The problem with first party real-money item sales and paid services is the massive conflict of interest inherent to such dynamics. When devs directly profit from item sales and paid services within their own game, then those devs are financially incentivized to design their game so as to maximize player engagement with real money sales and paid services. If there's a real-money auction house, then devs have a literal profit-motive to create obstacles, challenges, and hardships that are best alleviated not with gameplay but rather with real money exchanges. One of the most famous examples of this dynamic is Shadow of War, the sequel to Shadow of Mordor. Both are single player games, but Shadow of War included a ton of paid microtransactions at launch. Among those microtransactions were "experience boosters" that increased the rate of player progression. To incentivize the player to purchase these boosters, the devs deliberately turned the game into a an unnecessarily grindy and painful slog. So whereas Shadow of Mordor was a fun and well-balanced game, Shadow of War was an exercise in pure frustration. When only third parties make money off of item sales and paid services, the devs are not financially motivated to sacrifice the integrity of their game. In fact, it's exactly the opposite; devs are financially motivated to punish third party gold sellers and their customers, which helps to maintain the integrity of a game's economy. Anyone who says "gold selling is inevitable, why shouldn't the devs regulate and benefit from it" hasn't thought about the idea for more than a minute.
great comment actually! why are people accepting microtransactions in their games? have the integrity to quit like the rest of us and don't buy in to these games and quit buying and playing them for god sake haha
Been about 8 years since my Mom passed... nice to remember what she did for me. Easy to take Moms for granted --- especially those first 10 years of life.
@21:42 I actually think that viewer asked a legitimate question. Of all the sponsorships to accept in a video that criticizes MMORPGs, accepting one about an MMORPG - i.e. Raid Shadow Legends - that requires you to praise it is very ironic and cringy and makes it harder to take this guy seriously.
perhaps the greatest thing about P2W games is; by the time you realize you should never play a pay to win game, you are invested into one that has you hooked as your only P2W game from then on
Runescape has the most interesting quests of any game I have ever played. That's especially crazy considering how many there are. Even without having to level your skills it would still take hundreds of hours to complete all the quests, more time than any other mmo that just has "kill x" quests.
My top 3 Experience over the years as child playing runescape was Getting baited and betrayd in the pvp zone grinding ores And getting baited by my brothers that they will pay me meber when i get my ignite to 99. What a poor innocent boy i was till i figured out they tricked me They never gave me member after reaching 99 :(
The guy doesn't want to play RPGs. He hates story, he hates UI elements that are about building your character, he wants people to have specific builds that the community recommends, rather than let people work it out themselves, he doesn't want to manage inventory. He needs to just go back to FPS games where he doesn't need to think.
My main thing is excessive grind, when the game treats you like you have nothing else to do in your life, and if so you must give it all up if you want this mount (WoW). Charging ridiculous prices for higher tiers of an expansion bundle for a few cosmetic items (LotRO).
In terms of the overwhelming number of skills when you boost a character: the same is also rue if you didn't boost it, but have not played the character in a long time, they did major reworks, or if you change your spec. If I leveled to max level as an elemental shaman, but then I want to try out enhancement, I will have no idea wtf is going on and will have to spend a long time reading through every skill and trying to determine which ones I need to have keybound, in which order to press them, all of the different procs, etc. It might be better to just roll a new shaman and play enhancement from the start, but do I really want to spend that much time to level a new toon?
What I hate to the bone: Dailies are shit. Disabled player trading. Soul/Account bound items. Ingame currency inflation. Increased sub prices. Being limited in getting certain ressources in a day/week is extremely scummy. If I wanna grind something endlessly, I want to be able to without being locked out of it. (Timegating shit). Idiotic useless Items that fill your inventory. Adventure/Battle pass shit. Season Passes before the game is even released. Early access rewards. Daily log in reward shit, that's lets you miss the completion of something if you didn't log in for x consecutive days. Any pay to win item, skipping mechanic. Non banned cheaters. Terrible or non existant customer support. Bots, Goldsellers/scammers. Whales that enforce companies to implement even more scummy monetization. Free to PAY games (Free to play does not really exist). Copy paste game clones.
9:20 That why i like archeage. I really think it teaches you well throughout the leveling process how the end game gonna play out and most of the possibility for improvement you can work towards, creating a smooth leveling to endgame experience .
Swtor was definitely like that with end-game dailys. I got so burned out on dailies just to get the upgrades for gear and it was so tedious and I got so burned out on it even though I absolutely loved the storylines and quests.
40:30 Ragnarok Online has something like that with Vending, you set up a stall with items while you are logged out people can view and purchase, would be nice if you could do similar in bdo where you can assign your character to do certain job while game is off, reduced gains or something
A wow private server handles class builds better than any mmorpg, they have their ui with a page specifically for people to add public builds that can be upvoted if good and its sorted by patches.
I know what you're talking about and... It's sad that if I wanna go play WoW, my first choice is a private server and not actual Classic, because of all the changes and additions the PS devs have made. It's so different at this point it feels difficult to compare the two.
@@anniel9416 yeah, they tend to feel more feature rich and a lot of the QoL issues we have with retail or classic get resolved but in a good fashion vs bs methods that just cause more issues. It's nice too that they give players more agency to vote on things for the servers benefit.
1:23 I played Raid as f2p soon after its launch, when it wasnt monetized as much as nowadays and didnt have sponsored videos/streams. It was fun - every content was completely clearable at a high level with an appropriate team, consisting of sometimes even just uncommon rated heroes, because even though they had just 1 ability, it was this good for this specific fight. Then, when you finally could clear everything at your max potential, you would hit a wall - you wouldnt been able to progress without certain legendary characters, who needed to have a certain ability leveled up to max (abilities levels ranged 1-5 I believe). You could only level the skills up with a suitable rarity of a skill book, so thats legendary skill book for legendary heroes - 1 timegated per month at that time if I recall correctly. Thats unless of course, if you had have won a tournament (that was hard to even get to top 1000 as a f2p player, without even speaking about winning) that occured like once per 3-7 days, I dont really remember. So you would need at least 4 books to lvl up an ability (so 4 months of f2p playing), at least, because one random ability was leveled up at a use of one single book. That made me quit, but I certainly dont regret, and sometimes I even miss, my 2-3 months of daily 30 min gameplay I had with this game. Community was a blast too.
I like to have the option to go full story mode. In Genshin and Honkai you have that (minus when a new event forces you to get it done asap to not miss out). 90% of the time I am farming, collecting, experimenting - your typical "2nd monitor on" stuff. But I feel like "once in a while, I use all the stuff to easily do the story making my work pay off" is a great motivation factor. Like some chocolate you are keeping in closet.
@10:05 So true. For example for me, I used boost in WoW only to e.g. lvl up the same class but in Alliance that I already have max on Horde. One time I boosted DK Horde and the amount of things I had to learn at once was too much to have fun of it
I had the two kind of friend when I tried wow. One wanted me to read the story and care about the characters and stuff. The other wanted me to get straight to the grinding and gamplay. I didn't play more than that month
story and lore is always the best choice for MMOs imo. its a new world that you're a part of and will invest lots of time in. try to immerse yourself and actually give a crap about that world and you'll stick around for sure.
Honestly the ability to know the quality of an opponent's gear from how it looks is something I don't like in the first place. It creates a knowledge gap, and you lose all the risk inherent to PvP. You fight people weaker and don't fight people as good or stronger. If a game had to have the ability to determine gear quality before an ambush, I'd do three things: - I'd put inspection behind a job, with maybe consumables to one-time increase the inspection ability. - I'd make the inspection window have different levels of details (per-item). A successful inspection could lead you to get all the details, while one that barely passes would lead to approximations. A failed inspection on an item would lead to just question marks everywhere. - I'd give players the ability to better "disguise" their gear with another job. A better disguised gear would fare better against inspections. Not only does it recreate the premeditation based on gear, but it also extends gameplay for both parties in a new direction.
What if a game is completely based around knowledge gaps? World of tanks relies on knowing the statistics for all of the hundreds of tanks in order to win.
@@blakkwaltz My focus was on MMORPGs. There are games where it's just part of the main gameplay, so there's no reason to do anything about it. If the game is meant to have knowledge gaps, it should. But in mmorpgs, this kind of knowledge is too good. Unlike WOT, WOW can't just assume players are going to kill each other. So an embush that does or doesn't happen due to that knowledge is a permanent imbalance in aggression between different levels. I'd have less of an issue with it if it was in a matchmaking system and not in the wild. There would be no way to only fight weaker opponents, and being able to adapt your strategy to your opponent's gear would add a layer of depth.
@@Exilum in world of tanks small tanks have better camouflage so one tactic would be to camouflage a player's gear only to players that are higher level than them
@@blakkwaltz That sounds interesting, until you realize it doesn't serve any purpose in this context. It would an even faster proof that the gear is low level. In WOT, it serves to conceal your presence, in our context, they are already aware of it.
The daily thing made me quit Genshin 😂 that was the beginning of the end of me playing all live service games in general tbh I just play story games now and I’ve been blessed with the joy of gaming again
i tried to get into genshin because my partner played it, but then they told me about the daily system and i put it down knowing they would too in a couple weeks. they quit not long after me
From my limited experience, devs don’t decide game design…they simply implement what they’ve been told to do on their task boards. Today’s games are designed by shareholders and business management degree holders and built by devs.
The worst thing about MMORPGs? How about Sunsetting content? Especially content you paid for. And companies shouldn’t have to make a separate game just to play the older stuff. It’s craziness.
I hate raiding in MMOS. I hate it because it requires getting a lot of add-ons to manage triggers, phases, etc. I hate it because you have to study the fights ahead of time on 3rd party sites like youtube just so you don't waste everyone else's time by taking a few steps to the left at the wrong time. I hate the inordinate amount of time a raid takes once it hits 2+ hours because that means I can't just play for an evening, I have to schedule this shit ahead of time and make an appointment. I hate it because it requires doing so much that ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME that it ends up feeling like a JOB instead. PvP has most of the same problems, just replace studying boss fights with studying meta pvp tactics and builds. The most fun I ever had in WoW was the early days doing a 10-man plain ordinary dungeon run. It was tough but it was doable by the seat of your collective pants. You could go in without knowing everything ahead of time and have a reasonable opportunity for success. You could treat it not like homework or a job, but like an Adventure. So when the "End Game" is raiding and pvp, and the "game starts at endgame" that game is a hard pass, thanks.
22:14 I think the reason is mostly because of the shareholders, higher-ups, or what not. They dont want any shit that loses them money or any opportunities of getting it, even if it takes one of the most essential aspects of the game that makes it a true mmo
38:20 OMG. Just try craft legendaries in guild wars 2. It opens this item on ALL of your characters. There is even no need to put it to another character, it's just already here when you login by other character. Otherwice, general top gear like "ascended quality" is account wide just like you said, you can give it to another character via account bank. In this game it was like this since 2012 duuuude.
Honest with multiple gearsets, the only thing I tolerate is is they give you like special abilities or passives or whatever to justify having multiple of them, otherwise it is just putting on shirts with different numbers attatched which is boring, imo i would be fine sgaring a single gearset across all classes that gets higher as I progress and then the main difference is I just can make them look different with like a transmog or glamour system, the number attatched to my armor matter less to me (besides meeting basic requirements for content) than how they look
I started playing SWTOR after a 2 year hiatus and back then I was subscribed. Now I am not subscribed and I never realized until now that all the quality of life features that I enjoyed are locked behind a subscription or paying real money. That’s annoying.
25:00 big disagree with the video on this point. Gear sets enhance class identity and complexity in my opinion. Building my different sets for tanking, healing and DPS was one of my primary joys in Classic and TBC. The fact that I never had any free inventory space used to be a running gag between me and my guild. It was fun to prepare and build for all kinds of different scenarios. Unique and versatile gear was so good in the 60 days, that would not have been possible with the extreme amount of streamlining that continued to happen with each expansion.
Might have been a point of friction that you turned into a positive which is neat. But I hate when I constantly have full bags and can't loot what I want!
I love inventory management in games like Resident Evil cause it is about planning in that game - Do I need to have room for my shotgun if I encounter a licker or do I risk it. Do I need to carry around this key item or can I store it for later.
The "can I store it" part is somewhat important I think. There are two big problems with inventory management in a lot of games (not just MMOs - I've been annoyed by this shit going back all the way to like the original Final Fantasy games): 1) The sheer number of items to manage. MMOs often have tens if not hundreds of thousands of items, especially long-running MMOs like WoW or FF14. It's just too much to keep track of if the game forces you to do so manually. 2) "What should I delete"? It just feels terrible having to purge a toy or a piece of gear that you spent a long time obtaining just because you ran out of inventory space. Being able to "store" it in some fashion alleviates that a lot (the key item in your example, but also having toys/pets/mounts/transmog sets/etc maintained elsewhere falls into this category - can sell or otherwise delete the original item as the "important" part (the cosmetic) is saved in a dedicated system. Crafting materials tend to be a major problem in this regard. Its rare that you can (reasonably) hold more than 1-2 sets of materials at a time, and they usually don't have alternative storage. So if you're for example wanting to level a new crafting skill you find yourself having to first offload any materials for your existing skills and then start a continuous cycle of obtaining each tier's materials, using them, purging the leftovers, rinse and repeat. Maybe that's not _so_ bad if you follow a guide that lays out exactly what materials you need every step of the way so there's little you have to "purge" at the end, but now you've got it leveled and you decide to go back and fill in the recipes you missed? Get to do the whole purge and obtain process all over again. Its not _hard_ really, but its immensely frustrating (at least if you have the gold to buy all the materials - its even worse if you have to farm them yourself or wait for auction sales to complete at each step).
3:28 I love how LazyPeon often uses bits of Lineage 2 old soundtrack, I think it's beautiful and one of the best MMO soundtracks, with quite distinctive tunes for every area, also some nostalgia for me. 7:05 I agree, I personally love to explore and just fiddle around a bit learning things, being thrown into endgame is not for me, I always try to avoid it by slowing down levelling in games, but that doesn't always help.
I was literally looking if anyone else picked up Lineage 2 soundtrack, man, I wish they dropped L3 bringing it up to date on graphics and mechanics, cut away a ton of microtransactions they have now and it would be actually some competition to WoW.
The WoW token has completely killed the game for me personally. Having them in retail is one thing but the day they put them in classic is when I quit. I don't want my IRL social status to follow me in game, so for me it killed wrath entirely.(and as per the video its what I hate most about WoW)
@@alexanderp8882 it completely ruined the game for me especially because GDKP is so common now. (And I prefer to pug, not a fan of weekly scheduled raids anymore)
oh noes! instead of buying gold from gold farmers you can buy it from blizzard. Meanwhile heroic lichking was killed in a couple hours on classic. Surely the token is the problem and makes the game so easy.
What sucks about transmog, say in like lfr, is when an upgrade drops and some ass hat wins the roll. You whisper if you can get it but they reply that they need it for transmog. Meanwhile they have 437+ gear. Makes you not even wanna try.
@@Wurldz if they do it’ll kill the Economy and drive to play. I play classic wow because I am excited how my auctions go and how I lift my dps. If they make 200k gold for 10$ it’ll buy off my drive for auctions completely, breaking game economy in the process and I’ll have all blues and purples on start and will consider it as a done task like the retail.
GW2 barely has any exposition on quests. You can just run around zones completing quests without even knowing where the quest giver is. The imagem dude used at 30:00 is not from quests.
I hate dailies because it reduces my fun to a checklist usually. I miss the days of mmos where i had no daily quests and I would think “what will I work on today? What quests should I start? Where should I go” RuneScape was a game I never had a daily checklist. You did what you planned to do and if you didn’t login you just wasted potential exp that day. Now it seems like most games want you to focus on dailies then get the fuck off. Lots of player hand holding afraid to make reasons to play the game because they want to, make up reasons they can’t miss a day. Often times I wonder why I even play some games because I can’t remember when I had fun in them. I’m just in the cycle of getting my daily account progression to be ready for eventual fun that may come……. Fun games sadly are like remnant 2. You enjoy them for 30 or so hours then you are done. Nothing to force you to play and no endless grind to waste your time. Part of you wishes it was there but if it was you know the fun would dry up and it would be just like all the shitty games as a service games you stopped enjoying but continue to play and tell yourself you still do.
Transmog needs a don't-see-transmogs ring for PvPers and so on. It helps dramatically with finding non-combat gear to form an evil tree hunting group in runescape, for instance.
just make it so that the transmog is only visible to other players while in safe zones otherwise its off to you while you run around in your cool fit for yourself.
3:32 guild wars 2 fixed that issue for the most part 3 expansions ago, so the guy doing the video is using outdated gameplay. Now, since 2017 all random gear loot is stackable which saves a tone of space.
It should be realistic. You go in a first person view and you have to rifle around for the item you're looking for. Or dump everything on your table to find it. 10/10 would be the best immersive experience.
think you could or should to the same thinks with crafting. instead of just creathing 50 mithrilshoulder paldrons to get from 250 to 280 BS skill maybe craft a few but make it so that you are actually implemented in the act of crafting and also have your skill in crafting mini games be a variable in how powerful your gear can be.
A lot of RWT happens with unauthorized card users, which causes charge backs, which causes VISA saying hey, you keep getting all of these charge backs then we'll cut you off. When bonds were released on RS, it cut a huge chunk of RWT, but at the expense of game quality, I guess. I think RS bonds are decent, because the cost usually lingers around 60-70M gp(x2 for a month), you can easily make that in 5 days at 1-2 hours a day for 1 month membership. You get triple the amount of gold if you RWT, but then if you get caught and banned, you just lost loads of progress. Yeah, I don't like add ons, it's just one more than you need to play. It is convenient though, because I hate doing clue scrolls and puzzles, lol.
You know what a good MMO is? The one whose soundtrack you hear years later that brings a rush of good memories of socializing with the players behind PCs, raiding open world with those people, PvP-ing open world with those people for a very high stakes prize, and actually enjoying the time invested in pure grind. 2:50 - Lineage 2 - the flute you hear is the theme from the Town of Dion.
I remember the exposition at the opening of Shadowlands. You had to stay near the 'talking npc' or they would stop and wait until you came back to continue. And to make it worse, they spoke so slow, I just wanted to quit. I kept hoping it would get better, but it never did.
Add ons and wow is an interesting conversation. In vanilla their ui was so laughably bad that its debatable if it was even possible to do group content without some ui improvements. Even retail is barely functional in that regard with horrendous buff / debuff tracking and no ability to resize or move ability bars.
Ive noticed this too and i dont ge it. There was someone that did a review of the mass effect series and everything they critisized were the RPG eliments of it. The fast rush high octain game styles of today have spoiled people IMO.
Yes all they seem to care is the combat, and if the combat is not what they consider "good" or "better than game X" then is trash 😂 and at the same complaining why all MMORPGs are bad.
A lot of players are more concerned with having a good endgame gearing/content loop than having a good immersive experience. In reality its very important to have both, but getting both right is very difficult to nail down and requires a lot of effort. An mmorpg like WoW could do it with the amount of devs they have, but they're all caught up in red tape and poor management decisions.
isn't raid sponsoring that video kind of contradictionary? it's mobile so it is p2w, it is all bad that mmo now has, and since it probably has online arena it kind is a mmo
@@drdynanite i mean more like person who made video, whining about current state of mmo and using exactly that kind of game as a sponsor, from first 3 points in the video, 2 matches raid
To much MMO not enough RPG these days. Id rather have an MMORPG with no lvls and almost no UI popping up every 5 seconds for everything that happens in the world. Maybe just gear score and quests that rweard exploring the world with new skills and shit. And have a huge crafting system thats ceucial for getting better gear, ex profesions needing other profesions to craft something. Like a sword would need a blacksmith, a tailor, and more to get it created.
How about a game that's fulfilling where you choose if it teaches you throughout the game or you can just learn the game on your own, one of my biggest pet peeves in games is the game holding your hand for an hour of tutorial before finally setting you loose.
12:17 as someone that has cumpleted dragon slayer 2 4+ times different pk builds along with monkey madnes 2 i dont like questing anymore. normal players like it though i do like the guild wars 2 questing so far but im new and lv 21 :p
He's talking about problems in MMOs and breaks for an ad from RAID SHADOW LEGENDS? "Not a good look," as the saying goes. Always nice to hear Stones from Ultima, though.
3:50 Peon: "Inventory management makes me want to quit mmorpgs" Peon: "I've played mmos where you need to loot every item from each individual mob kill" Also Peon: "Classic WoW HC is the best mmo out there"
Well you aren't wrong but at least in classic items actually feel valuable so you don't mind a bit of inventory management for it. Getting bags is also a big part of progression and they can be a costly investment and not someting you get with irl money. At least I personally love going fishing for crates in stv at around level 20 to get some 14 slot bags.
Simple loot fix: All kills automatically send anything that drops straight to you without clicking the dead mob All craftable and usable items go into a craftable storage area that is account wide and can be accessed from anywhere Gear goes to a gear storage anywhere accessible by anywhere on that account. Lots of sorting and filter methods and automatic rules you can set-up to salvage and sell items you know you'll never need (e.g. rule to salvage everything under a certain level) Transmogs are collected automatically upon looting any piece of gear account wide
Yes, i started a New warrior when i started to play again in bfa just because when i played my old warrior everything about the questlines, everything was changed so it was faster learning it from scratch
Transmog is a direct consequence of power creep. It sucks bonkers when an awesome-looking piece of gear you farmed hours to get becomes useless because some other new piece is just better. Now you have to ditch the gear you like locking at in favour of something that looks like shit just to keep up with everyone else. People love to customize the look of their characters, be it for the class fantasy, role play or just aesthetics. It does not help when the new gear being made by devs looks like garbage or follows a visual theme you don't like. I had this issue in Bfa where every powerful piece of gear I got looked like Aztec shit. It would have destroyed the visual cohesion of my character if it were not for the transmog system. What also does not help is that most of the gear is not unique anyway since only the stats matter. As long as developers don't know a way to fix this, transmog systems are not going away.
@6:53 this is not a problem with the game, it's a problem with the player. It's absolutely not necessary to look up builds. Just play the game. I literally take pride in using some off the wall build that goes against everything recommended online but still parse 99%
I could live without transmog if there was a system to dye armor other colors, or at least the primary color of that gear. Or have transmog only work on certain qualities of gear, i.e. you can only transmog epic skins onto epic gear.
The solution to the daily problem is so simple. WoW already figured it out with pvp conquest points. Not sure if it still works like this but the game would track how many conquest points in a season were available so if you started halfway through the season you could just spam BGs/arenas until you were caught up to where everyone else was at. I think all daily systems need to work like that. This way if you miss a few days you don’t feel behind or like you’re missing out. Just do the content whenever you have the time to or feel like it instead of feeling like some mandatory chore.
I dislike dailies. I quickly get to the point where I feel like I have to 'do my chores' before I can actually do what I want in the game. It really kills my desire to play when I feel that I have to spend a couple hours every day doing dailies.
Gotta say... out of all the MMORPGs I have ever played, New World is the WORST when it comes to item/inventory management. Holy SHIT is it annoying if I am not constantly on top of it. Your point at 9:30 is spot on... I have boosted 3 characters in WoW, and I have played none of them, for the reason of I have no idea what the hell is going on. I wasted 100 dollars on that crap... Most games are terrible at teaching the player on what to do. New World is, again, a good example of this. You can create so many options for weapon-pairing, and you can optimize in so many ways with gems, and they're increasing the stat changing that gems are offering that open up more options for players to use weapons with intellect of focus stats. But, the game itself does a terrible job at telling you exactly how your stats are allocated, how they effect your fights, etc. You have to basically make an Excell spreadsheet to keep track of all the different values. IF I wanted to optimize my character, I would have to spend 60% of my time doing mathematics and grinding for materials, maybe even longer... leaving such a little amount of time for me to actually enjoy the game in the way I want. I just am completely overwhelmed, that I chose to start a new character yet again so I can go slowly, slower than I have ever gone in a video game so I can grasp everything... I feel once I do, the playerbase will be lowered again, the meta will change, I will have to change what I do yet again... If there is anything I hate in MMORPGs (or ANY competitive game for that matter) it's the fucking META. I am so sick and tired of near everyone conforming to what does the most damage, what gives the most survivability, what has the largest numbers, etc. It's just not fun at all. It's just another job that I am not getting payed for...
So basically Peon doesn't want any of the RPG stuff in an MMORPG. At this point he should just play something like the sims and it would check all the boxes.
Addons are fine. It's combat addons that are a problem, with maybe the exception of DPS meters. If the game does not have combat addons, they don't feel pressured to design around people having them. ESO and FFXIV are on console, so they cannot design encounters around having them. WoW, however, started designing encounters around people having combat addons and it got insane. Quality of life addons are fine. Something that helps you track your crafting or some other progress, for example.
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I just started playing Path of Exile without prior experience to game like it or someone guiding me, 6:55 is exactly what I’m thinking. I know it’s an old game and I’m late to the party, but goddamn this is frustrating. Fortunately the game is fun enough that I’m willing to put up to it
Only disagree about Transmog. I love to be able to change my outfit every couple of days and collecting skins. I even think single player RPGs should have that feature. In all Honesty, the best implication of transmog I've ever seen was in Hogwarts Legacy. I just don't see how it takes away your achievement, if you still have to do the thing to unlock the skin. If you wanna just flex your powerlevel, you can still just use the hardest to obtain transmog. It only becomes a problem, if there are very similar looking sets, but that's not an issue with transmog by itself. Same goes for cash shop sets, that is a cash shop problem, not a transmog problem.
The thing about dailies week month etc is that in Asia we pref those mechanics because we pay for our time at pc cafes. Also usually popular games will also give bonuses in game eg. exp boost, combat boost, gathering boost or stamina regen or all depending on how popular the game is. So to us the game is not very grindy at all. When the game populace begin to complain about grind in asia then that means they REALLY fked up the exp to reward.
@@kuhakublank632 You pay for your time at the pc, so I would think your time would be more valuable than ours even. I would think you'd rather play something that feels fun in the time you play, rather than paying to play something that feels like daily chores?
I honestly think BDO's thing with the costume to silver thing is pretty awesome Sultans sell outfits for a measly silver gain and players who don't have pearls for outfits can get the sold outfits.
Dailies went from being an optional content path for cosmetics and extra currency to a necessary reputation grind for gear and consumables to time-gating necessities for content progression
3:32 This footage hurts to watch For people new to gw2 Just press "salvage all" then press "deposit all materials" button and find some npc to press "sell junk" button it takes few seconds.
I felt pressured to get to max level in wow so I could go do the "real content" which was just a game of colors. Download these 12 add-ons and then move out of the red zones. I think the add-ons might have even used my skills for me automatically cuz I sure as hell don't remember anything about the combat. (This was when max level was 60). Sw:tor on the other hand, I remember the combat very well. It was bad. Too complex. There was like 4 different "stamina bars". I think my combat skill rotation was something like "1,2,4,7, 1,2,7,1,1,8,7,2,1,4,9,7,3,3,4,7." And that was just one round of like 30 rounds required to kill one monster of the same level as me. I thought I was doing it wrong but apparently nope. Whereas WoW felt similar when you first start at max level, but is deceptively simple if you learn each skill situationally over time.
The only thing that matters is leveling game play, I always hated endgame and usually made a new alt shortly after hitting max level. Quickly found out I'm in the minority on this lol.
Raid is actually a fun game its issue is that Plarium REALY likes to squeze the comunity for resources during events and ofcourse when people are just a tiny inch away from beating the event and getting their new champ they will open the wallet and that has become Plariums buisness model. Squeze resorces and sell the resources that are missing. Also the bosses in the late game are not very enjoyable and require very very specific skills that very few champs have for example sand devil requires you to have a champ that can place the sleep debuff but when sand devil released almost no champs could do this because sleep hade been the games joke debuff for years. There is real potential for Raid to be a really good game but management is killing it because of monetization and they dont really know how their own game works.
i'm an avid advocate for starting games from the start if i havn't played them in a long time. It's always so annoying going back into a game and you have no idea what was going on and have forgotten what each ability does (especially when abilities have changed at some point). It's always surprising at how many games won't let you start over at all, without having to make a new account (which usually needs another email address I don't want to deal with); and 90% of the time when you ask why/how to restart your account there are so many people who just ask "why would you want to start over?".
Also problems I had with wow back the times since launch on and off when I played a LOT of different classes I played up to shadowlands I think I spent the most time in wrath and cata though, but I would say the problems with the gatekeeping is almost always due to gear not being high enough even if you are using a good spec and good roll if your gear(which you are CURRENTLY trying to obtain through this method) is not high enough, people don't like that.....
Which is why I moved on to ff14 which I already perviously had an account in and never went back to wow, I played a scholor last going out knowing it could be a trickier job if you didn't understand how macros worked in which if you did you could be a wicked off healer or main healer if needed while at the same time dps. So many times I would join as dps scholar and if the healer dropped I would just say no worries I got this.
You don't have to go elbow deep, for 1000+ hours, and how much he plays Lost Ark ain't the point. He's addressing MMORPGs generally and the valid point that's being made is that he has a past record of pontificating from ignorance. For a couple of prime examples look at his FF14 review of a few years ago (pro tip; you can't as he deleted it after being called out) or more recently, his GW2 one of a few weeks ago which had most of the GW2 community (that notably toxic (sarcasm) bunch) scratching their collective heads wondering just how little you would have to know about the game to not be ashamed of such low quality content.
@@dirkymcdirkyface4851 Yeah, it was kind of amusing seeing someone as chill as GW2 community and CC's being dumbfounded and somewhat tilted with LP's latest "review" of the game. What was especially funny was the fact he was complaining about things that game already has as absent (build loadouts for example).
Its definitely the vantage point for me that Im looking for. Theres tons of options and hes right with what is engaging to someone on the market looking for a game.
For me, the biggest issue with some of these MMORPG's is that shareholders, investors and the company suits have become more important than the average player and the overall health of the game.
40:51 auto play can do just about any gameplay, so "just removing any activity that could be autoplayed" would leave us no game (aside from chatting ingame). humans enjoy playing chess eventho computers started beating us in the 90s.
Hearing Asmon tell stories about his mom is so nice to me. I love hearing him get so happy even thinking about her and sharing stories.
As someone who lost their Mom as well it really is special to hear. I miss my mom and just hearing others talk about theirs makes me smile.
The problem with first party real-money item sales and paid services is the massive conflict of interest inherent to such dynamics. When devs directly profit from item sales and paid services within their own game, then those devs are financially incentivized to design their game so as to maximize player engagement with real money sales and paid services. If there's a real-money auction house, then devs have a literal profit-motive to create obstacles, challenges, and hardships that are best alleviated not with gameplay but rather with real money exchanges.
One of the most famous examples of this dynamic is Shadow of War, the sequel to Shadow of Mordor. Both are single player games, but Shadow of War included a ton of paid microtransactions at launch. Among those microtransactions were "experience boosters" that increased the rate of player progression. To incentivize the player to purchase these boosters, the devs deliberately turned the game into a an unnecessarily grindy and painful slog. So whereas Shadow of Mordor was a fun and well-balanced game, Shadow of War was an exercise in pure frustration.
When only third parties make money off of item sales and paid services, the devs are not financially motivated to sacrifice the integrity of their game. In fact, it's exactly the opposite; devs are financially motivated to punish third party gold sellers and their customers, which helps to maintain the integrity of a game's economy.
Anyone who says "gold selling is inevitable, why shouldn't the devs regulate and benefit from it" hasn't thought about the idea for more than a minute.
that's why OSRS monetization is brilliant
great comment actually! why are people accepting microtransactions in their games? have the integrity to quit like the rest of us and don't buy in to these games and quit buying and playing them for god sake haha
Finally someone gets it,
add to that "iTs oNly cOsmEtiCs"
@@detuzas9360Why?
never had that issue in shadow of war. skill issue
My mom passed away about 11 years ago, every time I hear Asmon talk about his mom it makes me feel good.
RIP Asmons mom and RIP my mom
Me too, and my mother isn't even dead.
Appreciate what time you have, it goes faster than you know...@@DarkThagan
Same man, mine died an year ago.
Been about 8 years since my Mom passed... nice to remember what she did for me. Easy to take Moms for granted --- especially those first 10 years of life.
@@gameburn178 True man.. I thank her all the time, wouldnt be here without her.
@21:42 I actually think that viewer asked a legitimate question. Of all the sponsorships to accept in a video that criticizes MMORPGs, accepting one about an MMORPG - i.e. Raid Shadow Legends - that requires you to praise it is very ironic and cringy and makes it harder to take this guy seriously.
9:00 Its even worse feeling when you get the build and then new patch drops in same week and build becomes obsolete.
perhaps the greatest thing about P2W games is; by the time you realize you should never play a pay to win game, you are invested into one that has you hooked as your only P2W game from then on
Idk what it is about runescape quests but it definitely has the most memorable quests. Even the starter ones like sheep sheerer you just never forget.
Runescape has the most interesting quests of any game I have ever played. That's especially crazy considering how many there are. Even without having to level your skills it would still take hundreds of hours to complete all the quests, more time than any other mmo that just has "kill x" quests.
My top 3 Experience over the years as child playing runescape was
Getting baited and betrayd in the pvp zone
grinding ores
And getting baited by my brothers that they will pay me meber when i get my ignite to 99.
What a poor innocent boy i was till i figured out they tricked me
They never gave me member after reaching 99 :(
The guy doesn't want to play RPGs. He hates story, he hates UI elements that are about building your character, he wants people to have specific builds that the community recommends, rather than let people work it out themselves, he doesn't want to manage inventory. He needs to just go back to FPS games where he doesn't need to think.
My main thing is excessive grind, when the game treats you like you have nothing else to do in your life, and if so you must give it all up if you want this mount (WoW).
Charging ridiculous prices for higher tiers of an expansion bundle for a few cosmetic items (LotRO).
Then wait and spend points to get it problem solved
Oh yeah, as a fellow LotRO player - you get it.
The monitisation clause for LotRO as a whole just keeps getting worse and worse.
20:23 Malaysia out of nowhere again... I think he mean China.
In terms of the overwhelming number of skills when you boost a character: the same is also rue if you didn't boost it, but have not played the character in a long time, they did major reworks, or if you change your spec. If I leveled to max level as an elemental shaman, but then I want to try out enhancement, I will have no idea wtf is going on and will have to spend a long time reading through every skill and trying to determine which ones I need to have keybound, in which order to press them, all of the different procs, etc. It might be better to just roll a new shaman and play enhancement from the start, but do I really want to spend that much time to level a new toon?
I have a Paladin in Retail and another in Wrath Classic. They play very differently.
What I hate to the bone:
Dailies are shit.
Disabled player trading.
Soul/Account bound items.
Ingame currency inflation.
Increased sub prices.
Being limited in getting certain ressources in a day/week is extremely scummy.
If I wanna grind something endlessly, I want to be able to without being locked out of it. (Timegating shit).
Idiotic useless Items that fill your inventory.
Adventure/Battle pass shit.
Season Passes before the game is even released.
Early access rewards.
Daily log in reward shit, that's lets you miss the completion of something if you didn't log in for x consecutive days.
Any pay to win item, skipping mechanic.
Non banned cheaters.
Terrible or non existant customer support.
Bots, Goldsellers/scammers.
Whales that enforce companies to implement even more scummy monetization.
Free to PAY games (Free to play does not really exist).
Copy paste game clones.
I personally loved the "Silithus/AQ" daily system. Not so much the zone, but the system per say... Working together to get a common goal down.
9:20
That why i like archeage. I really think it teaches you well throughout the leveling process how the end game gonna play out and most of the possibility for improvement you can work towards, creating a smooth leveling to endgame experience .
Swtor was definitely like that with end-game dailys. I got so burned out on dailies just to get the upgrades for gear and it was so tedious and I got so burned out on it even though I absolutely loved the storylines and quests.
SWTOR did do questing and stories very well.
40:30 Ragnarok Online has something like that with Vending, you set up a stall with items while you are logged out people can view and purchase, would be nice if you could do similar in bdo where you can assign your character to do certain job while game is off, reduced gains or something
A wow private server handles class builds better than any mmorpg, they have their ui with a page specifically for people to add public builds that can be upvoted if good and its sorted by patches.
I know what you're talking about and... It's sad that if I wanna go play WoW, my first choice is a private server and not actual Classic, because of all the changes and additions the PS devs have made. It's so different at this point it feels difficult to compare the two.
@@anniel9416 yeah, they tend to feel more feature rich and a lot of the QoL issues we have with retail or classic get resolved but in a good fashion vs bs methods that just cause more issues. It's nice too that they give players more agency to vote on things for the servers benefit.
1:23 I played Raid as f2p soon after its launch, when it wasnt monetized as much as nowadays and didnt have sponsored videos/streams. It was fun - every content was completely clearable at a high level with an appropriate team, consisting of sometimes even just uncommon rated heroes, because even though they had just 1 ability, it was this good for this specific fight. Then, when you finally could clear everything at your max potential, you would hit a wall - you wouldnt been able to progress without certain legendary characters, who needed to have a certain ability leveled up to max (abilities levels ranged 1-5 I believe). You could only level the skills up with a suitable rarity of a skill book, so thats legendary skill book for legendary heroes - 1 timegated per month at that time if I recall correctly. Thats unless of course, if you had have won a tournament (that was hard to even get to top 1000 as a f2p player, without even speaking about winning) that occured like once per 3-7 days, I dont really remember. So you would need at least 4 books to lvl up an ability (so 4 months of f2p playing), at least, because one random ability was leveled up at a use of one single book. That made me quit, but I certainly dont regret, and sometimes I even miss, my 2-3 months of daily 30 min gameplay I had with this game. Community was a blast too.
I like to have the option to go full story mode. In Genshin and Honkai you have that (minus when a new event forces you to get it done asap to not miss out). 90% of the time I am farming, collecting, experimenting - your typical "2nd monitor on" stuff. But I feel like "once in a while, I use all the stuff to easily do the story making my work pay off" is a great motivation factor. Like some chocolate you are keeping in closet.
it's like being happy having enough money working to the mine for 12 hours each days to get rewarded with cooked food
@10:05 So true. For example for me, I used boost in WoW only to e.g. lvl up the same class but in Alliance that I already have max on Horde. One time I boosted DK Horde and the amount of things I had to learn at once was too much to have fun of it
I had the two kind of friend when I tried wow. One wanted me to read the story and care about the characters and stuff. The other wanted me to get straight to the grinding and gamplay. I didn't play more than that month
This was my issue as well. I didn’t know which route to take.
story and lore is always the best choice for MMOs imo. its a new world that you're a part of and will invest lots of time in. try to immerse yourself and actually give a crap about that world and you'll stick around for sure.
Honestly the ability to know the quality of an opponent's gear from how it looks is something I don't like in the first place.
It creates a knowledge gap, and you lose all the risk inherent to PvP. You fight people weaker and don't fight people as good or stronger.
If a game had to have the ability to determine gear quality before an ambush, I'd do three things:
- I'd put inspection behind a job, with maybe consumables to one-time increase the inspection ability.
- I'd make the inspection window have different levels of details (per-item). A successful inspection could lead you to get all the details, while one that barely passes would lead to approximations. A failed inspection on an item would lead to just question marks everywhere.
- I'd give players the ability to better "disguise" their gear with another job. A better disguised gear would fare better against inspections.
Not only does it recreate the premeditation based on gear, but it also extends gameplay for both parties in a new direction.
What if a game is completely based around knowledge gaps? World of tanks relies on knowing the statistics for all of the hundreds of tanks in order to win.
@@blakkwaltz My focus was on MMORPGs. There are games where it's just part of the main gameplay, so there's no reason to do anything about it. If the game is meant to have knowledge gaps, it should. But in mmorpgs, this kind of knowledge is too good. Unlike WOT, WOW can't just assume players are going to kill each other. So an embush that does or doesn't happen due to that knowledge is a permanent imbalance in aggression between different levels. I'd have less of an issue with it if it was in a matchmaking system and not in the wild. There would be no way to only fight weaker opponents, and being able to adapt your strategy to your opponent's gear would add a layer of depth.
@@Exilum in world of tanks small tanks have better camouflage so one tactic would be to camouflage a player's gear only to players that are higher level than them
@@blakkwaltz That sounds interesting, until you realize it doesn't serve any purpose in this context. It would an even faster proof that the gear is low level. In WOT, it serves to conceal your presence, in our context, they are already aware of it.
The daily thing made me quit Genshin 😂 that was the beginning of the end of me playing all live service games in general tbh I just play story games now and I’ve been blessed with the joy of gaming again
Genshin commissions are the worst, thank God you don’t have to do them anymore
same thing for me with Diablo immortal
i tried to get into genshin because my partner played it, but then they told me about the daily system and i put it down knowing they would too in a couple weeks. they quit not long after me
3:25 the distinct and enchanting shepherds flute music from Dion of Lineage 2 , echoes right into the damn soul
From my limited experience, devs don’t decide game design…they simply implement what they’ve been told to do on their task boards. Today’s games are designed by shareholders and business management degree holders and built by devs.
The worst thing about MMORPGs? How about Sunsetting content? Especially content you paid for. And companies shouldn’t have to make a separate game just to play the older stuff. It’s craziness.
I hate raiding in MMOS. I hate it because it requires getting a lot of add-ons to manage triggers, phases, etc. I hate it because you have to study the fights ahead of time on 3rd party sites like youtube just so you don't waste everyone else's time by taking a few steps to the left at the wrong time. I hate the inordinate amount of time a raid takes once it hits 2+ hours because that means I can't just play for an evening, I have to schedule this shit ahead of time and make an appointment. I hate it because it requires doing so much that ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME that it ends up feeling like a JOB instead.
PvP has most of the same problems, just replace studying boss fights with studying meta pvp tactics and builds.
The most fun I ever had in WoW was the early days doing a 10-man plain ordinary dungeon run. It was tough but it was doable by the seat of your collective pants. You could go in without knowing everything ahead of time and have a reasonable opportunity for success. You could treat it not like homework or a job, but like an Adventure.
So when the "End Game" is raiding and pvp, and the "game starts at endgame" that game is a hard pass, thanks.
22:14 I think the reason is mostly because of the shareholders, higher-ups, or what not. They dont want any shit that loses them money or any opportunities of getting it, even if it takes one of the most essential aspects of the game that makes it a true mmo
I don't hate the mmorpgs I hate the people who play them.
Could be shorten : I hate people.
100% agree@@stevenmilot3633
I also hate myself
¿
are you just talking about hardcore gamers/addicts or does this include the try hards aswell?
38:20 OMG. Just try craft legendaries in guild wars 2. It opens this item on ALL of your characters. There is even no need to put it to another character, it's just already here when you login by other character. Otherwice, general top gear like "ascended quality" is account wide just like you said, you can give it to another character via account bank. In this game it was like this since 2012 duuuude.
I started calling these games inventory management simulators.
Honest with multiple gearsets, the only thing I tolerate is is they give you like special abilities or passives or whatever to justify having multiple of them, otherwise it is just putting on shirts with different numbers attatched which is boring, imo i would be fine sgaring a single gearset across all classes that gets higher as I progress and then the main difference is I just can make them look different with like a transmog or glamour system, the number attatched to my armor matter less to me (besides meeting basic requirements for content) than how they look
I started playing SWTOR after a 2 year hiatus and back then I was subscribed. Now I am not subscribed and I never realized until now that all the quality of life features that I enjoyed are locked behind a subscription or paying real money. That’s annoying.
25:00 big disagree with the video on this point. Gear sets enhance class identity and complexity in my opinion. Building my different sets for tanking, healing and DPS was one of my primary joys in Classic and TBC. The fact that I never had any free inventory space used to be a running gag between me and my guild. It was fun to prepare and build for all kinds of different scenarios. Unique and versatile gear was so good in the 60 days, that would not have been possible with the extreme amount of streamlining that continued to happen with each expansion.
Might have been a point of friction that you turned into a positive which is neat. But I hate when I constantly have full bags and can't loot what I want!
I love inventory management in games like Resident Evil cause it is about planning in that game - Do I need to have room for my shotgun if I encounter a licker or do I risk it. Do I need to carry around this key item or can I store it for later.
The "can I store it" part is somewhat important I think. There are two big problems with inventory management in a lot of games (not just MMOs - I've been annoyed by this shit going back all the way to like the original Final Fantasy games):
1) The sheer number of items to manage. MMOs often have tens if not hundreds of thousands of items, especially long-running MMOs like WoW or FF14. It's just too much to keep track of if the game forces you to do so manually.
2) "What should I delete"? It just feels terrible having to purge a toy or a piece of gear that you spent a long time obtaining just because you ran out of inventory space. Being able to "store" it in some fashion alleviates that a lot (the key item in your example, but also having toys/pets/mounts/transmog sets/etc maintained elsewhere falls into this category - can sell or otherwise delete the original item as the "important" part (the cosmetic) is saved in a dedicated system.
Crafting materials tend to be a major problem in this regard. Its rare that you can (reasonably) hold more than 1-2 sets of materials at a time, and they usually don't have alternative storage. So if you're for example wanting to level a new crafting skill you find yourself having to first offload any materials for your existing skills and then start a continuous cycle of obtaining each tier's materials, using them, purging the leftovers, rinse and repeat.
Maybe that's not _so_ bad if you follow a guide that lays out exactly what materials you need every step of the way so there's little you have to "purge" at the end, but now you've got it leveled and you decide to go back and fill in the recipes you missed? Get to do the whole purge and obtain process all over again. Its not _hard_ really, but its immensely frustrating (at least if you have the gold to buy all the materials - its even worse if you have to farm them yourself or wait for auction sales to complete at each step).
3:28 I love how LazyPeon often uses bits of Lineage 2 old soundtrack, I think it's beautiful and one of the best MMO soundtracks, with quite distinctive tunes for every area, also some nostalgia for me. 7:05 I agree, I personally love to explore and just fiddle around a bit learning things, being thrown into endgame is not for me, I always try to avoid it by slowing down levelling in games, but that doesn't always help.
I was literally looking if anyone else picked up Lineage 2 soundtrack, man, I wish they dropped L3 bringing it up to date on graphics and mechanics, cut away a ton of microtransactions they have now and it would be actually some competition to WoW.
The WoW token has completely killed the game for me personally.
Having them in retail is one thing but the day they put them in classic is when I quit.
I don't want my IRL social status to follow me in game, so for me it killed wrath entirely.(and as per the video its what I hate most about WoW)
Oh yeah when they added it to wrath i droped instantly
@@alexanderp8882 it completely ruined the game for me especially because GDKP is so common now. (And I prefer to pug, not a fan of weekly scheduled raids anymore)
They aren't in classic eras, that's where I'm playing
@@PapaEmeritusII true but im waiting for som 2 or plus
oh noes! instead of buying gold from gold farmers you can buy it from blizzard. Meanwhile heroic lichking was killed in a couple hours on classic. Surely the token is the problem and makes the game so easy.
Asmon, "I hate pay to win in games". Asmon 5 minutes later, "I wan't to play Raid Shadow Legends".
"I kinda want to give RAID shadow legends a shot" and people say marketing doesn't work on them.
What sucks about transmog, say in like lfr, is when an upgrade drops and some ass hat wins the roll. You whisper if you can get it but they reply that they need it for transmog. Meanwhile they have 437+ gear. Makes you not even wanna try.
All MMOs are just virtual product transaction sites disguised as a multiplayer game.
All of them but wow classic
@@Wurldz wow classic doesn’t have tokens
@@Wurldz if they do it’ll kill the Economy and drive to play. I play classic wow because I am excited how my auctions go and how I lift my dps. If they make 200k gold for 10$ it’ll buy off my drive for auctions completely, breaking game economy in the process and I’ll have all blues and purples on start and will consider it as a done task like the retail.
@@Wurldz I think they know it’ll break economy.
people said the same thing about wrath classic@@panhuragan4388
GW2 barely has any exposition on quests. You can just run around zones completing quests without even knowing where the quest giver is. The imagem dude used at 30:00 is not from quests.
THE IRONY OF HAVING RAID SHADOW LEGENDS AS A SPONSOR!!!!
I hate dailies because it reduces my fun to a checklist usually. I miss the days of mmos where i had no daily quests and I would think “what will I work on today? What quests should I start? Where should I go”
RuneScape was a game I never had a daily checklist. You did what you planned to do and if you didn’t login you just wasted potential exp that day.
Now it seems like most games want you to focus on dailies then get the fuck off. Lots of player hand holding afraid to make reasons to play the game because they want to, make up reasons they can’t miss a day. Often times I wonder why I even play some games because I can’t remember when I had fun in them. I’m just in the cycle of getting my daily account progression to be ready for eventual fun that may come…….
Fun games sadly are like remnant 2. You enjoy them for 30 or so hours then you are done. Nothing to force you to play and no endless grind to waste your time. Part of you wishes it was there but if it was you know the fun would dry up and it would be just like all the shitty games as a service games you stopped enjoying but continue to play and tell yourself you still do.
I love how immediately after the raid promo he says that inventory management is bad but thats literally all raid is lmao
He's an opportunistic person.
2:36 talking about this, i believe raid shadow legends needs an arpg with all those characters as playable classes.
Transmog needs a don't-see-transmogs ring for PvPers and so on. It helps dramatically with finding non-combat gear to form an evil tree hunting group in runescape, for instance.
Might as well make it an option in settings. If you choose to opt in you see everyone in their actual gear, if you opt out it works like it is today.
Nice idea
just make it so that the transmog is only visible to other players while in safe zones otherwise its off to you while you run around in your cool fit for yourself.
3:32 guild wars 2 fixed that issue for the most part 3 expansions ago, so the guy doing the video is using outdated gameplay. Now, since 2017 all random gear loot is stackable which saves a tone of space.
It should be realistic. You go in a first person view and you have to rifle around for the item you're looking for. Or dump everything on your table to find it.
10/10 would be the best immersive experience.
think you could or should to the same thinks with crafting.
instead of just creathing 50 mithrilshoulder paldrons to get from 250 to 280 BS skill maybe craft a few but make it so that you are actually implemented in the act of crafting and also have your skill in crafting mini games be a variable in how powerful your gear can be.
A lot of RWT happens with unauthorized card users, which causes charge backs, which causes VISA saying hey, you keep getting all of these charge backs then we'll cut you off.
When bonds were released on RS, it cut a huge chunk of RWT, but at the expense of game quality, I guess.
I think RS bonds are decent, because the cost usually lingers around 60-70M gp(x2 for a month), you can easily make that in 5 days at 1-2 hours a day for 1 month membership. You get triple the amount of gold if you RWT, but then if you get caught and banned, you just lost loads of progress.
Yeah, I don't like add ons, it's just one more than you need to play. It is convenient though, because I hate doing clue scrolls and puzzles, lol.
You know what a good MMO is? The one whose soundtrack you hear years later that brings a rush of good memories of socializing with the players behind PCs, raiding open world with those people, PvP-ing open world with those people for a very high stakes prize, and actually enjoying the time invested in pure grind.
2:50 - Lineage 2 - the flute you hear is the theme from the Town of Dion.
I remember the exposition at the opening of Shadowlands. You had to stay near the 'talking npc' or they would stop and wait until you came back to continue. And to make it worse, they spoke so slow, I just wanted to quit. I kept hoping it would get better, but it never did.
A video about everything wrong with MMO's... but first a sponsor from RAID: Shadow Legends. How ironic.
a person has to make money.
3:32 thats crafting material. btw in gw2 have the biggest gold value in almost every mmo cuz of that system. there is the gold is literally money.
i love how he complains about chores, yet his sponsorship is Raid shadow legends when thats literally chore The game
Add ons and wow is an interesting conversation.
In vanilla their ui was so laughably bad that its debatable if it was even possible to do group content without some ui improvements.
Even retail is barely functional in that regard with horrendous buff / debuff tracking and no ability to resize or move ability bars.
My parents came together in everquest and saved money to buy my froglok wizard a horse and its one of my favorite memories
So cute❤
They came together all right
8:06 Thats why Lost Ark gives
- Challenge Guardian
- Challenge Abyssal Dungeon
- jump start servers
People don't want the RPG part of MMORPG anymore. It's a shame.
Ive noticed this too and i dont ge it. There was someone that did a review of the mass effect series and everything they critisized were the RPG eliments of it. The fast rush high octain game styles of today have spoiled people IMO.
Yes all they seem to care is the combat, and if the combat is not what they consider "good" or "better than game X" then is trash 😂 and at the same complaining why all MMORPGs are bad.
A lot of players are more concerned with having a good endgame gearing/content loop than having a good immersive experience. In reality its very important to have both, but getting both right is very difficult to nail down and requires a lot of effort. An mmorpg like WoW could do it with the amount of devs they have, but they're all caught up in red tape and poor management decisions.
@@Jade-nn3bn It's like their head designer used to design raids and nothing else.
I've been trying to get into wow for 15 years. I could never play more that an hour or two before uninstalling. Most of the reasons are in this video
isn't raid sponsoring that video kind of contradictionary? it's mobile so it is p2w, it is all bad that mmo now has, and since it probably has online arena it kind is a mmo
I can assure you people behind raid shadow legends don't care.
@@drdynanite i mean more like person who made video, whining about current state of mmo and using exactly that kind of game as a sponsor, from first 3 points in the video, 2 matches raid
That's the joke
@@1Grainer1 Who cares, I would've take the money too. It's just an ad, not a personal recommendation
@@drdynaniteit literally is a personal recommendation lmao
To much MMO not enough RPG these days. Id rather have an MMORPG with no lvls and almost no UI popping up every 5 seconds for everything that happens in the world. Maybe just gear score and quests that rweard exploring the world with new skills and shit. And have a huge crafting system thats ceucial for getting better gear, ex profesions needing other profesions to craft something. Like a sword would need a blacksmith, a tailor, and more to get it created.
How about a game that's fulfilling where you choose if it teaches you throughout the game or you can just learn the game on your own, one of my biggest pet peeves in games is the game holding your hand for an hour of tutorial before finally setting you loose.
12:17 as someone that has cumpleted dragon slayer 2 4+ times different pk builds along with monkey madnes 2
i dont like questing anymore.
normal players like it though
i do like the guild wars 2 questing so far but im new and lv 21 :p
20 years ago, I bought my first car @ 17 with RMT…. Thanks Blizz/Diablo 2…dad says you made me an entrepreneur. Lmao
He's talking about problems in MMOs and breaks for an ad from RAID SHADOW LEGENDS?
"Not a good look," as the saying goes.
Always nice to hear Stones from Ultima, though.
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Peon: "Inventory management makes me want to quit mmorpgs"
Peon: "I've played mmos where you need to loot every item from each individual mob kill"
Also Peon: "Classic WoW HC is the best mmo out there"
Well you aren't wrong but at least in classic items actually feel valuable so you don't mind a bit of inventory management for it. Getting bags is also a big part of progression and they can be a costly investment and not someting you get with irl money. At least I personally love going fishing for crates in stv at around level 20 to get some 14 slot bags.
I missed the part in the video where he said Hardcore Wow was perfect and had no problems
@@smkeybare I missed the part in my comment where I said that he said it was perfect
Simple loot fix:
All kills automatically send anything that drops straight to you without clicking the dead mob
All craftable and usable items go into a craftable storage area that is account wide and can be accessed from anywhere
Gear goes to a gear storage anywhere accessible by anywhere on that account. Lots of sorting and filter methods and automatic rules you can set-up to salvage and sell items you know you'll never need (e.g. rule to salvage everything under a certain level)
Transmogs are collected automatically upon looting any piece of gear account wide
Raid has a "auto" button that plays the game for you. no need to check it out, its trash bait
No one plays that 😂
Yes, i started a New warrior when i started to play again in bfa just because when i played my old warrior everything about the questlines, everything was changed so it was faster learning it from scratch
Transmog is a direct consequence of power creep. It sucks bonkers when an awesome-looking piece of gear you farmed hours to get becomes useless because some other new piece is just better. Now you have to ditch the gear you like locking at in favour of something that looks like shit just to keep up with everyone else. People love to customize the look of their characters, be it for the class fantasy, role play or just aesthetics. It does not help when the new gear being made by devs looks like garbage or follows a visual theme you don't like. I had this issue in Bfa where every powerful piece of gear I got looked like Aztec shit. It would have destroyed the visual cohesion of my character if it were not for the transmog system.
What also does not help is that most of the gear is not unique anyway since only the stats matter.
As long as developers don't know a way to fix this, transmog systems are not going away.
@6:53 this is not a problem with the game, it's a problem with the player. It's absolutely not necessary to look up builds. Just play the game.
I literally take pride in using some off the wall build that goes against everything recommended online but still parse 99%
I could live without transmog if there was a system to dye armor other colors, or at least the primary color of that gear. Or have transmog only work on certain qualities of gear, i.e. you can only transmog epic skins onto epic gear.
Agreed. Dyeing items is fine but transmogs are just dumb.
@16:35 that is straight up the gamer version of getting a fancy sports car irl xD
I don’t know if it would be to much for Zack or not but I would love to see him go onto his mom’s account and show people her characters
I think he's the type that it'd be fine - "it is what it is." But I'd also completely understand if he didn't want to.
The solution to the daily problem is so simple. WoW already figured it out with pvp conquest points. Not sure if it still works like this but the game would track how many conquest points in a season were available so if you started halfway through the season you could just spam BGs/arenas until you were caught up to where everyone else was at. I think all daily systems need to work like that. This way if you miss a few days you don’t feel behind or like you’re missing out. Just do the content whenever you have the time to or feel like it instead of feeling like some mandatory chore.
I dislike dailies. I quickly get to the point where I feel like I have to 'do my chores' before I can actually do what I want in the game. It really kills my desire to play when I feel that I have to spend a couple hours every day doing dailies.
Gotta say... out of all the MMORPGs I have ever played, New World is the WORST when it comes to item/inventory management. Holy SHIT is it annoying if I am not constantly on top of it.
Your point at 9:30 is spot on... I have boosted 3 characters in WoW, and I have played none of them, for the reason of I have no idea what the hell is going on. I wasted 100 dollars on that crap... Most games are terrible at teaching the player on what to do. New World is, again, a good example of this. You can create so many options for weapon-pairing, and you can optimize in so many ways with gems, and they're increasing the stat changing that gems are offering that open up more options for players to use weapons with intellect of focus stats. But, the game itself does a terrible job at telling you exactly how your stats are allocated, how they effect your fights, etc. You have to basically make an Excell spreadsheet to keep track of all the different values. IF I wanted to optimize my character, I would have to spend 60% of my time doing mathematics and grinding for materials, maybe even longer... leaving such a little amount of time for me to actually enjoy the game in the way I want. I just am completely overwhelmed, that I chose to start a new character yet again so I can go slowly, slower than I have ever gone in a video game so I can grasp everything... I feel once I do, the playerbase will be lowered again, the meta will change, I will have to change what I do yet again...
If there is anything I hate in MMORPGs (or ANY competitive game for that matter) it's the fucking META. I am so sick and tired of near everyone conforming to what does the most damage, what gives the most survivability, what has the largest numbers, etc. It's just not fun at all. It's just another job that I am not getting payed for...
People asking for convenience is what got wow to where it is
7:00 the Ultima online music made me shed a single tear
So basically Peon doesn't want any of the RPG stuff in an MMORPG. At this point he should just play something like the sims and it would check all the boxes.
I think you're right. I genuinely don't know what the hell he wants in a mmo lol. We're complete opposites when it comes to mmo taste
Addons are fine. It's combat addons that are a problem, with maybe the exception of DPS meters. If the game does not have combat addons, they don't feel pressured to design around people having them. ESO and FFXIV are on console, so they cannot design encounters around having them. WoW, however, started designing encounters around people having combat addons and it got insane.
Quality of life addons are fine. Something that helps you track your crafting or some other progress, for example.
You're mom sounds amazing bro - thanks for sharing that story!!! What a bday present!!! Praying for her and for your family may she rest in peace with the Lord!!!
I just started playing Path of Exile without prior experience to game like it or someone guiding me, 6:55 is exactly what I’m thinking. I know it’s an old game and I’m late to the party, but goddamn this is frustrating. Fortunately the game is fun enough that I’m willing to put up to it
Only disagree about Transmog. I love to be able to change my outfit every couple of days and collecting skins. I even think single player RPGs should have that feature. In all Honesty, the best implication of transmog I've ever seen was in Hogwarts Legacy. I just don't see how it takes away your achievement, if you still have to do the thing to unlock the skin. If you wanna just flex your powerlevel, you can still just use the hardest to obtain transmog. It only becomes a problem, if there are very similar looking sets, but that's not an issue with transmog by itself. Same goes for cash shop sets, that is a cash shop problem, not a transmog problem.
Dailies are fine, but the best way to do them seems to limit them. You can do max 12 dailies a month for the max reward or something
The thing about dailies week month etc is that in Asia we pref those mechanics because we pay for our time at pc cafes. Also usually popular games will also give bonuses in game eg. exp boost, combat boost, gathering boost or stamina regen or all depending on how popular the game is. So to us the game is not very grindy at all. When the game populace begin to complain about grind in asia then that means they REALLY fked up the exp to reward.
@@kuhakublank632 You pay for your time at the pc, so I would think your time would be more valuable than ours even. I would think you'd rather play something that feels fun in the time you play, rather than paying to play something that feels like daily chores?
Honestly, LazyPeon should consider just playing idle games at this point. It solves every single issue that bothers him, including playing the game.
I honestly think BDO's thing with the costume to silver thing is pretty awesome
Sultans sell outfits for a measly silver gain and players who don't have pearls for outfits can get the sold outfits.
True. Unless u r an oil baron, selling outfit for gold just isnt worth the irl money. But not having playsr trading in BDO suck big time tho.
Oh definitely, I hate games that don't have them as I see trading as another way of interacting with people which is cool.@@red-dm1tl
Dailies went from being an optional content path for cosmetics and extra currency to a necessary reputation grind for gear and consumables to time-gating necessities for content progression
3:32 This footage hurts to watch
For people new to gw2
Just press "salvage all" then press "deposit all materials" button and find some npc to press "sell junk" button it takes few seconds.
But opening chests sucks they should fix it. XD
I felt pressured to get to max level in wow so I could go do the "real content" which was just a game of colors. Download these 12 add-ons and then move out of the red zones. I think the add-ons might have even used my skills for me automatically cuz I sure as hell don't remember anything about the combat. (This was when max level was 60). Sw:tor on the other hand, I remember the combat very well. It was bad. Too complex. There was like 4 different "stamina bars". I think my combat skill rotation was something like "1,2,4,7, 1,2,7,1,1,8,7,2,1,4,9,7,3,3,4,7." And that was just one round of like 30 rounds required to kill one monster of the same level as me. I thought I was doing it wrong but apparently nope. Whereas WoW felt similar when you first start at max level, but is deceptively simple if you learn each skill situationally over time.
The only thing that matters is leveling game play, I always hated endgame and usually made a new alt shortly after hitting max level. Quickly found out I'm in the minority on this lol.
Raid is actually a fun game its issue is that Plarium REALY likes to squeze the comunity for resources during events and ofcourse when people are just a tiny inch away from beating the event and getting their new champ they will open the wallet and that has become Plariums buisness model. Squeze resorces and sell the resources that are missing. Also the bosses in the late game are not very enjoyable and require very very specific skills that very few champs have for example sand devil requires you to have a champ that can place the sleep debuff but when sand devil released almost no champs could do this because sleep hade been the games joke debuff for years. There is real potential for Raid to be a really good game but management is killing it because of monetization and they dont really know how their own game works.
i'm an avid advocate for starting games from the start if i havn't played them in a long time. It's always so annoying going back into a game and you have no idea what was going on and have forgotten what each ability does (especially when abilities have changed at some point).
It's always surprising at how many games won't let you start over at all, without having to make a new account (which usually needs another email address I don't want to deal with); and 90% of the time when you ask why/how to restart your account there are so many people who just ask "why would you want to start over?".
Also problems I had with wow back the times since launch on and off when I played a LOT of different classes I played up to shadowlands I think I spent the most time in wrath and cata though, but I would say the problems with the gatekeeping is almost always due to gear not being high enough even if you are using a good spec and good roll if your gear(which you are CURRENTLY trying to obtain through this method) is not high enough, people don't like that.....
Which is why I moved on to ff14 which I already perviously had an account in and never went back to wow, I played a scholor last going out knowing it could be a trickier job if you didn't understand how macros worked in which if you did you could be a wicked off healer or main healer if needed while at the same time dps. So many times I would join as dps scholar and if the healer dropped I would just say no worries I got this.
Everything he said: Yepp, that's why the only MMORPG I still play is Guild Wars 2. And why every other sucked so far.
Bro pls LazyPeon barely touches anything besides the surface of any games nowadays to even consider any of his opinions valid
Didnt he play the shit out of lost ark?
"you cant rate a game unless you put 1000+ hours into it" 🤡
You don't have to go elbow deep, for 1000+ hours, and how much he plays Lost Ark ain't the point. He's addressing MMORPGs generally and the valid point that's being made is that he has a past record of pontificating from ignorance. For a couple of prime examples look at his FF14 review of a few years ago (pro tip; you can't as he deleted it after being called out) or more recently, his GW2 one of a few weeks ago which had most of the GW2 community (that notably toxic (sarcasm) bunch) scratching their collective heads wondering just how little you would have to know about the game to not be ashamed of such low quality content.
@@dirkymcdirkyface4851 Yeah, it was kind of amusing seeing someone as chill as GW2 community and CC's being dumbfounded and somewhat tilted with LP's latest "review" of the game. What was especially funny was the fact he was complaining about things that game already has as absent (build loadouts for example).
Its definitely the vantage point for me that Im looking for. Theres tons of options and hes right with what is engaging to someone on the market looking for a game.
A cool solution to New World would have been to have a "Bane" slot that you can swap in an item in and out to modify the resistance type.
They just straight up got rid of it which is even better
For me, the biggest issue with some of these MMORPG's is that shareholders, investors and the company suits have become more important than the average player and the overall health of the game.
40:51
auto play can do just about any gameplay, so "just removing any activity that could be autoplayed" would leave us no game (aside from chatting ingame).
humans enjoy playing chess eventho computers started beating us in the 90s.