Let's Compare Tractors - IH 60 Series vs JD 30 Series
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- Apparently IH had to get their last jabs in before the two poppers were retired by Deere in favor of the new 10 series which was right around the corner. The last thing I would have been worried about at that point would have been accessories & accouterments.
At 3:08 in the video, there seems to be a hiccup in the audio. I believe it was recorded that way from the master as the second side is identical. Someone at SVE must have been daydreaming about their next task when this was completed.
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This really is a time capsule of when IH was riding high and then got the knock out blows of recalls, corporate mismanagement, and the Deere new generation tractors.
I fully agree. In this particular comparison the IH was the better tractor. Years later with Deere new generation tractors, the two companies were neck and neck for some time.
@@curtisk84 Actually, the new generation was already being designed. The only reason they made the 2 cylinder 30 series is because the 10s weren’t ready as early as they had hoped.
the deere new gen was in production during the 20 and 30 series runs and was even going to be released instead of the 30 series but decided against it to fine tune the new gens which paid off imo
When they made that sales video little did they know what Deere had on the drawing board that would blow them out of the water for years to come.
IH did themselves in even before Deere brought out the New Generation tractors. The head of IH was given to a truck salesman and he completely didn't understand the tractor development end of the business. The result was the massive failure after the release of the 560 tractor line that had a differential that failed quickly in service. That cost IH a huge piece of their customer base. Before IH could recover Deere bombed the market with the 4010 and never looked back.
@@cdjhyoung the 4010 was a giant wreck. It has loads of trouble and dealers didn't know how to work on them. They came out with the 4020 to fix the issues and were able to have a good PR department.
Acutally if were talking about blowing IH and Deere out of the water Oliver had both of em beat especially with the CVT transmisson they were working on in the 60s
@@Jordannelson23 As technologically advanced as the Oliver tractor line was after WW II, it never challenged Deere or IH for sales. It was at best forth or fifth most popular. Other than Oliver's introduction of a two stroke GMC diesel in the 99 series tractors in the mid 1960's, I'm not aware of a marketing glitch they committed. Could it have been a weak dealer network that kept their sales down?
I think Oliver had weak management overall
IH won that battle but certainly JD won the war. The JD 10 and 20 series of the 60's changed farming forever!
This is the ultimate dis track from IH towards Deere
Interesting little discussion. We have owned both red and green tractors, still do. Yes the 560 had a big recall almost immediately after introduction. the engineers had serious concerns that they weren't ready for release, they were right. It was a simple fix, heavier rear axle bearings. Yes the old 2 cyl diesel was easy on fuel but the 560 diesel wasn't bad there either. Now the gas wasn't as easy on fuel. The power shift on Deere was beautiful! Ford gave Deere the engineer and rights to it after their fiasco with the Select o speed recall. Like Harvester, Ford management didn't listen to the engineers that they weren't ready! Harvester decided to use light duty pick up truck motors from their truck line to save engineering money and time, that was a mistake. Those motors weren't tough enough for tractors. The frequent overhaul intervals on the 60 series gassers proved that. They would have been much better off using a 6 cyl version of the old bullet proof M series motors. But I still believe both makes of that time were better than the present day releases, mainly for cost and longevity. We have newer tractors that at 20 yrs age, are having serious electrical and trans issues, that apparently local dealers can't or won't cure even with stupid amounts of money being thrown at them.
Great video, thanks for posting! It took me the better part of my lunch to go through the comments! I find it comical as to just how defensive some people get in defense of 'for profit' companies. There are an awful lot of successful farmers who ran each individual brand and some of us who ran mixed herds with success. I understand the occasional bantering as it can be fun, but when some of these guys talk smack, they're downright disrespectful.
Every color we have ran has had its merits and downsides as well, but one has to be objective when making those assessments.
I was 14 when I saw this tractor new. Our neighbors ran a dairy farm and demoed this machine and when I saw it, it looked like a Battlestar Galactica spaceship with that nose and remember thinking how amazing this new technology was, swearing there was no way farm machines could get any better or top this. Of course I was way wrong lol.
Deere borrowed time on the 30 series 2 cylinders .. they bought time to get the 10 series tractors going... when deere dropped the 10 series (4010) they blew IH out of water ... then JD blew them out of the water again when they came out with the sound guard cab tractors....
Growing up on John Deere 2 cylinder Johnny Poppers next to my neighbors, I envied their tractors. The 60 series were much more nimble that the Johnny Poppers.... However, that all changed when we got our 4010. Not enough "O's" in smoooth for the 4010.
4010s we’re rough syncro is by no means easy to learn or understand and it’s a pain to get to your hydraulics
I mean none of this to be a dick I’m just a red man that likes 40 series Deeres
@@MaclearieFarms I started driving the 4010 at age 5 with no transmission problems... Much better than our 2 cylinder hand clutches.
Grandpa had a few 60 series over the years. 460 diesel, 560 gas, and a couple different 560 diesels. Some were his big tractors during the early 60's and chore tractors up into the 80's.
Little did they know that the 560 was the start of their destruction. Helped along by the 20 series
Large farmer in my area ran all IH tractors until the early 70s. He said the correct way to use Torque Amplifier was to shift it into direct and take the lever off. Mid 70s he gradually coverted to JD. I'll never forget him pulling into the field next to us with one of the first 24 row Kinze planter bars with the new JD Maxemerge planter units pulled by an 8630. Most of us around here had 4-8 row planters then.
Too many people used the TA as a engine brake, like when hauling loads, or they woule "slip" it too much. If used right and not abused they would last a lot longer, from what I was told. Never was on a lot of Red equipment other than a Super M and a 560 with a loader.
@@seththomas9105 They were okay to pull thru a tough spot but not stay in TA all day.
@lynwessel2471 my great grandpa used nothing but ih and when the ta option came he got a farmall super md-ta and he said the ta option was perfect for plowing the the tough soiled fields he had. He told me just pull that lever back and let her work and the ta was still strong once my grandpa decided to sell it
I love the joke about JD being the color of money for a reason....
Thx for posting the period marketing vid! Really neat prospectives of the times! I’ve actually got a ‘61 560 Farmall Demonstrator (unrestored). U can only read where 2 of the decals were. 1 says, Job Matched SPEEDS. & the other says, Longer Day at Lower Cost.
We had a 574 with the T A and loader
Great 50 hp tractor 😊
The 574 is a great loader tractor!
We had a Farmall 460 gas and a Deere 720 diesel, as well as an H, a 300, a 1010, a 2010 and a 1010 crawler loader (all gas) on our Montana ranch. Although harder to drive, the 720 was TWICE the tractor, and could definitely outpull the 460! The TA went out on the 460 numerous times, and it really guzzled the gas. The 720 could bale hay all day on 5 gallons of diesel fuel! Our 460 was finally relegated to loader duty with a Farmhand F-10, but the 720 continued to do the real “heavy lifting” with plowing, disking and other work! The 460 was such an underperformer that I considered the video as false advertising. Deere continued developing and improving their tractors in the 1960s, while IH withered and eventually died.
the ih 460 wasnt in the same class as the 720 the 560 is what was competing with the 720…
Calling the 660 a Utility tractor and not the Deere 830 is a little strange. I don't think personally the 660 is a utility tractor any more than the 830 lol
The International 560s aren't utility tractors either. No more than a John Deere 730 standard. But the 460 and 340 utiility did not have a green rival.
I know I always enjoyed hanging upside down to engage pto on farmall h and m which was directly behind and below. Not to mention that pos hydraulic lever that operated like a choke rod
those came out in 1939 dude this is late 50s
This is interesting, glad you posted it.............I got to say, would depend on the job which I would want. I also found it interesting they didn't go into hitch options on each.
Glad you enjoyed! Something tells me they had already caught wind of the New Generation that was waiting in the wings. There were a few spots in this strip that sounded a bit smug. And some grasping at straws. Did anyone really care about muffler quality back then? They might as well thrown in a lady's vanity. It would have at least kept up with the glove box on the new Deeres. 😁
@@ikonseesmrno7300 I am not sure about the quality of the muffler, I was taking it as the quieter sound. I know alot of guys around me that started out with green and went red commented about less noise...............With that said, others said the same thing but stayed with green paint because it was cheaper!
@@ikonseesmrno7300 Funny .....And very true !
I never noticed that IH.had decent brakes plus you can drive a 2 banger in your sleep
Oliver was ahead of both companies for years.
Technologically, yes. But they didn't have as big a dealer network and never reached the kind of market penetration Deere and IH did.
Agreed.
Damn straight. Hart-Parr/Oliver was a big player in Iowa and the upper Midwest for sure. Oliver by many accounts was the better tractor. Too bad the managment in Charles City wasn't as good as the managment in Waterloo.
Enjoyed watching! Thanks friend!
Glad you enjoyed cuzn! Thanks for tuning in!!
I'll always love the 730 diesel John Deere
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There is a gas version of the 730 also.
Then came the 4010 and 4020 and the rest is history !
4020s are over hyped I challenge you to run your hydraulics and watch your implant without pulling a muscle farmall 806 and 706 are some of the greatest tractors ever built
@@MaclearieFarms have you owned both of those tractors? 4020 not quite as big as 806 and engine reliability is bit less perhaps but John Deere transmissions are far away easier to operate and steering is effortless. The hydraulics are not even comparable. I’ve run both and 4020 is what you want to be on all day
@@brentjohnson9210 I have run and worked on both extensively I have done everything from a oil change to a engine rebuild and transmission rebuild
@@brentjohnson9210 the only time the 20 series could compete with the 06 series is in 1969 with the side consoles and even at that point IH had released the 56 series which is the ultimate culmination of the 06 series as they had the improved shifter last and improved performance pistons better pump and injectors and I realize that the 706 is bigger than the 3020 and 806 is bigger than the 4020 but I was comparing them by the rolls they fill as the 706 and 3020 both fill the intermediate size tractor roll and both originally cost similar prices and both the 4020 and 806 both fill the high horsepower class tractor and you can’t compare the 5020 to the 1206 as the 1206 is in reality an 806 with a turbo the 5020 is mor comparable to the 4100 in size weight and horsepower
@@brentjohnson9210 both have power steering and pending on what set up you have be it Wheatland or row crop you don’t have a TA on Deeres and in reality with a TA and high low range and your 4 gears you have 16 gears
Sorry but I’ll still take my 630 any day of the week!!
It's interesting, but Deere knew it's tractors were obsolete long before this video was filmed. So they were testing brand new tractors, at that very time. Problem is, This video is a testimony that IH didn't see that their old basic Farmall H and M design was obsolete too. IH should have been developing a new design, too at that time. Maybe keep the 30/50 series a year longer and introduce the 706/806 in 1959 or 1960 would have been a smart move on their part. But Deere got the upper hand when they introduced their 10 series tractors and these had rear end and transmission trouble due to adding more power to the same basic design. What I don't understand is how John Deere managed to keep their primitive design so long and get away with it. Remember, that the primitive D was discontinued just 7 years before the 3010 was introduced!
I believe that the two cylinder deeres held on so long because of simple ,basic easy to maintain design. Remember most of the farmers at the time went thru the depression and wanted depenability.
They were dependable simple and trouble free. When it came time to overhaul parts were relatively cheap and plentiful . There were only two pistons not six four valves not twelve. Less parts les money less to go wrong
That was true about most of the other tractors at that time, too. Although it’s true the 2 cylinder had less parts due to less multiples, the parts were also larger and more expensive. Although they had less parts, it wasn’t true they had less problems than other manufacturers or newer John Deeres. The 4020 was an excellent tractor and ran every bit as many hours or more than the 2 cylinder models between overhauls.
@@mikecarr1378the 6cyl gas tractor that IH put out was very simple
@@MaclearieFarms I'm sure it was.
Great video!
This is great, they even knocked the muffler on the green tractor :D
But.... But.... the magical aluminized muffler adds 20 hp, cooks dinner & cures the c word! Of everything mentioned in that vid, that was the funniest. Going tit-for-tat over mufflers.😂
@@ikonseesmrno7300,,, hahahaaaha , the C word🤔 ? hahahaaaha, now you've got my head spinning ,, I'm Thinking of a few different things ,,, hahahaaaha
@@theda850two It's the cell mutation thing. I try to avoid mentioning it here, due to the algorithm always watching. The word isn't bad, mind you. It just brings unwanted attention to the channel.
@@ikonseesmrno7300 oohhhh, that "C" word, It was the last one on my mind :D
That’s an excellent video...👍
Thanks Bill! Glad you enjoyed!!
Saw the video title and was wondering why IH would ever go back and compare their old 560 to a new 4430. Then I remembered that they were talking about 3 digits not 4 digits.
560 drove IH broke 86 series finished them off
The 86s were almost an improvement. Almost.
My Dad had a M IH with a Farmhand F-11 loader on it. Later he traded and got a 560 gas with F-221. It was great. Plenty of power and power steering. I loved that tractor.
How come John Deere is still in business and IH is long gone?
Lucky that's all any company can go on its ass
When I was a kid in Ohio in the 1950s we had a Farmall H and a Case tractor I think part of the reason for this is because the local elevator was also an I H dealer and the reason for the Case tractor was I had an uncle that was a Case dealer.
Even in the 2 bangers John Deere was way ahead in the hydraulics/ power steering department, my 520 front end loader can lift 2500 lbs. easily, an IH loader would struggle trying to lift half that. And Deeres lasted longer, I bet there are many more 2 cyl. Deeres still used on farms than those old 60 series farmalls.
I disagree as the 60 series Deeres had power steering and a true power steering not power assisted steering and Deere do have a TA either all and all 60 series was the better machine
2 cylinder power steering had it's own pump and was Hydrostatic steering, something IH went to with the 706 & 806. Don't need a TA if your engine makes enough torque to power on thru. 730 Diesel would run twice as far and do twice the work of a 560 on a gallon of fuel. No they weren't fast, but when you gotta be next to the fuel barrel to do much, ya ought to hustle back to the field. Then there's the Weasel rear end 560s. Famous for that sudden stop after the pop.
@@thegreenerthemeaner valid point but you’ve never seen my fuel up 😏😏and the breaking of final drives was only due to people putting larger tires on the 560s and getting to much traction and also this is just preference but I like foot clutch’s
@@MaclearieFarms The hand clutch outlived its time I'm afraid with John Deere period but check into the 5 60s they had a huge recall on the rear ends for breaking and it wasn't due to oversizing tires this is when they were less than a year old even 3 and 4 years down the road from new. Many was the cursing screaming farmer that had his rear end go in the middle of corn picking season out in the mud with a 2 row corn picker on it.
John Deere 730 held the fuel economy record from 1957 when it was actually a 720 but it was the same tracker until 1984 when a Yanmar beat it for fuel efficiency. Some tractors came close but nothing beat that 720 diesel for fuel economy in those days. Those aren't opinions those are facts. Every 560 International was recalled for rear end issues and some of the 460s too if I'm not mistaken
@@thegreenerthemeaner only the 560s as only the 560s had the 282 engine but in 1959 IH did a parts revision and designed a new rear end for the 560 in reality the 60 series was a stop gap series so IH could perfect the 06 series but that still doesn’t excuse it’s faults
IH for the win!
I'd take a Fordson Power Major over either .
I'll still take a 520,620,720,820 over a 60 series ih
To say that a two cylinder engine is bumpy and jerky is a drastic understatement. Darn things vibrate so bad it makes your ass itch.
Ive heard they just love breaking u joints and other pto driveline parts. I break enough shear pins with the 4440 john deere I cant imagine a 2 banger. Even deere farms dont use them 2 pots anymore, I have never seen one do a full days work in my life, granted im 23 I see a hell of a lot more old farmalls doing work than old deeres, however I do love me a powershift, great transmission until it goes out then youll be wishing for a t/a repair bill
Oh yeah,..there so good . the 60 series tractors were why IH went Bankrupt !!
IH was still picking on the two cylinders when this was made. JD wouldn't make their 10 series breakthrough for a few months yet. IH's bankruptcy hinged on 30 years of poor management by people that couldn't get with the times & saw the future through their past. Not very forward thinking.
@@ikonseesmrno7300 I agree, they were involved in to many non ag. projects so I belive they didn't have the resources .
Not so. IH made the 60 series in the late 50s and early 60s. They went bankrupt in the late 80s due to poor management
@@oliviahentges2890 JI Case/Tennico bought IHC in 1984 IIRC. The whole IHC-Navistar deal I'm not up on, but IH made some great trucks. The old pickups and Scouts are now the hot setup for the cool kids.
John deere 30 series had superior 3 point hitch and load draft control.
The draft was a joke compared to the traction booster of Allis Chalmers
@@RJ1999x I've never had the pleasure of using either orange tractor brand.
@@johnjenkins8782 the snap coupler with the traction booster on works amazing, the 3 pt hitch one isn't quite as reactive, but much better then anything on the market, until electronics came in
IH 2 point is a good design first tractors to have a float feature
All you have to do is look at who's in business and who's not!
They said Deere didn't have a Diesel to compete with the 460 Diesel, (I think the 730 came in a Diesel form) which would pull a (5) bottom plow unlike the 460 which could pull a 4 bottom plow because the 460 was an (M) clutch transmission and rear end all they did was and 2 more cylinders to make it a 6-cylinder motor. They never talked about the 830, class by itself. Nice video though, all the major tractor companies were always trying to show up Deere. All the companies made great tractors, it was a matter of choice on what your father or grandfather had or what dealership was in your hometown.
I think the 70 was the first diesel from Deere. Some of the Green guys that check out this video may have more info on it. Regards!
@@ikonseesmrno7300 The (R) was Deere's first Production Diesel, the 70 was the first-row crop diesel which set a bunch of records at Nebraska Test's. The 70 was rated a 4-5 plow tractor. Which probably scared most of the competition that a 2-cylinder could have that kind of power and fuel economy.
@@jefffirefighter12106 Thanks! I forget about the R being the first. The 2cyls had so much lugging power due to the bore & stroke on those engines. That & the low gearing that's pooh-poohed in the video here. It was the same deal for the F20 & F30 vs the H & M. The F series were long strokers compared to the Letter Series. If someone wanted to upgrade from an F20 to an H, they were in for a surprise.... or disappointment.
They're right. The IH 560 was the competitor to the 730. The 460 was a smaller diesel and the 340 was a smaller yet diesel. The 660 was on the same class as the 830 and they were actually a little more tractor than the 830.
@@ikonseesmrno7300 The R was the first diesel from John Deere. The R was larger than the 70 and was replaced with the 80.
Am I the only one that watched this and think the hydraulics and T/A maybe a higher speed road gear were the only things that actually give an advantage. Other things like hand clutch, shift pattern, left/right brakes, fuel capacity(we all know farmalls liked fuel), power steering(you had to opt out of power steering for the 530 up I believe), engine sleeves?
No, I really didn't find anything too outstanding, in terms of the offerings from IH outside of what you stated. This filmstrip almost caught me off guard a bit, as it sounds a touch arrogant. It isn't like the other comparison videos that I have posted. Not sure if they were that full of themselves at this point or were already becoming concerned with their future or both. I took a peek & Deere's New Generation is about 14 months off from the date at the end of the video. So, IH may have been picking on who they thought to be a "lame duck"? Just my speculation on it.
@@ikonseesmrno7300 Also the irony is not lost on me that roughly when this came out they had to redesign the 460 & 560 rear ends because they couldn't handle the power increases.
@@ikonseesmrno7300OH made that video to brag about there sales going through the roof in 1959 and IHs biggest fear in 1960 was not Deere it was Oliver
@@MaclearieFarms Oliver had the 6 cylinder long before IH. Was the other big ticket item the IPTO?
@@ikonseesmrno7300 indeed IHs biggest concern was Oliver
explain to me why john deere is no.1 equipment and tractor maker in the world? ih went bankrupet .
IH had too many decades of mismanagement toward the end to have survived. They also suffered growing pains in the '40s & '50s with all the miscellaneous acquisitions & eventual divestments. They only temporarily recovered from that a couple times in the last 40 years of existence. The rear end issues of the 60 series was more of an inconvenience than a death knell. Also, the Axial Flow combines, 2+2s & STS transmissions came around too late to do any good.
@@ikonseesmrno7300 thank you for your comment. i have ran both brands in my 72 year life span and i think john deere is the best.
@@bodiehot Fair enough. I had an IH dealership in the family. They started me off right. Lol! I have my likes & discrepancies with both companies. More so with management than product. But, because I've been around IH all my life, it is my "language" as Deere is yours. Regards!!
@@ikonseesmrno7300 i fully understand. i have to be honest. my grandpa and dad and the rest of my brothers and sons have john deeres. the other 80 percent of my family are ih people, mainly because of a great dealership.
@@ikonseesmrno7300 If the "Anteater" and the Axial Flow had come about 10 years earlier it could have made a difference.
They all had their good and not so good, but John Deere is the only one that is still, John Deere.
Know few farmers switch to ih , from john deer back in 70,80,s 🤔
RUBBISH!!!!!!!!
I'D STILL STICK WITH DEERE!!
The international's were far superior and yet the Deere's thrived. Huh. 🤔
This is right before the tipping point for Harvester, if that helps you with time frame. Roughly 14 months after this was made, JD's New Gen tractors debuted & poo'd on IH's shoes.
@@ikonseesmrno7300 there sure were a lot of 2 cylinder deere owners very happy with their tractors despite how "terrible" they were.
@@fedup3582 That's quite true. And I've known a lot of farmers that wouldn't touch a two cylinder or look at a Deere until the 460/560 came out. IH could have made it past that point relatively unscathed, if it weren't for the incompetent upper management.
Ok, except the '60 series had engine and transmission issues vs the Deere. Now, I'm not saying IHC/Farmall are/were bad because they're not. Just the '60 series wasn't everything that IHC made them out to be. Trying to compare 2 cylinders vs 6, pretty obvious as to which is going to give better fuel economy for the HP produced. Sorry, still have my grand dad's old non styled "B", ran circles around all the other tractors we had. Including JD 3010D, Ford 881 gas, (both of which are 4 cylinders), and my old IHC/Farmall 706 gas which is 6 cylinder.
No the hell it didnt a B is the same size as a farmall H youre telling me your 24 horsepower jd B pulled better than the 80 horsepower 706? Are you smoking the funny grass there buddy?
@@russianacorns8080 you seem to fail to understand the difference between HP and torque. The 2 cylinders pound per pound produced more torque than their equals of 4 cylinder and 6. Besides a 706 was NOT 80 hp. Try 76 hp while the JD 830 2 cylinder was close to the 80 Hp but still had solid torque.
@@Ham68229 Dude you claimed your unstyled John Deere B ran circles around a 706, and a 3010. You’re delusional.
@@russianacorns8080 dude, that "B" went into places that the larger tractors couldn't. Saved us fuel on a lot of the equipment we ran. So, yes, it did run circles around the larger tractors, you're the idiot for not understanding how things actually work on farms. Livestock, grain crop, hay crop. More can be done with smaller tractors than larger ones. Far less fuel was used with that old "B" compared to the larger tractors. Never said it could pull the same equipment, it did however do the same jobs with smaller equipment and smaller patch fields, just made more sense to use it than the larger ones. So, yet it again, it did exactly that. Perhaps if you grew up in a farming family where you made due with what you had, you'd understand but, doubtful you had that kind of life. Also, if you think that these old 2 cylinders couldn't keep up, then explain why there's a video clearly showing a JD 830 2 cylinder pulling a planter way out of its "class" league according to many. You can't. Cheers :)
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Go on, explain it pulling this which it wasn't designed for... It's called torque, it's also called knowing your equipment, Delusional is someone like you who don't want to accept the fact these old 2 cylinders did do far more than what you want to give them credit for.
I have to laugh at some of these comments. Dad made the mistake of buying me a Deere R diesel before my 10th birthday to do spring fieldwork. The dealer sold him a 4-14 trailing Deere plow it couldn't pull, was down in 1st gear on a couple clay hills. Pulled an IH #8 3-14 most of the spring. Dad sold it with 16 acres left to plow, pulled the Deere 4-14 with the FARMALL SUPER M-TA. The township road Commissioner bought the R to drag and rototill scarified dirt roads. They knocked the pto out of that R FOUR TIMES IN FOUR YEARS. Couldn't lug the engine, no center main bearing, you'd break the crankshaft. Dad traded the SM-TA for a 450 gas with Fast Hitch the next spring. It was a REAL 4- bottom tractor. We even pulled a Midwest plow harrow on the Case 4-14 trailing plow. Used an IH #4F-43 fast hitch plow on it 2-3 years with good performance. We did have to replace 2 bearings on the differential shaft the last 2 years we had it, same problem as the 560, it actually started in the 1940's in the M's and Super M's. Less than 5 or 10% of the 560's had problems but IH recalled them all.
Dad replaced the 450 with a 4010 diesel. It was a money pit, any day I didn't have to walk home because it broke down was a good day. First spring we had it tried pulling a 5-14 case trailing plow with Midwest plow harrow, after a day of Dad running in 2nd & 3rd gear we knocked the back bottom off. The 4010 burned 2-3 quarts of oil for every tank of fuel. The BEST DEERE DIESEL TUNE-UP tech tuned it up, the guy's ego exaggerated his sloppy skills. It was getting so it labored pulling our 12 ft, a REAL pump rebuild PRO turned it up to about 105-110 hp, then that fall I popped the head gasket fall plowing. The draft bar seals waited till we just got things rolling good planting corn to start leaking. What a half azz'ed design. Steering across half mile long fields the steering needed to be corrected almost a complete turn, that was a very expensive repair, one I'm glad Dad didn't waste the money on the local techs. We did do a complete overhaul with the M&W 4020 kit, I never had to add oil to it after that. The brakes always grabbed then stuck on. We farmed 200 acres, 160 acre home farm and half an 80 with a neighbor. And something always needed fixing. Neighbor across the road farmed 320 acres with a 560 gas as his ONLY tractor, he had a Cub FARMALL to mow his lawn, two 8N Ford's to take up shed space. He did buy a W-9 gas to backup his 560 to get work done on a more timely manner, he could plow and disk at the same time, or disk with W -9 and plant with the 560. He had an IH 203 combine to shell corn with. Took him ALL winter to combine.
Oh, the last summer Dad farmed, our home farm was being sold, we rented 50-50, so Dad hooked the 4010 to the 6 ft Brillion bush-hog. First day mowing a grass waterway, 3 ft tall grass 5th gear twisted the gearbox output shaft off flush with the grease seal. Next morning he made a parts run, got going about Noon and about 2 PM the pto stub shaft worked loose, grade 8 PLUS capscrews, Red Locktight, lock washers, and that stupid bolt on stub shaft came loose and tried to shift to 1000 rpm. Not sure what that cost to repair but I understand around $1000-PLUS. I've read the only positive way to keep that shaft attached is to weld it on. The small independent shop that rebuilt the injection pump and did the major overhaul also fixed the pto AND found a buyer for this green piece of JUNK. Kid about my age is buying it, so it has to have an M&W turbo installed that all the modifications needed INSIDE the block were done during the overhaul. Took about 6-8 months when the kid comes looking for Dad to see how much of the new transmission and rearend Dad's going to pay for, most of this tractor was new or rebuilt already, new paint, new electrical& batteries, 4 new tires, sheetmetal was straight, even the seat looked almost new. Neighbor we farmed the 80 with had the very first side console 4020 around which got a Year-A-Round cab then an M&W turbo.
Supposedly our 4010 had already been overhauled with a 4020 kit when we bought it Christmas of '68. It still had the original 15.5x38 GY 45 degree lug tires on the back, they were around 55-60% tread left but had spun on crushed rock quite a bit, but before we took it to the field it had brand New GY 15.5x38 8-ply POWER-TORQUE's.
Guy I worked for part-time doing fieldwork had a pair of '64 or '65 4020's, one WFE and factory cab, other NFE open station, both synchro-range. The NFE was trouble- free, the WFE decided to strip the splines on the hyd pump coupling, had to make a week long trip to town waiting in line for a shop stall. A 4320 replaced it the following spring and a side console nfe 4020. Even the green tractors have problems!
My SON worked at Deere Davenport Plant for 10 years. He was an inspector for the Grader line and also the loader line. He rejected TWO big 6 cyl engines in loaders, harmonic balancers beat onto the end of the crankshaft crooked, had dents showing evidence of being beat on with a sledge hammer. If I was paying Deere's staggeringly high prices I'd want Mother Deere to give the assemblers the right tools.
Your recount is always appreciated as are others who have chimed in. To me, it's part of what makes listing these filmstrips, videos, etc. interesting.
My question is, was the W9 a better lugging tractor than the 560? That W9 was a big hunk of iron in it's day. The 560 is no joke either, but it's not a 660.
man back when IH was number 1
1206>4520
Oliver was better than both, until White took over...
Charles City made one hell of a product.
Deere people make me laugh. I worked for Deere for over a decade and I'll be the first to tell you if my 2 options to farm with was a 730 or a 560 that damn 730 would be parked in the fencerow pretty quick lol and anyone's who has ran both for any real working time couldn't argue that with a straight face
Ok. And when you shell out the rear end of the 560 I'll go get the 730 and "pop-pop-pop" my way to getting the job done. LOL
@@seththomas9105 whatever you tell yourself to sleep at night. Lol
@@loganhanes8196 It's all good. Spent time on Green, Red, and the REAL green, so I know they all had their pluses and minus.
And God knows a hand clutch does NOT work on a loader tractor.
@@seththomas9105 lol agreed. Appreciate the attitude. They definitely all have Thier drawbacks
Go John Deere bye Farmall John Deere still in business and international harvester isn't😂😂😂😂
Oliver was better than both, with exception of the White Management team... :(
ya but there not green 🤣
That's ok, there's no green in the JD filmstrips either. 🤣
😂 i dont like deere either. foreign junk.
And just a few years later, Deere was numero uno -
Not hardly. Just a few years after the 60 series IH came along with the 656 756 ect. which was miles ahead of jd at the time
@oliviahentges2890 in my opinion, I just look at what you see more often in the field from this Era. It's almost always an old john deere or oliver.
@@aidencrawford3487 not around here.
@@aidencrawford3487 I think it just depends on where you grew up. In the 70's and 80's it was about 3 way tie JD-IHC-Oliver in my neck of the woods, the A/C in fourth with MM, Case, and Ford here and there.
IH was way ahead of everything else at this time!
Oliver might have something to say about that.