My MIRV Torpedo's intent is to have a standard torpedo that has near the penetration potential of a quantum without the need to modify the launcher for quantum. The setup of the modified torpedo involves a pod that is attached to a torpedo that contains 6 micro torpedoes arrayed around a control/sensor module and a proximity detector. When the enhanced torpedo gets to within three meters of a detectable shield it fires off the salvo of micro torps with the intended effect of over-taxing the shields in that grid area so that the rest of the following torpedo might be able to sail on through. These enhanced torpedoes may also be useful against armored ships once their shields are down. Yes, without modification a starship would be firing one less torpedo in a spread, but if the enhanced penetrative & destructive potential of said spread is elevated then the tradeoff should be worth firing one less torpedo. As for the potential for missing, that's going to stand a chance of happening no matter what you're shooting.
@@matheuscerqueira7952 the pod that the Micro torps are fired from is still attached to the front of the standard photon torp, thus providing a bit of a material buffer before it impacts. I figured 3 meters would be enough, and if not, the follow-on distance can always be increased.
If the goal is over taxxing the grid, why does your strategy to overwhelm them depend on materials you must carry with you into battle and then on the warhead itself? Yeah the ripple of explosions created by micro torpedoes sounds cool, but its not practical. You should be thinking more about incorporating the deflector array, tractor beam technology and especially transporter technology. To reduce the physical load at every corner. So particle streams guided by the tractor beams, say for example utilizing sand. Firing a constant stream of replicated sand particles like a beam, to literally, physically overwhelm and grind down, whatever its being aimed at. A relay of warheads that follow along in formation, to just wait for an opportunity to penetrate, for a microsecond flicker in the shield grid. Then boom. Anti matter payloads getting transported directly onto the target. or even just chemical warheads. To dissolve the superstructure, make it brittle or reactive to radiation wavelengths. Perhaps warheads that simply paint the target, literally. To deal with cloaked ships. A radioactive paint that just makes it easy for the sensors to never lose lock. A reactive material that damps energy reactions or depolarizes vital infrastructure. Or eats the hull. You get the idea. Less brute force.
These augmented torps are intended to serve as a stand-in for quantum torpedoes. Given that not every ship in the fleet is going to receive those OP torps, then why not have the option for a standard photon torpedo that can mimic, to a close degree, the shield-breaking capability of a QT, but not give the reading that would come from carrying them.
A technique known as "phaser dimpling" creates a similar effect with no modifications or special ordnance required. Basically the torpedoes are fired and right before they hit several phaser shots (at least three separate impacts are ideal but it can work with one or two) are fired at the expected impact point if the torpedoes. These phaser hits weaken the target shield bubble for the fraction of a second it takes for the torpedoes to hit. The torpedoes ideally fly through this weak point. Because of the way shields work the subsequent blast is actually compressed between the shield and the target hull. This technique has never been seen in the films but shows up in many rpg, combat sim and even some video games.
The akira is an exception. She was built to do one thing, put out a sustained, multi frequency torpedo barrage on a borg cube. Literally nothing else. The luna is a far more balanced design, the Akira is a warship.
No. The Akira is more battle oriented but it has a huge flight deck for fighter craft as well as a huge torpedo load out. The phaser arrays are more than adequate as well. The Akira is still a very large ship with the mass in the saucer although less than the Luna class still can be used as an explorer though less capable in that role. The Luna is a multi task vessel as a more traditional Star Fleet vessel thus the need for a larger size to accommodate the extra equipment and departments.
No. The creator said the Akira was also a carrier and could carry a large amount of fighters and shuttles into combat. It’s not just a torpedo boat. Imagine it carrying 40 to 60 Valkyrie modern federation attack fighters!
I know this is a trek channel. But damn if i wouldnt love you guys doing naval content like this with warhammer 40k and starwars. You two bring such a wealth of expertise and laid back conversation that this series is addicting, as would other sci fi series
In my head canon, Akira and the other ships of her generation were actually concept prototypes. With war looming, they were put into production, but discontinued later. In comes the Gagarin, Reliant and Aquarius
I have a question. What do you think about the redesigned Shakir class in Star Trek Online? 10:35 funny you put the Japanese flag behind the Akira as the Akira( and the Alita and Armitage) are named after Japanese anime / manga from the 90's. The Akira after the manga and anime movie of the same name, Alita after the main character from the manga Battle Angel Alita and Armitage named after the OVA Armitage the Third. The TNG production teams were anime fans and hid references everywhere.
"On the original (Andor), aesthetically it's a bit of a disaster." Agreed, but if it works... Eight rapid-fire torpedo launchers have a beauty all their own. For anti-starfighter, I like the concept from the ancient game Star Fleet Battles of phaser gatlings. They are essentially a phaser emplacement with multiple emitters that fire rapid bursts at lower power levels to hit fighters and drones.
I tended to see it as a light frigate, with a peacetime role of a survey/science ship, @Vismund Cygnus . It also seems quite readily adaptable to ELINT and AWACS roles - using it's, presumably modular, pod.
Microtorpedoes are most likely more a scale of caliber. You won't be able to shoot a normal torpedo from shoulder mounted devices. For some reason they call a a specific form of grenade microtorpedo by pepsi
An idea about the application of MIRV torpedoes: ship shields are often subdivided into different quadrants which can operate independently. You can focus shield power in one quadrant over the others, or if one section is depleted you can angle your ship so a healthier shield is facing your enemy. A MIRV torpedo volley could be used to attack simultaneously from multiple vectors and exploit weakened areas of the shield. Think Prometheus’s multi vector attack mode, but more economical. Mix a few full sized torpedoes into a volley to keep the enemy on their toes and I think this could be fairly effective.
Also it would be cool to see a torpedo split into a bunch of smaller ones and spiral around and in to a ship all at once. Good for ships that don’t have the Galaxy’s fancy multi-shot torpedo tube.
Yea the D’Deridex fires a plasma beam from its main deflector dish. I never understood that. How does a giant ship like that fly around without a deflector dish?
I would agree that it is likely within the next few years most of the new streaming services will implode & we'll go back to a few handfuls. The Akira fits as a heavy cruiser being largest anti-Borg ship after the Sovereign. The Luna is like the Sovereign's Miranda/Nebula. Cluster torpedoes are an interesting thing in Star Trek. There's actually quite a few of them in STO for all that's worth. And yeah, theatrical representation vs reality in terms of show perception is an interesting thing.
To many small streaming services lead me to treat them like an occasional buy instead of a subscription. Drach mentioned Warhammer TV which I waited several months, then subscribed for a month which was plenty of time to watch everything I wanted to - and a good value too - then I unsubscribed and maybe I will grab another month in a year.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 which I think is an improvement for the overall design aesthetically. I think the sovereign nacelles should be reserved for ships that bleed speed, as the sovereign does, as opposed to being a new mainline heavy cruiser/ pocket battleship. Also it just looks weird when mounted downward, while the Akira nacelles look fine.
It is extremely likely that in the next decade all of the streaming services will wither on the vine and the big companies will come together and reinvent cable.
Question, I have the model of the Gagarin refit that was found in the I can’t remember the name now, Starbase to get flooded by radiation and was brought back for Star Trek online and updated to state of the art 25th century weaponry and equipment… But damn if the model doesn’t look better upside down…Have you ever taken a look at flipping a ship that way and looked at the model?
I like to think that the Federation doesn't do capital ships because it doesn't want a "battle fleet" as Starfleet is primarily for peaceful exploration. What Starfleet did do early on is call everything one "size" smaller. So frigates and destroyers are frigates, light cruisers are destroyers, etc. And also it calls its "capital ships" large cruisers because they are largely supersized heavy cruisers. Also like to think that large cruisers are modular (swap in more weapon/shield/sensor systems during wartime, swap out for science/diplo/etc system in peacetime) and take after German battlecruisers, emphasizing defensive capability over firepower even in peacetime configuration. Of course, Starfleet probably never bothered to swap in the war modules at any point and possibly stopped bothering with the modular aspect by the time of the Galaxy-class. Personally, I think Akira started as a shuttle carrier concept during the war with the Cardassians, ran into flight deck height issues in testing, was going to be converted into a regular cruiser, Wolf 359 happened, and Akira instead tilted hard into anti-Borg capabilities (say, paired with a pack of Defiants?). (I want to think that the Akira was originally named something else as a carrier, and as it went anti-Borg, it got named for a member of the quantum torp design team that died at Wolf 359.) Then down the line modular parts were done so an Akira could trade the pod or port/starboard launchers for other things like sensors, shields, etc. A sensor Akira would be a good replacement for things like the Antares-type Miranda (survivability) or a sensor pod Nebula (manpower reqs, build cost). On the torpedoes, I feel like the quantum torpedoes are larger than photon torpedoes, hence a need for a launcher specifically capable of handling them compared to the standard launcher design. Otherwise, why specifically designate launchers one way or the other?
I kind of use a similar strategy when i have to make sense of Warhammer 40k lore as the storyteller in p&p RPG campaigns. Just because something is written there it doesn't mean its true - it just means that the in-universe writer of these words wrote those words - either believing in them or purposefully lying. I kinda agree it's sad that people forget about DDs and Cruisers in WW I and II. I for one love what Japanesee could do with their destroyer torpedo strikes under the cover of the night.
I'll see Andy Probert's eye disruptors and raise you the forward guns of the Omega-class Destroyer from Babylon 5, so long as we're talking about "right there on the model, but the effects guys never used them."
See, I'd always assumed that the whole Galaxy class "full spread" torpedoes were in fact MERV'd. I think it sort of fits the TNG era idea of "we still want to be competent but also look less aggressive". So for the Galaxy the compromise for the designers becomes "okay so we put in only a few torpedo tubes to tone down the warship look, but we made them fire MERVs so a single shot spews out like ten torpedoes", and with the great size of the ship they can make their torpedoes larger and with respectable sized warheads. I do like Drach's idea of MERV'd torpedoes as an anti-cloak tech though from the TOS-Lost Era. Hedgehog in SPAAAAACE!
I Always found it hard to believe that the Akira can adequately perform the duties of a torpedo boat (15 launchers and enough ordinance to make them useful), a carrier (with room for a squadron of Peregrine class figthers-not small themselves, their crews, their ordinance, their spares, and fuel), and exploration cruiser (based on Starfleet's overall mission with science and diplomatic suites) at the same time in a single hull. In my headcanon I have split the Akira up into three variants. One for reach role, the 15-launcher torpedo boat, the carrier, and the exploration cruiser. Based on the overall design of the Akira these are also not modular. The vessel is built with only a single role in mind.
I like the idea of Andor but the actual ship is rather unfortunate looking. I've used it numerous times in the FASA game and it works very well. It does prefer to be escorted but if in the right hands can go it alone.
In my Canon. The Akira class is the first onto the battlefield and the last to step off of it. The crews of these vessels are very similar to the Top Gun Maverick style of Starfleet officers. If Starfleet has an incident where a show of force is needed....it is Akiras that goes in first, followed by Defiant's and possibly a Nebula as a command and control ship. The Akira's are Starfleets warning to any hostile species that "You really want this to escalate?.....we'll give you a taste of it.....and if you think we are badass....wait till the Nebula Turns up.....or the Galaxy class Dreadnought"
Mass wise there's not alot of difference between the Akira and Luna. The mass of the Akira's catamerans combined is close to the Luna secondary hull. And the saucers are virtually identical in diameter, they're just rotated 90 degrees one from the other. Akira's saucer has more decks to accomodate the engineering section and deflector dish.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 12:10 They're both eliptical. Akira is mounted like a Galaxy, Luna is mounted like a Sovereign. They're just 90 degrees off from eachother, roughly the same shape and size.
In my head canon a lot of the stories in Voyager are episodes of a Holoseries written by Tom Paris in the decades after the fact.. By 2400 he is widely regarded as a rather humorous boomer quack
If you negate the fighter carrier theories about the Akira then it's 1 primary function is putting warheads on warp cores. If you include the fighter carrier aspects then it's 2 primary functions are releasing a frenzy of fury while putting warheads on warp cores.
Oh you boys got to get a little more cleaver with the use of micro torpedo launchers could be used for. Imagin this youve seen the American phalanx system correct now you take say a Miranda pulse phaser now add a rapped fire micro torpedo launchers and a really kick ass tracking system .and what you have is ultimate anti fighter/torpedo interscepter .you know the best way to have your shields last in battle is right you shot down inbound fire before it hits even your shield. Now if your really cleaver with a touch of evil .so instead of having a torpedo magazine you ether store your torpedo in a transporter like scooty was stored or or you have a self regenerating torpedo making machine and just built into the torpedo launchers and godvdam suddenly the jemadar attack ship doesn't look like such a great ship .just imagine if the odyssey had say 8 of this thing though I would prefer12 total 6 top side mounted 6 under slung so 2 port 2 starboard 2 Centralia spread out of coarse and I imagine that little subside run on the odyesy ends a whole lot deferant won't you say a holy lot defereant. And dominion torpedo power won't be very effective .if you like this idea you should see what I did with the solartron wave emitters that one again group was exspearmenting with .let just say it would give you a better excuse for that 3 drived galaxy I heard you say you didn't like a whole new light.but we can't talk about thing like that because thay don't exist right and of thay did surely thay would be heavily classified at the highest level. He he he pagama wearing hippies. That was the best peace of propaganda ever sold.and of coarse that little old phase cloaking device we destroyed ir right away because that would totally not be fair play.how dou you think the quantum torpedo works so well from.but I can tell you we sire did destroy that phase cloak or may it was a fake that hot destroyed and the orginal one end up in a federation black pops yard in a very violent nebula we re no ships can hope to surve or could thay I wounder.this thing may or may not exist.and no im not talking thoughs pin heads over in article 31 ether.though guy are amatures but thsy make a good smoke screen for the real black opps group .who operate from a base most call wounder land but we knew as the dragons lair. But what do I know im just a old retired combat officers set out to pasturer. Like I said boys just use your imagination and the tec avaliable in your day and age now advance 300 years and a little splash of wickedness and malice into the mix and you would be really surprized were your brain well take you but again nothing to worry about were the federation the good guys we would never? Right ? We would never? Just remember at the end of the day there a high price to pay to be the biggest rock superstar .and the universe is all about only the strongest smarts well surve and that my friends well never change.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 nope they did not get the viewers they thought and Netflix practically funded the first season by the rights to air it. Its why amazon got Picard sonce netflix refused and cns all access hadnto be changed in hopes of more library and thus more viewers.
See my problem with Star Trek is, the federation isn’t properly militarized. They’ve shown the capabilities early on…they have an infantry mortar that erases an entire hill…yet they make stupid ships, that are insanely weak…and they don’t even make enough to try to keep things stable….they have all the tools, but suck instead.
Sisko was competent though, Macarthur was not, Sisko saw the dominio0n attack on DS9 coming, prepared a defense of his command area including denying the key strategic objective to the enemy and evacuated his force largely intact, Macarthur did none of those things
I'll say the Akira and Luna Come very close in terms of mass. Luna may have a Secondary hull, but it is a Small, Slim one. Where as Akira has a more filled out saucer and the Catamaran Sections.
My MIRV Torpedo's intent is to have a standard torpedo that has near the penetration potential of a quantum without the need to modify the launcher for quantum.
The setup of the modified torpedo involves a pod that is attached to a torpedo that contains 6 micro torpedoes arrayed around a control/sensor module and a proximity detector. When the enhanced torpedo gets to within three meters of a detectable shield it fires off the salvo of micro torps with the intended effect of over-taxing the shields in that grid area so that the rest of the following torpedo might be able to sail on through. These enhanced torpedoes may also be useful against armored ships once their shields are down.
Yes, without modification a starship would be firing one less torpedo in a spread, but if the enhanced penetrative & destructive potential of said spread is elevated then the tradeoff should be worth firing one less torpedo. As for the potential for missing, that's going to stand a chance of happening no matter what you're shooting.
These torps replaced atomic bombs, can the subsequent charges survive the explosion of the first?
@@matheuscerqueira7952 the pod that the Micro torps are fired from is still attached to the front of the standard photon torp, thus providing a bit of a material buffer before it impacts. I figured 3 meters would be enough, and if not, the follow-on distance can always be increased.
If the goal is over taxxing the grid, why does your strategy to overwhelm them depend on materials you must carry with you into battle and then on the warhead itself?
Yeah the ripple of explosions created by micro torpedoes sounds cool, but its not practical. You should be thinking more about incorporating the deflector array, tractor beam technology and especially transporter technology. To reduce the physical load at every corner. So particle streams guided by the tractor beams, say for example utilizing sand. Firing a constant stream of replicated sand particles like a beam, to literally, physically overwhelm and grind down, whatever its being aimed at.
A relay of warheads that follow along in formation, to just wait for an opportunity to penetrate, for a microsecond flicker in the shield grid. Then boom. Anti matter payloads getting transported directly onto the target. or even just chemical warheads. To dissolve the superstructure, make it brittle or reactive to radiation wavelengths. Perhaps warheads that simply paint the target, literally. To deal with cloaked ships. A radioactive paint that just makes it easy for the sensors to never lose lock. A reactive material that damps energy reactions or depolarizes vital infrastructure. Or eats the hull. You get the idea. Less brute force.
These augmented torps are intended to serve as a stand-in for quantum torpedoes. Given that not every ship in the fleet is going to receive those OP torps, then why not have the option for a standard photon torpedo that can mimic, to a close degree, the shield-breaking capability of a QT, but not give the reading that would come from carrying them.
A technique known as "phaser dimpling" creates a similar effect with no modifications or special ordnance required. Basically the torpedoes are fired and right before they hit several phaser shots (at least three separate impacts are ideal but it can work with one or two) are fired at the expected impact point if the torpedoes. These phaser hits weaken the target shield bubble for the fraction of a second it takes for the torpedoes to hit. The torpedoes ideally fly through this weak point. Because of the way shields work the subsequent blast is actually compressed between the shield and the target hull. This technique has never been seen in the films but shows up in many rpg, combat sim and even some video games.
The akira is an exception. She was built to do one thing, put out a sustained, multi frequency torpedo barrage on a borg cube. Literally nothing else. The luna is a far more balanced design, the Akira is a warship.
Yeah the luna is a full on battlecruiser.
No. The Akira is more battle oriented but it has a huge flight deck for fighter craft as well as a huge torpedo load out. The phaser arrays are more than adequate as well. The Akira is still a very large ship with the mass in the saucer although less than the Luna class still can be used as an explorer though less capable in that role. The Luna is a multi task vessel as a more traditional Star Fleet vessel thus the need for a larger size to accommodate the extra equipment and departments.
No. The creator said the Akira was also a carrier and could carry a large amount of fighters and shuttles into combat. It’s not just a torpedo boat. Imagine it carrying 40 to 60 Valkyrie modern federation attack fighters!
I love that you keep the DS9, TNG, VOY era Trek mythology alive in 2022. This channel is superb.
In regards to the Akira-class there's the TOS/TMP era Abbe-class Torpedo ship too.
Honestly, I have enjoyed these QA with Drachinifel.
As an old Starfleet battles player, I was not surprised to see fighters.
Love me some SFB!!
I know this is a trek channel. But damn if i wouldnt love you guys doing naval content like this with warhammer 40k and starwars. You two bring such a wealth of expertise and laid back conversation that this series is addicting, as would other sci fi series
That echo is something awful... love the content and videos, but I can't handle that longer then a minute or two
The echo was annoying but once I listened to it for about ten minutes I couldn't hear it anymore. I think there is something wrong with me 🤣
Honesty doesn’t bother me at all.
In my head canon, Akira and the other ships of her generation were actually concept prototypes. With war looming, they were put into production, but discontinued later. In comes the Gagarin, Reliant and Aquarius
D'Daradex shooting distruptors from it's eyes would have been flipping cool.
Yeah, it's a no-brainer tbh. They missed the landing on that one.
8 parts, damn son. you really learned what a drydock is like to do
I have a question. What do you think about the redesigned Shakir class in Star Trek Online? 10:35 funny you put the Japanese flag behind the Akira as the Akira( and the Alita and Armitage) are named after Japanese anime / manga from the 90's. The Akira after the manga and anime movie of the same name, Alita after the main character from the manga Battle Angel Alita and Armitage named after the OVA Armitage the Third. The TNG production teams were anime fans and hid references everywhere.
"On the original (Andor), aesthetically it's a bit of a disaster." Agreed, but if it works... Eight rapid-fire torpedo launchers have a beauty all their own. For anti-starfighter, I like the concept from the ancient game Star Fleet Battles of phaser gatlings. They are essentially a phaser emplacement with multiple emitters that fire rapid bursts at lower power levels to hit fighters and drones.
I see micro torpedos as the equivalent 4 or 5 inch shells.
Was the Springfield a torpedo cruiser? Too small? Not a torpedo pod? What was its role within the highlitghter fleet?
I tended to see it as a light frigate, with a peacetime role of a survey/science ship, @Vismund Cygnus . It also seems quite readily adaptable to ELINT and AWACS roles - using it's, presumably modular, pod.
i ought to cover it because i have given it the short end of the stick.
@@chrissonofpear1384 It's hard to get a sense of scale for some of these. Your comment makes sense to me.
Oh I didn't know there was more of these.
Microtorpedoes are most likely more a scale of caliber. You won't be able to shoot a normal torpedo from shoulder mounted devices. For some reason they call a a specific form of grenade microtorpedo by pepsi
I can see multi-warhead torpedoes being used against ground targets, when you want to do precise but limited damage to multiple targets.
Why not just phasers though?
An idea about the application of MIRV torpedoes: ship shields are often subdivided into different quadrants which can operate independently. You can focus shield power in one quadrant over the others, or if one section is depleted you can angle your ship so a healthier shield is facing your enemy.
A MIRV torpedo volley could be used to attack simultaneously from multiple vectors and exploit weakened areas of the shield. Think Prometheus’s multi vector attack mode, but more economical. Mix a few full sized torpedoes into a volley to keep the enemy on their toes and I think this could be fairly effective.
Also it would be cool to see a torpedo split into a bunch of smaller ones and spiral around and in to a ship all at once. Good for ships that don’t have the Galaxy’s fancy multi-shot torpedo tube.
I believe torpedo cruiser was the designation of the Okhotnik, which kind of explains its quirks.
Love the video but venom your mic has had some echo issues lately or something that feeds back sound.
Yea the D’Deridex fires a plasma beam from its main deflector dish. I never understood that. How does a giant ship like that fly around without a deflector dish?
Considering I just watched a video on streaming services by knowledge hub before this video made my day
I would agree that it is likely within the next few years most of the new streaming services will implode & we'll go back to a few handfuls.
The Akira fits as a heavy cruiser being largest anti-Borg ship after the Sovereign. The Luna is like the Sovereign's Miranda/Nebula.
Cluster torpedoes are an interesting thing in Star Trek. There's actually quite a few of them in STO for all that's worth.
And yeah, theatrical representation vs reality in terms of show perception is an interesting thing.
To many small streaming services lead me to treat them like an occasional buy instead of a subscription. Drach mentioned Warhammer TV which I waited several months, then subscribed for a month which was plenty of time to watch everything I wanted to - and a good value too - then I unsubscribed and maybe I will grab another month in a year.
Behold. I am venom geek media. Herald of the gods
How many parts are there?
In WW2 the Japanese Kuma Class light cruiser had five quad mount torpedo launchers per side for a total of forty torpedo tubes.
Luna is a Nebularized Sovereign?
other than it using akira nacelles yeah
@@venomgeekmedia9886 which I think is an improvement for the overall design aesthetically. I think the sovereign nacelles should be reserved for ships that bleed speed, as the sovereign does, as opposed to being a new mainline heavy cruiser/ pocket battleship. Also it just looks weird when mounted downward, while the Akira nacelles look fine.
I agree with you guys fully on the new media
Where can I find this response to the response of Lore concerning fighters?
"We have been trying to get ahold of you about your BBC license."
Oi m8 have you got a loisence
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Keep those awesome videos coming. 😁
It is extremely likely that in the next decade all of the streaming services will wither on the vine and the big companies will come together and reinvent cable.
If Drach is listening without headphones, Venom's voice would do this echo thing. If not, than not sure what is causing the feedback echo.
Yeah the last two videos were really hard to understand, I could not watch the entire thing.
@@ChairmanMo I second that motion.
Damn, was really hoping it was just me and I would be able to fix it.
21:27 Lore Reloaded or another Trek channel actually said something about the capacity of the danubes launcher. Im just not quite sure.
Question, I have the model of the Gagarin refit that was found in the I can’t remember the name now, Starbase to get flooded by radiation and was brought back for Star Trek online and updated to state of the art 25th century weaponry and equipment… But damn if the model doesn’t look better upside down…Have you ever taken a look at flipping a ship that way and looked at the model?
I like to think that the Federation doesn't do capital ships because it doesn't want a "battle fleet" as Starfleet is primarily for peaceful exploration. What Starfleet did do early on is call everything one "size" smaller. So frigates and destroyers are frigates, light cruisers are destroyers, etc. And also it calls its "capital ships" large cruisers because they are largely supersized heavy cruisers. Also like to think that large cruisers are modular (swap in more weapon/shield/sensor systems during wartime, swap out for science/diplo/etc system in peacetime) and take after German battlecruisers, emphasizing defensive capability over firepower even in peacetime configuration. Of course, Starfleet probably never bothered to swap in the war modules at any point and possibly stopped bothering with the modular aspect by the time of the Galaxy-class.
Personally, I think Akira started as a shuttle carrier concept during the war with the Cardassians, ran into flight deck height issues in testing, was going to be converted into a regular cruiser, Wolf 359 happened, and Akira instead tilted hard into anti-Borg capabilities (say, paired with a pack of Defiants?). (I want to think that the Akira was originally named something else as a carrier, and as it went anti-Borg, it got named for a member of the quantum torp design team that died at Wolf 359.) Then down the line modular parts were done so an Akira could trade the pod or port/starboard launchers for other things like sensors, shields, etc. A sensor Akira would be a good replacement for things like the Antares-type Miranda (survivability) or a sensor pod Nebula (manpower reqs, build cost).
On the torpedoes, I feel like the quantum torpedoes are larger than photon torpedoes, hence a need for a launcher specifically capable of handling them compared to the standard launcher design. Otherwise, why specifically designate launchers one way or the other?
It then has two microtorpedoe launchers that extend from the front underside.
VGM....you really need to sort out that echo.
I kind of use a similar strategy when i have to make sense of Warhammer 40k lore as the storyteller in p&p RPG campaigns. Just because something is written there it doesn't mean its true - it just means that the in-universe writer of these words wrote those words - either believing in them or purposefully lying.
I kinda agree it's sad that people forget about DDs and Cruisers in WW I and II. I for one love what Japanesee could do with their destroyer torpedo strikes under the cover of the night.
I'll see Andy Probert's eye disruptors and raise you the forward guns of the Omega-class Destroyer from Babylon 5, so long as we're talking about "right there on the model, but the effects guys never used them."
See, I'd always assumed that the whole Galaxy class "full spread" torpedoes were in fact MERV'd. I think it sort of fits the TNG era idea of "we still want to be competent but also look less aggressive". So for the Galaxy the compromise for the designers becomes "okay so we put in only a few torpedo tubes to tone down the warship look, but we made them fire MERVs so a single shot spews out like ten torpedoes", and with the great size of the ship they can make their torpedoes larger and with respectable sized warheads.
I do like Drach's idea of MERV'd torpedoes as an anti-cloak tech though from the TOS-Lost Era. Hedgehog in SPAAAAACE!
Am I the only one hearing echo, when Venom Geek speaks?
28:43 I'd like to remind everyone that these FXs guys once depicted the Enterprise firing phaser blasts out of its torpedo tube.
Was that the Darmak episode?
The luna is the graf spa its a povket battleship or commers raider
*ECHO!!!*
As for Andor i think there is an issue with the bussard collectors being blocked
Yeah although sacred cow shipyards did a video on the contradiction between bussards and deflectors.
I Always found it hard to believe that the Akira can adequately perform the duties of a torpedo boat (15 launchers and enough ordinance to make them useful), a carrier (with room for a squadron of Peregrine class figthers-not small themselves, their crews, their ordinance, their spares, and fuel), and exploration cruiser (based on Starfleet's overall mission with science and diplomatic suites) at the same time in a single hull. In my headcanon I have split the Akira up into three variants. One for reach role, the 15-launcher torpedo boat, the carrier, and the exploration cruiser. Based on the overall design of the Akira these are also not modular. The vessel is built with only a single role in mind.
There's a weird echo on your bud's voice. Besides that, I have been enjoying these discussions!
Doesn't anyone know if future reman warbirds or romulan versions left out the radiant weapons platforms and just used it as a battleship .
I like the idea of Andor but the actual ship is rather unfortunate looking. I've used it numerous times in the FASA game and it works very well. It does prefer to be escorted but if in the right hands can go it alone.
What does god need with a Starship?
He just uses the trunk of the starship to store his fruits and beard wax.
When it is more expensive and longwinded to book passage by a Roman Captain then it is only natural they be out-competed by the Corsair Kings ;)
In my Canon. The Akira class is the first onto the battlefield and the last to step off of it. The crews of these vessels are very similar to the Top Gun Maverick style of Starfleet officers.
If Starfleet has an incident where a show of force is needed....it is Akiras that goes in first, followed by Defiant's and possibly a Nebula as a command and control ship.
The Akira's are Starfleets warning to any hostile species that "You really want this to escalate?.....we'll give you a taste of it.....and if you think we are badass....wait till the Nebula Turns up.....or the Galaxy class Dreadnought"
Mass wise there's not alot of difference between the Akira and Luna. The mass of the Akira's catamerans combined is close to the Luna secondary hull. And the saucers are virtually identical in diameter, they're just rotated 90 degrees one from the other. Akira's saucer has more decks to accomodate the engineering section and deflector dish.
Lunar saucer is elliptical so just a little large. Same goes for the engineering Hull.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 12:10 They're both eliptical. Akira is mounted like a Galaxy, Luna is mounted like a Sovereign. They're just 90 degrees off from eachother, roughly the same shape and size.
You guys need some shaddy iptv services...had ondemax with all the new shows,etc...so i have heard
Micro torpedoes vs. cloaked ships ~ Hedgehog vs. U-Boats?
In my head canon a lot of the stories in Voyager are episodes of a Holoseries written by Tom Paris in the decades after the fact.. By 2400 he is widely regarded as a rather humorous boomer quack
Strange new worlds is very good.
Its kurtzmen trek so its cursed
The pod on the Danube holds 4 torpedoes.
Not much then...
I was under the impression this was a ventral torpedo pod/launcher? So not the dorsal one (sensor)
If you negate the fighter carrier theories about the Akira then it's 1 primary function is putting warheads on warp cores. If you include the fighter carrier aspects then it's 2 primary functions are releasing a frenzy of fury while putting warheads on warp cores.
I got Amazon prime and it ain't got no Star Trek on it none they've taken it all and it never had Picard or lower decks and all that crap
Oh you boys got to get a little more cleaver with the use of micro torpedo launchers could be used for. Imagin this youve seen the American phalanx system correct now you take say a Miranda pulse phaser now add a rapped fire micro torpedo launchers and a really kick ass tracking system .and what you have is ultimate anti fighter/torpedo interscepter .you know the best way to have your shields last in battle is right you shot down inbound fire before it hits even your shield. Now if your really cleaver with a touch of evil .so instead of having a torpedo magazine you ether store your torpedo in a transporter like scooty was stored or or you have a self regenerating torpedo making machine and just built into the torpedo launchers and godvdam suddenly the jemadar attack ship doesn't look like such a great ship .just imagine if the odyssey had say 8 of this thing though I would prefer12 total 6 top side mounted 6 under slung so 2 port 2 starboard 2 Centralia spread out of coarse and I imagine that little subside run on the odyesy ends a whole lot deferant won't you say a holy lot defereant. And dominion torpedo power won't be very effective .if you like this idea you should see what I did with the solartron wave emitters that one again group was exspearmenting with .let just say it would give you a better excuse for that 3 drived galaxy I heard you say you didn't like a whole new light.but we can't talk about thing like that because thay don't exist right and of thay did surely thay would be heavily classified at the highest level. He he he pagama wearing hippies. That was the best peace of propaganda ever sold.and of coarse that little old phase cloaking device we destroyed ir right away because that would totally not be fair play.how dou you think the quantum torpedo works so well from.but I can tell you we sire did destroy that phase cloak or may it was a fake that hot destroyed and the orginal one end up in a federation black pops yard in a very violent nebula we re no ships can hope to surve or could thay I wounder.this thing may or may not exist.and no im not talking thoughs pin heads over in article 31 ether.though guy are amatures but thsy make a good smoke screen for the real black opps group .who operate from a base most call wounder land but we knew as the dragons lair. But what do I know im just a old retired combat officers set out to pasturer. Like I said boys just use your imagination and the tec avaliable in your day and age now advance 300 years and a little splash of wickedness and malice into the mix and you would be really surprized were your brain well take you but again nothing to worry about were the federation the good guys we would never? Right ? We would never?
Just remember at the end of the day there a high price to pay to be the biggest rock superstar .and the universe is all about only the strongest smarts well surve and that my friends well never change.
Jesus the Echo.
Man I *really* want to watch this but that echo makes my brain hurt. :(
History hit tv.
Discovery *WAS* on netflix. But the money wasn't there and they got out of the contract.
I thought it was more that they wanted it on paramount plus.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 nope they did not get the viewers they thought and Netflix practically funded the first season by the rights to air it. Its why amazon got Picard sonce netflix refused and cns all access hadnto be changed in hopes of more library and thus more viewers.
Cheers gents
CHECK THE ECHO
See my problem with Star Trek is, the federation isn’t properly militarized. They’ve shown the capabilities early on…they have an infantry mortar that erases an entire hill…yet they make stupid ships, that are insanely weak…and they don’t even make enough to try to keep things stable….they have all the tools, but suck instead.
If I wanted three hours of content I would watch a couple 5 minute guides 😄
Luna = battle Cruiser aka supper cruiser
And yeah the echo is pretty ridiculous.
Unwatchable echo is bad
I think sisko is more like mcarthur, call to arms , i will return. ( MacArthur said the same in the Philippines) inhis own words
Sisko was competent though, Macarthur was not, Sisko saw the dominio0n attack on DS9 coming, prepared a defense of his command area including denying the key strategic objective to the enemy and evacuated his force largely intact, Macarthur did none of those things
Check ya mike settings.
oh god the echo
Reminder the certain fan favorite species have been changed into Protomorphs from Alien: Covenant, complete with spores for gestation.
Your echoing effect is a bit annoying to listen to. Are there issues with your mic?
Prodigy is painful.
Peregrine busters
I'll say the Akira and Luna Come very close in terms of mass. Luna may have a Secondary hull, but it is a Small, Slim one. Where as Akira has a more filled out saucer and the Catamaran Sections.
The echo is aweful...
Once again blame drach.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 shots fired! Lol
I just don't think Discovery, Picard or even Strange New Worlds are worth watching.
Strange New Worlds is absolutely worth watching in my opinion.
@@Scitch87 It's never Star Trek and never will be, not until Kurtzman is given the boot.
@@merafirewing6591 i mean....you can think that if you want but SNW is still pretty good.
@@Scitch87 Not if it disrespects the original TOS. Nothing but a bait and switch.
@@merafirewing6591 which it does not do - if you actually watch it.