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Ask Alabama: Why are there swastikas on the Jefferson County Courthouse?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2017
- Small swastikas are included on the outside of the Jefferson County Courthouse in Birmingham, AL. Why are they there and what do they mean?
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Basically those aren't swastikas. The Nazi symbol is actually the same design but turned 45 degrees. This symbol is the opposite of what swastikas represent.
Maxwell Barnhart exactly
Maxwell Barnhart but liberals don't understand that nor care. They want them down
That's a very good answer.. the native Americans have used them as well
Maxwell Barnhart you don't really know what's going on, do you? The swastika is found in places like India because of an ancient (8000bce) tribe of people called the Aryans, or Indo-Europeans who conquered and built cultures from Ireland to Iran. In fact both of those places translate and mean " The land of Aryans". This had been proven by population genetic studies, historical/religious records (the Hindu Vedas), and archeology. The reason that the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi was literally a propaganda slur coined by a new York journalist) used it was because it was an ancient symbol of European peoples. The reason it is turned at an angle is to represent motion, and it is "flipped" to have it "coming" from the "right" is because the NSDAP was a reactionary position against Communism (a politically leftist ideology) which had already killed tens of millions of Christian Europeans simply because they were Christian and European. This is because the founding government after the Bolshevik Revolution was essentially an "Ethnically Jewish Revolution" as was mentioned by US spies in Russia, and openly admitted by the modern Russian Government. I hope this shed some light on the history of the Swastika, it's use in Europe during the interwar period , and worldwide use.
Patrick Snavely
Before hitler one of our army divisions had the swastika as their symbol. Tribute to a tribe that used it.
Swastika is originally used in European Slavic folklore and including Asian folklore as well.
Thomas Falkowski the swastika was created in Egypt.
oohwee oohwee Egypt was likely an Indo-European civilization, and King Tut's DNA test reveals he was 70% northwestern European, and 30% Turkish. Although neither of those current genetic grouping names were relevant, or necessarily found in the places they are now.
Eric Bristor Egypt was not an indo European civilization, they’re haplogroup E, a very old y dna branch. Indo Europeans are haplogroup R. Egypt however was conquered by different people and that explaines the r1b and j component.
This is more of an example of independent evolution
__ SidImightbe right on, thanks for adding to the conversation.
It's literally found in cultures all over the world. It's a universal symbol. Nobody owns or invented it.
Us Indians have been using the symbol for thousands of years. It is considered auspicious and the cultural link with is very strong. Banning the swastika serves no purpose. If Hitler used films to spread anti Semitic propaganda, would films be ever banned?
America which has harboured so many cultural symbols from across the world should not shut its doors on Swastika.
Shivam Shukla I agree, there is such a unique interconnectedness between many ancient cultures throughout the European and Asian world that we still are learning about, and to allow rabble-rousers to squash shared history and heritage is the real crime. History should be continuously investigated and preserved. This iconoclastic modus operandi is a sure ticket to forgetting who we were, who we are, and who we could be.
Shivam Shukla Not only did Hitler use the swastika because he thought it meant victory but Northern India is home to Aryans and the symbol is heavily in the Aryan racial area, Iran, Northern India and Arabias perhaps even Egypt.
Napist Individualist it is ironic that non-white foreigners are more accepting of reality than most White Western people. Hitler also was instrumental in India becoming free of the British Empire.
Josh Jones Swastika symbolises auspiciousness, hence is frequently drawn during Diwali and other Indian festivals. We even draw it at every new beginning, hence people often draw it on their automobiles etc right after they buy it.
The red dot version is shown in this video too. Its valid with or without dots. Hindi is a language spoken in northern India and hence Hindi speaker are highly likely to rever Swastika.
Napist Individualist Hitler assumed that it represented Aryans and appropriated the symbol in his fascist expedition. Swastika has been an unnecessary collateral damage.
Sad thing is people need to abhor what Hitler truly represented- fascism, jingoism, racism, hatred etc and not his outward symbols and commodities like Volkswagen, Fanta and Swastika.
The funny thing is, swastikas have literally never been bad. The symbol that the Nazi party used was *NOT* A swastika. It was actually a hakenkruez that was used by Nazi Germany. The swastika starting from the top had arms that go to the right, while a Nazi hakencruez is tilted 45° and has arms going to the left. Furthermore, similar symbols can be seen all arround the world and predate the Nazi party by about 5,000 years.
Austin Massey they didn't always tilt.
Jacob Garcia every Nazi swastika/ hakenkruez had a 45° tilt
Ctrl Alt Del to my knowledge it literally wasn't even called a swastika. I know there are tons of variations of the symbol, and they also all have different names. (For the most part at least)
Look we have a know it all
Seriously? Noone sees anything remotely disturbingly Orwellian about people wanting to literally deface pieces of history in order to accomplish a VERY contemporary mindset? Is it really that hard to see???
What's with people having a fetish for getting rid of history?
I agree with you. That's why I've never put time into reading the bible, who knows what's been changed over the centuries?
dont change history
the swastika didnt represent anti semiticism to the nazis it represented indo-duestch civilization
I’m from Birmingham and have always asked this question
The biggest problem with the way many people react to the ancient religious symbol many people now call The Swastika is they don't note the variations between the form as used in most ancient cultures and that used by the Nazi regime. Note in the symbol on the Jefferson County Courthouse the main cross is vertical with a horizontal cross and the end pieces run to the left of the main cross piece - this is the sauwastika. Yet the symbol the Nazi regime used had the two cross pieces at a 45 degree angle and the end pieces ran to the right - the swastika. Two very different symbols with very different histories, yet many people confuse them with each other.
Wow this means a lot considering Huey long was the governor who commissioned this building .
That's the Manji sign, not the Swasitka
Can we replace it with an equally controversial Pepe frog?
George Ramsey Praise Kek
The Khong Hu Cu Temple near my home has lots of svastikas
In western architecture. the swastika or 'rolling wave' when they are side by side in a row, is a Greek motif that was 'rediscovered' in the neoclassical movement. There are versions of is all over western architectural history until Hitler. It is also a prevalent symbol in the east, particularly Tibet.
Most people dont think before they speak.
cause it’s Alabama
The symbol also meant peace in India
*”oh shit that was there?”*
wait what? i’ve been past here so many times...
The thing with swastikas is like when you and your friends have smth you love but then the weird creepy kid says he loves it too and ruins everything
The Swastika used by Hitler’s Nazi Germany were tiled in a 45 degree angle. Swastikas made that aren’t titled like that are not related to Nazi Germany. As non-titled Swastikas have been used for thousands of years as you said from Asia to the Americas.
In french we differentiate swastikas from its nazi version (tilted 45° to the right). It's called "Croix gammée".
The fact u tell me not do it makes want do it even more.
Actually it also represents a Indian tribe also
Answer: no one remodeled over it
Swastikas are actually an ancient symbol used by many religions and cultures. Native Americans and Buddhists being two of them. The Nazis highjacked the symbol for their own use. Saw them on a Buddhist temple in jungle while in Vietnam.
You don't have to take them down. Just cover them. Cost? About tree fiddy.
The part about "don't be a dummy" is complete bullshit.
We should learn from history not erase it. Leave them up teach people the history of the symbol and what happened after so it doesn’t happen again
Roving Raven did ya intentionally miss the point of this?
Yeah so this is basically if I engraved my house with ovals (don't know why anyone would do that, but just roll with it), and then ISIS decided that their new logo is actually the oval.
It’s history. We should keep them.
It isn't a " Nazi Symbol". It isn't just found in Asia, it originated there, and is still used a good bit. It is in use today, so, there is no taking it back.
sammy wright it is not really possible to say it originated in Asia, as it is found globally. It is also worth mentioning that a lot of cultures in Asia were influenced by the Indo-Europeans, or Aryans. Siddhartha, the founder of Buddhism was described as fair haired and blue eyed. The Vedas tell of the Aryans that came from the northwest, and founded the Hindu culture. You have to go back a few more thousand years to get a more complete picture of its history.
Cool Story. You should travel more.
sammy wright I'd love to. You should too. Everyonr should. What has that got to do with anything? Or was that attempted argumentation? Are you implying that going places gives you more understanding of the archeological record? Or is world history learned through osmosis of sorts? It sounds like you're just being a cowardly, and smarmy douchebag because you can't come up with a retort that doesn't sound plucked out of a contemporary media personality that's approved by the military/pharmaceutical/financial industrial complex.
Eric Bristor Lol. I wonder what bullshit you have been reading. Ever stopped to think why would such an advanced culture go to the lengths of travelling to an unknown part of the world and set up such an advanced civilization? There is no evidence of this rich culture in the west, at all. The west was in its primitive ages when civilization was flourishing in South Asia. One of the first mutations that resulted in blue eyes originated in South Asia. Also, don't claim to know what is written in the Vedas if you can't read and interpret Sanskrit, because there are a lot of false interpretations that have been conveniently floating around since WW2, all thanks to Hitler's fascination with our culture and him funding scientists to study Sanskrit and the Vedas in order to use the interpretation to their advantage by claiming the origin of our rich and complex culture, by peddling the Aryan Invasion theory in order to project "White" people as the ultimate race. The Vedas is where Hitler stole and appropriated his "Aryan" idea from, in the first place, which is in fact a gross misrepresentation of the original context in which the content was written.
Sunny K reading modern archeological records. Time to freshen up,the Indo-Europeans were a tribe from the pontic steppes of Southern Ukraine. Sorry. You're just out of date.
Al.com takes self loathing to a new level.
Why? Cause swastika means peace
That's not even a swastika that's the nudist symbol though
It was a good luck charm.
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You can easily where a shirt with the Hindu Swastika in India.
Bruce V Obviously, because the symbol has a very positive meaning in India.
Sunny K yeah, the person who made this video thinks the West is the center of the universe and that the swastika has been completely high jacked by the Nazis, never to return to it's original meaning.
Alabama.. That explains it.
The Nazi one is turned 45 degrees. So if it's not turned it's a fine.
I don‘t get what Swastikas have to do with racism, they represent lot‘s of things but not rly racism, maybe by Neo Nazis
That symbol was used by native Americans .
I'm sick of the people saying "don't get rid of the swastika, it's not racist!" It isn't racist as much as the hammer and sickle isn't communist. Noo, guys, don't get rid of the hammer and sickle! It represents worker's rights!! Right? Shouldn't we defend ALL symbols, or are we going to have to pick and choose which ones?
It is in honour of peaceful german Buddhist converts.
Not Nazi swastikas
Were the architects and builders of the Jefferson County Alabama courthouse Democrats? Almost certainly in Alabama in the 1920s they were. This was the era of the progressive. The Progressive Democrats were a coalition of socialists, eugenicists, the kkk, and Temperance committee scolds. In the 1920s and 30s the Democrats fawned over the Italian Fascists, the Nazis, and the Bolsheviks the same way they fawn over Che Guevara, Mao, Castro, and Hugo Chaves today. Well until yesterday when the Venezuelan socialists wrecked the place. In all likelihood the use of swastikas on the Jefferson County Alabama courthouse was an intentional homage to the Socialist Workers Party of Germany, also known as the nazi party. There was great enthusiasm for both Mussolini and Hitler among progressives in this era, and they wrote newspaper, magazine and journal articles supporting the efforts of the various socialist movements in Europe at the time, the exact same way they were doing so for Venezuelan socialism just a few years ago until it also went horribly wrong. The swastika symbol was well known in the 1920s as representing German socialism. Democrats, then as now, were completely in support of every budding socialist government and political movement in the world, and sought to bring the same policies to America. There is good reason to believe that the swastikas were carved into the courthouse by progressive admirers of the nazis. In this era the progressive democrats were busy pushing forced sterilization to support their eugenicist agenda, the "scientific policing" meant to use police powers to manipulate the behavior of the general public to that thought more desirable to the progressives the literal seed idea of police state ideology, segregation to perpetuate the racial division in America, the growth of government to facilitate an all encompassing state such as that advocated and formed by Mussolini's Italian Fascist party. Facts of history which have been swept under the rug now that the unsavory truth of the socialist experience in Germany, Russia, Italy, and many other places has come to light. Along with the bogus claims of "not real socialism" and "nazis aren't real socialists" which have helped to spread this malignant distortion the majority of people now have no knowledge of these events, and as a consequence we have a continuous political movement advancing the cause of socialism which has yielded the Holocaust, Holodomor, Gulags, Killing Fields, and nearly every major atrocity of the 20th century. The specific fact of the motivation for the addition of the swastika to the motif of the Jefferson County Alabama courthouse should be further investigated. There's a very good reason to seek out the truth. Lies, and the hiding of historical data only serves evil purposes and allows such ails to persist into the future. Such finials and motifs should remain as a stark reminder of the dangers of socialist ideology which has caused unfathomable suffering which we would do well not to repeat, and just how close we have been and still are of doing so.
He was a dummy
I dont care either way
You know you suck when your movement is so evil it ruins a angent symbol
boyscouts, coca cola, and Nazis
im Buddhist so i just wear this symbol, anyone have a problem with it can talk to the hand 😏 *proceed to leave a Buddha palm om their face*