Back in May 2019 I was driving through AZ to CA and listening to this book through my 6 hr drive. This book lead me to learning more about Jesus and really helped to wake up to discovering the real truths. Today I am so grateful to Jesus for developing a better relationship with him❤️❤️❤️
I agree with this teaching of Christ’s existence. It makes so much sense based on the human family arrangement which is from God! His way is always perfect.
Thanks Laureen. I think the "Planned Parenthood" illustration was very good. Thanks for all the hard work you continue to do to bring the real Truth to others
Praise God Shirley! It is exciting to use our critical thinking and examine things for ourselves. And what a great time to explore - research tools are at our fingertips and for the most part we are not threatened with beheading, or worse for not holding the popular mainstream view. Jesus wasn't mainstream! lol Here is an article I was reading today and found a youtube of his actual presentation. I found it dovetailed nicely with the aspect of incarnation I was sharing about in my presentation - and of course explained much more. simplychristian.faith/community/threads/the-sacrifice-of-the-son-of-god.2171/
Hey Rosie! I heard you popped in to a meeting last week. Lets get together for a chat. If you don't have my number send me a note at lorijaneusa@gmail.com. And regarding my hair I'm growing it out and this is all I could come up with - I've mostly been wearing my baseball hats at meetings. lol
What time is it? It’s time to don that spiritual scuba suit for a deep dive into the meaning of Christ’s identity, nature, and role in his Fathers divine plan.
You're funny! And great analagy! I have a lot of my research, videos, articles saved on my website at simplychristian.faith in the Christian Monotarian special interest group.
Also if a bear has a baby with a dog wouldn’t the baby be half bear half dog ? Or a Caucasian has a baby with an African American wouldn’t the baby be half Caucasian half African American ? ...So if Jesus was born of God wouldn’t he be half human and half God if his father is God? I’m not saying Jesus is God the father fellow ex Watchtower here I’m just saying Jesus has to be more than just a powerful man ...healing raising the dead forgiving sins things only God can do !I understand that the apostles were also powerful through the power of Gods Holy Spirit so I’m not saying that God couldn’t empower Jesus or anyone else in a mighty way but to me Jesus is much more than a powerful man and can still be identified as God because that is his father. Just like a biracial child can be identified to one race because it is apart of him ... yes I agree pre existence does sound like reincarnation true ! I always said that and if as Christians we reject that idea that’s something to think about for sure ... but it still brings me back to Gen 1:26 and Isaiah 9:6 and also Jesus being the alpha and omega the beginning and the end ...
Adam was miraculously create by God via his holy spirit and he was not 1/2 god - he was 100% human as were all his offspring. God miraculously created Jesus via holy spirit - he was not 1/2 God he was fully human as Adam was and he was fully powered by God - his holy spirit worked in and through him. The miracles performed were powered by God through Jesus. God has used agents like this prior to Jesus - Jesus was the Ultimate Agent if you will.
@@FindingLoriJane that’s a great point! But wasn’t Adam created with dust Jesus was not... the father has told us to honor the son worship the son. Pray in the sons name! If we have seen the son we’ve seen the father. I’m not saying Jesus is the father as some say but I just can’t accept him as a powerful human Jesus says he leaves us his spirit God has never done that through other agents no other agents have left us their spirit or has power in their name only in the name of Jesus ! Theres gotta be so much more than that ! But one thing I’ve learned after leaving watchtower is that none of us know it all so I’m grateful for honest opinions and still having the ability to respect others views so although I don’t agree with your view I respect your right to choose... and that’s what I have learned being a Follower of Christ... love... and for that I’m grateful !
@@Made_New_In_Christ Yes I believe that is correct - no other agent previous to Jesus can compare. He was special because he used his free will to allow God's spirit to work in and through him fully. His will was to do the Father's will. He could have at any time become disobedient like Adam. If he was a god-man or an angel-man as the JWs teach then he would have had an unfair advantage that us mere mortals. As a man similar to Adam (let's go with created via holy spirit vs. naturally conceived) we can truly model after him. As a god-man we shrugh as say "I'm only human". His being human and used by God in this incredible way shows us we can too. Because of Jesus conquering sin and death we are told to worship him and honor him - rightfully so. But as you say that doesn't make him God himself. He is divine now. As God's son he had the right of inheritance - he lowered himself from the lofty position of being God's son, a king to redeem us and make believers sons of God too! He is incredible and there is no need to make him have any kind of existence before his existence. IMHO That is what our worship of him became, a bit contorted - in order to make the trinity make sense he has to have had a pre-existence. Instead of reincarnation it became just incarnation. At any rate thanks for listening and I pray for all of us on this spiritual awakening journey we are on. Maranatha!!
I agree with following Christ and not traditions of men... I realize that all of us will go down different paths after leaving watchtower I have a concern though! I am no theologian and will not say that I am completely versed in scripture... but shouldn’t we be able to learn everything about Jesus through Gods word alone with his holy spirit ? Why do we still go to other books written by other people’s interpretations to learn Jesus isn’t that what we did in watchtower reading the awakes and watchtowers and thinking it is lined up with scripture ! I’m not against no ones beliefs my prayer is that we all have the right truth about Jesus ! Perhaps it’s not a salvation issue one thing we all have in common is that we love and accept Jesus as savior and I’m grateful for that !
I think it is there in the Bible but since we've been told most of our life one thing that is all we can see when we read it. Translators can't help but add some of their bias so we read books to understand what that bias could be so we can judge for ourself. And we are dealing with writings that are over 2000 years old! Sometimes we need a little help understanding context.What was life like then, what idioms were they using that may be lost in translation to nowadays. Today's internet make it very easy to dig and find answers. It starts with praying for our eyes and heart to be opened. That is what I did - begged God to show me the REAL truth even if it was not what I wanted it to be. I feel He has answered that and still is - it is a process. .. I reserve the right to change my mind should I be presented with information that is more compelling than what I currently believe .
Hi Lori here is a thought (Act. 2:17)Jesus said that in the last days He would pour out his spirit on the youth. They would have new prophases, visions, old men would have dreams. So that would mean when written down became new scriptures. Rev. 14:6 Jesus said that he would send an Angel to the earth with the Everlasting Gospel. Who was this Angel (Moroni) Who received this angel ( Joseph Smith ,he was 14 years old) no other Christian denomination has ever claimed to receive their two prophesies. All of Jesus 's prophesies are and will be fulfilled.
Respectfully my understanding is that Acts 2:17 is referring to The time of the Messiah; and so the phrase was understood among the Jews. (Clarke, A. (2014). The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (New Edition, Vol. 5, p. 695). Faithlife Corporation). Joseph Smith is no more a receiver of new prophecy than the Jehovah Witness founder C.T. Russel was. Sorry. What we have in the New Testament are the new (additional) scriptures. Now we are waiting for Jesus return. He is our one and only mediator.
God is God and he loves the world so much that he gave his Son Jesus to save us. Please dont try to go deeper to confusing my sister. Theres 1 God, 1 Spirit, 1 Lord, I can see your sincere,please keep learning and obey.
I remember reading it (or listening to it) and how all the simple illustrations just were explained in such an LSD manner. I could never ever take the explanations seriously even when I was new. And Yes the title is still great ❤️
Back in May 2019 I was driving through AZ to CA and listening to this book through my 6 hr drive. This book lead me to learning more about Jesus and really helped to wake up to discovering the real truths. Today I am so grateful to Jesus for developing a better relationship with him❤️❤️❤️
I agree with this teaching of Christ’s existence. It makes so much sense based on the human family arrangement which is from God! His way is always perfect.
Thanks Laureen. I think the "Planned Parenthood" illustration was very good. Thanks for all the hard work you continue to do to bring the real Truth to others
Oh thank you!
shine on
Well done Lori! We love your videos, you should put them up more often.
Lori you have opened my mind to a new way of thinking concerning Jesus and I think it makes sense.
Praise God Shirley! It is exciting to use our critical thinking and examine things for ourselves. And what a great time to explore - research tools are at our fingertips and for the most part we are not threatened with beheading, or worse for not holding the popular mainstream view. Jesus wasn't mainstream! lol
Here is an article I was reading today and found a youtube of his actual presentation. I found it dovetailed nicely with the aspect of incarnation I was sharing about in my presentation - and of course explained much more. simplychristian.faith/community/threads/the-sacrifice-of-the-son-of-god.2171/
It is so great to see you, it has been awhile. Love the new hair style, you look great with any style. Great to see a new video from you. Missed you!
Hey Rosie! I heard you popped in to a meeting last week. Lets get together for a chat. If you don't have my number send me a note at lorijaneusa@gmail.com. And regarding my hair I'm growing it out and this is all I could come up with - I've mostly been wearing my baseball hats at meetings. lol
Yay Lori!
What time is it? It’s time to don that spiritual scuba suit for a deep dive into the meaning of Christ’s identity, nature, and role in his Fathers divine plan.
You're funny! And great analagy! I have a lot of my research, videos, articles saved on my website at simplychristian.faith in the Christian Monotarian special interest group.
@@FindingLoriJane Thank you so much LJ....I mean Laureen!😆
Also if a bear has a baby with a dog wouldn’t the baby be half bear half dog ? Or a Caucasian has a baby with an African American wouldn’t the baby be half Caucasian half African American ? ...So if Jesus was born of God wouldn’t he be half human and half God if his father is God? I’m not saying Jesus is God the father fellow ex Watchtower here I’m just saying Jesus has to be more than just a powerful man ...healing raising the dead forgiving sins things only God can do !I understand that the apostles were also powerful through the power of Gods Holy Spirit so I’m not saying that God couldn’t empower Jesus or anyone else in a mighty way but to me Jesus is much more than a powerful man and can still be identified as God because that is his father. Just like a biracial child can be identified to one race because it is apart of him ... yes I agree pre existence does sound like reincarnation true ! I always said that and if as Christians we reject that idea that’s something to think about for sure ... but it still brings me back to Gen 1:26 and Isaiah 9:6 and also Jesus being the alpha and omega the beginning and the end ...
Adam was miraculously create by God via his holy spirit and he was not 1/2 god - he was 100% human as were all his offspring. God miraculously created Jesus via holy spirit - he was not 1/2 God he was fully human as Adam was and he was fully powered by God - his holy spirit worked in and through him. The miracles performed were powered by God through Jesus. God has used agents like this prior to Jesus - Jesus was the Ultimate Agent if you will.
@@FindingLoriJane that’s a great point! But wasn’t Adam created with dust Jesus was not... the father has told us to honor the son worship the son. Pray in the sons name! If we have seen the son we’ve seen the father. I’m not saying Jesus is the father as some say but I just can’t accept him as a powerful human Jesus says he leaves us his spirit God has never done that through other agents no other agents have left us their spirit or has power in their name only in the name of Jesus ! Theres gotta be so much more than that ! But one thing I’ve learned after leaving watchtower is that none of us know it all so I’m grateful for honest opinions and still having the ability to respect others views so although I don’t agree with your view I respect your right to choose... and that’s what I have learned being a Follower of Christ... love... and for that I’m grateful !
@@Made_New_In_Christ Yes I believe that is correct - no other agent previous to Jesus can compare. He was special because he used his free will to allow God's spirit to work in and through him fully. His will was to do the Father's will. He could have at any time become disobedient like Adam. If he was a god-man or an angel-man as the JWs teach then he would have had an unfair advantage that us mere mortals. As a man similar to Adam (let's go with created via holy spirit vs. naturally conceived) we can truly model after him. As a god-man we shrugh as say "I'm only human". His being human and used by God in this incredible way shows us we can too. Because of Jesus conquering sin and death we are told to worship him and honor him - rightfully so. But as you say that doesn't make him God himself. He is divine now. As God's son he had the right of inheritance - he lowered himself from the lofty position of being God's son, a king to redeem us and make believers sons of God too! He is incredible and there is no need to make him have any kind of existence before his existence.
IMHO That is what our worship of him became, a bit contorted - in order to make the trinity make sense he has to have had a pre-existence. Instead of reincarnation it became just incarnation.
At any rate thanks for listening and I pray for all of us on this spiritual awakening journey we are on. Maranatha!!
I agree with following Christ and not traditions of men... I realize that all of us will go down different paths after leaving watchtower I have a concern though! I am no theologian and will not say that I am completely versed in scripture... but shouldn’t we be able to learn everything about Jesus through Gods word alone with his holy spirit ? Why do we still go to other books written by other people’s interpretations to learn Jesus isn’t that what we did in watchtower reading the awakes and watchtowers and thinking it is lined up with scripture ! I’m not against no ones beliefs my prayer is that we all have the right truth about Jesus ! Perhaps it’s not a salvation issue one thing we all have in common is that we love and accept Jesus as savior and I’m grateful for that !
I think it is there in the Bible but since we've been told most of our life one thing that is all we can see when we read it. Translators can't help but add some of their bias so we read books to understand what that bias could be so we can judge for ourself. And we are dealing with writings that are over 2000 years old! Sometimes we need a little help understanding context.What was life like then, what idioms were they using that may be lost in translation to nowadays. Today's internet make it very easy to dig and find answers. It starts with praying for our eyes and heart to be opened. That is what I did - begged God to show me the REAL truth even if it was not what I wanted it to be. I feel He has answered that and still is - it is a process. ..
I reserve the right to change my mind should I be presented with information that is more compelling than what I currently believe .
@@FindingLoriJane this I agree with and respect completely ! 100%... I respect your journey as I am on mine as well
Interesting ... so my question is in which you may answer I’m only half way through but ... how do We explain Isaiah 9:6 Genesis 1:26 John 1:1?
Anthony Buzzard is an encouraging, up building, spiritual....um.....bird.
Lori I am also in central Florida. One day would love to meet up? Do you ever do that?
Sorry I missed this - I think we met through email?? If not please drop me a line and we can connect lorijaneusa@gmail.com
I'm sad that Lori is no longer doing video's 😢. She is missed.
Hi Lori here is a thought (Act. 2:17)Jesus said that in the last days He would pour out his spirit on the youth. They would have new prophases, visions, old men would have dreams. So that would mean when written down became new scriptures. Rev. 14:6 Jesus said that he would send an Angel to the earth with the Everlasting Gospel. Who was this Angel (Moroni) Who received this angel ( Joseph Smith ,he was 14 years old) no other Christian denomination has ever claimed to receive their two prophesies. All of Jesus 's prophesies are and will be fulfilled.
Respectfully my understanding is that Acts 2:17 is referring to The time of the Messiah; and so the phrase was understood among the Jews. (Clarke, A. (2014). The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (New Edition, Vol. 5, p. 695). Faithlife Corporation).
Joseph Smith is no more a receiver of new prophecy than the Jehovah Witness founder C.T. Russel was. Sorry.
What we have in the New Testament are the new (additional) scriptures. Now we are waiting for Jesus return. He is our one and only mediator.
Well I'm glad you made it out of the JW's, but I can not get onboard with your Christology...
God is God and he loves the world so much that he gave his Son Jesus to save us. Please dont try to go deeper to confusing my sister. Theres 1 God, 1 Spirit, 1 Lord,
I can see your sincere,please keep learning and obey.
Your idea of the truth is: don't digg... you might find something that will change your mind about god...! Wow 👌 👏 how shallow is this???
Florida Woman , where's the proofs??? Just asking. The 💡 ideas in your head are not proofs. Just saying.
What do wimpy spiritual men need? Spiritual spinach I guess.🤔
ha - good one!
That awful book 😂
Great title tho! Thanks for watching Theo.
I remember reading it (or listening to it) and how all the simple illustrations just were explained in such an LSD manner. I could never ever take the explanations seriously even when I was new.
And Yes the title is still great ❤️