How anti-theft tags work - magnetostriction

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  • Anti-theft tags contain a tiny mechanical oscillator that is activated by a magnetic field. The detectors at a shop's doorway can detect the oscillation magnetically. The tag can be activated and deactivated by magnetizing or demagnetizing it, respectively.
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  • @alinstoi
    @alinstoi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    After watching this video I got a notification: "Your shoplifting skill increased to 21!" Nice.

    • @orti1283
      @orti1283 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I guess we should be carrying a strong magnet everywhere hahahah

    • @savagewaygames9365
      @savagewaygames9365 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@orti1283 u obviously didn’t watch video u carry a magnet u ain’t stealing shit but ur own freedom

    • @cutbyghost5918
      @cutbyghost5918 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @DustinRodriguez1_0
    @DustinRodriguez1_0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +161

    Your use of the CD tracks to measure the movement was brilliant! I loved that. Great video overall, although I would have liked at least one close-up shot of the strips near the beginning. I'm sure they're basically featureless, but when you first took them out and were handling them I found myself wishing you would show a good macro shot of them.

  • @KamikazeKow1234
    @KamikazeKow1234 8 ปีที่แล้ว +445

    Wow this looks fantastic. One tip, when demonstrating objects as small as these, a closer camera angle would be great!

    • @dave_dennis
      @dave_dennis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I had to stop watching. Too frustrating trying to make this out. The traces on the O’scope were also too difficult to see.

    • @thosvonyoder3805
      @thosvonyoder3805 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Need some closeup views.

    • @Niosus
      @Niosus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This desperately needs close ups. Even if they are not live, just record the close up separately and overlay that video while you are explaining things.

    • @bartholomewbilby1333
      @bartholomewbilby1333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for explaining how these little buggers work!
      Even just a little closer on the whole video. Do we really need to see the wired and how it is hooked up after you are done explaining the setup? Having the oscilloscope square and straight to the camera would make a difference too.
      Great video Content! Keep it up!

    • @thetruthexperiment
      @thetruthexperiment 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I guess he listened!

  • @RenegadeFury
    @RenegadeFury 8 ปีที่แล้ว +469

    The lever solution is genius

    • @Nehmo
      @Nehmo 8 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      +Barack Lasagna | Why not use a small mirror lever and have it deflect a laser? You see the results on the wall where the beam hits. You wouldn't even need a microscope.

    • @alfredoespinozapelayo2645
      @alfredoespinozapelayo2645 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      +Nehmo Sergheyev great alternative

    • @crystal6383
      @crystal6383 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Barack Lasagna Could have been done with a laser pointer instead, wouldn't need a microscope then and more sensitive too.

    • @gluino
      @gluino 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +Barack Lasagna Although I would be concerned about the field from the coil slightly attracting/repelling the hardware for the lever, causing movement that's confused with the magnetorestriction.

    • @_urbanmonk
      @_urbanmonk 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Barack Lasagna I think you meant the lever solution is ingenious; Ben is Genius for sure. Only people can be genius. However people and things can be ingenious. All that to say, your screen name IS ingenious. Love it! He's been like a flat, wet noodle, covered in cheese as president.

  • @matthiaswandel
    @matthiaswandel 8 ปีที่แล้ว +361

    Nice opening shot. Very clean.
    But I like seeing a messy lab in the background just as much. I watch because it's about the science.
    And I have always been curious. Will have to re-activate one of thee things and take it through a store to try this out!

    • @ProtoG42
      @ProtoG42 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +Matthias Wandel To deactivate them, it works the same as the old degaussing coils on arcade cabinets.

    • @ginofettuccino
      @ginofettuccino 8 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      +Matthias Wandel I love how you comment on other channels Im subscribed to!

    • @AppliedScience
      @AppliedScience  8 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      +Matthias Wandel Don't worry -- the messy lab is not going away! I like the junk chic as much as anyone.

    • @cayleependerass
      @cayleependerass 8 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      +Applied Science Everyone knows that there is a positive correlation between the amount of shit on your bench and the accuracy of scientific data collected.

    • @sasjadevries
      @sasjadevries 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Matthias, just make a (woodworking) contraption that magnetizes and demagnetizes it, so that it's turning on and off every couple of seconds, and then enter a store. This can be quite funny.
      And I'm wondering if it"s actually possible to set the alarm of from a big distance (50meters), it should be.

  • @ccrazychris
    @ccrazychris 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Some anti-theft tags use an amorphous ribbon with a very square B-H loop and a very low coercivity, in fact the earths magnetic field is strong enough to magnetize them in one direction or the other. The transmitter coil generates a pair of fields at two different frequencies and the amorphous ribbon acts as a non-linear magnetic mixer generating fields at the sum and difference frequencies. Say the transmitter generates 5kHz and 8kHz then the sum and difference will be 13kHz and 3kHz respectively. The receiver coils pick up the 13kHz and sound the alarm. To deactivate the tags a small piece of steel adjacent to the ribbon is magnetised and that keeps the ribbon saturated.

  • @brandonfesser1893
    @brandonfesser1893 8 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    I always cut the tags open and save the loose metal strips, as they're perfect for shimming lock cylinders for rekeying.

    • @AgentOffice
      @AgentOffice 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Brandon Fesser I tried but they cut me

    • @brandonfesser1893
      @brandonfesser1893 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I've never come across ones with exceptionally sharp edges. Tap on the tag so the strips fall to one end. Use scissors to snip-off the opposite end. Pour the two free shims out. The third strip isn't worth salvaging.

    • @renakunisaki
      @renakunisaki 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Ironic, using anti-theft tags to pick locks.

    • @NIGHTOWL-jf9zt
      @NIGHTOWL-jf9zt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You must be the Lock Picking Lawyer, but you are under cover conducting research for your next video to shame lock companies! My lips re sealed ( wink, wink ). HAHAHA

  • @FranLab
    @FranLab 8 ปีที่แล้ว +244

    All my young years in retail I always wondered how those tags worked. Thanks Ben! Love the new lab diggs too... :-)

    • @thedjnk
      @thedjnk 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +DRC Paintball I've had some look at the internals of sensormatic stuff and from what I remember they have equipment to also rearm tags right? Not sure how they do that... I remember all the sensormatic boxes I had with huge 400v capacitors in them. I also remember that not all tags are even deactivated, the long clothes tag just has a special tool to remove it (that tool has two of the sticker alarm tags inside ironically) but stays armed. There was an electronic one as well with a battery inside that'd alarm if someone tried to remove the tag without using the special tool (I've got a test tag), did shops ever start using them?

    • @gluino
      @gluino 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +DRC Paintball What do you mean by "in phase"? Do you mean the alternating transmit and listen phases should be in step at all gates in the store? Since there is no network between the different gates of the store, how would syncronization work?
      Also, what causes false alarming when the store is closed for the night?

    • @gluino
      @gluino 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +DRC Paintball Thank you. How often does the transmitter transmit? Do they get any sync help from the mains AC? Otherwise, it seems like you would need atomic clocks in each gate to have different gates independently keep in sync to the precision required.

    • @Shit_I_Missed.
      @Shit_I_Missed. 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +gluino This is what you call Job Security.

    • @cmdraftbrn
      @cmdraftbrn 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i hate retail. lol

  • @TechGorilla1987
    @TechGorilla1987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just want to let you know that here in 2022, I am re-watching all of your content for probably the third time. Your videos could be 3 hours long and I would still be dismayed when they're over.

  • @Kevin-jb2pv
    @Kevin-jb2pv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I guess I always assumed these were some kind of primitive RFID tag and never thought about it. Very interesting!

  • @sciguy14
    @sciguy14 8 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    great video and analysis. love the spring jig.

  • @skivvy3565
    @skivvy3565 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Don’t let let ben fool you, *he’s so committed to accuracy he actually committed many counts of grand larceny just to get active tags for us*

  • @svampebob007
    @svampebob007 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the new setup, and I really love the quality content you're putting out.
    I check for updates daily and slightly bummed when there's non, but never disappointed by what you put out when you do upload something new :)

  • @Rattiar
    @Rattiar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks! I really love your detailed explanations of stuff. I've watched your most recent videos since subscribing about 6 months ago, but still catching up on this older content. So, so nice and thorough. It isn't flashy or anything, just very clear explanations. Please keep it up.

  • @fifaham
    @fifaham 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @6:06 this piece is called the "Bias Magnet" and it provides the Magnetic Bias to put the resonating Magnetorestrictive thin metal on the resonating point on the curve. If the magnet is not present (Deactivated Tag) then the Magnetorestrictive piece of metal is still the same but will be displaced to a non resonating state on the curve.

  • @w2aew
    @w2aew 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Fascinating as always, Ben! I never knew how those strips worked (and I admit to opening them up to see what was inside). You gotta love all of the uses for Kapton tape...

    • @ahsafi8025
      @ahsafi8025 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Looks 😮 hi u😅😅hgh o qpp😅 No n to p

  • @duanecjohnson
    @duanecjohnson 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Ben;
    Many years ago, mid '80s, ASIR, I had a magnitostrictive delay line. It was from a mid '60s Friden calculator. Unfortunately I have lost track of it now.
    This had a long steel wire carefully supported and coiled into a spiral. The transducers at each end had 2 tiny strips of the magnetostrictive material spot welded to the wire at right angles. There was a small coil around one of the strips and a small bias magnet in the coil.
    Both ends were made the same.
    When I pulsed the coil it would cause one strip to lengthan and the other to shrink. This applied a twist to the wore which propagated down the wire.
    Of course, at the other end the strips were forced to stretch and shrink inducing a magnetic field in the coil.
    You could easily see the delayed signal on a 'scope.
    I speculated that it could dynamically hold about 8k bits of data. Maybe more, probably less.
    I didn't have a micro yet so couldn't actually see if I could recirculate any data through it.
    I have there been any amateur attempts at making such a device?
    redrok
    redrok.com

  • @inademv
    @inademv 8 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    I learned about this by pranking shopping carts attaching the tags to the underside.

    • @Brokenrocktail
      @Brokenrocktail 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      inademv it's a periodic pulse the energy was stored in the resonating metal strip which then continue to resonate in a dampened amplitude for a certain amount of time after the pulse ended. The anti-theft tag actually doesn't add any energy to the system it actually takes away from the energy transmitted in order to induce its own oscillation but the receiver isn't looking for that it's looking for the continued oscillation after each pulse goes quiet if the pulse stops and the receiver no longer hears anything and no tag is passing through but if the pulse stops and there is still a ringing coming out of the system then it must be from the tag

    • @Brokenrocktail
      @Brokenrocktail 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Wrong person sorry

    • @fullmindstorm
      @fullmindstorm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Buahahaha genius

  • @ZHOUQin
    @ZHOUQin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One thing you forget to consider is that under the 58kHz excitation, the strip is resonating. The amplitude of displacement is roughly Q times the displacement under static (DC) excitation. Here Q is the quality factor of the resonator. From the ring down, Q is not small (most certainly more than 100, possibly more than 1000). So in the end, it is indeed theoretically possible for the strip to develop 0.1% strain (1/1000 inch over 1 inch) at its resonance frequency (12 ppm * 100 = 0.12%). These being said, the lever setup is quite neat for static test!

  • @evanskanojerera5582
    @evanskanojerera5582 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The level of scientific intuition here is amazing, how you choose the right methods to investigate and validate set assumptions. Thumbs up!

  • @RealationGames
    @RealationGames 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing video! I love your ingenuity in the testing setups. I learned a lot!

  • @ReevansElectro
    @ReevansElectro 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't believe the people who disliked your great video. I can only assume that those were the ones who wanted you to tell them how to defeat the anti-theft tags and have no science background to figure it out themselves.

  • @LukeBeacon
    @LukeBeacon 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes! I immediately noticed the upgrades! So good to see you are making it :D

  • @kevinbyrne4538
    @kevinbyrne4538 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful work (as always).
    MANY thanks for taking the time and trouble to research this topic, construct the apparatus, eliminate the bugs, record the video, edit and post it.

  • @Afrotechmods
    @Afrotechmods 8 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Wow your new lighting looks so pro!

  • @THEWATERENERGY1
    @THEWATERENERGY1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In the first minute you may think it;s not interesting, But you MUST SEE the complete lengh of the video,!! This guy is amazing, in his complete setup, Great setup and a great Research, Thanks for sharing !!!

  • @jkelleyrtp
    @jkelleyrtp 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your production quality is some of the best on TH-cam, if not the best. Good work, great lesson.

  • @RodrigoSakakibara
    @RodrigoSakakibara 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow - These videos make me so happy! I studied electronics, electrical and telecommunications engineer for 10 years and you bring several concepts together in a very simple and beutiful way, like different sounds in a orchestra. Amazing!!! Congrats!

  • @ProtoSimTechnologies
    @ProtoSimTechnologies 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Even though I don't understand half of what you're talking about, you present your findings in such a way that keeps me watching. Thank you for keeping me interested ;-)

  • @davidblair8843
    @davidblair8843 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content as always. Sound and lighting are greatly improved - nice job there too!

  • @eformance
    @eformance 8 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Your data suggests that the resonant frequency of the metal strip is narrowly defined by the dimensions and temperature. If you were to change the temperature significantly, you'd change the resonant frequency and thus the tag would fail to function normally.

    • @AppliedScience
      @AppliedScience  8 ปีที่แล้ว +89

      +eformance That's a really good point! I hadn't thought about extreme temperatures causing the tag to malfunction. I wonder if the manufacturer has a spec on that. I'll have to try it with freeze-spray and a low-temp oven. Thanks!

    • @UltimatePwnageNL
      @UltimatePwnageNL 8 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      +Applied Science Up next in the shoplifter's arsenal: Gas duster and/or a hand warmer. :D

    • @TheHuesSciTech
      @TheHuesSciTech 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +eformance Where's the data that, say, a 50K temperature change would alter the resonant frequency enough to cause a problem? The thermal expansion may look huge under the microscope, but it's still tiny compared to normal mechanical tolerances. The Q of the metal strip is not all that high, it dies out pretty quickly.

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      +eformance The reader does a frequency shift from cycle to cycle to shift the resonance through the tag response range. There is also a series of switches that alternately swap the transmit and receive aluminium strip coils so that the tag distance is not going to make a difference. The transmit power is pretty high, around 50W of power, it does make every metal thing within 5m of the coil have a circulating current, which means any CRT within 5m of the coil will have a very annoying beat on the image as it modulates the electron bean scan. The tags are pretty reliable in use, very few will get past without triggering the system.

    • @pcfreak1992
      @pcfreak1992 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +Hatagashira I've seen a video by Samy Kamkar on how to trick the motion detectors at glass shop doors with a gas duster, now I see just another reason to carry them with me on my next shopping tour haha :D

  • @oussamalarbi6637
    @oussamalarbi6637 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    dude ur amazing just dnt stop i know my generation is not interested in science and u deserve more
    i learned on ur channel compared to school .
    ur the best just keep it up.

  • @toasty4000000
    @toasty4000000 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad to see your video equipment improving, but more importantly I'm glad to see youre happy about it :)

  • @keyboardbandit
    @keyboardbandit 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    +Applied Science, you're always answering the questions I didn't know that I wanted to ask! Thank you so much for your videos! I can't get enough of them!

  • @bfayer
    @bfayer 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very thorough investigation! Those things are actually pretty ingenious, I'm impressed.

  • @ChrisFredriksson
    @ChrisFredriksson 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've wanted to know this for a couple of years now, I've really wondered how these works.. Wow, Thanks for taking your time to investigate and share the results with us! =D Great video!

  • @wizardOfRobots
    @wizardOfRobots 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    you just keep going deeper and deeper into it...some of the topics you explain in detail and some other you brush off... overall it's amazing... and like your original intentions, these videos motivate me to try my own experiments....

  • @krisztianszirtes5414
    @krisztianszirtes5414 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:26 The funny thing is: They are going for the inductor-cap combo a lot of the times, but they make it out of aluminium foil and between two plastic/canvas sheets and that's it. It's working, it's flexible and it's way cheaper than even these metal strips.
    It's just some spiral shape with the ends folded over each other while keeping those insulated to form the inductor and capacitor.

  • @iDomoPolyForums
    @iDomoPolyForums 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video! Love the improvements!
    A very interesting topic.

  • @contatophbio9080
    @contatophbio9080 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guy is clever! This channel is one of the most high level in the internet! Congratulations for this incredible work!

  • @enriqueDFTL
    @enriqueDFTL 8 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    He scienced the shit out of that.

  • @fieldsofomagh
    @fieldsofomagh 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was totally awesome !! Never seen any object move such a minute distance ever and with just bits and pieces.to demonstrate it.Fantastic!!

  • @BunnyFett
    @BunnyFett 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fun and informative experiment! This was really fun to watch you do. I had a good chuckle when you mentioned over-magnetizing one of the strips. Gotta experiment to learn. :D

  • @jpaugh64
    @jpaugh64 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is amazing! You've expose the beauty of the everyday. Thank you!

  • @TheDashius
    @TheDashius 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is exactly the detailed explanation I was hoping for, thanks!

  • @zeroy
    @zeroy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    why are you showing tiny piece at over 4ft away? We cant see a thing.

    • @DasAntiNaziBroetchen
      @DasAntiNaziBroetchen 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jeremiah Grooms I wanna see the small shiny sheet of metal! I am a shiny metal sheel collector, specializing in small scales.

  • @joe2mercs
    @joe2mercs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is important to note that metal strips are of two different ferrous alloys. One is a type of steel, as this becomes a ‘permanent’ magnet when subjected to a magnetic field. The other is iron, in that it responds to a magnetic field but resists becoming a permanent magnet. The plastic container is water proof to prevent corrosion of the metals strips within. The device is ingenious and the presentation in this video of how it works is pure genius.

  • @whitcwa
    @whitcwa 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video!
    The curve of magnetic field vs mechanical output is the same as magnetic field vs recorded signal for audiotape. Tape recorders apply bias to the recorded signal to move the recordings into the linear portion of the curve. Some cheap cassette recorders use a magnet for DC bias, but most use AC bias around 45 khz.

  • @dumbo800
    @dumbo800 8 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    In my university library, you could easily locate the location of the magnetic field if you walked through with headphones on. Very high pitched, probably around 15kHz in my case.

    • @markgigiel2722
      @markgigiel2722 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Old TV's would drive me crazy. I could hear the flyback and yoke at 15,525 KHz. No headphones needed. Just cheap loose windings.

    • @MrHBSoftware
      @MrHBSoftware 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      yes you can hear the horizontal 15khz and you can hear the vertical at 50hz or so, you can also hear the high voltage whine...but those drive nobody crazy unless you are part of the hyper sensitive snowflake millenial generation, if you hear it just turn the volume up...and flybacks dont have loose windings...vertical output transformers maybe but a flyback built like that would fry in seconds...

    • @rhyoliteaquacade
      @rhyoliteaquacade 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@markgigiel2722 My hearing used to be so good I knew if a TV was being used nearby. Sadly now I have tinnitus that falls exactly around 15 KHz or more likely the sub-harmonic about 7 or 8 KHz where my hearing starts to fall off. I think that in my case being a passenger in turboprop planes did my hearing in. I started wearing ear plugs, but too late.

    • @professoreggplant9985
      @professoreggplant9985 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rhyoliteaquacade Mhm yeah. After being an aircraft tech and exposed to countless hours of various high Db frequencies and many cross country flights; after 20 years of that, I sustained NO hearing loss so pardon my skepticism at your claim of hearing loss as a turboprop passenger.

    • @oldengineer8292
      @oldengineer8292 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Libraries typically used a different alloy, mu-metal, and much longer strips and would usually bury the strips in the spine of the book. That way they didn't have to disassemble the book. I have some strips somewhere, but from memory they're about 2 or 2 1/2" long. Also they worked on a slightly different principle. The alloy would saturate very easily so the effect would be to generate 2nd harmonic signals that the system would then detect. Our local library years ago went to RFID tags so they could have individual serial numbers used on the book borrow and returns, automatically machjine sort them for which branch the book had to be sent to and to check it in against the library card used to check it out. So it's quite possible the frequency was quite a bit lower.

  • @TediumGenius
    @TediumGenius 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very, very good video! Your test and observation methods are very creative! Thanks for your hard work and video!

  • @lalala13131315
    @lalala13131315 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow. The determination to measure it 👍🏻👍🏻 huge props.

  • @oldengineer8292
    @oldengineer8292 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My understanding was that the use of a strong magnet would saturate the adjacent hard steel where its coercivity would leave it in a permanent magnet state that was just right for generating the ring-down pulse. To deactivate you had to de-magneitze the hard steel strip, so at the checkout counter is actually a zebra stripe type magnet that will de-magnetize the strip when the tag is swiped past it. The reason for this is that many ne'er-do-wells would think think they could defeat the tags by magnetizing them., but would in fact, make sure the tags were fully activated. Also another part of the design is the plastic separator between strips is slippery Teflon, so that the strip can resonate without being too quickly damped.

  • @iiispyderiii
    @iiispyderiii 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are so cool Ben. I'm a computer engineer of '14 and I wish I could be a quarter as awesome as these videos. Your projects are inspiring.

  • @operator8014
    @operator8014 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    How in the world have I never found this channel before!? This is great!

  • @nextstorming3908
    @nextstorming3908 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now this is a VERY in depth video on how the magnet strips work

  • @RichardRParsons
    @RichardRParsons 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hi Ben.
    Thanks for the video, it was enjoyable as always.
    If your still interested in this topic you may want to try using a strain gauge to estimate the saturation magnetostriction.
    If you glue the strain gauge directly to the ribbon surface with any brand of cyanoacrylate and then monitor the change in resistance via a wheatstone bridge configuration while slowly rotating the sample/applied field you can quite accurately estimate the saturation magnetostriction using the know gauge factor. We use this method in the lab I work in and so I can assure you its possible to achieve sub ppm resolution. I wish I could point you in the direction of a few papers on the topic but its very poorly documented in the literature.
    If you have any questions about this, or on magnetic materials (especially nanocrystalline or amorphous materials) in general feel free to drop me a line.
    Richard

    • @MichelPASTOR
      @MichelPASTOR 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Capo Interesting thank you.

  • @AndrewTSq
    @AndrewTSq 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish all youtube channels had this good sound!. Nice work, and informative video as always :)

  • @metamorphiczeolite
    @metamorphiczeolite 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These videos are so fun to watch. Oh, and informative, too.

  • @TheBdd4
    @TheBdd4 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for an excellent experiment! Well done!

  • @narcoti
    @narcoti 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video!, I've always wondered about these. Still waiting for HL3 though :(

  • @Kezat
    @Kezat 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating, thanks Ben!

  • @Rick.Sanchez
    @Rick.Sanchez 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love your detailed videos, explaining every-day physics!

  • @InXLsisDeo
    @InXLsisDeo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for being a great teacher. I learn a lot of things on this channel !
    Brilliant apparatus, btw

  • @Inspironator
    @Inspironator 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I'm sure you diagrams and scope screens are clearly visible to you Ben, but could you Zoom in so viewers aren't struggling to see what amounts to 1/16th of OUR viewing screen size?

  • @Kaliumcyanidful
    @Kaliumcyanidful 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great visualisation with lever and microscpoe!

  • @TheOnlyRizzy
    @TheOnlyRizzy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So basically, you've taught us that you can carry an item out of a store with a small, strong neodymium magnet against the security strip and the alarm won't go off :p happy shoplifting everyone!

    • @ProtoG42
      @ProtoG42 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Rizwan Awan (TheOnlyRizzy) No. Many products are source tagged in the factory to prevent you from doing anything. You also can't deactivate larger tags with inductors and capacitors in them.

  • @allenshepard7992
    @allenshepard7992 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The whole explanation showing the expansion is great.

  • @kaygallagher988
    @kaygallagher988 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Today on Applied Science, I'd like to put you on a watchlist.

  • @affablegiraffable
    @affablegiraffable 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the experimental setup was awesome

  • @SujeetKumar-lv2dd
    @SujeetKumar-lv2dd 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Optimally used existing resources... Hats off sir

  • @MrPDawes
    @MrPDawes 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating video. I often wondered how this sort of tag worked. Of course everyone now knows how to defeat them. Like the upgrades.

  • @bigwhiteyeti
    @bigwhiteyeti 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is very cool and I appreciate you doing original research to investigate it. This is why I started watching TH-cam

  • @Fifury161
    @Fifury161 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice practical experiment setup!

  • @icenesiswayons9962
    @icenesiswayons9962 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely true.
    That was a brilliant way of describing the anti theft device and a way to measure its movement. However even in it's simplicity, I don't think too many understood it. Great demonstration.:-)

  •  8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You are doing an amazing job! Here in Brazil it's more common to see that heavy round plastic ones. That one I think that isn't by this method.

    • @TheChipmunk2008
      @TheChipmunk2008 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +Navarro Eletrônica Those big round ones (if they're the ones I am thinking of) typically have an inductor (usually ferrite cored) and a capacitor, forming a tuned circuit at the same frequency as these (58KHz). I've learned to my cost that some power supplies such as laptop chargers etc. have combinations of components resonant at the same frequency, and can set them off!
      It used to be walkman headphones in the late 80s that would do it!

    • @carolynmmitchell2240
      @carolynmmitchell2240 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      TheChipmunk2008 I'm guessing maybe the ferrite choke on the charger?

  • @bpark10001
    @bpark10001 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Without DC bias, the magnetostrictive effect is a square-law effect, so the frequency is effectively doubled because you are riding across the tip of a parabola (which the bar is not tuned for). With the bias, the the effect is linear if the DC field is large compared to the AC field (you are riding on the relatively-straight side of the parabola), so there is no doubling.

  • @migalito1955
    @migalito1955 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent method for showing the change in length!

  • @rossrobotics6342
    @rossrobotics6342 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the videos! Congrats on the new setup, but as someone else pointed out, I am here for the science.

  • @eddietowers5595
    @eddietowers5595 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting, I especially like the meter you made to measure such slight movements. I use the strips as shims in my home machine shop, because their thickness is between .0005 to .001, for example; when I have one of my lathes preoccupied with a four jaw set up, that I can't break down, I'll use another lathe that has a three jaw chuck, test run out with a workpiece in the jaws, and fill the high spots with two or three of those strips, to get as close to a four jaw reading, if at, times, even better. I was commissioned to build a micro wire straightener 2. Years ago, and, as you may know, the straightener parts had to mesh as perfect as a Swiss watch, suffice it to say, I placed at least ten of those strips through the machine, and when their assessor tested the little machine he certified it as passing, as a Swiss watch, not knowing of the security strips turned shims...rotfl 😃

  • @felixbade2879
    @felixbade2879 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for making these videos with so much care, I highly appreciate that you explain things so deeply! The video qualuty is also very good. Next improvement could be more close ups, I would like to see the small piece of metal, the graph and your measuring apparatus in more detail. If you have enough time to edit :)

  • @bulwynkl
    @bulwynkl 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amorphous metals! Love that stuff. Have a piece of a Fe-B alloy that CSIRO were experimenting with in the early 90's...

  • @paulcohen1555
    @paulcohen1555 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It doesn't matter which is the subject, this guy makes an amazing video and explanation.

  • @sadiqnawazkhan3333
    @sadiqnawazkhan3333 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for such a detailed explanation with excellent visualization

  • @etyrnal
    @etyrnal 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Correction. There is sound being transmitted. But, number one, it's above the audible spectrum, and number two they aren't using mechanical audible means to detect it, they are using a magnet to detect it.

  • @glennfiddich2945
    @glennfiddich2945 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good and informative as always. Keep it up!

  • @harshad2227
    @harshad2227 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    When i see titles of your video, i have no idea what it is about. But the moment i start playing, i m lost. Thanx Ben, keep videos coming.

  • @jesseguerrero7789
    @jesseguerrero7789 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    when I have kids, they are watching this channel instead of cartoons.
    that lever rig blew my mind. Genius!

    • @Bowowowification
      @Bowowowification 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Jesse Guerrero The rig was awesome, but it may be flawed. He may have not been measuring expansion/contraction. What about sideways movement from the electromagnet pulling the tag around at 58kHz?

  • @DextersTechLab
    @DextersTechLab 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent work Ben!

  • @ZeedijkMike
    @ZeedijkMike 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    And suddenly I spent a whole evening rewatching your videos. Much better than some silly discovery documentary ☺
    Great videos.

  • @bmenrigh
    @bmenrigh 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have always wondered about these. Thanks!

  • @mightyzy
    @mightyzy 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great, intelligent video! Thank you for increasing the quality of TH-cam!

  • @kingdiamond5840
    @kingdiamond5840 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the great videos... I really hope you are still planning a video with your ultra-high pressure assembly. Curious what effects you share under a great PSI.

  • @fleabitis
    @fleabitis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are a really, really good presenter! Awesome presentation!

  • @Speeder84XL
    @Speeder84XL 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really cool! I have always wondered how those things workes when I see them (the tags are so small that it would be hard to put any electronics in them, haha), but have forgot to do any reseach.

  • @DasButterBoat
    @DasButterBoat 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work, as always!

  • @frollard
    @frollard 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant work as always!

  • @ddiddy666
    @ddiddy666 8 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Nice work!
    Why are there two oscillator stripes in the tag casing?

    • @AppliedScience
      @AppliedScience  8 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      +ddiddy666 That is a good question. I'm not exactly sure, but I believe the manufacturer uses two ribbons just to get more signal. Two oscillators will produce more signal than one. The ribbon cannot be made thicker because it is created by extremely rapid cooling to obtain the desired magnetic properties, and a double-thickness ribbon would cool rapidly enough at the edges, but not quickly enough in the center. So, two thin ribbons it is.

    • @ddiddy666
      @ddiddy666 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Applied Science, seems like a fair guess. Thanks.

    • @zarouszz
      @zarouszz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Applied Science Perhaps it has something to do with different magnet-harmonic frequencies? i.e. half wave + full wave or 1/4 wave. Curious whether a small neo-d magnet or ferrite magnet on the device with one strip vs two produces different degradation in signal. I'm thinking out of phase frequencies might cancel attempts to bypass the security feature.

    • @ProtoG42
      @ProtoG42 8 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      +Applied Science One strip is actually resonating a little high and the other is a little lower than 58kHz. It helps with system performance and reliability.

    • @ddiddy666
      @ddiddy666 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +Proto G, ah!

  • @gottalikeit2010
    @gottalikeit2010 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I will apply this knowledge to my future shoplifting endeavours. Thank you.

  • @DigGil3
    @DigGil3 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    To tell us the internet is wrong about how things work. That's why I enjoy to watch Ben!

  • @jayphilippbar
    @jayphilippbar 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the early days those strips were made from "Metglas". It was developed by Allied. Great video as always!