The dream about the Crow bringing Bran down into the crypts reminds me of how Harry kept having that dream about that top secret area at the Ministry of Magic. That allurement and the pressure to fulfill a certain action in real life. I think it's called predictive programming.
garrison There are so many book's characters that the show cutoff like bloodraven, coldhands, arianne martell, euron and victorian, Kindly man, dayne characters, lady stoneheart, Yong griff, jon connington, Daario with blue hair.
You mean all the characters that point to the actual plot of the story that aren't stark kids (they couldn't cut those). It's like making a film about a guy who likes pets and boats from the Gilgamesh/bible story of the great flood, your seeing the surface of the story but your not getting the meaning of it.
watching this video and hearing all these female associations being made with the crow is enforcing my thoughts that the Great Other is a female. It goes perfectly considering the dual nature of the religion of Rhhlor. Rhhlor is mentioned as a male and the sun and light is always associated with being male in theology and mythology while the darkness and the moon is always associated with being female. Plus if the Great Other/three eyed crow is female and is pulling Euron's strings, she may be the one standing next to Euron on the throne with the pale white fire in her hands in Aeron's vision. She could also be the female Other who seduced the Night's King and took his soul. This could be the point in time in which the Night's Watch started being called "crows". It could also have something to do with why the Night's King was wiped from the history books and records.
Yin and Yang. Masculine energy is seen as positive/creative (I think this channel may have suggested a link between Rhhlor and the fertility god that Garth Greenhand followed) and feminine energy as negative/passive. This can't be a coincidence. First thing I ever though when hearing the name "Ice and Fire" was Yin and Yang. Yin is associated with cold as well as being sinister, covert, hidden and treacherous. Yang is open, "of this world", the sun. Seeing a connection here? :-D In Taoist philosophy everything is made up of both parts and both are intrinsic parts of the world, despite being diametrically opposed they are both necessary for the world to function. You can further stretch the parallels to the characters too. None of them are truly "good" or truly "evil". They're all grey. They're all both yin and yang. I bet even Euron will have some positive role in the story eventually.
its about balance in this story, YIn and Yang are not in harmony with each other and too much of either one is a bad thing. Melisandre's religion operates under the ignorant logic of yin vs. yang. They don't understand and therefore can't respect that they are to parts to the same whole and that's why the prince who was promised is a song of ice AND fire he will restore the balance and bring an end to the chaos.
Which brings horrible thoughts... There might be the female other, the one from Nightfort, in the crypts of Winterfell, sleeping, out of time, guarded by Kings of Winter, with swords of iron.
Bran's storyline, along with the butchering of the Dornish and Iron Island storylines, are the three worst debacles the show has committed. Thank you for this video, as it is a great theory that I actually believe.
Sooooo many people call Bloodraven "The Three Eyed Crow", it drives me nuts, as you state Bloodraven comes to Bran as a Weirwood in the dreams. I believe that the Crow's Eye may be the "Three Eyed Crow"
I believe in this too, and during Bran's training, he can meet up with Euron and the 2 of them can develop some sort of relationship a lá Anakin and Palpatine before Palps showed his true colors!
I think youre close. I think the 3 eyed crow also contacted Euron and gave him the same flying dream he gave Bran. I think the 3 eyed crow is Leyton Hightower via glass candle. Most people think Euron is about to destroy Oldtown but I think Leyton and Euron are about to join forces.
@@veritasinvicta8128 Theres actually a few clues pointing towards it too. For one, Leyton comes from the word "latent" which means hidden. I highly doubt GRRM hid Leyton for 5 books just to kill him off in his grand introduction like so many think. Dude didnt just read spell books for a decade just to die. No, somebody gave Euron that flying dream and I think it was Leyton via glass candle. And it just so happens Euron is heading to Oldtown (probly to marry and/or sacrifice Leyton's daughter (the Mad Maid). Theres also links in common names between Hightowers and ironborn. For instance, one of the first Hightowers was Urrigon and its implied Euron's Essosi alter ego is Urrithon Nightwalker. Its kinda like the Starks and Daynes with the name Edric, Eldrick, Eddard, etc. Theres some kind of ancient link there and its coming back around again. I have a feeling Ironborn may have originally been Hightower bastards. Maybe Peremore the Twisted (implied Hightower bastard since Peremore literally means hidden love) was the Grey King and progenator of the ironborn.
@@williamhermann6635 Good point about George not revaling him yet. Gives off Howland Reed vibes! We know he knows something huge involving the story of the Tower of Joy, R and L, Robb's will etc.
Maybe it will be interesting to you. In Russian the root for the names of both birds is the same, but they are male/female. raven - vOron (masculine) crow - vorOna (feminine) Children have to be taught that those are, in fact, different species and not male and female of the same species. Subtle translation becomes very difficult at times, because different forms of those words appear the same (always differing in the place of the stress, but is not shown in text). Thanks for the new video! Excellent power of observation, as always! =)
wow now that you mentioned it, in Serbian a raven is a gavran (гаВРАН) , masculine noun,, accent on 2nd A, and a crow is a vran-a (ВРАНа), feminine noun, accent on first A IDK how it was with russians, but here on the balkans we worshiped the oak trees as gods, and in my mind the weirwoods always reminded me of oaks
Hey Orderofthegreenhand take a look at this www.fanfiction.net/s/11959399/1/A-Sword-Cuts-A-Swordsman its a fanfic where Cat goes to far with Jon and Ned finally takes care of her
Wow! I started the Bloodraven series with a lot of skepticism. Proved wrong! It makes a ton of sense that Bran would be pulled from both sides and the rational for Bloodraven not being the Three Eyed Crow is overwhelming. Thank you for opening our 3rd eyes!
My theory, the great other tried to get bran to take it down to the crypt for one reason. He needed access to Bran the builder who made the wall. The wall is the only thing preventing eternal winter and the white walkers descending on Westeros. Taking Bran the Builder's knowledge will let the Great Other destroy the wall and win.
The 3 eyed crow is Bran himself. He has learned to fly in the future. Maybe Hodor is afraid of it because he can sense when Bran is using his sight, and that sight is what destroyed Hodor's mind to begin with.
Your videos are seriously some of the best material for ASoIaF on TH-cam! I scour to find new, interesting vantage points on the literature and yours is by far my favorite! I say make the videos longer, I can't get enough!! ❤️
Hahaa, thank you so much! It takes us a really long time to sift through all the information that is out there, not only in the books, but in history, mythology, etc...We appreciate your comment, and are so glad others enjoy our take on this wonderful series. :)
That would explain why the show changed the Three Eyed Crow to the Three Eyed Raven to somehow avoid going deeper into the meanings and because ravens are "good"(although it was a Crow that visited him! lol )
yes, the intro and the outro too, maybe check the levels of sound before rendering, it's just a suggestion, :) i've noticed in other videos, different levels in your voices as well, the male voice too loud, the female voice too low, or viceversa, i usually use headphones, so i have to keep adjusting my volume when watching, anyways, aside from that, great video, getting really into them, i'm re reading the books, and start noticing a few things you have mention, i have to admit, i'm starting to be conviced about most of your theories, keep the videos coming!!!!! cheers
IYEND...I'm going to fix the music in our next video so it shouldn't be an issue moving forward....in our earliest videos we didn't know what we were doing and didn't realize you could use the video software to normalize the audio to make the volume of our voices the same volume with a touch of a button and I was attempting to do it manually which obviously didn't work like the automatic button does
God, these videos are fascinating and totally distracting me from my dissertation write up! The notion that Bloodraven was tricked into hooking into the Weirwood Net and is now trying to pass on his knowledge to Bran in the hopes that *he* might be able to escape with his friends is interesting. I almost hope it is true because it works well into how both Bran and Arya seem to resist the notion of "marrying a tree"/giving up your identity is, and perhaps lends hope to the idea that the pack might break out and reunite, like how Bran seems to mentally remind Summer that he has "his own pack" in the form of Ghost, Nymeria and Shaggydog. Plus, your idea works well into this flipping of the notion that Bloodraven does not have Bran's best interests at heart when, in fact, he is still fighting for the good of the realm. So, in this scenario though, the Others are probably not truly evil but are maybe even being manipulated by what is really behind the Weirwoods... maybe, the Children of the Forest? Or are the Children even being manipulated too? The notion of the "other" is a social construct that GRRM in his trope smashing way might want to avoid having a definitive bad person. That said, if the "Great Other" turned out to be the Weirdwoods seeking to annihilate the humans - and the Children are making use if that power - could the reason the Three Eyed Crow wanted to lure Bran to that cave be for his ability to warg humans?
+cardwitch sorry we're distracting you. Don't waste too much time on us. We'll be here when you're finished with your dissertation. We think that the great other, as Mel calls it, is the true "evil" in the story and those who worship forms of him are essentially his/her minions. That would include the children, faceless men, Qohoric, Norvos and a few other groups we haven't ironed out all the details on yet fighting on the side of death essentially and the rest of the world fighting for their right to exist
Your interpretation of the books is so interesting. You also got me to re-read the Bran chapters again: I had *never* even noticed that odd reaction that Bloodraven gives to Bran asking him if he is the Three Eyed-Crow and now I can't unsee it. Out of curiosity, would all the Children be followers of this unseen mastermind behind the Death Cult religion that presumably wants to turn all life into chattel for the hive mind of the Weirwoods, or are there some who you think could be relied upon to be on the side of knowledge and life like the humans? Like maybe those that remain with the men on the Isle of Faces? Or are they in on it too? We know so little about the Green Men it's hard to know where their loyalties lie, other than Luwin telling us they and the pact were born out of the wise among the children and the humans wished to end the bloodshed.
What could be better with breakfast than another Bloodraven video? I love that this channel is going places and saying things no one else dare go or say. Again, I cannot really say how much of it I agree with, 80% perhaps? But the research, passion and presentation can't be praised enough. Doing half hour videos is a ballsy move for an up and coming channel but when they're of this quality it's worth it. The success you seek will be yours in time, best of luck...
Thank you so much....we decided from the very beginning that we were going to go big, because there is no point in half measures when it comes to doing this....we did the research and felt strongly enough that we were right to take the time to make videos, so being timid, especially in this community would have turned into a hate fest
the main reason I hate watching your cast is because it causes me to have to reread everything again and again but thank you for adding a fourth dimension of the song. keep up the good work.
06:30 You left out the great Carrion Crow of battle. Anyway its too late for Bran, too late to follow the crow. Now the one eyed Raven has him. Share? When was the last time Brendan rivers shared anything? He is trying to leave , to break out of the cage that imprisons him. Likely he cut a deal with the others in the roots, fresh meat, fresh knowledge for them to feast upon, in exchange for his freedom. Not in flesh but in spirit. A new body young and hale, Jojen maybe, in exchange for luring Brand to them.
Jon once had an Azor Ahai dream with a crow or raven in it (can't remember which bird, but I think Mormont's raven) and it's generally theorized that Bloodraven is talking to Jon via ravens. What about that?
Yeah the intro and outro both were considerably louder. Kinda scared the hell outta me actually, lol. Just a minor tweak to an otherwise amazing video. Seriously guys, this is awesome stuff. I really hope you're right because i always thought it was weird that BR never seemed to admit to being the 3EC.. I dismissed it thinking i was reading too much into it, but you guys really might be on to something here. Can't wait for the next one. In the meantime, Why Catelyn Sucks will more than hold me over :). Thanks guys!
sorry about the music....it didn't occur to me to change the default peak volume when I was editing it....I just built it up to that level but I will definitely do something about it in future vids
Hi again! You might remember me from your last video. Once again, I love your videos. Clearly a lot of effort was put into them, and they definitely makes the viewer rethink some of their views. I still have a couple of questions, though :) 1) I find it hard to believe Bloodraven isn't the three-eyed crow. Not really on a thematic level, but there are a couple of issues imo, let me give you some here. Firstly, learning to fly is a recurring theme in Bran's three-eyed crow dreams, and when Bran first meets him, Bloodraven says this: "You will never walk again, but you will fly". Like his dreams on flying, this is also something that sticks with Bran, as it's mentioned again in the next chapter: ""You will never walk again," the three-eyed crow had promised, "but you will fly" Whether or not Bloodraven is the three-eyed crow, it's clear that Bran at least thinks of Bloodraven as the three-eyed crow. Secondly, in Bran I, ADWD, Bran and Meera ask why the three-eyed crow couldn't come to them; he has wings and could fly to them. When they first meet Bloodraven (Bran II), he says "(...) now you will understand why I could not come to you ... except in dreams". This to me implies that he was aware of Bran and Meera's conversation, and that he is in fact the three-eyed crow that has visited Bran in his dreams. You say that Bloodraven visited Bran through other methods, but as far as I know the only "thing" that has actively "come to Bran" and interacted with him in the dreams is the three-eyed crow. If I were a part of Bran's dreams through a weirwood, I wouldn't say that I had "come to Bran in his dreams". I hope I made my point clear. So my question is this, how do you reconcile those two points with your theory. 2) One thing I found interesting, is that the last thing Bran sees before he hits the ground when he falls, is "crows [circling] the broken tower, waiting for corn". In his dream the following chapter, we get this: "A crow was spiraling down with him, just out of reach, following him as he fell. "Help me," [Bran] said. I'm trying, the crow replied. Say, got any corn?" Now, I'm not quite sure what to make of that. My first thought was that the crow was something Bran invented, that he was visited by Bloodraven in his dreams, but that Bran gave him the appearance of a crow. Now, this does fit with Bloodravens "A .... crow?", but it doesn't quite explain why Jojen was visited by a three-eyed crow as well. So I'm not quite sure that explanation works. It's definitely interesting, though, so I suppose my question is do you guys have an explanation for it? I have to go so I'll leave it at that. Again, thanks for making these videos, they're really interesting to watch :)
The more i think about this, the more i'm on board with you guys. I always wondered why they called him the Three Eyed Raven in the show? What's the reasoning behind changing crow to raven? It seems rather innocuous, but hear me out... I think its safe to say that most readers take Bloodraven to be the 3EC. As far as i remember, there were never ANY references in the show to the man in the tree being BR. Therefore, the show may have combined the BR and 3EC characters (i.e. Benjen/Hands) because they were never going to explore BR's story anyway. And while they were at it, might as well subtly change the name just to throw people off that much more. Maybe as a favor to GRRM? You guys got my mind racing. :)
Thank you.....we think a lot of the wholesale changes they made in the show are a result of non-disclosure clauses in the visual adaptation contract HBO signed with George...these are his secrets he has kept for over 2 decades and therefore his to share with the world...not HBOs
If the Three Eyed Crow is The Great Other, then why doesn't Bloodraven or the Children tell Bran not to speak of him? Wouldn't they warn him about invoking The Great Other in any way shape or form? But they don't, they just give other names or titles for Lord Bloodraven.
he is pretty bad ass! and i had a blast finding all of the art for him because there are so many cool pictures. they really miscast him in the show. but what else is new.
Wow, this is top notch research and analysis. I'm so grateful you guys make these videos. Just blew my mind yet again. Everytime I think I more or less understand what's going you guys throw at me these new angles that change everything. I know nothing.
hahaa. Aw thanks for watching! We honestly come to some of our realizations when we delve deeper into a topic. I mean we have a general idea as to what we are going to say and what our opinions are on the topic, but once you get deeper into the text, we always find more things that blow our minds! haha We all pretty much know nothing.! :)
Wonderful work guys, as always you do top notch work. Waking up to an OotGH video is as good as it gets. So much to think about it's mind numbing. The comments section is a gold mine, so much to glean from.
Thank guys, for another great video. I always look forward to your uploads. I particularly love that you always manage to make me question my preconceptions.
i totally agree and never thought the three eyed raven was Bloodraven. I actually think the three eyed raven is Bran, a future version of himself travelling back through time, entering child Brans dreams to will him on to his purpose. That's why Hodor was scared to go to the crypt, as 'future' Bran was the one who damaged his brain.
what a great morning. love waking up to your new vidieos. To be honest the other blood raven videos didnt really wow me. I just wasent really grabbed by him. Now I'm blowen away by all this info. Gives me so much more to think about .Thanks once again for an enjoyable morning,and opening up a whole new level of mystery.
Speaking of bloodraven, do you guys believe in the notion that Jaqen was originally sent to the wall to find and kill bloodraven. And that going to oldtown to find a glass candle would help find him. i know its a stretch.
This is sort of off topic but "the Morrigan" is EXACTLY how Morrigan in Dragon Age is depicted....right down to her having a crow, she is a witch in search of "wisdom of the old gods", deceitful, cunning and manipulative. When you were giving all that background it was like I was listening to Dragon Age lore, lol! As always, great work picking up on these things hidden in plain sight.
Thank you! Is Dragon Age a show /movie? I'd love to see it. :) I came across her when I was looking up information about crows, and was like OMG, and she has a tree?!? haha thank you so much for watching.
And the knowledge you dropped in this video showed me how her character was not just an arbitrary idea for an antagonist but her entire "being" was rooted (no pun intended 😉) in actual lore.
I have always been more of a sports gamer, but I am guilty of playing a little COD from time to time when I need to blow off some steam....the Morrigan was one of the creepier things we have found when researching where we think he draws some inspiration from...some seriously dark stuff, especially when we stumbled onto her from researching crows which was already dark enough
The Order of the Green Hand that man is beyond genius. You do a great job with these videos. The level of depth and research is amazing. seriously. you guys are the best out here.
George has flat out stated when describing the Others to think of them as Sidhe made of ice. That, and like Mythos said, there is a lot of Celtic folklore at work in these books.
How can we be sure that Bloodraven's motives can still be trusted? If the CotF captured him and trapped him in the tree, is he really still Bloodraven or is he something else now? I don't doubt his motives in life, but now he's basically a corpse plugged into a hive-mind... Anything he says or does could very well be the weirwood now, not him, right? I gather that you think that despite all this, Bloodraven has the willpower and agency to give Bran some critical info that will help him escape that fate and/or stop the CotF and Others? Also as much as I agree the CotF are behind the Others there are things that make me wonder as well... Why are the wights all clawing at the cave trying to get in? Why would they try and stop Bran and company from getting there? Is it all a trick to make Bran think they are fighting the Others? Are the Others made by the children but kind of a loose cannon that they cant really control? (CotF are safe in their caves while the Others do their damage to the world of men outside)
I have the same reservations about the CotF being evil and yet also in opposition to the WW. Can’t see two major evil groups set to battle mankind with only 2 books remaining in the series....Seems like lots of yet unpresented plotlines
The Order of the Green Hand. Can you do a Video about.. Aemon Targaryen...?? The old man of Castle black.. He talked about being in love with a woman & how nothing compairs to holding your son in your arms.. This is Very interesting and Noone had done a Video on him
Maester Aemon is worthy of a video...I think I like that idea...we're in the middle of a series we've been gearing up for for like a year, but when we finish it, Maester Aemon will definitely be on the shortlist of topics we do next
The Order of the Green Hand. That would be Grate.. He is a Targaryen but other then everyone saying he went to the Wall.. Noone has done anything about him at all hes just forgotten. But he says Soo meny intresting things & has So much mistry about him.. Can't wait to see your video on him. I watch all your videos. Im sorry to say i just Recently found your channel 3days ago.. But have been ben watching ALl your vids ever sins lol. They are good..
Me and my friend always watch yalls videos together, and we both wanted to ask you if, going forward, you could turn down the music part that BLARES sooooo much louder than the rest of your video!?! In this video, it happens at the 2:29 mark. We have to turn our speakers up 3/4ths all the way because your voices arent very loud, but on 1/4th volume the music is STILL loud. Can you please correct? We hate being startled each time and having to jump up to turn the music down. Sometimes I watch at night and once the blaring music has woken my son up. I LOVE adore am obsessed with your videos LOL and your channel, and could have sworn that this is a new thing, w the blaringly loud "intro" music that happens a good bit into the video. Please correct this? I would appreciate it!!! :D Thanks again for all your hard work!
The line in the book where Bran asks if BR is the 3 eyed crow immediately jumped off the page at me and i was convinced from then on that they weren't the same people - on the strength of that alone. As to exactly who/what the crow is? I couldn't say. But once again another thought provoking video! I'm not a fan of "Catelyn Sucks" vids but i really love what you guys are doing and hope you keep churning more vids out for the foreseeable future.
That conversation is what lead us to do all the digging for more information that we put into this video...as to the Catelyn Sucks videos...we simply dislike her character and she is so well respected amongst the ASOIAF readers and show watchers that we wanted to point out that she is a wrecking ball that makes every situation worse...plus videos on her are a welcomed reprieve from the incredibly dense material we have been working on to get our minds out of the fog with a video that is easier and more fun to make
these Bloodraven videos are mentally exhausting, so hating on Catelyn for a few days will be a very welcomed change of pace to get our batteries recharged so we can tackle more in depth topics
Hi, guys, I´ve enjoyed your vids. Lots of interesting stuff. As a side note, I´ve found interesting/symbolic/ telling that Bloodraven served 13 years as the Lord Commander of the Night´s Watch before disappearing, the same number of years that the Night´s King ruled with his wife. And, double side note, he also was the 13th Lord Commander. Probably nothing there, probably more layers of mistery. ;)
I rather wait weeks in between videos and have sweet, thought-through videos like these! Take your sweet time guys, I would wait even double the time lol
Thank you...we realize that people want more videos but we just don't have enough time to do a video that we would believe in any faster than we do them, given that we both have real jobs, and we like to research every topic to death before we go forward with an idea to make sure we are not leaving anything out
Also, take a look into Norse mythology. Odin, the father god, who also has one eyes, like bloodravev and his one eye, has 2 ravens that travel the earth and bring him back knowledge of what is happening. George clearly mashes together religions and mythologies to create his world. I don't think it has one clear explanation, which is great if you are the type of person that is trying to create misdirection and mystery.
We had a whole bunch of Odin stuff as well as more text stuff but we were already at 24 minutes and it would have taken at least 10-15 more to incorporate all that...it's going to end up in one of our next videos that will tie BR back into the Wars to Come series
the only thing bout the evil children and bloodraven and bran i dont get is why the children would accept and protect bran and bloodraven when they know they could arguably be there worst enemy,, knowing much more of the children then other people. i thnk bloodraven actually managed to trick the children that hes working with them and furthering their goal, but like his charatcer is used to, he sacrificeed everything for the good of the kingdom/westeros.
agreed....Bloodraven is a very smart guy....he does a few other things, like sending bran dreams while he is there and not attached to the tree...we think that that is one of the ways he misleads the children into thinking he is playing ball, and he will eventually do something awe-inspiring that will help get Bran out of there
I don't know if you read this far back, but all this is great...add in that there's a theory that krakens are just Weirwood roots from shallow ocean...therefore further tying Crow's Eye to Faceless Men and Children of the Forest. This would mean that the Weirwoods in the sea are "The Drowned God" That which is dead may never die and ties in with Faceless Men "There is only 1 god the God of Death." Add in the Littlefinger is from Bravos and he has the third Stark pup under his tutelage and you'll see that the Starks have been pulled apart by the various factions of Death Which cannot be a coincidence. And each Stark is being trained by these facets of Death. Leaving Jon Snow the only unsoiled Stark(/Targaryen? George confirm this???)
The stuff you're saying does make sense, but if Bloodraven isn't the Three Eyed Crow, how does he know that the Crow was supposed to teach him to fly? Because the Weirwood doesn't do anything except "call" to Bran, right? I love your guy's videos, but if you're right, then literally everything and almost every character is a part of some conspiracy. Very fun to listen too, but a little far fetched.
Example of one of mental jumps: Hodor was afraid to enter the crypts==> the great other is there. I have to disagree here. Hodor was afraid of something but we don't know what that something/someone is.
Can you name something else that is different about this one particular time that Hodor was terrified of the crypts? I’m open to suggestions. The crows presence is the only thing I can think of that is different about this particular instance
what an amazing video! you two have out did yourselves with this one. Do you think Hodor didn't go down into the Crypt not because the G. Other was down there but he may have felt it's presence still lingering in Bran. Maybe Hodor saved the day again by keeping the G.O. out. Also with the Arya and the house of B/W. What is there plan for her? Every test they give her she fails in some way but yet they promote her. weird?
I think the G.O. was still down there...If Hodor could sense him and he was still in Bran, he likely would have refused to go near Bran, let alone carry him right up to the entrance of the crypts....Arya at the House of Black and White is coming very soon
it may just be in the show and not the book, but didn't the crows protect Sam while and after he killed the white walker. there where many of them perched on the wierwood tree and after slaying the white walker, they followed Sam and the wildling with child, either to protect, or watch. very interesting. there is soo much to this story. Thank you for what you do
Ravens are bringers of knowledge in Norse mythology too. I have always associated Bloodraven with Odin, they both have one eye and are referred to as raven gods. Odin is also often accompanied by wolves and now Bloodraven is accompanied by Bran who can warg into wolves.
We have a ton of Odin stuff that we couldn't get into that vid as it was already 28+ minutes and to cover the Odin part would have taken at least 7 or 8 more and we thought that would have made the video way too long
The Three-Eyed Crow is probably the power which controls the Whitewalkers. We know that some parts of the story were used in the show at its finale, we just don't know what bits. My theory is taken partly from Alt-Shift-X's new video about John snow, where the heroes do indeed go beyond the wall but this time to destroy the "Heart of Winter" - This being an ancient weirwood tree/network filled with spirits of the Children of the Forest that want revenge on Humanity for their downfall; the heroes could destroy this tree to end the Whitewalker threat for good. And just like Bloodraven has power over warging and visions, this Heart of Winter would also have the same powers, but it would use them to destroy humanity instead of saving it. This also explains some discrepancies between what Bloodraven is doing and what the 3-eyed crow is doing like why is Euron seeing visions of a 3-eyed crow to get/use the Horn of Winter. This could be explained by the Heart of Winter wanting to bring down the wall so they can begin a Whitewalker Invasion and the downfall of humanity. Also, it could explain why GRRM alluded to Bran becoming John's enemy, if John seeks to destroy the White Walkers as Azor Ahai, a manipulated Bran could try to stop John thinking he is seeing visions from Bloodraven but it's actually the Heart of Winter
Very different versions between books and show, but even in the show I always remember when she told Robs fiance what she felt Bran crippled as punishment by God's when she broke her vow to love Jon Snow when he almost died as child. She died in Gray hall thinking her family all gone...i believe part of stone heart cruelty was she caused her family downfall or thought she did...
after taking a close look at her character, we decided that the only thing the show and book versions have in common is the name and the places she goes
Don’t let the haters get you guys down, let them say what they will it’s doesn’t matter. Every theory you’ve posted it indisputable in my eyes. I challenge anyone to disparage them, I’ve been reading the books non stop for the past three years and everything seems to line up. Just because these other theorist have been studying this since the AGOT came out they flame content theft. Bugger that i say, your theories may coincide and parallel existing theories but why can’t those theories be modified and expanded upon, or readjusted completely? People are cunts. I’m with you two. Thanks for the content i await your videos everyday hoping each Monday I’ll see a new one coming that week. Even with your hiatuses, i still patiently wait.
I agree. I saw some post on r/asoiaf or r/freefolk cant remember, about the Order and people in the comments were only mindlessly hating on them. Bunch of fools lol the Order of the Green Hand is probably the best ASOIAF theory channel, the other channels like Alt Shift X etc. are just copying popular asoiaf theories that have been on the internet for years/decades. On the other hand the Order is making their own theories and actually analyzing every word in those novels.
You two are incredible researchers to spot the similarities you point out in seemingly innocuous story lines. GRRM should hire you to finish this series so it will continue to have his attention to detail. I missed most of these connections--possibly all of them. Thanks for all your hard work!!!
western lore as a general rule all sees it that way...in India it can be seen as a portal for knowledge but it can be dangerous because it leaves you susceptible to evil spirits
Let Chiffre would have been AWESOME as Euron! Never heard of possibility of Brynden Rivers is actually not the 3 eyed crow in Bran's dreams. You guys certainly put crazies out there and I love it!! Yay more Catelyn I can't wait. Speaking of Euron, his sample chapter truly gave me chills. It's like GRRM wants to definitely drive the fact that he is despicable. What always lingered in my mind is the scene when he sits on the throne with all the God relics impaled except the tree...
Loving the weirwood series. Something to ponder, it seems likely that past Starks would have known that weirwoods absorb a person's memories and self. So, there is definitely a reason the Stark lords were buried in crypts instead of near their sacred trees. What is the secret that Stark lords passed down through generations that they did not want the trees to know?
We personally think that Starks have been members of the Order of the Green Hand and the likely leaders of it since the field of fire and wanted the knowledge of it kept secret from their ancient enemies
i think it would be hard to do. i would recommend that people who had not seen the show or read the books do either one or the other not simultaneously. the two will start to blend and you forget terms like crow and ravens are distinct. you two are awesome. my queen of love and beauty and my homeboy, the Knight of the mind. good work
Great vid again. First time. there's that scary line where Euron is talking about an heir where he says an hero worth of Him.. right away I went to the Great Other. This would be like a horcrux of the G.O. Lol
Do you guys see any parallels between the spirit of the 3 eyed crow getting Bran to take the physical crow into the crypts, and the night king getting Jon to bring wights through the wall? Neither could readily access a location, so they used a Stark to take them where they needed to go. It makes me think the Starks have magical blood that allows 'death' to pass through the safeguards of man intended to block it. I also have to wonder if the gargoyles at the entrance to the crypts were some sort of barrier for the crow's body to access the spirit. Also, doesn't Bran attempt to open Jon's 3rd eye in a dream, by using a tree branch to tap his head as the crow used it's beak on Bran? I've always found that interesting.
Guess Who I want to say the first time Bran speaks to Jon through a tree is in ACOK. But I feel like there was another time they connected later, where Bran is a tree and Jon is Ghost. I just can't recall which book.
what further proves the Order's point w/this is Bran mentions his 3rd eye not being open until the crow, then Ghost sniffs the tree and senses death, and doesn't like it.
Guess Who oh don't thank me, thank the Order. They put together a video which helped me recall a memory I wouldn't have otherwise thought of haha. That's why I love this channel; they provide a great forum for GOT discourse that gets everyone thinking and bouncing ideas around.
We kinda have mixed feelings. Some part of me looks at it and sees the potential for an Other that is greater than the rest of them, while also seeing the possibility that he’s some evil darkness and death god we’ll never see. There’s a third possibility we thought of a few months ago that we haven’t had time to fully flush out too but as such it’s nowhere near ready to share
Do you think that the "Night Queen" who fought Brandon the Breaker and created the book version of "The Night King" was just a human catspaw of the Crow like Bran, Littlefinger and Doran, or was she something else? And if so, do you think we'll see her like again in "Winds of Winter"?
I was wondering your thoughts on Coldhands and his statement that the Three-eyed Crow is the last Greenseer in ADWD? Is Coldhands an instrument of the Great Other?
this is one of my favorite OOTGH videos, you guys put so much thought into everything with these videos, and are some of the most logical tin foil hat wearers out there in the ASOIAF lol, this video is one that I have a feeling will end up being dead-on, which in a way is awesome bc now I feel like I know a secret, but also a bummer bc now i know what's gonna happen before the books out, lol..... oh and I love the intro music you guys have, it fits the mood I feel like I get into every time I watch one of your videos haha
You guys know I love your videos, lol, it's good to see you're gaining the following you deserve, and I love the way you guys are progressing with the channel!! I've been with my family a lot for some health issues, but I still watch every video! They're one of the only notifications I'm happy about getting these days :o)
I find this interesting! Since the scientific names are latin; corvus corax being the raven and Corvus brachyrhynchos being the (american at least) crow.
¿ so do you think the three eye crow is in jons dreams of the winterfell crypts? jon always pulls out of those dreams almost as he is fighting with the dream that he should not be going down there in them. i know jon doesnt see the crow but maybe he has a stronger mental block whereas bran can be influenced and tricked more as he has to open up those blocks to use his green seer abilities ?
The crow and the raven seems like the big and little Walder situation where Martin tries to confuse us on purpose. Good video.
The dream about the Crow bringing Bran down into the crypts reminds me of how Harry kept having that dream about that top secret area at the Ministry of Magic. That allurement and the pressure to fulfill a certain action in real life. I think it's called predictive programming.
Bloodraven has to be one of the most interesting characters for sure.
truth
garrison There are so many book's characters that the show cutoff like bloodraven, coldhands, arianne martell, euron and victorian, Kindly man, dayne characters, lady stoneheart, Yong griff, jon connington, Daario with blue hair.
You mean all the characters that point to the actual plot of the story that aren't stark kids (they couldn't cut those). It's like making a film about a guy who likes pets and boats from the Gilgamesh/bible story of the great flood, your seeing the surface of the story but your not getting the meaning of it.
He’s no Hot Pie
He’s described similarly to Varys. May just be that Varys is described similar to Bloodraven though
watching this video and hearing all these female associations being made with the crow is enforcing my thoughts that the Great Other is a female. It goes perfectly considering the dual nature of the religion of Rhhlor. Rhhlor is mentioned as a male and the sun and light is always associated with being male in theology and mythology while the darkness and the moon is always associated with being female. Plus if the Great Other/three eyed crow is female and is pulling Euron's strings, she may be the one standing next to Euron on the throne with the pale white fire in her hands in Aeron's vision. She could also be the female Other who seduced the Night's King and took his soul. This could be the point in time in which the Night's Watch started being called "crows". It could also have something to do with why the Night's King was wiped from the history books and records.
the deeper we dig, the more likely we are starting to think it is
Yin and Yang. Masculine energy is seen as positive/creative (I think this channel may have suggested a link between Rhhlor and the fertility god that Garth Greenhand followed) and feminine energy as negative/passive. This can't be a coincidence. First thing I ever though when hearing the name "Ice and Fire" was Yin and Yang. Yin is associated with cold as well as being sinister, covert, hidden and treacherous. Yang is open, "of this world", the sun. Seeing a connection here? :-D In Taoist philosophy everything is made up of both parts and both are intrinsic parts of the world, despite being diametrically opposed they are both necessary for the world to function. You can further stretch the parallels to the characters too. None of them are truly "good" or truly "evil". They're all grey. They're all both yin and yang. I bet even Euron will have some positive role in the story eventually.
its about balance in this story, YIn and Yang are not in harmony with each other and too much of either one is a bad thing. Melisandre's religion operates under the ignorant logic of yin vs. yang. They don't understand and therefore can't respect that they are to parts to the same whole and that's why the prince who was promised is a song of ice AND fire he will restore the balance and bring an end to the chaos.
Kaiser Havel III the body count hasn't even peaked yet lol.
Which brings horrible thoughts... There might be the female other, the one from Nightfort, in the crypts of Winterfell, sleeping, out of time, guarded by Kings of Winter, with swords of iron.
Bran's storyline, along with the butchering of the Dornish and Iron Island storylines, are the three worst debacles the show has committed. Thank you for this video, as it is a great theory that I actually believe.
Waaaay late here, but I think the beginning of the end was not giving us Lady Stoneheart.
Bloodraven has only one eye. He also had a desire for knowledge in order to best serve his people. Odin also gave an eye for great wisdom.
You haven’t been paying attention if you think Bloodraven has only one eye
A thousand eyes, and one
Sooooo many people call Bloodraven "The Three Eyed Crow", it drives me nuts, as you state Bloodraven comes to Bran as a Weirwood in the dreams. I believe that the Crow's Eye may be the "Three Eyed Crow"
I believe in this too, and during Bran's training, he can meet up with Euron and the 2 of them can develop some sort of relationship a lá Anakin and Palpatine before Palps showed his true colors!
I think youre close. I think the 3 eyed crow also contacted Euron and gave him the same flying dream he gave Bran. I think the 3 eyed crow is Leyton Hightower via glass candle. Most people think Euron is about to destroy Oldtown but I think Leyton and Euron are about to join forces.
@@williamhermann6635 Hightower. That's interesting. Thanks for sharing that.
@@veritasinvicta8128 Theres actually a few clues pointing towards it too. For one, Leyton comes from the word "latent" which means hidden. I highly doubt GRRM hid Leyton for 5 books just to kill him off in his grand introduction like so many think. Dude didnt just read spell books for a decade just to die. No, somebody gave Euron that flying dream and I think it was Leyton via glass candle. And it just so happens Euron is heading to Oldtown (probly to marry and/or sacrifice Leyton's daughter (the Mad Maid). Theres also links in common names between Hightowers and ironborn. For instance, one of the first Hightowers was Urrigon and its implied Euron's Essosi alter ego is Urrithon Nightwalker. Its kinda like the Starks and Daynes with the name Edric, Eldrick, Eddard, etc. Theres some kind of ancient link there and its coming back around again. I have a feeling Ironborn may have originally been Hightower bastards. Maybe Peremore the Twisted (implied Hightower bastard since Peremore literally means hidden love) was the Grey King and progenator of the ironborn.
@@williamhermann6635 Good point about George not revaling him yet. Gives off Howland Reed vibes!
We know he knows something huge involving the story of the Tower of Joy, R and L, Robb's will etc.
Maybe it will be interesting to you. In Russian the root for the names of both birds is the same, but they are male/female.
raven - vOron (masculine)
crow - vorOna (feminine)
Children have to be taught that those are, in fact, different species and not male and female of the same species.
Subtle translation becomes very difficult at times, because different forms of those words appear the same (always differing in the place of the stress, but is not shown in text).
Thanks for the new video! Excellent power of observation, as always! =)
Thank you...that is definitely interesting
Cool beans! Thanks for sharing!
wow now that you mentioned it, in Serbian a raven is a gavran (гаВРАН) , masculine noun,, accent on 2nd A, and a crow is a vran-a (ВРАНа), feminine noun, accent on first A
IDK how it was with russians, but here on the balkans we worshiped the oak trees as gods, and in my mind the weirwoods always reminded me of oaks
"He hates sailing... so they take a boat" HAHAHA just caught that.
+Johnathan Kinne thanks ! Haha been waiting to pull that one out !
Hey Orderofthegreenhand take a look at this www.fanfiction.net/s/11959399/1/A-Sword-Cuts-A-Swordsman
its a fanfic where Cat goes to far with Jon and Ned finally takes care of her
Egg is petty
Wow! I started the Bloodraven series with a lot of skepticism. Proved wrong! It makes a ton of sense that Bran would be pulled from both sides and the rational for Bloodraven not being the Three Eyed Crow is overwhelming. Thank you for opening our 3rd eyes!
My theory, the great other tried to get bran to take it down to the crypt for one reason. He needed access to Bran the builder who made the wall. The wall is the only thing preventing eternal winter and the white walkers descending on Westeros. Taking Bran the Builder's knowledge will let the Great Other destroy the wall and win.
that makes sense to me
The 3 eyed crow is Bran himself. He has learned to fly in the future. Maybe Hodor is afraid of it because he can sense when Bran is using his sight, and that sight is what destroyed Hodor's mind to begin with.
Your videos are seriously some of the best material for ASoIaF on TH-cam! I scour to find new, interesting vantage points on the literature and yours is by far my favorite! I say make the videos longer, I can't get enough!! ❤️
Hahaa, thank you so much! It takes us a really long time to sift through all the information that is out there, not only in the books, but in history, mythology, etc...We appreciate your comment, and are so glad others enjoy our take on this wonderful series. :)
You two must get into some wild role playing! Lol in all seriousness I’m jealous of your partnership! Order of the Greenland is the perfect couple!!!
That would explain why the show changed the Three Eyed Crow to the Three Eyed Raven to somehow avoid going deeper into the meanings and because ravens are "good"(although it was a Crow that visited him! lol )
Love the intro, but its a bit loud compared to all your other Audio.
sorry....thanks for telling us....I'll make sure I turn it down in the next one out
Inocencio Flores thanks for the heads up I'm wearing headphones lol
yes, the intro and the outro too, maybe check the levels of sound before rendering, it's just a suggestion, :) i've noticed in other videos, different levels in your voices as well, the male voice too loud, the female voice too low, or viceversa, i usually use headphones, so i have to keep adjusting my volume when watching, anyways, aside from that, great video, getting really into them, i'm re reading the books, and start noticing a few things you have mention, i have to admit, i'm starting to be conviced about most of your theories, keep the videos coming!!!!! cheers
IYEND...I'm going to fix the music in our next video so it shouldn't be an issue moving forward....in our earliest videos we didn't know what we were doing and didn't realize you could use the video software to normalize the audio to make the volume of our voices the same volume with a touch of a button and I was attempting to do it manually which obviously didn't work like the automatic button does
Learn something new everyday! that's the idea, i'm glad my comment could help, thanks for the answer on it.. :D
God, these videos are fascinating and totally distracting me from my dissertation write up!
The notion that Bloodraven was tricked into hooking into the Weirwood Net and is now trying to pass on his knowledge to Bran in the hopes that *he* might be able to escape with his friends is interesting. I almost hope it is true because it works well into how both Bran and Arya seem to resist the notion of "marrying a tree"/giving up your identity is, and perhaps lends hope to the idea that the pack might break out and reunite, like how Bran seems to mentally remind Summer that he has "his own pack" in the form of Ghost, Nymeria and Shaggydog. Plus, your idea works well into this flipping of the notion that Bloodraven does not have Bran's best interests at heart when, in fact, he is still fighting for the good of the realm.
So, in this scenario though, the Others are probably not truly evil but are maybe even being manipulated by what is really behind the Weirwoods... maybe, the Children of the Forest? Or are the Children even being manipulated too? The notion of the "other" is a social construct that GRRM in his trope smashing way might want to avoid having a definitive bad person. That said, if the "Great Other" turned out to be the Weirdwoods seeking to annihilate the humans - and the Children are making use if that power - could the reason the Three Eyed Crow wanted to lure Bran to that cave be for his ability to warg humans?
+cardwitch sorry we're distracting you. Don't waste too much time on us. We'll be here when you're finished with your dissertation. We think that the great other, as Mel calls it, is the true "evil" in the story and those who worship forms of him are essentially his/her minions. That would include the children, faceless men, Qohoric, Norvos and a few other groups we haven't ironed out all the details on yet fighting on the side of death essentially and the rest of the world fighting for their right to exist
Your interpretation of the books is so interesting. You also got me to re-read the Bran chapters again: I had *never* even noticed that odd reaction that Bloodraven gives to Bran asking him if he is the Three Eyed-Crow and now I can't unsee it.
Out of curiosity, would all the Children be followers of this unseen mastermind behind the Death Cult religion that presumably wants to turn all life into chattel for the hive mind of the Weirwoods, or are there some who you think could be relied upon to be on the side of knowledge and life like the humans? Like maybe those that remain with the men on the Isle of Faces? Or are they in on it too? We know so little about the Green Men it's hard to know where their loyalties lie, other than Luwin telling us they and the pact were born out of the wise among the children and the humans wished to end the bloodshed.
What could be better with breakfast than another Bloodraven video? I love that this channel is going places and saying things no one else dare go or say. Again, I cannot really say how much of it I agree with, 80% perhaps? But the research, passion and presentation can't be praised enough. Doing half hour videos is a ballsy move for an up and coming channel but when they're of this quality it's worth it. The success you seek will be yours in time, best of luck...
Thank you so much....we decided from the very beginning that we were going to go big, because there is no point in half measures when it comes to doing this....we did the research and felt strongly enough that we were right to take the time to make videos, so being timid, especially in this community would have turned into a hate fest
the main reason I hate watching your cast is because it causes me to have to reread everything again and again but thank you for adding a fourth dimension of the song. keep up the good work.
sorry...if its any consolation that's exactly what kept happening to us whenever we noticed something new
Benjamin Black audio books mate IV got them on loop on my phone.
cast? you think this is a podcast?? Podcasts are audio files we are on youtube.......
Morgan B ...could also be short for "broadcast" and why you hatin anyway?
06:30 You left out the great Carrion Crow of battle. Anyway its too late for Bran, too late to follow the crow.
Now the one eyed Raven has him.
Share? When was the last time Brendan rivers shared anything? He is trying to leave , to break out of the cage that imprisons him.
Likely he cut a deal with the others in the roots, fresh meat, fresh knowledge for them to feast upon, in exchange for his freedom. Not in flesh but in spirit.
A new body young and hale, Jojen maybe, in exchange for luring Brand to them.
Jon once had an Azor Ahai dream with a crow or raven in it (can't remember which bird, but I think Mormont's raven) and it's generally theorized that Bloodraven is talking to Jon via ravens. What about that?
love you guys, at least someone who is reading between the lines!
keep the good content up
thank you! we will.
Yeah the intro and outro both were considerably louder. Kinda scared the hell outta me actually, lol. Just a minor tweak to an otherwise amazing video. Seriously guys, this is awesome stuff. I really hope you're right because i always thought it was weird that BR never seemed to admit to being the 3EC.. I dismissed it thinking i was reading too much into it, but you guys really might be on to something here. Can't wait for the next one. In the meantime, Why Catelyn Sucks will more than hold me over :). Thanks guys!
sorry about the music....it didn't occur to me to change the default peak volume when I was editing it....I just built it up to that level but I will definitely do something about it in future vids
loving the bloodraven videos
Thank you...sorry they take so long....this particular topic has seemingly not bottom no matter how deep we dig
The Order of the Green Hand no worries, excellence takes it time
Hi again! You might remember me from your last video. Once again, I love your videos. Clearly a lot of effort was put into them, and they definitely makes the viewer rethink some of their views. I still have a couple of questions, though :)
1) I find it hard to believe Bloodraven isn't the three-eyed crow. Not really on a thematic level, but there are a couple of issues imo, let me give you some here.
Firstly, learning to fly is a recurring theme in Bran's three-eyed crow dreams, and when Bran first meets him, Bloodraven says this: "You will never walk again, but you will fly". Like his dreams on flying, this is also something that sticks with Bran, as it's mentioned again in the next chapter: ""You will never walk again," the three-eyed crow had promised, "but you will fly" Whether or not Bloodraven is the three-eyed crow, it's clear that Bran at least thinks of Bloodraven as the three-eyed crow.
Secondly, in Bran I, ADWD, Bran and Meera ask why the three-eyed crow couldn't come to them; he has wings and could fly to them. When they first meet Bloodraven (Bran II), he says "(...) now you will understand why I could not come to you ... except in dreams". This to me implies that he was aware of Bran and Meera's conversation, and that he is in fact the three-eyed crow that has visited Bran in his dreams. You say that Bloodraven visited Bran through other methods, but as far as I know the only "thing" that has actively "come to Bran" and interacted with him in the dreams is the three-eyed crow. If I were a part of Bran's dreams through a weirwood, I wouldn't say that I had "come to Bran in his dreams". I hope I made my point clear.
So my question is this, how do you reconcile those two points with your theory.
2) One thing I found interesting, is that the last thing Bran sees before he hits the ground when he falls, is "crows [circling] the broken tower, waiting for corn". In his dream the following chapter, we get this: "A crow was spiraling down with him, just out of reach, following him as he fell. "Help me," [Bran] said. I'm trying, the crow replied. Say, got any corn?" Now, I'm not quite sure what to make of that. My first thought was that the crow was something Bran invented, that he was visited by Bloodraven in his dreams, but that Bran gave him the appearance of a crow. Now, this does fit with Bloodravens "A .... crow?", but it doesn't quite explain why Jojen was visited by a three-eyed crow as well. So I'm not quite sure that explanation works. It's definitely interesting, though, so I suppose my question is do you guys have an explanation for it?
I have to go so I'll leave it at that. Again, thanks for making these videos, they're really interesting to watch :)
The more i think about this, the more i'm on board with you guys. I always wondered why they called him the Three Eyed Raven in the show? What's the reasoning behind changing crow to raven? It seems rather innocuous, but hear me out... I think its safe to say that most readers take Bloodraven to be the 3EC. As far as i remember, there were never ANY references in the show to the man in the tree being BR. Therefore, the show may have combined the BR and 3EC characters (i.e. Benjen/Hands) because they were never going to explore BR's story anyway. And while they were at it, might as well subtly change the name just to throw people off that much more. Maybe as a favor to GRRM?
You guys got my mind racing. :)
Thank you.....we think a lot of the wholesale changes they made in the show are a result of non-disclosure clauses in the visual adaptation contract HBO signed with George...these are his secrets he has kept for over 2 decades and therefore his to share with the world...not HBOs
Its important to note that George refers to the show as fanfiction, as opposed to his own cannon material.
Whoaaa you just blew my mind, lol. That's a great answer. Never considered that but i really hope you're right. Thanks again!
No problem...
Well said Kinne
If the Three Eyed Crow is The Great Other, then why doesn't Bloodraven or the Children tell Bran not to speak of him? Wouldn't they warn him about invoking The Great Other in any way shape or form? But they don't, they just give other names or titles for Lord Bloodraven.
There is one redeeming quality in Euron:
He's a badass!
Seriously though, in other GRRM stories the shameless opportunist character usually dies.
he is pretty bad ass! and i had a blast finding all of the art for him because there are so many cool pictures. they really miscast him in the show. but what else is new.
Wow, this is top notch research and analysis. I'm so grateful you guys make these videos. Just blew my mind yet again. Everytime I think I more or less understand what's going you guys throw at me these new angles that change everything. I know nothing.
hahaa. Aw thanks for watching! We honestly come to some of our realizations when we delve deeper into a topic. I mean we have a general idea as to what we are going to say and what our opinions are on the topic, but once you get deeper into the text, we always find more things that blow our minds! haha We all pretty much know nothing.! :)
Wonderful work guys, as always you do top notch work. Waking up to an OotGH video is as good as it gets. So much to think about it's mind numbing. The comments section is a gold mine, so much to glean from.
we totally know how you feel...our brains feel numb from making it...
I was thinking the Three Eyed Crow may be Euron Crow's Eye appearing in Bran's dream.
my thoughts as well
But who’s controlling Euron?
This video is genius level good. I can't wait till you two get the credit you deserve. Thank you for sharing!
The pic of Euron at 20:00 is scary like the villain in James Bond that plays poker and outs him in the bottomless chair.
Thank guys, for another great video. I always look forward to your uploads. I particularly love that you always manage to make me question my preconceptions.
Thank you so much
I am a bit obsessed with this channel. Great work!
Thank you so much
i totally agree and never thought the three eyed raven was Bloodraven. I actually think the three eyed raven is Bran, a future version of himself travelling back through time, entering child Brans dreams to will him on to his purpose. That's why Hodor was scared to go to the crypt, as 'future' Bran was the one who damaged his brain.
Except that the Hodor brain damage scene isn’t in the books.
That's my theory. He might be behind all the other prophetic dreams too.
I'm starting to actually become scared of the crow.
the crow is creepy af
@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand
I thought that he was nice before watching this video XD
what a great morning. love waking up to your new vidieos. To be honest the other blood raven videos didnt really wow me. I just wasent really grabbed by him. Now I'm blowen away by all this info. Gives me so much more to think about .Thanks once again for an enjoyable morning,and opening up a whole new level of mystery.
Thank you for watching
11:53
With that, I started thinking of “The Beast Under Winterfell”.
Bran is the 3 eye crow who was speaking to his younger self
Exactly. 3EC is none other than future Bran himself.
Omg You guys are fab! Please keep them coming! This is keeping me going until the w.o.w come out! Exceptional work! 😀
Thank you so much...we will
Speaking of bloodraven, do you guys believe in the notion that Jaqen was originally sent to the wall to find and kill bloodraven. And that going to oldtown to find a glass candle would help find him. i know its a stretch.
Faceless men video will be coming very soon
You guys never fail to deliver amazing videos. Thank you.
thank you for watching
This is sort of off topic but "the Morrigan" is EXACTLY how Morrigan in Dragon Age is depicted....right down to her having a crow, she is a witch in search of "wisdom of the old gods", deceitful, cunning and manipulative. When you were giving all that background it was like I was listening to Dragon Age lore, lol!
As always, great work picking up on these things hidden in plain sight.
Thank you! Is Dragon Age a show /movie? I'd love to see it. :) I came across her when I was looking up information about crows, and was like OMG, and she has a tree?!? haha thank you so much for watching.
The Order of the Green Hand It's a role-playing fantasy video game series, don't know if you guys are into those types of things but I loved it.
And the knowledge you dropped in this video showed me how her character was not just an arbitrary idea for an antagonist but her entire "being" was rooted (no pun intended 😉) in actual lore.
I have always been more of a sports gamer, but I am guilty of playing a little COD from time to time when I need to blow off some steam....the Morrigan was one of the creepier things we have found when researching where we think he draws some inspiration from...some seriously dark stuff, especially when we stumbled onto her from researching crows which was already dark enough
Bloodraven could also not have known that he appeared as a 3-eyed crow to Bran because Bran has his own powers. 'Error in translation'.
The crow is bran going back in time.
Love the new intro!
Thank you
Any connection with The Others being based on The Sidhe? Those are two connections to Irish mythology, i wonder if that's intentional.
if we've learned anything from doing this, its that George does everything for a reason
The Order of the Green Hand that man is beyond genius. You do a great job with these videos. The level of depth and research is amazing. seriously. you guys are the best out here.
Chris Browning....he certainly is....thank you so much....it is really appreciated
George has flat out stated when describing the Others to think of them as Sidhe made of ice. That, and like Mythos said, there is a lot of Celtic folklore at work in these books.
I've always felt the Children were very much like the Sídhe or the Tuatha de Danann.
How can we be sure that Bloodraven's motives can still be trusted? If the CotF captured him and trapped him in the tree, is he really still Bloodraven or is he something else now? I don't doubt his motives in life, but now he's basically a corpse plugged into a hive-mind... Anything he says or does could very well be the weirwood now, not him, right?
I gather that you think that despite all this, Bloodraven has the willpower and agency to give Bran some critical info that will help him escape that fate and/or stop the CotF and Others?
Also as much as I agree the CotF are behind the Others there are things that make me wonder as well... Why are the wights all clawing at the cave trying to get in? Why would they try and stop Bran and company from getting there? Is it all a trick to make Bran think they are fighting the Others? Are the Others made by the children but kind of a loose cannon that they cant really control? (CotF are safe in their caves while the Others do their damage to the world of men outside)
I have the same reservations about the CotF being evil and yet also in opposition to the WW. Can’t see two major evil groups set to battle mankind with only 2 books remaining in the series....Seems like lots of yet unpresented plotlines
The Order of the Green Hand. Can you do a Video about.. Aemon Targaryen...?? The old man of Castle black.. He talked about being in love with a woman & how nothing compairs to holding your son in your arms.. This is Very interesting and Noone had done a Video on him
Maester Aemon is worthy of a video...I think I like that idea...we're in the middle of a series we've been gearing up for for like a year, but when we finish it, Maester Aemon will definitely be on the shortlist of topics we do next
The Order of the Green Hand. That would be Grate.. He is a Targaryen but other then everyone saying he went to the Wall.. Noone has done anything about him at all hes just forgotten. But he says Soo meny intresting things & has So much mistry about him.. Can't wait to see your video on him. I watch all your videos. Im sorry to say i just Recently found your channel 3days ago.. But have been ben watching ALl your vids ever sins lol. They are good..
thank you so much
_"We all fly down here..."_
Damn, who's up for some multiverse theories?
Lol read dark tower my friend
Me and my friend always watch yalls videos together, and we both wanted to ask you if, going forward, you could turn down the music part that BLARES sooooo much louder than the rest of your video!?! In this video, it happens at the 2:29 mark. We have to turn our speakers up 3/4ths all the way because your voices arent very loud, but on 1/4th volume the music is STILL loud. Can you please correct? We hate being startled each time and having to jump up to turn the music down. Sometimes I watch at night and once the blaring music has woken my son up. I LOVE adore am obsessed with your videos LOL and your channel, and could have sworn that this is a new thing, w the blaringly loud "intro" music that happens a good bit into the video. Please correct this? I would appreciate it!!! :D Thanks again for all your hard work!
Thank you so much...we fixed that in our latest videos...it took us a couple tries to get it right but I think we finally got it
POWERFUL Order of the Green Hand
Part 3 of 117 was a hit!
Thank you
The line in the book where Bran asks if BR is the 3 eyed crow immediately jumped off the page at me and i was convinced from then on that they weren't the same people - on the strength of that alone.
As to exactly who/what the crow is? I couldn't say. But once again another thought provoking video! I'm not a fan of "Catelyn Sucks" vids but i really love what you guys are doing and hope you keep churning more vids out for the foreseeable future.
That conversation is what lead us to do all the digging for more information that we put into this video...as to the Catelyn Sucks videos...we simply dislike her character and she is so well respected amongst the ASOIAF readers and show watchers that we wanted to point out that she is a wrecking ball that makes every situation worse...plus videos on her are a welcomed reprieve from the incredibly dense material we have been working on to get our minds out of the fog with a video that is easier and more fun to make
Of course! As they say: "A change is as good as a rest".
these Bloodraven videos are mentally exhausting, so hating on Catelyn for a few days will be a very welcomed change of pace to get our batteries recharged so we can tackle more in depth topics
Hi, guys, I´ve enjoyed your vids. Lots of interesting stuff. As a side note, I´ve found interesting/symbolic/ telling that Bloodraven served 13 years as the Lord Commander of the Night´s Watch before disappearing, the same number of years that the Night´s King ruled with his wife. And, double side note, he also was the 13th Lord Commander. Probably nothing there, probably more layers of mistery. ;)
That is definitely interesting...thank you...every piece helps and I have been working on a theory that this might tie into
Coldhands and the 13 Commander are same person.
Yes!! Finally another video from you guys, can't wait to have your theorizing continued!!
Thank you for watching and sorry these Bloodraven videos take so long time to make....this one must have taken us 150 hours between us
I rather wait weeks in between videos and have sweet, thought-through videos like these! Take your sweet time guys, I would wait even double the time lol
Thank you...we realize that people want more videos but we just don't have enough time to do a video that we would believe in any faster than we do them, given that we both have real jobs, and we like to research every topic to death before we go forward with an idea to make sure we are not leaving anything out
Also, take a look into Norse mythology. Odin, the father god, who also has one eyes, like bloodravev and his one eye, has 2 ravens that travel the earth and bring him back knowledge of what is happening. George clearly mashes together religions and mythologies to create his world. I don't think it has one clear explanation, which is great if you are the type of person that is trying to create misdirection and mystery.
We had a whole bunch of Odin stuff as well as more text stuff but we were already at 24 minutes and it would have taken at least 10-15 more to incorporate all that...it's going to end up in one of our next videos that will tie BR back into the Wars to Come series
the only thing bout the evil children and bloodraven and bran i dont get is why the children would accept and protect bran and bloodraven when they know they could arguably be there worst enemy,, knowing much more of the children then other people. i thnk bloodraven actually managed to trick the children that hes working with them and furthering their goal, but like his charatcer is used to, he sacrificeed everything for the good of the kingdom/westeros.
agreed....Bloodraven is a very smart guy....he does a few other things, like sending bran dreams while he is there and not attached to the tree...we think that that is one of the ways he misleads the children into thinking he is playing ball, and he will eventually do something awe-inspiring that will help get Bran out of there
I don't know if you read this far back, but all this is great...add in that there's a theory that krakens are just Weirwood roots from shallow ocean...therefore further tying Crow's Eye to Faceless Men and Children of the Forest. This would mean that the Weirwoods in the sea are "The Drowned God" That which is dead may never die and ties in with Faceless Men "There is only 1 god the God of Death." Add in the Littlefinger is from Bravos and he has the third Stark pup under his tutelage and you'll see that the Starks have been pulled apart by the various factions of Death Which cannot be a coincidence. And each Stark is being trained by these facets of Death. Leaving Jon Snow the only unsoiled Stark(/Targaryen? George confirm this???)
The stuff you're saying does make sense, but if Bloodraven isn't the Three Eyed Crow, how does he know that the Crow was supposed to teach him to fly? Because the Weirwood doesn't do anything except "call" to Bran, right? I love your guy's videos, but if you're right, then literally everything and almost every character is a part of some conspiracy. Very fun to listen too, but a little far fetched.
Example of one of mental jumps: Hodor was afraid to enter the crypts==> the great other is there. I have to disagree here. Hodor was afraid of something but we don't know what that something/someone is.
Can you name something else that is different about this one particular time that Hodor was terrified of the crypts? I’m open to suggestions. The crows presence is the only thing I can think of that is different about this particular instance
what an amazing video! you two have out did yourselves with this one. Do you think Hodor didn't go down into the Crypt not because the G. Other was down there but he may have felt it's presence still lingering in Bran. Maybe Hodor saved the day again by keeping the G.O. out. Also with the Arya and the house of B/W. What is there plan for her? Every test they give her she fails in some way but yet they promote her. weird?
I think the G.O. was still down there...If Hodor could sense him and he was still in Bran, he likely would have refused to go near Bran, let alone carry him right up to the entrance of the crypts....Arya at the House of Black and White is coming very soon
very true
love the opening...you have outdone yourselves again!!
Thank you Tracy
it may just be in the show and not the book, but didn't the crows protect Sam while and after he killed the white walker. there where many of them perched on the wierwood tree and after slaying the white walker, they followed Sam and the wildling with child, either to protect, or watch. very interesting. there is soo much to this story. Thank you for what you do
thank you so much...Those were ravens that did that in the show
Great Job. Fun to listen to with coffee.
I am a firm believer that everything is better with coffee
Ravens are bringers of knowledge in Norse mythology too. I have always associated Bloodraven with Odin, they both have one eye and are referred to as raven gods. Odin is also often accompanied by wolves and now Bloodraven is accompanied by Bran who can warg into wolves.
We have a ton of Odin stuff that we couldn't get into that vid as it was already 28+ minutes and to cover the Odin part would have taken at least 7 or 8 more and we thought that would have made the video way too long
Nice to hear that someone else is seeing the similarities between them! By the way you make amazing videos, keep the great work going!
Thank you...we will
The Three-Eyed Crow is probably the power which controls the Whitewalkers. We know that some parts of the story were used in the show at its finale, we just don't know what bits. My theory is taken partly from Alt-Shift-X's new video about John snow, where the heroes do indeed go beyond the wall but this time to destroy the "Heart of Winter" - This being an ancient weirwood tree/network filled with spirits of the Children of the Forest that want revenge on Humanity for their downfall; the heroes could destroy this tree to end the Whitewalker threat for good. And just like Bloodraven has power over warging and visions, this Heart of Winter would also have the same powers, but it would use them to destroy humanity instead of saving it. This also explains some discrepancies between what Bloodraven is doing and what the 3-eyed crow is doing like why is Euron seeing visions of a 3-eyed crow to get/use the Horn of Winter. This could be explained by the Heart of Winter wanting to bring down the wall so they can begin a Whitewalker Invasion and the downfall of humanity. Also, it could explain why GRRM alluded to Bran becoming John's enemy, if John seeks to destroy the White Walkers as Azor Ahai, a manipulated Bran could try to stop John thinking he is seeing visions from Bloodraven but it's actually the Heart of Winter
In norse mythology Odins ravens names mean thought and memory. Also the 3 eyed crow is euron durr.
True.
Euron Crows Eye
I hear you about Catelyn sucks. .she is just as bad as her sister. She causes so much pain and did so much damage to so many....
agreed...and the worst part about it is she shows no remorse
Very different versions between books and show, but even in the show I always remember when she told Robs fiance what she felt Bran crippled as punishment by God's when she broke her vow to love Jon Snow when he almost died as child. She died in Gray hall thinking her family all gone...i believe part of stone heart cruelty was she caused her family downfall or thought she did...
after taking a close look at her character, we decided that the only thing the show and book versions have in common is the name and the places she goes
I hear you. Love your stuff, keep up the great work.
thank you
Highlight of my day, thanks!
glad we could be of service
Don’t let the haters get you guys down, let them say what they will it’s doesn’t matter. Every theory you’ve posted it indisputable in my eyes. I challenge anyone to disparage them, I’ve been reading the books non stop for the past three years and everything seems to line up. Just because these other theorist have been studying this since the AGOT came out they flame content theft. Bugger that i say, your theories may coincide and parallel existing theories but why can’t those theories be modified and expanded upon, or readjusted completely? People are cunts. I’m with you two.
Thanks for the content i await your videos everyday hoping each Monday I’ll see a new one coming that week. Even with your hiatuses, i still patiently wait.
I agree. I saw some post on r/asoiaf or r/freefolk cant remember, about the Order and people in the comments were only mindlessly hating on them. Bunch of fools lol the Order of the Green Hand is probably the best ASOIAF theory channel, the other channels like Alt Shift X etc. are just copying popular asoiaf theories that have been on the internet for years/decades. On the other hand the Order is making their own theories and actually analyzing every word in those novels.
@@Ignisan_66 I can’t watch alt shift x because they use show version of characters instead of official/fan art pictures
Telling who is holding each side on that cave is pretty hard. Congrats on putting this together, guys. Now let's go Tully that bitch!
hahahahahahaha....thank you....we're looking forward to it
So, is Quaithe also associated with "The Great Other"? Because she can also visit people in their dreams.
we're going to do a video on her eventually but I will say that she is evil
Doesn't Bran try to kill the Crow in one of his dreams? Jojen says he can't kill the Crow because Bran himself is the Crow.
That happened in the show. I can't remember it happening in the books
You two are incredible researchers to spot the similarities you point out in seemingly innocuous story lines. GRRM should hire you to finish this series so it will continue to have his attention to detail. I missed most of these connections--possibly all of them.
Thanks for all your hard work!!!
Thank you so much for watching
Fantastic analysis.
I'm convinced Blood Raven is nothing but a puppet. Not sure who's pulling the strings.
Future Bran.
0:36 what does Sorin Markov from Magic: the Gathering have to do with it?
I just finished all your video. Great stuff!
Thank you
can you specify which cultures believe the third eye is a portal for demons? I would truly love to read more about this. thank you
western lore as a general rule all sees it that way...in India it can be seen as a portal for knowledge but it can be dangerous because it leaves you susceptible to evil spirits
Great video. I love this series on Bloodraven!
thank you
Let Chiffre would have been AWESOME as Euron! Never heard of possibility of Brynden Rivers is actually not the 3 eyed crow in Bran's dreams. You guys certainly put crazies out there and I love it!! Yay more Catelyn I can't wait.
Speaking of Euron, his sample chapter truly gave me chills. It's like GRRM wants to definitely drive the fact that he is despicable. What always lingered in my mind is the scene when he sits on the throne with all the God relics impaled except the tree...
I just read that yesterday and noticed the same thing
Yay for more "why catelyn sucks"!! Love these videos even though I don't always agree with your theories.
thanks!
Loving the weirwood series. Something to ponder, it seems likely that past Starks would have known that weirwoods absorb a person's memories and self. So, there is definitely a reason the Stark lords were buried in crypts instead of near their sacred trees. What is the secret that Stark lords passed down through generations that they did not want the trees to know?
We personally think that Starks have been members of the Order of the Green Hand and the likely leaders of it since the field of fire and wanted the knowledge of it kept secret from their ancient enemies
i think it would be hard to do. i would recommend that people who had not seen the show or read the books do either one or the other not simultaneously. the two will start to blend and you forget terms like crow and ravens are distinct. you two are awesome. my queen of love and beauty and my homeboy, the Knight of the mind. good work
That is a conversation we have almost once a day...we are constantly asking each other if something happened in the book or the show or both
Great vid again. First time. there's that scary line where Euron is talking about an heir where he says an hero worth of Him.. right away I went to the Great Other. This would be like a horcrux of the G.O. Lol
Thank you...love the Harry Potter reference
Do you guys see any parallels between the spirit of the 3 eyed crow getting Bran to take the physical crow into the crypts, and the night king getting Jon to bring wights through the wall? Neither could readily access a location, so they used a Stark to take them where they needed to go. It makes me think the Starks have magical blood that allows 'death' to pass through the safeguards of man intended to block it. I also have to wonder if the gargoyles at the entrance to the crypts were some sort of barrier for the crow's body to access the spirit.
Also, doesn't Bran attempt to open Jon's 3rd eye in a dream, by using a tree branch to tap his head as the crow used it's beak on Bran? I've always found that interesting.
Ashley of Naath Very interesting, which book does that happen?
Guess Who I want to say the first time Bran speaks to Jon through a tree is in ACOK. But I feel like there was another time they connected later, where Bran is a tree and Jon is Ghost. I just can't recall which book.
what further proves the Order's point w/this is Bran mentions his 3rd eye not being open until the crow, then Ghost sniffs the tree and senses death, and doesn't like it.
Ashley of Naath Awesome, thanks...you've given me something to research tonight 😊
Guess Who oh don't thank me, thank the Order. They put together a video which helped me recall a memory I wouldn't have otherwise thought of haha. That's why I love this channel; they provide a great forum for GOT discourse that gets everyone thinking and bouncing ideas around.
Is the Great other just a saying or do u think there will be a physical great other
Similar to the NIght King from the show ?
We kinda have mixed feelings. Some part of me looks at it and sees the potential for an Other that is greater than the rest of them, while also seeing the possibility that he’s some evil darkness and death god we’ll never see. There’s a third possibility we thought of a few months ago that we haven’t had time to fully flush out too but as such it’s nowhere near ready to share
love love love your videos and theories keep up the great work guys can't wait for your next installment of Catlin xxx
Thank you...we can't wait either
Love the video!! Keep it up!
Thank you...we will
Do you think that the "Night Queen" who fought Brandon the Breaker and created the book version of "The Night King" was just a human catspaw of the Crow like Bran, Littlefinger and Doran, or was she something else? And if so, do you think we'll see her like again in "Winds of Winter"?
Love it, keeps getting better
That was exceptionally good you must of put so much time into it thankyou
this one took like 150 hours to put together
I was wondering your thoughts on Coldhands and his statement that the Three-eyed Crow is the last Greenseer in ADWD? Is Coldhands an instrument of the Great Other?
this is one of my favorite OOTGH videos, you guys put so much thought into everything with these videos, and are some of the most logical tin foil hat wearers out there in the ASOIAF lol, this video is one that I have a feeling will end up being dead-on, which in a way is awesome bc now I feel like I know a secret, but also a bummer bc now i know what's gonna happen before the books out, lol..... oh and I love the intro music you guys have, it fits the mood I feel like I get into every time I watch one of your videos haha
thank you so much Pamela...haven't seen you in here for a while...glad to see your name pop up again
You guys know I love your videos, lol, it's good to see you're gaining the following you deserve, and I love the way you guys are progressing with the channel!! I've been with my family a lot for some health issues, but I still watch every video! They're one of the only notifications I'm happy about getting these days :o)
Thank you...sorry to hear about your family...that's never fun...hope everything gets taken care of...
Love these videos. Awesome theories guys.
Thank you
In Italian we have only one word for "Crow" and "Raven". That makes things A LITTLE confusing in the translation.
I find this interesting! Since the scientific names are latin; corvus corax being the raven and Corvus brachyrhynchos being the (american at least) crow.
Any change I can get the reference for Bran's chapter where he has the dream where both the Weirwood AND the Crow are present?
Thanks a lot!
As someone getting into your channel, it's really hard to follow a series of your videos. Can you add part numbers in the title?
Just follow the playlist
¿ so do you think the three eye crow is in jons dreams of the winterfell crypts? jon always pulls out of those dreams almost as he is fighting with the dream that he should not be going down there in them. i know jon doesnt see the crow but maybe he has a stronger mental block whereas bran can be influenced and tricked more as he has to open up those blocks to use his green seer abilities ?