To clear up some confusion: I reached out to a lot of different people while making this video. One of these people was Ray Mona, we talked for a bit back in October. I've seen some people accuse me of never reaching out to her, that's not true. Edit 2/16/2024 12:58 PM EST: I've been seeing people asking for proof for this. Here it is. imgur.com/a/JtiIfGh
Then why didn't you include such a pivotal detail in the video? The lack of a mention of Raven at every moment of the video when you stressed you spoke to Alax and Scott seems to indicate that you DIDN'T talk to her. You deliberately left this piece of information out because you knew you would receive backlash and hoped no one would notice. I'll believe you when I see the receipts - and even so, those could very well not be true. I'd need actual confirmation from Raven herself to believe you - which I won't do, as I actually care about her feelings and wouldn't want to unearth her trauma from nearly five years ago (much less through making a video milking off of it, besides lowkey siding with her abuser). Your content is gross and you should just own up to it like myriads of other shameless and dishonest drama channels.
I'm not necessarily trying to accuse you of being a shameless drama farm - I really do think there was a lot of great research and commentary in this video and it was mostly handled with tact and respect where it was due - but the complete absence of any real coverage of your correspondence with Ray, other than vague comments saying "trust me guys it happened" with no further elaboration, is... fishy in some sort of way. It seems like you are deliberately dancing around any real disclosure of what was exchanged between you and Ray, and that's blatantly inconsistent with how you treated the communications you had with everyone else, which are put up on full display and narrated line-by-line. I'm sure there is a reason, and I don't have enough info to make any assumptions about what that reason might be, but it is something people are noticing.
I don't know what to think about Alax overall. But kinda the biggest shock to me in the video was that absolutely psychotic parasocial mod on his patreon. Lunatic.
just another case of a bitter people coming out of a bad relationship. Nothing that needed to be public and I really wish Twitter accusers would drop the 'sassy' act and realise there's a time and a place
Thank you for making this. Been watching Alax for years but this was a difficult situation to follow. This was really well put together (honestly, moreso than some of your other stuff, I think you are improving!) and I appreciate your unbiased but objective tone. Keep making stuff !!
Did he tho? I didn't see any statement from Raven and he didn't mention getting her approval. Scott himself said twice that Raven should approve of this project so...
He didn't, though? I already left another comment saying this, but I might as well say it here again. To introduce yourself as this pacifist neutral party, claiming this video exists to merely "document and summarize a story involving serious allegations of a major content creator" - only to exclusively contact the alleged abuser and Scott whilst leaving Raven, the ACTUAL alleged victim in question, out of the conversation... it's not just profoundly disingenuous, it's disgusting. In fact, besides mostly focusing on Alax's side of the situation, he straight up ignored one of the BIGGEST items of the case - Raven's multiple page document laying out EVERYTHING from her perspective. I understand why it wouldn't be best to take a side when attempting to gather all evidence for such a complex case - but if this person was actually interested in doing so, he would have AT LEAST done the bare minimum and presented all the evidence from both sides. Instead, he wanted to gain leverage against other people who might've attempted to do so by acquiring new "evidence". He knew Raven would never be in favor of this, so he instead exclusively relied on the other side and a neutral party, even despite the latter warning him against this twice. He carelessly reopened a wound which had been left untouched for a while, walking all over the victim and, once again, propelling the voice of the abuser. He says he's not "super confident in taking a stance on who is innocent and who is guilty". I say he's a coward and a wolf in sheep's clothing. He could've made his thoughts clear (at least then I could've known he was an as*hole and clicked off right away) - but instead, his biases were ironically denounced by his own lack of commitment to this pacifist front he so attempted to present. It would be funny if it wasn't so gross.
Okay so I'm NOT crazy!!! At some point I saw a RelaxAlax video on my page and clicked on it before reading the name and thinking "oh wait, didn't something bad happen with him?" but I couldn't find ANYTHING in my (admittedly very limited) search attempts.
@@sa-mp5iwhe didn’t say SA is statistically likely, he said (due to statics and personal experiences) that assault victims don’t often lie about being assaulted
It’s been years since I loved to watch RelaxAlax, so when the allegations began I sort of shriveled up and ignored everything. I sort of knew that there was a conflict in understanding between Alex and Ray, but I didn’t know of anything conclusively. I still didn’t watch his videos after that, but there were other reasons on top of the uncertainty of the controversy. It’s good to finally see a bit more of the truth of what happened and the sides that portray it. But the part I didn’t expect was Scott… I think removing Alex from Borderline Forever was a good business choice. Morally, that’s up in the air, though I’d say that Scott was in a tough position regardless. After reading how Alex still thought of Scott as a friend though, a piece of my humanity felt a tiny tear within it. Hearing Scott’s lengthy and well thought out response for this video was one of the most crushing things I think I’ve ever read. Just imagining someone hear the echoes of their friend’s words demonstratively and conclusively denying their friendship- I don’t think I’ve ever felt a bond’s severance that severe before. It was a bit soul crushing for me just imagining someone else finding this out through a video from a third party- that hurts so bad that I felt it from here. I am not condemning anyone as a liar, nor am I saying I believe of someone else’s innocence. I can only say that through the shared experience of humanity, I felt something through Scott’s words, and it led me to shed a few tears over broken bonds and unmendable relationships. And if it hurts me, someone who is even far removed from being considered a third party, I can only imagine the pain that besets those actually involved.
Yeah I agree as a business standard sure it makes sense but I feel iffy about it morally since Alax still considered him a friend and was following him when he was barely starting off! Sucks to hear Scott deny that about Alax and him being friends in that part tbh.
i hate this trend of taking serious topics to the internet as "drama" instead of dealing with it offline and taking legal action. it sucks how easily people believe these kinds of accusations too. "believe the victim no matter what" has literally ruined countless lives. no you shouldn't blindly believe someone when they brought up no tangible proof.
@lambsauce5312 of course bro, all parties are innocent until proven guilty, and i always listen to both sides before coming to any conclusions or jumping the gun, which is something that people normally don't do. I'm not accusing the "supposed" victim of anything horrible, not saying theyre for sure liars 100% of the time, i just don't fully buy what they're saying, especially when they provide no proof, and instead wait for the other party's response. What happens is that anyone can come forward with allegations of any kind against anyone and be 100% supported and believed as if this was the certain truth, before the other side even responds to the allegations against them, and people instead resort to attacking the accused party almost immediately upon hearing about the accusations. This is serious shit, false accusations ruin lives. and frankly, watching people flip and change between sides is exhausting. "Believe all victims no matter what regardless if they provide any substantial proof" is harmful, we should Give all parties the benefit of the doubt and wait for solid proof before coming to any conclusions
yeah well in these commuities being a woman and 'trans' is all the proof people need. Cus they feel like women are on the bottom so we always have to defend them no matter how weak the allegations
The way Scott handled the Borderline Forever controversy was acceptable. It's a tragic situation with no winners, and I'm afraid it will remain so forever (at least publicly) Very sad
I don't really care for internet drama. I don't care how serious the situation is. All it is is grabbing something be it SA or whatever and turning it into a playground fight. Why can't people just settle this stuff in private or in court. Why keep makin a show out of it.
At the end of the day I think ALL of this could’ve been dealt with offline away from the cameras. The fact that fans were even involved in the first place was weird as hell. I’d hate being a content creator if my relationships constantly on blast
This video is a really good source of unbiased information that to me (a relaxalex fan fan who kinda immediatly supported him) proves that this case is not very clear but i'm a little confused on if you tried to reach out to ray mona or not
@@MichaelAlberto Sure you did lmao. (And even if you really did, what a disgusting thing to do to reopen that wound for her just for the sake of having "new evidence").
@@20000dino I’ve never seen a R/SA victim be upset that their case has been brought to light and investigated. Usually they want that light put on their abuser. Weird that she wouldn’t want people to talk about it.
Im inclined to think that anything posted on twitter first is probably bullshit. Take it to court. Stop trying to get 15 year old and 20 somethings to be your judge, jury and executioners
the came to a conclusion because this is a lefty stan everything is offensive, believe all women f-men community, alax kinda should've known that you don't make a community like that if you wanna avoid being one-sided in controversy.
Yeah you think there would be an easy way of telling that....like a look into a bank statement, a receipt, or you know literally anyone from this party coming out as a witness.
Thank you for your time and effort creating this- I have had little luck finding any new information in the years following the situation. Your reporting on this is much appreciated
Bringing Scott into this is unnecessary and considering the part with him is one minute yet he’s as much of the thumbnail as Ray is pretty telling why you even brought him up
what's unnessessary if scott didn't wanna be involved he could've just ignored michael. Yeah the thumbnail is clickbait you new to youtube or something?
what happened with alax sucked but i am glad he was able to bounce back he seems like he truely has moved on and bettered himself as a person and thats all i cold really ask for as someone that watches him still
This is my big takeaway from all of this. Ray: She wasn't raped at all. She just threw a tantrum and blackmailed Alex just for a dumb painting that doesn't belong to her anymore. Every single screenshot Alex shares clearly shows that she is not traumatized or affected at all. She's being manipulative and hostile and just wants to threat Alex and his reputation if he doesn't do what she demands. Also, someone who was sexually abused and was psychologically affected would NEVER hold their ex so dearly during their breakup. She truly seems affected by them breaking up, she even says she'll have a hard time getting over him or not thinking about him while being with someone else. She was incredibly lovey dovey about it, and her dialogue is so clear and sincere it's hard to believe he's some sort of gaslit victim. Also, notice how instead of giving Alex some decent counterarguments after his video, her only response was to mock his "fake lawsuit" and that's it. Alex: A narcissistic, manipulative douche who has little to no grasp on what a co-operative relationship is. He barely tolerated his ex's bad behaviour (to a degree, understandably so), but to the point he starts talking shit about her to his friends. Or even worse, making her feel inferior. Is that worth cancelling someone for? nah, not really. Dude needs therapy, or maybe he's not built for relationships. He should just stick to comedy. Scott: He 100% believes Alex. I'm not buying his response. He's afraid of bad PR and sadly, this is not a matter of him "growing up and learning" but rather getting good lawyers who told him to always publicly state that he believes in the victim, no matter the odds. That sadly makes him a bit of a shitty friend, but that's show business. He did the "professional" thing to do. Bottom line: of course the allegations were forgotten. There's nothing to cover here. This was a stupid, childish couple's fight that Ray decided to make public for a stupid painting. That's also probably the reason why this video doesn't have that many views. The investigations are decent... but it really snowballs into nothing.
Let me preface this by saying I think you're bringing up some very good points, and I generally agree that this was not really drama-worthy and should've been handled in private. But here are some things I'd like to point out: 1. It's not safe to assume the emotions and the mental state of involved parties when you weren't there. You mentioned Ray was clearly "not traumatized or affected at all" and "incredibly lovey dovey about" the relationship, but it is dangerous to assume that, since you are not her. I get where you're coming from, but we don't know what and how other people feel, so we have to be careful not to speculate too much based on their words alone. 2. Consent when drunk is not consent, that much is true. So by definition it was rape. Alex was irresponsible for not respecting the boundaries even if they were dating, and blaming Ray for being mad over it is not rational imo. 3. No matter how Ray responded, Alex would've had the high ground anyways because of his huge following online. The way Ray handled the situation was not ideal, but it shouldn't be held against her, at least not that much. Both Alex and Ray dealt this drama extremely poorly, but that doesn't really affect what actually transpired. To reiterate, I agree Ray should not have made this public. But to say the reason this drama went out of control is because of Ray's choice to make this public, is kinda undermining the fact that she was indeed forced into intercourse without proper consent, and that Alex was legitimately being a manipulative partner, just like you pointed out as well. We all make mistakes, especially when we're angry and/or sad... So although I completely agree this could've been handled better in private, I just wanted to point these out to prevent the victim-blaming narrative (not that you were deliberately victim-blaming, but moreso that some of your points might lead to it), and that might be dangerous for similar but more serious situations in the future.
@@luckynumber7dude612 Fair point, but usually when drunk the woman is the one to be taken advantage of, and the positions they tried were Alex's suggestions according to both of them, and I believe even Alex said he was more sober than Ray at the time. But yeah, you have a point. And drunk sex is such a grey area. But it still doesn't change the fact it was a rape-y situation and Ray was in the right to be angry. It also doesn't change the fact she didn't need to make it public.
I’ve been watching RelaxAlax ever since his early know your moves episodes and I never heard about this until now. I’m glad you are bringing these allegations to light, these should be known by his audience.
Honestly I disagree. This situation should’ve stayed private and the fans or the public doesn’t need to hear this. Take this up to court or legal status and that’s it. Doesn’t have to blow up on the internet
@@3dsfan2002 Ok. Normally I don’t say this lightly, but the fact that you’re putting something so small over the issue that he could potentially be a sexual abuser is kind of stupid not gonna lie man.
Nice work reaching out to all parties involved. Sure, we’re left mostly up to speculation for a lot of things but that amount of research is definitely commendable. Keep it up💪💪💪
The lack of any statement from Ray or mention that you talked to her in the video is so bizarre given that Scott requested it multiple times in his own statement you shared.
stans of her will just pretend he didn't include her response cus it's so short uh no she just told him to kindly f off after a very brief explaination
@@iTotofogook you're not a stan but you couldn't watch near the end of the video to realize that he literally showed her statement and how she didn't want to talk about it more then that one message?
If there's no police report it's not too big of an issue. Cancelling someone on the basis of some screenshots (that could be faked) and someone's story isn't nearly enough to brand someone guilty
thanks for covering this, i had no idea any of this happened and i'm a fan of alax's videos. it's definitely complicated and we'll never know the truth, but from an outsider's perspective it looks like Ray had some pretty toxic behaviours in the relationship probably due to abandonment issues. (ie. constantly accusing partner of being unfaithful, although as a gay person, seems like alot of straight couples deal with this shit lmao) but i do believe her when she said she didn't remember the sex and cried the next morning when she realized she didn't remember anything. that shit is scary. I'm not an SA survivor so I hope i dont say anything out of line, but I believe when it comes to alcohol consumption and being partners and all that the waters get a bit murky. couples have drunk sex all the time, I think it's up to the individuals whether they feel like they consented or not. Alax's statement doesn't sit right with me because instead of aknowledging her feelings about the situation he basically just comes at it from the assumption that she's just lying and only exposing him to get her painting back. That very well could be true but I think the safer option is to just apologize. being blackout can be fuckin scary man just say sorry. Also when he goes over the sequence of events of the incident, he leaves out the part where she said Alax told her of the sexual acts they did and Ray got emotional saying she blacked out. Which makes me a bit suspicious that he's trying to avoid any accountability. hopefully this all made sense, I see more people in the comments bashing Ray and I do think she deserves criticism but I also think Alax's response was in bad faith and he should've at least taken SOME accountability. not calling Alax a r*pist btw it's not that simple. TLDR Alax is probably not a r*pist but should have taken more accountability, Ray was a toxic partner but also a human being who (maybe) deserved a lil more empathy from her former partner. I think both parties need to do a lil more self reflection. i mean it's been like 5 years so i'll assume they have :P
I just think both parties were in the wrong/ handled the situation in poor taste. Alax could’ve handled it better and maybe try and support her in situations earlier on but also all the criticism of Ray is valid as well
Scott's response kind of rubs me the wrong way ngl, He says that he doesn't know if Alex is guilty or not, Yet still treats him like he is. It's one thing to recognize that he jumped the gun by defending him before any of the evidence was officially revealed, But it's another to immediately switch viewpoints because "Statistically most people don't lie". Where were you during the Slazo situation, Scott? As for my take,, It just seems like Alex and Ray had an unstable relationship. Between the two I'm willing to side with Alex more but both testimonies have holes in them, And I don't think we'll ever get a conclusive answer as to what really happened. Scott can chose to not associate with Alex as he pleases but his response was not it.
@@JamesRichards-zk2hl I'm not really criticizing his decision to remove Alex from the Borderland Fever video as much as I am his response that he gave to Michael directly. That's what rubs me the wrong way since he says ignorant shit like "Statistically most people don't lie" when there's a ton of instances that prove otherwise. If it just stopped at "I don't know if he's guilty" then that'd be whatever. But he took a step further and that's what I don't like.
@@PuddleOfPizza there's a high likelihood that Scott was given a particular stance by a lawyer (or some other external authority telling him how to PR), because that stance is the safest for him to hold in the situation. Not necessarily the right one, or the one Scott really believes, but the safest one for the sake of his own public image. That shit matters when you're on a stage as big as Scott. I agree something felt kinda off about it, but my initial read was just "Scott might not be very familiar with the situation and picked the safest way out to avoid any further negative consequences to himself or his channel". Maybe a little selfish, but not necessarily mean-spirited - it's a messy situation and it's totally within his right to stay the hell away from it.
Scott's response made me kind of mad, not because of his opinion on the issue, but rather because it feels like he asked his lawyer to write it for him. Even though he admits he once believed Alex and claims there might be some nuance, you can clearly see he still included things in it to avoid backlash. A very safe corporate-like response. And therefore, very non-human too
That's a shame the lawsuit never happened, because I still think that's the only way this could've actually been resolved. Even with all of the new info in this video i didn't know, I still don't think it's easy to to decide which side is in the right here. I remember seeing a 3rd party on each side basically bully the opposition publicly when this was a hot topic, which made both sides look very bad. I remember the one defending Ray in particular writing an insane twitlonger with unverified info and it spread around Twitter quickly that day. But the one defending Alax took everything like a personal attack, as if he was a family member or something (I think it's probably the guy you mention in the video?) Regardless, I was a fan of them both before, but I simply can't with either of them anymore. Just not people I would want to associate with, especially since I'm perhaps disturbed most with the cult-like behavior in Alax's Discord. Also after reading the comment section I gotta say it is far more disturbing than anything in this video, just apologists on both sides as far as the eye can see with both making insane leaps and claiming things that the video showed truly aren't true
Yes! His Patreon discord is a cult. Even back in 2017 they acted like he was Jesus Christ himself. He banned me because I was occasionally posting that I was sad, when I was in an all time low in my life, and when I tried to re-join he basically said "I don't care if you stay subbed on Patreon, but you're not allowed back in".
@@RandomAnimeGamer He doesn't seem to have an active presence anywhere now from what I can tell, even rarely making videos. And with dead social media, dead subreddit, etc maybe the creepy Discord is all that's left. It also looks like Alex is doing game design now and Ray is doing lost media, so both have certainly changed focus than when I was watching them.
@@gligarguy4010 I hope Alax is a victim of game dev layoffs if he's doing that tbh. Dude made my depression and suicidal thoughts worse just because occasional comments made him uncomfortable
@@RandomAnimeGamer Holy shit is this true? If so why the fuck would you just kick someone off over comments of your feelings. I feel like you should have a safe space and create that community and try and boast each other up. I know that some people feel better after watching there favorite TH-camr but if this actually happened that’s fucking scummy as hell and the worse part is that he says “you can’t come back but you can still be subscribed to the patreon! Sorry not sorry!” I’m really sorry if this actually happened
Yeah it’s fucking scary bro that some of these TH-camr having cult minded individuals. I wouldn’t be surprised if these discord members are posting him as Jesus and actually I think remember people doing just that some time ago. I’m a casual fan of his but I’d never see him in that light. That’s just too silly
Some people in the comments still find issue of lack of rays response which is sorta true I do admit. But he later posted it in the comments so I guess it’s alright lol
honestly. the whole thing that set me off was not only the timing of when it happend. but the sheer aggressive behaviour she showcased on twitter. lashing out against everyone that was not 100% on her side going from insulting people to massblocking others. this just seems like a mess. stories changing on both parties, way too much time passing for memories to be accurat. sounds like a toxic relationship on both parties and a bad breakup to me. legit at this point just go to court.
this is why people dont want to get into relationships anymore, woman will break up with you then claim you abused them based on nothing, its just not worth it
This has nothing to do with the video itself, but I find it incredibly frustrating that you refuse to elaborate about Ray’s involvement in this video. You say you spoke with her, you have shown proof that you did. Okay, but then why are there zero details about what she actually said. Even if she didn’t want to be involved or have a statement in the video, you should absolutely have been able to share whether or not she was comfortable with this video being made. Because that’s the point, reaching out to Ray is not just a box to check. The entire reason to reach out to her is to see if she’s okay with it, and if you can’t obtain that consent then I don’t see how you have any right to make this video. It’s not binary, it’s not just about reaching out. It’s about how she actually felt about this video’s creation. You responding under every comment asking about this with a single sentence response “I reached out to her” is so obviously suspicious. If you could have elaborated in a way that showcased her giving permission for this video, then you would have. Instead you use the fact that you spoke with her alone as justification for shutting up anyone who is asking about what that conversation actually entailed.
I think both parties involved are not the greatest people. There's a few inconsistencies that make me curious. But hell i wasnt there and to be honest people should deal with their shit offline i think it becomes highly toxic to vent to strangers on the Internet. I understand the idea of outting and canceling especially if they are a universally a bad person. But then again im not the judge nor the jury as Scott said. In fact i completely understand his take. Its a volatile situation and hey if Ray wasn't comfortable with it id probably take it out. Especially after Alax begged to be put in. Idk it sounds like no one won at the end.
Fact be known: Cutie Pi got no real repercussions for her crime, but others that were actually innocent. Got their name dragged through the mud like Zero. Cutie Pi currently goes under a new name on Twitch , and got a bigger audience, because of her actions.
@@LezSpringfield Most friends dont have rape allegations that could destroy your liveliehood if you defend them and end up being wrong, which happens a lot. Guaranteed, everyone shitting on scott would have done the same thing he did in the same situation. And if you say you wouldn't you're just a liar. 🤷♂️
Dislike button is right there or click the 3 dots next to the video when it's in your recommended feed and select "I'm not interested in this" or something like that
I don’t want to excuse anyone’s actions but clearly we need to handle this a different way, banishing people doesn’t help the sociatal issue. It sucks but people deserve another chance after some point to prove they’ve changed. If a second wave of recent allegations comes out that’s something else but it seems this generation was not taught how to emotionally engage with women and that comes with a ton of growing pains
I know you reached out to Ray, but did you actually get her blessing to make the video like Scott mentioned? it feels wrong to make a video like this years after a situation and only include the claims from one side even if they're the only person who responded. If Ray didn't respond, this video shouldn't have been made.
This whole situation seems hella stilted on both sides. Like Alax probably did something wrong but everything she says comes off very untrustworthy and vague. And being inspired by Heidi is not a good thing. If I were even close to the situation I’d just want nothing to do with either of them
I saw a lot of Alax's abusive actions unfold in his Patreon discord during college in 2017. He consistently gaslit people in the discord, and banned me for being depressed at the time. Imagine banning someone on your patreon-only discord just because you feel their occasional negative feelings were "bringing down the vibe".
@@interrobangings Reading is very hard for you if you think depression immediately means "posting about committing vertical tortilla chip". Sorry you didn't pass third grade Also funny you liked your own comment to make it seem like someone agreed. That's more sad than your inability to read
@@RandomAnimeGamer Liking my own comment helps boost the video to the algorithm, dingus. And don't start, kid, I've got three attempts under my belt, stop expecting internet strangers to play therapist for you. You LEGITIMATELY ARE bringing everyone else down and making them uncomfortable. I don't expect much from zoomers, but jesus christ, get over yourself.
@@interrobangings I never expected Internet strangers to play therapist, I was expressing I was sad and that's it. Also I'm a millennial, not a zoomer. Your assumptions are entirely your own lack of reading skills showing. Again, sorry you didn't graduate third grade
@@RandomAnimeGamer >equating depression to Just Being Sad who's misunderstanding depression, again? "I'M A MILLENNIAL" you were born after 9/11, cut the crap Also be less smug, assumptions have nothing to do with reading ability, honey. They have quite literally nothing to do with each other. College in 2017 and your YT account age spell it out very easily.
This video was fine but i still find it strange you never actually got any sort of statement from Ray Mona. Surely if you actually reached out to her, she'd get the same opportunity of a viewable statement to share like Alex & Scott got?
@@MichaelAlberto Why didn't you mention it in the video then? You could've at least said "I spoke to Raven and she didn't want to be involved in this video," or "I spoke to Raven and she approved this video." depending on the situation. Without that, this feels like a very dishonest video, and a poorly conceived one. I'm making an assumption here, but the only reason I can think of for you not to mention your conversation with Raven at all in your video (or what she actually said here in the comments) is if she didn't want to give a public statement, or didn't want participate in this video. Either of those reasons are good enough to have stopped. Making. The video. This is sensitive stuff, dude, and you risk a lot by making a video like this. You can reignite past traumas, change people's perceptions. You didn't make it obvious that you talked to Raven, and what's worse, you didn't even bother covering her allegations. Whether you intended to or not, this is silencing her, because you went and did include statements from the alleged abuser and someone else. Maybe this was an honest mistake, I'm not going to assume the worst about your character. But it was definitely a mistake, and I sincerely suggest that you take this video down.
Not sure if this counts, but I remember during the hype of Doki Doki Literature Club, I think one of or few his fans were harassing artists that drew them because of not drawing Alax's favorite girl in that game.
Imma be real, Scott didn’t owe Raymona an apology in my opinion. I know SA is a serious matter but how was Scott supposed to figure who was right or wrong. It was a “he said she said” case from his POV.
This probably explains why Scott the Woz unfollowed RelaxAlax on twitter, I remember hearing about it on one of his recent streams and he brushed it off.
while I think Ray believes she was SA, the evidence points otherwise and so I trust Alax. as for the Scott situation, Alax has every right to be mad, but Scott was trying to do the morally right thing and he did what he thought was right.
Scott was in a lose-lose situation. He either removed the clip of Alax, implicitly agreeing with the accusations and being forced to give his piece. Or He kept the clip of Alax, on a video he was profiting off of, and crossed fingers Alax is innocent and he's not profiting off an abuser. Removing the clip was the right, and mature choice. Hus statement on an abuse victim "likely telling the truth" was perhaps a but too accusatorial, but he HAD to give a reason for removing the clip. It was a difficult situation that, of course, could have been touched on differently in hindsight. But realistically, I don't think anyone would know the right thing to say in that moment.
40:15 yes, in your PERSONAL life people don't lie (usually) about SA because 1) you're in direct contact with the people you're accusing 2) in the moment it's hard to convince other people in the room and things can get heated fast 3) the consequences WILL catch up to you fast on the internet it's not only easier, the intire world gets to see your accusation while the accused might not even know you posted anything and because EVERYONE can see your post the accused WILL get attacked over it if you're a victim and you post your story, you absolutely have to be as transparent as possible because the internet has many frauds everywhere and the more legally usable evidence you give the more people will be convinced, being purposefully vague and CHANGING your narrative only makes YOU the villain saying what happens in your PERSONAL live absolutely does not compare to internet drama. The social rules are completely different
Is there a way to dissociate the content and it's creator? Am I able to enjoy the content while holding the creator accountable? Am I able to cringe and appreciate the whistle blower? What about the reposters? This is killing the buzz on my overall experience. I guess this is a part of the new age of content consumption. I feel faint.
Clearly, if a women being drunk and having sex is her being sexually assaulted, then him being drunk and having sex is being sexual assaulted too. If having drunk sex isnt SA, then it wasnt SA. There are no allegations of sexual assault, every other statement of people being shitty are just people being shitty. The worst thing that happened in this story, and the only thing approaching a crime, is the slander and libel committed against Alex. I hope everyone remembers Scott's statement on Alex, no one should back him over any allegations.
@@3dsfan2002 yea fair, but even then is it this bad that he has to be accused of allegations cause he didn’t enjoy what he calls a blander era of Mario?
I don't agree with STW's response, but I do see where he is coming from, and you just don't get it. You see, let's examplify: imagine you make a video and on that video, you feature two people that are in bad terms. You, of course, had no idea until much later. Then, upon researching about it, you find that the girl is accusing the other guy of SA (sure, without proof). What would you do? Sure you'll say innocent until proven guilty, right?? But there's a catch.. It's a 50/50 situation. She is accusing another of SA with no proof. In a stance like this, the guy could either be innocent or guilty, and, of course, if the latter were to be true, how would that girl feel? Like Scott said, it'd be a slap to the face to her (to the girl in this hypothetical scenario). I think what he did was indeed quite mature, he just did what was right to him at the time and space in which it occured. He did say he does NOT know whether Alax is guilty or not, but if the former were to turn out to be true, then it wouldn't be right to have him featured on a video where his ex also appears, so he deleted his (Alax's) scene upon that possibility. This isn't the same as Game Grumps or Jirard who'd be the first ones to call you out on accusations and delete your contributions just to save their skin from the fire (as they have done in the past with Jontron and ProJared respectively). While I don't agree with Scott, I see where he is coming from and it's genuine.
No offense, but if someone literally tells you they lack empathy and can't feel love, and its not a joke, that's on you for deciding to stay with them after they tell you. And you are partially at fault for anything that happens after that point. That doesnt justify his actions at all, and its not blaming Ray. But people need to take accountability for their actions based on the information they have. And a sidenote is its funny that she said Alax said he is basically a sociopathic guy, because it does come across in his videos a little bit so that part makes sense to me.
I just have to say that you can lack empathy towards someone and still not treat them like shit. Just ask PETA or thatveganteacher about how having an overabundance of empathy has led to their mistreatment of humans. If someone you're dating broaches the subject with you then it will be about things like that sad movie didnt affect me or I dont get why you're upset bc your abusive parent got hurt. It does NOT mean they're more likely to rape you. Thats just wrong on so many levels.
@@doodbro931 listen dude, those two options were given as displays of over-empathetic things that cause waaaaay more harm than people who lack empathy. Your opinion that someone has the trust in you to bring up how their brain and emotions work in a relationship as a sign that they're a sociopath is weird and damaging to everyone who doesn't emote as well as you want them to. My bf and my best friend (two different people) both have incredibly low empathy and yet neither of them would just blatantly commit a heinous crime like you suggested. And yes saying that Alex has low empathy so Ray shoulda expected that to happen is indeed saying tjat you think Alex having low empathy makes him a rapist. Its insane logic, it doesnt make sense.
Uh, are you forgetting it's also on that apathetic loveless person for getting in a relationship as well? If they knew they lack empathy and love, why did they lead someone on and get with them? If they found out during the relationship, why not break it off? Why is either party letting a fake connection continue?
@xobunnyfangsxo that's why i said "partially" the normal persons fault. I didn't say it's not the sociopaths fault, that's crazy to say. That's why you read things before you respond.
Heres why i think Ray isnt completely the victim and completely innocent in this situation, if you were undeniably an innocent victim in something as serious as SA, you would take it to court. You wouldn't take to the internet and make a big public deal about it, especially if it was something as serious and personal as SA. To me it reads as, something shitty happened, but both were to blame to some degree, which is why this is being dealt with publicly online instead of privately in court. So to my brain it makes sense that she must have some liability in this situation, enough to where she wouldnt be able to win the case in court.
"if you were undeniably an innocent victim in something as serious as SA, you would take it to court." Which would be the answer if it was that easy. Usually if there is little to no tangible proof or witnesses, even if the crime undeniably happened, nothing will be done about it. That's why victims often don't speak up - especially those of oppressed groups which are typically delegitimized, such as women, people of color, queer and trans people. I swear I've been seeing these same platitudes being spewed for years. You're all aware you could just read the news, right? The numbers are out there. It just goes to show that you're not willing to engage with these matters in good faith - you're just trying to find excuses to protect your dear idols.
@@20000dino People must truly not understand how being accused of SA ruins your life. An innocent man, jailed for SA, spends a decade in prison missing culture, their family, affectionate touch, their children growing up. Being surrounded by murderers, violent gang members, threats on your life on your body. Horrible living conditions. Being stripped of your rights, just a criminal given a number. Then after leaving prison after 10 or more years you won't have a respectable career to return to. Your record affect where you work, where you live, who you date, where your kids can go to school. "Believe all women! If they say they're a victim they're a victim" okay so females are an untouchable upper class off person that can send any man into a life ruining spiral with no real evidence of rape just an accusation and a boyfriend you're unhappy with. I don't think it's "blindly defending my idol" to ask for consistency. It's the text messages not showing blatant abuse. It's the story changing every time she told it. It's the blocking everyone who could add a second side to the narrative. It's being vague and making general statements then claiming rape because gifts were not returned. You're asking me to support sending a man to prison to be shanked, traumatized, and dehumanized because of a 1 year shitty relationship and a shitty night? I can't do that in good faith.
taking a situation like this to court is expensive for one and also would likely not be resolved there considering there is no hard evidence on either side
@waddafugg3072 that's very true. But also, if it's truly horrible behavior you would do you best to try take it through every resource available to you, no?
I have almost no opinion on this. The evidence is too weak for anyone to be picking either side. Alax is for sure weird but I can't form an opinion on such a serious topic without ample proof.
@@20000dino the amount of answers and comments you put in this comment section show how unbiased you are. you are just like her who insults and blames everyone that is not 100% on her side. they had a shit relationship and both are toxic people and they had to bring their shit to the public. its really not that hard.
Its pretty obvious that if anyones the emotionally manipulative toxic abuser, its ray mona. Im not some Alax superfan, his videos are good and i watch them occasionally but i wouldnt consider myself a fan of his. I say this because its quite obvious to me that what alax is saying, has far more truth and is far more painful for him, than anything said or showcased by ray mona. She just seems like a vindictive and hateful person who wants to get revenge on someone she thinks wronged her.
I assume the break up was terrible and both ended up hating each other's guts in the aftermath. Mona's timing in my opinion is sus, taking advantage of the Jared and Heidi/sexting to minors scandal to accuse her ex-boyfriend of assault for critical reputation damage. However, Alax's response was bad on many levels, both diplomatically and legally, like revealing personal stuff and threatening legal action in both response videos even if he had receipts showing that Mona exagerated her claims, thus explaining why he ended up removing them. However, I tend to distrust people that constantly use progressive language when accusing people of things like SA and R@p3, because you have to be emotionally coherent to maintain that level of "think of others' mental health and traumas" mentality when one is dealing with personal problems or traumatic events. In his first video, Alax was rather emotional but tried to keep it in when discussing the allegations. In his second video, he was more tired and weary and just wanted to move on. Mona says Alax is a sociopatic monster, and Alax says Mona is a vindictive and manipulative woman. What happened? My uninformed guess is that something happened between the two which progressives may consider SA, while most conservative and moderate people may consider simply bad or crass behavior towards a woman, and Mona used this event to get revenge on Alax due to how Alax treated her when they were together (plus the alleged harrasment from Alax's fans).
So I'm not so sure what ray's stans have against this video? They claim it's biased towards alax, which I don't think was michael's intention but alax is the one that gave the most information and ray basically gave him one message and kindly told him to f-off pretty much. Of course it's gonna seem biased if ray gives so little of her side. Also I really hate this stan like pc-tuber believe that a women always tells the truth and is always right, cus that's toxic and simply not true. At the end of the day this is just he said she said, and there's not enough evidence to side one way or the other. No Ray being a women inherently does not make her more likely to be telling the truth women lie all the time, look at the projared, johnny depp, kwite, slazo, or dream dramas to name a few. Not that I expect Ray stans to watch this, this is for actually level-minded people not them.
Well the video maker didn’t really talk much about any modern day responses that Ray said. In a situation like this, it’s really important to listen and point out both sides of the situation, so not having any input from Ray, aside from her older response and not what she thinks now can be really suspicious. Plus, how do we know Ray just told him to “F-off?” All the guy said is that he talked to her, but never stated that she didn’t respond, or told him to leave her alone or anything.
@@train4292 he shows a screenshot of her responding in dms where she gives a short response and basically tells him to not message her anymore about it in a very passive aggressive way. Don't try and pretend you didn't see it to push your narrative. If bobdunga wanted to give more evidence and her side she could've but she didn't and unless you can prove that michael and bob talked more and he didn't add it to the video he isn't being bad faith. Nice try though.
@@nascour5991 Uhh..,you could cool it with the aggressive tone man? I wasn’t try to fight, or “push a narrative”. Just saying what I saw in the video. At least from what I remember seeing in the video.
@@train4292 sorry I just really get fed up with Bobdunga stans and assumed you were one, but michael did show her side. It's bob's own fault if she wanted to say more but didn't it's not on michael, if he pushed for more he probably would've just been blocked or ignored. There's more proof in a pinned comment if you need it.
Seems I'm the only one who remembered the allegations. When I first learned of them back in 2019, I completely stopped watching him. I already didnt really like him too much as his brand of humor is obnoxious in my opinion and he genuinely came off as a sort of "fake" guy that I only watched because he fulfilled a specific content niche of mine and he was tolerable enough to continue watching However after watching this video, I am leaning more towards this being an issue between two people who happened to be public figures and had a mutually toxic relationship that could not survive. I still wouldn't watch his videos as they still aren't my thing, but I did come out of this respecting him a BIT more for his willingness to be speak about his side even if he's probably covering up something, I guess.
I still feel the same way i did when this happened. Why was this aired? Idk what happened and i dont care. I know that moving on from this event his content took a direction i really didn't like so i stopped watching. If any actual evidence of SA comes out then they should be purged, but being so close to rhe PJ stuff it just felt so unsavoury and untrustworthy. Idk it was a bad relationship they should have delt with it like adults behind closed doors.
After watching the whole thing it just seems like a Mattress Girl situation. A false accusation built from malice. Life lessons: Don’t date other content creators.
man, thats a bummer i learned from scott from relaxalax, to bad he throws pals under the buss. chain is only as strong as the weakest link. if thats you, those friend groups aren't gonna last that long.
>nintendo based youtuber >average millant sonic opinions that circulate going back to the immerse negative outlook on the series since around 2004/5 >ha ha funnyguy-like....personality just......make it stop
-He also trashed the 3ds Mario games -Destroyed an original 3ds -And threw a 2ds in the garbage Ever since he made that 3ds Mario video, I’ve despised him 😡
I will never forgive him for breaking a 3ds with a sledgehammer, throwing a 2ds in the garbage and making that god awful bland era of mario video that featured the 3ds games and called 3D land, Mario Kart 7, and Luigi mansion 2 bland and udder messes, I’m against him. But the sexual harassment is way worse and makes me dislike him more and was very stupid of him to do.
I hate being a Smash fan sometimes and having to be associated with these douchebags. Coming from a longtime fan of Alex (subbed since 2015 and am going to change that after posting this comment).
Chill the f*ck out kid, they both had s3x while they were drunk. It's NOT SA, but Bobdunga can play the victim all she wants, especially if she was "inspired" by Heidi of all people..
Not even watching the video i just need to talk abt when that video first came out. I was rather young (least compared to now) and i loved his videos but when i saw that 1. No way even current me is watching all that and 2. I just stopped watching him out of feeling weird abt it
@@lunchtreyy He acts upon guilty until proven innocent rather then innocent until proven guilty. He even himself admits he doesn't know for sure if alax is guilty or innocent yet treats him as if he's guilty which is shitty behaviour in general let alone for a friend.
@@fatigued The guy was being stuck between wanring to keep him on but him knowing this could also make him look bad. It's not an easy decision and it's not anyone should have to be in, it's a hard one to think about.
@@fatiguedGonna be honest “Innocent until proven guilty” is an outdated as fuck mindset and instead of coming across as an optimist it makes people who use that phrase constantly come across as “PLEASE STOP CALLING OUT THIS GUY WHOSE VIDEOS I LIKE!!!!” I get what people are trying to say but there’s so much shit regarding sexual abuse allegations and evidence regarding them that make going “Well, innocent until proven guilty” every time just, a very bad look on one’s part. I think there’s many cases where that phrase has merit to it, but sexual abuse allegations mean a lot more.
I'm really tryna give this the time of day, but man.... This is a very bland drama. I'm just gonna throw it out there. I'm trying to find it in me to give a fuck about the victim, but I'm struggling to even get through this video. EDIT: Honestly, I came back to this later, and this is a great video.
To clear up some confusion: I reached out to a lot of different people while making this video. One of these people was Ray Mona, we talked for a bit back in October. I've seen some people accuse me of never reaching out to her, that's not true.
Edit 2/16/2024 12:58 PM EST: I've been seeing people asking for proof for this. Here it is.
imgur.com/a/JtiIfGh
Then why didn't you include such a pivotal detail in the video? The lack of a mention of Raven at every moment of the video when you stressed you spoke to Alax and Scott seems to indicate that you DIDN'T talk to her. You deliberately left this piece of information out because you knew you would receive backlash and hoped no one would notice.
I'll believe you when I see the receipts - and even so, those could very well not be true. I'd need actual confirmation from Raven herself to believe you - which I won't do, as I actually care about her feelings and wouldn't want to unearth her trauma from nearly five years ago (much less through making a video milking off of it, besides lowkey siding with her abuser).
Your content is gross and you should just own up to it like myriads of other shameless and dishonest drama channels.
@@20000dino if u believe his content is gross, u could just ya know not watch it😂
@@JJ-cz3vh”if you don’t like getting robbed, just be broke. 😂”
@@20000dino Not automatically believing men are guilty of whatever people accuse them of is not "low key siding" with anyone
I'm not necessarily trying to accuse you of being a shameless drama farm - I really do think there was a lot of great research and commentary in this video and it was mostly handled with tact and respect where it was due - but the complete absence of any real coverage of your correspondence with Ray, other than vague comments saying "trust me guys it happened" with no further elaboration, is... fishy in some sort of way.
It seems like you are deliberately dancing around any real disclosure of what was exchanged between you and Ray, and that's blatantly inconsistent with how you treated the communications you had with everyone else, which are put up on full display and narrated line-by-line.
I'm sure there is a reason, and I don't have enough info to make any assumptions about what that reason might be, but it is something people are noticing.
I don't know what to think about Alax overall. But kinda the biggest shock to me in the video was that absolutely psychotic parasocial mod on his patreon. Lunatic.
just another case of a bitter people coming out of a bad relationship. Nothing that needed to be public and I really wish Twitter accusers would drop the 'sassy' act and realise there's a time and a place
Thank you for making this. Been watching Alax for years but this was a difficult situation to follow. This was really well put together (honestly, moreso than some of your other stuff, I think you are improving!) and I appreciate your unbiased but objective tone. Keep making stuff !!
Glad you reached out to all the parties involved! Getting better with each upload
Stop meat riding cuz he let you sleep with his girl p3do
Damn if technicals thinks its well done it probably is
Did he tho? I didn't see any statement from Raven and he didn't mention getting her approval. Scott himself said twice that Raven should approve of this project so...
He didn't, though? I already left another comment saying this, but I might as well say it here again.
To introduce yourself as this pacifist neutral party, claiming this video exists to merely "document and summarize a story involving serious allegations of a major content creator" - only to exclusively contact the alleged abuser and Scott whilst leaving Raven, the ACTUAL alleged victim in question, out of the conversation... it's not just profoundly disingenuous, it's disgusting.
In fact, besides mostly focusing on Alax's side of the situation, he straight up ignored one of the BIGGEST items of the case - Raven's multiple page document laying out EVERYTHING from her perspective.
I understand why it wouldn't be best to take a side when attempting to gather all evidence for such a complex case - but if this person was actually interested in doing so, he would have AT LEAST done the bare minimum and presented all the evidence from both sides. Instead, he wanted to gain leverage against other people who might've attempted to do so by acquiring new "evidence". He knew Raven would never be in favor of this, so he instead exclusively relied on the other side and a neutral party, even despite the latter warning him against this twice. He carelessly reopened a wound which had been left untouched for a while, walking all over the victim and, once again, propelling the voice of the abuser.
He says he's not "super confident in taking a stance on who is innocent and who is guilty". I say he's a coward and a wolf in sheep's clothing. He could've made his thoughts clear (at least then I could've known he was an as*hole and clicked off right away) - but instead, his biases were ironically denounced by his own lack of commitment to this pacifist front he so attempted to present. It would be funny if it wasn't so gross.
Still talking slow
Okay so I'm NOT crazy!!! At some point I saw a RelaxAlax video on my page and clicked on it before reading the name and thinking "oh wait, didn't something bad happen with him?" but I couldn't find ANYTHING in my (admittedly very limited) search attempts.
Scott really is just a great dude, lots of props to him for handling the situation well and for responding with something unbiased.
@@sa-mp5iwhe didn’t say SA is statistically likely, he said (due to statics and personal experiences) that assault victims don’t often lie about being assaulted
@@sa-mp5iw the way you put it made it sound like Scott was down playing SA. But hey, if that’s not what you meant, I guess I read that wrong.
@@sa-mp5iw ooooh, my bad. That’s a fair take
It really didn't seem that unbiased, big "anecdotal guilty until proven innocent" vibes
he's kind a pussy for editing out alax and shoulda stuck to his guns.
It’s been years since I loved to watch RelaxAlax, so when the allegations began I sort of shriveled up and ignored everything. I sort of knew that there was a conflict in understanding between Alex and Ray, but I didn’t know of anything conclusively. I still didn’t watch his videos after that, but there were other reasons on top of the uncertainty of the controversy. It’s good to finally see a bit more of the truth of what happened and the sides that portray it. But the part I didn’t expect was Scott…
I think removing Alex from Borderline Forever was a good business choice. Morally, that’s up in the air, though I’d say that Scott was in a tough position regardless. After reading how Alex still thought of Scott as a friend though, a piece of my humanity felt a tiny tear within it.
Hearing Scott’s lengthy and well thought out response for this video was one of the most crushing things I think I’ve ever read. Just imagining someone hear the echoes of their friend’s words demonstratively and conclusively denying their friendship- I don’t think I’ve ever felt a bond’s severance that severe before. It was a bit soul crushing for me just imagining someone else finding this out through a video from a third party- that hurts so bad that I felt it from here.
I am not condemning anyone as a liar, nor am I saying I believe of someone else’s innocence. I can only say that through the shared experience of humanity, I felt something through Scott’s words, and it led me to shed a few tears over broken bonds and unmendable relationships. And if it hurts me, someone who is even far removed from being considered a third party, I can only imagine the pain that besets those actually involved.
Well said.
Yeah I agree as a business standard sure it makes sense but I feel iffy about it morally since Alax still considered him a friend and was following him when he was barely starting off! Sucks to hear Scott deny that about Alax and him being friends in that part tbh.
i hate this trend of taking serious topics to the internet as "drama" instead of dealing with it offline and taking legal action. it sucks how easily people believe these kinds of accusations too. "believe the victim no matter what" has literally ruined countless lives. no you shouldn't blindly believe someone when they brought up no tangible proof.
trump lost
Why can't you give both parties the benefit of the doubt tho?
Why do you always go to accuse the person who MIGHT be the victim of something horrible
@lambsauce5312 of course bro, all parties are innocent until proven guilty, and i always listen to both sides before coming to any conclusions or jumping the gun, which is something that people normally don't do. I'm not accusing the "supposed" victim of anything horrible, not saying theyre for sure liars 100% of the time, i just don't fully buy what they're saying, especially when they provide no proof, and instead wait for the other party's response. What happens is that anyone can come forward with allegations of any kind against anyone and be 100% supported and believed as if this was the certain truth, before the other side even responds to the allegations against them, and people instead resort to attacking the accused party almost immediately upon hearing about the accusations. This is serious shit, false accusations ruin lives. and frankly, watching people flip and change between sides is exhausting. "Believe all victims no matter what regardless if they provide any substantial proof" is harmful, we should Give all parties the benefit of the doubt and wait for solid proof before coming to any conclusions
yeah well in these commuities being a woman and 'trans' is all the proof people need. Cus they feel like women are on the bottom so we always have to defend them no matter how weak the allegations
@@vegasvanga5442 dude you're hilarious man so funny, you know what else Biden is useless and has made almost everything worse. Cope
The way Scott handled the Borderline Forever controversy was acceptable. It's a tragic situation with no winners, and I'm afraid it will remain so forever (at least publicly)
Very sad
It really wasn't.
@@fatiguedFor a guy who's confused about what to think his response was understandable.
No it wasn't. Scott is a coward. Some day he will be accused of SA too and I hope his "friends" treat him just as poorly.
@@harrymason4300 That’s an absolutely psychotic thing to say
@@dongledude9448 the only psychotic person here is Scott, who abandons his friends whenever an angry mob tells him to.
I remember when he made that tweet and I thought nobody talked about it afterwards because he wasn’t a big enough TH-camr to get cancelled
I don't really care for internet drama. I don't care how serious the situation is. All it is is grabbing something be it SA or whatever and turning it into a playground fight. Why can't people just settle this stuff in private or in court. Why keep makin a show out of it.
Alex did indeed make a response video to the allegations, but it is now deleted
pretty sure he addressed it in this video, you know if you watched it?
Yeah. He basically debunked everything. He said all he did was have premarital affairs
Red flag if I ever seen one.
@@SirNaraxhe could've been legally threatened we really don't know why it was deleted.
@@nascour5991 If that were true that should be setting off massive alarm bells. That is beyond suspicious.
At the end of the day I think ALL of this could’ve been dealt with offline away from the cameras. The fact that fans were even involved in the first place was weird as hell. I’d hate being a content creator if my relationships constantly on blast
This video is a really good source of unbiased information that to me (a relaxalex fan fan who kinda immediatly supported him) proves that this case is not very clear but i'm a little confused on if you tried to reach out to ray mona or not
I reached out.
@@MichaelAlberto Sure you did lmao. (And even if you really did, what a disgusting thing to do to reopen that wound for her just for the sake of having "new evidence").
@@20000dino I’ve never seen a R/SA victim be upset that their case has been brought to light and investigated. Usually they want that light put on their abuser. Weird that she wouldn’t want people to talk about it.
@@ab-gail someone who says they got raped but change facts later is lying or they got hacked
@@20000dinoAre you mentally disabled?
Im inclined to think that anything posted on twitter first is probably bullshit. Take it to court. Stop trying to get 15 year old and 20 somethings to be your judge, jury and executioners
Well you have to think about the cost so if anything should be the last resort
@@Bru21424 even if courts should be your last resort i dont think twitter should be your first resort
@@maydaymemer4660 I ment going to the internet
This situation always seemed like a lot of he said she said to me. So I was always confused when people came to a conclusion either way
the came to a conclusion because this is a lefty stan everything is offensive, believe all women f-men community, alax kinda should've known that you don't make a community like that if you wanna avoid being one-sided in controversy.
Whenever someone says something along the lines of "I've grown and educated myself-" it feels incredibly fake.
If you’re referring to Scott’s part near the end, what reason would he have to be fake? He’s barely involved in this controversy.
@@thehale_ thatt's what brought it to mind, but I meant in general, rather than singularly pointing the finger at him.
I think if there was evidence of whether or not Alex went home in an uber that night that would settle who was telling the truth
Yeah you think there would be an easy way of telling that....like a look into a bank statement, a receipt, or you know literally anyone from this party coming out as a witness.
Thank you for your time and effort creating this- I have had little luck finding any new information in the years following the situation. Your reporting on this is much appreciated
Bringing Scott into this is unnecessary and considering the part with him is one minute yet he’s as much of the thumbnail as Ray is pretty telling why you even brought him up
Scott's a cowardly piece of trash.
@@harrymason4300 delusional
@@zkdr6278 Scott will never be your friend, no matter how much you fellate him.
@@harrymason4300relax alex alt
what's unnessessary if scott didn't wanna be involved he could've just ignored michael. Yeah the thumbnail is clickbait you new to youtube or something?
what happened with alax sucked but i am glad he was able to bounce back he seems like he truely has moved on and bettered himself as a person and thats all i cold really ask for as someone that watches him still
This is my big takeaway from all of this.
Ray: She wasn't raped at all. She just threw a tantrum and blackmailed Alex just for a dumb painting that doesn't belong to her anymore. Every single screenshot Alex shares clearly shows that she is not traumatized or affected at all. She's being manipulative and hostile and just wants to threat Alex and his reputation if he doesn't do what she demands. Also, someone who was sexually abused and was psychologically affected would NEVER hold their ex so dearly during their breakup. She truly seems affected by them breaking up, she even says she'll have a hard time getting over him or not thinking about him while being with someone else. She was incredibly lovey dovey about it, and her dialogue is so clear and sincere it's hard to believe he's some sort of gaslit victim. Also, notice how instead of giving Alex some decent counterarguments after his video, her only response was to mock his "fake lawsuit" and that's it.
Alex: A narcissistic, manipulative douche who has little to no grasp on what a co-operative relationship is. He barely tolerated his ex's bad behaviour (to a degree, understandably so), but to the point he starts talking shit about her to his friends. Or even worse, making her feel inferior. Is that worth cancelling someone for? nah, not really. Dude needs therapy, or maybe he's not built for relationships. He should just stick to comedy.
Scott: He 100% believes Alex. I'm not buying his response. He's afraid of bad PR and sadly, this is not a matter of him "growing up and learning" but rather getting good lawyers who told him to always publicly state that he believes in the victim, no matter the odds. That sadly makes him a bit of a shitty friend, but that's show business. He did the "professional" thing to do.
Bottom line: of course the allegations were forgotten. There's nothing to cover here. This was a stupid, childish couple's fight that Ray decided to make public for a stupid painting. That's also probably the reason why this video doesn't have that many views. The investigations are decent... but it really snowballs into nothing.
thank you for the balanced summary
perfect summary
Let me preface this by saying I think you're bringing up some very good points, and I generally agree that this was not really drama-worthy and should've been handled in private. But here are some things I'd like to point out:
1. It's not safe to assume the emotions and the mental state of involved parties when you weren't there. You mentioned Ray was clearly "not traumatized or affected at all" and "incredibly lovey dovey about" the relationship, but it is dangerous to assume that, since you are not her. I get where you're coming from, but we don't know what and how other people feel, so we have to be careful not to speculate too much based on their words alone.
2. Consent when drunk is not consent, that much is true. So by definition it was rape. Alex was irresponsible for not respecting the boundaries even if they were dating, and blaming Ray for being mad over it is not rational imo.
3. No matter how Ray responded, Alex would've had the high ground anyways because of his huge following online. The way Ray handled the situation was not ideal, but it shouldn't be held against her, at least not that much. Both Alex and Ray dealt this drama extremely poorly, but that doesn't really affect what actually transpired.
To reiterate, I agree Ray should not have made this public. But to say the reason this drama went out of control is because of Ray's choice to make this public, is kinda undermining the fact that she was indeed forced into intercourse without proper consent, and that Alex was legitimately being a manipulative partner, just like you pointed out as well. We all make mistakes, especially when we're angry and/or sad... So although I completely agree this could've been handled better in private, I just wanted to point these out to prevent the victim-blaming narrative (not that you were deliberately victim-blaming, but moreso that some of your points might lead to it), and that might be dangerous for similar but more serious situations in the future.
@@Jackie_burnp i agree mostly but alex was drunk too. they both couldn’t consent.
@@luckynumber7dude612 Fair point, but usually when drunk the woman is the one to be taken advantage of, and the positions they tried were Alex's suggestions according to both of them, and I believe even Alex said he was more sober than Ray at the time.
But yeah, you have a point. And drunk sex is such a grey area. But it still doesn't change the fact it was a rape-y situation and Ray was in the right to be angry. It also doesn't change the fact she didn't need to make it public.
I’ve been watching RelaxAlax ever since his early know your moves episodes and I never heard about this until now. I’m glad you are bringing these allegations to light, these should be known by his audience.
I stopped caring about him once he made the bland era of Mario video😡
Honestly I disagree. This situation should’ve stayed private and the fans or the public doesn’t need to hear this. Take this up to court or legal status and that’s it. Doesn’t have to blow up on the internet
@@3dsfan2002That’s pretty unnecessary to bring up for this kind of situation man.
@@train4292 yes, but I don’t care, he made most small TH-camrs to agree with him and it’s his fault because he’s popular
@@3dsfan2002 Ok. Normally I don’t say this lightly, but the fact that you’re putting something so small over the issue that he could potentially be a sexual abuser is kind of stupid not gonna lie man.
Nice work reaching out to all parties involved. Sure, we’re left mostly up to speculation for a lot of things but that amount of research is definitely commendable. Keep it up💪💪💪
The lack of any statement from Ray or mention that you talked to her in the video is so bizarre given that Scott requested it multiple times in his own statement you shared.
stans of her will just pretend he didn't include her response cus it's so short uh no she just told him to kindly f off after a very brief explaination
@@nascour5991 absolute nonsense, and not a stan of her or alax
@@iTotofogook you're not a stan but you couldn't watch near the end of the video to realize that he literally showed her statement and how she didn't want to talk about it more then that one message?
If there's no police report it's not too big of an issue. Cancelling someone on the basis of some screenshots (that could be faked) and someone's story isn't nearly enough to brand someone guilty
Great job covering this. Subscribed.
I'd never drank coffee to the godot theme, thank you for that
thanks for covering this, i had no idea any of this happened and i'm a fan of alax's videos. it's definitely complicated and we'll never know the truth, but from an outsider's perspective it looks like Ray had some pretty toxic behaviours in the relationship probably due to abandonment issues. (ie. constantly accusing partner of being unfaithful, although as a gay person, seems like alot of straight couples deal with this shit lmao) but i do believe her when she said she didn't remember the sex and cried the next morning when she realized she didn't remember anything. that shit is scary. I'm not an SA survivor so I hope i dont say anything out of line, but I believe when it comes to alcohol consumption and being partners and all that the waters get a bit murky. couples have drunk sex all the time, I think it's up to the individuals whether they feel like they consented or not. Alax's statement doesn't sit right with me because instead of aknowledging her feelings about the situation he basically just comes at it from the assumption that she's just lying and only exposing him to get her painting back. That very well could be true but I think the safer option is to just apologize. being blackout can be fuckin scary man just say sorry. Also when he goes over the sequence of events of the incident, he leaves out the part where she said Alax told her of the sexual acts they did and Ray got emotional saying she blacked out. Which makes me a bit suspicious that he's trying to avoid any accountability. hopefully this all made sense, I see more people in the comments bashing Ray and I do think she deserves criticism but I also think Alax's response was in bad faith and he should've at least taken SOME accountability. not calling Alax a r*pist btw it's not that simple.
TLDR Alax is probably not a r*pist but should have taken more accountability, Ray was a toxic partner but also a human being who (maybe) deserved a lil more empathy from her former partner. I think both parties need to do a lil more self reflection. i mean it's been like 5 years so i'll assume they have :P
I just think both parties were in the wrong/ handled the situation in poor taste. Alax could’ve handled it better and maybe try and support her in situations earlier on but also all the criticism of Ray is valid as well
Scott's response kind of rubs me the wrong way ngl, He says that he doesn't know if Alex is guilty or not, Yet still treats him like he is.
It's one thing to recognize that he jumped the gun by defending him before any of the evidence was officially revealed, But it's another to immediately switch viewpoints because "Statistically most people don't lie". Where were you during the Slazo situation, Scott?
As for my take,, It just seems like Alex and Ray had an unstable relationship. Between the two I'm willing to side with Alex more but both testimonies have holes in them, And I don't think we'll ever get a conclusive answer as to what really happened.
Scott can chose to not associate with Alex as he pleases but his response was not it.
Most really don't though and for a situation where a lot of people feel very strongly about a topic his decision was understandable.
@@JamesRichards-zk2hl I'm not really criticizing his decision to remove Alex from the Borderland Fever video as much as I am his response that he gave to Michael directly.
That's what rubs me the wrong way since he says ignorant shit like "Statistically most people don't lie" when there's a ton of instances that prove otherwise. If it just stopped at "I don't know if he's guilty" then that'd be whatever. But he took a step further and that's what I don't like.
Why would Scott, a Nintendo TH-camr, know about the Slazo incident lmao
It read to me as a very corporate response
@@PuddleOfPizza there's a high likelihood that Scott was given a particular stance by a lawyer (or some other external authority telling him how to PR), because that stance is the safest for him to hold in the situation. Not necessarily the right one, or the one Scott really believes, but the safest one for the sake of his own public image. That shit matters when you're on a stage as big as Scott.
I agree something felt kinda off about it, but my initial read was just "Scott might not be very familiar with the situation and picked the safest way out to avoid any further negative consequences to himself or his channel". Maybe a little selfish, but not necessarily mean-spirited - it's a messy situation and it's totally within his right to stay the hell away from it.
Scott's response made me kind of mad, not because of his opinion on the issue, but rather because it feels like he asked his lawyer to write it for him. Even though he admits he once believed Alex and claims there might be some nuance, you can clearly see he still included things in it to avoid backlash. A very safe corporate-like response. And therefore, very non-human too
That's a shame the lawsuit never happened, because I still think that's the only way this could've actually been resolved. Even with all of the new info in this video i didn't know, I still don't think it's easy to to decide which side is in the right here. I remember seeing a 3rd party on each side basically bully the opposition publicly when this was a hot topic, which made both sides look very bad. I remember the one defending Ray in particular writing an insane twitlonger with unverified info and it spread around Twitter quickly that day. But the one defending Alax took everything like a personal attack, as if he was a family member or something (I think it's probably the guy you mention in the video?)
Regardless, I was a fan of them both before, but I simply can't with either of them anymore. Just not people I would want to associate with, especially since I'm perhaps disturbed most with the cult-like behavior in Alax's Discord.
Also after reading the comment section I gotta say it is far more disturbing than anything in this video, just apologists on both sides as far as the eye can see with both making insane leaps and claiming things that the video showed truly aren't true
Yes! His Patreon discord is a cult. Even back in 2017 they acted like he was Jesus Christ himself. He banned me because I was occasionally posting that I was sad, when I was in an all time low in my life, and when I tried to re-join he basically said "I don't care if you stay subbed on Patreon, but you're not allowed back in".
@@RandomAnimeGamer He doesn't seem to have an active presence anywhere now from what I can tell, even rarely making videos. And with dead social media, dead subreddit, etc maybe the creepy Discord is all that's left.
It also looks like Alex is doing game design now and Ray is doing lost media, so both have certainly changed focus than when I was watching them.
@@gligarguy4010 I hope Alax is a victim of game dev layoffs if he's doing that tbh. Dude made my depression and suicidal thoughts worse just because occasional comments made him uncomfortable
@@RandomAnimeGamer
Holy shit is this true? If so why the fuck would you just kick someone off over comments of your feelings. I feel like you should have a safe space and create that community and try and boast each other up. I know that some people feel better after watching there favorite TH-camr but if this actually happened that’s fucking scummy as hell and the worse part is that he says “you can’t come back but you can still be subscribed to the patreon! Sorry not sorry!” I’m really sorry if this actually happened
Yeah it’s fucking scary bro that some of these TH-camr having cult minded individuals. I wouldn’t be surprised if these discord members are posting him as Jesus and actually I think remember people doing just that some time ago. I’m a casual fan of his but I’d never see him in that light. That’s just too silly
I just wanna say this is probably the most unbiased video ive ever seen on a situation so congrats for that
Some people in the comments still find issue of lack of rays response which is sorta true I do admit. But he later posted it in the comments so I guess it’s alright lol
honestly. the whole thing that set me off was not only the timing of when it happend. but the sheer aggressive behaviour she showcased on twitter. lashing out against everyone that was not 100% on her side going from insulting people to massblocking others. this just seems like a mess. stories changing on both parties, way too much time passing for memories to be accurat. sounds like a toxic relationship on both parties and a bad breakup to me. legit at this point just go to court.
this is why people dont want to get into relationships anymore, woman will break up with you then claim you abused them based on nothing, its just not worth it
@@kamikazilucas That barely ever happens, what are you saying?
@@kamikazilucas damm bro, are you living in Hell itself? Or are you just a Andrew Tate fan?
@@Doktario_Mystario I'm living in hell
@@kamikazilucas that sucks, hopefully you find people that don't play these toxic games
This has nothing to do with the video itself, but I find it incredibly frustrating that you refuse to elaborate about Ray’s involvement in this video. You say you spoke with her, you have shown proof that you did.
Okay, but then why are there zero details about what she actually said. Even if she didn’t want to be involved or have a statement in the video, you should absolutely have been able to share whether or not she was comfortable with this video being made.
Because that’s the point, reaching out to Ray is not just a box to check. The entire reason to reach out to her is to see if she’s okay with it, and if you can’t obtain that consent then I don’t see how you have any right to make this video. It’s not binary, it’s not just about reaching out. It’s about how she actually felt about this video’s creation.
You responding under every comment asking about this with a single sentence response “I reached out to her” is so obviously suspicious. If you could have elaborated in a way that showcased her giving permission for this video, then you would have. Instead you use the fact that you spoke with her alone as justification for shutting up anyone who is asking about what that conversation actually entailed.
I think both parties involved are not the greatest people. There's a few inconsistencies that make me curious. But hell i wasnt there and to be honest people should deal with their shit offline i think it becomes highly toxic to vent to strangers on the Internet. I understand the idea of outting and canceling especially if they are a universally a bad person. But then again im not the judge nor the jury as Scott said. In fact i completely understand his take. Its a volatile situation and hey if Ray wasn't comfortable with it id probably take it out. Especially after Alax begged to be put in. Idk it sounds like no one won at the end.
I agree with you totally
Shit should’ve stayed offline plus both party feel like they didn’t make good decisions
Fact be known: Cutie Pi got no real repercussions for her crime, but others that were actually innocent. Got their name dragged through the mud like Zero.
Cutie Pi currently goes under a new name on Twitch , and got a bigger audience, because of her actions.
What's her new name on Twitch?
Last I checked, it was Sammie Pi, with a ZSS avatar.
He wasn't innocent at all, he tried to groom a minor.
dont you mean pewdiepie there was no one in the smash community called that, also how was zero innocent
@@kamikazilucas Yeah they mean Cinnpie. They groomed a young player at the time known as Puppeh. Can't believe she gets away with it.
Scott has got to be the most genuine dude ever man
throwing your friend under the bus isnt very genuine
@@LezSpringfield I'll do it again
@@LezSpringfield Most friends dont have rape allegations that could destroy your liveliehood if you defend them and end up being wrong, which happens a lot. Guaranteed, everyone shitting on scott would have done the same thing he did in the same situation. And if you say you wouldn't you're just a liar. 🤷♂️
@@SatanicBarbeque not everyone would have. and im not a liar, dickhead
I didn’t like his response tbh I think he’s a sellout
it's not an unbiased video if Raven wasn't contacted for this video. its pretty clear what the opinions of this creator are on the subject
Anyone know how to get this drama out of my recommended
Dislike button is right there or click the 3 dots next to the video when it's in your recommended feed and select "I'm not interested in this" or something like that
@@datguyuno98 that never works, i've tried, i'm tired of it
Solid video, thanks for the information brother
Hey all Scott here, have you ever had a friend who was accused of sexually assaulting someone, yea me neither
I don’t want to excuse anyone’s actions but clearly we need to handle this a different way, banishing people doesn’t help the sociatal issue. It sucks but people deserve another chance after some point to prove they’ve changed. If a second wave of recent allegations comes out that’s something else but it seems this generation was not taught how to emotionally engage with women and that comes with a ton of growing pains
I know you reached out to Ray, but did you actually get her blessing to make the video like Scott mentioned? it feels wrong to make a video like this years after a situation and only include the claims from one side even if they're the only person who responded. If Ray didn't respond, this video shouldn't have been made.
Funny how Ray doesn't want all the facts out there. IMO she's just scorned and out for blood 😂
This whole situation seems hella stilted on both sides.
Like Alax probably did something wrong but everything she says comes off very untrustworthy and vague. And being inspired by Heidi is not a good thing.
If I were even close to the situation I’d just want nothing to do with either of them
Which is exactly why I think Scott the Woz made the right decision here
If Heidi was the inspiration, then i guarantee this is almost completely BS.
Moral of the story?:
1) Don't have sex with somebody not your spouse
2) Don't get drunk
3) Don't do all the above at once
I saw a lot of Alax's abusive actions unfold in his Patreon discord during college in 2017. He consistently gaslit people in the discord, and banned me for being depressed at the time. Imagine banning someone on your patreon-only discord just because you feel their occasional negative feelings were "bringing down the vibe".
"BANNED ME FOR BEING DEPRESSED" stop talking about how you want to toaster bath yourself in detail
@@interrobangings Reading is very hard for you if you think depression immediately means "posting about committing vertical tortilla chip". Sorry you didn't pass third grade
Also funny you liked your own comment to make it seem like someone agreed. That's more sad than your inability to read
@@RandomAnimeGamer Liking my own comment helps boost the video to the algorithm, dingus.
And don't start, kid, I've got three attempts under my belt, stop expecting internet strangers to play therapist for you. You LEGITIMATELY ARE bringing everyone else down and making them uncomfortable.
I don't expect much from zoomers, but jesus christ, get over yourself.
@@interrobangings I never expected Internet strangers to play therapist, I was expressing I was sad and that's it. Also I'm a millennial, not a zoomer. Your assumptions are entirely your own lack of reading skills showing. Again, sorry you didn't graduate third grade
@@RandomAnimeGamer >equating depression to Just Being Sad
who's misunderstanding depression, again?
"I'M A MILLENNIAL" you were born after 9/11, cut the crap
Also be less smug, assumptions have nothing to do with reading ability, honey. They have quite literally nothing to do with each other. College in 2017 and your YT account age spell it out very easily.
This video was fine but i still find it strange you never actually got any sort of statement from Ray Mona.
Surely if you actually reached out to her, she'd get the same opportunity of a viewable statement to share like Alex & Scott got?
I spoke to her back in October.
@@MichaelAlberto Why didn't you mention it in the video then? You could've at least said "I spoke to Raven and she didn't want to be involved in this video," or "I spoke to Raven and she approved this video." depending on the situation. Without that, this feels like a very dishonest video, and a poorly conceived one.
I'm making an assumption here, but the only reason I can think of for you not to mention your conversation with Raven at all in your video (or what she actually said here in the comments) is if she didn't want to give a public statement, or didn't want participate in this video. Either of those reasons are good enough to have stopped. Making. The video.
This is sensitive stuff, dude, and you risk a lot by making a video like this. You can reignite past traumas, change people's perceptions. You didn't make it obvious that you talked to Raven, and what's worse, you didn't even bother covering her allegations. Whether you intended to or not, this is silencing her, because you went and did include statements from the alleged abuser and someone else.
Maybe this was an honest mistake, I'm not going to assume the worst about your character. But it was definitely a mistake, and I sincerely suggest that you take this video down.
@@raviolithedesigner3736
I wouldn’t say take the video down but at least add the information of Ray’s response
This guy sounds like a robot
Not sure if this counts, but I remember during the hype of Doki Doki Literature Club, I think one of or few his fans were harassing artists that drew them because of not drawing Alax's favorite girl in that game.
I have no clue who you are or who you’re talking about I just saw scott, went rabid, and now I’m here
@@appledognugget2267 😐
Imma be real, Scott didn’t owe Raymona an apology in my opinion. I know SA is a serious matter but how was Scott supposed to figure who was right or wrong. It was a “he said she said” case from his POV.
This probably explains why Scott the Woz unfollowed RelaxAlax on twitter, I remember hearing about it on one of his recent streams and he brushed it off.
If alax didn't want to look like a villain he shouldn't have done his defense video looking like dr fucking eggman
And they should stay forgotten. Nobody should be hurt.
while I think Ray believes she was SA, the evidence points otherwise and so I trust Alax. as for the Scott situation, Alax has every right to be mad, but Scott was trying to do the morally right thing and he did what he thought was right.
Scott was in a lose-lose situation.
He either removed the clip of Alax, implicitly agreeing with the accusations and being forced to give his piece.
Or
He kept the clip of Alax, on a video he was profiting off of, and crossed fingers Alax is innocent and he's not profiting off an abuser.
Removing the clip was the right, and mature choice. Hus statement on an abuse victim "likely telling the truth" was perhaps a but too accusatorial, but he HAD to give a reason for removing the clip.
It was a difficult situation that, of course, could have been touched on differently in hindsight. But realistically, I don't think anyone would know the right thing to say in that moment.
That part about Alpharad is pretty yikes
If Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World taught me anything, it's to never get with or trust a girl named Ramona or anything close to it.
40:15
yes, in your PERSONAL life people don't lie (usually) about SA because
1) you're in direct contact with the people you're accusing
2) in the moment it's hard to convince other people in the room and things can get heated fast
3) the consequences WILL catch up to you fast
on the internet it's not only easier, the intire world gets to see your accusation while the accused might not even know you posted anything and because EVERYONE can see your post the accused WILL get attacked over it
if you're a victim and you post your story, you absolutely have to be as transparent as possible because the internet has many frauds everywhere and the more legally usable evidence you give the more people will be convinced, being purposefully vague and CHANGING your narrative only makes YOU the villain
saying what happens in your PERSONAL live absolutely does not compare to internet drama. The social rules are completely different
Okay but like, Does this matter? Like, at all?
Is there a way to dissociate the content and it's creator? Am I able to enjoy the content while holding the creator accountable? Am I able to cringe and appreciate the whistle blower? What about the reposters? This is killing the buzz on my overall experience. I guess this is a part of the new age of content consumption. I feel faint.
Clearly, if a women being drunk and having sex is her being sexually assaulted, then him being drunk and having sex is being sexual assaulted too. If having drunk sex isnt SA, then it wasnt SA.
There are no allegations of sexual assault, every other statement of people being shitty are just people being shitty. The worst thing that happened in this story, and the only thing approaching a crime, is the slander and libel committed against Alex.
I hope everyone remembers Scott's statement on Alex, no one should back him over any allegations.
Despite the situation. The only person that will suffer is Alex. She did this to only ruin his image, and succeeded.
I was against him for trashing the 3ds Mario games
@@3dsfan2002do you think that sex allegations is as bad as opinions?
@@Serno-bt1ry because of him and Mario wonder, is why people see the 3ds games as garbage and you what, they’re wrong anyway 😡
@@3dsfan2002 yea fair, but even then is it this bad that he has to be accused of allegations cause he didn’t enjoy what he calls a blander era of Mario?
>everyone saying STW had a very mature reponse
>its boatload of padding just to say i think this guy is guilty.
I don't agree with STW's response, but I do see where he is coming from, and you just don't get it. You see, let's examplify: imagine you make a video and on that video, you feature two people that are in bad terms. You, of course, had no idea until much later. Then, upon researching about it, you find that the girl is accusing the other guy of SA (sure, without proof). What would you do? Sure you'll say innocent until proven guilty, right?? But there's a catch.. It's a 50/50 situation. She is accusing another of SA with no proof. In a stance like this, the guy could either be innocent or guilty, and, of course, if the latter were to be true, how would that girl feel? Like Scott said, it'd be a slap to the face to her (to the girl in this hypothetical scenario). I think what he did was indeed quite mature, he just did what was right to him at the time and space in which it occured. He did say he does NOT know whether Alax is guilty or not, but if the former were to turn out to be true, then it wouldn't be right to have him featured on a video where his ex also appears, so he deleted his (Alax's) scene upon that possibility. This isn't the same as Game Grumps or Jirard who'd be the first ones to call you out on accusations and delete your contributions just to save their skin from the fire (as they have done in the past with Jontron and ProJared respectively). While I don't agree with Scott, I see where he is coming from and it's genuine.
greater than sign
No offense, but if someone literally tells you they lack empathy and can't feel love, and its not a joke, that's on you for deciding to stay with them after they tell you. And you are partially at fault for anything that happens after that point. That doesnt justify his actions at all, and its not blaming Ray. But people need to take accountability for their actions based on the information they have. And a sidenote is its funny that she said Alax said he is basically a sociopathic guy, because it does come across in his videos a little bit so that part makes sense to me.
I just have to say that you can lack empathy towards someone and still not treat them like shit. Just ask PETA or thatveganteacher about how having an overabundance of empathy has led to their mistreatment of humans.
If someone you're dating broaches the subject with you then it will be about things like that sad movie didnt affect me or I dont get why you're upset bc your abusive parent got hurt. It does NOT mean they're more likely to rape you. Thats just wrong on so many levels.
@sylas3265 your examples don't make sense though, you gave an example of 2 sources that are not an example of what I'm talking about, at all.
@@doodbro931 listen dude, those two options were given as displays of over-empathetic things that cause waaaaay more harm than people who lack empathy. Your opinion that someone has the trust in you to bring up how their brain and emotions work in a relationship as a sign that they're a sociopath is weird and damaging to everyone who doesn't emote as well as you want them to.
My bf and my best friend (two different people) both have incredibly low empathy and yet neither of them would just blatantly commit a heinous crime like you suggested. And yes saying that Alex has low empathy so Ray shoulda expected that to happen is indeed saying tjat you think Alex having low empathy makes him a rapist. Its insane logic, it doesnt make sense.
Uh, are you forgetting it's also on that apathetic loveless person for getting in a relationship as well? If they knew they lack empathy and love, why did they lead someone on and get with them? If they found out during the relationship, why not break it off? Why is either party letting a fake connection continue?
@xobunnyfangsxo that's why i said "partially" the normal persons fault. I didn't say it's not the sociopaths fault, that's crazy to say. That's why you read things before you respond.
All are guilty, until proven innocent. What?
I think he may be fine bc he's fine.
Heres why i think Ray isnt completely the victim and completely innocent in this situation, if you were undeniably an innocent victim in something as serious as SA, you would take it to court. You wouldn't take to the internet and make a big public deal about it, especially if it was something as serious and personal as SA. To me it reads as, something shitty happened, but both were to blame to some degree, which is why this is being dealt with publicly online instead of privately in court. So to my brain it makes sense that she must have some liability in this situation, enough to where she wouldnt be able to win the case in court.
"if you were undeniably an innocent victim in something as serious as SA, you would take it to court."
Which would be the answer if it was that easy. Usually if there is little to no tangible proof or witnesses, even if the crime undeniably happened, nothing will be done about it. That's why victims often don't speak up - especially those of oppressed groups which are typically delegitimized, such as women, people of color, queer and trans people.
I swear I've been seeing these same platitudes being spewed for years. You're all aware you could just read the news, right? The numbers are out there. It just goes to show that you're not willing to engage with these matters in good faith - you're just trying to find excuses to protect your dear idols.
@@20000dino something with no tangible proof or witnesses is pretty deniable IMO
@@20000dino People must truly not understand how being accused of SA ruins your life. An innocent man, jailed for SA, spends a decade in prison missing culture, their family, affectionate touch, their children growing up. Being surrounded by murderers, violent gang members, threats on your life on your body. Horrible living conditions. Being stripped of your rights, just a criminal given a number.
Then after leaving prison after 10 or more years you won't have a respectable career to return to. Your record affect where you work, where you live, who you date, where your kids can go to school.
"Believe all women! If they say they're a victim they're a victim" okay so females are an untouchable upper class off person that can send any man into a life ruining spiral with no real evidence of rape just an accusation and a boyfriend you're unhappy with.
I don't think it's "blindly defending my idol" to ask for consistency. It's the text messages not showing blatant abuse. It's the story changing every time she told it. It's the blocking everyone who could add a second side to the narrative. It's being vague and making general statements then claiming rape because gifts were not returned.
You're asking me to support sending a man to prison to be shanked, traumatized, and dehumanized because of a 1 year shitty relationship and a shitty night? I can't do that in good faith.
taking a situation like this to court is expensive for one and also would likely not be resolved there considering there is no hard evidence on either side
@waddafugg3072 that's very true. But also, if it's truly horrible behavior you would do you best to try take it through every resource available to you, no?
VIDEO GAME TH-camR "TRY NOT TO BE A RAPIST" CHALLENGE (IMPOSSIBLE)
I have almost no opinion on this. The evidence is too weak for anyone to be picking either side. Alax is for sure weird but I can't form an opinion on such a serious topic without ample proof.
The woman lied alax innocent
So scott is treating him as guilty lol
Good
Well, he is lol.
@@20000dinohow lmao
@@20000dino the amount of answers and comments you put in this comment section show how unbiased you are. you are just like her who insults and blames everyone that is not 100% on her side. they had a shit relationship and both are toxic people and they had to bring their shit to the public. its really not that hard.
@@20000dino evidence?
Its pretty obvious that if anyones the emotionally manipulative toxic abuser, its ray mona. Im not some Alax superfan, his videos are good and i watch them occasionally but i wouldnt consider myself a fan of his. I say this because its quite obvious to me that what alax is saying, has far more truth and is far more painful for him, than anything said or showcased by ray mona. She just seems like a vindictive and hateful person who wants to get revenge on someone she thinks wronged her.
Don't forget that michael went on lerix live stream and screamed slurs at him.
Lolcow gene
Is there a video about that?
Source?
I assume the break up was terrible and both ended up hating each other's guts in the aftermath.
Mona's timing in my opinion is sus, taking advantage of the Jared and Heidi/sexting to minors scandal to accuse her ex-boyfriend of assault for critical reputation damage. However, Alax's response was bad on many levels, both diplomatically and legally, like revealing personal stuff and threatening legal action in both response videos even if he had receipts showing that Mona exagerated her claims, thus explaining why he ended up removing them.
However, I tend to distrust people that constantly use progressive language when accusing people of things like SA and R@p3, because you have to be emotionally coherent to maintain that level of "think of others' mental health and traumas" mentality when one is dealing with personal problems or traumatic events.
In his first video, Alax was rather emotional but tried to keep it in when discussing the allegations. In his second video, he was more tired and weary and just wanted to move on.
Mona says Alax is a sociopatic monster, and Alax says Mona is a vindictive and manipulative woman.
What happened? My uninformed guess is that something happened between the two which progressives may consider SA, while most conservative and moderate people may consider simply bad or crass behavior towards a woman, and Mona used this event to get revenge on Alax due to how Alax treated her when they were together (plus the alleged harrasment from Alax's fans).
Only 22 minutes late and how bad is TH-cam?
Omg a smash player got accuse of sexual crimes????? Omg dude that's CRAZYYYY
The black/latino man with glasses at the 0:20 mark, who is he? I recognized him just cannot put a name to him. Did not know of any allegations.
Sky Williams I think
@@dearzaina thanks you were right
What bout the forgotten allegations against Michael Cuckberto
Time for another banger
So I'm not so sure what ray's stans have against this video? They claim it's biased towards alax, which I don't think was michael's intention but alax is the one that gave the most information and ray basically gave him one message and kindly told him to f-off pretty much. Of course it's gonna seem biased if ray gives so little of her side.
Also I really hate this stan like pc-tuber believe that a women always tells the truth and is always right, cus that's toxic and simply not true. At the end of the day this is just he said she said, and there's not enough evidence to side one way or the other. No Ray being a women inherently does not make her more likely to be telling the truth women lie all the time, look at the projared, johnny depp, kwite, slazo, or dream dramas to name a few. Not that I expect Ray stans to watch this, this is for actually level-minded people not them.
Well the video maker didn’t really talk much about any modern day responses that Ray said. In a situation like this, it’s really important to listen and point out both sides of the situation, so not having any input from Ray, aside from her older response and not what she thinks now can be really suspicious. Plus, how do we know Ray just told him to “F-off?” All the guy said is that he talked to her, but never stated that she didn’t respond, or told him to leave her alone or anything.
@@train4292 he shows a screenshot of her responding in dms where she gives a short response and basically tells him to not message her anymore about it in a very passive aggressive way. Don't try and pretend you didn't see it to push your narrative. If bobdunga wanted to give more evidence and her side she could've but she didn't and unless you can prove that michael and bob talked more and he didn't add it to the video he isn't being bad faith. Nice try though.
@@nascour5991 Uhh..,you could cool it with the aggressive tone man? I wasn’t try to fight, or “push a narrative”. Just saying what I saw in the video. At least from what I remember seeing in the video.
@@train4292 sorry I just really get fed up with Bobdunga stans and assumed you were one, but michael did show her side. It's bob's own fault if she wanted to say more but didn't it's not on michael, if he pushed for more he probably would've just been blocked or ignored. There's more proof in a pinned comment if you need it.
Seems I'm the only one who remembered the allegations. When I first learned of them back in 2019, I completely stopped watching him. I already didnt really like him too much as his brand of humor is obnoxious in my opinion and he genuinely came off as a sort of "fake" guy that I only watched because he fulfilled a specific content niche of mine and he was tolerable enough to continue watching
However after watching this video, I am leaning more towards this being an issue between two people who happened to be public figures and had a mutually toxic relationship that could not survive. I still wouldn't watch his videos as they still aren't my thing, but I did come out of this respecting him a BIT more for his willingness to be speak about his side even if he's probably covering up something, I guess.
I still feel the same way i did when this happened. Why was this aired? Idk what happened and i dont care. I know that moving on from this event his content took a direction i really didn't like so i stopped watching. If any actual evidence of SA comes out then they should be purged, but being so close to rhe PJ stuff it just felt so unsavoury and untrustworthy. Idk it was a bad relationship they should have delt with it like adults behind closed doors.
RelaxAlax is the type of person to tell you, you can’t even pay for gas and then say his cat made him say it.
After watching the whole thing it just seems like a Mattress Girl situation. A false accusation built from malice.
Life lessons: Don’t date other content creators.
man, thats a bummer i learned from scott from relaxalax, to bad he throws pals under the buss. chain is only as strong as the weakest link. if thats you, those friend groups aren't gonna last that long.
What allegations ive never heard shit about mah boi
watch the video?
WHAT?! My MAIN man Alax? No way, this video better be good. I loved his personality, editing, and him being passionate about games.
don't want to be mean or anything, i'm just curious. Did you use Ai to mimic your voice in this video?
>nintendo based youtuber
>average millant sonic opinions that circulate going back to the immerse negative outlook on the series since around 2004/5
>ha ha funnyguy-like....personality
just......make it stop
-He also trashed the 3ds Mario games
-Destroyed an original 3ds
-And threw a 2ds in the garbage
Ever since he made that 3ds Mario video, I’ve despised him 😡
@@3dsfan2002 what a dick, destroying items like that is materialistic
@@ordovicianscourge9520who are you referring too?
@@3dsfan2002 relaxalex, not you just incase if you took it the wrong way
@@ordovicianscourge9520 you’re good
I will never forgive him for breaking a 3ds with a sledgehammer, throwing a 2ds in the garbage and making that god awful bland era of mario video that featured the 3ds games and called 3D land, Mario Kart 7, and Luigi mansion 2 bland and udder messes, I’m against him.
But the sexual harassment is way worse and makes me dislike him more and was very stupid of him to do.
It said to stick to the topic but I just wanted to say I love agagi
I hate being a Smash fan sometimes and having to be associated with these douchebags. Coming from a longtime fan of Alex (subbed since 2015 and am going to change that after posting this comment).
Chill the f*ck out kid, they both had s3x while they were drunk. It's NOT SA, but Bobdunga can play the victim all she wants, especially if she was "inspired" by Heidi of all people..
this video showed his innocence but ok.
He didn't do anything wrong, but go off.
TLDW What did mans do
Not even watching the video i just need to talk abt when that video first came out. I was rather young (least compared to now) and i loved his videos but when i saw that 1. No way even current me is watching all that and 2. I just stopped watching him out of feeling weird abt it
@@woofwood_ Commenting without watching the video is the dumbest crap ever
@kamekakarot it's the same type of video essay slop as all the rest and the world is still spinning
What a mature statement by Scott the Woz
What a intentionally vague, corporate answer by Scott the Woz
@@theonewhoknocks4414 Exactly
You made an entire 43 min video about this guy. Ion know what to say besides this is kinda lame.
Lost all respect for scott after seeing his response.
His response makes sense and is completely rational.
@@lunchtreyy He acts upon guilty until proven innocent rather then innocent until proven guilty. He even himself admits he doesn't know for sure if alax is guilty or innocent yet treats him as if he's guilty which is shitty behaviour in general let alone for a friend.
I understand where you come from, but from the case being almost as hidden as it is from both parties nowadays ,who can blame who
@@fatigued The guy was being stuck between wanring to keep him on but him knowing this could also make him look bad.
It's not an easy decision and it's not anyone should have to be in, it's a hard one to think about.
@@fatiguedGonna be honest “Innocent until proven guilty” is an outdated as fuck mindset and instead of coming across as an optimist it makes people who use that phrase constantly come across as “PLEASE STOP CALLING OUT THIS GUY WHOSE VIDEOS I LIKE!!!!”
I get what people are trying to say but there’s so much shit regarding sexual abuse allegations and evidence regarding them that make going “Well, innocent until proven guilty” every time just, a very bad look on one’s part. I think there’s many cases where that phrase has merit to it, but sexual abuse allegations mean a lot more.
I'm really tryna give this the time of day, but man.... This is a very bland drama. I'm just gonna throw it out there. I'm trying to find it in me to give a fuck about the victim, but I'm struggling to even get through this video.
EDIT: Honestly, I came back to this later, and this is a great video.