Appointing Dante as Warden makes tactical sense to me, Gulliman can't be in two places at once and without another loyalist Primarch he really didn't have much choice. Dante is revered throughout the Imperium and the Blood Angels are the most noble of the Space Marines,( minus the who bezerker vampire secret they've got going on), gives the people of the Imperium hope. On top of that the Imperium is too big to be ruled just by Earth, having strong words like Baal and Macragge be loyal to Earth helps eliminate much of the buracracy and inefficiencies in the Imperium, with the risk of worlds like that rebelling being ever present however. The Blood Angels also make better kings for humanity, they are not to cold and distant like the Dark Angels or the Iron Warriors, nor are too warm like the Salamanders. As I understand it Sanguinius wasn't the best strategist and was much nicer to people without being a pushover, though being the best warrior out of all the Primarchs. He like Gulliman fits the good king mantle and their sons do as well. To whoever reads this, thank for reading this long winded statement saying that Gulliman is right.
I feel like the red thirst and black rage are the source of their nobility instead of them being noble despite those two flaws. To me, the person who constantly struggles against the evil inside of them is more noble than a person whose nobility comes from being without flaws. The latter doesn't have to make the choice to be noble they just are while the former epitomizes the ideals of nobility like patience, restraint, grace, and love for your fellow people because they actively strive to reach them everyday. Blood Angels are not naturally patient or full of restraint (look at the Flesh Tearers - when they were just the 5th company of Blood Angels they were reprimanded several times for the World Eaters/Night Lords type stuff they would do) those traits are drilled into them by their chapter and they actively have to stop themselves from slaughtering every non Blood Angel in sight yet they rarely do snap (unless in particularly heated battles) because they know there is no honor in losing yourself into madness and rage even if it means victory.
@@jakandaxter1 Spot on! Truly noble souls realise that the true conflict is within one's own heart. And the Sons of Sanguinius represent this perfectly.
Dante:finally I die Sanguinius:no Dante:finally I can retire and die Guillaman:no (slaps warden title into Dante's face) Dante: finally I die Guillaman:no primaris is mandatory now Dante:finally I die Big E:no I'm still on vacation (Dante becomes a living saint) Dante: (physically and overly depress)
Dante: "Do I get a break now?" Emperor/Sanguinius/Guilliman/Preston Garvey(?!): *"Another sector of the galaxy needs your help. Here, I'll mark it on your map."* Dante: 😔
Old Man Dante: them damn Tyranids better GET OFF MY LAWN *angrily shakes power axe* *Serf applies bengay to Dante's back* Dante: Here we go again, I'm getting too old for this shit... FOR THE EMPEROR AND SANGUINIUS, BEING DEATH TO OUR FOES!
The Blood Angels have always been examples of true heroes of the Imperium, and no doubt that they will do everything in their power to prove to the Lord Commander that they are worthy of being Warden of the Dark Imperium. The Blood Angels have serve the Imperium for ten thousand years even with curse of both Black Rage and Red Thirst plaguing their Legion for all those years.
I always found it hypocritical of them to spend so many resources on flashy ships and gear, while their homeworlds live in absolute poverty and misery. Legions like the Iron hands couldn't be bother to put gold on everything and I respected that
I think what gilliman really wants is a brother. I think he kinda sees that in dante someone to share the burden. And to not make dante warden would be foolish the man is literally a walking textbook of tactics. We always see dante rise under the circumstance hes been put in and for me his appointment says it will be a very long time until another primarch is brought back. I just hope my boy can hold the giant pile of bricks gilliman has put on his massive shoulders
Even though they all had their strengths and weaknesses, Sanguinius is widely considered the greatest primarch of them all. The most inspiring, and in this age seen as the literal Arch Angel of the God Emperor. Despite their secret burdens they remain one of the purest beacons of hope to the Imperium at large. The Imperial Fists and Dark Angels already have their own agendas, the Wolves are, well, lone wolves most of the time. And GW only seems to remember that the Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Salamanders and White Scars exist on leap years. So the Blood Angels are really the perfect choice.
Guilliman in esence wants and Equal... and as he said to Dante he is the closest thing Imperium has to that. Like one could assume Cawl is kind of equal in many ways to guilliman... at least in terms of mental processing power... but he really isnt someone you could take into confidence. Guilliman really wants Vulkan or Khan back... he would probably be fine with Corax or Lion... Russ or it might be bit iffy...
That's true... But I'm pretty confident that Dante quite _literally_ out ranks everyone short of the Commanders of the Custodes, The Inquisition, The Lords of Terra and Guilliman himself (arguably in that order) 😅
I have no doubt about Guilliman's loyalty, he was always deadcatied to the imperium he only formed imperium secondus to save the imperium because he thought the emperor was dead
I think Guilliman chose Dante because of his age, experience and his moral character. Dante is as close to another Primarch as it gets from this perspective. Dante is someone he can trust to do the right thing even if contact is cut off for decades. Guilliman doesn't know if things are apt to get worse in the future, so Dante is the safest bet.
@@KossolaxtheForesworn If the galaxy *"does not matter",* why did the Emperor finesse the Chaos Gods for forbidden magic to create 20 demigod "sons" to conquer it? 🤨
I think Guilliman is trying to restore the dream. But he can’t start with Terra or mars etc. since said areas are to byzantine and immutable (corrupted). So he has to start with strong and prosperous area, which he has a great control over/that retains the spark of the enlightenment (Ultramar), or he has to make one from zero (Baal). Baal is a wasteland anyways and only retained its primitive state so their religious ways didn’t become an issue during the crusade, which really doesn’t mater now. Because of this they are pliable but also lead by nobles of men, the blood angels. From these new “hearts” Guilliman can then start to pump civilisation to rest of the Imperium. Even then it is likely going to take thousands of years, but his got time?
Gulliman builds empires, it is what he was made to do. Appointing the most senior chapter master, who is in charge of the newly secured bastion, makes sense. Especially given Gulliman's opinion of how human rule has turned the Imperium into a fanatical theocracy, it's no surprise he'd rather give power to astartes who do not worship the Emperor and live just to get shit done. Gulliman need people who get the job done, not religious zealots who don't follow orders because they had a psychic vision or just a dream influenced by their fanatical religion.
Sounds more like the partitioning of the Roman Empire into Eastern and Western halves. The Eastern half we call the Byzantine Empire but they thought of themselves as Roman. As did the Roman half. So really, I don’t see a problem. But the perception is everything. And I doubt the Custodes care. If they did, they’d have put a stop to it. They may question the wisdom of the move but they’re disinterested themselves as it doesn’t affect their mission of guarding the Emperor.
It does mirror that in ways, but with one big difference: there isn't any sort of ideological schism between the two. There's just a massive warp rift between them.
Guilliman is just setting the imperium up for the inevitable. The imperium is cut into two halves that have difficulty communicating with each other so there has to be another headquarters that has the ability to run independently if need be. Dante and the Blood Angels are the most trustworthy
Gulliman appointing his beloved brother's sons to take back the Imperium Nilus. Sangprimus Portum used to bring back the sons of Sanguinus to their pinnacle once again. Sanguinus was beloved of all. Including his brother's legions. Most like The Emperor in nature.
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Gotta love how the Ultrasmurfs keep asking the Blood Angels to take charge of the hard stuff. Imperium Secundus, The 2nd War for Armageddon, and now Imperium Nihilus.
@@1stcaptainraldoron538 They were still an assault-focused legion designed for frontal combat. But they were not mindless. Agron really messed up his legion.
@@shadearca funny. Prior to being united with Sangunius, the 9th legion WAS a mindless assault legion. Had they been given Aangron as a father, the nails would’ve changed very little except some additional rage.
I was just wondering about this: if the Lion returns, and the Sanguinor is confirmed to be the spirit of Sanguinius, and he fuses with Dante - both highly anticipated events - we’d have the makings of Imperium Secundus 2.0!
I'm pretty sure the sanguinor has already been confirmed to just be a blood angel marine, in the same book where they cover mephiston and the black angel
People forget Sanguinius was looked at one of the possibilities alongside Horus and the Lion for Warmaster. He was the most powerful fighter, a great diplomat, icon of the Imperium, far and impartial in judgements, but swift and efficient in retribution, and although many overlook it he was a great tactical mind not as great as the Lion and Horus but very good. I would say he equals or beats Guilliman in tactical brilliance but is not near as good in logistical aspects. Dante is one of the best representations of his Primarch in a Astartes and he strives to be better even now at 1500+ years of age and experience. His home was also located on that side so Logan and Calgar are out of the running right there, Imperial Fists guard the Segmentum Solar, the White Scars, Raven Guard, and Salamanders Chapter Masters are too young and planets are not positioned well for this task either. Only the Dark Angels being mobile and the Black Templar's have a option as being looked at since Azriel and Helbrecht are great tactical minds, warriors and have much experience. However neither has great diplomatic experience with the Inquisition and other key agencies so Dante was the best choice by a long shot.
Gman is indeed the best primarch to return first. I don't really see any of the loyalist primarchs rebuilding the imperium or setting up a bastion in north called Imperium Nihilus. It's surprising any one would doubt Guilliman's intentions other than help rebuild the imperium his father intended it to be.
I think nihilus is either RG’s backup plan for if he somehow loses control of Primus (or if Terra falls), OR it’s a test model to be stabilized and built along E’s original vision then apply as a model everywhere else.
Nobility goes hand-in-hand with humility. Dante and the 9th are tested, noble, potent, and maintain a working relationship between chapters under maybe the most respected single astartes in the Imperium.
Question for you Wolf Lord. If it wasn't Dante that was chosen, who would be the best choice in your opinion? Any other Chapter Master have his level of experience and respect?
Calgar Helbrecht Grimnar Azreal Those are the only chapter masters that stand out to me as potential alternatives. Calgar would probably have been the best 2nd choice. Helbrecht isn't ideal because of the Templars' transient nature. Grimnar isn't ideal because his chapter doesn't play well with the Inquisition. Azreal and the Dark Angles aren't ideal because of how reclusive they are. So if not Dante, Calgar has comparable experience, talent and noteriety to fill the role in addition to having the correct temporment and positive relations with other Imperial branches. IMO
@@rusul9058 Calgar is out of the list. His job is to manage the ultramarine chapter and Ultramar itself. Besides putting him in charge of half of imperium will cause discussion.
Dante has more experience running a chapter than Guiliman. That will be hard to swallow, but it's fact. Dante has lead the BA for over a thousand years, Roboute was around for nowhere near that time before his wound from Fulgrim and placement in stasis. Also Dante knows the Imperium in it's current state. Guiliman is still finding his feet. Again there is about a thousand years worth of experience between the two. Different levels of command heirarchy obviously, but still Dante has a thousand plus years of experience in the current setting, Guiliman does not. It makes absolute sense that Roboute would want Dante in a position of authority and trust.
Given the fractured warring state of Nihlius where even the Astronomicon fails, I see a completely different path that awaits this region. I see given enough time a land of near constant war ruled by space marine lords owing nominal allegiance to Dante who is kinda like the Shogun, the chief warlord of all Nihlus. This is from practical needs but the leadership of the space marines ensures spartan but fair and efficient control. What that practically means is complete flagrant disregard for the codex and space marines being local political and war leaders not by consensus or appointment by humans, but because it is space marines that are in control now. Essentially Nihilus is the future the heretics originally forseen as the leaders and owners of the Imperium.
I don't understand why some ppl make a big deal out of the Imperium Secundus. at that time it was the only logical choice in my eyes. it was not a 2nd rebellion it was created to preserve what big E strived for. Also, Dante and the BA is the best choice for this task. the only ones who can sail the stars on that side and who cam back from their lowest. so they can lead by example and action, unlike most other chapters.
As much as I love blood angels and Dante I just wish Dante’s rules and model lived up to his fluff, his model is from 2nd Ed and his rules haven’t been great for a few editions now (always over costed and under powered compared to other characters), I mean his pistol isn’t even a unique piece of wargear like it was in 2nd ed
I read Dante's appointment less as part of a big plan and more as a way for Guilliman to pass the buck on Nihilus. He already has too much to deal with as it is, and letting Dante take charge there for now means he has less to worry about. I got the feeling that Guilliman was EXHAUSTED when he was speaking to Dante, but maybe that was just me being tired of that mostly boring book. I think it could transition into an eventual plan but for now I'm not betting on it being any more than a temporary fix.
Interesting take, especially if the Lion were to return. Because him and Guilliman pushed Sanguinius into leading Secundus, so I think he'd agree to having Sanguinius's greatest son (of the time) being put in charge.
I kinda agree with that. I think once the lion comes back and is updated on the situation he would want to start a new phase of the indominus crusade, primarily a more offensive focus instead of a more of a reactionary relief focus.
Astropaths can only be made on Terra and die in droves whenever the warp gets volatile. So isn’t the Imperium Nihilus going to eventually run out of them, even assuming Guilliman gave Dante a truckload of them before leaving?
What the Imperium need right now is stability and that requires long term planning. And the only people who can plan for hundreds of years in the future are those who can live that long which the space marines fit the bill. It makes total sense that Gulliman made the chapter masters into systems governors. They are smarter, have better memory, can live for very long and are political reliable unlike planets governors. For too long the Imperium have slept on the intellectual potential of the space marines. Even black templars make better leaders than some hive lords on Armageddon.
Dante had to be warden no other chapter master commands as much awe. And respect. Not that they aren't amazing in their owe ways, they just aren't Dante.
If the Secundus were to happen once more, He has full permission to do it by Emps during and before the HH. He would have his blessing now especially. What I think is happening, is he is bracing the Western Fringe for an all out war and invasion once more against the great terrors and avenge the ones lost. The Emperor spoke through Guilliman and not only that, he gave him his sword to smite Chaotic forces. Truthfully, This is setting up a very very very nice strong hold and defenses against any invasion.
It stands to reason that the Custodes would know about Imperium Secundus, given the Emperor knew about it and Sanguinius was on Terra for a while before dying. It was a big proclamation as well, easy to censor 10k years in the future, but just after the Heresy, less so. It would come to their ears eventually.
I think you might even be a bit closer than you think here - but also quite a long way off the mark. I've long held that the reason Dante has never got a "Primaris" model while tons of less popular characters have is because GW have something big in store for him and it needs to play out in the story before they release one. Given what appeared to be his recent direct interaction with Sanguinius' spirit, I think we're going to see Dante merged with the light half of the spirit of his father - much like Mephiston has merged with the dark half. So effectively we get a Primarch-level character for the Blood Angels that actually makes sense in terms of the lore. Dante has long been plagued by visions of a confrontation before the Golden Throne - almost certainly with Abaddon. There is also what appears to be a shard of Sanguinius aboard the Vengeful Spirit - so if Abaddon assaults Terra and during the assault Dante boards the Vengeful Spirit, he would almost certainly encounter this shard of his father. I believe this will be the key to Dante's ascension and rebirth - giving him the power needed to pursue and confront Abaddon. Where I think we might be a bit off here though is what happens to Terra and The Emperor. I reckon given what I've heard so far, the Emperor is actually going to truly ascend to godhood and this will both mean the destruction of Terra but also a new chapter for the Imperium and those primarchs who eventually return. Basically mankind get a chaos god of order on their side, but rather than an Imperium Secundus to replace Terra, we see a decentralisation of power with each Primarch or major faction ruling over their own galactic state.
Dante:finally I die Sanguinius:no Dante:finally I can retire and die Guillaman:no (slaps warden title into Dante's face) Dante: finally I die Guillaman:no primaris is mandatory now Dante:finally I die Big E:no I'm still on vacation (Dante becomes a living saint) Dante: (physically and overly depress)
Commander Dante is so respected that Tu'Shan a living legend and chapter master of the Salamanders along with Marneus Calgar of the Ultramarines (who needs no introduction) cede overall command to him during the second war for Armageddon. He consistently has other chapters and chapter masters show deference to him he is kinda like his dad in that way. I doubt there is another figure is universally respected and liked by as much of the imperium hell he can even make renegade chapters come to his word. Hell the custodes really wasn’t even able to question Dante all he could do was compare him to his father Sanguineous and quickly pivoted to questioning guillermen. Also it is the nature of the custodes to prioritize terra and the direct domain of the emperor. The way the custodes worded it it felt like he would have fully supported the endeavor of Sanguineous was the one doing it, would be neat since Sanguineous was the one who embodied what the emperor portrayed himself as so it would likely cause the golden boys feel closer to him then the other primarch. Would be cool if to stabilize things some of the eyes of the emperor took to guarding Dante since they cannot protect the emperor or terra any longer.
Roboute Guilliman’s detractors within the Imperium will use whatever they can to discredit & minimize his ability to reform the Imperium. That being said, appointing Dante to oversee Imperium Nihilus seems like the safest option politically as well as tactically. Dante (as stated) is widely respected & one of the most stalwart defenders of the Imperium. The theoretical & practical reality is that whatever happens in the galaxy north of the rift is unobservable & impossible to manage from the galactic south.
guilliman really wants to bring the story forward Im sure next his little project will be totally pounded to dust by the forces of chaos his 500 worlds burned once, they will burn again.
Chaos already tried to do that with the Deathguard and Mortarion invading Ultramar after the Devastation of Bhaal but they got their teeth kicked in. The Emperor spanked Mortarion and set Nurgles garden ablaze while Nurgle did not dare to step out of his mansion and was watching like a dufus.
@@shadearca Mortarion always lacked the initiative and the drive. despite the existence of corvus corax and curze, mortarion was the biggest emo in the whole Imperium. always whining that he had it hardest.
Dante isn't a Primarch. He can never be physically equal to Sanguinius. That said, his experience dwarfs all of the non-demon/not Vulkan Primarchs. The Crusade was about 100 yrs long, the Heresy about 10. So Sanguinius couldn't be over 150 when he died. Dante's been doing what the Primarchs were meant to do, for a longer time. He was the natural choice to lead Nihilus.
Id say Guilliman isnt building a empire he is building hope for the mankind but yeah in the world everyone sees war everywhere it will be hard to pass as such. Everyone sees and judge by his own standards and lets just say 40k has its own standards and hope isnt top position there.
People always talk smack thats politics and Guilliman is the most successful Primarch in terms of longetivity similar to Dante. If Guilliman screws up its not like hes the worst out there. Look at everyone elses position and look at his. Hes still around and his Ultramarines are the largest chapter for a reason. He may get his haters all because their Primarch in the book and also fans in general got messed up. If he was an untrustworthy guy and a douche he would have just purge or left everyone in the dust and just only create Ultramarines. But no he still makes use of other chapters in a way they can still do their own thing.
There is a reason that guilluman made sanguinius the figure head of imperium secundus and now he chooses the Dante and the blood angels once more to be the figurehead
See? This is my problem with modern 40k lore. You could literally cut the Imperium in half and it _still_ doesn't matter. The Imperium is narratively unstoppable because, whenever they suffer a setback, GW lacks the sack to make it actually matter. The Emperor could be (and probably is) dead and the Imperium could still function, and probably better than ever before. Why did the Emperor matter again? The Imperium Nihilus now has a _new_ Emperor for all functional purposes. All the supposed peril that humanity is supposed to be under is a lie. If it ever occurred to the Imperium what mary sues they are, they could probably mend the cicatrix maledictum, kill every xeno in the galaxy, and make a new 2.0 Emperor even better than the last one.
I don't understand this obsession with Imperium Secundus? Not having somone able to make the big decisions IMMEDIATELY on the Nihilis side not only makes sense but would be laughably grimderp if it wasn't. Guilleman would be Michael Scott with Dante/Dwight the assistant to the assistant regional manager... If GW tries to push some issue with Imperium Secundus that is just lazy writing and lack of creativity by writers. The Inquisition must have known about it. The Emperor must have known about it. No one cares. To be honest had Guilleman, the Lion, and Sanguinius NOT set up a second empire that might have been treasonous. Not fighting for mankind, giving up would be treason. And honestly, we have established the cold cruel reality of the Emperor. His "warmth" and humanity maybe just an act, but perhaps maybe it will be his "disposable tools" (the primarchs) that surpass even their creator and actually achieve what the Emperor couldn't. Was it not Guilleman who told Dante during the rebuilding of Baal to make the planet better for the people, that what is the point of all this fighting if the people live is squalor and without hope. That is far more "human" than the Emperor. The more I think on this the more I really feel that the logical evolution of this theme is that maybe those disposable tool primarchs (at least a few of them) are really the only force left that truly wants to uplift and enlighten humanity, that actually believes in the Imperial Truth, and will maybe free the Imperium from the frightened cult it has become. Remember, at this point it is very likely that the Emperor planned all this out, including accession to godhood.
Off topic but I truly believe the Tyrannids are merely scavengers from another galaxy and are simply trying to find more virtual gift vouchers for Rho to give them more lore.
Making Dante ,Warden and making Sanguinius Emperor… and narratively link definitely , neat story telling on BLack Library’s end . Dante did wonder what Sanguinius would have done give half Imperium. It’s gonna be interesting.
I would love it if Dante dies crossing the rubicon, then a shard of Sanguinus' soul fuses with Dante to turn him into a demi-primarch. It would be a great way to refresh his model and make him like a brother to Guilliman
6:40 you seem shocked the custodes know of the Imperium secondus… they are the closest to the emperor… your logic displays your doubt in our Emperor. Heresy.
I think they are gonna have a second heresy a civil war between the 2 sides maybe on Baal they invent a alternative to the astronomicon. So Dante decides we can take emps off the throne and let him become a god and the custodes and papasmurf don't like that idea.
I have to wonder how all of Baal's construction and reinforcement will affect marine recruitment. Baal and its moons were considered death worlds, probably even more so now after the tyranid invasion, and the harsh conditions of death worlds are needed to produce worthy aspirants. It seems like Baal will end up as a sort of second Cadia and for all Cadia's might and glory, they still never had space marines recruit from the population.
1. Guilliman comments the BA have always had the power to turn Baal into a better and less lethal world. Now it’s the de facto capital of Imperium Nihilus that has actually happened. 2. Every eligible human male that survived the Devestation has been conscripted as neophytes for the BA and their successors - who have also been reinforced with Primaris marines from the Indomitus Crusade. 3. Baal has built up a mighty fleet, rebuilt the Arx Angelicum and built a new and MASSIVE space station.
What if, holy crap, the Emperor's returning causes ALL the loyalist primarchs to return, even the dead-ish ones, as- like with the legion of the damned- loyalist "Imperial daemons"
How would the Emperor somehow becoming corporeal again cause the other loyalist Primarchs to un-yeet themselves from the warp? On that note, weren't the Primarchs themselves intended to be "Imperial Demons"? If Sanguinius' combat record against Greater Demons of Khorne is anything to go by (although he's easily one of the most powerful combatants amongst his bros)...
Appointing Dante as Warden makes tactical sense to me, Gulliman can't be in two places at once and without another loyalist Primarch he really didn't have much choice. Dante is revered throughout the Imperium and the Blood Angels are the most noble of the Space Marines,( minus the who bezerker vampire secret they've got going on), gives the people of the Imperium hope. On top of that the Imperium is too big to be ruled just by Earth, having strong words like Baal and Macragge be loyal to Earth helps eliminate much of the buracracy and inefficiencies in the Imperium, with the risk of worlds like that rebelling being ever present however.
The Blood Angels also make better kings for humanity, they are not to cold and distant like the Dark Angels or the Iron Warriors, nor are too warm like the Salamanders. As I understand it Sanguinius wasn't the best strategist and was much nicer to people without being a pushover, though being the best warrior out of all the Primarchs. He like Gulliman fits the good king mantle and their sons do as well.
To whoever reads this, thank for reading this long winded statement saying that Gulliman is right.
I feel like the red thirst and black rage are the source of their nobility instead of them being noble despite those two flaws. To me, the person who constantly struggles against the evil inside of them is more noble than a person whose nobility comes from being without flaws. The latter doesn't have to make the choice to be noble they just are while the former epitomizes the ideals of nobility like patience, restraint, grace, and love for your fellow people because they actively strive to reach them everyday. Blood Angels are not naturally patient or full of restraint (look at the Flesh Tearers - when they were just the 5th company of Blood Angels they were reprimanded several times for the World Eaters/Night Lords type stuff they would do) those traits are drilled into them by their chapter and they actively have to stop themselves from slaughtering every non Blood Angel in sight yet they rarely do snap (unless in particularly heated battles) because they know there is no honor in losing yourself into madness and rage even if it means victory.
@@jakandaxter1 A fair point, one I didn't think about.
100% agree
@@jakandaxter1 Spot on! Truly noble souls realise that the true conflict is within one's own heart. And the Sons of Sanguinius represent this perfectly.
By Iron Warriors you must mean Iron Hands?
Dante:finally I die
Sanguinius:no
Dante:finally I can retire and die
Guillaman:no (slaps warden title into Dante's face)
Dante: finally I die
Guillaman:no primaris is mandatory now
Dante:finally I die
Big E:no I'm still on vacation
(Dante becomes a living saint)
Dante: (physically and overly depress)
Dante: "Do I get a break now?"
Emperor/Sanguinius/Guilliman/Preston Garvey(?!): *"Another sector of the galaxy needs your help. Here, I'll mark it on your map."*
Dante: 😔
And now.....
Dante: Finally I die
The Lion: ....
“My father won’t let my soul rest and my uncle has left me in charge. Just another tuesday for me...” -dante probably
Old man Dante picks up has axe and heads back to work. Again.
Yum grape juice, delicious 😋
and when he will finally take a break... tyranids
Old Man Dante: them damn Tyranids better GET OFF MY LAWN *angrily shakes power axe* *Serf applies bengay to Dante's back*
Dante: Here we go again, I'm getting too old for this shit... FOR THE EMPEROR AND SANGUINIUS, BEING DEATH TO OUR FOES!
Facts. Very Respectable n Honorable Dude😎
The Blood Angels have always been examples of true heroes of the Imperium, and no doubt that they will do everything in their power to prove to the Lord Commander that they are worthy of being Warden of the Dark Imperium. The Blood Angels have serve the Imperium for ten thousand years even with curse of both Black Rage and Red Thirst plaguing their Legion for all those years.
They weren't so much the true heroes before sanguinis got to them
@@Mace-1191 True but they are now with him gone.
@@Mace-1191 the revenant legion did what it was expected from it
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I always found it hypocritical of them to spend so many resources on flashy ships and gear, while their homeworlds live in absolute poverty and misery. Legions like the Iron hands couldn't be bother to put gold on everything and I respected that
I think what gilliman really wants is a brother. I think he kinda sees that in dante someone to share the burden. And to not make dante warden would be foolish the man is literally a walking textbook of tactics. We always see dante rise under the circumstance hes been put in and for me his appointment says it will be a very long time until another primarch is brought back. I just hope my boy can hold the giant pile of bricks gilliman has put on his massive shoulders
I want fan art of chibi Guilliman sheepishly asking very hyper realistic gothic EoM if he could make him another brother.
Even though they all had their strengths and weaknesses, Sanguinius is widely considered the greatest primarch of them all. The most inspiring, and in this age seen as the literal Arch Angel of the God Emperor. Despite their secret burdens they remain one of the purest beacons of hope to the Imperium at large.
The Imperial Fists and Dark Angels already have their own agendas, the Wolves are, well, lone wolves most of the time. And GW only seems to remember that the Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Salamanders and White Scars exist on leap years. So the Blood Angels are really the perfect choice.
Guilliman in esence wants and Equal... and as he said to Dante he is the closest thing Imperium has to that.
Like one could assume Cawl is kind of equal in many ways to guilliman... at least in terms of mental processing power... but he really isnt someone you could take into confidence.
Guilliman really wants Vulkan or Khan back... he would probably be fine with Corax or Lion... Russ or it might be bit iffy...
There is no alternative to Dante, as someone once said "Experience outranks everything" :P
That's true... But I'm pretty confident that Dante quite _literally_ out ranks everyone short of the Commanders of the Custodes, The Inquisition, The Lords of Terra and Guilliman himself (arguably in that order) 😅
@@henryviiifake8244 he is not and never outrank a primarch
Rex does know his stuff
I have no doubt about Guilliman's loyalty, he was always deadcatied to the imperium he only formed imperium secondus to save the imperium because he thought the emperor was dead
1:15 “Maybe one day…one of the Primarchs might live up to his legend”
I kid I love Bobby G, Dorn, Vulkan, and big beautiful Hawk Boi
Always loved The lion myself.
I think Guilliman chose Dante because of his age, experience and his moral character. Dante is as close to another Primarch as it gets from this perspective. Dante is someone he can trust to do the right thing even if contact is cut off for decades. Guilliman doesn't know if things are apt to get worse in the future, so Dante is the safest bet.
a custodes trying to focus on the part that has the emperor while letting the rest of the galaxy to rot...why it doesnt surprise me
because the galaxy does not matter, only the Emperor does. only the Emperor ever did.
@@KossolaxtheForesworn If the galaxy *"does not matter",* why did the Emperor finesse the Chaos Gods for forbidden magic to create 20 demigod "sons" to conquer it? 🤨
@@henryviiifake8244 He means to a Custodes, only the Emperor matters
@@henryviiifake8244 because it was the Emperors plan to do so.
I think Guilliman is trying to restore the dream. But he can’t start with Terra or mars etc. since said areas are to byzantine and immutable (corrupted). So he has to start with strong and prosperous area, which he has a great control over/that retains the spark of the enlightenment (Ultramar), or he has to make one from zero (Baal). Baal is a wasteland anyways and only retained its primitive state so their religious ways didn’t become an issue during the crusade, which really doesn’t mater now. Because of this they are pliable but also lead by nobles of men, the blood angels. From these new “hearts” Guilliman can then start to pump civilisation to rest of the Imperium. Even then it is likely going to take thousands of years, but his got time?
or we shall see how it burns
Gulliman builds empires, it is what he was made to do.
Appointing the most senior chapter master, who is in charge of the newly secured bastion, makes sense. Especially given Gulliman's opinion of how human rule has turned the Imperium into a fanatical theocracy, it's no surprise he'd rather give power to astartes who do not worship the Emperor and live just to get shit done.
Gulliman need people who get the job done, not religious zealots who don't follow orders because they had a psychic vision or just a dream influenced by their fanatical religion.
Dante thinks he had a chinwag with his dead Primarch.
@@kelman727 I know, but I don't think Gulliman is aware of that. I doubt he'd approve if he knew.
Sounds more like the partitioning of the Roman Empire into Eastern and Western halves. The Eastern half we call the Byzantine Empire but they thought of themselves as Roman. As did the Roman half. So really, I don’t see a problem. But the perception is everything. And I doubt the Custodes care. If they did, they’d have put a stop to it. They may question the wisdom of the move but they’re disinterested themselves as it doesn’t affect their mission of guarding the Emperor.
It does mirror that in ways, but with one big difference: there isn't any sort of ideological schism between the two. There's just a massive warp rift between them.
@@stevevincent1881 until the Catholic vs Orthodox thing both parts of the Empire were practically equal ( minus the greek dominance in the East )
Guilliman is just setting the imperium up for the inevitable. The imperium is cut into two halves that have difficulty communicating with each other so there has to be another headquarters that has the ability to run independently if need be. Dante and the Blood Angels are the most trustworthy
*cue Horus Lupercal and Sons of Horus*
Gulliman appointing his beloved brother's sons to take back the Imperium Nilus.
Sangprimus Portum used to bring back the sons of Sanguinus to their pinnacle once again.
Sanguinus was beloved of all. Including his brother's legions. Most like The Emperor in nature.
Since they are cut off, they need a stronghold and the Blood Angels are beyons willing to do what they have to so others can live. It is in good hands
Im so glad you make these along with luetin09 you have got me into 40k lore massively, im trying to work my way through the books you suggest and i just want to say thankyou for keeping these videos going i love the lore
Gotta love how the Ultrasmurfs keep asking the Blood Angels to take charge of the hard stuff. Imperium Secundus, The 2nd War for Armageddon, and now Imperium Nihilus.
We're the Ultramarines, the best of the best of the best. But just incase we have the Blood Angels on speed dial.
Blood Angels are just built different.
Quite literally, I guess lol.
They're like the "good" version of the World Eaters (post Nails, or course).
@@henryviiifake8244 out of curiosity what were they like before they got the nails?
@@1stcaptainraldoron538 They were still an assault-focused legion designed for frontal combat. But they were not mindless. Agron really messed up his legion.
@@shadearca funny. Prior to being united with Sangunius, the 9th legion WAS a mindless assault legion. Had they been given Aangron as a father, the nails would’ve changed very little except some additional rage.
I was just wondering about this: if the Lion returns, and the Sanguinor is confirmed to be the spirit of Sanguinius, and he fuses with Dante - both highly anticipated events - we’d have the makings of Imperium Secundus 2.0!
I'm pretty sure the sanguinor has already been confirmed to just be a blood angel marine, in the same book where they cover mephiston and the black angel
So a Lion El’Sanguinius and Roboute Guilliman control 2 halves of the empire.
Nah. Dante doesn’t need that. We know who the Sanguinor is and we also have Mephestion doing that. Dante is already great.
Also it would make more sense to just fuse with Mephiston who already has the most powerful shard
People forget Sanguinius was looked at one of the possibilities alongside Horus and the Lion for Warmaster. He was the most powerful fighter, a great diplomat, icon of the Imperium, far and impartial in judgements, but swift and efficient in retribution, and although many overlook it he was a great tactical mind not as great as the Lion and Horus but very good. I would say he equals or beats Guilliman in tactical brilliance but is not near as good in logistical aspects.
Dante is one of the best representations of his Primarch in a Astartes and he strives to be better even now at 1500+ years of age and experience. His home was also located on that side so Logan and Calgar are out of the running right there, Imperial Fists guard the Segmentum Solar, the White Scars, Raven Guard, and Salamanders Chapter Masters are too young and planets are not positioned well for this task either. Only the Dark Angels being mobile and the Black Templar's have a option as being looked at since Azriel and Helbrecht are great tactical minds, warriors and have much experience. However neither has great diplomatic experience with the Inquisition and other key agencies so Dante was the best choice by a long shot.
Gulliman was late to the siege of Terra, was late to the iron cage and was late to Bail ... I think he needs a better watch
Gman is indeed the best primarch to return first. I don't really see any of the loyalist primarchs rebuilding the imperium or setting up a bastion in north called Imperium Nihilus. It's surprising any one would doubt Guilliman's intentions other than help rebuild the imperium his father intended it to be.
I think nihilus is either RG’s backup plan for if he somehow loses control of Primus (or if Terra falls), OR it’s a test model to be stabilized and built along E’s original vision then apply as a model everywhere else.
Or a desperate attempt to hold up the half of the Imperium RG can’t reliably travel to.
@@kelman727 That's in the short term. RG always has the long term in mind.
Nobility goes hand-in-hand with humility.
Dante and the 9th are tested, noble, potent, and maintain a working relationship between chapters under maybe the most respected single astartes in the Imperium.
Question for you Wolf Lord. If it wasn't Dante that was chosen, who would be the best choice in your opinion? Any other Chapter Master have his level of experience and respect?
Calgar
Helbrecht
Grimnar
Azreal
Those are the only chapter masters that stand out to me as potential alternatives.
Calgar would probably have been the best 2nd choice.
Helbrecht isn't ideal because of the Templars' transient nature.
Grimnar isn't ideal because his chapter doesn't play well with the Inquisition.
Azreal and the Dark Angles aren't ideal because of how reclusive they are.
So if not Dante, Calgar has comparable experience, talent and noteriety to fill the role in addition to having the correct temporment and positive relations with other Imperial branches.
IMO
@@rusul9058 yeah, but can you imagine if Guilliman had qput his second in command in charge of the whole second half of the imperium?
@@rusul9058 Calgar is out of the list. His job is to manage the ultramarine chapter and Ultramar itself. Besides putting him in charge of half of imperium will cause discussion.
I’m happy my chapter is coming back after the devastation the blood is truly strong
Just wanna say love your stuff Rho. Hope to see more salamanders stuff in the future
Dante has more experience running a chapter than Guiliman. That will be hard to swallow, but it's fact. Dante has lead the BA for over a thousand years, Roboute was around for nowhere near that time before his wound from Fulgrim and placement in stasis. Also Dante knows the Imperium in it's current state. Guiliman is still finding his feet. Again there is about a thousand years worth of experience between the two. Different levels of command heirarchy obviously, but still Dante has a thousand plus years of experience in the current setting, Guiliman does not.
It makes absolute sense that Roboute would want Dante in a position of authority and trust.
Given the fractured warring state of Nihlius where even the Astronomicon fails, I see a completely different path that awaits this region. I see given enough time a land of near constant war ruled by space marine lords owing nominal allegiance to Dante who is kinda like the Shogun, the chief warlord of all Nihlus. This is from practical needs but the leadership of the space marines ensures spartan but fair and efficient control. What that practically means is complete flagrant disregard for the codex and space marines being local political and war leaders not by consensus or appointment by humans, but because it is space marines that are in control now. Essentially Nihilus is the future the heretics originally forseen as the leaders and owners of the Imperium.
Best lore channel. Great job bro.
Hoping you had a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, my friend!
I don't understand why some ppl make a big deal out of the Imperium Secundus. at that time it was the only logical choice in my eyes. it was not a 2nd rebellion it was created to preserve what big E strived for. Also, Dante and the BA is the best choice for this task. the only ones who can sail the stars on that side and who cam back from their lowest. so they can lead by example and action, unlike most other chapters.
Dante, legendary chapter master, and oldest model in the citadel range still in use >_> I wonder if we'll get an update for him in this millenium
You're in luck!
As much as I love blood angels and Dante I just wish Dante’s rules and model lived up to his fluff, his model is from 2nd Ed and his rules haven’t been great for a few editions now (always over costed and under powered compared to other characters), I mean his pistol isn’t even a unique piece of wargear like it was in 2nd ed
I read Dante's appointment less as part of a big plan and more as a way for Guilliman to pass the buck on Nihilus. He already has too much to deal with as it is, and letting Dante take charge there for now means he has less to worry about. I got the feeling that Guilliman was EXHAUSTED when he was speaking to Dante, but maybe that was just me being tired of that mostly boring book. I think it could transition into an eventual plan but for now I'm not betting on it being any more than a temporary fix.
Interesting take, especially if the Lion were to return. Because him and Guilliman pushed Sanguinius into leading Secundus, so I think he'd agree to having Sanguinius's greatest son (of the time) being put in charge.
I kinda agree with that. I think once the lion comes back and is updated on the situation he would want to start a new phase of the indominus crusade, primarily a more offensive focus instead of a more of a reactionary relief focus.
Thank you! Can't wait to watch. Keep up the great work!
Astropaths can only be made on Terra and die in droves whenever the warp gets volatile.
So isn’t the Imperium Nihilus going to eventually run out of them, even assuming Guilliman gave Dante a truckload of them before leaving?
What the Imperium need right now is stability and that requires long term planning. And the only people who can plan for hundreds of years in the future are those who can live that long which the space marines fit the bill. It makes total sense that Gulliman made the chapter masters into systems governors. They are smarter, have better memory, can live for very long and are political reliable unlike planets governors. For too long the Imperium have slept on the intellectual potential of the space marines. Even black templars make better leaders than some hive lords on Armageddon.
Dante had to be warden no other chapter master commands as much awe. And respect. Not that they aren't amazing in their owe ways, they just aren't Dante.
Imperium secundus wasn’t a mistake!
Nice video as always
Exactly, it was a plan B.
Happy New Year Rho!
It’s his job he’s the back up plan like russ is the executioner
Love the content keep up the great work
If the Secundus were to happen once more, He has full permission to do it by Emps during and before the HH. He would have his blessing now especially. What I think is happening, is he is bracing the Western Fringe for an all out war and invasion once more against the great terrors and avenge the ones lost. The Emperor spoke through Guilliman and not only that, he gave him his sword to smite Chaotic forces. Truthfully, This is setting up a very very very nice strong hold and defenses against any invasion.
It stands to reason that the Custodes would know about Imperium Secundus, given the Emperor knew about it and Sanguinius was on Terra for a while before dying. It was a big proclamation as well, easy to censor 10k years in the future, but just after the Heresy, less so. It would come to their ears eventually.
I think you might even be a bit closer than you think here - but also quite a long way off the mark. I've long held that the reason Dante has never got a "Primaris" model while tons of less popular characters have is because GW have something big in store for him and it needs to play out in the story before they release one. Given what appeared to be his recent direct interaction with Sanguinius' spirit, I think we're going to see Dante merged with the light half of the spirit of his father - much like Mephiston has merged with the dark half. So effectively we get a Primarch-level character for the Blood Angels that actually makes sense in terms of the lore.
Dante has long been plagued by visions of a confrontation before the Golden Throne - almost certainly with Abaddon. There is also what appears to be a shard of Sanguinius aboard the Vengeful Spirit - so if Abaddon assaults Terra and during the assault Dante boards the Vengeful Spirit, he would almost certainly encounter this shard of his father. I believe this will be the key to Dante's ascension and rebirth - giving him the power needed to pursue and confront Abaddon.
Where I think we might be a bit off here though is what happens to Terra and The Emperor. I reckon given what I've heard so far, the Emperor is actually going to truly ascend to godhood and this will both mean the destruction of Terra but also a new chapter for the Imperium and those primarchs who eventually return. Basically mankind get a chaos god of order on their side, but rather than an Imperium Secundus to replace Terra, we see a decentralisation of power with each Primarch or major faction ruling over their own galactic state.
Great video !!
The light of Sanguinius shines upon you !
Blood Angels have no equal.
Glory to the wardens of the Imperium Nihilus !
I’d still like to get a Wolf Lord Rho guarantee on Wolftime! I’ve been getting a lot of mixed reviews on the book’s quality
$20 says dante already knows about sanguinius's appointment as Emperor during the heresy and dosen't care
So true, Guilliman being Guilliman, here have an empire
The crazy captain of the flesh tearers who tried to fist fight the Sanquinor would have been a great choice.
I have one question: is possible lord Dante can become a saint of the God Emperor?
Dante:finally I die
Sanguinius:no
Dante:finally I can retire and die
Guillaman:no (slaps warden title into Dante's face)
Dante: finally I die
Guillaman:no primaris is mandatory now
Dante:finally I die
Big E:no I'm still on vacation
(Dante becomes a living saint)
Dante: (physically and overly depress)
Thanks for the video
Baal is being rebuilt as the capital of the Nihilus. Being fortified with Astra militarium and their new space station Skyfall
If you had to make a warden for the South East and West who would you pick
Commander Dante is so respected that Tu'Shan a living legend and chapter master of the Salamanders along with Marneus Calgar of the Ultramarines (who needs no introduction) cede overall command to him during the second war for Armageddon. He consistently has other chapters and chapter masters show deference to him he is kinda like his dad in that way. I doubt there is another figure is universally respected and liked by as much of the imperium hell he can even make renegade chapters come to his word. Hell the custodes really wasn’t even able to question Dante all he could do was compare him to his father Sanguineous and quickly pivoted to questioning guillermen. Also it is the nature of the custodes to prioritize terra and the direct domain of the emperor. The way the custodes worded it it felt like he would have fully supported the endeavor of Sanguineous was the one doing it, would be neat since Sanguineous was the one who embodied what the emperor portrayed himself as so it would likely cause the golden boys feel closer to him then the other primarch. Would be cool if to stabilize things some of the eyes of the emperor took to guarding Dante since they cannot protect the emperor or terra any longer.
Dante's the type of OG that the OGs call an OG. His name may start with a big D, but he's a walking W.
The Blood Angels protec, The Blood Angels attack, The Blood Angels bring humanity back
Roboute Guilliman’s detractors within the Imperium will use whatever they can to discredit & minimize his ability to reform the Imperium. That being said, appointing Dante to oversee Imperium Nihilus seems like the safest option politically as well as tactically. Dante (as stated) is widely respected & one of the most stalwart defenders of the Imperium. The theoretical & practical reality is that whatever happens in the galaxy north of the rift is unobservable & impossible to manage from the galactic south.
Dante is the only one who could take this role, no one else comes close to him, he will become primaris soon too I can see it ✌🏼
guilliman really wants to bring the story forward
Im sure next his little project will be totally pounded to dust by the forces of chaos
his 500 worlds burned once, they will burn again.
Chaos already tried to do that with the Deathguard and Mortarion invading Ultramar after the Devastation of Bhaal but they got their teeth kicked in. The Emperor spanked Mortarion and set Nurgles garden ablaze while Nurgle did not dare to step out of his mansion and was watching like a dufus.
@@shadearca Mortarion always lacked the initiative and the drive. despite the existence of corvus corax and curze, mortarion was the biggest emo in the whole Imperium. always whining that he had it hardest.
I feel the Black Rage coming on brother .
When it’s broke, try something different to fix it. The Emperor used the Astartes to conquer the galaxy. The Primaris will be used to retake it.
In godblight doesn't that rememberancer get a book that talks about imperium seconded that nurgles deamon gives him
which chapter are actually in Nihulus - Secendus - the one in 42k?
Dante isn't a Primarch. He can never be physically equal to Sanguinius. That said, his experience dwarfs all of the non-demon/not Vulkan Primarchs. The Crusade was about 100 yrs long, the Heresy about 10. So Sanguinius couldn't be over 150 when he died.
Dante's been doing what the Primarchs were meant to do, for a longer time. He was the natural choice to lead Nihilus.
Id say Guilliman isnt building a empire he is building hope for the mankind but yeah in the world everyone sees war everywhere it will be hard to pass as such. Everyone sees and judge by his own standards and lets just say 40k has its own standards and hope isnt top position there.
People always talk smack thats politics and Guilliman is the most successful Primarch in terms of longetivity similar to Dante. If Guilliman screws up its not like hes the worst out there. Look at everyone elses position and look at his. Hes still around and his Ultramarines are the largest chapter for a reason. He may get his haters all because their Primarch in the book and also fans in general got messed up. If he was an untrustworthy guy and a douche he would have just purge or left everyone in the dust and just only create Ultramarines. But no he still makes use of other chapters in a way they can still do their own thing.
There is a reason that guilluman made sanguinius the figure head of imperium secundus and now he chooses the Dante and the blood angels once more to be the figurehead
I'm a Necron player but I'll give this a listen
Dante is Sanguinius in everything but flesh. The Man is everything Imperium stands for, underestimating Him is just heretical.
I believe in what Gilman is doing is the right decision and the necessary imperium is corrupt building a new empire is the best option.
See? This is my problem with modern 40k lore. You could literally cut the Imperium in half and it _still_ doesn't matter. The Imperium is narratively unstoppable because, whenever they suffer a setback, GW lacks the sack to make it actually matter. The Emperor could be (and probably is) dead and the Imperium could still function, and probably better than ever before. Why did the Emperor matter again? The Imperium Nihilus now has a _new_ Emperor for all functional purposes.
All the supposed peril that humanity is supposed to be under is a lie. If it ever occurred to the Imperium what mary sues they are, they could probably mend the cicatrix maledictum, kill every xeno in the galaxy, and make a new 2.0 Emperor even better than the last one.
The true return of the Imperator Regis may come before the end. At least I hope he does.
Interesting take
ah yes another reason for Sanguinius to be angry
Guilliman wishes Dante was his son and instead,he is stucked with Mary Sue Calgar.
Maybe this was influenced by the Game of Thrones series and popularity. Warden of the North.
I doubt RG is doing anything nefarious.
Since Dante isn't Sanguinius anyone think that he'd come back through Dante finally falling to the black rage if just in name only
Dante/Louis is my boy!!
Wolf your a beast man
More importantly to Dante, maybe he can finally REST!!!
plot armor and GW: lmao no
I don't understand this obsession with Imperium Secundus? Not having somone able to make the big decisions IMMEDIATELY on the Nihilis side not only makes sense but would be laughably grimderp if it wasn't. Guilleman would be Michael Scott with Dante/Dwight the assistant to the assistant regional manager... If GW tries to push some issue with Imperium Secundus that is just lazy writing and lack of creativity by writers. The Inquisition must have known about it. The Emperor must have known about it. No one cares. To be honest had Guilleman, the Lion, and Sanguinius NOT set up a second empire that might have been treasonous. Not fighting for mankind, giving up would be treason.
And honestly, we have established the cold cruel reality of the Emperor. His "warmth" and humanity maybe just an act, but perhaps maybe it will be his "disposable tools" (the primarchs) that surpass even their creator and actually achieve what the Emperor couldn't. Was it not Guilleman who told Dante during the rebuilding of Baal to make the planet better for the people, that what is the point of all this fighting if the people live is squalor and without hope. That is far more "human" than the Emperor. The more I think on this the more I really feel that the logical evolution of this theme is that maybe those disposable tool primarchs (at least a few of them) are really the only force left that truly wants to uplift and enlighten humanity, that actually believes in the Imperial Truth, and will maybe free the Imperium from the frightened cult it has become. Remember, at this point it is very likely that the Emperor planned all this out, including accession to godhood.
That custodes was fucking offensive.
Off topic but I truly believe the Tyrannids are merely scavengers from another galaxy and are simply trying to find more virtual gift vouchers for Rho to give them more lore.
Yes.
Until Dante falls and Seth takes over. Civil war 2.0!!
Didn't Guilliman run the imperium after the heresy?
Dante Best boi
Making Dante ,Warden and making Sanguinius Emperor… and narratively link definitely , neat story telling on BLack Library’s end . Dante did wonder what Sanguinius would have done give half Imperium. It’s gonna be interesting.
Everybody blames lorgar for the heresy.
Girlyman was the true cause.
Calth was justified.
I would love it if Dante dies crossing the rubicon, then a shard of Sanguinus' soul fuses with Dante to turn him into a demi-primarch. It would be a great way to refresh his model and make him like a brother to Guilliman
6:40 you seem shocked the custodes know of the Imperium secondus… they are the closest to the emperor… your logic displays your doubt in our Emperor.
Heresy.
I wanted to hate Dante bit after reading a little I just can't.
what alternatives ? nah only Dante.
I think they are gonna have a second heresy a civil war between the 2 sides maybe on Baal they invent a alternative to the astronomicon. So Dante decides we can take emps off the throne and let him become a god and the custodes and papasmurf don't like that idea.
I have to wonder how all of Baal's construction and reinforcement will affect marine recruitment. Baal and its moons were considered death worlds, probably even more so now after the tyranid invasion, and the harsh conditions of death worlds are needed to produce worthy aspirants. It seems like Baal will end up as a sort of second Cadia and for all Cadia's might and glory, they still never had space marines recruit from the population.
They couldn't recruit from cadia because if they did cadia would be exempt from the imperial tithe meaning no more cadian guard regiments.
1. Guilliman comments the BA have always had the power to turn Baal into a better and less lethal world. Now it’s the de facto capital of Imperium Nihilus that has actually happened.
2. Every eligible human male that survived the Devestation has been conscripted as neophytes for the BA and their successors - who have also been reinforced with Primaris marines from the Indomitus Crusade.
3. Baal has built up a mighty fleet, rebuilt the Arx Angelicum and built a new and MASSIVE space station.
Guilliman did nothing wrong!
Lorgar did nothing wrong
All he ever wanted was the truth.
Also, Lorgar is the only one to get what he wanted.
Lorgar, the danger of one well meaning idiot.
@@gerardmontgomery280 The Emperor: demonstrating the consqeuences of poor parenting for 10,000 years (and that's before we address the infanticide).
What if, holy crap, the Emperor's returning causes ALL the loyalist primarchs to return, even the dead-ish ones, as- like with the legion of the damned- loyalist "Imperial daemons"
How would the Emperor somehow becoming corporeal again cause the other loyalist Primarchs to un-yeet themselves from the warp?
On that note, weren't the Primarchs themselves intended to be "Imperial Demons"? If Sanguinius' combat record against Greater Demons of Khorne is anything to go by (although he's easily one of the most powerful combatants amongst his bros)...
@@henryviiifake8244 I will tell you how. Empyrean plot devices.