Outside the Box: Gender Essentialism, Manhood and the work of Shuzo Oshimi
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Content warnings for: Discussions of trauma and sexuality
If you’re anything like me living in North America, you’ve been taught to filter that world into two boxes; men and women but trying to draw a clean line between them is impossible. Many have tried. All have failed. This imposed division creates a tension between how many people experience themselves and how they are taught to think about the world. That tension is also reflected in the work of manga artist Shuzo Oshimi whose 20+ year long career connects his evolving questions on gender, masculinity and manhood.
Somewhere in production, I realized the Venn diagram between Welcome Back Alice and The Barbie movie is almost a circle.
The Manben NEO episode interviewing Shuzo Oshimi: www.naokiurasa...
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Works cited:
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Eidson, R. C., & Coley, J. D. (2014). Not so fast: Reassessing gender essentialism in young adults. Journal of Cognition and Development, 15(2), 382-392.
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I've stumbled onto this unlisted video in your Essay playlist, in case it was meant to be private! just wanted to say. Also love it
I had it unlisted to get some feedback from friends before making it public. It didn't occur to me that it would show up in playlists though. I appreciate the heads up and glad you enjoyed it!
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too late! whole internets gunna see it now :D
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I came here from a video defending Star Citizen... this video was worth more of my time.
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That feeling of feeling a strong disconnect with the gender you were born with but not having any desire to transition into the opposite gender outside of escaping the roles assigned to your birth gender is so incredibly relatable and I never hear anyone talk about it!
Is it really that common? As someone who feels exactly like that, I figured it was kinda rare and obscure
My take on Inside Mari is totally different, in that I think the conclusion works to cut AGAINST gender essentialism. After all, we were totally willing to accept that the Isao inside Mari must really be Isao because he keeps leering at women, longing to be like them, etc: traits we would associate with men and with almost a cartoon version of male sexuality. But when the "Isao" inside Mari turns out to just be another part of her, then implicitly we have to reframe all her "male" attitudes and behaviors as coming from her, a person who was assigned female at birth and who largely identifies as a woman. So if THAT person can so convincingly feel all those "male" feelings, then those feelings can't actually be restricted to any gender or type of person, can they?
That's a reading I hadn't heard before. I like it a lot. Gonna have to sit with that for a bit.
Huh. That is an interesting interpretation. Originally, the ending kinda ruined the story for me, but your take makes me want to go back and reexamine things. Thank you.
I thought that conclusion was quite obvious tbh. It was Mari that was borrowing her brother's magazines (iirc) and buying stuff from the adult bookshop even before her Isao showed up. The part of her that engaged in attraction to women in a traditionally male way was always there, it's just that only through Isao did it _make sense_ through that lens of traditional gender roles. Outside of that, it was just Mari being her non-gender-essentialist self, and if anything I'd say the story was partly about Mari coming to terms with that part of her.
@_kalia I thought it was a pretty easy conclusion to come to too, but I'm also someone who's afab and has struggled with performing femininity all my life, so maybe it depends on how you personally relate to this story and your own experiences with gender
That was my interpretation as well. And i think it also applies to Yori as well, when they make the point that her attraction/desire/obsession with Mari is no different than Isao's. Also I'm not sure how to articulate this thought but in my mind it's similar to takao and sawa's shared so-called perversion. As an earlier work maybe Oshimi wasn't conscious of it but i believe the sexual/"pervesion" themes pf aku no hana are linked to this sense of sexual desire being deemed a masculine perversion, and how that is not actually a strictly masculine feeling at all, and in Okaeri Alice it becomes healthier and not necessarily seen as a perversion anymore
genders are like cardboard boxes and we are all cats trying to sits in the one we fits. but sometimes what we really want is to lay out in a sunbeam or tear up the carpet. the box can be comforting, but freedom lies in learning to jump out of it when you want to.
i think the phrase "Josephs Stalin's female digit ratio" is going to haunt me in my nightmares
great video!
Thank you and welcome to to the Stalin digit ratio nightmare
Funnily enough the Nazis took pictures of Stalin's earlobes to check if he's 'jewish'. They decided he wasn't
I remember the very first concept I had about gender is around when I was 5, I said something I now think is quite profound for a 5 year old, just randomly when I was preparing for a shower or something, I got naked, looked at myself in the mirror and told my mom: "I want to let go of my pp, so I am just human and go to space" of course back then a penis is hardcore associated with the male identity having grown up in China, I never even really percieved the concept of gender queerness until highschool age, but I'm glad to remember that I always is just human deep down inside. It makes dysphoria, anxiety, performantive socializing that I can't let go of, and everything else a little more bearable.
I asked myself the "trans question" many times as a high school boy, I went to a therapist by myself, I never told anyone around me, and I almost started hrt, but I ran away. I don't know if I was scared, concerned or anything, but I thought I needed a deeper examination of myself. My huburis is the belief that I can fix and solve everything, something that was contributed by my male upbringing and my child hood familial trauma, but the benefit is that I really did think that I can be what the world looks at in awe, and not follow the currents of fanaticism. I tried to eliminate the very concept of gender from my head, I try to disassociate pronouns from social role and everything from everything, and for a while, I was the man whom has abandoned being a man.
But then, it didn't completely fix it, because dysphoria for me is a body horror. The very first time in middle school when I realized the growth of hair on my face and my legs, I was so scared, I took a rusty one bladed shaving knife and tried to cut away at them, shaving everyday has become a habit, and constant cuts from carelessness is present all throughout my life till now, but I would rather have scars. As an artist, I have a soft spot for biomechanical nightmares, the likes of Ginger's Alien and Scorn, because body is such as grotisc thing on my, yet I find them beautiful, a gothic love where I blend a deep traumatic horror with my admiration for love and affection. For a time, I didn't know what I wanted, except I didn't want this, jumping around different communities, where once again identity is attached to my body when I once have seemingly eliminated it, for that now I am initiating a change in the status quo, if everything before can happen just in my head, now I must stand physically in the world, and look at the horror of my flesh, and learn to love it, like I've loved so many others, to be excited about its shapes folds, and the connectivity of muscles, to feel its texture, the light bounce it has, when I press into my skin. And I've decided that mtf hrt is for me. I am going to be transitioning into a girl.
Now I am once again thinking about eliminating the transwoman or transgirl identity from my head again, if I am to be consistent in my love of the flesh and my love of humans, then I must think and think again about the implications of my words. Though mtf transition is not a fetishization of womanhood, but womanhood is very much a fetishization of being a woman, it carries a religious ferver, no less toxic or beautiful than masculinity. At times, such changes from he/him to any/all to she/they to any/all would be called phases and inconsistency in the trans ideology, but to me, they carry weight and thoughts, every step is my attempt to achieve what it truly means to live and exist as a person, it shares the same passion as discovery and knowledge, and just like discovery and knowledge, perhaps it will be never ending, or perhaps I can one day find something that is truthful to me and speak of it like the proponents of varying philosophies in the not so long distant past.
(Sry for writing so much in a comment, I got passionate hh)
This comment was beautiful and insightful. Thank you for sharing. Here's to being humans.
I had some similar experiences. I was confused why I couldn’t dress like the girls in school when I was very young. And I also had similar feelings about body hair, but I kinda pushed through and tried to get over it so I could be a proper man. It was over a decade of trying to be something and failing. All it really took was accepting that I was already me. Started hormones not long after that and I’ve been happy ever since. Literally had the neighbor ask me what changed in my life since *something* clearly lifted weight off my back.
this is one of the most beautiful things i've read in a while. i'm a nonbinary/maybe kinda genderfluid guy who has some trouble with, to borrow your words, "looking at the horror of my flesh and learning to love it," and this reminded me to try. and it's opened me up to the idea that any changes in my self identity are just steps in my journey towards discovering my truest self.
thank you from the bottom of my heart, kind stranger.
I wonder how real real is the trans experience and how somatic OCD is this experience?
Like, you mention you felt body horror when facial hair started to grow up, but I think that's normal for any human, male or female (yes, some women experience facial hair growing out and had to shave in secret too!). It's gross.
The only difference is you took that too far as a worry, like an obsession. Same with other attitudes towards pronouns and clothing I guess.
Wonder how genuine that is (in terms of neurology) or how is just a psychological condition?
I think in a very limited studio they found by stufying a few handful of corpses of trans people (for control sake both fully transitioned with hormone therapy and those that only identified as trans in life but not transition) and cis people. In the brains of trans people, with or without HRT, they did found a slight difference in a very specific sets of neurons that should've belonged to the opposite sex. Curious stuff. Sad it's a very limited studio and this kind of thing should be persued with more funding and importance.
Other thing I read a year ago was that trans people are overrepresented in the ASD population, like 400% kind. It's huge! As a ASD person myself, I wonder how the tism influences the body dysphoria stuff, because feelings of dissociation are VERY part of the ASD life experience. It's just that some of us don't get hung up on pronouns and gender and stuff. We are also socially clueless and don't conform or really struggle with social customs and cues. Like it's our bane in existence. Sounds similar in my mind.
I really think the autism thing sheds more light than the first study I mentioned. I thing trans people are autists with a clear "OCD thing" (lots of comorbodity here, I think I have OCD too) or overfixation in a very specific body dissociation aspect. But the first study contradicts somewhat this, if those neurons expressed that way before birth or during early development, but how could we know that? Also epigenetics is also a thing which muddies the waters even more, but Idk how far epigenetics can influence the expression of certain neurons while a toddler or a teenager is growing up.
Which sounds familiar to me as I was very "queer" when I started without trying or knowing I was presenting like that. I just wanted to look more feminine but in a cool way like an anime (a very childlish and naive view, which disregarded social cues and brought me some trouble and anxiety along the way) of course I looked very fucking weird and I cringe when I look back at those days. I wasn't trying to be a woman just because I had longer hair or my natural demeanor was very delicate, but to society that's how it is. Can't blame them too much.
Today, bald in my early 30s, feeling less austistic as ever (but not too much, still a mess in life), with a more muscular body I feel more comfortable than ever. My past ex liked my slender body and feminine traits, but I was a mess in that regard because I don't like to view myself or present myself like that. It's just I was an only child, raised by a single mother, and I had fatherly figures but I guess that's why the way I am, a bunch of contrasts.
Your experience is very insightful and really expressive, I wish we could have an answer to the ultimate question soon; science needs to catch up. But I wish you find some solace in this life.
As guy in his 30s I think this whole gender debate is meaningless. A nothingburger. Society will learn to adapt eventually and accept a more fluid way of life in this regard. And let people be people.
Amen.
this was an amazing example of gender essentialism and how it can make even cis people feel trapped. thank you for the video.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. The impact essentialism has on cis people is something I feel doesn't get talked about enough. Cis people definitely seek out gender affirming care and experience levels of dysphoria but it's usually not framed in those terms.
I don't know weather it will be interested for anyone, but I want to share my story. From early childhood I had got really annoyed every time when I heard phrases like ''Math is not for girls'' or ''All boys have stone hearts'' or ''don't cry your are a boy''. My parents, my grandparents, my teachers and my classmates say such things and I can't understand why so many people believe that gender predestination is normal thing. Maybe it's because I myself was an ''exception from the rule''. I didn't like many of ''boyish stuffs'' and on the other hand I liked some of ''girlish stuffs''. I didn't like football, basketball, fighting games and so on. And I liked flowers, romantic stories, cute things and so on. I hated brutal masculine gender role called in my country "настоящий мужик" (true muzhyk). When puberties began I realized that I had a desire to be born as a girl, I thought that if I could be a girl it should be easier for me to be that person who I am. I even had some fantasies about how I turn into a girl. But lately I realize that it's not my fault that I don't enough boyish or that I like some girlish stuffs but it's society is wrong because it force people live in ways that they can't choose only because there gender. I decided that I shouldn't be a girl to love what I love and live how I want. I'm sorry for mistakes in English.
I don't know if I feel bad for Oshimi or I relate to his struggles to fight his way out of his own box, but I hope he finds peace with it all someday.
I think this is how I'd word how I feel about that as well. ;~;
I think what I got most out of this was the line (paraphrasing) "nature doesn't create hard boundaries, including the one between trans and cis". As you said, it really would've been obvious if I'd ever stopped to think about it, yet somehow I never did. Which is weird to me, because phrases like "real man" are everywhere and yet literally only make sense if "man" is itself a spectrum. I'm taking this as a humbling reminder that having thought a lot about something for a long time doesn't mean I've looked at that thing from every possible angle.
im a guy but i dont know what that means. by definition, i should be nonbinary, somewhere outside boy, girl, man, woman.
and yet the label of a man feels correct. why?
i like dresses and acting motherlike, i dislike bro-culture and sports. i also dislike makeup and ponytails, i love tank tops and beards.
i love being there for friends, both motherly or like a big brother defending their weaker sibling.
i dont know what gender is, yet i know im male. what does it mean? who knows, somehow the label feels right even when few people say i am "masculine".
gender is a construct, and when you realize anything you believe makes a woman female can exactly apply to a man, (wether just socially or biologically), theres really no going back haha
"Nature doesn't create binaries. It creates spectrums." I love that line! 💚
This essay had me getting a little misty eyed. I'm going to have to check out his work, I 100% feel that struggle and have had similar thoughts myself. It's not that I'm not a man, it's that I'm not meeting societies demands and expectations of a man and I'm weighed down by my own guilt of disappointing them by being myself. I'm glad I've grown enough to shed most of that guilt. I hope Shuzo gets far enough along to find joy and not just peace.
I got a little misty when I first read that last author note in Alice. It's a parasocial thing with someone I've been reading for a long time, but I was so happy to read that he had sorted things and started to work toward finding joy.
It's nice to read about someone else going through the exact same thing as I am. This video really helped put my feelings into words about my struggles with manhood and masculinity.
I can't help but imagine if I'd had access to Shuzo Oshimi's work (especially Welcome Back Alice) when I was in high school, not wanting to be my AGAB but not be the "opposite" gender either... I think I wouldn't have felt so alone.
Whatever decisions or discoveries Oshimi makes about his own gender, I hope he finds parts of himself that bring him joy. I hope he can embrace those parts of himself. I hope navigating himself and his world gets easier. I wish that for all of us.
In recent years I've been really interested in the idea of questioning one's gender without any intention of changing the body they're in so I really enjoyed seeing some exploration of that part of the spectrum here. I'll definitely have check out Oshimi's work, thank you for this great video.
i think it's important to acknowledge that trans people don't need to change their bodies or even intend to do so to be trans. in my own personal experience, internal transformations are just as if not more important to relating to one's own gender as making changes to your appearance.
breaking down essentialist barriers of gender also means refusing to prescribe gendered roles to certain bodies and body parts.
@@darkmoonhotel I don’t like using trans as an umbrella term for all nonbinary people because it implies a transition.
But I’ve been me from birth,I might not change anything at all about me,it’s about perceiving yourself to be something different that what society sees you,but not actually changing that externally.
Also it creates a dichotomy between cis and trans,and then it’s about what was assigned at birth,but all of that is silly because it takes so little to not be what you’re supposed to be according to gender essentialism,but way more to identify oneself with something radically different,and be motivated to transition.
Were you inspired by "The Incel to Trans Pipeline and Inside Mari" for this? If not, I think you should watch it! Its another wonderful video covering this topic.
It's come up in my recs a few times but I haven't found the time to watch it. I'll try and give it a watch the next few days.
That video is incredible indeed
I LOVED THAT VIDEO‼️‼️
Oh I thought they were the same creator oops!
Yes I came from that one!! Another interesting perspective on Inside Mari
I attend a gender diverse support group and wow... a few weeks ago I said that I felt like "I missed the boat" when it came to my chance to see myself as a woman. That I did not get to have the experiences of growing up as a girl and becoming a woman. I have since "abandoned ship" of that boat of masculinity because it was taking me further and further from where I wanted to be. I am now adrift, floating through life as a (feminine aspiring) non-binary person. Time and time again I find myself connecting to the shared thoughts of Shuzo Oshimi.
As someone who has also often felt adrift, I'm wishing the best for you.
I think now I've realized that inherently one definition of manhood, womanhood doesn't have any weight over another because it's a figurative line deemed important by someone either way.
Ya wanna know what boils my blood about gender essentialism? The deeply-ingrained, centuries-old traditions in myth, legend and storytelling (mostly in the Western literary canon, but I digress) that associate "The Masculine" with strength and heroism, while "The Feminine" represents evil and weakness. We've all seen it, because this stuff goes back really, REALLY deep in Western culture- Pandora's Box. Adam and Lilith/Eve. Samson and Delilah. Decades upon DECADES of male movie-villains we KNOW are villains because of "queer-coded" effeminate mannerisms or visual signifiers. This isn't news. Bells should be ringing.
A really obvious example would be the film-adaptation of "300..." our hero and villain are both men, but Leonidas Of Sparta is coded "Masculine" to be the good guy, while Emperor Xerxes Of Persia is coded "Feminine..." Leonidas is so macho, he's basically jellied testosterone squeezed into a man-shaped sausage-casing. But what is Xerxes like? He's preening, leering and mincing. He's syrupy and saccharine. He's touchy-feely, and loves his jewelry and pageantry and finery... and from the looks of his private pleasure-tent, he's Not Straight to say the least... hell, Zack Snyder even slipped in a scene of Leonidas gettin' it on with his queen Gorgo just to let ya know who wears the penis in this conflict.
Eh, but that's Frank Miller and Greek mytho-history. You expect "Masculine Good, Feminine Evil" there. What's REALLY telling is how it shows up in "The Hunger Games," despite its lionization as a battle-standard of modern young-adult feminism. Our protagonist Katniss Everdeen isn't so much a "tomboy" as she is John Rambo in a sports-bra. She's so macho, she hates the cat and has to be TAUGHT to wear a dress and chew with her mouth closed! Of course, there's nothing inherently wrong with "Male Character, Now With Boobs" as a character-design template. But then, we have President Snow and the villains of the Capital... more queer-coding. More mincing. More preening. They gorge on wine and chocolate. They wear makeup and spray-tans and frilly costumes and dye their hair funny colors. They even take diuretic drugs to induce vomiting so they can gorge on MORE wine and chocolate! Snow himself is even described in the books as "smelling of blood and roses!" This is a franchise bending over backwards to be inspiring to women and young girls, and it STILL manages to code "Masculine" as heroic and "Feminine" as villainous. That's how insidious, residual and dug-in-deep this kind of cultural programming is!
And this, friends, is what REALLY gets my dander right up... dipshits online have turned "Masculine Good, Feminine Evil" into a cottage-industry. Andrew Tate springs immediately to mind, as do white-supremacist polished turds like The Golden One and Bronze Age Pervert.
10000% agree. There's also the element where a lot of those conceptions of gender are also nested within western colonialism but that's a whole different subject. 300 especially is so egregious with the historical revisionism around Sparta. It's so overblown that it feels like satire and yet, like you said, it's a cottage-industry now.
@@RickiHirsch Well, I give "300" a mulligan (it's actually a personal favorite of mine) because the film isn't actually TRYING to be historically accurate. Snyder said in interviews "We're making an opera, not a documentary," and the film itself is basically a fun, bone-crunching, two-hour-long action scene. A story so boiled down to its "Good Guy/Bad Guy/Location/FIGHT!" fundamentals, not even the scribe of "All-Star Batman & Robin"/"Holy Terror and director of "The Spirit" could screw it up.
And Sparta as a nation-state of the Classical Era is a whole OTHER can of worms. Everything we THINK we know about Sparta from guys like Herodotus and Xenophon is unreliable at best- Xenophon wished Athens were more like Sparta, and Herodotus had this ugly habit of merely writing down what people told him without being arsed to fact-check. Because fact-checking hadn't been invented yet.
But more to the point, "300" isn't a bad movie... it's just a perfectly-made, lovingly-constructed monument to Dumb built on a foundation of Dumber. Let the morons have their "This Is Why We Name Super-Soldiers After These Guys" version of Sparta. It's how we know they're morons. And we smart folk can enjoy stupid things thanks to a little thing called "compartmentalization."
I want to get this tattoed ''Leonidas is so macho, he's basically jellied testosterone squeezed into a man-shaped sausage-casing''.😭
I would recommend you read the Hunger Games books , since the movies heavily removed important character moments from Katniss, the main one being how Katnis in the book secretly hated and resented the fact she couldn't be more girly, when her dad died and her mom fell apart she had to "man up" and care for her family ,heck it's stated that her learning to hunt was what prevented herself from becoming a prostitute, not to mention the whole thing with the capital was meant to show how these guys had such so much money that they could cover themselves in expensive make up, clothes ,jewelry and eat expensive food while the rest starved
@@danielasarmiento3101 Yeah, thanks for reminding me that A) this franchise is really preachy, and therefore boring; and B) you're really only illustrating my point about "Masculine Good, Feminine Evil." On top of the people of The Capital being fey and foppish (therefore Caligula) and the folk of the Districts being scrappy and working-class (therefore Jesus), we have Katniss deciding that being a hunter is better than being a sex-worker... in other words, the only way for Katniss to be strong is to symbolically become a man. Better to be Nimrod, the hunter scorned by God, than to be Jezebel the whore-queen. And of COURSE I'm familiar with the books... it's also there that Katniss' inner monologue tells us that President Snow smells "of blood and roses" thanks to his gardening and work with poison- poison being historically known as "The Woman's Weapon," since women were assumed to be too weak to LIFT a sword, let alone WIELD one. Once again... President Snow is this foppish, effeminate, envenomed monster thematically coded "Feminine" to be the villain, while Katniss is basically what happens when you shake together a jigger of Ted Nugent, a pony of John Rambo and a dram of Utena Tenjou. Again... nothing wrong with that in concept. A LOT of great women in fiction were created by grafting a female skin onto a classically male archetype.
And the movies DO give us a helpful answer to the conundrum of seeing feminine-coded things as "weak" or "inferior..." it's the tagline of the second movie.
"Remember Who The Enemy Is."
The most influential part of Inside Mari for me was that it flipped the notion used against trans women.
"You are a man who thinks he is a woman"
Mari believes that she is a disgusting man and doesnt deserve to have the softness and dilemma of being a teenage girl.
And when that dissolved,
She was just... herself.
The scene with Isao Komori telling her that he loves her made me realise that... the way I look at myself is not the image of how most men look at women. The way I look at myself is how traumatised people look at themselves.
I have told my own, mental Isao that I am not the same as him and that I am not a man. I have been on estrogen for a month now and honestly? Things are getting better.
But finding what I am... might take some years.
I think I... like being a trans woman.
Even if it does take years, it sounds like you've already taken some very big and very difficult steps. Wishing the best for you.
As I see it, Mari kind of was learning to be a woman. She was in a bad place, and when she became Isao, she needed to learn femininity over again because she never really felt like a woman in the first place. Isoa was a break to create her identity anew, instead of continuing to just act out a role that was assigned to her before she could have began to reflect on it. I think Inside Mari as a story written by a man(?) is still kind of anti-essentialist because of the way it kind of deconstructs men's view of women as a different species who live on a different plain of existence from them. Mari is not an angel, she doesn't have a perfect, pretty life that she never needs to question, and she's capable of all sorts of messy freaky-ness. It's not Isoa's transition into Mari that subverts gender at all, but Mari's transition into Isoa.
Exactly this!
Yeah, after reading this and other comments, I've come around on this. Thank you.
It's amazing to me how you managed to put in such an easily-digestible format answers to questions that took me so long to even ask in life, let alone get an even a rough-draft of a conclusion to. Binary thinking is quick and efficient- and humans love categorizing things into little boxes and giving them labels, but it can be all too easy to re-read those labels later and try to refit our world to better match them or feel discomfort when we see the flaws in those labels.
I loved your video on gender horror and Inside Mari too, and if this is the quality of content your channel is about, I'm honored to be a subscriber. What I'm trying to say is thank you.
It helps that I've had to think a lot about it myself. Thanks for the kind words as well. I'm still trying to figure everything out but I'm doing by best to make the kind of things I'd like to see more of.
As a neurodivergent detrans woman I highly relate to shuzo's work, I wish it was available to me before I transitioned. Genderdysphoria isn't unique to trans people, Cis people get it too. I think the biggest reasons for this is the standards set upon us by society. They are limiting and restricting for everyone (especially neurodivergent folks), and it can cause Cis people to think they are trans, like what happened to me. I lived as trans for 6 years before I started my detransition, once I started to unpack these kinds of things.
I think transmedicalism is also very harmful because of the same reasons. It is restricting, it tells trans folks that medically transitioning is the only option for them, that you're not really trans if you don't medically transition. It takes something as beautiful as genderaffirming care, and twists it back into the genderbinary. This was even more evident in the 2010's, the transmedicalism ran rampant in online trans spaces, which is why I think there's such a boom of detrans people currently.
Oh and before someone comes at me, just because I'm detrans doesn't mean I don't believe in trans rights. I highly believe in the right for genderaffirming care, and think it should be accessible to everyone. So don't @ me with terf bullshit lol
I grew up with gender effectively not existing, there were adults and there were kids. Small class of 9, 7 boys (so the girls acted just like the boys), and my mom, who was not at all a stereotypical woman, raised me (she's very unemotional, a trained electrician and a painter, her biggest hobby while I was growing up was firing ceramics in a kiln). Movies and shows weren't censored for me as a kid, so I watched a large mix of things.
High school (different town, 100 students in my class) and college were a blur, I was respected by everybody (all genders) but not friends with anyone, really. Spent most of my aware time alone. High school especially, every single student was a little broken because our town had an incredibly disproportionate percentage of divorced parents (would genuinely not be surprised at all to find it's among the highest percentage of divorces in one town in North America-it's like the stars aligned to ensure all rocky marriages were ended in our town and the family got financially stuck there). So though I wasn't friends with anybody, there was a common sense of equality and comradery between me and my peers.
Then after college, suddenly when I'm alone with other men they're making nasty jokes about women, and constantly talking about going to the gym to get a girl (nothing to do with health). Sexist jokes, sharing pictures of acquaintances they'd "like to bag", etc. Not every man by any means, but too many.
And when I'm alone with women they're apparently not at fault for anything in their lives. Everything wrong with their life is other peoples' fault, men's fault or their parents fault or their friends' fault. Way too often I hear a trauma response along the lines of "all men are ugly on the inside", "men are incapable of controlling themselves", etc. Again, not every woman by any means, but too many.
So now I'm acutely aware of the fact that I'm a man and I'm truly not sure whether I hate being a man, hate society (which isn't really fixable in my lifetime), or maybe I just want to be a woman or nonbinary. I don't really know. I never cared about my gender or anyone else's growing up, and now I really do care but wish I didn't, or at least that I didn't have to.
Gender essentialism wasn't even an idea in my head growing up, certainly it didn't exist, and now I don't know whether it exists or not. I feel as if an AFAB person would statistically be simultaneously better on speaking about this (likely spent their whole life with gender being brought up) and also worse (most of their gender opinions might be societally taught with very little room for wholly independent thought about the topic).
I wish someone could just tell me resolutely with data whether it's a real thing or not.
I will say I do distinctly remember being around 6 years old and our small town music teacher told me "that's not how boys cross their legs, you need to do it like this" and I hated her from then on bc I had never before been accosted for something based purely on the fact that I had a penis. I never got over how arbitrary and stupid she was to enforce that.
"When I'm alone with women they're apparently not at fault for anything" Wow yikes man, straight out of the MRA handbook. May as well say women are allergic to accountability and whine about misandry 🙄
Edit: oh wait you did literally complain about misandry too
The image at 31:21 of the woman in pain missing parts of herself struck a deep cord in me. It's so beautiful and painful to look at.
you should read the afterword associated with it, it made me cry like 5 times
this is the second time you've gotten me to go read a manga myself before finishing the video, here comes some welcome alice thoughts sorry for the text wall
thoughts on 'relinquishing being a man/stepping down from manhood/the various other things they translated 男を降りる as: the word it uses in japanese for this is 降りる, which has the main meaning of getting off of a vehicle but also means to give up, to retire or to fold. specifically, this is the verb you would use to describe disembarking from a boat, so it strongly connects to the 'manhood boat' in the afterword. i think it also connects with Yo's general lack of agency throughout the story. manhood is something he's 'riding' and needs to 'step down' from so he can make choices based on what _he_ wants and not how he feels like a man would behave.
kei is def my favourite character, i like how messy they are and how we see them like, accidentally hurt yo a few times out of not knowing how to approach him or how to be honest about their feelings, and have to learn that leaving yo to someone else isn't actually what's best for him and such. obviously they did a bunch of bad stuff but i feel like they grew the most over the course of the story ... which feels a little unfair, because i also feel like they were the furtherest along at the start of things, but. ^^; originally i was thinking 'aren't all kei's decisions dictated by their feelings for yo in this?' but i thought about it more and it's just about the focus of the story. we don't learn anything about yo besides the stuff related to his struggle with gender and relationships either. kei's a lil aspirational for me despite all the bad stuff they do, honestly, i wish i'd had any idea that it was possible to be like ... sexual in a feminine/receptive way but still proactive about it, during like late high school and college. kei is super clumsy about this but that's how you learn to do it better, right?? i spent a long time being fundamentally incapable of flirting because i'm not capable of doing it the way men are expected to and couldn't conceive of doing it a different way yet.
i have ... mixed feelings about the ending! it's positive but it feels too clean after a very messy leadup. i would have liked to see a little more conflict after the shiny abstract becoming-one scene, just to give yo a chance to demonstrate that he's changed in some way and can like, show courage and think for himself a little? maybe demonstrate some meaningful way he's living as himself despite social pressure to conform? because the yo we saw throughout the story had SO little understanding of his own desires or ability to act on them, i would feel more satisfied with a conclusion that shows how he's grown from that even if things are still difficult for him rather than a more positive one that leaves me unsure how much he's learned.
why does oshimi feel the need to put the coolest lines in the afterword and not the main text though?? please put the line about erasing the boundary within yourself, and the thing about 'all you can do is say 'i'm home' and hear 'welcome back' in return' in the actual manga.
Oh, I hadn't looked at the raw and didn't know it used 降りる. That's really powerful. Also, I feel that re: burying the hardest lines in the afterwords. Sometimes, I feel like I'm more invested in his afterwords than the actual story.
I watched flowers of evil about a year ago, and was looking up videos on gender essentialism today, and this popped up luckily. Now i wanna read more from Shuzo Oshimi
I love your paraphrasing of "the only constant is transition"! 🧡🧡🧡
I just finished your essay on body horror, and now this one and I have to say.. I didn't expect to weep this morning.
These are absolutely fantastic, and you've gained a new subscriber.
Thank you. It's humbling to hear that something I made could have that kind of impact.
This Mangaka's work always makes me emotional. His writing is so human.
I'm not sure if I've ever been "kicked in the gender" before but like. Hey, first time for everything. Phenomenally thought provoking! Thanks for sharing.
thank you for teaching and guiding my gender journey, you’re helping me so much rn
still gotta finish watching the “coming to terms with dreams” video too. also slightly connected, i feel a lot calmer rn cause i just shaved my body and put a dress on. i’m adorable and feel less insane via your empathy
you got this 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@@hrhYT As a trans woman I hope your journey go well you are valid in your feelings.
The only constant in life is transition, it's always about looking for a different way. I feel like one of the most interesting characteristics of people is that no matter how someone is, they must have adopted some (I would guess many or most) of their characteristics from people who are different from them; in this way everyone aligns with an internal concept for how they are internally now, while constantly looking for different ways to be in others, and transitioning towards an image that more closely resembles an idealized version of the self. Honestly loved the video, hope to see more in the future.
I love Shuzo Oshimi's works, really touches me deeply on the perception of one's self and also impress me how sincery he is on his works, he is one of my favorite authors along with Hideo Yamamoto, cant wait to see the how you explore it this video :D
I really enjoyed how you presented your views and the editing. Also thank you for creating this video, i feel i gained a lot of awareness of topics from a cis stand point that I hadn't been thinking about (in-depth). The struggles with affirmation that someone who is cis is spoken about differently then someone who is trans maybe? Like for a trans person its clear and precise being called dysphoria. For a cis person however, its not called that even when it IS. Like you said the checklist society gives you in what makes you a man or woman. I really liked that part with Yui and Yo where you said she was just a means of affirming his own manhood. These are things cis people do that is affirming and fights against DYSPHORIA. Like how boys will be seen as "Losers" for not having a girlfriend when its not the fact of having a girlfriend that is the good thing. Its that you as a man "winning" and getting a girl to show that you are a MAN and if you can't do that you are lesser -- a loser.
Anyway ill stop here I just finished the video and immediately wanted to comment to show my thanks and enjoyment of the video. Haven't really thought properly so my comment is messy sorry about that XD im trans and glad i found another queer channel doing interesting video essays, will be subscribing hope you do more content like this. Amazing video! :D
Nothing to be sorry for at all. It also strikes me how cis people also look for gender affirming care but it's rarely called it either. Like if a cis body builder gets calf implants because they're unhappy with how their muscles are developing, that's 100% a gender affirming surgery to deal with dysphoria but you almost never see it talked about that way.
This is such a good essay and dayum, you even listed all the papers.
I love how horror media and specifically psychological horror can spark so much self-analysis and search for identity.
I wish people would look at the world with more nuance generally, but this was great. Also love your voice!
Thank you. I was late in coming around to horror but it really is amazing the way people can use the genre to do some deep self-reflection. Also thanks for the comment on my voice. I'm always insecure about it but you made my morning.
Better late than never!
I'm actually trying to look into what positive effects horror media can have for neurodiversity, self-identity and perspective for my thesis. It was cool to see a gender perspective on it too. Especially since so few people actually know that intersex even exists and that it's a spectrum, you summarized it so nicely. And I didn't even know this kind of horror could hit close to home too.
I've always felt stuck between not feminine enough but not androgynously masculine enough, frustrated that I couldn't shape into what felt 'right' for the day - but stuff like this video and the manga exploring gender struggles universally makes it just feel more okay to exist.
Noo seriously, your voice is great! Tho I get it, I always think mine's way too high pitched and weird too, and hearing your own voice on a recording is ten times worse.
But, like - I got friends that don't mind, and an amazing partner that loves me with my weird high pitched voice, extra fluff, wider shoulders and leaning a bit more on the right side on that gaussian Female part of that graph. They helped me like myself so much more, without worrying about gender expectations.
Point is - Whatever voice you'll have; There'll be people out there liking ya just as you are.
Have a great day and thx again! Good luck with future essays and stuff
I love the work of Oshimi先生, so it was a really nice treat to find this video. I don't think I ever subconsciously noticed the lack of internal narration from the character's own mind, but it makes a LOT of sense to me. One of the things that drew me to these stories was how I was able to identify with characters, despite the fact that I never really feel connected with the characters in most other stories. I guess it was because the author left enough room for my mind to fill in the blanks, rather than creating a character that was too different from my own way of thinking (as most people/characters are)
It's something I never noticed either until it was pointed out to me. It's really changed how I read some scenes after going back and revisiting his work.
This deserves more views! Very informative and delivered in a clear and understandable way
There’s no bigger indictment of the TH-cam recommendation system that I, an Oshimi devotee, was somehow never shown your videos. Fortunately hbomberguy stepped in where TH-cam failed.
Solid video. The Okaeri Alice afterwords and basically all of Inside Mari demonstrate how autobiographical these stories are in nature. Like you say, Oshimi is a middle-aged married father, so perhaps through his art he’s trying to reckon with an early development that he never saw through. I’m a cis guy so I can’t claim personal experience here, but those Okaeri Alice afterwords struck me like the exact thoughts of someone early on in the transitioning process.
At the risk of coming off as racially or nationalistically essentialist in a video decrying gender essentialism, I must say I’ve always struggled w/ Okaeri Alice as an LGBT work and wonder how much of that owes to Japan’s lagging in social progressivism. The story frames Mitani as an antagonist and Kei as a quasi-positive force on Yo’s development, yet Kei outright SAs Yo twice and is never critiqued for it since Yo ends up liking it. Moreover the characters never grapple with their identities in LGBT terms - Yo never wonders if his feelings for Kei make him gay or bi, and Kei’s whole self-image is left for fans to fiercely debate whether he’s trans or NB or male/female (even which pronouns to use aren’t clear - your reasoning for they/them is sound but I stick with he/his since Kei uses the masculine “boku” and says at one point he “isn’t a woman”). Perhaps Japanese LGBT subculture is less focused on these kinds of terms, or maybe the story was never about sexual orientation and only the masculine-feminine gender identity spectrum. I wish there were more accessible sources on the state of LGBT issues/legality/pop culture rep in Japan to get a better sense of how Oshimi fits in.
(Perhaps it’s also true that Oshimi, for as transgressive an artist as he is, isn’t very progressive…his troubled depiction of women is a pretty resonant theme throughout his work. His early stuff like Devil Ecstasy and Yuutai Nova just come off as edgy nowadays. Even some of his newer works like Miss Kusakabe and Lily depict women in abused, frankly pornographic manners lacking in any thematic purpose…could be revealing of his feelings on matters not directly tied to his own identity, idk.)
What else…I notice you mention his reputation for downer endings. I’ve read all his manga minus his most obscure of early works, and while he consistently writes dark and challenging stories, I can’t think of any outright downer endings. At worst (Inside Mari, Chi no Wadachi) they’re bittersweet, most typically (Okaeri Alice, Happiness, Aku no Hana, Drifting Net Cafe) they’re outright happy. Maybe your choice of the word “reputation” (i.e. a false one) was deliberate!
Aw FUCK I just got to the part where you say he announced his retirement following Okaeri Alice and Chi no Wadachi. I had never seen this…my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. Do you have a link to this interview? Let’s hope he just needs a break and will come back, since he’s pretty young and surely has a lot left in the tank. His absence would be an immense loss for the medium.
Onto the Body Horror vid! Can’t wait to see what else is in store.
'boku' is primarily masculine term but it's also occasionally used by women and has a sort of gender-neutral feel when used by a femme-presenting person, so i think kei using 'boku' is actually evidence in favour of they/them pronouns. 'love me for who i am' which is about an explicitly non-binary femme character also has the protagonist use 'boku'.
honestly stumbling across you as a creator is one of the best things i’ve done this year. i love the works you’ve introduced me to and your videos, they feel well researched and like you actually care about what you talk about. thank you :)
This was really really good and it made me think a lot. Id never heard of Shuzo Oshimi before until the other day when I watched one of supereyepatchwolf's videos about Jinji Ito that mentioned Inside Mari. This community seems pretty welcoming so idk I'll leave this over personal blurb here hoping maybe someone has felt similarly before.
I'm a cis woman, but seemingly like Oshimi i have a really complicated relationship with gender. There is nothing more I want in the world than to be a woman. I have a lot of body dysphoria bc my PCOS creates certain issues which make me look more masculine. Plus I had a breast reduction surgery which only served to complicate my feelings on the whole issue. Using different pronouns or dressing differently doesnt relieve those feelings. I dress not exactly masculine I'd say androgynous maybe? But it's because I feel so unconfident in myself. I just don't look like the woman I wish I was. I love dresses, but the moment I put one on it just makes all the sharper parts of me stand out, so I don't bother.
I get along with guys better than girls, so much so that most of my guy friends refer to me as "one of the guys". I hate it. It only reaffirms that the me I am can never be a good enough woman. The female friends I do have always refer to me as a tomboy, or treat me like I'm a guy. It makes me feel like a guy, not understanding other women. And I'm bisexual but I don't date men because I haven't been able to convince one to give me a shot. And I don't date women because I always get forced into a masculine role. It all only makes me feel worse and I find it's better to be alone than deal with that.
I understand some of the way I am phrasing this is probably not the best. I'm still learning my way around how to best explain how I feel without invalidating others. To use Oshimi's example, it feels like even though I am a cis woman somebody made a mistake and put me in the male boat. And now the options are to simply suffer here or drown trying to swim to the female boat. I wish I could wake up and be in a woman's body, or to be like Kei and give up being a man. But I am in a woman's body, and there is no man to give up.
The last thing I expected from this video was Jean Valjean: Werewolf Hunter
Also the last thing I expected to make when I sat down to write this script but here we are!
Why aren’t more people liking this? I found this video to be incredibly insightful
hbomberguy directly shouted you out as a recommendation for queer youtubers in his newest video!!!!!! ;___; i'm so so glad more people will look into your channel, your videos are so fucking interesting and well done!!!!
Thank you! That does explain a few things from this morning :v
I absolutely love Welcome Back Alice. Reading it felt voyeuristic, yet simultaneously like looking into a mirror. I don't think any other author has described my experiences and desires as accurately as Shuzo Oshimi. I'm currently struggling with a lot of internalized transphobia, and reading WBA was very soothing in the sense of taking myself out of the conception of gender. It feels like the ultimate form of self actualization, ascending beyond "man" or "woman". As much as I wish Kei would be the trans-femme icon I crave, I love the uncompromising self-love they represent for me (specifically at the end of the manga).
I still think about those ending panels often. Especially with the content of the author's notes and everything Oshimi had written until that point, having the story end on this image of self-love and acceptance is so powerful
I personally enjoyed the addition that Maris experience was just a dissociative episode . Reading Inside Mari, as a trans man , i didnt necessarily interpret Mari as trans or not trans. but I did relate to her dissociation from her made up persona. How womanhood felt like a performance. How gender felt like a performance. How her persona , Mari , felt like a performance that she kept up with and put up on a pedestal. For society. How uncomfortable it felt to perform as Mari in the beginning but how she was good and skilled at her performance of That role. How she found her true self, Komori, disgusting and revolting and how she could never measure up to her idealized self , Mari, she was performing for the world .
Let me just say that I found your channel recently and I've come to adore every single one of your videos. They come from such a place of love and understanding. I haven't been able to stop thinking about this one in particular.
It helped put into words the feelings that I have been struggling with my whole life, and I sincerely thank you for that.
Every now and then I keep thinking that if I had only been born a woman I could actually be me without being scared. It's a notion that I've entertained, yet the impulse to transition has never been strong enough for me to do it or even consider it seriously. I don't suffer from body dysphoria either. I believe I'm happy being born how I was.
This video made me realize that I do not hate being a "man". But all of the societal expectations imposed on me simply because I was born with a penis. It's almost liberating being able to put that feeling into a coherent sentence after so long.
another fantastic video, thank you for your hard work! i hadn't realised inside mari was by the same author as aku no hana somehow, i had noticed the themes of gender and societal expectations in his works but didn't know the breadth of it until this video. it's really nice seeing oshimi's ideas and thoughts on gender changing over time, i really admire him taking the time to mull over the topic as much as he has!
I can't think of many other creators that have been so open about their internal questioning for so long. Even now, I don't think I could be as honest about some of these things as he is in interviews and author notes.
Thank you for this beautiful video essay. I feel less alone
I'm glad you enjoyed it and doubly glad that it helped
I'm pretty surprised that your videos have so few views. I'm loving your long form vídeo essays
The timing for that Shopenhaurer quote was incredible.
I literally just skipped and saved another video because it got me interested in “inside Mari” and now you’re talking about it.
Guess I’ll go read it
i really love this video and everything it had to offer, it gave me a lot of new perspectives and a desire to create works like this. that said, as an intersex person myself, when referring to intersex people (people who's chromosomes, gonads, natural hormones and/or genitals don't align with the social bimodal framework of sex) use variation rather than condition. we aren't illnesses
I apologize. That's a much better framework and what I'll use going forward.
@@RickiHirsch Thanks a ton
I've been staring at the event horizon of taking action about my dysphoria for nearly a year since I let myself acknowledge it.
It's terrifying and videos like this and the body horror one make me feel less alone in these anxieties and panics I'm stuck swirling in.
I'm sorry you're dealing with that and glad this could bring you some comfort. I'm just an internet person but I'm hoping for nothing but the best for ya.
Wow!! The amount of research done in this video makes me so happy and this was all so well done. Great work :]
Thank you! I was worried that all the different ideas wouldn't gel together but I'm proud of how it turned out.
Thats kinda awesome that oshimi uses art to explores his own mind, figuring out things that troubles him deeply and just bang out amazing works while at it
Also oh my god tomoko yamashita is awesome
There really aren't many writers out there doing it like him. It's hard not to feel like a voyeur when reading his work sometimes.
I love this video so much. Your way to speak is very nice and this is super inspiring as a creator myself. Thank you for this!
Thank you. That's just about the best feedback I could ever hope for 😊
I really love flowers of evil and I enjoyed this analysis on his body of work! Thank you for your time
this is one of those videos that make me rethink my perspective on life, especially after watching ceicocat’s video about inside mari. thank you
I still think Oshimi Shuzo needs to get force femmed for their own good, if only for a week.
I really enjoyed all of Shuzo's works that I read, the psychology just drips from the page in the depictions of the characters.
And I really enjoyed this video of yours. But I have to be curious about your thoughts and feelings towards The Self Harm Chapter of Welcome Home, Alice, if only for the brutality of it and it being the lowest point Yo reaches.
IMHO, It's one of the more brutal chapters he's written on both an emotional and physical level. The attention in Yo's facial expressions in that chapter and the few leadings up to it have stuck with me as well.
I really like your style of video essay. The visuals are nice and minimalistic. Its refreshing when so many people just try to become contra clones
Thank you. I try to keep things minimal both to keep the visuals from being distracting and to make it easier on myself during editing.
Hey I wanna say that your analysis and overall path of reasoning fucking rocks. The ability to connect all these complex ideas along with an analysis of 3 different stories and tie them to together with a strong conclusion is amazing.
And with the topic of gender identity, I can strongly agree with your hot take. While queer people have the experience of going through a troubled relationship with their gender, a lack of focus on the people who don’t go through that is damaging.
Also the idea of a cultural checklist, that comes with assigned gender male, that pushes a relationship with women rather than a healthy connection, was really eye opening.
But I love this video and I plan to check out the rest of your channel.
Glad you enjoyed. I was worried that all the different ideas wouldn't mesh together in the end but it seems like everything worked out.
@@RickiHirsch I think that with a tighter conclusion With a more overarching reach on these idea would help with allowing all these idea rest together.
Like with the biological analysis of what makes gender into the idea of the spectrum was interesting along with the transinvestagors. But in the end, I think it was ultimately lost, but helped to set up the ideas of gender.
i am transmasc nonbinary and this really resonated with me. thank you
all i can say is, i *really* resonated a lot with yohei, especially towards the end where he attempts to self-mutilate
prior to starting to medically transition, my sexuality felt like hell, i abused pornography a ton to cope with the intense dysphoria (that i wasnt even aware of then haha) and only once i had been on hormones for a couple weeks and started to notice that my libido had fully flatlined was the time i felt comfortable in my own skin
i dont really know where im going with this, but seeing how much oshimi shuzo struggles with sexuality and identity, i cant help but share my own struggles that feel SO similar to what is conveyed through the text, as a transgender woman myself
really hope shuzo gets to figure stuff out for himself (no matter what direction), i wish him all the best
great video by the way ajsakldjasdk
Thank you. I also hope Shuzo is able to find some peace and that last author note in Alice seems to suggest that he has. I heard he's working on a new project and I'm really curious to know what it'll deal with.
i started reading he's stuff and it one of the most unique stuff i read, also how he played with the horror genre is much more diferent.
for example, the shining is mostly for making you fell fear and dread and less of a happy conclusion.
but the flower of evil, Even blood on the track has really mess up stuff that make you fell nervous of our existence and are own self, but with some confort and mayby an understanding of dark nature.
it's surprisingly it not just scary or anxious thing i read but also most beautiful stuff underneath it.
thank you for your videos! they are pretty great and i will be saving them in my little playlist for "if i were to explain gender how would i do it with videos" :3
Thank you. That's really high praise in my book
When I stare into a mirror it’s as if I’m looking right through myself, there’s nothing there, I feel when others are conversing with me they do the same, my body is not my body, I’m trying to make it mine though, thank you
Flowers of Evil is the most terrifying Manga/Anime I've read/watched. It's insanely good.
look at all that beautiful citation in that video description
Fuck yeah, I’m happy to see more video essays from you!
Thank you. I'm gonna keep doing my best out here.
I feel that the Eastern concepts of Yin and Yang are more nuanced and a better fit than gender essentialism. So there's a certain comfort in knowing that even Eastern artists can struggle with this issue as well. It does suggest that there is sometthing universal in the longing to conform.
Just as a person is not "Yin" or "Yang", they are "more Yin" or "more Yang", a person is not a "man" or a "woman" they are more masculine or more feminine. There are men who are more feminine and women who are more masculine and unless you are a gender essentialist that is okay. I have grown up believing that, and it has made me happy with my gender because I choose what being a man means to me. I reject the idea of "being manly' because I don't care what society thinks "manly" is supposed to be.
I haven't yet decided if that is the definition of "genderqueer" or not. Probably not, but I'd rather just think of myself as a cis man who can understand anyway.
it's so satisfying to hear you talk about Oshimi's work and with every word being able to say "yep, she actually gets it"
i think it's vital to my reading that Mari is into women. she projects her revulsion with her own attraction to women onto isao, and taking his persona as an introject allows her to distance that attraction from herself while still being present in those feelings and getting to do the things she wishes she could do. while isao's expression of his attraction to women is considered perverse (and thus relatable for Mari), it is fundamentally acceptable in a way mari does not see her own attraction as being--isao could grow up and date a woman his age and stop reading hentai, but mari feels like she cant stop being a woman who is attracted to women. Her lesbianism makes her essentially not a woman, a failure at being a woman, because a woman is a person who will marry a man. And i think that she could just forget all the femininity she had learned and then presume herself a man speaks a lot to how learned all those behaviors are.
honestly i think theres a lot of potential in a transmasculine read of mari too, and i related a lot on that level. shes at this point in her life where she feels so boxed in by her mother and friends expectations of who she is, and what does she fantasize about being to escape that? some guy. she couldve fantasized about being some super feminine heterosexual woman, but she chooses a random guy that she related to deeply. and ultimately being just some guy was a more attainable goal than being a heterosexual woman for mari
ooo and there's a lot to be said about how mari expresses such distance from those feelings from her body when shes being isao that make a lot of sense from an angle of dysphoria
Mari is one of those stories I think someone really needs to read twice. Everything you laid out here didn't really click with me until a second reading and is one of the reasons Mari has stuck with me like it has. Even stuff like the locker room scene that felt goofy on the first reading take on a whole new dimension knowing where the story goes.
This was another beautiful essay(? I guess, whatever im gonna call it that) it's always incredible to see analysis of topics relating to gender because it hits so hard for me as a pretty young trans girl who has yet to fully start her transition. Thanks, and I hope you continue to enjoy making this type of content for a while because it's the type of content that's pretty melancholy in tone but also like that's a good thing (catharsis I guess). Have an amazing day, and I hope you get to make more amazing and insightful analysis.
Thank you. I hope you had a good day as well. I'll keep doing my best going forward. I wanna make the kind of things that I also like to watch.
Wow I relate so much to the things you included from Oshimi. Where can I find his work to read? I've been feeling a need to explore my gender exploration in my art instead of just in my head anymore. Thank you for this ❤
There are official English releases for most of his work as well as a few live action drama adaptations. The first part of the flowers of evil also has an anime adaption.
Here from Hbomb's video, I really enjoy listening to your presentation style, subbed!
Amazing video as always, I don't usually comment on TH-cam but I wanted to thank you for introducing me to welcome back alice, which ultimately played a big part in me realising I'm non-binary, so thank you and keep up the good work, lots of love ❤
ohmigosh a queer take on one of my favorite mangaka, ilysm!
inside mari helped me come to terms with the parts inside myself...but i still think i need a Tokiwa...
Wow, that was an incredible video. As someone who has been struggling with their gender and ideas if what is masculine and feminine within me, i took a lot from this video. This is the first time ive come across your channel and i cant wait to work through the rest of your work.
This and the Queer Horror video are in my forever watch list for incredible gender revelations and re-examining gender assumptions even though I've been out for several years now
This is a video and chanel I never knew I needed. Thank you for showing pieces of media I would never have stumbled on my own 😊
I love Oshimi's work and I'm glad to hear that this video could help people discover it 😊
I vehemently disagree that the ending of Inside Mari ruins it. I am struggling to put this into words but i will try. As someone socialized as a girl/woman from birth no other piece of media has more poignantly displayed the specific horrors of growing up. Especially as a trans person; the disassociation with your body, viewing it through a presumed male perspective, and then sexualizing it from that perspective in order to cope (like "i am deeply uncomfortable living in my body but it has vaule to men as a sexual object so if i veiw it through that lense than its okay"). In order to survive in a fundamentally misogynistic world people perceived as girls and women already have to have a Double Consciousness; the you of yourself and the you that youre allowed to be and is safe. So for Mari the reality of living as a girl is so impossibly hard that it easier to break her mind entirely and just become what she think the male gaze is.
Hope this makes sense
It does make sense. I don't think the ending ruins it. It's outstanding and I've only come to like it more as time has gone on. It just ended up going in a very different direction than I was personally expecting when I first read it.
this is a great video. i think alot of people could learn something from this.
RICKI THIS MODEL IS SO CUTE also the video was good too
Thank you! There are some things I still gotta polish but I'm so so happy with it so far
As a non-binary high school junior, the feeling of people being put into gender boxes is still so prevalent in my environments. It feels really good to see a video like yours here, one that has both introduced me to a relatable story and shown light on insight I didn’t even think about myself. Heh, it’s easy to not stop and think, is it? Anyways, I did watch to the end, and I felt obligated to comment something, because I really appreciated this, as well as the body horror video! Thank you, I’ll tune in to your stuff again in the future :3
Thank you for making this
I was worried I was gunna lose track of your channel, but i'm glad I found it again so i could subscribe
I'm gonna return to this when i finish the series of Oshimi that i haven't yet :)
I really needed something new to listen to at work and this really hit the spot. I can’t wait to see your other videos.
This is a great video! Thanks for making it. Very well done!
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it!
7:51 the problem here is emergence: the more axes (chromosomes, hormones, brains, etc.) you add, the easier it is to tell male from female, and the lower the probability of falling in the intersex box. If having at least one intersex trait is "as likely as having red hair", 1.7%, tossing that into a binomial calculator for 6 axes shows only 1/100,000 people would be truly nonassignable. For 8 axes, its 1/62.5 million. For 10, its 1 in 250 million. For 12 axes, no truly intersex person exists, and for 14, no intersex person has ever existed: every person who has ever lived on earth could be absolutely assigned male or female, being majority one or the other.
Damn shame that intersex people absolutely exist then
@@RickiHirsch Intersex people exist, but my point is that "intersex" is socially constructed and the biological sex binary is biologically real, sub specie aeternitatis, rather than the reverse.
Carl Jung came up with 3 concepts that apply to gender: The shadow, the collection of all of our traits that we repress, whether they are good or bad; The anima, the collection of the desires and attributes of a man's personality that are deemed by society to be too feminine for men to express; and the animus, the collection of the desires and attributes of a woman's personality that are deemed by society to be too masculine for women to express. Since the anima and animus are repressed, they end up being part of the shadow, along with all the other things we repress. The problem with the shadow is that these parts of ourselves constantly struggle to be expressed, and we constantly struggle to deny and suppress them; when the pressure gets too great, they can escape and be expressed, often with destructive consequences. Jung wrote that men and women must explore their anima and animus in order to achieve a more balanced and integrated personality.
What is considered masculine and feminine varies from culture to culture (they are literally a cultural construct), but humans are born with personality traits that exist on a spectrum, and the personality traits we are born with do not always (or rarely) line up with what our culture says we should or shouldn't have. It was bad enough when we had to deal with the expectations of our family or village, but at least neighbors and family members are usually willing to accept a person's eccentricities. Now we have the internet, and a video camera in everybody's pocket ready to record us, and we compare ourselves daily to people we don't know. We are bombarded with messages of how men and women should and shouldn't be, and and the pressure to conform with societal expectations can leave us feeling suffocated when we have to push too much of ourselves into the shadow.
haven't watched yet ( I will! ) But I actually just recently began an essay on gender in shuzo oshimi's works
"When everyone's trans, no one will be."
-Syndrome
Really glad to know the author got to a point where Welcome Back, Alice was possible. Only caught Mari by chance, and it had a sense of deep pain to it.
I wasn't sure what to expect at the start of the series but I was so happy to read that final chapter and author note after following Oshimi for 10+ years. When I first read Mari, I had to put it down and come back years later over that sense of pain in it.
It’s incredibly hard to read oshimi’s author’s note comic because I feel the same way (despite being afab) I want to quit being a woman so bad, but it always feels impossible to do so. Although I’m not from a Japan (I’m south east asian) but if I have to guess but it might have something to do with Japan’s extreme gender essentialism in itself. It’s known that east asian countries are less fluid about their gender ideation. His sentiment towards agab is inscrutably painful and hopeless which I also relate. I was growing up in a strict homophobic and transphobic school, and 10 years ago being queers was super frowned upon. Not to mention how you’d never see trans people in media depicted in a positive light, and being androgynous in a non conventional way is made fun of. I relate to that a lot, and the idea that you have to suck it up in your own gender, because you both will never be the perfect at your agab nor become a wholly perfect trans is painfully accurate in his writing.
Anyway I just want to say it hurts every time reading about his thoughts on gender. Despite wanting to transition, I still question if I also have to suck it up at my own gender as I still enjoy many feminine activities. I’m not very masculine at all and it makes me wonder if anyone would believe me when I say I don’t want to be a woman. I somewhat thinking oshimi might feel the same way. Since you’re operating almost perfectly in your assigned gender role, is it valid to not be. I know this question would have an easier answer in the west, but in many asians countries for now, even being trans is somewhat binary, and being a non binary trans is not quite commonly understood…
It's cutting even years into my own transition. I don't have the same cultural background but also struggled for many many years with the dilemma of whether I just needed to suck it up and deal with my lot in life while growing up in a homo and transphobic household. I came to my own conclusion but those author notes still bring me back there in a way I'd never expect from a manga author's note.
im sorry the study title "Rigid Gender Role Beliefs and Transphobia are Related to Engagement with Fetal Sex Celebrations" is FUCKING WILD. Goes insanely hard i lol'd
ELEPHANT IN THE WOMB AHAHAHAHA
I can't confirm that the authors hi-fived over that one but they certainly earned it
I don’t know why but the lack of exploration of nonhetero sexuality in these works makes me sad. Like, I'm a cis gay man and I suppose that may influence my relationship to gender but it truly seems like he gives way too much stock to sex with women in the defining traits of manhood, to an even greater degree than I even see on Western media. I don’t give much thought about manhood but it seems like he could explore in himself asexual or even gay possibilities, at the very least talk to people with asexual, gay or generally queer experiences as it may help his soul searching. However I'm aware that there is cultural distinction between Japan and our Internet culture
I have this feeling of not identifying that much with me being a man, or my male expression. Wether it's due to the differences in gay expression of gender/masculinity, detachment to gender identity due to Buddhism and meditation focusing on nonselfhood or being unknowingly agender, I do not know.
I don't know why but I feel comfortable in my skin as human. I see both men and women as human first.
In relation to myself I feel myself as human first, as attracted to men second and this feeling like a man comes third or even lower.
This is because the focus of my social identity is more as meditator, seeker, student, math nerd than any of these ideas of libidinal male or protector male, stoic male, provider male, adventurer male or whatever the supposed "normal"/ideal man should be. This reminds me of Queer Time and how we don't have the same concept and timeframe as cishet males of which "achievements" should happen when due to our displacement in society (ie. no teenage first kiss or sexual experience, no early to mid twenties marriage, etc.). I see all these pitfalls even though I'm attracted to masculinity. Thus seeing so much suffering due to attachment to an specific ideal of manhood strikes me as very sad
@@andrecorso550 Thank you so mich for an amazing comment. I have been questioning my gender for a year and a half and this comment resonated so strongly with me (as a gay ace male). I too feel so similar to what you have described. I have a question - Do you see this experance as a CIS experance that is just uncommon/not talked about. Or a non-binary/genderqueer one? Would love to hear you opinion.
A great video! I do have to say I liked the plot summaries but at the same time I can't say it felt like they were missing. This felt complete as is. I look forward to the possible white notebook video
I'm glad. I wasn't sure how I felt about it myself but this is reassuring.
amazing work
Thank you!