speed. I think you panicked when it came at you and that’s were it all went crazy. 😢
I agree :(
It needs years of flying scale planes looking real , how long are you flying Rc planes ?
Off and on, 20+ years. I flew about a half dozen times in the last 3-4 years and I got back to flying in 2022.
As soon as I saw that P47 I thought to myself "not that beauty"? Then I saw it takeoff majestically into the sky.............ouch!
Usar sempre a deriva!!!!!!!!!
Were the flaps down on that approach? Looked like a tip stall just as you started the round out on landing. Thanks for sharing the hard lessons, too.
Yeah, flaps were down. A rookie mistake with the wind that day.
The classic answer it tip stalled ! No it didn’t
It certainly wasn’t a top stall. If you are flying cross wind. You need to fly with increased speed.
If your airspeed drops the solution is never bang open the throttle as you introduce a torque element.
But it is easy to be wise after the effect.
Basically set up for a cross wind landing when you enter the pattern.
Get a plane you do not mind damaging and learn the art as it requires a different feel.
I dont think crosswind was your problem as some have stated. It looks like you did not correct your left wing drop quick enough. By the time you did correct it, the plane was aimed 30 degrees left of centerline, you added power for the go around and it went where it was pointed, plain and simple. Sucks...looks like it was a nice plane. Holding right rudder wont help at all if you dont keep the wings level.
That wasn't a "wing drop" that was an incorrect left aileron input, rather a right rudder.
Definitely need to work on crosswind landings. Rudder, rudder, rudder.
Rudder Rudder Rudder. Low and slow spin accidents are common in General aviation. You try and fix the drop with ailerons. They make it worse with drag. Nose down opposite rudder. Watch some GA stuff. The Finer points is great. They are still planes. The physics are the same.
Due to my bad approach, I was using both rudder & ailerons but once the left wing dipped, I tried to correct with ailerons. I had the wherewithal to go around a couple times previously but when it was coming at the camera man, me and the telephone poles, I choked and did what I did. I keep kicking myself for that. Grrrr!
Oof, sorry about the jug. Could have been worse, though. At least it missed the car!
With a warbird you have to keep the speed up when landing. It looked like a stall to me. Sorry you lost the plane.
Thank you
Best stick to high wing trainers!
Looks to have balloning a bit on landin maybe elevator mix down with flap
Beautiful new toy one minute nothing the next that’s RC planes. One important caveat you weren’t in it!
Hard to check now, but C/G is off. On my 47 TF there’s almost no difference between rates. Elevator deflection is only enough for flair for a possible dead stick. The number one rule applies ( too much ailerons get you in trouble and the elevator Finnish’s you off ).
There’s one thing I do with the flaps, instead of flap system and three position switch I use a slider switch tied to flight mode’s or conditions. In strong winds I can dial in just the right amount of flap.
Lastly on all my warbirds, they cost so much, I have Aura gyros . It’s Not Cheating!!
NWR.
Good thoughts!
CG. Tail heavy
should have done more rudder and kept the same engine speed
Hi Dan I've given you a thumbs down cause it's such a bummer this beautiful machine didn't quite land well...... everything was looking good for a nice touch down...... Good on your optomizim 😁😎
Warbird low speed = stall, nice try to recover but should of slapped it on the ground in the final run
Easy to say when your not flying but
Yeah, I keep kicking myself that I didn't go right. I guess it's so ingrained to pull up on emergency, I probably did it out of habit besides the immediate ”oh no” panic feeling.
@@dansplanes4112 those feelings are why I fly planes and not rc cars etc 👍
Keep the videos coming mate 👍
😢
i have watch many time the video i would do the same landin
That's what happens when you use Spekjunk
this plane issue stall…
Fly in an area with no trees.
Sorry man that really stinks....