I said this before and I’m going to say it again, man I wish I was way younger. I’d move to your area just to be taught the trade by you. Your son is more fortunate than he probably realizes. You are a consummate professional Daniel. Thank you for imparting your wisdom and values to whoever is wise enough to watch. 👍🙌
@@PowellCams don’t sell yourself short brother. You’re a rare breed. Very intelligent, very hard working and good moral compass. This world can learn a lot from you! And not just about machine work.! God Bless you my friend. And thank you.
I realise you're not one to blow your own trumpet Dan, but that there is greatness personified. Every time I watch whatever it is you're working on I can clearly see your setting the bar higher and higher. Excellent stuff. Cheers and thanks for sharing.
I’m glad that you started a second channel dedicated solely to camshaft work. I hope to learn some stuff 👍🏻 grinding elliptical lobes, each one needing to be ground as precisely as possible in a different position from the others, is a lot to wrap my brain around 😅
Amazing work. I never thought it would recover from that bend. It's nice to see someone who actually knows how to repair things in our throwaway society.
Great job. Patience and skill wins the day. Amazing results from what many would have given up on. I hope those guys got that motor back in on time to make the race.
😂 no lives lost during this episode, only thing lost was time on the clock and another great video of patients and experience. Daniel you are amazing, sometimes you're so amazing you surprise yourself ❤
Whackamole looks like the perfect description of that task , a hell of a lot of work went into that . Persistence and skill paid off ,congratulations on another masterclass .
I love Ponchos, and you just don't see a lot of hard core ones much nowadays.... What am awesome job fixing that cam! Thanks for the video, learned something today.
Advice: you may try putting a dial indicator under the part vertically touching the bottom of the part, then you know exactly the force required to start yielding it. Then sneak up on the bending to straight. I straighten chrome rods from hydraulic cylinders , same sort of deal . Cheers
Wow, if the bearing surface was out that far I would think a rod let go and went into that cam bearing bore webbing. . I would think it broke the block. Ouch. Nice job saving it.
Put a dial indicator UNDER what you are pressing. That way you can see how much travel you are pressing. After a few times, you will see how much "spring" distance you have. Any pressing beyond that spring distance, will result in actual distance bent. In other words, measure the elastic deformation, press past that distance, and you will bend in the plastic deformation region. I have a 25 ton KR Wilson press, and use an indicator for stuff like this, quite often. ----Doozer
Man. Straightening metal that hard definitely takes some patience and skill. I know you have to go slightly past to end up where you want and that's hard to judge. Using that peening method to fine adjust is really neat. I don't think I ever seen that done. Nice job! Great content as always.
And another thing is when I finally get out to visit you and watch your amazing experience working I'm going to go behind your back and fix all them air leaks for you 😊😊
We have a press at work for stuff like that. It is actually a screw ram so you have a lot of control and we put an indicator under the shaft to see how far we are pushing it.
They probably needed a slide hammer to get it out of the bearings, that was bent like a wet noodle. Eric's LS cam challenge should be interesting if it happens.
I guess any kind of feedback is good for the algorithm, but it really stretches my brain to try to understand why this video has even 2 dislikes (currently). Awesome stuff.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thanks for sharing and educating the machinists out here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,amazing man made alloy that steel is..........how it moves,,,,,the elasticity,,,,,,,,,same with the billet crankshafts,,,,,,,in a race engine ; the punishing harmonic induced stresses ; all that flexing.............I was told by an old friend ; that some engine balancers ; will balance the timing chain sprockets,,,,,,,,,I never heard that before.....................
I was wondering though when you were thinking about having to turn down that journal near the nose and have them use an undersized cam bearing, wouldn't they have issues getting the other slightly larger journals through that bearing on the install? I realize that did not need to happen after you massaged it enough, but could not envision how that would have worked out including installing the bearing cam in place just would create an issue also in the attempt to remove the cam from the block again. Is there something I am missing perchance?
Nice work Daniel. I know straightening a camshaft that bad could be a challenge for sure. I consider a bad cam .010/.012 bad. Of course I seen worse, but nothing like that. Seen some pretty bad crankshafts. Do you ever have to mag camshafts? Thanks for sharing, awesome work.👍👍🇺🇸
How much real time u have in a job like this?.....seems like it would be hard to make any money... I gett the goosebumps part tho........some serious satisfaction in repairing something others say cant be repaired....
@@PowellCams your comment is a bit cryptic. Maybe you don’t like my sense of humor. But here are some facts. I was making some quite large parts out of aluminum 5/8 plate 6061-T6. They would warp after machining so I straightened them in the press. To keep from going too far I put a dial indicator on them, bend them a little and if they came back to the same place I bent them a little more. Once I found the elastic limit I could bend them the amount they were warped beyond that point and bring them right in.
@@PowellCams So did you consider my method? With the setup you had a dial indicator directly under the pressure point could save you a lot of guesswork. Dig a couple of flat tappet cams out of the scrap pile and try it.
Is it possible to ground a modern roller negative ramp profile with a machine like this? I think they are using a small diameter grounding wheel and cnc to make it.
Very few designers are using inverse radios designs on pushrod engine's, it was a big deal "back in the day", but it' pretty much run it's course, most swinging foller designs have a inverse rad on one side but normally I could still grind it.
@@optimumperformance6998i am wondering if they put a slide hammer on it and pulled the front cam bearing with it. Once the front bearing was gone it should have come out normally
Pontiacs V8's are odd. The forward cylinder is on the passenger side, and is actually cylinder number 2 in the firing order. Yes the first 2 lobes are exhaust.
I don't suppose I would have been brave enough to try the press without a priest, a rabbi and at least two Buddhists present. Would have been a 500lb Olympic dead-lift.. for my sphincter 😅
@@jmflournoy386 I am an eye surgeon. High speed grinding tools account for more than half of the injuries and they are very common. I probably see over 50 per year.
I hope the customer realizes what you actually did! A race coming coming up and you actually got it fixed. I don't know what I would do in that situation. Hat off to you
So I’m all for fixing stuff, but if that cam got wacked by a rod! It shouldn’t be reused! When the cam breaks, it usually tears up the whole block! They also need to check the cam tunnel, because Pontiacs are known to be way off! I hope it doesn’t break!
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I said this before and I’m going to say it again, man I wish I was way younger. I’d move to your area just to be taught the trade by you. Your son is more fortunate than he probably realizes. You are a consummate professional Daniel. Thank you for imparting your wisdom and values to whoever is wise enough to watch. 👍🙌
I appreciate that!! But if I can do it anymore can!!,
@@PowellCams don’t sell yourself short brother. You’re a rare breed. Very intelligent, very hard working and good moral compass. This world can learn a lot from you! And not just about machine work.! God Bless you my friend. And thank you.
@@kennethkreider8698 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,amen.........................................................................
Your right! Daniel has something very few automotive machinists have today - PRIDE!
Me too!! Pack up! I'm coming!!.
I realise you're not one to blow your own trumpet Dan, but that there is greatness personified. Every time I watch whatever it is you're working on I can clearly see your setting the bar higher and higher. Excellent stuff. Cheers and thanks for sharing.
We really appreciate that 🙏, I love doing this stuff, it gives me goosebumps!
@@PowellCams imagine what it does to other 'automotive engineers' your way out there on your own mate, awesome stuff.
I’m glad that you started a second channel dedicated solely to camshaft work. I hope to learn some stuff 👍🏻 grinding elliptical lobes, each one needing to be ground as precisely as possible in a different position from the others, is a lot to wrap my brain around 😅
@@robertwest3093 ty for watching!!
Amazing work. I never thought it would recover from that bend. It's nice to see someone who actually knows how to repair things in our throwaway society.
We try hard!, some stuff just works out!, ty we appreciate that 🙏
Great job. Patience and skill wins the day. Amazing results from what many would have given up on. I hope those guys got that motor back in on time to make the race.
Thank you!, we appreciate u supporting our channel
I am in Rock Hill, born and raised, and it is so nice to hear proper southern english!
Tyvm!
😂 no lives lost during this episode, only thing lost was time on the clock and another great video of patients and experience. Daniel you are amazing, sometimes you're so amazing you surprise yourself ❤
@@ericstalker7973 If we could just get my wife to believe that....lol, seriously, ty I really do appreciate that!
You have amazing talent. Congrats on making it so that person can race!
Definitely, we really enjoy a challenge, ty
Whackamole looks like the perfect description of that task , a hell of a lot of work went into that . Persistence and skill paid off ,congratulations on another masterclass .
Thank you sir! We try very hard to do a good job!
Amazing things happen when engines come apart. Crazy it bent that much so close to bearing journal.😮
Definitely
That was an impressive demonstration of knowledge, skill, and patience.
Mostly patience 😌
That was all informative. So much to observe from a master. No price for experience..
Glad it was helpful!
Nice job. Made the best out of a bad situation. Kudos.
No doubt!
I love Ponchos, and you just don't see a lot of hard core ones much nowadays.... What am awesome job fixing that cam! Thanks for the video, learned something today.
You bet!
Always a master class in automotive machinist practice.
😊 tyvm
I didn't know you had another channel. Good for me! I am on. Keep up the good work. Yes, very educational. Never seen it done before.
@@molivroman9806 ty!!
Pontiac finally started making nice looking cars again and then went under..... Good save man
Lol, yep
Advice: you may try putting a dial indicator under the part vertically touching the bottom of the part, then you know exactly the force required to start yielding it. Then sneak up on the bending to straight. I straighten chrome rods from hydraulic cylinders , same sort of deal . Cheers
@PhaseConverterampV my crank straightener has a ind built-in, but need to make something for doing this
That’s the kind of knowledge that only hands on and time can get you.
@@wreckum56 facts!!
I wasn't a bit scared when you had the cam in the press. 😊
@@shadetreemechanicracing22 lol, a few times I was....
Wow, if the bearing surface was out that far I would think a rod let go and went into that cam bearing bore webbing. . I would think it broke the block. Ouch. Nice job saving it.
They confirmed a rod broke
I always enjoy seeing what people do when a new auto part is not so easy to get.
Mother of invention is necessity
Great work. Amazing repair! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching! We appreciate that 🙏
Put a dial indicator UNDER what you are pressing. That way you can see how much travel you are pressing. After a few times, you will see how much "spring" distance you have. Any pressing beyond that spring distance, will result in actual distance bent. In other words, measure the elastic deformation, press past that distance, and you will bend in the plastic deformation region. I have a 25 ton KR Wilson press, and use an indicator for stuff like this, quite often. ----Doozer
My crank press has that, but this was a first, so we will make something dedicated
amazing :)
I used to straighten my dixie chopper blades up in the press, then I decided to start buying good blades :)
💯
Incredible Dan, you and your team are awesome thank you
Ty! We really appreciate that
Man. Straightening metal that hard definitely takes some patience and skill. I know you have to go slightly past to end up where you want and that's hard to judge. Using that peening method to fine adjust is really neat. I don't think I ever seen that done. Nice job! Great content as always.
I appreciate that 🙏
When you said that cam was 0.067 out because of being hit, I can't believe you got it back to spec. Awesome work!😊
That makes 2 of us..... 😊 🙏 ty
And another thing is when I finally get out to visit you and watch your amazing experience working I'm going to go behind your back and fix all them air leaks for you 😊😊
@@ericstalker7973 lol, I got a few.....
I am impressed every episode.
Tyvm!
Awesome! That should be a very happy customer!
Hope so!
We have a press at work for stuff like that. It is actually a screw ram so you have a lot of control and we put an indicator under the shaft to see how far we are pushing it.
I have 1 for cranks, but it's to big for cams, I'm going to build a little press for cams, it will be much simpler
They probably needed a slide hammer to get it out of the bearings, that was bent like a wet noodle. Eric's LS cam challenge should be interesting if it happens.
Absolutely
BFH Machining. I would have never thought this was doable.
Lol 💯
That's something you don't see every day. SHAZAM!
💯
I guess any kind of feedback is good for the algorithm, but it really stretches my brain to try to understand why this video has even 2 dislikes (currently). Awesome stuff.
Always gonna have haters, it's part of life....
Thanks for the video.
@@paulshurmon138 you are welcome!
that was an outstanding tweak Dan. I thought it was scrap
Absolutely, me to
That is magical experience! You are awesome.
Thank you so much! We try hard
The miracle cam i am sure it will make more H.P.
Kit from down under
💯
You’re going to put new pages in the OSHA manual!😂😂😂
Lol
Not doubt you can fix it!
We appreciate that 🙏
I thought you were going to lump my Olds in with, a little odd Pontiacs and Buicks. We may be old but we ain't slow.. ;)
We get multiple requests a week for buick and pontiac rollers, we get about 2 requests a year for Olds.
ever feel likr your chasing your tailing lol
Most day's
Daniel....your 9000 ISO Certified....😂😂😂😂
@@stuartsullenbarger2023 absolutely...and six sigma lean also.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thanks for sharing and educating the machinists out here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,amazing man made alloy that steel is..........how it moves,,,,,the elasticity,,,,,,,,,same with the billet crankshafts,,,,,,,in a race engine ; the punishing harmonic induced stresses ; all that flexing.............I was told by an old friend ; that some engine balancers ; will balance the timing chain sprockets,,,,,,,,,I never heard that before.....................
@@ThomasELeClair yeah, definitely amazing stuff
That's insane. I wonder how much the Integrity of the metal was compromised. And I wonder how much the Cam bore in the block with jacked up
The matl fine, the bore is fine, the cam bearings , not so much
Can you please apply the blueing to the lobes before you grind them so we can visually see where it hits. It would make a great visual.
Noted!
Necessity is the mother of invention. You just invented your own process of straightening a FUBAR cam.
Lol, definitely
@@PowellCams straightening with a hammer was cool. When I saw it in the hydraulic press, you meant business
I'd be afraid the air hammer could damage the dial indicator. I'd take the dial off the cam before whacking it. great work though.
@martin-vv9lf I buy cheap one's just for this purpose, they actually last a long time
I was a tiny bit leery for you while pressing next to that big ol' sheet glass storefront window, but great job all around.
I was wondering though when you were thinking about having to turn down that journal near the nose and have them use an undersized cam bearing, wouldn't they have issues getting the other slightly larger journals through that bearing on the install?
I realize that did not need to happen after you massaged it enough, but could not envision how that would have worked out including installing the bearing cam in place just would create an issue also in the attempt to remove the cam from the block again.
Is there something I am missing perchance?
Install it from the rear
Nice work Daniel.
I know straightening a camshaft that bad could be a challenge for sure.
I consider a bad cam .010/.012 bad.
Of course I seen worse, but nothing like that.
Seen some pretty bad crankshafts.
Do you ever have to mag camshafts?
Thanks for sharing, awesome work.👍👍🇺🇸
I haven't seen one crack, I have magged some, ty ed!
I heard the Jeep L-134 and F-134 crank is crack prone.
Thry straighten camshafts at engine power components everyday, not a big deal.
I would not want that job
Nifty!
Ty
Well done. Wonder how many people come back now and say it can't be done. The armchair experts will have to find something else about to criticize.
Lol, definitely
How much real time u have in a job like this?.....seems like it would be hard to make any money...
I gett the goosebumps part tho........some serious satisfaction in repairing something others say cant be repaired....
Hr labor at shop rate to straighten, and 170.00 to regrind, roughly 300.00, that's probably 60% of a new one if it were available
Eric Weingartener has a camshaft challenge going on. If that would be something that you would be interested in?
Yep, I already spoke with him, we are going to give it a try
@@PowellCams good luck. Be interesting to see what the parameters are.
I am from Rock Hill S.C., so we will be pulling for ya!!
@@randallmason9687 ty
@@PowellCamsi figured you'd probably have a half dozen cams sitting on a shelf that would work.
Wow.
Ty
I got a little scared there on the press. I had to stop the video and put on a face shield and flack jacket. 😁😁
@@sjcottsi 💯 facts
@@PowellCams your comment is a bit cryptic. Maybe you don’t like my sense of humor. But here are some facts. I was making some quite large parts out of aluminum 5/8 plate 6061-T6. They would warp after machining so I straightened them in the press. To keep from going too far I put a dial indicator on them, bend them a little and if they came back to the same place I bent them a little more. Once I found the elastic limit I could bend them the amount they were warped beyond that point and bring them right in.
@sjcottsi no, I was agreeing, I should be safer!
@@PowellCams So did you consider my method? With the setup you had a dial indicator directly under the pressure point could save you a lot of guesswork. Dig a couple of flat tappet cams out of the scrap pile and try it.
@sjcottsi you can only to it with steel, but like I said, my crank press has a ind built in, I just need to build a dedicated press for cams
Is it possible to ground a modern roller negative ramp profile with a machine like this? I think they are using a small diameter grounding wheel and cnc to make it.
Very few designers are using inverse radios designs on pushrod engine's, it was a big deal "back in the day", but it' pretty much run it's course, most swinging foller designs have a inverse rad on one side but normally I could still grind it.
@@PowellCams Thank You for the answer
Great job! I just wanna know how ya get a cam thats bent .070" out of the block??
Big hammer....
Well, the block might be in more than one piece after a failure, lol. That may be why the front was buggered up, trying to get it out.
What was the old base circle and what is the new one
Thanks for sharing
Was 1.013, it's 1.000 now
Probably a dumb question but if the first journal is undersized .010" how do get get the bigger journal past it when installing?
@@lazyhoundracing9621 install it from the rear
@@PowellCams Thanks I didn't know you could do that. Does that mean you can't put a smaller bearing only in the middle?
Do y’all give the customer a new cam card specific to the regrind?
Absolutely
It's hard to believe it can even bend that much in place. Something awful must have happened to that thing, but it sure doesn't look like it.
A rod got it
@PowellCams they probably had to press the cam out of the block 😅
@@optimumperformance6998i am wondering if they put a slide hammer on it and pulled the front cam bearing with it. Once the front bearing was gone it should have come out normally
Man, we gonna mess around and save this thang!
100%
Im surprised the #1 lobe is not one of the front 2 lobes. Isnt the #1 cylinder usually the farthest one forward.
The first lobeis the #1exh, the 3rd lobe is the #1int
@@PowellCams Im used to straight six cylinders. Lol
Pontiacs V8's are odd. The forward cylinder is on the passenger side, and is actually cylinder number 2 in the firing order. Yes the first 2 lobes are exhaust.
guess they had to knock that thing out with a big hammer
No doubt
And I thought you were brave doing that with the air hammer.
Lol
I don't suppose I would have been brave enough to try the press without a priest, a rabbi and at least two Buddhists present. Would have been a 500lb Olympic dead-lift.. for my sphincter 😅
Lol
yeah i have a lot of respect and fear when using my hydraulic press, i have seen things fly.
Eye protection?
Well..... it's a bad habit
@@PowellCams I had a steel shard taken out of my eye, you do not want that
@@jmflournoy386 I am an eye surgeon. High speed grinding tools account for more than half of the injuries and they are very common. I probably see over 50 per year.
He had his squinters on...😎
I witnessed he had safety squints engaged.
Daniel. It. Wouldn't. Matter. Unless. It. Had. Roller. Bearings. Im. Jus. Askin. U. Da. Man. C'mon
@@paulbaker655 what wouldn't matter?
I hope the customer realizes what you actually did! A race coming coming up and you actually got it fixed. I don't know what I would do in that situation. Hat off to you
Ty, we try hard!
Ty, we try hard!
Hey Dan,do u watch Weingartner Racing?
Yes
@@PowellCams Jump in that Cam Competition.
@@rickyfulks6656he's in it!
I’d like to see you grind a cam for his contest! Oh and take next Sunday off…
@@JamesBower-l9d lol, ty
So I’m all for fixing stuff, but if that cam got wacked by a rod! It shouldn’t be reused! When the cam breaks, it usually tears up the whole block! They also need to check the cam tunnel, because Pontiacs are known to be way off! I hope it doesn’t break!
Ty for your thoughts on it.