That was a new one for me. But I can't say I'm surprised. Plato had humanity pretty well understood. And we haven't changed as much as we'd like to think, since his day.
Plato is also the inspiration for the Islamic Republic of Iran. With the priests as the philospher King's. Plus I wouldn't give the greek philosophers too much credit. There teachings of the 4 humours stagnated Western medicine for 2000 years.
@@Craig121000 A pretence that history can be reframed in the image of race and social justice issues. It is of course a lie and a betrayal of those it pretends to represent. Dr Starkey can out-debate the best of wokists with facts, wit, and humility. A potent opponent for the narrow-minded idiots who identify as 'woke'.
Let's just be very grateful for the likes of David. The amount of utter nonsense out there is doing its best to drown out reality, and we must not let it do so.
People that tell me I'm a slave owner, have simply no idea of the levels of poverty in England just 50 or so years ago. Essentially, it was the ruling elite, or landed gentry who had slaves. Most people were dirt poor. It's kind of insulting.
This has always been my argument. My ancestors were agricultural labourers, families of 10 in a tied cottage, the workhouse when they were too old to work any more. Such luxury! Not slaves but lifelong servants.
@@joybailey6186 yes, so the idea that those "lifelong servants" are themselves now being framed as "slave owners", shows a deep confusion, or willful ignorance, or outright insanity.
And then he’ll be on Odysee, Rumble, Locals, Bitchute, all of which are growing exponentially; if IdiotTube don’t like it they can throw their toys out of the pram! Their cancel culture is backfiring on them now……we’re winning!
I wish the day could return to when woke, just meant I went to sleep and woke up. Now I imagine some SJW thinking they're cool saying let's woke up. For me personally at nearly 40. The worst part about getting old is seeing how far we keep falling. Putin said we're imploding and I've said the same for years. In today world, only way to keep sane is ignorance bliss.
They do not identify them self as woke. That was a term that got used in a very loose way several years ago but then started to become more of a label. Most of these people are Marxists some are just emotionally drive with no real central ideology. Those that are in control are really Marxists who will not even call them self a Marxist.
He used to get up my nose, but he's a very knowledgeable historian and I found his YT channel from the beginning to be quite palatable. His casual asides, like "all bad ideas are French", are, while opinion rather than hard fact, very amusing!
U.S. Democrat /Marxists started it all , well , pushed along by the CCP of course with their Confucius Institutes . That's where these violent Marxists of Antifa and BLM came from . It is amazing what damage the the Squad in Congress have done in such a short time .
David speaks so sensibly. People need to take note. As a Brit, I can't believe People want to obliterate history when history has enabled Britain to become (probably) the most tolerable on earth. Leave history as it happened learn not to repeat the atrocities.
The day the relatives of tribal chiefs who actualy rounded of poor natives to become slave apologise, I just might sympathise with the WOK zealots. Fat chance and they never will be expected to
26 academics have been made redundant at the university of Leicester for engaging in critical research. In one case, someone was fired for publishing an article in a journal with critical in the title. Why does this never get mentioned but Stock, who resigned, is the focus of attention?
@@Craig121000 Pretentious identity politics from the left wing. The kind of people who think so little of Black people, that they believe they can't obtain an ID card to comply with voting laws. Seems a bit racist to me, but they'll claim everyone else is the problem Meanwhile they'll claim that trying to be 'Colourblind', the principle Martin Luther King campaigned upon in the American civil rights movement, is racist. They'll claim they're on the right side of history. I. E. They're illogically continuing on a line of belief that is indistinguishable from being in a cult. I could go on, but I'll just get more annoyed.
@@Craig121000 You're going along this line of accusation? Really. Social justice is not justice. It's different forms of treatments for different groups. If sexual abuse is sexual abuse, as it is under the law, then it should be reported to the police and dealt with the same as anything else. Yknow, how its always been. Women in the UK can't be convicted of rape, and I think that is stupid, because the victims still exist. If lesbians are complaining they're being pressured into sex from trans people are they transphobic? And this should shut up in the name of diversity? Have you noticed that is the companies that say the things that you want to hear, that typically have the worst track records of abuse? Blizzard entertainment, wizards of the coast and paizo are all very progressive companies One rule for them, one rule for us, is the form of blind ignorance often seen in social justice. I'm for justice, and due punishments for anyone who breaks the rules. I am not for group rights, I'm for standards for the individual. By acting as you are, you're showing you've never truly interrogated what your 'opposition' really believes. You've never looked outside of the progressive bubble with a fair view. I understand you want 'inclusivity', but the way the progressive lobby bully and demand group right treatment, such as quotas is not the way to engender trust between the groups, it's a way to engender hatred. And there's nothing wrong with accessibility. There never has been, disabled assistance is a necessary thing. They have a physical impairment, of course you've got to produce disabled parking, elevators for access etc. This is a physical change that can allow these people to work. It's nothing to do with social behaviours.
The term you are looking for, is "magical thinking" or "medieval" that's how you make extra-ordinary links between things that happen independently , to create a story of causation (one thing is causing another). But, we know since " the enlightenment" that correlation is NOT causation.
The idea that history could be re-written in your image is incredibly compelling. However, it is weak minded. I like more the idea of creating my own future, in the present.
The point is it is neither truthful nor intelligent. People know truth from revisionism; hence the modern left is determined to 'cancel' and stifle debate. Instead, it uses fear to intimidate its detractors. This is 1930s Germany and the early stages of fascism.
When Pepys had his operation for ‘the stone’ his surgeon washed his equipment using warm cows milk! 😮. The survival rate was of course very low. Pepys lived to 70 years of age. He kept the stone in a jar and would celebrate the anniversary of the operation with a dinner party each year.
Revisionism has been going on for hundreds of years, Isacc Newton wrote about it in his time. Imagine what history we have lost since then. Remember that history is written by the victors not necessarily the better party.
Oh yes indeed. Which is why it's so important to get primary evidence when you can. I remember when we studied Richard III. All the 'wicked hunch back' stuff came from much later. People writing in his own time painted someone a lot more believable.
I've almost been interested in history. With the emergence of wokeism, the genuine study of history is now of existential importance. So many of the younger generation seem to live in a permanent present and no desire to be otherwise.
It'll be storm troopers guarding the doors to places of education soon, and I'm not talking about Star Wars, I mean the other storm troopers. 'Lightning Woke'--Blitz-Voke.
How did this happen? Of you don't know, read into the Frankfurt School, and the leading (jewish) figures who spread their ideas around the USA. This has been brewing for hundreds of years, it's not a recent thing.
I'm definitely not a fascist, but I'm not in the least surprised that a fascist would be a poet. The essence of fascism is romanticism. We have 'values' fascism has 'virtues'.
@@NoFaceOrGun The fasci movement was a socialist movement. The Nazi's were not facists and were a different socialist movement. People today use the term Fascism to mean tyrannical or oppressive.
@@NoFaceOrGun Mussolini formed the national fascist party but did not start the fasci movement. The Fascists were bad when it came to actions around WW2 but they were nowhere near to the level of the Nazi's.
The terminology used by these people is utterly inane. They tell us we need to 're-educate' or 're-learn' or 'un-learn' our every day behaviour and to 'de-colonise' our way of thinking!! This has, unfortunately, seeped into the STEM areas of academia as I can attest. To be fair, this terminology is not strictly an untruth as to believe what they espouse we do have to suspend all our previous attained truths and logic.
So in general being english in the 18th century was as bad as chattel slavery? So being a king was the same as being a chattel slave? False comparison, stupid argument.
Any channel by David Starkey is for me , the Wokists fear him because he's not afraid of them and tells the truth like it is . BRAVO David !
You've ruined my lunch with the silly spaces before the full stop and exclamation mark.
In
Obviously he is Right!
He’s way tooooo intelligent for them ..
he speaks in facts they speak in feelings ..
Agreed!
David Starkey is a pleasure to listen to
Unlike Ian Collins.
David Starkey is a national treasure.
In my vocabulary, a rejection of reality is called delusion or fantasy - take your pick.
Let's have millions of thumbs up for David Starkey.
100% subscribed David is a brilliant historian
Me too. The man is a national treasure.
@@Musical_Man_Guitar David is the past 😂😂😂😂😂
He’s a walking encyclopaedia, love him.
David Starkey is a boss
@Mark Smith He was a libertarian
@@josh9973 Libertarianism is not a part of the 'woke' vocabulary. You realise this, I presume?
@@hittitecharioteer yes?
@@josh9973 In what library?
If they accuse you of being a transphobe, counter with they are a pragmatophobe, and you have effectively cancelled each other out.
A man is a man, is the truth that cannot be denied. The same goes with a woman.
I've subscribed so fast I nearly spilled my coffee.
Spilt
@@fionagregory9376 'Spilt' is American English, Fiona. I'm English English.
David is such a joy to listen to.
The cave analogy by Plato is spot on
That was a new one for me. But I can't say I'm surprised. Plato had humanity pretty well understood. And we haven't changed as much as we'd like to think, since his day.
Plato is also the inspiration for the Islamic Republic of Iran. With the priests as the philospher King's.
Plus I wouldn't give the greek philosophers too much credit. There teachings of the 4 humours stagnated Western medicine for 2000 years.
Being woke is putting your hands in your ears and refusing to listen to reason.
@@Craig121000 A pretence that history can be reframed in the image of race and social justice issues. It is of course a lie and a betrayal of those it pretends to represent.
Dr Starkey can out-debate the best of wokists with facts, wit, and humility. A potent opponent for the narrow-minded idiots who identify as 'woke'.
@@Craig121000 Presumably wokism is whatever you identify it to be.
It's a anti White ideology
@@Craig121000 The weaponisation of pity.
@@Craig121000 Your victim card wins this debate. Top marks. 👍🏻
Let's just be very grateful for the likes of David. The amount of utter nonsense out there is doing its best to drown out reality, and we must not let it do so.
David is the past 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@washingtongarden4078 You've just proven my contentions about nonsense and reality.
He is a proper national treasure. Direct and painfully honest.
People that tell me I'm a slave owner, have simply no idea of the levels of poverty in England just 50 or so years ago.
Essentially, it was the ruling elite, or landed gentry who had slaves. Most people were dirt poor.
It's kind of insulting.
Or we were servants back in Edwardian times, and white too.
How can you compare England 50 years ago to slavery!
@@washingtongarden4078 I'm not. I am saying it is retarded to suggest that somebody who is dirt poor, was a slave owner.
This has always been my argument. My ancestors were agricultural labourers, families of 10 in a tied cottage, the workhouse when they were too old to work any more. Such luxury! Not slaves but lifelong servants.
@@joybailey6186 yes, so the idea that those "lifelong servants" are themselves now being framed as "slave owners", shows a deep confusion, or willful ignorance, or outright insanity.
David Starkey Talks is an interesting channel. Worth subscribing!
Bring it on David, we need more truth and less of the BS it starts with the education in our country.
I'm guessing the TH-cam commissar will have the channel taken down at some point as it will not conform to THEIR community rules.
And then he’ll be on Odysee, Rumble, Locals, Bitchute, all of which are growing exponentially; if IdiotTube don’t like it they can throw their toys out of the pram! Their cancel culture is backfiring on them now……we’re winning!
I really hope that he backs up on rumble or another one of the Free speech platforms.
I wish the day could return to when woke, just meant I went to sleep and woke up. Now I imagine some SJW thinking they're cool saying let's woke up. For me personally at nearly 40. The worst part about getting old is seeing how far we keep falling. Putin said we're imploding and I've said the same for years. In today world, only way to keep sane is ignorance bliss.
They do not identify them self as woke. That was a term that got used in a very loose way several years ago but then started to become more of a label.
Most of these people are Marxists some are just emotionally drive with no real central ideology. Those that are in control are really Marxists who will not even call them self a Marxist.
i could listen to David Starkey all day...
He used to get up my nose, but he's a very knowledgeable historian and I found his YT channel from the beginning to be quite palatable. His casual asides, like "all bad ideas are French", are, while opinion rather than hard fact, very amusing!
An experienced academic with a side of cheeky schoolboy.
Brilliant chat!. Thank you both. Already subscribed to David's channel
"How did this happen?"....
By the determination or extreme will of someone or a group of people. How else can the fall of our society happen so fast?
U.S. Democrat /Marxists started it all , well , pushed along by the CCP of course with their Confucius Institutes . That's where these violent Marxists of Antifa and BLM came from . It is amazing what damage the the Squad in Congress have done in such a short time .
Dr Starkey. Top man.
I know it's a cliché,
but the phrase "those who forget history, are condemned to repeat it"
is ringing in my head like tinnitus right now.
@@Craig121000 yes mate
Absolutely right Mark !
An all to rare voice of sensible common sense and integrity.
David Starkey.the savoiur of our history and culture. If only there were more like him in the academic world.
Unfortunately for you this guy is the past 😂😂😂😂😂
@@washingtongarden4078 if you are the future then society is doomed.
Glad Starkey is back.
David speaks so sensibly. People need to take note. As a Brit, I can't believe People want to obliterate history when history has enabled Britain to become (probably) the most tolerable on earth. Leave history as it happened learn not to repeat the atrocities.
'Woke' is the behaviour of bad-tempered toddlers.
I'll have the toddlers any day. With the right approach you can get through a tantrum. And they're much more fun to spend time with.
I remember Ian Collins from talksport 25 years ago, still a class act. David Starkey is without question a national treasure.
I'm glad he continues to speak out; I'm seriously afraid for the future of our society.
Love David Starkey well done talk radio.
Pumped!! So glad to have him back on the mike!!
Refreshing to hear mr starkey, more please .
I agree totally David and thanks for your channel.
The day the relatives of tribal chiefs who actualy rounded of poor natives to become slave apologise, I just might sympathise with the WOK zealots. Fat chance and they never will be expected to
A Collins and Starkey duo... the thinking man's Morecambe and Wise., Love 'em
David Starkey is a national treasure
26 academics have been made redundant at the university of Leicester for engaging in critical research. In one case, someone was fired for publishing an article in a journal with critical in the title. Why does this never get mentioned but Stock, who resigned, is the focus of attention?
Love this guy 🙌🏻
wow such a clever man
Still not on Rumble. That is a mistake.
Agreed, his days are numbered by the TH-cam moral majority.
The woke can all go play with umbrellas in traffic.
@@Craig121000
Pretentious identity politics from the left wing. The kind of people who think so little of Black people, that they believe they can't obtain an ID card to comply with voting laws.
Seems a bit racist to me, but they'll claim everyone else is the problem
Meanwhile they'll claim that trying to be 'Colourblind', the principle Martin Luther King campaigned upon in the American civil rights movement, is racist.
They'll claim they're on the right side of history.
I. E. They're illogically continuing on a line of belief that is indistinguishable from being in a cult.
I could go on, but I'll just get more annoyed.
@@Craig121000 You're going along this line of accusation? Really.
Social justice is not justice. It's different forms of treatments for different groups.
If sexual abuse is sexual abuse, as it is under the law, then it should be reported to the police and dealt with the same as anything else. Yknow, how its always been. Women in the UK can't be convicted of rape, and I think that is stupid, because the victims still exist.
If lesbians are complaining they're being pressured into sex from trans people are they transphobic? And this should shut up in the name of diversity?
Have you noticed that is the companies that say the things that you want to hear, that typically have the worst track records of abuse?
Blizzard entertainment, wizards of the coast and paizo are all very progressive companies
One rule for them, one rule for us, is the form of blind ignorance often seen in social justice.
I'm for justice, and due punishments for anyone who breaks the rules. I am not for group rights, I'm for standards for the individual.
By acting as you are, you're showing you've never truly interrogated what your 'opposition' really believes. You've never looked outside of the progressive bubble with a fair view.
I understand you want 'inclusivity', but the way the progressive lobby bully and demand group right treatment, such as quotas is not the way to engender trust between the groups, it's a way to engender hatred.
And there's nothing wrong with accessibility. There never has been, disabled assistance is a necessary thing. They have a physical impairment, of course you've got to produce disabled parking, elevators for access etc. This is a physical change that can allow these people to work. It's nothing to do with social behaviours.
Starkey. National treasure
Marvellous Stuff, but how long before YouToob (For any American watcher’s) eradicate his channel?
Great channel, thank you!
It is truly frightening
The term you are looking for, is "magical thinking" or "medieval"
that's how you make extra-ordinary links between things that happen independently , to create a story of causation (one thing is causing another).
But, we know since " the enlightenment" that correlation is NOT causation.
David is the last of a kind
Yuri Bezmenov tells exacrly how they did it and why they're doing it
Starkers....a rare sensible voice in an insensible world.
I think I will now and forever more refer to the internet as Plato's Cave....
The idea that history could be re-written in your image is incredibly compelling.
However, it is weak minded.
I like more the idea of creating my own future, in the present.
The point is it is neither truthful nor intelligent. People know truth from revisionism; hence the modern left is determined to 'cancel' and stifle debate. Instead, it uses fear to intimidate its detractors. This is 1930s Germany and the early stages of fascism.
@@hittitecharioteer yes, we are dealing with fascism. It's wearing different garb.
a sensible man, with sensible views, He needs to be in charge of everything.
The Man’s a legend
I checked his new channel every day for a video!
When Pepys had his operation for ‘the stone’ his surgeon washed his equipment using warm cows milk! 😮. The survival rate was of course very low. Pepys lived to 70 years of age. He kept the stone in a jar and would celebrate the anniversary of the operation with a dinner party each year.
I love Sir Starkey
This man knows the truth
Don't forget Blighty is the land that stuck a poppy on Cookie Monster... fact
Is woke culture a "rejection of reality"?
Pleasure.
Revisionism has been going on for hundreds of years, Isacc Newton wrote about it in his time. Imagine what history we have lost since then. Remember that history is written by the victors not necessarily the better party.
Oh yes indeed. Which is why it's so important to get primary evidence when you can. I remember when we studied Richard III. All the 'wicked hunch back' stuff came from much later. People writing in his own time painted someone a lot more believable.
Such a brilliant mind
I've almost been interested in history. With the emergence of wokeism, the genuine study of history is now of existential importance. So many of the younger generation seem to live in a permanent present and no desire to be otherwise.
YOU TUBE WILL CANCEL HIM
If these people were interested in facts the woke lunacy wouldn't exist.
Could the sound on Mr Starkey be increased slightly please?
Well done auld boy bravo
It'll be storm troopers guarding the doors to places of education soon, and I'm not talking about Star Wars, I mean the other storm troopers. 'Lightning Woke'--Blitz-Voke.
Why haven't you posted a link to Dr Starkey's YT channel - or even its title to search for?
David Starkey Talks
This national treasure has his own TH-cam channel. Make sure you subscribe!
i identify as a cat....someone should take care of me and give me treats.
I identify as a cat, too. :)
I'm a human transgender cat.
@@riverdonoghue9992 that must be why i'm having trouble seeing your picture! All the best to you!!
Added and joined the Channel!! 😆
How long before he is shadow banned, suspended or deplatformed by TH-cam? I suspect the keyboard warriors are hard at work.
How did this happen? Of you don't know, read into the Frankfurt School, and the leading (jewish) figures who spread their ideas around the USA. This has been brewing for hundreds of years, it's not a recent thing.
wokeness is the natural progression of liberalism. No liberalism no woke
Let's see how long TH-cam allow it.
I'm definitely not a fascist, but I'm not in the least surprised that a fascist would be a poet. The essence of fascism is romanticism. We have 'values' fascism has 'virtues'.
Fascism is socialism.
@@bighands69 with French/Italian characteristics
@@NoFaceOrGun
The fasci movement was a socialist movement. The Nazi's were not facists and were a different socialist movement.
People today use the term Fascism to mean tyrannical or oppressive.
@@bighands69 I'm applying Mussolinis definition of fascism here but I get your point.
@@NoFaceOrGun
Mussolini formed the national fascist party but did not start the fasci movement. The Fascists were bad when it came to actions around WW2 but they were nowhere near to the level of the Nazi's.
Trans people go back in history, David should know this.
The terminology used by these people is utterly inane. They tell us we need to 're-educate' or 're-learn' or 'un-learn' our every day behaviour and to 'de-colonise' our way of thinking!! This has, unfortunately, seeped into the STEM areas of academia as I can attest. To be fair, this terminology is not strictly an untruth as to believe what they espouse we do have to suspend all our previous attained truths and logic.
Once the word ‘woke’ was co-opted and bastardised by the usual suspect, we stopped using it.
I'd go gay for Dave
I blame the Frankfurt School for the current woke disaster.
David should recognise the part women have played in this stupidity!
England’s finest.
It's about obliterating deomcracy.
I will be going to the bank on monday and demanding that they give me a million pounds because I now identify as a millionaire.
Wtf is wrong with the audio? Why are they whispering??
Nice that woke is at is end
Interesting how conservatives love citing plato when he's the inspiration for the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Same about thatcher ding dong the wicked witch is dead..
When the boomers are gone heaven help us.
I like Starkey, but Collins is just a pure MSM shill.
the far right talking about realitty commedy gold
Far right? You've just perfectly illustrated everything he is talking about.
We do not live in mud huts and we invented the wheel.
the Israelis are rather upset....Meta is almost the same as the Hebrew word for dead.
Or later in modern Greek .
@@paulcastle1718 COOL! all the best to you!!
So in general being english in the 18th century was as bad as chattel slavery? So being a king was the same as being a chattel slave? False comparison, stupid argument.
Haaaaaa.some sanity.😄