I want to thank Ivan for his incredible help in finding the final issue with my vehicle. To everyone I fully knew the scope of work needling done in swapping the motor. The shop in question did not do any work to the motor regarding the spun rods. The motor was sent to a shop that specialize in rebuilding BMW motors and was fully rebuilt. The shop in hand was ask to just R&R the motor. Remove motor from chassis, remove components and wiring, Send motor to rebuild shop, And to reinstall components to and motor to chassis. I would be paying for such labor at the shops rate. I did not send to shop trying to be cheap. I sent to shop as it was a extended family members shop, and I want to support their small business. So I figured I would let them do the swap as the motor work was being preformed by a very well reputable shop BMW rebuild shop. I asked a million question regarding if they were knowingly and able to preform such work. They said they were fully capable of such task and handle the work. Fast forward from me dropping off a running vehicle to flat bedding it out. The car ran fine outside the valve tap when I initially dropped it off, and had only two DTC codes referencing to the Vanos solenoids. Fast forward a year. When the motor is swapped. The car would not Start or Crank just the instrument cluster was responsive. When scanning the car for codes I got over 80 DTCs. I ended up having to flat bed the car from the shop as they now said they don't fully understand the BMW's. Upon getting the car back The first main issues was wiring to the main harness hooked up incorrectly. After correcting this issues the car then cranked, However the fuel injectors were not seated correctly and the high pressure fuel rail was not torqued causing gas to flood exterior of 5and6 cylinder. This cause me to have to replace all the ignition coils, Spark plugs, and Injectors in question. Also the Valvetronic was shorted when it received the wrong voltage so that had to be replaced as well. Transmission issues from the shop damaging transmission pan during swap, and a few other issues. I Manage to fix and correct all theses issues. Too be left with one last nightmare that I would have never figured out. But it was really neat to see Ivan not only fix but located this issues in honestly no time at all. I spend days on it. he spent less then a hour. What I learned, Always go with your gut. Just because someone has a shop and say they can do a job don't mean they can. Always do you do due diligence even if you know the person for business. Apologies on the long comment.
A good technician knows his limits. At my shop, there's not much I can't handle. But you know what? I steer clear of European cars. I don't ever get them in, I freely admit I don't have the experience with them, and I don't have the tools required to properly service these cars. That's honestly FINE with me. In my area, we have a pre-dominance of American and Asian cars. I have SCADS of experience on both, so I feel comfortable taking on those models. I have never had a client get upset with me by being honest and telling them, I do not have the expertise to service this model. I want to make sure you have a good experience here, and unfortunately, in this case, it means telling you that I am not equipped to service your car, however, I am happy to refer you to someone who I know that does have the expertise, and someone I trust to send you to. People appreciate up front honesty.
I've kept a 1999 Mercedes Ml320 alive for 207,000 miles and never would have figured out the swapped connector issue as well. Ivan is at times a miracle worker, and makes it look easy in the process. I've learned a great deal from watching his videos. Thanks for sharing your story William, may your BMW run for many hundreds of thousands of miles.
Makes you appreciate Japanese poka-yoke. I worked for a Japanese company and we had to always design so connectors couldn't get confused. Often we used connectors with different pin counts even though we left pins unused just to make sure someone (mostly the factory) couldn't get confused and swap the plugs. In design reviews we always addressed how we had done poka-yoke.
I'm working on my 90s Jeep right now, and I have the dash completely out (ac evaporator and heater core jeep). The only set of connectors that are same are color coded, so you have to be color blind to get this wrong. Now I just have to make sure I get everything I disconnected plugged back in because there is a lot of extra connectors behind the dash for the options I don't have.
The Japanese are a clever bunch. Our quality inspection devices - gauges of various kinds are designed on the concept of poka-yoke so they can't be used incorrectly by the operators.
If the shop that did that swap had any pride or ethics they'd just eat it. They'll live.. I ran an air conditioning and heating company in Houston for 25 years and every once in a blue moon we'd blow it beyond recovery and I would just step up and eat it... I think there were 4 instances of that over the 25 years. It sucked and it hurt,, hurt the pride and the wallet,,, but I would eat it..
If somebody thinks your an idiot because you screwed up has never done a damn thing. Personally after over 35 years in the business there's no way I would have took on that ulcer but hey everyone loves a challenge even Ivan.
A sign we have in our shop says "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional, just wait until you hire an amateur". This shop clearly got in over their heads and although it hurts, make it right
Same here, surely having connectors the same (are they not colour matched?) is just asking for trouble. Shop could have marked them during dismantling.
You live and you learn, it’s called common sense. Stay away from doing business with relatives, a bad business outcome can ruin your family relationship. Only deal with shops that guarantee their work in writing and before proceeding with work check out BBB complaints and comments. In this time of scams and Covid, even taking those precautions won’t guarantee you a satisfactory outcome. When you find a good shop and competent mechanic that tells you the truth and doesn’t gouge you on price, support them and tell your friends and family about them. They will thank you for it.
Marking connectors is a must when doing an engine swap as demonstrated by the multiple wrong connections made. That BMW uses many of the same connectors for multiple sensor and computer applications further complicates the situation . Absolutely OUTSTANDING! case study your patience always amazes me. Bravo !
Nice job Ivan! All the problems are totally on the shop! Sounds like this was the shop's first BMW swap anyone with half a brain would have turned it away!
I've done engine swaps. I've always captured the before and after codes. Told them these are the current codes. It's up to the owner for me to continue a diag. I tell them my rate. No estimate on $ figure. I don't want to get stuck with a 4 hour diag and I quoted him a low number. If they start arguing. My diag is over. If the code was my cause. Such as a sensor not plugged in. I will owe that up. Only wish I had a pico on my tool list. But crap. I'm getting to old for this. Anyhow. I've learned from Ivan. Mr. O and others.
I used to hate BMW/Mercedes/Audi/Volkswagen….but i’ve made so much money working on them i’m beginning to like them a lot more. I’d just never own one.
& great job, Ivan, but unfortunately, i don't know why BMW makes things complicated with the same shspes of connector!.but hey, big ups, because your Diagnotics has actually enlighten Me, not to play around with bmw connectors!
@@mikefoehr235 well on BMW pictures won't work really, because most if the connector looks the same, like the valvetronic plugs are the same can reach the other sensor. And some of BMW harness doesn't have a spider web, meaning one plug can't reach a next plug socket like USA and Japanese cars sadly.
The initial code, 3162 and 3157 are the BMW decimal codes... It does not translate directly to "P" code by just adding a "P" before the numbers... There is tables online that shows a "translation" or a match if you will, from the decimal code to a "P" code... Hope that has not been covered later in the video, otherwise this is a pointless comment... 😋🤣🤣🤣 Now back to the video... 👍👍👍
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Most systems I believe just report to the scan tool the hex or decimal code... It is then up to the tool to look on their database and translate that into a "P" code... Most of tools, on BMW still just show the decimal code... Some tools, you can select that decimal code, click details, or something similar, (depending on the tool...), and that then shows other details including the "P" code... Mercedes for example, does the same...
When working on a BMW, you really need to get ISTA (diagnosis scanner with inbuilt wiring diagrams) ISTA is the OEM diagnostics program. I can give you a slightly outdated version free if you like. (of cause you will need a Enet or Dcan cable to connect fra OBD to laptop)
As a primary Euro tech myself I've seen a lot of screw-ups by other shops who end up bringing it to us to fix. Sad that shop did such a botched job that it cost this guy probably way more then the cars worth. I'm sure this owner won't go there again. Great diagnosis and finding the problem at hand. For future reference, pop that air box off it's super easy. Remove the hose clamp and pulled upward it comes right out just on some rubber holders over plastic pegs. Gives you more room. You can also pull the intake manifold back a good bit to access under neither for starters and what not.. super easy, 11mm on the intake nuts/bolts and Remove intake piping and the wiring retainers.
I learned the hard way on some of these older cars. I had a neighbor pull into my driveway, didn't really know her but everyone who drives by my house understands 'I fix things'. Her car was making 'some noise', so I figured the polite thing would be to pop the hood and just give it a quick look/listen, provide my solicited opinion. I leaned in and some obscure plastic evap component just crumbled when I touched it. I lost three hours of my life and about $75 between procuring the part and playing parts store hopscotch. The obscure noise was her throw out bearing and clutch were basically toast.
Mmmmm........... Electrical work. My faaavvvvorite. (Rolling eyes) Solid work Sir!! Bonus comment, bet they're not "friends" anymore. ALWAYS be nervous about friends and family automotive work. It always seems to get F'ed up. It's very rare I've heard of those situations with a happy ending.
The greatest demonstration of a mid amp bulb for diagnosis. When i worked on AC devices back a while ago, TV, VCR, etc, i had a 300 watt bulb cord with switch setup in series with the load on anything blowing fuses.
I've worked at BMW manufacturing in 2011 so this baby slipped by me on the production line for sure. There's 5300 spot welds in that car. It also has rivets, MIG welds, glue and hand brazing holding it together. I am particularly proud of the sides body panels since that was my section to watch over day in, day out... B-pilar and door braces have armor crash protection. It is one hell of a fine made car.
Crazy! I agree greatly on quoting more than book time. Everyone often forgets that book time is based of performing the procedure on a brand new car with no miles. Things do not always go as planned.
i all ways when working on a bmw and have to disconnect wire's put a bit of tape with a number on to both side's of the connector save's a lot of time in the end,nice job on finding that 1
I would have eaten the cost of engine swap if I was that shop. Also if I would do a job on a vehicle I am not familiar with, I research the crap out of it first before I would even quote it. Second I learned along time ago label all connectors when I take them apart. Also I baggie all nuts and bolts with labels where they came from. Makes things a lot easier when reassembling.
yeah, and be totally transparent with the customer that this is your first rodeo with this particular car model and for them to expect a bumpy ride, that you'll work with them the best you can, but when it's all said and done, they're going to pay for at least half of your mistakes (or you're just doing it mostly for the experience and to help out a family member). But in that latter case, that's when you especially have to work methodically and double/triple check everything, take plenty of notes/pictures, etc... It's called the slow fast way (instead of the fast slow way)
90% of shops are not honest or stand behind their work like Ivan would. Every Dealership experience I have had was full of excuses and overcharges, sad since I have zero confidence in any shop now. I wish I lived closer to Ivan!
Definitely on the shop, I am a Mechanic at my Stepdad's shop, the first time I dropped an engine out the bottom the craddle stand wasn't setup right...I had the stand rotated 180deg, dropped it to the floor, the shop bought a new oilpan, oil pickup tube, cradle got bent and a couple other items that were mainly just a cya...the customer was sitting in the shop at the time b.s.ing with my stepdad...they both shook their heads laughed and came over to help me get the engine up off the floor. Thank God they both are laid back old timers...all said and done the shop spent $800 on parts and an extra 5hrs labor...I was so pissed about it yet had to suppress it and maintain what little professionalism I had left...I don't even remember why I was dropping the engine in the 1st place...lol good times as a new mech. Now I'm getting into the more deep diag's and finding things learned watching you, Scanner Danner, South Main Auto and the one ford guy that I can never remember the name of...seems to be the only ford guy that comes up with ford in the channel name...I digress! Thank you for all the great video's and thank God my Stepdad stands behind our work. He would have paid you for your time fixing this if it was our mistake!
I have done BMW engine swaps. 6 cylinder even the new turbo N20 4 cylinder engine. They are not that hard to do and get right, But you have to have the right mind set to do them because they get complicated real fast cause of the wiring and connectors.. The shop owner saw dollar signs $$$ and thought his 10 $ per hour guy could do it.. that is where he made his mistake🤣. All of the damages is 100% on the shop owner. If the car drove in and wouldn't start, they damaged the parts, Simple easy, the shop owner is actually responsible for this diag charge and repair as well..
You fixed that problem. The shop that changed the engines is responsible for their work. When my Dad had his automotive repair business, a guy came in with a problem in his vehicle. He proceeds to tell my Dad about what this shop and that shop did to the vehicle. My Dad closed the hood and told the guy to take it to someone else! You don't have to take a problem vehicle like that that others have worked on. When I worked for the L.A. Dept of Water and Power, I saw vehicles like that. Other DWP shops worked on them, then we got the problem! There were several of us in the shop and we helped each other. We got it fixed!
I always liked the trouble shooting end of automotive repairs, the problem with this is the Jobs that come in, is either screwed up by the customer or by friends of friend garage. As book time !!! THROW the book out, that's for factory assembly where everything is new. Great diagnostic think before action.
"It spun the rod bearings, apparently that's what happens..." German engineering! 4 months later... I didn't realize I had commented on this before. The "like button" wasn't pressed, which led me to believe that I hadn't seen it before. Still stand behind my original comment!
I am so glad to see a vehicle that was worth fixing, not a jeep or something with 250,000 miles on it, my Boss spent almost $10,000 putting a new engine in his 750i, and it still had problems.
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In german cars wiring color is important as it corresponds to DIN. Red is always hot. Switching colors at connectors is not a common thing.
Great video. Definitely the shops fault. Over a year.... that's crazy! Projects like that happen in body shops all the time when cars are in the shop on the back burner for years even though the owner has already paid.
That was great ! Super skilled step by step electrical diagnostic procedure ! Incredible instructional skills as well ! Thanks for letting us learn from you !! 🙌🏼
I started watching your TH-cam because my truck is not wanting to stay running. Then I just kept watching your videos to learn more about the wiring and electric side of cars. It'll be nice to learn from your videos seeing how you do an amazing job of braking it down. Just saying thanks for taking your time to make these videos I know I am learning from the right person again thanks.
Love watching your approach to these issues. I’ve been a German tech in the past and having faulty diagrams wasted a lot of time. Shop should eat the repair unfortunately.
Watching you has caused an upgrade in my electrical test equipment, and made my life easier. Thanks. And prevented me from even thinking of modern eurotrash as a DD.
Unfortunately the shop was at fault in this case. But hey shout-out to the owner for doing his home work and "unscrewing some of the screw-ups" to get the car running again🚙💨💨💨
Yes these mills do spin bearings, due to oil starvation usually. Maybe if they had a dipstick...? Or perhaps not a 6k oil change interval? Anyhow, the very few times I do Euros, I use only OE diagrams and code descriptions. Great detective work Ivan! Shops of integrity are tough to find. If the owner decided to take that shop to court, he'd probably win, but at what additional cost?
Lol. 99.9% of car owners today never check their oil anyway, which is why they put the electronic sensors in to begin with. Hell, 1/2 of them probably don't know how to open the hood. I do agree that the oil change intervals are way too optimistic, but I also wonder what people are using. They buy a $50,000 car and then somehow complain when Mobil 1 cost $8/qt.
I am more of a Mercedes diesel guy, but I bought 2002 BMW 5 series and had do an engine swap, that went well and I have been driving for many years. I recently bought 2012 750Xi as a project. It has the notorious 4.4 dual turbo V8. Engine on one cylinder has a bad rod bearing. So need to pull the hopefully I will be able to find a replacement engine. Scarry part is it is a lot more complicated the 5 series. Just will take it one step at a time.
If your shop was anywhere near Louisville, KY, I'm certain where i would take my 4 BMW's for service (4 of 8 vehicles). You're certainly a competent diagnostic technician, that's a big plus, you also get a super + since i can see that you also have a lot of good sense, I see at 21:10 that you do not want 'NO MORE BULLSHIT.' Neither does the vast majority of people in this country, we were scanned..
Sounds like the owner has been to hell and back with that. I'd say the other shop should swallow the cost but will mean completely burning your bridge with them. I swear I've got PTSD from that BMW bong sound 😁
Ivan the BMW owner is as patient as you! Having a car in the shop for a year would be hair pulling for most people coupled with the original engine swappers getting so much wrong would make most of us want to scream! Hope the engine swapper takes a hit to make up for all their mixups.
The debacle the owner experienced shows a good mechanic is worth their weight in gold. Maybe things are different in the US (I’m from the UK), but unless specifically agreed otherwise, I’d expect them to work on a ‘no fix, no pay’ basis, particularly as they caused damage whilst attempting the work they were contracted to do.
I once diagnosed a friend’s BMW E36 with a crank no-start. He had taken it to a shop for a clutch and it ran fine when he took it in but the shop couldn’t get it to start after replacing the clutch. Every once in awhile it would turn on for a few seconds and run like crap before stalling. There was no spark. The ignition coils were receiving ~8V and tracing the wiring harness back to the connector found it only partially seated. Seating the connecter fixed the problem. My friend had been chasing a potentially bad engine ground for days which I immediately ruled out within a minute of pulling up wiring diagrams.
That was quite a challenge! After 2 bad diagrams, and that much aggravation. It really takes a deep understanding of electrical diagnostics. No way I would have pulled that off, on my own.
It's a BMW ahhhhh ruuuunnnn! Another great one and great diagnostics. Yep the shop should buy the parts they caused to go bad by not connecting the connectors to the right connector. I also agree on charging more shop time for a job you've never done before, that only makes sense. Thanks for sharing Ivan. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
I agree, the customer gave him an out to not do the job if he’s not confident doing it, also it’s ok for a shop to say I’m not confident doing it because today’s cars are so complicated and need so many special tools can’t expect a shop to be able to do everything. Stick to what they know how to do
You don't know what you don't know until you know it. I've done a lot of things with cars and trucks that turned into something way more complicated than I thought it would be. I have a lot of specialty tools just to solve those problems. The shop basically did the swap but screwed something up in the process. So it wasn't like it was way beyond their abilities.
Quite a story, and I imagine unforgettable experience for this BMW owner. From what was to be a straight-forward engine swap, (disassemble, repair, reassemble), the process accumulated many 'introduced' electrical faults by not ascertaining connector orientation and placement in the original configuration. For some time (and some time ago) I repaired videos and CRT televisions, and remember that some of the most difficult and time consuming repairs involved faults that were 'introduced' by a 'do it yourself' customer who has worked on it, and 'given up'... What this job really needed was the thorough and methodical examination of the wiring diagram to the calibre of 'Pine Hollow Diagnostics', which completed the task in the time frame of a YT post...
Good find, Ivan! The vehicle owner is no slouch either I have to say! As far as who pays for what? That's what small claims courts are for! Suing for damages is pretty straightforward.
I remember the first time I changed an engine, at around 18 years old. I knew relatively very little about engine electronics and mechanics then. But, the very first thing I did was grab a roll of masking tape. I put a piece of tape on both sides of every connector, and wrote a number on each one.... It made the whole process less intimidating. I think that engine in my Grand Am was called a Quad Four or a Twin Quad... Something like that.
Look, I suppose if BMW can fit the same connector in 15 different places they will do as a cost cutting exercise. It did not help to have wiring diagrams that conflict with each other. Well done though Ivan, another good diagnostic outcome.
Had a customer buy an engine from our shop (2005 PT Cruiser) and could never get it started. After towing the car back to my shop I found they swapped the cam sensor and some other sensor under the intake. Got it running!
Nice job Ivan. I am an advanced DIYer. I’ve watched all your videos. I own the Autel 906T and just purchased Think Diag Pro. I work on mine and my kids vehicles mostly. My question is regarding the manufacturer acronyms. Is there a site on the web that lists acronyms by manufacturer?
Thanks Ivan! This was really good case study being that I love to try and repair Bmws every now and again. The shop should’ve known to at least take pictures of any components/connectors as a reference to where things went so that reinstallation would go smoothe! They pretty much dropped the ball and should be thankful that they didn’t end up in court over this one! Post some more crazy Bmw vids should you run across anymore! 😎
BMW makes diagnosing and troubleshooting their systems opaque purposely. They don’t want diyers and independent shops competing with them in repairing their vehicles. You have to diligently research even dealerships now days because the experienced techs have aged out of shops and the replacements have no field experience.
@@slimdugger99 Great way to break it down for me! Although they’re complicated I’m gonna continue to do small repairs here and there and do what I can. If anything comes my way to crazy I have Ivan on speed dial lol
The same thing happened to a customer. After the engine swap they crossed the coil on cyl #5 with the map sensor harness and he had a misfire for the longest time until I got the wiring diagram and colors. They both had 3 wires with the same color wires. B/R/YR and B/YR/R
7500k isn’t really much with a decent oil. There’s guys on the BITOG forum running Amsoil out to 20k, even 30k with safe oil analysis in certain engines. That said, on a turbo gdi engine like this BMW N55 I wouldn’t dare, oil is cheap.
I used to race BMWs for about 15 years, so I've done more engine changes than I can count. Changed a few on street cars for friends too. Given their complexity, you don't disconnect a single connector on a BMW without labeling it first. How a shop made a rookie mistake like that is beyond my comprehension. Every swap I ever did started on the very first crank, and I could change the race car engine by myself in 10 hours.
Yep Ivan, the shop should foot the bill, and have foreseen some of the issues that could arise. In a previous business I ran/owned, I would quote a bit higher on something complex, and tell them this is why, and if it takes less time, I will bill you less. They were alway happy it never was more, and sometimes, as promised, I would charge them less.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics When you sit on top, the color matters little, the ride, the sound are paramout and this XS-750 is in a league above the other. . ☺
Mid to late 90's I tracked down a very poor running BMW's prob to the tps or something and Maf connector being swapped after someone worked on it. Same pin count shape and color.
At 18:26 ish you disconnected your test light and the two valves are disconnected so how is there still current flow if the power source your feeding it has been taken away? I apologise in advance if I’m not getting this or I have misheard what you’ve said. But just not quite understanding how that is possible. 🤔
I want to thank Ivan for his incredible help in finding the final issue with my vehicle. To everyone I fully knew the scope of work needling done in swapping the motor. The shop in question did not do any work to the motor regarding the spun rods. The motor was sent to a shop that specialize in rebuilding BMW motors and was fully rebuilt. The shop in hand was ask to just R&R the motor. Remove motor from chassis, remove components and wiring, Send motor to rebuild shop, And to reinstall components to and motor to chassis. I would be paying for such labor at the shops rate. I did not send to shop trying to be cheap. I sent to shop as it was a extended family members shop, and I want to support their small business. So I figured I would let them do the swap as the motor work was being preformed by a very well reputable shop BMW rebuild shop. I asked a million question regarding if they were knowingly and able to preform such work. They said they were fully capable of such task and handle the work. Fast forward from me dropping off a running vehicle to flat bedding it out.
The car ran fine outside the valve tap when I initially dropped it off, and had only two DTC codes referencing to the Vanos solenoids. Fast forward a year. When the motor is swapped. The car would not Start or Crank just the instrument cluster was responsive. When scanning the car for codes I got over 80 DTCs. I ended up having to flat bed the car from the shop as they now said they don't fully understand the BMW's. Upon getting the car back The first main issues was wiring to the main harness hooked up incorrectly. After correcting this issues the car then cranked, However the fuel injectors were not seated correctly and the high pressure fuel rail was not torqued causing gas to flood exterior of 5and6 cylinder. This cause me to have to replace all the ignition coils, Spark plugs, and Injectors in question. Also the Valvetronic was shorted when it received the wrong voltage so that had to be replaced as well. Transmission issues from the shop damaging transmission pan during swap, and a few other issues. I Manage to fix and correct all theses issues. Too be left with one last nightmare that I would have never figured out.
But it was really neat to see Ivan not only fix but located this issues in honestly no time at all. I spend days on it. he spent less then a hour.
What I learned, Always go with your gut. Just because someone has a shop and say they can do a job don't mean they can. Always do you do due diligence even if you know the person for business.
Apologies on the long comment.
Thanks for the detailed write-up, William! Hopefully the BMW will run trouble-free for many more miles :)
That’s awesome! I enjoyed the detective work. Thank you for sharing
A good technician knows his limits. At my shop, there's not much I can't handle. But you know what? I steer clear of European cars. I don't ever get them in, I freely admit I don't have the experience with them, and I don't have the tools required to properly service these cars.
That's honestly FINE with me. In my area, we have a pre-dominance of American and Asian cars. I have SCADS of experience on both, so I feel comfortable taking on those models.
I have never had a client get upset with me by being honest and telling them, I do not have the expertise to service this model. I want to make sure you have a good experience here, and unfortunately, in this case, it means telling you that I am not equipped to service your car, however, I am happy to refer you to someone who I know that does have the expertise, and someone I trust to send you to.
People appreciate up front honesty.
I've kept a 1999 Mercedes Ml320 alive for 207,000 miles and never would have figured out the swapped connector issue as well. Ivan is at times a miracle worker, and makes it look easy in the process. I've learned a great deal from watching his videos. Thanks for sharing your story William, may your BMW run for many hundreds of thousands of miles.
Did you pay the shop full cost
Makes you appreciate Japanese poka-yoke. I worked for a Japanese company and we had to always design so connectors couldn't get confused. Often we used connectors with different pin counts even though we left pins unused just to make sure someone (mostly the factory) couldn't get confused and swap the plugs. In design reviews we always addressed how we had done poka-yoke.
I'm working on my 90s Jeep right now, and I have the dash completely out (ac evaporator and heater core jeep). The only set of connectors that are same are color coded, so you have to be color blind to get this wrong. Now I just have to make sure I get everything I disconnected plugged back in because there is a lot of extra connectors behind the dash for the options I don't have.
The Japanese are a clever bunch. Our quality inspection devices - gauges of various kinds are designed on the concept of poka-yoke so they can't be used incorrectly by the operators.
Very clever, and that explains the empty pins. Thanks
You sir are making mechanics that can’t do anything without a scan tool look like amateurs. Great diagnoses
The scanner is only one piece of the diagnostic puzzle...an essential one. :)
If the shop that did that swap had any pride or ethics they'd just eat it.
They'll live..
I ran an air conditioning and heating company in Houston for 25 years and every once in a blue moon we'd blow it beyond recovery and I would just step up and eat it...
I think there were 4 instances of that over the 25 years.
It sucked and it hurt,, hurt the pride and the wallet,,, but I would eat it..
If somebody thinks your an idiot because you screwed up has never done a damn thing. Personally after over 35 years in the business there's no way I would have took on that ulcer but hey everyone loves a challenge even Ivan.
@@prmayner Agreed
an you got more jobs
sometimes you have to get hungry dealing with Euro Junk
@@Monza62000 It's somewhat fuzzy now but I did save at least 2 customers..
A sign we have in our shop says "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional, just wait until you hire an amateur". This shop clearly got in over their heads and although it hurts, make it right
Great saying!
I followed this guy over from SMA, I'm glad I did, they both do a heck of a job!
same here
same here, they both use common sense and their brains keeps up-to-date and well trained.
Same here, surely having connectors the same (are they not colour matched?) is just asking for trouble. Shop could have marked them during dismantling.
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You live and you learn, it’s called common sense. Stay away from doing business with relatives, a bad business outcome can ruin your family relationship. Only deal with shops that guarantee their work in writing and before proceeding with work check out BBB complaints and comments. In this time of scams and Covid, even taking those precautions won’t guarantee you a satisfactory outcome. When you find a good shop and competent mechanic that tells you the truth and doesn’t gouge you on price, support them and tell your friends and family about them. They will thank you for it.
Marking connectors is a must when doing an engine swap as demonstrated by the multiple wrong connections made. That BMW uses many of the same connectors for multiple sensor and computer applications further complicates the situation . Absolutely OUTSTANDING! case study your patience always amazes me. Bravo !
Thank you Carl!
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Nice job Ivan! All the problems are totally on the shop! Sounds like this was the shop's first BMW swap anyone with half a brain would have turned it away!
I've done engine swaps. I've always captured the before and after codes. Told them these are the current codes. It's up to the owner for me to continue a diag. I tell them my rate. No estimate on $ figure. I don't want to get stuck with a 4 hour diag and I quoted him a low number. If they start arguing. My diag is over. If the code was my cause. Such as a sensor not plugged in. I will owe that up. Only wish I had a pico on my tool list. But crap. I'm getting to old for this. Anyhow. I've learned from Ivan. Mr. O and others.
I used to hate BMW/Mercedes/Audi/Volkswagen….but i’ve made so much money working on them i’m beginning to like them a lot more. I’d just never own one.
My wife bought a new BMW in 2016, absolutely the most unreliable car we've ever owned.
"Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement."
& great job, Ivan, but unfortunately, i don't know why BMW makes things complicated with the same shspes of connector!.but hey, big ups, because your Diagnotics has actually enlighten Me, not to play around with bmw connectors!
any engine swap i do i use good masking tape to label all wires hoses and brackets and write down the order things come off
Pictures
Remember it was there for a year, labels can fall off tangled,markings would fade away etc
@@mikefoehr235 well on BMW pictures won't work really, because most if the connector looks the same, like the valvetronic plugs are the same can reach the other sensor. And some of BMW harness doesn't have a spider web, meaning one plug can't reach a next plug socket like USA and Japanese cars sadly.
Mechanic 1 "we got an extra connector here"
Mechanic 2 Stares at if for 5 seconds. Pushes it out of sight. Exclaims "that's lunch"
The initial code, 3162 and 3157 are the BMW decimal codes...
It does not translate directly to "P" code by just adding a "P" before the numbers...
There is tables online that shows a "translation" or a match if you will, from the decimal code to a "P" code...
Hope that has not been covered later in the video, otherwise this is a pointless comment...
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Now back to the video...
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Thanks for the tip! Question is WHY? haha silly BMW!
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Most systems I believe just report to the scan tool the hex or decimal code...
It is then up to the tool to look on their database and translate that into a "P" code...
Most of tools, on BMW still just show the decimal code...
Some tools, you can select that decimal code, click details, or something similar, (depending on the tool...), and that then shows other details including the "P" code...
Mercedes for example, does the same...
When working on a BMW, you really need to get ISTA (diagnosis scanner with inbuilt wiring diagrams) ISTA is the OEM diagnostics program. I can give you a slightly outdated version free if you like. (of cause you will need a Enet or Dcan cable to connect fra OBD to laptop)
Paying the experienced technician is always cheaper than the cheap mechanic!
Yeah absolutely family or not you need a proper shop with proper people who know how to work on these complicated car's
that's a **mechanic** - won't find many of them at dealers
As a primary Euro tech myself I've seen a lot of screw-ups by other shops who end up bringing it to us to fix.
Sad that shop did such a botched job that it cost this guy probably way more then the cars worth.
I'm sure this owner won't go there again.
Great diagnosis and finding the problem at hand. For future reference, pop that air box off it's super easy. Remove the hose clamp and pulled upward it comes right out just on some rubber holders over plastic pegs. Gives you more room. You can also pull the intake manifold back a good bit to access under neither for starters and what not..
super easy, 11mm on the intake nuts/bolts and Remove intake piping and the wiring retainers.
My comment is everything that all the other people commenting stated. In other words GREAT JOB IVAN !!!!! 👍👍👍👍
I learned the hard way on some of these older cars. I had a neighbor pull into my driveway, didn't really know her but everyone who drives by my house understands 'I fix things'. Her car was making 'some noise', so I figured the polite thing would be to pop the hood and just give it a quick look/listen, provide my solicited opinion. I leaned in and some obscure plastic evap component just crumbled when I touched it. I lost three hours of my life and about $75 between procuring the part and playing parts store hopscotch. The obscure noise was her throw out bearing and clutch were basically toast.
Mmmmm........... Electrical work. My faaavvvvorite. (Rolling eyes)
Solid work Sir!!
Bonus comment, bet they're not "friends" anymore. ALWAYS be nervous about friends and family automotive work. It always seems to get F'ed up. It's very rare I've heard of those situations with a happy ending.
Except friends of Ivans.
To paraphrase H.L. Mencken:
Every problem has a solution that is neat, simple, and incomplete...
Ivan is a great mechanic. I wish he could fix my cars.
The greatest demonstration of a mid amp bulb for diagnosis. When i worked on
AC devices back a while ago, TV, VCR, etc, i had a 300 watt bulb cord with switch setup in series with the load on anything blowing fuses.
I've worked at BMW manufacturing in 2011 so this baby slipped by me on the production line for sure. There's 5300 spot welds in that car. It also has rivets, MIG welds, glue and hand brazing holding it together. I am particularly proud of the sides body panels since that was my section to watch over day in, day out... B-pilar and door braces have armor crash protection.
It is one hell of a fine made car.
Crazy! I agree greatly on quoting more than book time. Everyone often forgets that book time is based of performing the procedure on a brand new car with no miles. Things do not always go as planned.
Yeah especially if you’re third in line and the first two we’re butchers.
I have never seen a motor swap go as planned. There is always something unexpected to deal with.
i all ways when working on a bmw and have to disconnect wire's put a bit of tape with a number on to both side's of the connector save's a lot of time in the end,nice job on finding that 1
I would have eaten the cost of engine swap if I was that shop. Also if I would do a job on a vehicle I am not familiar with, I research the crap out of it first before I would even quote it. Second I learned along time ago label all connectors when I take them apart. Also I baggie all nuts and bolts with labels where they came from. Makes things a lot easier when reassembling.
yeah, and be totally transparent with the customer that this is your first rodeo with this particular car model and for them to expect a bumpy ride, that you'll work with them the best you can, but when it's all said and done, they're going to pay for at least half of your mistakes (or you're just doing it mostly for the experience and to help out a family member).
But in that latter case, that's when you especially have to work methodically and double/triple check everything, take plenty of notes/pictures, etc...
It's called the slow fast way (instead of the fast slow way)
Here is an idea how about labeling all the connectors you are unplugging so you can reinstall them back properly.
90% of shops are not honest or stand behind their work like Ivan would. Every Dealership experience I have had was full of excuses and overcharges, sad since I have zero confidence in any shop now. I wish I lived closer to Ivan!
Just remember folks not all shops have a Mechanic in them... Great work like always IVAN👍👍.
This is the very reason I sent all the Euro customers packing. I was going crazier.
Definitely on the shop, I am a Mechanic at my Stepdad's shop, the first time I dropped an engine out the bottom the craddle stand wasn't setup right...I had the stand rotated 180deg, dropped it to the floor, the shop bought a new oilpan, oil pickup tube, cradle got bent and a couple other items that were mainly just a cya...the customer was sitting in the shop at the time b.s.ing with my stepdad...they both shook their heads laughed and came over to help me get the engine up off the floor. Thank God they both are laid back old timers...all said and done the shop spent $800 on parts and an extra 5hrs labor...I was so pissed about it yet had to suppress it and maintain what little professionalism I had left...I don't even remember why I was dropping the engine in the 1st place...lol good times as a new mech. Now I'm getting into the more deep diag's and finding things learned watching you, Scanner Danner, South Main Auto and the one ford guy that I can never remember the name of...seems to be the only ford guy that comes up with ford in the channel name...I digress! Thank you for all the great video's and thank God my Stepdad stands behind our work. He would have paid you for your time fixing this if it was our mistake!
I have done BMW engine swaps. 6 cylinder even the new turbo N20 4 cylinder engine. They are not that hard to do and get right, But you have to have the right mind set to do them because they get complicated real fast cause of the wiring and connectors.. The shop owner saw dollar signs $$$ and thought his 10 $ per hour guy could do it.. that is where he made his mistake🤣. All of the damages is 100% on the shop owner. If the car drove in and wouldn't start, they damaged the parts, Simple easy, the shop owner is actually responsible for this diag charge and repair as well..
Freaking amazing Ivan! You did it again, victory!
Ivan a very thorough investigation on this issue, great job.
Ivan for the win!!!! He can fix anything.
You fixed that problem. The shop that changed the engines is responsible for their work.
When my Dad had his automotive repair business, a guy came in with a problem in his vehicle. He proceeds to tell my Dad about what this shop and that shop did to the vehicle. My Dad closed the hood and told the guy to take it to someone else! You don't have to take a problem vehicle like that that others have worked on.
When I worked for the L.A. Dept of Water and Power, I saw vehicles like that. Other DWP shops worked on them, then we got the problem! There were several of us in the shop and we helped each other. We got it fixed!
I always liked the trouble shooting end of automotive repairs, the problem with this is the Jobs that come in, is either screwed up by the customer or by friends of friend garage. As book time !!! THROW the book out, that's for factory assembly where everything is new.
Great diagnostic think before action.
... everyting is new --- and the person doing it has done it before
Wow, very interesting to watch. That diagnosis wasn't so trivial. Excellent outcome as always 👍👍👍
Wow Nice Job Dude
Ivan the car whisperer performs his Magic again. The shop should eat the cost of there carelessness
great case study my friend!!!!!! i watched the whole way excited ........ lol
"It spun the rod bearings, apparently that's what happens..."
German engineering!
4 months later... I didn't realize I had commented on this before. The "like button" wasn't pressed, which led me to believe that I hadn't seen it before. Still stand behind my original comment!
I don't want be married to this thing, if only I'd said that 2 marriages ago. Nice work Ivan ! Very entertaining to watch.
I am so glad to see a vehicle that was worth fixing, not a jeep or something with 250,000
miles on it, my Boss spent almost $10,000 putting a new engine in his 750i, and it
still had problems.
In german cars wiring color is important as it corresponds to DIN. Red is always hot. Switching colors at connectors is not a common thing.
Ivan you Certainly make it look Easy! Love the videos & hope to pick up a Fraction of what you Know!
Great video. Definitely the shops fault. Over a year.... that's crazy! Projects like that happen in body shops all the time when cars are in the shop on the back burner for years even though the owner has already paid.
Ivan you are one of the best if not thee best gremlin chaser on the tubes! Your process is really amazing.
That was great ! Super skilled step by step electrical diagnostic procedure ! Incredible instructional skills as well ! Thanks for letting us learn from you !! 🙌🏼
I started watching your TH-cam because my truck is not wanting to stay running. Then I just kept watching your videos to learn more about the wiring and electric side of cars. It'll be nice to learn from your videos seeing how you do an amazing job of braking it down. Just saying thanks for taking your time to make these videos I know I am learning from the right person again thanks.
Love watching your approach to these issues. I’ve been a German tech in the past and having faulty diagrams wasted a lot of time. Shop should eat the repair unfortunately.
Watching you has caused an upgrade in my electrical test equipment, and made my life easier. Thanks. And prevented me from even thinking of modern eurotrash as a DD.
Unfortunately the shop was at fault in this case. But hey shout-out to the owner for doing his home work and "unscrewing some of the screw-ups" to get the car running again🚙💨💨💨
Yes these mills do spin bearings, due to oil starvation usually. Maybe if they had a dipstick...? Or perhaps not a 6k oil change interval? Anyhow, the very few times I do Euros, I use only OE diagrams and code descriptions. Great detective work Ivan! Shops of integrity are tough to find. If the owner decided to take that shop to court, he'd probably win, but at what additional cost?
Lol. 99.9% of car owners today never check their oil anyway, which is why they put the electronic sensors in to begin with. Hell, 1/2 of them probably don't know how to open the hood. I do agree that the oil change intervals are way too optimistic, but I also wonder what people are using. They buy a $50,000 car and then somehow complain when Mobil 1 cost $8/qt.
I am more of a Mercedes diesel guy, but I bought 2002 BMW 5 series and had do an engine swap, that went well and I have been driving for many years. I recently bought 2012 750Xi as a project. It has the notorious 4.4 dual turbo V8. Engine on one cylinder has a bad rod bearing. So need to pull the hopefully I will be able to find a replacement engine. Scarry part is it is a lot more complicated the 5 series. Just will take it one step at a time.
If your shop was anywhere near Louisville, KY, I'm certain where i would take my 4 BMW's for service (4 of 8 vehicles). You're certainly a competent diagnostic technician, that's a big plus, you also get a super + since i can see that you also have a lot of good sense, I see at 21:10 that you do not want 'NO MORE BULLSHIT.' Neither does the vast majority of people in this country, we were scanned..
"It spun the rod bearings, apparently that just happens" cool cool
When are you going to build a 3 bay shop next to your house with a lift?
whenever u pay for it
Sounds like the owner has been to hell and back with that. I'd say the other shop should swallow the cost but will mean completely burning your bridge with them. I swear I've got PTSD from that BMW bong sound 😁
Remember Ivan saying the owner was a BMW enthusiast? Wonder how he is feeling right now about his beloved BMW.
That sound can cause a quick heart skip😂
Ivan the BMW owner is as patient as you! Having a car in the shop for a year would be hair pulling for most people coupled with the original engine swappers getting so much wrong would make most of us want to scream! Hope the engine swapper takes a hit to make up for all their mixups.
Ivan is a master mechanic. Amazing he fixes everything.
The debacle the owner experienced shows a good mechanic is worth their weight in gold. Maybe things are different in the US (I’m from the UK), but unless specifically agreed otherwise, I’d expect them to work on a ‘no fix, no pay’ basis, particularly as they caused damage whilst attempting the work they were contracted to do.
I once diagnosed a friend’s BMW E36 with a crank no-start. He had taken it to a shop for a clutch and it ran fine when he took it in but the shop couldn’t get it to start after replacing the clutch. Every once in awhile it would turn on for a few seconds and run like crap before stalling. There was no spark. The ignition coils were receiving ~8V and tracing the wiring harness back to the connector found it only partially seated. Seating the connecter fixed the problem. My friend had been chasing a potentially bad engine ground for days which I immediately ruled out within a minute of pulling up wiring diagrams.
That was quite a challenge! After 2 bad diagrams, and that much aggravation. It really takes a deep understanding of electrical diagnostics. No way I would have pulled that off, on my own.
Should of called Scotty to remove all that plastic crap!! 🤣🤣
It's a BMW ahhhhh ruuuunnnn! Another great one and great diagnostics. Yep the shop should buy the parts they caused to go bad by not connecting the connectors to the right connector. I also agree on charging more shop time for a job you've never done before, that only makes sense. Thanks for sharing Ivan. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
I agree, the customer gave him an out to not do the job if he’s not confident doing it, also it’s ok for a shop to say I’m not confident doing it because today’s cars are so complicated and need so many special tools can’t expect a shop to be able to do everything. Stick to what they know how to do
You don't know what you don't know until you know it.
I've done a lot of things with cars and trucks that turned into something way more complicated than I thought it would be. I have a lot of specialty tools just to solve those problems. The shop basically did the swap but screwed something up in the process. So it wasn't like it was way beyond their abilities.
Quite a story, and I imagine unforgettable experience for this BMW owner. From what was to be a straight-forward engine swap, (disassemble, repair, reassemble), the process accumulated many 'introduced' electrical faults by not ascertaining connector orientation and placement in the original configuration. For some time (and some time ago) I repaired videos and CRT televisions, and remember that some of the most difficult and time consuming repairs involved faults that were 'introduced' by a 'do it yourself' customer who has worked on it, and 'given up'... What this job really needed was the thorough and methodical examination of the wiring diagram to the calibre of 'Pine Hollow Diagnostics', which completed the task in the time frame of a YT post...
Good find, Ivan! The vehicle owner is no slouch either I have to say! As far as who pays for what? That's what small claims courts are for! Suing for damages is pretty straightforward.
BMW engine swaps are actually very easy. Ive done several in 1 day. Never more than 2 days. I cant imagine why they had such a hard time.
I remember the first time I changed an engine, at around 18 years old. I knew relatively very little about engine electronics and mechanics then. But, the very first thing I did was grab a roll of masking tape. I put a piece of tape on both sides of every connector, and wrote a number on each one.... It made the whole process less intimidating. I think that engine in my Grand Am was called a Quad Four or a Twin Quad... Something like that.
Nice detective work Ivan.
Remember the Twilight Zone? This is the automotive version of it! Nice work Ivan.
Amazing as always Ivan
Look, I suppose if BMW can fit the same connector in 15 different places they will do as a cost cutting exercise. It did not help to have wiring diagrams that conflict with each other. Well done though Ivan, another good diagnostic outcome.
Had a customer buy an engine from our shop (2005 PT Cruiser) and could never get it started. After towing the car back to my shop I found they swapped the cam sensor and some other sensor under the intake. Got it running!
Nice job Ivan. I am an advanced DIYer. I’ve watched all your videos. I own the Autel 906T and just purchased Think Diag Pro. I work on mine and my kids vehicles mostly. My question is regarding the manufacturer acronyms. Is there a site on the web that lists acronyms by manufacturer?
Check out the short to ground backwards with a diode test on the cabling .
How?
Thanks Ivan! This was really good case study being that I love to try and repair Bmws every now and again. The shop should’ve known to at least take pictures of any components/connectors as a reference to where things went so that reinstallation would go smoothe! They pretty much dropped the ball and should be thankful that they didn’t end up in court over this one! Post some more crazy Bmw vids should you run across anymore! 😎
haha yeah Greg, every BMW is a learning experience for sure!
BMW makes diagnosing and troubleshooting their systems opaque purposely. They don’t want diyers and independent shops competing with them in repairing their vehicles. You have to diligently research even dealerships now days because the experienced techs have aged out of shops and the replacements have no field experience.
@@slimdugger99 Great way to break it down for me! Although they’re complicated I’m gonna continue to do small repairs here and there and do what I can. If anything comes my way to crazy I have Ivan on speed dial lol
The same thing happened to a customer.
After the engine swap they crossed the coil on cyl #5 with the map sensor harness and he had a misfire for the longest time until I got the wiring diagram and colors.
They both had 3 wires with the same color wires.
B/R/YR and B/YR/R
once again, Ivan is amazing!
You are great at what you do.... Love these videos....
Ivan. Another great diag and fix, NPR. :-) You, sir, are untouchable. I'll be following you for more adventures.
Could those 15k mile oil changes have anyting to do with that engine swap????? 7500k is the max to run any oil for.
Yes definitely especially if he doesn't drive much and used cheap oil
7500k isn’t really much with a decent oil. There’s guys on the BITOG forum running Amsoil out to 20k, even 30k with safe oil analysis in certain engines. That said, on a turbo gdi engine like this BMW N55 I wouldn’t dare, oil is cheap.
@@zeroyon4562 Yah with good oil 20k is ok if you do long drives and is recommended by the manufacturer .
I used to race BMWs for about 15 years, so I've done more engine changes than I can count. Changed a few on street cars for friends too. Given their complexity, you don't disconnect a single connector on a BMW without labeling it first. How a shop made a rookie mistake like that is beyond my comprehension. Every swap I ever did started on the very first crank, and I could change the race car engine by myself in 10 hours.
excellent troubleshooting as usual
I learn the hard way to mark connectors especially on euro makes good video
Labelling the connections would have saved all these problems, nice work.
Excellent presentation and diagnosis as always
Geez , all those problems the owner is exceeding the value of the car worth . He must really love that car !
Yep Ivan, the shop should foot the bill, and have foreseen some of the issues that could arise. In a previous business I ran/owned, I would quote a bit higher on something complex, and tell them this is why, and if it takes less time, I will bill you less. They were alway happy it never was more, and sometimes, as promised, I would charge them less.
I just love your old XS-750 f, , the color. . is sooo nice
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Thank you! My wife thinks that the color is ugly but I think the maroon with gold stripes is handsome 😎
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics When you sit on top, the color matters little, the ride, the sound are paramout and this XS-750 is in a league above the other. . ☺
I think you have graduated to magician status. Unbelievable!
My thoughts? Steer well clear of BMW or any European car.
Extraordinarily interesting. Awesome diagnosis. I wonder how many mechanics could even figure this out??? Great work man.
Love to see the way you find the problems and best of all fix them !
Mid to late 90's I tracked down a very poor running BMW's prob to the tps or something and Maf connector being swapped after someone worked on it. Same pin count shape and color.
At 18:26 ish you disconnected your test light and the two valves are disconnected so how is there still current flow if the power source your feeding it has been taken away?
I apologise in advance if I’m not getting this or I have misheard what you’ve said. But just not quite understanding how that is possible. 🤔