Joel dude needs to stop looking at shots per game to say “he’s not sacrificing”. It’s more to it than that. Tatum isn’t a player who usually comes out the gate taking 7 shots in a first quarter he might not even take 7 shots until mid way through the second quarter. It’s a lot harder to get a rhythm when you have to make sure your teammates get going first. Why you think every time The Celtics are winning a first quarter by like 12 and Tatum has like 3 shots taken, they start saying he’s getting carried? It’s because most people don’t understand basketball on that level.
These casuals now a days, look directly at the numbers that do not define how good or bad a player is or was in a game or series. Pretty much, numbers ..that DO NOT DEFINE winning basketball. The Casual checklist. 1. Check Box Score 2. Check the players makes and misses 3. Check the players shooting percentage. 4. Makes a decision directly off of them numbers , to determine if the player had a “ good game “ or not. NONE OF THOSE numbers matter, especially ,if a player is doing pretty much everything else to effect the game.
How Tatum played in the finals is how he should always play. A point forward who can switch on all 5 positions, playmake, facilitate, rebound and take jump shots occasionally to keep the defensive honest
The Tatum criticism is getting crazy , especially when there’s not much to say . Many players that people say are better don’t have the resume nor the maturity to sacrifice. Even Jordan , Kobe , and other greats sacrificed to win championships. It’s fair to say Tatum could’ve played better in terms of shooting in the finals but still impacted the game at a high level. Brown’s performances should credit Tatum for getting his teammate going knowing how much better the team plays when JB is attacking downhill.
@@Matthew-xl5bc JT led the team in Assists also but that won’t be mentioned when it comes to sacrifice. His playmaking was a huge reason the team succeeded plus other things. Scoring is great but impacting the team in other ways plus that is better.
@@NielfisherBeing able to impact the game other scoring isn’t unique to Tatum. Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid, AD, LeBron, and SGA can impact other aspects of the game than just scoring. Elite players impact the game in multiple ways so let’s not act Tatum is the only player capable of that.
He was too inconsistent throughout their run to the championship. He sacrificed and deserves a lot of credit with his playmaking defense and rebounding . But he still hasn’t had that all time great run individually to be in bpitw convos
When they talk about Jt’s misses they say he was off and shooting bad but when they talk about Luka’s misses they say he was just missing shots he normally makes😂😂as if there isnt a reason Luka is missing😂😂😂😂😂the Luka love is outta hand sometimes
Wym “reason” Luka missing? We just wintnessed this man DESTROY the all time great wolves defense that jokic couldn’t solve. We seen Luka fry the suns too HE LIKE THAT. When tf has Tatum had a signature playoff series this season???
@@MavDon-qc9tc he averaged 30 in the ECF and led the team in points rebounds and assists 💯idk if you a luka dick rider or a tatum hater but either one is wierd asf😂😂😂
Joel loves to point out tatum not actually sacrificing because he still shot the most shots. But if he sacrificed the same way he did, yet didnt take many shots, you'd probably call him scared, got no confidence in himself etc. So, what, he shoulda took 1 shot less per quarter and then hes perfectly sacrificing?
It’s pretty simply, Tatum either needs to take fewer shots or shoot more efficiently. Just because he was missing a ton of shots doesn’t mean he was “sacrificing”
@@bbcpfghshe sacrificed his style of play….but agreed, the only flaw in his game this previous championship season was his efficiency. Once he improves that there are ZERO arguments. He’s a complete player.
@@curtislinden9297these guys just don’t understand that just because shots aren’t falling doesn’t mean your having a bad game, also sacrificing for Tatum means he doesn’t get as much shots as other stars around the league or have the usage rate as other stars, that’s going over peoples heads
Tatum is better than Luka and SGA but fans can’t cope. Taller, most athletic, best shooter, improved play maker, best defender, most proven, and Champion
to all NBA fans there is no point in having an ALL NBA 1ST selection then when one of the players in there goes to the finals while others don't then decide to say he is not bcz he has a better team, Tatum is top 5 in fan and media voting,
Like that Tatums defense was acknowledged in this conversation how he completely took Dallas out of their offense by guarding the 5 but Jaylen gets all this credit for guarding Luka but Luka literally would come up court and force a switch all game long so Jaylen shadows him up the court switches off as soon as a pick comes from anyone on Dallas and jaylens given credit for defense in every argument but Tatum brown horford white holiday Pritchard hauser tillman all checked Luka multiple times every game
Tatums played point guard on offense and defended centers on defense. And his team won the chip and this dude on hear yapping about some missed shots 😂
These Tatum haters dont have an actual real good reason to hate him. Ppl jus hate celtics n the hate spilt on Tatum. And the media plants all the hate for the sheep to feed off of. BUT the reality is.. the same haters would be on their knees with their mouths open to have him on the their team! 😂🍀🏆💍
when tatum retires his resume probably looks like this: - 4/5x nba champ - 3 gold medals - 1x mvp - 2/3x fmvp - 12-15x all-star - 8-13x all-nba - 30k+ career points scored (only 7 guys have done that to this point) - 10k+ career rebounds - top 3 in playoff wins all-time - top 3 in playoff points scored all-time - top 3 in usa basketball points scored all time you cant deny that resume. that puts him in the kobe/tim duncan range all time. like 6-11 best player of all time. some1 give me a good reason he doesnt end up with all of this on his resume!
It’s apple and oranges. Tatum literally saw the other teams best defender every possession basically. The scouting reports are for Tatum not JB. But really the final factor for me was what was said at 10:02. JB was the main in the important moments. So the FMVP was deserved.
OG is crazy, the type of bias towards Tatum is so clear. The competition they faced this postseason was easier than th3 other teams he mentioned. Tatum sacrificed? I guess shooting 20-25 times a night is sacrifice because he could’ve taken 30 shots instead I guess? Other players have less offensive threats around them and yet don’t shoot half as bad as Tatum.
These casuals now a days, look directly at the numbers that do not define how good or bad a player is or was in a game or series. Pretty much, numbers ..that DO NOT DEFINE winning basketball. The Casual checklist. 1. Check Box Score 2. Check the players makes and misses 3. Check the players shooting percentage. 4. Makes a decision directly off of them numbers , to decide if the player had a “ good game “ or not. NONE OF THOSE numbers matter, especially ,if a player is doing pretty much ,everything else to effect the game.
Man the way mfs treat Tatum like a baby is crazy. Like bro he had endless iso in the finals vs Luka,DJJ and PJ he just couldn’t make shots bruh. Stop tryna act like he was playmaking cuz he wanted HE HAD TO cuz he couldn’t fucking score
U sound dum asf😂you think when he was driving to the paint and passing out of triple and double teams he did it cause he was missing shots😂😂😂Fuck no he did it cause if 2-3 people are on me someone’s OPEN💯🤷🏽♂️i can tell you never played in a real basketball game before
SGA is absolutely better than Tatum at this point and it’s not discrediting Tatum to point that out. What’s so wrong with Tatum being the 6th best player in the league???
He gets doubled constantly because he’s the best player on the Celtics and their goal is to give Jayson Tatum fits and not let them go off and force others on the Celtics to score. I think being a team player to win a championship versus playing as an individual to win a championship
7:30 Look at Jimmy Butler in those two final runs he got carried by undrafted role players along the way. When they got into the NBA finals, he ran into better teams and didn’t have consistent role players by his side. He had to do everything when playing against the Lakers and the Nuggets.
Luka wasn’t hard to defend. Even Hauser did an excellent defending job on a tired and beaten up Luka. Brown shot 31% from 3. Keep it real…Top 5 and 2 way player
Tatum got more pressure to win every year than any other player in the league. Yall don’t understand what this man is about to do to this league now that he finally got a championship. Sure he didn’t win FMVP but he won and that is what matters. The one thing yall said he couldn’t do he did it. Same with Jaylen Brown. The disrespect these 2 young dudes have been hearing all of their careers finally has no real merit because they won. They will get better with less pressure I’ve seen it happen.
Well, I do think Jason Tatum was their best player. We still have to acknowledge the fact that his kempt shot is extremely worrying, but the way that it faltered throughout the postseason. It’s great that he has a good enough of a team so his poor shooting doesn’t really affect the overall dominance of the Celtics.
Embiid should really be outside of everyone's top 5 players in the NBA. I'm so sick of the tireless and same excuses we have for Embiid, but don't share that same sentiment towards other players as well. Tatum > Embiid, and its not even a discussion anymore.
just because celtics won a ring doesn’t mean we need to lie to prop up JT sure he didn’t enough to make the celtics lose but he didn’t play at a level that you couldn’t ask for from atleast 10-15 players in the league nothing about this playoff run should elevate his standings in the league and in reality it would’ve lowered it had he not had easily the best help in the league, also we need to stop this bs where someone is clearly underperforming but to try to save face by bringing up other parts of their game that are already expected or the standard is so low that we gas up any improvement in that aspect to make it seem better than what it was
Tatum is great, no one denies that, but when comparing him to other top players he is clearly far more inconsistent than them. There’s a reason the Celtics needed a team as stacked as this years team to win a ring, if he truly was top 5 they would’ve won before this when they had less talent on the team.
@@sandcsavage4791 The Cavs in 07 had no business of being in the finals in the first place and LeBron still carried them there when he was playing with a G League team . The entire Spurs starting 5 only focused on LeBron. LeBron with that 2022 Celtics team in his early Cavs days wins that series easily
@@sandcsavage4791 I am saying Lebron in his early Cavs days never had the rosters to compete for a championship. 2011 is his only finals loss where I say he completely sold that ring
na it's: giannis=jok > embiid > tatum=sga=luka > bron=ad=kd=steph > book=ant=mitchell=brown=brunson i think you can rank players within a tier based on preference but generally guys have similar impact within each tier
Well, I do think Jason Tatum was their best player. We still have to acknowledge the fact that his kempt shot is extremely worrying, but the way that it faltered throughout the postseason. It’s great that he has a good enough of a team so his poor shooting doesn’t really affect the overall dominance of the Celtics.
Joel dude needs to stop looking at shots per game to say “he’s not sacrificing”. It’s more to it than that. Tatum isn’t a player who usually comes out the gate taking 7 shots in a first quarter he might not even take 7 shots until mid way through the second quarter. It’s a lot harder to get a rhythm when you have to make sure your teammates get going first. Why you think every time The Celtics are winning a first quarter by like 12 and Tatum has like 3 shots taken, they start saying he’s getting carried? It’s because most people don’t understand basketball on that level.
These casuals now a days, look directly at the numbers that do not define how good or bad a player is or was in a game or series. Pretty much, numbers ..that DO NOT DEFINE winning basketball. The Casual checklist. 1. Check Box Score 2. Check the players makes and misses 3. Check the players shooting percentage. 4. Makes a decision directly off of them numbers , to determine if the player had a “ good game “ or not. NONE OF THOSE numbers matter, especially ,if a player is doing pretty much everything else to effect the game.
How Tatum played in the finals is how he should always play.
A point forward who can switch on all 5 positions, playmake, facilitate, rebound and take jump shots occasionally to keep the defensive honest
And hardly make any of his shots too. People don’t understand that’s the sacrifice it takes 🙄😂
Your fav player cant guard tatum btw@@Tommy-sb9tw
@@Tommy-sb9tw he hardly makes any of his shots but no team is brave enough to say off and let him shoot, wonder why 🤔
@@emdeezy7529 and I bet you think he was being doubled the whole series too huh?
The Tatum criticism is getting crazy , especially when there’s not much to say . Many players that people say are better don’t have the resume nor the maturity to sacrifice. Even Jordan , Kobe , and other greats sacrificed to win championships. It’s fair to say Tatum could’ve played better in terms of shooting in the finals but still impacted the game at a high level. Brown’s performances should credit Tatum for getting his teammate going knowing how much better the team plays when JB is attacking downhill.
Tatum was still taking the most shots on his team but he just missed them. It really wasn't a sacrifice
@@Matthew-xl5bcand still did everything else expect scoring to a tee
@@Matthew-xl5bc JT led the team in Assists also but that won’t be mentioned when it comes to sacrifice. His playmaking was a huge reason the team succeeded plus other things. Scoring is great but impacting the team in other ways plus that is better.
@@NielfisherBeing able to impact the game other scoring isn’t unique to Tatum. Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid, AD, LeBron, and SGA can impact other aspects of the game than just scoring. Elite players impact the game in multiple ways so let’s not act Tatum is the only player capable of that.
@@Matthew-xl5bc None of the replies say that. Stop reaching.
Boston Celtics 2024 NBA World Champions
It’s apple and oranges.
Tatum literally saw the other teams best defender every possession basically.
The scouting reports are for Tatum not JB.
Tatum is clearly top 5.
He was too inconsistent throughout their run to the championship. He sacrificed and deserves a lot of credit with his playmaking defense and rebounding . But he still hasn’t had that all time great run individually to be in bpitw convos
Jokic
Giannis
Luka
Joel
SGA
He can be 6 but he’s just not good enough individually to be top 5
@@bbcpfghshow you putting joel above tatum when his ass is in street clothes half the season? SGA is also arguable
@@karlliebknecht2987Brown just played better in the finals lmao
@@bbcpfghsJoel is Tatums bitch if we’re being honest
When they talk about Jt’s misses they say he was off and shooting bad but when they talk about Luka’s misses they say he was just missing shots he normally makes😂😂as if there isnt a reason Luka is missing😂😂😂😂😂the Luka love is outta hand sometimes
Wym “reason” Luka missing? We just wintnessed this man DESTROY the all time great wolves defense that jokic couldn’t solve. We seen Luka fry the suns too HE LIKE THAT. When tf has Tatum had a signature playoff series this season???
@@MavDon-qc9tc he averaged 30 in the ECF and led the team in points rebounds and assists 💯idk if you a luka dick rider or a tatum hater but either one is wierd asf😂😂😂
@@MavDon-qc9tc weirdo reference a suns series from years ago but then tries to hold Tatum to this season 😂
@@emdeezy7529 dumbass I mentioned the wolves too 🫵🏽😭
All time 😂😂😂😂.
Why does it matter that jb had a better finals series than tatum? He also had a better series than luka but no one is saying jb is better.
Joel loves to point out tatum not actually sacrificing because he still shot the most shots. But if he sacrificed the same way he did, yet didnt take many shots, you'd probably call him scared, got no confidence in himself etc. So, what, he shoulda took 1 shot less per quarter and then hes perfectly sacrificing?
It’s pretty simply, Tatum either needs to take fewer shots or shoot more efficiently. Just because he was missing a ton of shots doesn’t mean he was “sacrificing”
@@bbcpfghshe sacrificed his style of play….but agreed, the only flaw in his game this previous championship season was his efficiency. Once he improves that there are ZERO arguments. He’s a complete player.
@@curtislinden9297these guys just don’t understand that just because shots aren’t falling doesn’t mean your having a bad game, also sacrificing for Tatum means he doesn’t get as much shots as other stars around the league or have the usage rate as other stars, that’s going over peoples heads
Tatum is better than Luka and SGA but fans can’t cope. Taller, most athletic, best shooter, improved play maker, best defender, most proven, and Champion
Tatum is ok yall dragging it
@@steffanbrown4780 Waylen CLEARS
to all NBA fans there is no point in having an ALL NBA 1ST selection then when one of the players in there goes to the finals while others don't then decide to say he is not bcz he has a better team, Tatum is top 5 in fan and media voting,
Like that Tatums defense was acknowledged in this conversation how he completely took Dallas out of their offense by guarding the 5 but Jaylen gets all this credit for guarding Luka but Luka literally would come up court and force a switch all game long so Jaylen shadows him up the court switches off as soon as a pick comes from anyone on Dallas and jaylens given credit for defense in every argument but Tatum brown horford white holiday Pritchard hauser tillman all checked Luka multiple times every game
Dudes dont understand how hard it is to lead an intramural team in pts, reb & assist let alone do it in the nba playoffs.
Tatums played point guard on offense and defended centers on defense. And his team won the chip and this dude on hear yapping about some missed shots 😂
He played center to stop the alley hoops and played point forward
These Tatum haters dont have an actual real good reason to hate him. Ppl jus hate celtics n the hate spilt on Tatum. And the media plants all the hate for the sheep to feed off of. BUT the reality is.. the same haters would be on their knees with their mouths open to have him on the their team! 😂🍀🏆💍
Tatum leads his team in pts, reb, assist throughout the playoff run:
This dude: tatum not the best player on the team
Hilarious! 🔥
JT is by far the best n most prolific post szn performer of his generation.
He’s on a top 5-20 trajectory
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Aw fuck no 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@aminetaganza5613 who is it then?? Since 2018 who has more wins or points than jt in the whole league let alone his generation??
@@thingumajiger3289 this is an objective fact. No1 has more wins or more points in the playoffs since he came in the league in 2018
when tatum retires his resume probably looks like this:
- 4/5x nba champ
- 3 gold medals
- 1x mvp
- 2/3x fmvp
- 12-15x all-star
- 8-13x all-nba
- 30k+ career points scored (only 7 guys have done that to this point)
- 10k+ career rebounds
- top 3 in playoff wins all-time
- top 3 in playoff points scored all-time
- top 3 in usa basketball points scored all time
you cant deny that resume. that puts him in the kobe/tim duncan range all time. like 6-11 best player of all time.
some1 give me a good reason he doesnt end up with all of this on his resume!
It’s apple and oranges.
Tatum literally saw the other teams best defender every possession basically.
The scouting reports are for Tatum not JB.
But really the final factor for me was what was said at 10:02. JB was the main in the important moments. So the FMVP was deserved.
OG is crazy, the type of bias towards Tatum is so clear. The competition they faced this postseason was easier than th3 other teams he mentioned. Tatum sacrificed? I guess shooting 20-25 times a night is sacrifice because he could’ve taken 30 shots instead I guess? Other players have less offensive threats around them and yet don’t shoot half as bad as Tatum.
These casuals now a days, look directly at the numbers that do not define how good or bad a player is or was in a game or series. Pretty much, numbers ..that DO NOT DEFINE winning basketball. The Casual checklist. 1. Check Box Score 2. Check the players makes and misses 3. Check the players shooting percentage. 4. Makes a decision directly off of them numbers , to decide if the player had a “ good game “ or not. NONE OF THOSE numbers matter, especially ,if a player is doing pretty much ,everything else to effect the game.
Tatum avg 30/10/5 i the ECF final, he for sure should have been MVP in that series. As for the finals it was closer between him and JB
It's crazy that these non ball playing guys can say he played bad, yet dismissing he led team in 3 major categories throughout the playoffs...smh.
Man the way mfs treat Tatum like a baby is crazy. Like bro he had endless iso in the finals vs Luka,DJJ and PJ he just couldn’t make shots bruh. Stop tryna act like he was playmaking cuz he wanted HE HAD TO cuz he couldn’t fucking score
U sound dum asf😂you think when he was driving to the paint and passing out of triple and double teams he did it cause he was missing shots😂😂😂Fuck no he did it cause if 2-3 people are on me someone’s OPEN💯🤷🏽♂️i can tell you never played in a real basketball game before
JT is better than SGA and is top 5 please stop trying to discredit him
literally
he doesn’t do anything better than sga other than shoot more 3s, rebound and rim protection
SGA is absolutely better than Tatum at this point and it’s not discrediting Tatum to point that out. What’s so wrong with Tatum being the 6th best player in the league???
@@vonnypooh8564Playmaking.
@@vonnypooh8564bro you just described the most important aspects of the game. Tatum is arguably a better playmaker too
He gets doubled constantly because he’s the best player on the Celtics and their goal is to give Jayson Tatum fits and not let them go off and force others on the Celtics to score.
I think being a team player to win a championship versus playing as an individual to win a championship
7:30 Look at Jimmy Butler in those two final runs he got carried by undrafted role players along the way. When they got into the NBA finals, he ran into better teams and didn’t have consistent role players by his side. He had to do everything when playing against the Lakers and the Nuggets.
Kobe shot 1% better than Tatum and won finals MVP
Tatum is one of the most complete players in the league. Easily top 5 all around, his only weakness is occasional inefficiency scoring
Luka wasn’t hard to defend. Even Hauser did an excellent defending job on a tired and beaten up Luka. Brown shot 31% from 3. Keep it real…Top 5 and 2 way player
Y’all literally wouldn’t do this to any other player that lead his team in pts ,rebs & asts IN THE FINALS so why Tatum ???
Tatum got more pressure to win every year than any other player in the league. Yall don’t understand what this man is about to do to this league now that he finally got a championship. Sure he didn’t win FMVP but he won and that is what matters. The one thing yall said he couldn’t do he did it. Same with Jaylen Brown. The disrespect these 2 young dudes have been hearing all of their careers finally has no real merit because they won. They will get better with less pressure I’ve seen it happen.
@@thegreat1885 Waylen CLEARS
Well, I do think Jason Tatum was their best player. We still have to acknowledge the fact that his kempt shot is extremely worrying, but the way that it faltered throughout the postseason. It’s great that he has a good enough of a team so his poor shooting doesn’t really affect the overall dominance of the Celtics.
If you have him top 5 then you don’t have the correct standards for a top 5 player
Top 5 on his own team maybe
when the cavs won kyrie was the closer and not lebron
It’s crazy that praising Tatum will get more clicks that’s how hated he is.
Embiid should really be outside of everyone's top 5 players in the NBA. I'm so sick of the tireless and same excuses we have for Embiid, but don't share that same sentiment towards other players as well.
Tatum > Embiid, and its not even a discussion anymore.
just because celtics won a ring doesn’t mean we need to lie to prop up JT sure he didn’t enough to make the celtics lose but he didn’t play at a level that you couldn’t ask for from atleast 10-15 players in the league nothing about this playoff run should elevate his standings in the league and in reality it would’ve lowered it had he not had easily the best help in the league, also we need to stop this bs where someone is clearly underperforming but to try to save face by bringing up other parts of their game that are already expected or the standard is so low that we gas up any improvement in that aspect to make it seem better than what it was
Tatum is great, no one denies that, but when comparing him to other top players he is clearly far more inconsistent than them. There’s a reason the Celtics needed a team as stacked as this years team to win a ring, if he truly was top 5 they would’ve won before this when they had less talent on the team.
So by that knowledge does Lebron first 2 rings not count since he get to put a stacked team together?
@@sandcsavage4791 The Cavs in 07 had no business of being in the finals in the first place and LeBron still carried them there when he was playing with a G League team . The entire Spurs starting 5 only focused on LeBron. LeBron with that 2022 Celtics team in his early Cavs days wins that series easily
@@rohangupte3545 so because they didn’t belong there it doesn’t count?? These narratives don’t make sense 😭
@@sandcsavage4791 I am saying Lebron in his early Cavs days never had the rosters to compete for a championship. 2011 is his only finals loss where I say he completely sold that ring
Bro i hate this stacked talk no one said we were stacked or picked us to win the chip before the season started it was always Nuggets
He’s not though…
Joel basketball takes are trash city!! Especially when its about the celtics
Jokic, Embid, Luka, Giannis and JB before JT so can’t be top 5
how is embiid top 5? He hasn't accomplished anything and is always fucking hurt
He aint even the best player on the celtics
If tatum top 5 Ant and SGA must be top 3 cause they both better 😂😂
U dont know ball at all😂😂😂😂JT is a 4x 1st team all nba player 4 years in a row
Jokic >= Giannis > Luka > Embiid >>>>>>>>>>> SGA >= JT
Giannis is better than joker
na it's:
giannis=jok
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embiid
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tatum=sga=luka
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bron=ad=kd=steph
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book=ant=mitchell=brown=brunson
i think you can rank players within a tier based on preference but generally guys have similar impact within each tier
@@taylor7264 sga and Tatum ant even close to Luka dude 💀 other wise not bad
@@ronnellrandle569 maybe but he’s been hurt for the past 2 playoff runs so it’s been a whole since we’ve seen him on the playoff stage
Tatum barley a Top 10 player
casual bum
go clock in at micky ds
@@uoooogg2148Don't project your job at Micky ds buddy.
@@PintoBeans9637roomtemp iq take
I agree. Outside of narrative and team record nobody can explain why Tatum is better than LeBron right now
Well, I do think Jason Tatum was their best player. We still have to acknowledge the fact that his kempt shot is extremely worrying, but the way that it faltered throughout the postseason. It’s great that he has a good enough of a team so his poor shooting doesn’t really affect the overall dominance of the Celtics.