WORST EVER?!? 243 Winchester Federal PowerShok 100gr PSP Ammo Test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ต.ค. 2023
- 243 Winchester Federal PowerShok 100 grain PSP ammo ballistics gel test fired from a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight Compact with 20 inch barrel.
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All shots are fired from a distance of 100 yards so as to encompass the majority of common real world hunting scenarios.
I will be shooting into 10% ballistics gel from www.clearballistics.com that has been calibrated to meet the FBI ballistics testing protocol.
While ballistics gel isn’t an exact proxy for big game, small game, predators or defensive situations, it does provide a repeatable medium through which to test various bullets and ammunitions against each other.
With each type of ammo tested I collect data on bullet penetration depth, bullet weight retention, bullet expansion and muzzle velocity.
For reference, bullet expansion is measured at the widest expanded point using a calibrated Frankford Arsenal Digital Caliper.
Bullet weight is measured using a calibrated Frankford Arsenal Digital Scale after having removed as much ballistics gel as possible from the expanded bullets.
Bullet velocity is measured using a ProChronoPal chronograph set approximately 7’ from the shooting bench.
I am fully aware that a chronograph measuring bullet velocity from 7’ away from the muzzle is going to register a slower velocity than if velocity were measured directly at the muzzle, but that difference is going to be so small as to be all but irrelevant in regards to comparison of actual measured velocity versus factory stated velocity.
My goal with these ballistics gel tests is to provide hunters like you and I with the most objective information possible to help us make the best choice for our particular hunting situation.
The results of these tests are my own and I cannot guarantee the same or similar performance on your part. The views and opinions expressed in this video are solely my own.
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My son just took his first deer with this exact ammo. By far the most accurate and consistent in his rifle. Can’t remember where I read it, but someone reached out to federal and they said the blue box is the exact same as their non typical, it’s just packaged differently to appeal to different markets.
I actually emailed Federal a couple days ago because my son used the non typical and they stopped making it. They told tell me it is the same round just a different box. So you are spot on.
Wow, I have recovered several of these same bullets from white tail deer with excellent results, perfect mushrooms. All deer shot with this dropped in it’s tracks. The rifle was a youth model 700 Remington. Thanks for your video.
I have used this load for many years out of my Marlin XS-7 rifle. That rifle has a 22" barrel and synthetic stock, with a 3x9 Leupold scope. The ammo is deadly on deer, accurate, widely available and cheap. No need to spend more money on something else.
Thanks. This is the first complaint I've heard from Federal Blue box.
Been having great performance out of this load in whitetail in MN. 20” barreled savage axis. All pass throughs and massive damage in the chest area. The loss of bullet weight may be causing this damage. Large exits.
Way back in the 80's i used a rem model 788 in 243 win with a 18.5" to take several deer. Broadside heart & lung shots with complete pass through with Winchester 100gr PowerPoints. Most dropped in their tracks. Enjoy all of your reviews
This stuff will certainly still do the job, just not a lot of room for iffy angles, I’ve used this same stuff and CoreLokt 100gr from this same model 70 compact to take several deer and with broadside shots tucked behind the shoulder blade it works just fine and exits on smallish east Texas deer, those all dropped or only went as far as a jolt of adrenaline would take them, that said I’ve taken some angling towards shots that didn’t exit, the deer still went down fairly quickly but little or no blood on some, one was in some thick woods and it went about 30 yards but it was surprisingly difficult to find, trails all which way and zero sign, had to grid search it and about tripped on the deer.
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather Agreed, my son shot a small buck with same rifle using a handloaded 90gr nosler ballistic tip. Hardly any blood trail, took us several hours grid searching to find it. No exit hole bullet came apart & fragmented. I'm glad we recovered the spiked buck as it was his first deer at age 12. Ended up being a memorable hunt because I tagged a nice 8pt also.
I have a remington 788 in 243 the shoots so good
@@masonoutdoors_masonleatheruse bonded or copper bullets and that won’t be a problem anymore
Been using federal power shock for years I love em deer hate em- had a pass through @ 250 yards- with a 25 yard tracking
Hit up Kentucky Ballistics for some “gently used” tables
My wife just used this load on her first deer she’s ever killed. Performance was good, he was heart shot from about 50-60 yards and ran about 15-20 yards before toppling over. We did catch the bullet, it was stuck in a far side rib bone/inner layer of skin. It did expand well. the lead core was loosened from the jacket enough that we could pop the jacket off and back on the core. We washed it off, and made a necklace that incorporates the empty brass and the copper jacket as you could still stick the copper jacket back in the brass. A pretty cool souvenir for her. I’d say any 100 gr. Typical Soft point will do the job on a whitetail
That’s a pretty cool way to commemorate the hunt!
@@masonoutdoors_masonleatherindeed, not to mention I got a shoulder mount for her, expensive for a small 6 point but worth it as it was her first. Actually just recently got it back from the taxidermist, it looks great
I use the winchester 100 grain power points with excellent performance and accuracy.
Hey Mason I tried these in my Winches featherweight .270 and it put three into a thumbnail group touching. Thanks for sharing!
Great video!
Awesome video and great deer getters
These have worked wonderfully for me on Oregon and Washington Blacktails and big Mulies.. plus a few bears.
I've been working my own loads in .243 for my old Ruger M77, but I use this exact ammo for general zeroing in/target practice because it's on the cheap and more available side.
That being said, it consistently throws 0.6" groups at 100 yards.
I took my first deer with this exact load. 75 yards. Hit the heart and both lungs and ripped the heart in half and took a nasty chunk out of both lungs. Went all the way through, exit was about little over an inch squared. Ruined the exit side shoulder (my fault) and dropped dead. It’s effective for sure.
WHAAAAAT??? Perhaps Federal could reengineer this load to be up to par with their other power shok products? After seeing your results I'll stick with 95 grain fusion. Thanks again.
They sort of did the opposite. In other words, they used a different 100 grain soft point in this “243B” Power Shok load 3 or 4 years ago. I’ve taken a deer with the older version. Not sure if the older 100grain soft point was discontinued or what. A lot of their stuff comes from Speer, but I’m not sure if it all does.
Thank you
**IMPORTANT TO NOTE** Federal changed the 100 grain soft point bullet in the blue box Power Shok ammo approximately 3 or 4 years ago, despite the Federal model number remaining 243B. I am 100% certain, as I own both versions. I have shot a deer broadside in the lungs with the older version. I have not shot a deer with the new soft point. Both versions are outstandingly accurate in four 243’s I own. One is a 77RL Hawkeye (20” bbl), and three 700’s (one is an RR from 2018 and the other two are RAR serials 2022 and 2023; these 700’s have a 24” bbl).
If someone used Federal Power Shok 243B’s, it would be helpful to know when they were purchased. The older blue boxes had a different design than the new one with the tent.
Great video AS ALWAYS, and keep up the excellent work! Love these tests!
Good note, and I’ve found all Federal Blue Box to be very accurate stuff
Whelp, I'm glad to see this video! I am doing some ammo testing with my new .243, and this is one of the rounds I bought. I did use this stuff in my .308 a couple of years ago, and it worked well at about 75 yards. I have the Federal Fusion and Remington Core-Lokt purchased also. I am hoping the Barnes TTSX shoots well cause that is what I will use if so. I love the copper bullets.
243 Fusion test coming tomorrow 👍🏼
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather I'll be here to watch it. I have enjoyed your efforts and can't wait to see what you add in the future.
I would go with fusion if they group well. A very tough bonded bullet!
As a kid I shot a Remington Mohawk 660 18 1/2 barrel, then in high school switched to a .300wm 180g federal classic, @ .75 moa i never did tryout any other bullets, love those federal blue box
After I shoot up my Norma whitetail 130 in my featherweight 270 it back to the blue.
It kinda gives me the red A$$ that ammunition manufacturers fudge the numbers on fps when 90% of guns are
I think a lot of factories deliberately throttle down their ammunition. It's interesting, if you get a hold of military surplus or ammunition intended for Law enforcement the velocities are as advertised. I've actually tested this. I have a .308 BDL Remington 700. I fired Lake City m-80 ball, 7.62x51mm from it, I got the s the 2800 fps from a 147gr fmj. I also tested 5.56x45 from my CZ 527 M193 ball got 3200 fps. I compared it civilian hunting loads in .308 and .223 billed velocities were on average 100 to 250 fps slower than their military counterparts. Same with Law enforcement ammunition. If you want billed velocities start handloading. Also do the recommended barrel break in procedures that helps too. I believe there's a reason why this happens. One, military and law enforcement agencies needs require their ammunition to meet different specifications. Two, it needs to work, and it needs to go bang every time. With hunting ammunition, these things are not as important. There's a lot more inconsistency. They do this to cut cost as well. As we saw with some of your videos, hunting ammunition does have the tendency to fragment, especially cup and core bullets, even at these reduced velocities. Factories deliberately make jackets thinner for bullets as a cost cutting measure. I believe a thicker jacket can help with cup and core separation. That brings us up to another reason why factory ammunition is deliberately throttled down. The higher the velocities, the higher the likelihood these bullets won't perform. If you take a 30 - or 40 year old box of ammunition assuming it's stored properly, you do get pretty darn close to billed velocities. I had an old box of 150gr federal American eagle advertised velocities were again 2850 fps. I was getting anywhere from 2785fps to 2845fps. Do a test of 7.62x51mm M-80 ball you'll see what I'm talking about. I'm just sharing the results I got and my hypothesis on why modern factory ammunition is slower.
I want a cup and core bullet to shed weight inside the animal. Thanks for showing the Power Point is working as intended.
I've had good luck with Remington core lokt in my Ruger 243
Low velocity, but if you bumped it up to 2950-ish that bullet would coe apart. But as it is, it'd kill whitetails pretty well I guess.
Exactly, handload 100gr spbt w r22 I easily get that 2950 in a 22in rifle same Winchester m70 way better punch and energy is way up too this load is spot on for the caliber
Been killing deer with blue box and corlokts for 30 years but my shot are less that 150 ydrs. My weatherby has 24 in barrel
Very glad you are doing .243 testing, curious to see more of them to see if there any men among the boys so to speak . I prefer other calibers in the lower recoil range than this one ,but thats mainly because my shot distance is 125 yards or less and i can go lower velocity /bigger bullet . Maybe I might change my mind if something performs consistently better than those so far without going all copper.
There are a couple good ones in the pipeline 👍🏼
I plan on deer hunting with mine in a xbolt hunter shooting 90gr eldx over 43 grains of h4350
Awesome energy dump.
They shoot great out of my BLR
You should do more research, Winchester uses a 1in10 twist rate in their rifles chambered in .243 therefore the 80 grain bullet would provide better results I feel. They drove tacs out of my model 70 featherweight compact.
I had a h/r handy rife in 243win. It shot grey box Winchester 100grn was over 3000fps
The reason why the ammunition is not getting the velocities is because they must perform in semi automatic rifles. Only bolt and single shot rifles can take the maximum loads. This is exactly why my reloading manuals list the medium loads for lever, pump, and semi automatic rifles.
That was disappointing, can you do 243 Fusion and Barnes to see what they can do? Thanks for the great videos!!!
Fusion coming tomorrow, Barnes eventually
What was disappointing? 16 inches and large wound channel.
So head shots it is 😂
Not sure if you knew it or not, but your .243 videos are not appearing in the published column only the playlist column. Great video tho! I've used a .243 about 4 times. No complaints heart and lung make clean ethical work. I used a Winchester power max super X 100gr PHP. However I had multiple malfunctions with the ammunition, failures to fire mostly. When it did work, it was very effective. I switched to federal tho for quality control. Has always good work!
The ones I’ve made public are in the published column, the others are unlisted so that I can give early access to Patreon, I added them to the playlist when I uploaded though so I guess they can be found there too ahead of time.
This would be a good load for a predator like a wolf or coyote.
I also think it would be ok for 2 legged predators.
I want at least 20” for deer.
Try the true and tested 100 grain Remington Core Locts.
50%, 16 inches, and 200+ fps below advertised? 😵💫 I use this ammo for plinking and a source of brass. And I use this ammo to reload with 80 gr. TTSX's at 3400 fps. It's the best I can do considering their Premium lines are next to impossible to find around here.
Damnit!! I just sighted my 6.5 creedmoor and my wife’s .243 in with this exact same ammo today! 100 grain for the .243 and 140 for 6.5 creedmoor
you’re still gonna kill any deer you find yourself coming across, just be aware of how the bullet performs.. wait for them to be broadside and don’t try getting cheeky with these bullets and take hard quartering shots, cause it could be a long night followed by a lot of regret
I’ve taken deer with this ammo, it does make one pause for a good broadside shot (which is never a bad thing) however. It tends to be very accurate, that said, for 243 I am switching to Fusion going forward.
Just watching your videos (just finished the 243 fusion video). For your table, depending on how portable you need it, what about 2 sawhorses and a piece of plywood? You would probably only need a 4 foot board
I’ve actually made a new table as of current, but I can confirm wood of any kind makes a huge mess as soon as any bullet strikes it, gets all over the gel, I need a steel table
That blew to pieces more than even hornady interlock 100 gn kept 65 grains straight into a solid plastic oil container full of water which is much harder than gel.
It’s not such a poor performer, it is as you say cup and core , Speer 100gr spbt, typical for a longer range bullet which is softer and will reliably expand at 200 plus yards. Not sure what distance your gels are but if they are in a 50y range some fragmentation is normal and even desirable for a massive wounding, I load this myself to advertised velocity and it’s a really good load I use r22 and Speer 100gr to replicate advertised load
My Ruger has a 22 inch barrel it's pretty close to what you just got
Disappointing ballistics, but I’m know you could kill a pronghorn buck at about 200 yards since a buddies daughter did.
A longer barrel would probably blow that bullet up bad.
That being said as it performed for you I’d call it good deer medicine out to 300 yards.
I’d want more retention on black bear or bigger northern bucks 300lb plus deer.
My young cousin got his first black bear last week with 243 and 100 gr core lokt. No bullet recovery, full pass through at 155 yards.
Thanks for doing all these videos. Great content.
Glad to be of service! Indeed, I’ve used this exact ammo and Corelokt 100gr both successfully on smallish east Texas deer. It works fine for what it is, but it does give me pause on shot angles and I’d certainly want a bit more weight retention if going after bears specifically or bigger deer.
@@masonoutdoors_masonleathervery good point about shot angles…they aren’t always broadside
Negative on the longer barrel blowing up the bullet- that has nothing to do it- the longer barrel -has everything to do with better velocity
26 inch barrel what company s base speed on. But a great coyote bullet. They are tack driver in my Remington 243 22 inch barrel. What more you want shoot ballistic bullets check core weight a lot less.
Hydoshock Don't sell it short. This load Is dumping it a little faster
Starting the video, comment to help you out......have other comments at the end
Have you considered placing a piece of denim or leather over the end of the ballistic gel to simulate skin?
It’s not going to simulate skin, it’ll simulate denim or leather. I keep these tests as objective as possible so as to compare bullet performance against other bullet performance, not to simulate exactly what they’d do on game, because the only way to come close to that would be to lineup a bunch of deer and start blasting.
The people that add things to simulate other things aren’t conducting an objective test, it’s nonsense gimmickery without much thought.
Not to come off harsh, but I’ve had enough people comment that same thing and the facts need to be set straight.
Are ya still having problems with that bolt being way too smooth on the first safety position?
Right on par with the 300 blk OTM 🤣
Id like to you do 308 win
Not the best for sure. It would still be effective on whitetail if that is what folk have. Thank you.
Federal has always been off as long as I have been around it, it showed up around here in the early 60’s
I think some are Speer hot core bullets
they USED to be, now the only one that they still use a hot-cor in is the .300 win mag loading, if i remember correctly. pretty sure it even says right on the box “loaded with speer bullets” i shoot hand loaded hot-cors, and this is definitely not one.. it’s also definitely not a fusion, because the fusion is just speers gold dot bonded soft-point without the nitride finish
Im a little surprised really. I really expected better. But the short carbine barrels really do suck the life out of a . 243 badly. Those numbers are very . 250 Savage like when 100 grain bullets are used. All the negatives aside, it still will kill deer like you said. Just dont push it on weird angles and long ranges.
From time to time, during deer season, I pull one of my all-time favorite lever guns out of the safe. It's an old .250-3000 (as marked on the barrel) Savage 99. I found early on that my particular rifle likes 100grn bullets and despite it's antique status will drop a deer or large hog where they stand. Like the .250 (-3000) Savage the .243 does not, in my opinion at least, get the attention or credit they deserve because so many hunters have been programed to believe that if their rifles are not chambered in at least .270 or one of the more recent "wizz bang" cartridges they are under gunned in the hunting fields.
@@rodneyconover4170 As a matter of fact the barrel of my '99 is 24". Thanks for your kind replies!
Purely speculation, but I have been seeing a lot of 6mm bullets from otherwise reliable product lines not handle game or gel test well. And this makes me wonder if it’s actually harder to manufacture lead core 6mm and smaller hunting dedicated bullets. Like I said, it’s just speculation.
The smaller something gets the harder it is to make, absolutely a viable conclusion
You what s crazy in I have tge cheapest Remington 770 243 win and I shoot Federal Power Shok 80 grain and there tack drivers in that rifle. 1and 9 twist.
Makes a better coyote load than deer.
I humidity disagree. although weight retention not great, expansion ,penetration ideal for deer . better bullets to choose from, absolutely. but in proper perspective not a failure either. papa wishing you well 😊
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Do you remelt your gel?
Yes
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather thanks.
I'm surprised how slow all the 243 rounds you have tested. Less than 1700 ft lbs is kind of pathetic. Barely a hair more powerful than 7.62x39
Unless you handload most factory ammo comes in well under the published velocity.
Published velocity isn't developed in real world firearms and barrel lengths. I would hope more and more people would come to understand this. Maybe if enough of the customer base would squawk and cry to the manufacturer, we'd get published data that is actually meaningful, rather than fairy tale status.
his barrel is slow even for a 20 inch
Federal blue box is trash for everything except 12 gauge. I had a few boxes of this stuff for 308 and 12 out of 20 rounds the bullet just fell out of the casings.
Never experienced anything like that with it across several calibers and hundreds of boxes. Anything can happen though.
Please do not compare any more
With that rifle don't think about getting any accurate loads