Mercedes' Oversight & Red Bull's Perez Dilemma.
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- A major Mercedes oversight tainted what was otherwise a pretty perfect day for the team, but at Red Bull, could we have seen the last of Sergio Perez in F1?
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I love the irony of you talking about Perez's career whilst you're walking through a graveyard
haha I thought exactly the same thing 😂.. I wonder if it was intentional
Definitely scripted 😂💀💀
I don't think it is irony .. jajaja .. perhaps commiseration ?
Love it. That was a brilliant comment......well done.
😂😂😂😂😂
Oscar owes that front jack man a beer
and a new pair of boxers ...
And some underwear
A case of beer. 😂😂😂
I think Lewis 's problem, (why he was upset) is that vital information was kept from him and any trust has gone😢
Trust hasn't gone. Miscommunications can happen any time. It's part of humans just being human. He'll have a chat with the team about it. They'll come to an understanding and move on for better next time.
Yeah I think it was just crap communication tbh
Sorry you missed my point! Miscommunication is one thing and can easily happen, but, knowing that one side of the garage has changed strategies....fine, every lap that passes by and you as team choose not to give me this information has a negative effect on my race and the team know this. And now after this incident I (lewis) know this, hence I'm back on my plane and having my holiday, screw yout team photos, I don't feel like part of the team right now! Thoughts? 🫡
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks It wasn't miscommunications!!! The Team didn't allow Hamilton to run faster and cover Russell's 1-stop. This is something that they would have done if it was Norris on a 1 stop. For a team not to tell the driver what the others are doing is criminal, because that is their job!!! Anyways Karma kicked in....being lighter gave Russell an advantage and the DQ. This rule is a serious one and teams weigh the car often to make sure they are inline.
@@101cheekie It hasn't been Hamilton's team for some time!!! Only Hamilton knows the truth, but he isn't speaking....... I don't think he is going to ever tell us the truth, he likes Mercedes and Toto too much to do that.
It’s amazing to me how many of these reviews of the 2024 Belgium GP that I’ve seen completely ignore the fact that Merc allowed RUS to change team strategy to the detriment of Lewis and did not inform Lewis early enough of the implications of the change in strategy to split the strategies across drivers. Lewis should have been given full information to 1.) Opt for a one stop for himself; and 2.) Deploy his tires to challenge RUS much earlier in the final stint
Hamilton is a lam duck driver
Not sure how I've managed to not find this channel until now. Great commentary!
Thank you and welcome along.
Where you been...Lol
Marc’s vids and commentary are criminally underrated
Your analysis ignores that Lewis was told to lift and coast, he was in conservation mode, had he be told Russell may not stop again he would have put the hammer down much earlier
Good point, that’s a big deal.
He was told to lift and coast so as not to run out of fuel. Hammer time was not on offer.
Don't U know he suczzz Dutch 🌭...& Payed for .....like all rest
Anyone know just how 1.5kg was not calculated? It seems a HUGE amount to me. Not a small error. How is that possible? True insights please, not guesses. Thx
It wasn’t Russell’s inspired idea. Hamilton had requested a one stop prior to the race. He was told no. Yet when Russell brought it up during the race they let him do it. Part of the reason Lewis was unhappy after the race.
You can understand why though. Lewis was in the lead so it was too risky to try a one-stop when they have no data on it. No one else in the top 4 teams did it. Russell had nothing to lose since he was effectively in 6th. If he didn't do it, Lewis would have won and he wouldn't be upset. It was a gamble for Russell, and he won.
@@abelooi2442 well he didn't did he, because he was underweight... Maybe the reason one stopper was possible was because he was 1.5 kg lighter.
Excellent video as always. Walking through a cemetery as you talk PER/RIC was amazing symbolism.
Haha, you're not the first to point that out, but I promise it wasn't orchastrated that way...😂
Nicely done and so nice to hear a person who can actually pronounce the word STATERGY correctly unlike the latests edition to the official F1 channel. How come nobody has picked up on the fact that Russells car was chucking out significant amounts of liquid on the warm up lap. Back in my day, 40 years ago, we were allowed to top up water and oil levels before weighing.
I agree this has been a great season so far. On the Perez issue I can’t see any other driver being a significant upgrade, I’m not a Perez fan but maybe this is a barometer as to where Redbull’s true performance is, and Max being Max is driving the wheels of it each week, masking the car’s deficiencies? Great channel, I’ve subscribed 😊
Lewis proposed a one-stop approach, but Mercedes declined. Second, driving a lighter car will allow you to go faster and cause less wear and tear on your tires. That's why it's illegal to have a lighter car under FIA rules.
You can understand why the team declined. Lewis was in the lead so it was too risky to try a one-stop when they have no data on it. No one else in the top 4 teams did it. Russell had nothing to lose since he was effectively in 6th. If Russell didn't do it, Lewis would have won and he wouldn't be upset. It was a gamble for Russell, and he won this time.
@@abelooi2442Except he didn't win did he.
If Sir Lewis had done a one stop strategy his car would also be underweight and the car would have been disqualified.
@@davidbrown8517The FIA removed the tyres and fuel, and the car was lighter than what the FIA rules dictates.
@@davidbrown8517 Russell car was under weight anyway. The fia removed he's tyers checked the weight of the car, they found no difference in Russell tyers to any other car on the grid, they then checked the car with fuel and they even took more than the normal amount out for fuel test they took 2kg instead 1kg. They then empty all the fuel as it cannot be used as the car's ballist, the fia did more than normal and no matter what they did the car was still under the legal weight,
I don't think it was any Nobel prize winning strategy from George. He just took the gamble. If he stops again, he loses track position with no chance of catching Sir Lewis. If he goes on the one stop, the worst that can happen is that he may end up fourth or fifth.
If memory serves me right, Sir Lewis had suggested going on the one stopper before zGeorge did so. It would have been intetesting to see both going long on those worn hard tyres, of which Sir Lewis' was two laps fresher.
After the race Perez had the look of someone going to a funeral, and Ricciardo had the look of someone who has already got the nod, but he cannot let on that it has happened. However, it was very noticeable that it was Ricciardo in the RB helicopter beside Max, and not Perez, and Max gave a double thumbs up, and he sure looked like he was saying "yes, he's back."
I have been using the app and didn't know you were involved with it. Great job!
Glad you like it, thanks.👍
With 1.5kg extra on his car, Russel would never have been in that position in the first place.
its worth 1/10th a lap....they say a delta of half a second to actually pass someone
@@1greenMitsi no wonder Lewis could not pass him as he passed LeClerc
@1greenMitsi It's not just the basic lap time benefit, but also reduced tire/tyre deg, which is what allowed Russell to manage his tires as well as he did.
Would that extra 1.5 kg actually make the difference? Quite possibly, but no guarantee.
@@jmacd8817 that's already baked into the 0.1 second a lap
very glad I came across this channel, subscribed to it as per now. it did feel like symbolism when you commenced discussing the topic of Pérez' career and situation while entering the cemetery......
Haha, thanks
I also love the irony when you said “where’s my other dog!” Which is a great metaphor for one of the teams at the moment 😅
Also - Newey leaving Red Bull is something Max has to think about
My thoughts are that the only thing that allowed Mercedes and Russell to gamble with this one stop strategy was nearly perfect performance by Lewis. They knew that Lewis will give them the win with his control and calculated that with or without 2nd pitstop they will be on 5th place (give or take one) with George. Additional factors as clean air in front and less wear helped George to maintain this P1 to the last laps but for me Lewis was the one who won this race for Mercedes and I didn’t like the fact that George went to win not exactly on merit or real strategy masterstroke but pure luck. Apparently he took too much luck winning and there was none left for the scrutiny.
With respect, I totally disagree
@@F1Elvisyou are a Lewis hater so…
Great summary and insight into the current F1 world,it’s cut throat for the teams but great for those following the sport 👍.
I know people are never happy, i very much miss the sound of the countryside! Love your videos thabks
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Its a great season so far, far from boring, loved Spa, on to the next one
I wouldn’t have found this channel if GR hadn’t been disqualified. Algorithms work in mysterious ways. Subbed.
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Just back from the race. The race craft/skill on display was phenomenal as we hadn’t seen the post 22 cars but the fans who are there with you are even more incredible.
Every nationality possible was their in their respective mother tongue but with the one language: F1
Channel great as always Marc. We have come a long way hanging off the top of your garage and treehouse doing a vlog. Now look at you!!
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I agree that checo is no where close to his potential . But my question is what has happened to Rb in total , yes people have caught them but thr car is not fast enough actually in race pace .
that's a question I have asked here too. Is it because Newey has 'downed tools' as he's leaving at the end of the season?
I actually think Perez had a good (or at least not bad) race. The car (RB) doesn't seem to have the performance advantage it had before. He didn't finish far (position wise) from Verstappen, especially considering that RB pitted him to allow Verstappen through (convenient rather than optimum stop). Verstappen appears to be able to drive round issues, that Perez (and others) would struggle with. I don't think DR would do better..🤷🙄👍
@@footyball66 have no idea .
@@Worther12 i dont think DR would be better but perez is not MOTIVATED ENOUGH
Maybe rb cheating with brakes, rumours are going round and it’s looking more like what was going on
Lewis asked for his own strategy but was overruled. He didn’t need to stop twice with decent tyres to cover off a leclerc that was never a threat.
@@Selendekibut Lewis did 2nd guess it as he told the team “the tyres where good” the radio call was there for everyone to hear …
Try again
@@andrewchanner463that’s what I heard too
You can understand why the team did it. Lewis was in the lead so it was too risky to try a one-stop when they have no data on it. No one else in the top 4 teams did it. Russell had nothing to lose since he was effectively in 6th. If Russell didn't do it, Lewis would have won and he wouldn't be upset. It was a gamble for Russell, and he won this time.
@@Selendeki so you are making a point out of nothing then?
Go back to sleep
The idea of one-stop was broached by Lewis in pre-race strategy planning. That’s why he was cold to Russell in the cool-down… the team said okay to Russell’s call and ignored Lewis’ call. But Russell managed it perfectly.
The one problem I see with a Verstappen move to Mercedes, is not Max so much, but Yos. I imagine Toto would not stand for his nonsense.
Cheers MP ... another tip top summary of the latest F1 race .... perhaps you and Ted Kravitz could come up with a collaboration pod ... 👍
Hey Marc. I like these little strolls around the countryside with some reflections on the races, keep it up! I wonder what you think about Sergio being confirmed to stay at Red Bull at least until the end of the year, why do you think they have made this decision?
It's a slightly odd decision, but we don't know the details of contracts etc or what other influences might be at play...
Red Bull picking Ricciardo seems like a desperate and risky move. It's not obvious to me that Daniel would do (much) better. Yuki would be a massive gamble as well. RB bottling it at multiple levels. Max to Merc would shake things up nicely 🤯
DR is the most conservative move...what ru on aboot
Daniel is only a gamble because he has the worst luck on the grid :) he has been better than his points return.
Daniel is the only driver to beat Max.
14 races 7 different winners 🤯 who predicted that at the start of the season
Russel was not able to pickup the rubber because there was no proper cool down lap. 400 grams per wheel is doable but they entered the pit immediately and he was only one with extra wear because of one stop less.
There's never a cool.down.lap at Spa....
No one had a cool down lap. And no one else was underweight.
Great round up as always Marc and so good to have you back putting these out regularly, they really compliment the weekend. Off topic question though, when are we going to see more of your gorgeous dream car Mercedes? I hope you've at least been enjoying her out on the open road.
It really is difficult to believe that one stop strategy with the tyres could cause one and a half kilo underweight situation, if that was the case surely the Aston Martin would be underweight as well, the other dodgy thing about it as well is that Mercedes tried to weigh the car wet when they knew it had to be dry
It was a definite cock up by Merc, not because they couldn't pick up extra rubber.
Exactly, the FIA had to tell them to completely drain the car.
Easy fix (sort of), post race, weight the cars with all 4 wheels removed. Tires that big can gather a lot of weight(marbles) times 4. What is the weight diff between C-1 thru C5 compounds? Just a thought
Why do we need a solution? I don't see a problem? Mercedes just got it wrong this time, but everyone else, and for years and years, has managed to get it right.
Great round up as always. Though did Oscar's pit stop really not cost him? A normal stop would have seen him 2seconds closer to Lewis and on his gearbox with 3, maybe 4 laps to go. No guarantee he would have got past with the shorter DRS but that McLaren had a decent speed advantage.
And do you really think Ricciardo deserves the Red Bull seat? He's not exactly exceling at RB so why would he pull in more points than Perez?? Give Lawson a shot for the rest of the season
The problem for Piastri, just as it was for Norris, was that catching was one thing, overtaking definitely another in this race.
Top video marc as allways really like listening to your views ps f1 fan 25 years plus
Thank you
The obvious solution to picking up marbles in order to measure correctly,weigh the wheels and tyres when new and subtract that weight at the end.
I sometimes wonder if it’s not a deliberate policy to introduce randomness in order to prevent inevitable superiority,a bit like throwing the dice when war gaming
It's not really an issue at all, never has been, Merc just miscalculated and got it wrong.
@@F1Elvisso why do teams constantly have to remind their drivers to pick up marbles?That’s legal doping really,and it’s unnecessary
Feel sorry for GR, but there was another driver who did a 1-stopper.. and they didn't get DSQ'ed (though not sure they were scrutineered, but still)
The racing is great at the moment. Shame Max is so far ahead for the neutrals, but at least we can look forward to more close racing for the win when F1 returns
Checo stays on an RB. WOW. I'm genuinely shocked. I guess they don't care about winning the constructors title, it seems.
Love the video. And the talk about Oerez in the cemetery is a brilliant editorial choice. Well done.
On the live feed, Hamilton was coming into the pits when Russell was asking about considering a 1 stop. Mercedes let him do it because the simulations both came out the same way. Russell was driving the car, and he knew his tires were doing well. Mercedes had to cover Piastri, and they knew that it wasn't going to happen with Russell. I don't think you could call it bad strategy.
Agreed.
Mercedes will be better after Summer break ....firstly all of us put weight on after a holiday....
I doubt it was an oversight they probably thought he would get by with the new tires (you know the heavy rims ones) but when he didn’t come in they tried the old “accidentally” leave a bit of fuel in
If George had changed tyres a second time, would those newer tyres have weighed an extra 1.5 kgs at the end of the race? It is only 375gms per tyre.
Interesting, where did you get 175g from if you don’t mind me asking ?
You can only count the difference between normal deg and one stop deg so I don't think it'd be that much.
@@mandst5466must've been just a typo, edited now.
@@bennylloyd-willner9667 ok cool, thanks 👍🏻
Do you think there is such a thing as starting yips? Norris’ problems mainly stem from the start procedure through to the first corner. I wonder if it is recognised that drivers can become hamstrung by over thinking getting off the line. Loving your work as always 👏
Marc... You can't have it both ways.........
If Russell was "inspired / brave / smart" and insisted on a 1stop strategy and therefore - as per Merc themselves have stated - the car used a little extra fuel & a little extra tires which nudged them up against the weight limit then Russell too must share some of the unfortunate outcome - saying that he had "done absolutely nothing to deserve the outcome" is not correct - he has to share "some" of the blame IMO...
Did he use extra fuel tho? On the F1 official website it states a Technical Delegate’s Report says the car was regular weight before an excessive amount of fuel was drained. If that's true and I got it right, then he didn't use too much fuel, and I'm pretty sure the tire deg wasn't a big part of the underweight since you can't even count the full loss of deg, only assess how much MORE it would've been compared to normal deg.
@@bennylloyd-willner9667 It's only a couple of 100g per tyre plus any excess fuel used as I don't believe he lifted and coasted as much as he would had to have done as a result of the standard underfuelling for Spa. He was fuelled for a 2 stop not 1 stop, and this affected tyre wear too. If you read Doc 42 (and Doc 44) that refers to fuel load as well. George needs to shoulder some of the blame as OP suggested.
@@bennylloyd-willner9667 for clarity = The car was first weighed before taking the requisite amount of fuel specified under the rules for testing ( 2.8 L if memory serves correctly ) = after that test sample the car was found to be underweight... The car must meet the minimum weight "after" the fuel for testing is removed...
They had initially weighed the car & could immediately tell that the car would fail the weigh limit because it was already at the edge of the limit of 798kg before the test sample removal - so that's why they weighed it several times on different scales with Merc staff present...
As far as fuel burn, excess tire deg etc.., question - It was suggested by Merc themselves that they had made a mistake and had not made a proper calculation to take into effect the 1-stop strategy with any subsequent changes to fuel use, tire deg, lack of lift and coast from having to defend against a rapidly closing Hamilton etc..., Merc F'd up because they didn't calculate for a 1 stopper in advance because that strategy wasn't in play until GR requested it...
It’s hardly George’s job to do the weight calculations in his head while he is driving. The team have to chime in and allow or disallow the one stop. The failure is in the garage and pit wall, not in the drivers seat.
@@alliejr It is however GR's job to lift and coast to preserve fuel if told to do so - Lewis was told to do it on his second stint and he passed the weight check...
Did George need to lift and coast more because of the 1 stop & was he told to do so but didn't when Lewis was chasing him down ??
We'll never know the real story - But "Win as a Team - Lose as a Team"...
Sympathies to GR and his supporters...
Did you see the video of Horner, Laurence and Daniel chatting after the race? It seems to me, they were looking at their watches etc, that they may be giving Daniel a test to see what him times are like now. Guess work of course, but ric defiantly had a string in his step as he left.
It is interesting that multiple teams have brought big upgrades/changes to their cars and those "upgrades" were then abandoned...
I think only Ferrari though, right?
@@F1Elvis Mercedes this weekend and I think Red Bull had an update that did not pan out.
Someone help me out here. How is a car not finding the pace of the rival cars be the fault of the driver?
Who are you referring to?
The Hungarian GP was a inflection point for McLaren where Zak Brown was asked to resign as he could not make any definitive decisions for the future challenge of the drivers' championship. lando should have been prioritized for the win to keep their hopes alive. Lando has at best been suffering from this decision since letting Mercedes and Ferrari catch up as a result....
Zak needs to resign and McLaren needs to get things straight before they loose everything this season !!!
Red bull will win because of mistakes of others......what a mess....
The second half of the season is where the top three/four teams start to pull ahead in the technology race.
Zak wasn't even in Hungary?
Just wondering. Has there been a situation in F1 history, where the team gets a 1st in drivers championship, but a 3rd in the constructors?
Not sure....
rosberg 83 - williams 4th, that was a crazy championship tho
I don't agree that the lack of a cool down lap was the reason for George's car being underweight. Of the finishers, including George, there were 5 drivers who had just 1 pit stop and the other 4 did not come up underweight. These are the laps they pitted on:
Russell Lap 10
Stroll Lap 12
Alonso Lap 13
Tsunoda 15
Magnussen Lap 17
I don't think Mercedes were trying anything, I just think whoever was doing the weight calcs forgot to carry the 2.
I didn't say it was the reason?
@@F1Elvis I should have been more clear. You did say the lack of a cool down isn't a surprise to the teams because it is the same every year at Spa. I was more referring to others that I have listen to and read saying the lack of a cool down was a contributing factor to the under weight car. It got me wondering if anyone else did the race on 1 stop and it turns out there were 4 others. Sorry for not being clear.
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According to my research, a F1 tyre has about 4mm of 'tread' rubber which (over all 4 tyres) weighs around 14kg. So, 10 percent more wear than expected accounts for 1.4kg extra weight loss. I'd say George's unexpected change to 1-stop accounted for way more than 10 percent more wear. I think he created his own problem!
Loved the McLaren team mocking the front jack man after the replay on the feed. Must be good craic at a team in the hunt 🛠️
I disagree with anyone saying you can't get an upgrade on Perez. That's how Perez keeps getting a contract renewal and repeating his lousy performances year over year. It's like when football clubs are reluctant to sack a manager and say "Who else can do a better job under such difficult circumstances.." and then when the finally do someone new comes in and shows how abysmal the previous guy was doing.. How can it be risky to change Perez when he isn't beating any of the rest of the guys in the top 4 teams
It's clear Perez has to go and I suspect we'll hear that he's been bumped down to RB within the next few days. The problem is who on earth do they replace him with? Ricciardo has the experience but Tsunoda has outperformed him, plus Lawson is looking like a promising talent and waiting in the wings. Red Bull have some very difficult decisions to make!
RB can't seem to produce an engine that will last an entire season. It's been like this for years now. Why is that?
Honda makes the engines but they don't do well when crashed.
"but it's only a tenth of a second" ... so 4.4 seconds on the race length... and lighter on tyres.
Thanks for the insight Elvis.
Sainz was in same position and should have held on to one stop stategy
Do you know how much weight actually gets shed off the tyre per lap?
Impossible to put a figure on that I'm afraid. Too many variables.
No merc didn’t have a good day. No matter how you cut it Russell got dq. That’s always unacceptable whether it’s driver or team. And I’m a Max fan, I should be happy but merc showed they’re not ready to be at the front again and that sucks.
Not ready? They were actually there and that’s what counts on race day
What was wrong with Toto's face at the end of the race? I've never seen a team boss look so unhappy with a 1-2 finish since Frank Williams in 1981
I thought that was strange too!
Jones/Reut 👍
Why won't Red Bull consider Carlos Sainz as the second seat driver to replace poor old Perez ? He (Carlos) is a solid driver and i reckon he would consistently bring home that second clutch of points most races. Vital as McLaren are closing in with every race. I have heard that Carlos is someone that Max is not keen on but why ? Is there some past bad-blood history ? Is it that he doesn't want a number2 who could more often (than his other teammates) challenge and best him ? What's the issue ? (I think I'll have to google this one for an answer, or i could ask Marc Priestley 🙂🙏 !)
There were fireworks between them last time they were teammates in the Red Bull camp.
Thanks for that Mr. Priestley.@@F1Elvis P.S. I'd vote for the occasional fireworks 🎇 🙂 !
Checo was never that fast. In fact, they never should have ditched Albon. And now Red bull is saying they are going to keep Checo for the rest of the season. LOL. They have lost the plot.
Great analysis as always. In my mind, When McLaren went through those two tough years with Danny Ric that simply didn't live up to the expectations, they made the tough decision to drop him from the final year of his contract, took a (calculated) risk securing Oscar and look how that has paid off for them. RedBull hasn't had the guts to do essentially the same thing and have made a mockery of the talent they have waiting in the wings... RedBull have dropped drivers and promoted drivers for less. On that basis, Liam Lawson should be the one to take over that Red Bull seat this year or next. At the very least VCARB for the 2nd half with a look to move up to the main team in 2025. They risk losing him to a factory drive at Audi.... Wild times.
Also amazing that McLaren have exceed their 2023 points tally in half a season.
Long post, sorry :D
Problem is on that basis if they immediately drop Lawson in they are making a mockery of the supposedly brilliant breeding ground for talent that the junior team RB (still think of it as Torro Rosso myself) is meant to be. If that system is serving its function and Perez is yanked, than either Ricciardo or Tsnouda takes the seat at RBR, not parachuting Lawson into the senior team.
Honestly I suspect the way it might work out is Perez is pulled, Ricciardo promoted to RBR for the remainder of the season. Lawson takes the seat at RB and if by the end of the season if Ricciardo proves no better than Perez he is pulled and someone gets put in the RBR car and a replacement is sought for the RB team. That might head off losing Lawson to Audi(Sauber) in the hope that he can perhaps be a good team player at RB or potentially a decent partner to Max at RBR.
@@AndrewinAus fair comments. We shall see
@@nycsox987 Fair enough as well that RBR hadn't so far had the courage to pull Perez. I suspect that there is bunch of management level politics and no spectacular choice to replace Perez like there was with Ricciardo and Piastri. Hadjar is doing ok in the lower level. Who knows at this point. Even RBR don't seem to.
russel rolling the dice again, hoping for safty car;. But 31 laps on those tires not to cleaver. belgian s track really fast so looky his tries didnt let go.
Thanks Marc, a very good summary of the season so far.
A pity for Sergio Perez, but he has alway suffered from Helmut Marko's bias against anyone other than Northern Europeans - Webber, Ricciardo against Vettel and Verstappen is history,.
Give Ricciardo a chance against Verstappen: he won't beat him, but he'll be a lot closer than Perez.
Russell, Norris and Perez all need help from a Sports Psychiatrist, they are suffering from self-doubt.
Hamilton has come back... good on him!
So glad to see that there were no TH-cam subtitles this time!
I wonder about Norris now, yes it has only been a couple of races and he is still ahead of Piastri but his team-mate has the win monkey off his back so his own doubt seems to have disappated. He got the win a lot sooner than Lando (admittedly in a car that is on a rapid development path) and that has to play on Norris' mind. Especially if like Oscar Lando is highly and openly critical of himself. I certainly hope that he does not drop in confidence as I would liek to see both pushing each other and the team to new heights.
Everyone else managed without tyre pick-up. BTW I’ve been to Spa for a few GPs and the lack of a victory lap is always a massive disappointment. They really don’t seem to value spectators there.
Tyre pick up isn't the reason the car was underweight, they just miscalculated.
Think Ricciardo should replace Perez for the rest of the '24 season. If he doesn't improve on Checo's performance, then he can be replaced at the start of 2025 (by perhaps Yuki, Lawson or Sainz), but think Sainz will not be offered the seat.
Love this, strolling around Your estate!
Piastri’s poor stop may have cost him a win
4.4 seconds vs 2.4
It didn't help, but I don't think it would have helped him win?
I just wonder why with his skills that Lando has so much trouble with the starts. I am not sure all of Perez's problems are his fault. Throughout the race he was complaining about the performance of the car. I understand why George was disqualified. I understand that the teams don't fill the cars up completely with fuel to save weight. But, why is that allowed? Why not require everyone to have a full tank?
The problem with replacing Perez is that currently the car is only competitive when it is setup for a very twitchy/sensitive front end and that's no problem for Max because his precision level is out of this world, while any other driver might struggle with it as evident in the past by Gasly and Albon. It might not make much difference with a new driver and it can even make things more complicated since he would not be that familiar with the car and could struggle with the car even more than Perez, resulting in Red Bull changing it's second driver more than once towards the end of the season.
hi the reason why RB are looking at danny ric to replace perez is danny's driving style is exactly the same as max's he had in the past given red bull the same feedback and his silverstone test last year would have put him on the front row with his time the fact is he can do no worst than perez the upside is he could help save them the constructors title thus the team get hefty bonuses if perez stays and RB lose the constructors title to mclaren then all the employees lose out money wise so it is more than justified to replace him looking at the big picture
many of the engineers that created the mercedes rocketship ,went to RB powertrains to create a new Rocket.
Sorry, but I am still struggling to understand why was Russel's car too light . My understanding is as follows. Please someone correct me if I have it wrong. From what I read, the car with its wheels on was above minimum weight. The wheels with tyres when removed from the car were weighed and were found to be compliant. The car weighed again without its wheels was above minimum weight. 1Kg of fuel was removed and the car was at or above minimum weight. The car was then drained of its remaining fuel and weighed again and it came in as being underweight. So if what I have written is correct, why is the car underweight? Do they not weigh them prior to race weekend? Has some physical item been removed or broken off? and if so which item. The more I think about this the more I confuse myself. Please be gentle with your replies 😬
I have now discovered another channel that has explained the reason as to why Russel's car was underweight and it apparently comes down to the additional wear on the tyres due to him only doing a one stop race plus the lack of rubber pick up as there was no warm down lap. If this is correct then it is a major mistake by both the team and Russel. Russel convincing the team to let him do a one stopper and of course the team with all their info should have been aware of the additional wear involved in such an attempt. No excuses! However, I am sure I also read somewhere that the wheels together with the tyres were weighed after having been removed from the car and they were compliant, So still a little bit of a mystery remaining.
Merc just cut it way too fine and got their weights wrong. They ballast the car to be just on the minimum weight and they miscalcultleted. The car uses oil and tyres ect during the race and they have to account for that.
Why would Merc allow Max to usurp Russel like that? After the seasons he struggled in that car? I don’t see Merc playing that silly game of getting Max now that they have a better car than RB and forgetting how Max celebrated robbing Lewis of his 8th chip? No way they do it like that.
Also, the Lando/Piastri situation from two weeks ago is almost like the Lewis/Russel situation from last week. Why didn’t Merc tell George to let Lewis past since Lewis had run such a good race? 🤔
Great scenery. Do you think though Russell now has the belief he can win?
Dani Ric is not a better proposition than Checo. Red Bull has a problem at both their teams. They need to sit down with Mark Webber and hatch a plan to poach Oscar...
There's definitely no obvious replacement, that's their issue.
I doubt very much that Mark Webber would ever let Piastri go to red bull.
Not picking up the marbles felt like a statement more than an oversight. I feel like George and his engineer were playing a game into something they don't have control over, gambling, the mafia within the FIA or something similar.
It wasn't the lack of marbles that was the oversight, it was under-ballasting the car!
@@F1Elvisthere seems to be alot of emphasis on him not being able to pick up marbles - is this new information of being under the ballast target?
Why are Lando's starts always so much worse than Oscar's? Is it a set-up problem?
I don't think his start was actually that bad, he just ran wide at turn 1
@@F1Elvis Oscar started a row behind and was already dead level before braking zone....
Lando used to think Max and Lewis win because of a faster car.
He is yet to convert any pole ro victory.
@@Chris-Oyemadont compare prime mercedez was much faster than the rest, prime red bull was much faster too, mclaren is the fastest car but by a small margin the 3 top teams end most race very close, a small mistake impacts all race much harder
@@flyingberserker3965indeed. The race was won on strategy. They could have all been there.
Has Red Bull also slowed down in the development of their car? why have other teams caught up? Is it because they are focusing on 2026? Is it because Newey won't be helping them as much as he would if he was staying?
When you start from such an extraordinarily high level, the potential gains are small, as apossed to McLaren and Mercedes who had massive potential unrealised until now.
@@F1Elvis thanks.
If George did pit, and thus having more rubber on his tyres, would he have made weight?
The compared the weight of his and Lewis’s tyre in Parc ferme after the race. It was in Ted’s Notebook on Sky. They gave Merc every chance.
What 1.5kg item(s) was in Lewis' car that wasn't in Russell's???
Perez, cemetary, oh the humanity!
Talking about Red Bull with cemetery behind 😱😅
The whole F1 scene starting to look like a soap opera evermore.
Is that good or bad?
@@F1Elvis Its entertaining..
Seems like DR is the only real option; RBR have been looking for someone close to Max since DR left in 2018 - and except for Checo there for a few years, they have failed. DR has been there before and has the experience; maybe a Hulkenberg would be good if they think its worth buying out his contract?
Really is a stupid rule to have a variable like tyre weight included in vehicle weight, should be a minimum weight with the wheels off and no fuel.
They do a drained weight.
As to the tyres: it's the same rules for everyone
I'm not that sure, if the wheels weren't included, immediately the engineers would start lowering the weight of the wheels to make the package as light as possible. Then the FIA would need to start weighing the wheels too and we're back on square one.
It's pretty easy to get it right, Merc just cocked it up today
This is a question I'd appreciate being answered: Why are cars with questionable weights like Russell's now weighed with some reference tyres given marginal weight differences?
~375g per corner isn't that inconceivable after such an extremely long stint. I understand that under the old regs, this would've been more difficult given that each team had their own wheel designs, but now it's a provided design across the grid, no?
I've always thought the same! Weighing with reference tires or without tires makes sense to me. And set a weight limit on the rims or something
At no point over the weekend can your car be under weight that’s why. So no you can’t have tyres that were never a racing tyre on for a weight reference.
Because rules are rules. You could use any number of variables to justify being underweight.
You can't use the full weight loss of the long stint wheel, you gotta compare it to a "normal" stint and only use the difference.
“Russell was definitely pushing at the end of the race in his bid to hold Hamilton back, so that is something that could have triggered higher than expected wear.” Pirelli head of F1 Mario Isola
Replacing Perez with an "also ran" like DR would be pathetic.
hes been there before, only other driver that has compared (and beaten) max
@@1greenMitsi when max was a rookie
literally anybody is better than Perez at this point
I had hoped Checko would have gotten his MoJo back by now but have come to the conclusion he has lost the neurological edge an F1 driver needs to have in order to be competitive. He understands what he needs to do but can't make his body perform at a high level. I suspect Danny Ric has the same problem.
Riccardo what a man he is un F1 driver and now he is going to Arsenal mabe the only man that can do both jobs great
Russell should have let Lewis passed. Instread he risked hitting him on the overtake and both going out or slowing lewis to lose both places to Oscar. Lando was awful to cause 1st Oscars win felt so horrible
My bad for not knowing that F1 would penalize a driver for taking a chance and brilliantly driving to preserve his tires for a one-stopper. They pretend to be so environmentally conscious - eco-fuel, hybrid electric, etc. - but force drivers to take on new rubber at the drop of a hat. (Example, late race switch to soft tires to get the fastest lap.). Just ridiculous.
Merc just made a mistake, that's all...
Agreed. I was just saying, that from a fan perspective, it makes no sense to penalize GR who drove a great race. And, while every pound or kilo counts, would 3.3 pounds be the difference at being able to keep Lewis at bay? I dunno. Maybe you could shed some light on that question. I thought a great race to watch was ruined. And, I’m a Lewis fan.
I will repeat this here. George’s car 1.5kg lighter than regs through the race. Which means he had better speed faster lap times and much better tire deg. Without having that advantage because it was and got disqualified for it I don’t see Geroge winning this race on merit.
I do.
Regarding Perez, it's not good enough and he's choked *WAY* too many times ... the outcome is inevitable, and sadly terribly late. That said, you may be overstating his race win prospects at Spa. The high downforce setup clearly held Red Bull back. It hurt Verstappen, also ... he wasn't exactly carving through the field. I doubt Perez could have held off the Mercedes or McLarens at the front, in any case.
Verstappen was in dirty air, Perez was at the front!
Daniel Ricciardo, no way...give someone else a chance...young blood.