The fact that he was stumped by a simple anecdote shows that he has not spent even a moment thinking this through or being exposed to an opposing view.
@@nostalgiatrip7331 And I expect that is exactly the way he wants it. The blacks I know do not like anything homosexual and, surprise, surprise, that is their right.
I bet that guy saw Rogan criticize trans kids or something and just thought he'd agree and be done, he probably didn't think he'd have to defend that comment. They being LGBTQ related and all.
The irony is, young children who've been untainted by homophobia have no trouble at all understanding this, whereas this grown-ass man is utterly perplexed by it. My own two children - both the product of a straight marriage - were raised alongside several children with parents who were either two women or two men, all dear friends of our family. We even took a Disneyland vacation with one of these families. My kids had ZERO problem understanding it. It wasn't until my kids got a little older and started noticing homophobia that they had trouble understanding THAT. Explaining homophobia to my children was far more difficult, frankly.
@@fredbologn2344 Lol, do you feel the need to explain heterosexual acts of sodomy to CHILDREN just because you see a family headed by a straight couple? No? Then why would a family headed by a gay couple be any different? I swear, you people are more obsessed with gay sex than gay people are.
I remember my little brother (10 years younger) recognising two gay guys for the first time, he was about 6. He was like “what’s going on?” He turned to me like 😳. I said “oh yeah. Sometimes men like men and they love each other”. His reaction was “ah ok”. And we went on with our day.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them.
I had a teenage friend who's dad was gay and lived with his boyfriend, and she turned out to be the most normal adult while I've had friends with hetero parents and they've turned out to be a mess.
Well according to that fella Rogan was talking to, your friend is "fucked up", being raised by the gays and all, and your friends with the straight parents are all doin' great..
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
@@thomascarroll39 the logical response is that those men enjoy having it in them just as women do. Not to difficult to understand. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes, just because you don't agree or understand doesn't make it wrong.
@@thomascarroll39 You aren't explaining women as "allowing erect penises to enter a body cavity". You do not have to bring up sex to explain gay people any more than you do with straight people. You are making something sexual that doesn't need to be.
For anyone who doesn't know Ali's background, he's a stand up comedian who tells stories largely around his experiences in the Jail and prison systems so his anti-gay position might be from prison culture, not political or religious culture. Not justifying it, he's still completely wrong on all accounts, just giving some potential background info.
it could also be that his fundamentalist view on religion is also from the prison culture. but it is interesting that the prison culture would indeed cultivate this clear black-and-white anti-gay position. reminds me of that scene in atlanta with the black trans and how everybody mocked the other black guy to tears.
Its especially rich from an ex prison inmate to deny others the right to have kids when there would be so many who would deny him his just based on this fact. Dude doesn't seem like the brightest bulb in the box to me tbh...
@@averywealthyman4194 Not entirely sure if “wow cry me a river” means you think I was defending him but just in case let me clarify that I said “Not justifying it at all, he’s still completely wrong on all accounts”. I was just adding clarification to Kyle’s commentary in the video at 7:05 about being raised in a fundamentalist household implicating Ali’s bigoted view to religion. 10:30 when he said “I don’t know enough about this guy Ali Sadiq but often times the same conservatives” implicating political ideology and also admits he doesn’t know the potential source of his beliefs and could use additional insight. 11:20 when Kyle says “you were raised in a fundamentalist environment” (despite the fact Kyle may have been speaking in general terms here, not directly about Ali). So I was just bringing up that prison culture can be pretty anti-gay as well and there are multiple rotes to take to be instill such backwards thinking and having a bigoted mentality but yes, at the end of the day a bigot is a bigot regardless of their “reason” so we’re on the same side here just with slightly different energy lol. Have a good one.
@@inherblues7261 oh definitely. Bigotry in the name of political or social conservatism backed by religious fundamentalism as a “source” guideline go hand in hand for many people. I was merely stating that in addition to religious fundamentalists and political conservatives as the basis for an anti-homosexuality view point, two things neither Kyle nor I know for sure about Ali’s life specifically despite it being the go to reason’s Kyle mentioned in this video, prison culture is also typically anti-gay and I for sure knew Ali specifically filters most of his world views through the lens of a former inmate as shown in his stand up comedy so once again was only giving potential background info on this specific person who Kyle had admitted in the video he doesn’t know that much about.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
As Louis CK said about the whole 'what am I supposed to say to my child' argument: 'I don't know it's your shitty kid, you tell them. Why is that someone else's problem?'
@Usa city man I liked your comment about women abusing child support cuz that is true. But now, you're being a bigoted troll. You're a confusing one indeed.
Sometimes I forget that gay rights isn't just a solved issue in the current year... There are actually people in the modern era who still think ass backwards about it.
I just have one question? Why should we promote to society an inferior lifestyle that has on average higher STD rates, drug use, doesn't promote reproduction of more children and overall shorter life expectancy compared to herero's?
Anytime someone defaults to "well, think about it as if they're dogs" when explaining their reasoning about minorities, the only good answer is judgmental staring.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them.
There have been a lot of kids who committed suicide because of bigots like him. Millions of people had to stay in the closet all of their lives and live a lie because of hateful and bigoted people like him as well.
I actually hate when either side uses animals as reasoning to argue about human sexuality. I don’t wanna hear about gay zoo penguins parents either. Irrelevant!
I’ve yet to see anyone ever raise the “what do I tell my kids?” argument over any topic that is actually difficult. It’s not like people be sitting around screeching about how we gotta ban differential equations and general relativity just because it’s hard to explain to a 10 year old. It’s 2 people raising a kid but both of them are dudes. There, explained.
Narrowed mind views points and they can't understand it outside of them projecting a abusive objective. It's surprising this guy is a comedian and has creative talent without having the imagination that gay couples can't raise a child.
Seriously though why are we teaching calculus in high school instead of like, personal finance? What use does a young adult have for subatomic physics when they can't even change their oil?
Love how Kyle Kulinski is saying this about Joe Rogan but won’t mention the fact that Rogan defended the FL don’t say gay bill and claimed the bill was to stop grooming of children. When the reality is, children have gay parents, siblings, and relatives, and kids at the school will know and bullying could occur therefore it’s important to have these discussions. It’s also a huge attack on free speech. And Rogan claims to be the free speech guy.
On yes its free speech to teach small kids about highly inappropriate sexual material when they don't even understand what sexuality is. You people are sick in the head.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them.
One thing I have come to realize as I've gotten older, is that intelligent people tend to approach controversial topics with nuance seeing most things as shades of gray, while idiots tend to only think about things dualistically, and have black and white opinions.
Ya anti-other people in general dont know how to think and in terms of the nervous system, are a total failure at being a human being. Like a human brain is so extraordinary, but like they waste the best thing in this universe being wrong with a quantum computer in their head. To recap, literally a quantum computer that has more space than any computer. And they literally on purpose have to fight their brains innate sense of trying to understand the world to make it black and white. If they were a computer youd throw it away if it kept adding wrong. But in social interactions their ideas are never deleted they just stick around and even get called valid by some. Its illogical.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
the dude kept his son ignorant on purpose...also, argues that "the kid is set up to get fucked up"and pretty much educates his child to "do the fucking up". Perpetuating the cycle of ignorance.
The kid is going to find out that gay people exist. This isn't going away. He's gonna find out and he's gonna judge his dad for not being willing to say so. Just like I do.
@🇷🇺 Russian Waifu (Russian Patriot) It does the opposite though. Shielding them from the reality that homosexuality is natural and healthy and instead replacing it with bigoted myths; what children ACTUALLY need protection from.
Kyle did get one thing wrong. He views this guys beliefs as primative and while it is old and stupid it's not primative. Tribes don't raise kids the same way we do. They don't view kids as personal possesions, they view them as of being apart of the tribe and the tribe raises them. The idea that kids belong to 2 parents was something that evolved when nations were born and even way back than in a lot of places it wasn't quite like the way it is now but still thats when this notion of kids belonging to their parents as possesions came from
Understanding? Let me ask you something, why do homosexuals feel a desire to adopt children? Is it because procreation is hardwired into their DNA? No matter how much they may desire to engage in same sex activities their very biology screams out for them to do the most basic aspects, such as procreating.
@@luisalejandro2335 Probably because sexual attraction and the desire to have a family are two completely different things. That you can’t comprehend that is a sad reflection on your intellect.
As a man who was raised by a lesbian mother I can attest that it doesn't really matter who your parental figures are, just how they behave and raise you.
Did you hear about the dont murder babies bill the gop put forward? (anti abortion bill ) that’s the dishonesty that they’re pushing . Don’t say gay is literally what democrat ic staffers said and the whole media ran it like lapdogs.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them.
The "How do I explain this to my kids?" argument is super-weak. It's a go-to for conservatives. Having kids signs you up for lots of uncomfortable conversations. If you have a problem with said conversations, don't have kids.
These are the same people who think a person can somehow be coerced into being gay or that it's a philosophical decision because often times, for them it is because they're bi lol.
Lol how would it even be an "uncomfortable conversation" Like, sometimes people get married. People have sex. If a male human and a female human have sex it can produce a baby. Not very complicated, or "uncomfortable" pretty easy to understand and communicate
The world only matters for breeders. Why you weird ppl who don't even have kids trying to shape the future and change things. Nobody even gonna care when you pass on, except for maybe the predatory health care company that gets paid to look after your dying corpse.
Imagine that often these same people send their children to bible studies for hours every week to teach them the complex concepts of God, Messiahs, Sin, Commandments, church, etcetera.
I fail to even see how this is hard to explain. Like how do you explain babies to kids? If you take the stork route and lie, choose a different lie (or the same one). If you tell the truth, just tell the truth. What is hard about this?
With any luck, the kid will recognize how shitty his dad is once he gets out of the house. Can't keep him from learning about the beautiful complexities and diversity in this world forever. Just glad that people like this guy are on the way out- they're losers personally and politically lmao
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
The right-wing owner of the company I worked for freaked out when he took his 12 year old son to a restaurant & the waiter was a gay guy wearing makeup. He made the manager get them a different server & said how am I supposed to explain that to my kid. I said it would be horrible if he had to tell his kid that this was a free country
@@Skoomz they think seeing gay people will make the kids gay which doesn't make sense because years of only seeing straight people didn't make all the gay people stop existing
@@iiii-i8322 Yeah, there are a lot of bad parents with a lot of problems. Guess this is one more way to be a bad parent: Teaching open-minded kids to shut that down and "feel uncomfortable." It's pathetic in the 21st century.
@@Bickle121 agreed. Kyle's desperate to rehabilitate Rogan and encourage the lefty portions of his personality. Kyle's turning a blind eye to all Joe's ugly bits. There's a reason a homophobe found his way onto Joe's show, and the reason is that Rogan plays too nicely with bigots and conservatives.
@@oijnoijnoijnoijnoijn Kyle is pathetic on rogan. David pakman is able to criticise rogan when he deserves it and still praises him in other ways. It’s just so obvious when Kyle K criticises others for having the same views as rogan, that he’s just keeping open a JRE slot
"I think it's icky so it shouldn't be allowed" "Why should anyone care what you think?" Exactly what I've been shouting at the internet since 2014 at least.
@@ॐIo yeah. Exactly. And no one judging. Like the supposed Adam and Eve in paradise. Good example of icky being the worst judge of right and wrong. Harm and pain are far better judges of right and wrong than ohh no my icky feeewings.
Feel free to dislike, this is a very uncomfortable story. One time my cousin asked me to walk his very large unhinged dog that weighed more than me. I tried to gently guide it, but it growled and got in a lunging position… I just did what came naturally and kicked it right in the snout and gave a battle cry. It understood the message, I never needed to do that again and I tried to be nice to the dog later on (show it affection, give it treats, etc), even defending it from another dog once. I’d like to believe me and that dog are cool now. Dogs were bred to think somewhat like humans socially: the ones raised by people obsessed with the concept of dominance (or in a community of dogs where that is the “dog culture”) will have adorable little authoritarian personalities. Unfortunately, these dogs only speak the one-dimensional language of dominance (as opposed to the dogs raised properly to only be motivated by unconditional love), and if you ever find yourself on the wrong side of a dog who thinks he could kick your ass, abuse might be the only recourse in a flash. Still, this guy sounds like such an authoritarian dumbass, he probably wouldn’t know the difference between a playful dog and an aggressive one; DEFINITELY not a guy who could raise a dog to be unconditionally loving when he spends so much time trying to discredit people’s sense of love😂
@@Revengetoa2 the issue with dogs and their behaviour is very similar to the issue with human behaviour. Any single standalone instance does not even give relevant information. The personality of animals, humans included, is developed over the course of their life. To be disciplined or well behaved, the animal, humans included, must have constant reinforcement over the course of its life. An untrained dog, or child, needs stronger reinforcement depending on how long they have gone without reinforcement. In many cases, especially if the animal is unfamiliar with you, strong reinforcement can send a permanent message but will not impact their behaviour away from you. The way to prevent needing something like "dominance assertion" is to do it gently over a long period, every time the animal tries to do something that you do not accept. Well trained animals will usually respond to very very little input, usually just a look or a sound, from those that trained them. Even animals that have been reasonably well trained, even if that training has relaxed a lot, will at least give serious consideration to commands. Tl;dr you kicked the dog because the owner didn't give it the training it deserved. Bad owners make bad animals.
@@Cheesus-Sliced Exactly; I tried to convey something like that, but you get it💯 The problem is honestly that my cousin’s wife is a narcissist and doesn’t know how to condition the dog’s behavior, sporadically praising him after he messes up and randomly getting angry with him when she’s pissed.
I'm not gonna lie... I felt and thought the same way 15 years ago. But a lot's changed since then. Being older and being raised conservative isn't an excuse.
Two parents of the same gender are just as capable of raising children well; there's no reason to think otherwise or contrary evidence. What's actually harmful is raising kids in poverty, which is why we need democratic socialism.
@@williamrosario8534 I mean honestly... ok sure, yes. It's probably ideal that a child has a loving and supportive mother and father. But not everyone does. Having 2 loving and supporting fathers/ mothers is definitely better than having just one parent. Or having an abusive parent. Or having no parents. If there's evidence that gay couples are poor parents or do worse raising children, I haven't seen it.
He was wrong or weird about damn near everything, except for goth girls being hot he was correct about that. This guy in the same podcast said he'll strike his dogs to assert dominance and that he doesn't see women as womanly for weirdly specific things like some dirt gets on their feet, so I think it's safe to say he sees the world in a warped way in general.
From what i can tell by that, he never advanced past the mental age of 12. Everything is dimorphic hyper sexualism with him. 'Whos being man enough, whos being womenly enough.' 'Reproduction is everything' On this overpopulated planet know the f its not. Lol
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
He knew two guys who mixed a cum cocktail and forced a woman to give up the baby. Shining example. Only Hollywood Joe would actually think that shits not absolutely disgusting.
@@Jack-mw9lw introducing capitalism into basic family unit structures seems a little questionable imo. The fact that they're paying women to have their kids, no strings attached, is a problem. Do they do mental health follow-ups on surrogates? Giving up a baby you carried for 9months and birthed, just so you can pay your rent sounds like it would be highly traumatic. Why can't they just adopt children that need homes instead of creating new ones? That's the justification liberals constantly use, yet that's increasingly not the case.
This new idea of “shielding kids from anything different” never flew during my own childhood in the 50’s and 60’s! You were exposed to all kinds of things. In the late 60’s and 70’s there were porno theatres in every metro area in the U.S., both straight and gay. I don’t recall any outrage over exposing children to adult things back then. Why so NOW, 50 years later??
They always say a kid needs a mother and father yet when a father goes off and dies in war leaving the mother to raise the family by herself they're oddly quit. Where's the outrage for the children there?
They're also cool with depriving orphans of a pair of loving gay/lesbian parents, but some might, MIGHT, consider a single woman being a parent. I think anyone should be allowed to parent orphans.
I'll never forget the look on my 7 year old sons face when i explained to him why his favorite aunt had a wife and his favorite cousin had a husband. He just looked at me and said love sounds weird can i go play my video games now😂. I figure in a few years when he hits puberty he'll understand.
@@aznanimegob Yeah the only people freaking out about things like that are adults with some kind of agenda. Kids that age dont really care about complex things. They love every one and just want to have fun.
Exactly! My own two kids were raised around other children from several different families headed by gay or lesbian couples. My kids had ZERO problem understanding it and barely even noticed any difference, all they really noticed is who had which Pokemon cards and who had a kickass trampoline in their backyard. However, once they got a little bit older and they started noticing homophobia in the world around them, they had a REALLY hard time wrapping their brains around THAT. Explaining homophobia to my children was 1,000% more difficult than explaining why Jamie has two daddies.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
@@bobbun4369 I think the OP just had poor sentence structure. The OP meant that "More people should be like Joe and laugh in bigots' faces." The OP didn't mean to say that Joe was bigoted. I get your confusion.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them.
Given this whole "kids need their mother and father"...... Where's all the people crying about divorce? All the deadbeat dads leaving their families high and dry? What if your parents are abusive? Best to keep them together :p Life is messy and it's not your business. Who cares?
@@kenlee4356 i dont got any kids but who tf wouldnt complain about child support? the way it is in the usa is a joke, the mothers use like 20% - 50% of it on the kid & then pocket the rest for themselfs. the whole system needs a refresh
It's the most ridiculous idea that all those straight people who are SO fucked up, are automatically better and more healthy parents than a rich gay couple because "duuuh, nature."
The fact of the matter is they do. More should be done to speak out about good parenting. Tradition isn't always bad. Your grandparents generation had much less of these problems.
Joe handled that situation like a mature, responsible adult. He didn't get mad or offended or kick the guy out, and in the end he made that other guy look like the fool that he is. That's how its done, and this world would be much better off if everyone behaved like this when talking to someone with a differing opinion.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
My guess is there's plenty of kids without parents who would jump at the chance of being raised by a loving same-sex couple rather than spend their entire childhood in an orphanage.
You say " Son, the sex of a person doesn't have any relation to how well a kid can be raised. Im other words, it doesn't matter who raises you as long as they impart good values and teach you how to live a respectable life full of joy"
someone should look up the meaning of the word "dismantle" in the dictionary, also Joe didn't laugh at the guest, he laughed out of awkwardness because he made his guest uncomfortable
@@waltergrace565 Basically, Joe says conservatives are only bad at gay issues rather than war, housing, ect. . Then says the don't say gay bill is about teachers teaching students about gay issues. The actual bill is about not mentioning anything gay or you could be prosecuted by parents. Joe lies and says teachers are teaching students about gay issues and they should only be teaching math and science.
@@proto7310 Oh, nah, you're confused too. The bill is ONLY about not having specific lessons about anything sexual in nature. You're trying to conflate two different things and assert something that literally isn't there.
Rogan could've just said, "Not that long ago, some people would've said that you should only marry a person that was the same color as yourself. And they felt so strongly about it that some of them committed murder. They were absolutely certain that they were right. Have you heard about this?"
My boss is gay he is Allso the best boss I've ever had. His kids all graduated from college. Now compare that with my family of 10 with a conservative parents and a bigoted dad. They were to busy with their feeling and themselves to make sure all the kids got what they needed to succeed.
I have a friend who is anti-gay because "it's wrong and un-natural" who could not cope with the question "what about straight parents who are bad parents, worse parents that another gay couple who are good parents? He can't cope with it because it doesn't fit his anti-gay bias.
What did he do when people asked that? Just shut down? Tried to side step it? Walk away? I often wonder how people who are pressed on that question react when they’re cornered?
I'm proud of Joe for this one. Saw Ali on Comedy Central. Found him funny and thoughtful. Hope he educates himself on this because bigotry is such a character stain on an otherwise cool person.
I agree. Ali is a really good and really funny comedian hopefully he gets educated. But this is pretty common in the black community. People in the black community tend to be quite anti gay it’s a very big problem.
Maybe it'll happen, but I doubt it. He has what I call ( from being raised around it my whole life ) "hood mentality". A form of social conservatism that comes from religious minority households formed around antiquated social norms of the nuclear family with an emphasis on hyper-masculinity in males to the point of toxicity. He's also a hardcore Muslim ( converted in prison ). His identity is linked to how he perceives his own masculinity ( seen as strength ), and that masculinity is dependent on rejecting what he views as not masculine ( gays ). Could also be a case of "Me thinks he doth protest too much" .
@@jamiedoe6822 I disagree that it’s not a big problem. I still see tons of casual anti gay attitudes but everyone has a different experience. I would just say generally I think the black community is worse with this than others.
As a person with two moms, that was odd to watch. I’ve thought about this question of whether you need both sexes to raise a child effectively. First of all, that’s the same thing as a single parent raising a kid, but with more support. I haven’t noticed any problems except being more comfortable around woman, and other similar things, but it’s not very noticeable and may not actually be because of that. Either way interesting to listen to.
Yeah, there's less raw homophobia and racism in 2022 than there was, say, a half century ago, but there's still plenty out there. I had the misfortune of living with an old school white supremacist once- terrible experience. They believe their God can beat up your God, basically.... It's always religious, and they're not happy people. Happy people see themselves in others.
The only thing you need is a stable household. Data supports 2 parents are better than one, but what it ultimately comes down to is resources and stability, and a properly supported single parent can raise just as successful a child as anyone else.
The real dog analogy would be "if you can't birth a dog, you can't have a dog as a pet". Works for just about anything too. I'm not a farmer so what right do I have eating some corn. I'm not in a space to grow corn, so I shouldn't have any. Flawless reasoning.
@@CaBdosdos dogs are a result of breeding by humans, they don't have the same traits as their ancestors who were more suited to their environments. I can't imagine letting a chihuahua run around in the snow all night because "dogs are animals meant to be outside"
@@CaBdosdos Dogs are domesticated and created by humans from wolves. Stick to your god and fantasies, it's always hilarious when religious morons talk about science, let alone evolution.
Love how the same people who preach about freedom hate the freedom of 2 consenting adults choosing to be romantically involved with each other. I mean why do these people care if someone is gay or not? How is that in any way affecting their own life?
They feel that they’re standing up for the child who can’t stand up for themself. They feel two same gender parents harms the kid. They’re in the wrong, but they feel they’re doing something righteous.
It astounds me that an African American, who living in this country has had to deal with institutional racism every fucking day of their lives, can feel this way about some other group. I know everyone is an individual and should be looked at that way, but you think he would have a little more insight into this.
honestly im amazed someone with the actual free time and access to the internet still believes stuff like that. someone who is struggling to get by and surrounded with people like that at least i have sympathy for
@@iiii-i8322 Not believing that gay people should adopt kids is the textbook definition of homophobia. That's like saying "I don't hate black people, but I don't think that black kids should go to school with white kids"
They're still two different things. A religious person, for example, can recognize the various race-related issues in society and fight to make them better, yet their religion condemns gays. So maybe they'd disagree with the lifestyle, but still recognize that they deserve basic human rights and the privileges of citizenship. It's a little like when America was faced with a deadly Pandemic that starts killing it's citizens by the hundreds of thousands, yet doesn't institute even a temporary system of universal healthcare.
He's the one screwing up HIS kid. Gonna make him grow up to be as bigoted as him. I don't know any gays, but I know we don't need more hate in this world. This shit ain't hard.
All that happened here is Rogan looks good when compared to someone who's even more ignorant and misinformed than he is. This week Rogan said that he supports the Don't Say Gay bill. Where's Kyle's video on that?
There is evidence that growing in a single parent household can be detrimental to the development of children. However, I am not aware of any study suggesting that having two fathers or two mothers is a bad thing, quite the opposite. Having 2 parents is important, but their sex doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned.
The child absolutely needs a positive MALE and FEMALE role model. This can be an uncle/aunt, family friend, etc, but a child needs both to be well rounded.
@@GeorgeEugeneBarrett Based on what evidence? All the studies I see on the matter show that kids in same sex couples perform just as well or even better in school.
I think the evidence is a little more basic than that.. A community of people (2 or more) raising a child is what matters. Doesn't matter if they are blood, fathers, mothers, aunts or uncles... Children watching multiple people working together, helping them, helping each other... That's what matters. That's what's missing when only 1 parent is raising a child. Does not make it wrong, but definitely is different for children than the alternative.
Just gonna note that these subjects are a lot more nuanced than people tend to think. There are actually _Left_ arguments against surrogacy, too. A brief example: Patriarchy oppresses women in order to make a commodity of and extracts value from female reproductive capacity. When we prioritize the fetus over the woman, we dehumanize her by treating her as merely a means of (re)production from which value is to be extracted. Surrogacy likewise treats a woman as a mere means of (re)production, perhaps even more obviously, as it amounts to renting her body. If we accept that people should not be used as capitalist resources, then we should not approve of exploiting women's reproductive function.
Yep, sad to say but mostly black and spanish people are the most bigoted to LGBTQ. But you know whats the most f up part is that black and spanish trans people get beat and killed the most. So these black men and women spreading hate ironically effects other black people too. Yet they immediately claim this is a made up white people thing. But you know im white so there is zero way to elucidate how a black person is being prejudice or racist. Because then id be racist somehow.
When “straight” men get really upset by the topic of gay men, when they display anger towards the subject, something else is going on underneath the surface. When these types of men get really uncomfortable when the topic comes up, they don’t know how to process their feelings. It’s always the ones that yell the loudest 😉
Im a pretty big Rogan fan for the most part but he doesn't deserve much credit for this. he wasn't laughing at the guy to mock him, he was trying to lessen the awkwardness.
@bobby macallister cause that's his podcast, good God. He likes to talk to comedians, fighters and generally interesting people. This guy was a comedian. If you only invite people you agree with it makes for a very boring conversation. It's the same with a debate, you can't really have a debate with someone who agrees with you all the time, you need to have some opposition to sharpen your points. Look you may not like Rogan I don't know, I assume you don't. But if you really want to get a fair sense of who he is, just listen to some of his podcasts. He invites people from all walks of life, but it usually falls under few very broad camps. Either they are just interesting people, fighters or they are comedians. These descriptors can intermix as well. And I say broad cause they are interesting to him, this could mean one day he has a politician on and another day he might have a musician or a climate scientist, or a professional spear fisher. He doesn't control what they might saying certain topics, he doesn't hand them a list of topics, he just brings them on and goes from there.
@bobby macallister and that's fair, but I think you should be open to hearing differing views. Certainly some things can be truly insane, but I would rather hear them so that we know it's out there and potentially have their views crushed and you just never know some people will actually question those views down the line. If you haven't seen it, I would encourage you to watch Rogan's first podcast with Daryl Davis, or just look up Daryl Davis. Super interesting man. Unfortunately we are just humans, and a lot of us have some dumb ass views, but some aren't so far gone that they can't be changed. My mother used be against gay marriage despite having gay friends, friends who I called my uncles, who are still my uncles to me despite no blood relation. But my mother was raised catholic and that was enough for her not to agree with gay marriage. She is not against it anymore and a more open person now, but it always baffled me growing up. I would argue with her when I was in high school. People will disappoint you from time to time, but that doesn't mean they are terrible to the core. We are all capable of a great things and truly terrible things, we have to acknowledge that in order to be better people. Listening to differing views can be a way to challenge your beliefs or further strengthen them. Anyway don't want to bore you with my speal. Take care and be safe.
@10:20 I’ve heard this statistic and my understanding is that it’s because it’s quite hard for gay parents to adopt so they have to be exceptionally more successful and put together than an average heterosexual couple in order to successfully adopt, so there’s a bias in the population of children being raised by gay parents; those that do are more likely to be raised by competent, caring and diligent parents who worked very hard to become those parents, which is obviously a beneficial trait for parenthood.
Anti-Sodomy definitely stems out from religious/cultural upbringing. I don’t know if this man is religious, but his opinion is not unique. Especially in the African American, and Arab communities, it is very hard to find someone who respects homosexuality. In the black community, even gay men are somehow obligated to act tough and hard at all times, which is mentally devastating.
Saying its very hard to find someone who respects homosexuality is an erroneous and antiquated view of black people, im knee deep in black culture, and youre making it seem like 80% of all black people are against these things when it is not the case....its not very hard at all to find African Americans who support homosexuals...and if you're black and still pushing this, expand your circle my guy
If the LGBTQ+ people want to really confuse the religious right, start thanking them for making abortion more difficult, as it is increasing the number of babies available for them to adopt.
Why is it bad to criticize Islam even though it’s worse on most progressive issues than Christianity is? I don’t understand why you dislike Sam Harris’s brand of atheism
This asinine argument reminds me of the old days when a single parent (usually the mother) was frowned upon by these same kind of bigots and "right do gooders "
Strong family structures don't require exclusively 2 parents (regardless of gender). It just require strong-minded moral parents who actively work towards their child's physical and mental health. If a single one can pull it off that's fine, kudos to them. A single good parent vs. 2 lousy parents -> judgmental primitive people who judge books by their covers will be like: "that single parent is awful for their child! Why can't (s)he be married like this other couple?" Appearances mean squat. Action say all. If you're not involved in other people's lives, you don't get to judge them without knowing anything about them. That's a bigoted way of thinking. Nobody would like being told by strangers how to raise their own children....so wouldn't that logically apply in reverse as well? Oh wait, bigots don't believe in logic.
@@mystman7722 umm yes they do. Each parent provides things the other can’t. That’s why it’s optimal. “Bigot”??? You people throw that term around like a beach ball at a concert. If it in any way deviates fro. Your opin, you deem it bigoted…. How low brow
@@bobbun4369 forcing people to stay together won't make them good parents or people only further traumatize the kid while they continue to resent eachother
I'd love to hear what people raised by gay parents have to say on this issue. I'm curious if there is a difference between those raised by two moms compared to two dads
It is anecdotal but two of my best friends are brother born in like a really impoverished trailer park type family that got adopted by two rich lesbians, one of them has been in and out of serious drug addictions his whole life and the other one has a very strained relationship with his own kids and women around him. They both have told me they agree that getting adopted was better then the previous situation but that they don't feel they would have turned out nearly as fucked up if they didn't have a father figure
The difference is that with so many "observers" the gay couple will never make anything that might even remotely resemble lack of care. And better cared for children tend to have happier lifes.
Okay but isn't it weird that he holds this position AND defends the Don't Say Gay bill at the same time? Like in the same week he had this take as well as saying we shouldn't be pushing the idea on kids. Seems like he's speaking out both sides of his mouth tbh
Damn I guess I don't listen to enough of Ali's comedy (guess that's a good thing) cause I had no idea he was like that. His Mexicans got on boots bit is hilarious
Honestly Joe is such a chill dude to even continue the podcast with that guy after that conversation. I was simmering just listening to that bigot speak.
I would have interrupted early on. It wasn't even a remotely intelligent approach at bigotry. Most bigots who talk about their hatred for a living at least have 5 or 6 thought-out talking points that eventually falls back to "traditional family values". I'd rather deal with that person because you can at least wait patiently for some coherent argument to fall out to cut the legs from under. This was just bable and dribble, leaving the listener's jaw on the floor. Dude could have just said "I think it's gross and sinful and I don't want my kid growing up like that."
@@SocialistStrike I find it ironic how a socialist is defending a lifestyle that is not only hyper individualistic and heavily promoted by capitalists even the Soviets in 1950s called it a disease of bourgeoise and even accused fascists of being closeted gays. Western socialists continue to be liberals larping as socialists.
I’m getting tired of Kyle caping for Rogan. What about the countless times Rogan has pushed some anti trans narrative? Just a few days ago he defended the anti LGBT bill from Florida. Why not make a video about that?
The fact that he was stumped by a simple anecdote shows that he has not spent even a moment thinking this through or being exposed to an opposing view.
Jupp!
i somehow doubt he has ever spent more than a few minutes in the same room interacting with a family comprised of gay man
@@nostalgiatrip7331 And I expect that is exactly the way he wants it. The blacks I know do not like anything homosexual and, surprise, surprise, that is their right.
I bet that guy saw Rogan criticize trans kids or something and just thought he'd agree and be done, he probably didn't think he'd have to defend that comment. They being LGBTQ related and all.
@@nostalgiatrip7331 I would argue most people haven’t
Joe defeated him with his greatest technique "I know a guy".
Joe "I know a guy" rogan
Joe knows a lot of guys 🤷♂️
Was it Michael Yo?
Joe "A buddy of mine" Rogan
But if you know I a guy then you know
"You want me to explain this to my kids?" Yes, bozo, you're their FATHER, that's what parents are SUPPOSED to do.
The irony is, young children who've been untainted by homophobia have no trouble at all understanding this, whereas this grown-ass man is utterly perplexed by it.
My own two children - both the product of a straight marriage - were raised alongside several children with parents who were either two women or two men, all dear friends of our family. We even took a Disneyland vacation with one of these families. My kids had ZERO problem understanding it.
It wasn't until my kids got a little older and started noticing homophobia that they had trouble understanding THAT. Explaining homophobia to my children was far more difficult, frankly.
Explain your sodomy?
No thanks pal
I like how this answer doesn’t fuck around haha
@@fredbologn2344
Lol, do you feel the need to explain heterosexual acts of sodomy to CHILDREN just because you see a family headed by a straight couple? No? Then why would a family headed by a gay couple be any different?
I swear, you people are more obsessed with gay sex than gay people are.
@@warriorwaitress7690
No. Because straight people don't have to perform sodomy to have sex. Male homosexuals do.
I remember my little brother (10 years younger) recognising two gay guys for the first time, he was about 6. He was like “what’s going on?” He turned to me like 😳. I said “oh yeah. Sometimes men like men and they love each other”. His reaction was “ah ok”. And we went on with our day.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them.
Aww
I had a teenage friend who's dad was gay and lived with his boyfriend, and she turned out to be the most normal adult while I've had friends with hetero parents and they've turned out to be a mess.
I know quite a few kids and adults raised by same sex parents and they are all succesful, kind and generous humans.
Well according to that fella Rogan was talking to, your friend is "fucked up", being raised by the gays and all, and your friends with the straight parents are all doin' great..
@@missp498 Nope, they are "fucked up", each and every one..
i'm kidding.
That is because having two partners that love each other as parents is INFINITELY more important than whether those partners are man woman
Exactly; I was born to hetero parents and I'm a train wreck!
It blows my mind that people would rather a child be an orphan and living an orphanage rather than to be adopted by two gay parents.
@@NewNormalWorldOrder You must have never been to a trailer park or a urban environment
@@NewNormalWorldOrder What??? 🤯🤯🤯
but what if it was a Dave Rubin? I'd rather be an orphan lol
@@NewNormalWorldOrder Gonna need to see some receipts for that bruh.
@@NewNormalWorldOrder Fun Fact: and it far better for a child to grow up with LGBTQ parents than live their childhood in an orphanage
That dude out here making arguments against gay couples on the same level as, "if evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?"
Like the meme of the Golden Retriever sitting at a table wearing a camo hat: “IF WE WAS DESCENDED FROM WOLVES THEN WHY IS THERE STILL WOLVES?”
"George Bush Jr made it over the hump, why can't the rest of them?"
That monkey question would probably stump that dude.
@@williamcozart8158 Him and Katt Williams.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
If this guy doesn't know how to talk to his kid, then he's the one who shouldn't have kids. Problem solved!
Okay. How do you explain that there are men that allow erect penises to enter a body cavity. I'll wait for your logical response 😅😅
Hello!
@@thomascarroll39 the logical response is that those men enjoy having it in them just as women do. Not to difficult to understand. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes, just because you don't agree or understand doesn't make it wrong.
I wonder what the guy would say if it wasn't two men or women but an interrracial couple.
@@thomascarroll39 You aren't explaining women as "allowing erect penises to enter a body cavity". You do not have to bring up sex to explain gay people any more than you do with straight people. You are making something sexual that doesn't need to be.
For anyone who doesn't know Ali's background, he's a stand up comedian who tells stories largely around his experiences in the Jail and prison systems so his anti-gay position might be from prison culture, not political or religious culture. Not justifying it, he's still completely wrong on all accounts, just giving some potential background info.
it could also be that his fundamentalist view on religion is also from the prison culture.
but it is interesting that the prison culture would indeed cultivate this clear black-and-white anti-gay position. reminds me of that scene in atlanta with the black trans and how everybody mocked the other black guy to tears.
Its especially rich from an ex prison inmate to deny others the right to have kids when there would be so many who would deny him his just based on this fact. Dude doesn't seem like the brightest bulb in the box to me tbh...
@@averywealthyman4194 Not entirely sure if “wow cry me a river” means you think I was defending him but just in case let me clarify that I said “Not justifying it at all, he’s still completely wrong on all accounts”. I was just adding clarification to Kyle’s commentary in the video at 7:05 about being raised in a fundamentalist household implicating Ali’s bigoted view to religion. 10:30 when he said “I don’t know enough about this guy Ali Sadiq but often times the same conservatives” implicating political ideology and also admits he doesn’t know the potential source of his beliefs and could use additional insight. 11:20 when Kyle says “you were raised in a fundamentalist environment” (despite the fact Kyle may have been speaking in general terms here, not directly about Ali). So I was just bringing up that prison culture can be pretty anti-gay as well and there are multiple rotes to take to be instill such backwards thinking and having a bigoted mentality but yes, at the end of the day a bigot is a bigot regardless of their “reason” so we’re on the same side here just with slightly different energy lol. Have a good one.
@@jonathanorozco3244 to be fair, most conservative religious ideologues oppose homosexuality. let's not be obtuse.
@@inherblues7261 oh definitely. Bigotry in the name of political or social conservatism backed by religious fundamentalism as a “source” guideline go hand in hand for many people. I was merely stating that in addition to religious fundamentalists and political conservatives as the basis for an anti-homosexuality view point, two things neither Kyle nor I know for sure about Ali’s life specifically despite it being the go to reason’s Kyle mentioned in this video, prison culture is also typically anti-gay and I for sure knew Ali specifically filters most of his world views through the lens of a former inmate as shown in his stand up comedy so once again was only giving potential background info on this specific person who Kyle had admitted in the video he doesn’t know that much about.
I've got a gay dad, love him and his husband to bits, as do our kids. Joe is right on, its just part of everyday normal life.
It definitely isn't
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 it is now shut up and go sit down.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
It's not statistically or functionally normal.
@@mitchyoung93
How?
As Louis CK said about the whole 'what am I supposed to say to my child' argument: 'I don't know it's your shitty kid, you tell them. Why is that someone else's problem?'
I use that line often.
@@jonide8914 same except I say ugly for more effect lol
Exactly. If you are so dumb, that you can't explaineven simplest thing to your kids, YOU shouldn't have kids.
Lol 😆
Brilliant.
As a black man, I find it fundamentally wrong to oppress gay people after the unjust oppression we have suffered for years.
False equivalency
As a retard, I find it fundamentally peanut butter.
In particular the stigma placed on interracial marriage. That was condemned as “unnatural” too.
@@bren6344 no it’s not
@@bren6344 hating someone for their very nature is most certainly not a false equivalency.
If you can't explain this to your kid without doing it in a hateful way maybe it's you that should not be alowed to have children.
i love how the left is trying so hard to normalize this freak show shit.... ali sadiq isnt the one with the problem here
@Usa city man I liked your comment about women abusing child support cuz that is true. But now, you're being a bigoted troll. You're a confusing one indeed.
Well said.
@@iiii-i8322 what happened to freedom?
@@iiii-i8322 been normal for a while now. Honestly conformists like you are the weird one
Sometimes I forget that gay rights isn't just a solved issue in the current year... There are actually people in the modern era who still think ass backwards about it.
Many peoppw will, in general, ad infinitum. People are stupid.
Hehehehehehehe
Ass backwards....
@@kenbee1957 😏
I just have one question? Why should we promote to society an inferior lifestyle that has on average higher STD rates, drug use, doesn't promote reproduction of more children and overall shorter life expectancy compared to herero's?
@@hailbane9633
What do any of the above have to do with adopting children?
Anytime someone defaults to "well, think about it as if they're dogs" when explaining their reasoning about minorities, the only good answer is judgmental staring.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them.
"But two male dogs can't have puppies" wow, I can't believe this is still the level of discourse coming from the anti-gay camp.
It’s Bro Rogan. That’s right in the middle of that audience demographic.
Echo chambers are useless, ehh? Did you all think these attitudes disappeared when you moved to the city?
LMFAO stating facts is wrong.
There have been a lot of kids who committed suicide because of bigots like him. Millions of people had to stay in the closet all of their lives and live a lie because of hateful and bigoted people like him as well.
FUN FACT: The very best way (BY FAR) for a child to grow up is with a father who was born a male and a mother who was born a female.
This dudes mistake was comparing humans to dogs.
He's been treated like one his whole life so it makes sense his world view is warped.
I'd say that that was just one of his many mistakes.
@@TheNickjhaight agreed. Way more than one.
Yeah, like a fox...
I actually hate when either side uses animals as reasoning to argue about human sexuality. I don’t wanna hear about gay zoo penguins parents either. Irrelevant!
I’ve yet to see anyone ever raise the “what do I tell my kids?” argument over any topic that is actually difficult. It’s not like people be sitting around screeching about how we gotta ban differential equations and general relativity just because it’s hard to explain to a 10 year old. It’s 2 people raising a kid but both of them are dudes. There, explained.
Right? I’ve never seen someone arguing to ban thermodynamics
@@wilcee238 please guys, don’t be pushing the anti diff eqs, thermo agenda. I need my job.
Narrowed mind views points and they can't understand it outside of them projecting a abusive objective. It's surprising this guy is a comedian and has creative talent without having the imagination that gay couples can't raise a child.
Kids are simple like quantum mechanics
Seriously though why are we teaching calculus in high school instead of like, personal finance? What use does a young adult have for subatomic physics when they can't even change their oil?
Love how Kyle Kulinski is saying this about Joe Rogan but won’t mention the fact that Rogan defended the FL don’t say gay bill and claimed the bill was to stop grooming of children. When the reality is, children have gay parents, siblings, and relatives, and kids at the school will know and bullying could occur therefore it’s important to have these discussions. It’s also a huge attack on free speech. And Rogan claims to be the free speech guy.
He’s running cover for him
On yes its free speech to teach small kids about highly inappropriate sexual material when they don't even understand what sexuality is. You people are sick in the head.
In fuckin 3rd grade bro stop this shit.
😂dude what?
@@Twulfbynight what do you mean what? What are you confused about?
Tbh Joe wasn't really laughing at him... He was laughing to appear non-confrontational and make his guest more comfortable
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them.
One thing I have come to realize as I've gotten older, is that intelligent people tend to approach controversial topics with nuance seeing most things as shades of gray, while idiots tend to only think about things dualistically, and have black and white opinions.
Ya anti-other people in general dont know how to think and in terms of the nervous system, are a total failure at being a human being. Like a human brain is so extraordinary, but like they waste the best thing in this universe being wrong with a quantum computer in their head. To recap, literally a quantum computer that has more space than any computer. And they literally on purpose have to fight their brains innate sense of trying to understand the world to make it black and white. If they were a computer youd throw it away if it kept adding wrong. But in social interactions their ideas are never deleted they just stick around and even get called valid by some. Its illogical.
So true. You realize if someone is that black and white something is off. You have to take a step back.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
the dude kept his son ignorant on purpose...also, argues that "the kid is set up to get fucked up"and pretty much educates his child to "do the fucking up".
Perpetuating the cycle of ignorance.
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The kid is going to find out that gay people exist. This isn't going away. He's gonna find out and he's gonna judge his dad for not being willing to say so. Just like I do.
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@🇷🇺 Russian Waifu (Russian Patriot) obvious troll is obvious. Hope you are not getting payed in Rubels.
@🇷🇺 Russian Waifu (Russian Patriot) It does the opposite though. Shielding them from the reality that homosexuality is natural and healthy and instead replacing it with bigoted myths; what children ACTUALLY need protection from.
This guy Rogan is interviewing is what you can get when your ideology matter more to you than understanding other human beings.
SOOOO TRUE. Well typed.
Kyle did get one thing wrong. He views this guys beliefs as primative and while it is old and stupid it's not primative. Tribes don't raise kids the same way we do. They don't view kids as personal possesions, they view them as of being apart of the tribe and the tribe raises them. The idea that kids belong to 2 parents was something that evolved when nations were born and even way back than in a lot of places it wasn't quite like the way it is now but still thats when this notion of kids belonging to their parents as possesions came from
Understanding? Let me ask you something, why do homosexuals feel a desire to adopt children? Is it because procreation is hardwired into their DNA? No matter how much they may desire to engage in same sex activities their very biology screams out for them to do the most basic aspects, such as procreating.
@@luisalejandro2335
Probably because sexual attraction and the desire to have a family are two completely different things.
That you can’t comprehend that is a sad reflection on your intellect.
@@blargh3428 Well typed.
As a man who was raised by a lesbian mother I can attest that it doesn't really matter who your parental figures are, just how they behave and raise you.
Good luck to you in your participation of the great american sexual expiriment. May our grandchildren love one another.
also some people get really hung up on biological parents being superior. i have one dad and one step dad. my step dad is way better
I’d like to see Kyle cover Rogan’s highly misinformed (to put it nicely, discussion of the “Don’t Say Gay” bill.
You mean the bill that doesn't allow teachers try to talk about sexuality to 2nd graders 🤣
He won’t of course
Did you hear about the dont murder babies bill the gop put forward? (anti abortion bill ) that’s the dishonesty that they’re pushing . Don’t say gay is literally what democrat ic staffers said and the whole media ran it like lapdogs.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them.
The "How do I explain this to my kids?" argument is super-weak. It's a go-to for conservatives. Having kids signs you up for lots of uncomfortable conversations. If you have a problem with said conversations, don't have kids.
These are the same people who think a person can somehow be coerced into being gay or that it's a philosophical decision because often times, for them it is because they're bi lol.
Lol how would it even be an "uncomfortable conversation"
Like, sometimes people get married. People have sex. If a male human and a female human have sex it can produce a baby. Not very complicated, or "uncomfortable" pretty easy to understand and communicate
The world only matters for breeders. Why you weird ppl who don't even have kids trying to shape the future and change things. Nobody even gonna care when you pass on, except for maybe the predatory health care company that gets paid to look after your dying corpse.
Imagine that often these same people send their children to bible studies for hours every week to teach them the complex concepts of God, Messiahs, Sin, Commandments, church, etcetera.
I fail to even see how this is hard to explain. Like how do you explain babies to kids? If you take the stork route and lie, choose a different lie (or the same one). If you tell the truth, just tell the truth. What is hard about this?
I feel bad for this dude’s son
Yep he's gonna grow up all effed up.
With any luck, the kid will recognize how shitty his dad is once he gets out of the house. Can't keep him from learning about the beautiful complexities and diversity in this world forever. Just glad that people like this guy are on the way out- they're losers personally and politically lmao
I hope the son doesn’t turn out to be gay, because then he’d probably be abused by his evil prick of a father
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
@JulianChristopher agree
The right-wing owner of the company I worked for freaked out when he took his 12 year old son to a restaurant & the waiter was a gay guy wearing makeup.
He made the manager get them a different server & said how am I supposed to explain that to my kid.
I said it would be horrible if he had to tell his kid that this was a free country
@UCX6F8mkVBR_17q9o6GRgO4w wanting a normal waiter is not "being a dick". alot of parents dont want their kids exposed to these rainbow lgbtq people
@@iiii-i8322 well then they'd better put them in a bubble or move to Saudi Arabia. Perhaps seek therapy as well for their sensitivity to freedom.
@@iiii-i8322 why do you think it's gonna ruin your child to explain to them that gay people exist?
@@Skoomz they think seeing gay people will make the kids gay which doesn't make sense because years of only seeing straight people didn't make all the gay people stop existing
@@iiii-i8322 Yeah, there are a lot of bad parents with a lot of problems. Guess this is one more way to be a bad parent: Teaching open-minded kids to shut that down and "feel uncomfortable." It's pathetic in the 21st century.
Kyle defending Joe Rogan who also said the “don’t say gay” is about “grooming”. I guess you lose one you get one with Joe.
It’s hilarious, the only time he does a rogan video these days is to say how great he is.
@@Bickle121 agreed. Kyle's desperate to rehabilitate Rogan and encourage the lefty portions of his personality. Kyle's turning a blind eye to all Joe's ugly bits. There's a reason a homophobe found his way onto Joe's show, and the reason is that Rogan plays too nicely with bigots and conservatives.
Kyle: calls people out for sniffing other people's farts.
Also Kyle: proceeds to sniff Joe Rogan's farts
@@oijnoijnoijnoijnoijn Kyle is pathetic on rogan.
David pakman is able to criticise rogan when he deserves it and still praises him in other ways.
It’s just so obvious when Kyle K criticises others for having the same views as rogan, that he’s just keeping open a JRE slot
@@Bickle121
“B... but Bernie was on Joe Rogan !”
Yea, Bernie was on Fox News many times too... and Fox News ain’t great.
He's just another weak-minded and uneducated dude with emotional issues. Great! Just what the world needs more of.
"I think it's icky so it shouldn't be allowed"
"Why should anyone care what you think?"
Exactly what I've been shouting at the internet since 2014 at least.
Don't listen to Joe. Live your best life.
@@Joe-fj6dj Nope. The internet is the best thing ever. It is YOU who should stop wasting your time out if it!
Because that's how society works, or else we'd still be running around naked with no one judging
@@ॐIo yeah. Exactly. And no one judging. Like the supposed Adam and Eve in paradise. Good example of icky being the worst judge of right and wrong. Harm and pain are far better judges of right and wrong than ohh no my icky feeewings.
@@bloodink9508 US being the laughing stock of the entire world
this entire podcast was painful. he openly admitted to abusing dogs to assert “dominance”. sounds like a good person 🙄
Thanks for the warning. I'll be skipping this JRE. I really recommend the one Joe did with Ben Burgis of Jacobin about a month ago, though.
Feel free to dislike, this is a very uncomfortable story.
One time my cousin asked me to walk his very large unhinged dog that weighed more than me. I tried to gently guide it, but it growled and got in a lunging position… I just did what came naturally and kicked it right in the snout and gave a battle cry. It understood the message, I never needed to do that again and I tried to be nice to the dog later on (show it affection, give it treats, etc), even defending it from another dog once. I’d like to believe me and that dog are cool now.
Dogs were bred to think somewhat like humans socially: the ones raised by people obsessed with the concept of dominance (or in a community of dogs where that is the “dog culture”) will have adorable little authoritarian personalities. Unfortunately, these dogs only speak the one-dimensional language of dominance (as opposed to the dogs raised properly to only be motivated by unconditional love), and if you ever find yourself on the wrong side of a dog who thinks he could kick your ass, abuse might be the only recourse in a flash.
Still, this guy sounds like such an authoritarian dumbass, he probably wouldn’t know the difference between a playful dog and an aggressive one; DEFINITELY not a guy who could raise a dog to be unconditionally loving when he spends so much time trying to discredit people’s sense of love😂
@@Revengetoa2 the issue with dogs and their behaviour is very similar to the issue with human behaviour. Any single standalone instance does not even give relevant information.
The personality of animals, humans included, is developed over the course of their life. To be disciplined or well behaved, the animal, humans included, must have constant reinforcement over the course of its life. An untrained dog, or child, needs stronger reinforcement depending on how long they have gone without reinforcement.
In many cases, especially if the animal is unfamiliar with you, strong reinforcement can send a permanent message but will not impact their behaviour away from you. The way to prevent needing something like "dominance assertion" is to do it gently over a long period, every time the animal tries to do something that you do not accept. Well trained animals will usually respond to very very little input, usually just a look or a sound, from those that trained them.
Even animals that have been reasonably well trained, even if that training has relaxed a lot, will at least give serious consideration to commands.
Tl;dr you kicked the dog because the owner didn't give it the training it deserved. Bad owners make bad animals.
@@Cheesus-Sliced Exactly; I tried to convey something like that, but you get it💯
The problem is honestly that my cousin’s wife is a narcissist and doesn’t know how to condition the dog’s behavior, sporadically praising him after he messes up and randomly getting angry with him when she’s pissed.
Sounds like Joe's kind of guy.
I laughed at "no anal - BAN IT, no oral BAN IT!". I agree with you Kyle, that fella was ridiculous.
Not to mention that there's surely gotta be FAR MORE hetero sodomy going on than gay sodomy.
LMAO...Ali is the best!!!😂 All you Atheists are Satanic and support these evil agendas. It’s WRONG.
@@bigdap100 "All you Atheists are Satanic.." - I don't think you know what either of those two words mean.
That fella-tio
@@bigdap100 atheists are satanists now?
I bet the red crayon tastes the best to you, eh?
I'm not gonna lie... I felt and thought the same way 15 years ago. But a lot's changed since then. Being older and being raised conservative isn't an excuse.
Felt what? That a child needs a mother just as much as they need a father? I know. Crazy idea.
Two parents of the same gender are just as capable of raising children well; there's no reason to think otherwise or contrary evidence. What's actually harmful is raising kids in poverty, which is why we need democratic socialism.
A true conservative never changes their viewpoints though; it is anathema to conservatism.
@@filonin2 yeah, I definitely wasn't a true conservative then
@@williamrosario8534 I mean honestly... ok sure, yes. It's probably ideal that a child has a loving and supportive mother and father. But not everyone does. Having 2 loving and supporting fathers/ mothers is definitely better than having just one parent. Or having an abusive parent. Or having no parents. If there's evidence that gay couples are poor parents or do worse raising children, I haven't seen it.
The comedian was right.
He was wrong or weird about damn near everything, except for goth girls being hot he was correct about that.
This guy in the same podcast said he'll strike his dogs to assert dominance and that he doesn't see women as womanly for weirdly specific things like some dirt gets on their feet, so I think it's safe to say he sees the world in a warped way in general.
and gardening.
Everybody doesn’t like something. But nobody doesn’t like big tiddy goth girls.
From what i can tell by that, he never advanced past the mental age of 12. Everything is dimorphic hyper sexualism with him. 'Whos being man enough, whos being womenly enough.' 'Reproduction is everything'
On this overpopulated planet know the f its not. Lol
Tbf, a lot of stand up comedians are pretty fucked up irl.
And joe rogan probably refers to him as a "great guy" when talking to other people
Louis CK said it best. “I dunno. It’s your shitty kid. You figure it out.”
"Wise words from an indecent man..." -J. Cole
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
He also said it's OK to back off in your own jack yard.
when a single anecdote destroys your entire argument, maybe you need to reflect on your positions.
It’s just lazy. You’d think the homophobe would have an anecdote that he rides to the moon.
He knew two guys who mixed a cum cocktail and forced a woman to give up the baby.
Shining example.
Only Hollywood Joe would actually think that shits not absolutely disgusting.
@@fredbologn2344 paid the women not forced lol
@@Jack-mw9lw introducing capitalism into basic family unit structures seems a little questionable imo. The fact that they're paying women to have their kids, no strings attached, is a problem. Do they do mental health follow-ups on surrogates? Giving up a baby you carried for 9months and birthed, just so you can pay your rent sounds like it would be highly traumatic. Why can't they just adopt children that need homes instead of creating new ones? That's the justification liberals constantly use, yet that's increasingly not the case.
Rogan supports the Don't Say Gay bill.
This new idea of “shielding kids from anything different” never flew during my own childhood in the 50’s and 60’s! You were exposed to all kinds of things. In the late 60’s and 70’s there were porno theatres in every metro area in the U.S., both straight and gay. I don’t recall any outrage over exposing children to adult things back then. Why so NOW, 50 years later??
Damn man I really liked Ali siddiq. As a young black guy it really pisses me off how every older black guy is a raging homophobe (my dad included😢)
I grew up with 2 moms and I can assure everyone that I am not “fucked up”
Right......
I'm sure we could find someone that would disagree with that self-diagnosis.
@@waltergrace565 left……
@@mynameisben5133 Right......?
@@waltergrace565 Down!
Bigoted minds are trapped in a box. It's sickening how this guy takes pride in his ignorance.
Worse, he uses his child as a shield to say these things. "What am I supposed to say to my son.."
He's definitely not trying to understand it. He wants to justify what he has already convinced himself to be true. It's sad but very common.
Most black people in the south believes the same things this guy just said.
@@gr8fulnbama439 Black ppl can be wrong like anyone else. That's equality
@@veemie8148 see you get it
They always say a kid needs a mother and father yet when a father goes off and dies in war leaving the mother to raise the family by herself they're oddly quit. Where's the outrage for the children there?
They're also cool with depriving orphans of a pair of loving gay/lesbian parents, but some might, MIGHT, consider a single woman being a parent. I think anyone should be allowed to parent orphans.
better orphaned (batman)
than
aborted (murdered)
Homophobia and discrimination would be less prevalent, but still present. The Soviet Union was atheist but still outlawed homosexuality.
I had a mother and a father and still had a dysfunctional family. Can't explain that 🤷♀️
I'll never forget the look on my 7 year old sons face when i explained to him why his favorite aunt had a wife and his favorite cousin had a husband. He just looked at me and said love sounds weird can i go play my video games now😂. I figure in a few years when he hits puberty he'll understand.
This is very true, kids are not tossing in their beds thinking about "Omg what is a normal sexuality", more like "When do I get to play at recess?"
@@aznanimegob Yeah the only people freaking out about things like that are adults with some kind of agenda. Kids that age dont really care about complex things. They love every one and just want to have fun.
Exactly! My own two kids were raised around other children from several different families headed by gay or lesbian couples. My kids had ZERO problem understanding it and barely even noticed any difference, all they really noticed is who had which Pokemon cards and who had a kickass trampoline in their backyard.
However, once they got a little bit older and they started noticing homophobia in the world around them, they had a REALLY hard time wrapping their brains around THAT. Explaining homophobia to my children was 1,000% more difficult than explaining why Jamie has two daddies.
U have that many non straight people in ur family lol wtf
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
More people should laugh in bigots faces like Joe. And Joe never gave him an ounce of agreeing with him.
How is he a bigot?
@@bobbun4369 I think the OP just had poor sentence structure. The OP meant that "More people should be like Joe and laugh in bigots' faces." The OP didn't mean to say that Joe was bigoted. I get your confusion.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them.
Given this whole "kids need their mother and father"......
Where's all the people crying about divorce? All the deadbeat dads leaving their families high and dry?
What if your parents are abusive? Best to keep them together :p
Life is messy and it's not your business. Who cares?
Then you get them complaining about having to pay child support
@@kenlee4356 i dont got any kids but who tf wouldnt complain about child support? the way it is in the usa is a joke, the mothers use like 20% - 50% of it on the kid & then pocket the rest for themselfs. the whole system needs a refresh
It's the most ridiculous idea that all those straight people who are SO fucked up, are automatically better and more healthy parents than a rich gay couple because "duuuh, nature."
I was with you until the last part.
Who cares?!
WOW, just WOW
The fact of the matter is they do. More should be done to speak out about good parenting. Tradition isn't always bad. Your grandparents generation had much less of these problems.
The fact you don't ever criticize Rogan for anything because you are friends with him should have you apply the same standards with praising him.
Kyle's refusal to criticize Rogan is so disappointing. This week Rogan said he supports the Don't Say Gay bill and this is the video Kyle puts out.
Joe handled that situation like a mature, responsible adult. He didn't get mad or offended or kick the guy out, and in the end he made that other guy look like the fool that he is. That's how its done, and this world would be much better off if everyone behaved like this when talking to someone with a differing opinion.
F5 Rogan is a hypocrite. He is for the don't say gay or trans bill and no drag queen story hour for kids but he's ok with gays having kids. Fe
Never stop learning. Best advice I ever got.
There is no real religiosity or atheism in the West, for example topics like feminism which says that a woman is no different from a man and sometimes says that a woman is better and topics like homosexuality and Transgenderism, all these topics are scientifically unacceptable as well as religiously, but those who claim to be atheists and believe in the science in the west accept it and so are the same with those who think they're sticking to their faith accept this nonsense when it's forbidden to them
I feel sorry for that guy's kid having a ignoramus for a father.
You sound incredibly arrogant
For real. He shouldn’t be worried about other kids growing up messed up…
@@TheMelonFarmers123 He’s terrified that his kid’s may turn out gay.
My guess is there's plenty of kids without parents who would jump at the chance of being raised by a loving same-sex couple rather than spend their entire childhood in an orphanage.
Joe doesn’t need to publicly humiliate his guest to firmly disagree with his guests point. It’s a skill.
Well it's easy when the guest publicly humiliates himself.
@@imnotmike if only there were a script…
My niece is 5 and she understands two guys can love each other and have a family. It's really not that hard to explain these things to kids.
You say " Son, the sex of a person doesn't have any relation to how well a kid can be raised. Im other words, it doesn't matter who raises you as long as they impart good values and teach you how to live a respectable life full of joy"
“What do you want me to say to my son?” Idk, it’s not that hard to explain?
someone should look up the meaning of the word "dismantle" in the dictionary, also Joe didn't laugh at the guest, he laughed out of awkwardness because he made his guest uncomfortable
Just good old-fashioned clickbait because of "tHe AlgORiThM!"
Whens Kyle going to talk about joes opinion on the don't say gay bill?
@@proto7310 what's his opinion?
@@waltergrace565 Basically, Joe says conservatives are only bad at gay issues rather than war, housing, ect. . Then says the don't say gay bill is about teachers teaching students about gay issues. The actual bill is about not mentioning anything gay or you could be prosecuted by parents. Joe lies and says teachers are teaching students about gay issues and they should only be teaching math and science.
@@proto7310 Oh, nah, you're confused too. The bill is ONLY about not having specific lessons about anything sexual in nature. You're trying to conflate two different things and assert something that literally isn't there.
Rogan could've just said, "Not that long ago, some people would've said that you should only marry a person that was the same color as yourself. And they felt so strongly about it that some of them committed murder. They were absolutely certain that they were right. Have you heard about this?"
My boss is gay he is Allso the best boss I've ever had. His kids all graduated from college. Now compare that with my family of 10 with a conservative parents and a bigoted dad. They were to busy with their feeling and themselves to make sure all the kids got what they needed to succeed.
I have a friend who is anti-gay because "it's wrong and un-natural" who could not cope with the question "what about straight parents who are bad parents, worse parents that another gay couple who are good parents? He can't cope with it because it doesn't fit his anti-gay bias.
What did he do when people asked that? Just shut down? Tried to side step it? Walk away? I often wonder how people who are pressed on that question react when they’re cornered?
@@Macachee he just circled back to his original point "it's wrong", people like him are not interested in other points of view or logic.
Admitting he is wrong would be admitting his whole world view is wrong and his whole life was a lie, so of course most people won't do that.
I'm proud of Joe for this one. Saw Ali on Comedy Central. Found him funny and thoughtful. Hope he educates himself on this because bigotry is such a character stain on an otherwise cool person.
I agree. Ali is a really good and really funny comedian hopefully he gets educated. But this is pretty common in the black community. People in the black community tend to be quite anti gay it’s a very big problem.
Maybe it'll happen, but I doubt it. He has what I call ( from being raised around it my whole life ) "hood mentality". A form of social conservatism that comes from religious minority households formed around antiquated social norms of the nuclear family with an emphasis on hyper-masculinity in males to the point of toxicity. He's also a hardcore Muslim ( converted in prison ). His identity is linked to how he perceives his own masculinity ( seen as strength ), and that masculinity is dependent on rejecting what he views as not masculine ( gays ). Could also be a case of "Me thinks he doth protest too much" .
It’s not even that common anymore in Black communities . The hold out these days are older evangelicals. It’s a big “ who cares “
Joe is a terf he has a lot of learning to do himself.
@@jamiedoe6822 I disagree that it’s not a big problem. I still see tons of casual anti gay attitudes but everyone has a different experience. I would just say generally I think the black community is worse with this than others.
As a person with two moms, that was odd to watch. I’ve thought about this question of whether you need both sexes to raise a child effectively. First of all, that’s the same thing as a single parent raising a kid, but with more support. I haven’t noticed any problems except being more comfortable around woman, and other similar things, but it’s not very noticeable and may not actually be because of that. Either way interesting to listen to.
So happy you have a loving family and yes this was very odd to listen to. It’s so strange especially in 2022
Yeah, there's less raw homophobia and racism in 2022 than there was, say, a half century ago, but there's still plenty out there. I had the misfortune of living with an old school white supremacist once- terrible experience. They believe their God can beat up your God, basically.... It's always religious, and they're not happy people. Happy people see themselves in others.
The only thing you need is a stable household. Data supports 2 parents are better than one, but what it ultimately comes down to is resources and stability, and a properly supported single parent can raise just as successful a child as anyone else.
@@Cheesus-Sliced you’re right. I meant to say that single parents seem to be able to raise a child fine, so couldn’t two be even more effective?
So happy you have a loving familly🤗 Sending love and hugs
Kyle again defending Rogan
for the right reasons, yes.
@@SushiCombo for the wrong reasons.
The real dog analogy would be "if you can't birth a dog, you can't have a dog as a pet". Works for just about anything too. I'm not a farmer so what right do I have eating some corn. I'm not in a space to grow corn, so I shouldn't have any. Flawless reasoning.
You grow corn out your cornhole duh.
Idk how many of you caught it but the dog comment was extra ironic when he proceeded to admit he keeps his dogs outside.
No heart. Agreed.
Dogs are animals and they are evolved to live outside. Lol are you calling him an animal because he treats animals like such and not like children?
@@CaBdosdos He was the one talking about orphans as if they were puppies.
@@CaBdosdos dogs are a result of breeding by humans, they don't have the same traits as their ancestors who were more suited to their environments. I can't imagine letting a chihuahua run around in the snow all night because "dogs are animals meant to be outside"
@@CaBdosdos Dogs are domesticated and created by humans from wolves. Stick to your god and fantasies, it's always hilarious when religious morons talk about science, let alone evolution.
Love how the same people who preach about freedom hate the freedom of 2 consenting adults choosing to be romantically involved with each other. I mean why do these people care if someone is gay or not? How is that in any way affecting their own life?
Yeah, I don't really think that was the point and he wasn't even saying that.
He preaches about freedom? Where?
They feel that they’re standing up for the child who can’t stand up for themself. They feel two same gender parents harms the kid. They’re in the wrong, but they feel they’re doing something righteous.
How is it not affecting their life when schools are trying to sexualize children lol.
It was hard listening to that guy. At one point he asks if Shakespeare was 5000 years ago. Yikes
Dear god..
It astounds me that an African American, who living in this country has had to deal with institutional racism every fucking day of their lives, can feel this way about some other group. I know everyone is an individual and should be looked at that way, but you think he would have a little more insight into this.
Imagine him leaving the podcast thinking he said nothing wrong..
honestly im amazed someone with the actual free time and access to the internet still believes stuff like that. someone who is struggling to get by and surrounded with people like that at least i have sympathy for
I’ll never understand how some people understand and agree with the presence of systemic racism whilst being extremely homophobic.
he isnt homophobic... he dosent hate gays
@@iiii-i8322 don't bother, bruv
@@iiii-i8322 Not believing that gay people should adopt kids is the textbook definition of homophobia. That's like saying "I don't hate black people, but I don't think that black kids should go to school with white kids"
@@iiii-i8322 Did you even watch the clip?
They're still two different things. A religious person, for example, can recognize the various race-related issues in society and fight to make them better, yet their religion condemns gays. So maybe they'd disagree with the lifestyle, but still recognize that they deserve basic human rights and the privileges of citizenship. It's a little like when America was faced with a deadly Pandemic that starts killing it's citizens by the hundreds of thousands, yet doesn't institute even a temporary system of universal healthcare.
i havent heard the "what do i tell my son" bs since the bush administration, that shits a throwback
He then followed it up with the statement, "I'M NOT GETTING VACCINATED! THAT'S GAY!"
False.
@@DIYTFY Intense truth. Quoted verbatim. Highly unfalse. Tenacious veracity.
No one wants that vaccine that don’t work
@@shoreline4287 Alpha Brain isn't a vaccine
@@shoreline4287 tell that to 66% of the country who is vaccinated lol
Kids need a mother and a father. Period
No. Open a book. Homosexual couples can indeed raise a kid and it will be the same as any other kid. multiple studies show it
He's the one screwing up HIS kid. Gonna make him grow up to be as bigoted as him. I don't know any gays, but I know we don't need more hate in this world. This shit ain't hard.
Clickbaited into a Kyle video again. Same old Joe, same old idiot guests. Nothing to see here, move along.
All that happened here is Rogan looks good when compared to someone who's even more ignorant and misinformed than he is.
This week Rogan said that he supports the Don't Say Gay bill.
Where's Kyle's video on that?
There is evidence that growing in a single parent household can be detrimental to the development of children. However, I am not aware of any study suggesting that having two fathers or two mothers is a bad thing, quite the opposite. Having 2 parents is important, but their sex doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned.
The child absolutely needs a positive MALE and FEMALE role model. This can be an uncle/aunt, family friend, etc, but a child needs both to be well rounded.
@@GeorgeEugeneBarrett naw, 2 parents
@@GeorgeEugeneBarrett Based on what evidence? All the studies I see on the matter show that kids in same sex couples perform just as well or even better in school.
@@thelastnwah4743 that's not what he said. You misread his comment.
I think the evidence is a little more basic than that.. A community of people (2 or more) raising a child is what matters. Doesn't matter if they are blood, fathers, mothers, aunts or uncles... Children watching multiple people working together, helping them, helping each other... That's what matters. That's what's missing when only 1 parent is raising a child. Does not make it wrong, but definitely is different for children than the alternative.
Just gonna note that these subjects are a lot more nuanced than people tend to think. There are actually _Left_ arguments against surrogacy, too. A brief example:
Patriarchy oppresses women in order to make a commodity of and extracts value from female reproductive capacity. When we prioritize the fetus over the woman, we dehumanize her by treating her as merely a means of (re)production from which value is to be extracted. Surrogacy likewise treats a woman as a mere means of (re)production, perhaps even more obviously, as it amounts to renting her body. If we accept that people should not be used as capitalist resources, then we should not approve of exploiting women's reproductive function.
His biggest mistake was saying, "If I decide" when talking about becoming gay... He believes it's a choice
It really sucks seeing a person from one marginalized community attacking another marginalized community. Really sad.
What marginalized community does he belong to? He doesn't seem very marginalized to me.
Black people are no longer marginalized. Lets stop it with the white guilt.
Yep, sad to say but mostly black and spanish people are the most bigoted to LGBTQ. But you know whats the most f up part is that black and spanish trans people get beat and killed the most. So these black men and women spreading hate ironically effects other black people too. Yet they immediately claim this is a made up white people thing. But you know im white so there is zero way to elucidate how a black person is being prejudice or racist. Because then id be racist somehow.
@@lastburning He is still acting like black people are marginalized when society bends over to appease them at every turn today.
When “straight” men get really upset by the topic of gay men, when they display anger towards the subject, something else is going on underneath the surface. When these types of men get really uncomfortable when the topic comes up, they don’t know how to process their feelings. It’s always the ones that yell the loudest 😉
Im a pretty big Rogan fan for the most part but he doesn't deserve much credit for this. he wasn't laughing at the guy to mock him, he was trying to lessen the awkwardness.
Mocking doesn't achieve anything. It will close them off. Joe knows he can't embrass him into change
@bobby macallister cause that's his podcast, good God. He likes to talk to comedians, fighters and generally interesting people. This guy was a comedian. If you only invite people you agree with it makes for a very boring conversation. It's the same with a debate, you can't really have a debate with someone who agrees with you all the time, you need to have some opposition to sharpen your points. Look you may not like Rogan I don't know, I assume you don't. But if you really want to get a fair sense of who he is, just listen to some of his podcasts. He invites people from all walks of life, but it usually falls under few very broad camps. Either they are just interesting people, fighters or they are comedians. These descriptors can intermix as well. And I say broad cause they are interesting to him, this could mean one day he has a politician on and another day he might have a musician or a climate scientist, or a professional spear fisher. He doesn't control what they might saying certain topics, he doesn't hand them a list of topics, he just brings them on and goes from there.
@bobby macallister and that's fair, but I think you should be open to hearing differing views. Certainly some things can be truly insane, but I would rather hear them so that we know it's out there and potentially have their views crushed and you just never know some people will actually question those views down the line. If you haven't seen it, I would encourage you to watch Rogan's first podcast with Daryl Davis, or just look up Daryl Davis. Super interesting man.
Unfortunately we are just humans, and a lot of us have some dumb ass views, but some aren't so far gone that they can't be changed.
My mother used be against gay marriage despite having gay friends, friends who I called my uncles, who are still my uncles to me despite no blood relation. But my mother was raised catholic and that was enough for her not to agree with gay marriage. She is not against it anymore and a more open person now, but it always baffled me growing up. I would argue with her when I was in high school. People will disappoint you from time to time, but that doesn't mean they are terrible to the core. We are all capable of a great things and truly terrible things, we have to acknowledge that in order to be better people. Listening to differing views can be a way to challenge your beliefs or further strengthen them. Anyway don't want to bore you with my speal. Take care and be safe.
@bobby macallister thank you.
@10:20 I’ve heard this statistic and my understanding is that it’s because it’s quite hard for gay parents to adopt so they have to be exceptionally more successful and put together than an average heterosexual couple in order to successfully adopt, so there’s a bias in the population of children being raised by gay parents; those that do are more likely to be raised by competent, caring and diligent parents who worked very hard to become those parents, which is obviously a beneficial trait for parenthood.
Black folks can be bigoted too. Rogan just showed you one.
Jesse Lee Peterson agrees.
Prime example of a lack of education on a topic being passed down.
Anti-Sodomy definitely stems out from religious/cultural upbringing. I don’t know if this man is religious, but his opinion is not unique. Especially in the African American, and Arab communities, it is very hard to find someone who respects homosexuality. In the black community, even gay men are somehow obligated to act tough and hard at all times, which is mentally devastating.
Nothing more heterosexual than being a hard man at all times
Add to that, what happens in prison... Nothing at all to do with sex, but about breaking that ego/attitude..
Saying its very hard to find someone who respects homosexuality is an erroneous and antiquated view of black people, im knee deep in black culture, and youre making it seem like 80% of all black people are against these things when it is not the case....its not very hard at all to find African Americans who support homosexuals...and if you're black and still pushing this, expand your circle my guy
If the LGBTQ+ people want to really confuse the religious right, start thanking them for making abortion more difficult, as it is increasing the number of babies available for them to adopt.
Lmao nice
People mostly abuse the *phobic terms. But this guy is actually homophobic.
Why is it bad to criticize Islam even though it’s worse on most progressive issues than Christianity is? I don’t understand why you dislike Sam Harris’s brand of atheism
This asinine argument reminds me of the old days when a single parent
(usually the mother) was frowned upon by these same kind of bigots and "right do gooders "
God forbid people wanting society to hold a strong family structure as something to strive for.
Strong family structures don't require exclusively 2 parents (regardless of gender). It just require strong-minded moral parents who actively work towards their child's physical and mental health. If a single one can pull it off that's fine, kudos to them.
A single good parent vs. 2 lousy parents -> judgmental primitive people who judge books by their covers will be like: "that single parent is awful for their child! Why can't (s)he be married like this other couple?"
Appearances mean squat. Action say all. If you're not involved in other people's lives, you don't get to judge them without knowing anything about them. That's a bigoted way of thinking. Nobody would like being told by strangers how to raise their own children....so wouldn't that logically apply in reverse as well? Oh wait, bigots don't believe in logic.
@@mystman7722 umm yes they do. Each parent provides things the other can’t. That’s why it’s optimal.
“Bigot”??? You people throw that term around like a beach ball at a concert. If it in any way deviates fro. Your opin, you deem it bigoted…. How low brow
@@bobbun4369 forcing people to stay together won't make them good parents or people only further traumatize the kid while they continue to resent eachother
@@BlueBeetle1939 you aren’t married are you?
I'd love to hear what people raised by gay parents have to say on this issue. I'm curious if there is a difference between those raised by two moms compared to two dads
It is anecdotal but two of my best friends are brother born in like a really impoverished trailer park type family that got adopted by two rich lesbians, one of them has been in and out of serious drug addictions his whole life and the other one has a very strained relationship with his own kids and women around him. They both have told me they agree that getting adopted was better then the previous situation but that they don't feel they would have turned out nearly as fucked up if they didn't have a father figure
As someone with trash hetero parents. I wish I was adopted by 2 moms.
The difference is that with so many "observers" the gay couple will never make anything that might even remotely resemble lack of care. And better cared for children tend to have happier lifes.
He loves his dog based analogies and they also make no sense
I am sure he has a fetish for dogs
I disagree with Kyle on this......I don't think Dave Rubin should ever be a father
Okay but isn't it weird that he holds this position AND defends the Don't Say Gay bill at the same time? Like in the same week he had this take as well as saying we shouldn't be pushing the idea on kids. Seems like he's speaking out both sides of his mouth tbh
Damn I guess I don't listen to enough of Ali's comedy (guess that's a good thing) cause I had no idea he was like that. His Mexicans got on boots bit is hilarious
Honestly Joe is such a chill dude to even continue the podcast with that guy after that conversation. I was simmering just listening to that bigot speak.
I would have interrupted early on. It wasn't even a remotely intelligent approach at bigotry. Most bigots who talk about their hatred for a living at least have 5 or 6 thought-out talking points that eventually falls back to "traditional family values".
I'd rather deal with that person because you can at least wait patiently for some coherent argument to fall out to cut the legs from under. This was just bable and dribble, leaving the listener's jaw on the floor.
Dude could have just said "I think it's gross and sinful and I don't want my kid growing up like that."
@@SocialistStrike I find it ironic how a socialist is defending a lifestyle that is not only hyper individualistic and heavily promoted by capitalists even the Soviets in 1950s called it a disease of bourgeoise and even accused fascists of being closeted gays. Western socialists continue to be liberals larping as socialists.
He has no power to stop two men from whatever thing.
He is stating that as for he and his house they will not live that experimental lifestyle.
This was great. I genuinely wish Joe would adopt the same position on trans people
This will happen when you have real conversations with black people.
I’m getting tired of Kyle caping for Rogan. What about the countless times Rogan has pushed some anti trans narrative? Just a few days ago he defended the anti LGBT bill from Florida. Why not make a video about that?