As a programmer myself, I wanted to say that it is a big burden to keep up a comunities anticipation and "hype". The fact that burn out is very common among developers, its most likely that, well to put it francly, the developers of hytale, at some point, probably at the peak of its hype, worked themselves out, to an extent of no return. Programming in it of itself is a huge thing to carry, not only that but also a gigantic community of players along with it, and the "self established" work hours, an almost endless amount of stress, is probably also the reason why they stopped posting as much. Cudos to them for even continuing to develop the game entirely. Personaly, I have had a community beforehand, even tho a fraction of that of hytale, and I have found the same issue tho I wish hytale finds a better end to its saga.
Way to many comma’s…. Fix your punctuation please. good rant but them commas has me all over the place man, maybe because I’m a little drunk and just talking shit but who knows lol
I agree I believe Aidan went on a bit of a baby rage rant on this one, developer burnout isn't new and people should stop getting angry about it as if the burned out Devs can do anything about it.
What worries me the most is a few long years in "early access" once it's released. Because it took so long to b released and they surely didn't have any time to early access Hytale to the community for further polishing. Which makes the expected 1.0, Full Release be even further away
I think Minecraft needs more "competitors", more voxel-based games like Minecraft, but without being the same mediocre Minecraft clone as most of them (besides, a "competitor" would help Mojang to stop releasing increasingly worse and less quality updates)
The original Java source code for Minecraft is such a clusterfuck of bad programming. Probably accounts for half of the bugs. Bedrock is written in C++ but unfortunately Mojang didn’t keep feature parity so it split the community.
People need to understand that to make a game as huge as what hytale is promising is a lot of work. They want to give us a finished game on release which is, in my opinion, very respectable. They also have a community that asks for features like cross-platform, but actually gets mad when hytale is taking more time of developpement to implement those very features. If you are not happy on how fast the progress they are making, I suggest you to go get a CS degree, get a job at hypixel and help if you think you can do better. If you can't do better, just wait and play the games you already have (you know the ones I'm talking about, yes those you've been neglecting in your steam library).
I and I'm sure many other people would've appreciated if Hytale talked more frequently with us 1 - 2 month's instead of this 2 posts a year thing. Just talk with us, that will soften the wait.
@@mcbyt Agreed, even just monthly gameplay previews, or even a live stream. Heck even RELB is being more active. That being the fans working on reviving the dead game Lawbreakers. Yeah a dead game getting more updates than a new game.
i think once they realized they would be incapable of releasing the game in a reasonable amount of time without it being a disappointment, they figured the best strategy is to basically go quiet, let people kinda forget about it, meanwhile working super hard behind the scenes, and then once they get to the point where the game is extremely good and actually can (at least somewhat) live up to the hype, they can release something like an open beta announcement trailer or something, which will obviously catch the internet's attention, perhaps not quite to the level of the first announcement trailer, but probably still extremely good as people start to see it and are like "omg i forgot about this game! its finally coming out, thats sick!" and the word will spread and stuff, especially if the trailer is good and is able to demonstrate that they actually have a really good game to release and a definitive schedule for that release/beta or whatever they do. ultimately, i dont think there is any good reason for them to try to rush to get anything out right now, because the game has completely faded into irrelevancy for the time being, so waiting any longer is not really gonna make that significantly worse than it already is (unless they wait an absurd amount of time like 10 years or something obviously), so their best course of action at this point is probably to just hope that the strategy i hypothesized about here actually works out for them. tldr i think hypixel studios' silence with hytale is tactical and theyll probably be able to revive a good amount of hype once theyre actually ready
For my case, yes I forgot about the game, but the hype isn't even close to be gone. The moment someone shows me a screen or gameplay of it, I become as hyped as before. I really can't wait for it
The duality of the gaming community: “We’re fine with waiting for an actually playable polished game that’ll meet and even succeed our expectations” While at the same time “They could’ve released it earlier we would’ve still played it”
I'm just gonna say this before you guys start saying "they shouldn't have announced the game so early!": They didn't announce it early, the game _was_ originally intended to release in 2020 (maybe even 2019) but because of the overwhelming response from the community they weren't satisfied with what the game was. high expectations proceeded by a flood of new recruits, the acquisition from riot and consequently a much bigger budget than they could have asked for, they decided to essentially rebuild the game from the ground up (an exaggeration of course, but they started remaking many ingame systems and eventually the engine itself as stated in the video). First impressions are important, and Hypixel wants Hytale to be the best it possibly can before people get their hands on it. And if you say "They should've released it earlier and updated it like Minecraft!" as a response, that's not how it works. Once a games released its very difficult to go through all these massive time-consuming changes. Hypixel wants to be able to consistently update Hytale and ensure it has consistent support for all parts of the community, a beta is simply too risky.
Yeah, the initial release was slated for 2019. Though I will say, if "polishing" the game takes an extra 4-5 years, it was probably not wise to plan on its release that early anyways. And nah, I don't think they should've released it early and updated like Minecraft, I mentioned that in the video
@@mcbyt only reason i made this comment is because i saw multiple others saying these exact things, it baffles me how some either dont watch videos all the way through or put more than a few minutes of thought into something.
@@dovahfruit9503 It just feels like their scope grew a bit too big and they're going to want everything to be "perfect" (nothing wrong with that, but rebuilding the entire game from scratch and planning to release on console and PC at the same time? Yikes). Most games would be nearing end of development/open beta periods by this point, I'm a bit scared its going to be stuck in development hell.
If I understand the full situation correctly, Riot had also suddenly pulled out of the deal because of who owns them, so their budget was cut and that probably hit incredibly hard on their plans.
Personally I would be happy with a semi-clunky game as long as it’s updated as long as it runs pretty smooth I’m not very picky since this game looks so good
I do remember them saying somewhere they were rebuilding the engine so the game could be cross platform from day one of release. I guess that's good for the long term but having even one platform available might help the game gain and maintain hype.
@@CWAent your point is? i guarantee the stuff of nightmares is in that source code to make it remotely possible for cross-platform to work. C++ , by itself, is not cross-platform. different systems implement different APIs. graphics, as an example. this is critically important to running an app, if not compiling it.
@@atiedebee1020 You forget that Java isn't supported by any modern console as of today. So it would've just divided the community between Hytale Java edition on PC and a cross platform version running on it's own engine in C++ similar to Bedrock edition. C++ also offers massive performance boosts and more modding capability. It even makes an official RTX shader possible, as it's simply impossible on Minecraft Java edition. You guys don't know how bad Java truly is, do you?
When you said "I have never seen a game so distant from it's community" you probably forgot about hollow knight silksong which was hugely anticipated xD they went essentially radio silent for 3 years. But alas they did finally release a new trailer a couple months ago and it has a release window now.
the release window really hasn't changed, and even so it's more of a "release atmosphere". before it was 2023 to eternity, now its 2024 to eternity lol
Yeah, I haven't been following Hollow Knight so I didn't know about that but you definitely seem right, they kind of left everyone hanging it looks like
@@tetonis2452 never Valve stops on number 2 with all their games then just makes all the games have different name but 3 because they want to make sure that the game is an absolute masterpiece and it includes the most enjoyed/loved parts of their previous games Valve might be slow with their games and stuff but when they put their minds to something and have it planned out then the games are always as good if not even better than their previous games
I think the biggest thing about Hypixel is that they are own by Riot. If there is a thing about them that I know is that they are a kinda of a secretive company but in the end they deliver great games(exception makes the balancing team) and I think that mentality was passed to Hytale as well. I'm still hyped about it, still can't wait to play with my friends and I am certain that will be a polished and a great game in the end. Will Hytale be a "Minecraft killer" as some people say? No, but it will find a place in the market. All in all, it might be a totally diaster of a game, but that was my opinion.
I remember first hearing about Hypixel making their own version of MC at the last Minecon since they were very disgruntled with Mojang. But that seems to have past with Minecraft’s boom again, they sold it off, and now I’d be surprised if it ever comes out
They didnt "sell it off", they already worked together with riot before the acquisition. The same people are working on the game as before with just as much passion and with the added benefit of having the funds and knowledge of a huge game studio on their side. The game is still actively being developed and will come out eventually bigger and better than what anyone could have ever imaged from the announcement trailer in 2018. I'm assuming you havent followed the development of hytale very actively which is understandable and most definitely the right thing to do since release is still somewhat far in the future (2024+). If you have any hytale related questions you would like to have answered or would like to chat with me about hytale I'll gladly do so.
@@terrorcat9485 Idk man, any time a smaller business gets absorbed, it’s soul dies with a the garbage bigger business that just wants profit. Bigger companies used to make games, now they destroy them, just like “Micro-Transactionsoft” has already ruined the bedrock edition of the game. Big company Profit *kills* games and their devs.
@@meat3958 From what i've seen riot has let hytale pretty much do its thing without any objection. We'll have to see how monetization works in hytale when it comes out but at least the devs have clearly stated that they are against stuff like lootboxes or other predatory monetization systems.
Never heard of this before. Absolutely looks amazing. If its a game mainly about exploring and killing monsters I'm all in. Just the design of the monsters is insane
@Blueveil It's so much more than that though. It's basically a voxel engine with an adventure mode to show what can be made with it. The server infrastructure is going to be so much better than Minecraft and there's going to be automatic port forwarding so you don't have to pay for a subscription service or go through the hassle of setting up your own server. There will be a marketplace where you can browse player-generated content such as maps, skins, and mods. You'll be able to download them with one click instead of having to download thirty-party software and mess with the files yourself. The game will have full mod support and the modding tools that the developers used will be given to the players for free! There will be a server browser where you can sort servers by tags or name and you'll be able to join even modded servers with one click without having to download the mods yourself. You guys are really not understanding what this game is if you think it's going to be another basic voxel survival game.
Thanks so much, glad you liked it :) And that might be a speedrun world record for someone finding my video through the search, you commented like, what, 7 minutes after release?
Hytale progress is pretty well documented. 1) Game almost ready 2) Riot acquisiom 2) Game reworked to work with mobile 3) Engine changed to make mobile compatibility better 4) Games 'adventure' mode reworked from the zone idea to more Minecraft like style with procgen but with premade assets (story pieces) 5) Finishing the latest vision
I love the way they handle it. I'm tired of unfinished or rushed games. This is the kind of dedication I would have wanted to see for Battlefield 2042 for example.
@@gamerplaytime8174 so you are saying you wanna wait 3 years and have an unplayable game because it has so much bugs (like cyberpunk2077) or wait more so they fix it? also you saying "7 years" cuphead took 7 years to make, have u seen it yet? what about cuphead dlc? they all took long to make because if not they would be bad.
@@gamerplaytime8174 Yes, I'd rather wait for 7 years. I personally wouldn't touch Cyberpunk or Battlefield because I'd think it's a waste of money due to all these release issues. They might be fixed by now but still. It's not just me that wants a quality game, it's also the companies image that's getting ruined by publishing unfinished games as you can see.
The dev was exposed for doing something bad. I forget what it was but he ruined the game himself. Hell company’s even offered to buy the rights to his game but he refused sense he didn’t want any changes to his coding mass. This later prompted better coders to make clones of the game with a cleaner code, less bugs, less glitches, more updates, and better community. That was the nail in the games coffin.
Their biggest problem was that the trailer was released strategically when Minecraft looked like it was starting to die down. Which is why there was so much hype. Because people were excited for all the things they would fix as you said in the video. But when Minecraft resurfaced higher than ever 2 things happened. 1. Hytale is less needed now that Minecraft is back in full swing. 2. Hypixel aren't as focused on hytale because of how the server grew due to the Minecraft resurgence. Because of that hytale takes longer to develop and it cost them big time.
Hytale and hypixel studios are not related. Hypixel is its own team, and Hytale Studios is its own team. The people who work on Hytale do not interact with minecraft or the hypixel team.
I don't think hytale is less needed, Minecraft doesn't evolved that much in the last years. It might be popular right now but I think unrelated to that, if Hytale will be ever released it will eventually rise interest among the community.
@@shachardahan1081 Minecraft mods have their limits. They have to be up to date, the overall performance is not that great and looks like Hytale's modding will be much more simple and fast. Also the original problem was that big servers like Hypixel can't utilize mods because there's no ingame management for that. Modern games are about big online servers, but in Minecraft that's not possible with mods.
I think the way Hytale went dark is like Riot Games operates with games that are not yet polished enough, Project F was announced in I believe 2020 and we haven't heard of it since, Project L was the same until last year November and if you look how drastically this game has changed from the first Gameplay trailer till then you can see that it improved a lot and the community really liked the changes.
Thats a good point. Ever since the Riot acquisition, they started emulating Riot-style communication, which means super rare community updates, but they tend to be substantial when we get them.
yeah the creator of this video barely addressed how riot games acquired hytale, which is massive btw. I would easily say riot is the best game company.
I have seen the video and, as an active member of the Hytale community, I would like to share my opinion about it. So before criticizing it, I'd start from the things you said that, to me, make sense. Hytale released is trailer too soon, and Hypixel Studio, did a poor job at analizing the impact that a trailer like that would have on the gaming community. Having said that the other parts of the video don't make much sense (in my opinion of course). In fact, it assumes that since the hype of the game has dropped, then Hypixel studio must necessarily give more content if it doesn't want it's game to die. But this reasoning can only be applied to a released game. As far as we know only a few people (beyond Hypixel Studio) have played the game, and if a game hasn't been released how can it be dead? It's like saying that a book that hasn't been printed yet will be a failure. On the other hand, if many people have forgotten that the game exists, when it will be released (and if it is really as good as it seems), the content creators will play it, the hype will rise again, and the rest is story. Another criticism I have on the video is that you consider Hytale a game distant from his community, howevere let's take for example Minecraft. Minecraft infuriated his community with the chat report system, with all the bans happening at random (especially in the Bedrock Edition, which is also the most played version of it), not even mentioning the PvP update, which has divided the community in half, and to which only one person (Jeb) works on it (and after more than a year and a half we still don't have anything official, just snapshots). Howevere in the end there it is, still going strong, despite all the controversies, Minecraft (fortunately) is still one of the most played games in the word. So being "distant" from his own community shouldn't be problematic, especially if we are talking about a game wich hasn't been released yet. Then the video gets to compare a team that makes indie games with Hytale (wich btw consider himself a tripleA game) and how this indie game keeps contact with the community. It' simply not the same thing, it's like saying that Fromsoftware should have had weekly streams about the development of Elder Ring, and snapshot about how the game was (wich btw happened but are just some photos and 2 short videos). It isn't something that, in my opinion, you can do with project this massive. If you made it here thank you, it mean that you care about Hytale (on a positive or negative way) and If you have any criticism fell free to write them in this comment section (possibly in a polite way) Thank you for your patience. [Also sorry for any grammatical mistakes]
Games can absolutely be dead on arrival with lack of promotion, even if they once had a thriving and eager-to-play community; for example, Duke Nukem Forever, which turned one of the most beloved FPS franchises into a ghost town. While Minecraft has definitely divided it's community over the years, it's not distant; it's still very much involved and listening to the players, as shown by, for example, the mob votes. Elden Ring did, like you said, keep up with it's community actively. See, Triple-A games have the resources to keep up with huge communities. Indie games have the closeness and familiarity with their community which allows them to keep everyone in the loop. Hytale doesn't seem to have either.
@@zhan146 Interesting how it's only after the TenCent Riot investing that they suddenly gained plans to completely redesign the game to work on mobile and console, two things they specifically said they wouldn't be doing before. That chinese mobile market money is too tempting to resist, even more so when their new financial bosses come in and """ask""" them to do it too.
I'm sorry but this shit is stupid af. You're essentially complaining that they aren't promoting and hyping up the game enough prior to its actual release. Current interest doesn't mean anything, people's attention is fickle in this day and age. Having Riot Games as a publisher means they can easily skyrocket interest with a decent marketing campaign when the game is close to release and, provided the game can back up its promises, get a guaranteed player base.
Your videos actually shock me. The sheer quality that derives from your videos is unmatched. The information is interesting and easy to follow. The video flows nicely with good pace and the clips are always visually pleasing and relevant to the script. Plus you always say exactly what I’m thinking. Even with the good amount of support that you have right now, you deserve way more. Keep up the good work because I love watching your content. 👍
I do agree with what you said and it is a good video in essence but it does feel like the research was a bit surface level. That's really the only part I dislike about the video but I'm glad he did research at all. I have seen videos before that didn't even do basic research before sharing their opinions on the game.
Haha, thank you man, I really do appreciate it. Doing my best to improve and I'm really happy with how the recent videos have turned out (and the support has been nuts), so genuinely thank you. I'll do my best to keep going :)
@Terror Cat Yeah, this was meant to be a more basic video on its history/current state. Hytale could have a full hour-long documentary on its development, mistakes, successes, story, etc but I don't think I'm the most qualified person to do that.
I know the communication should be better, but how they do it is common in the industry and one BIG thing you forgot in all of this is the situation of the last 3 years. Two of my most anticipated games besides Hytale did not really good communicate and got really hit by the pandemic, namely Kerbal Space Programm 2 and Zelda Tears of the Kingdom (BotW2). KSP2 was revealed 2019 at Gamecom and should also be released early 2020. But that it was delayed many times. All there was where only some Interviews with the Devs and a Dev diary every 4 to 6 Months. The current release Date is Early 2023, 3 years later than planned. The same with Zelda, revealed 2019 at E3 and with the pandemic we only got a new trailer at E3 2021. There were only 3 more Trailers, 2 mini trailer and the last one with the name and release date for 2023. Many more games are in the same situation, Hytale is not the only one. Just to name a few more: Silksong, Atomic Heart, The Last Night, Paralives and every game from Ubisoft (but this is more Ubisofts fault)
I think the part about giving updates is very important in maintaining the hype for a game. Developers who can give their communities updates generally have higher player counts. Just look at the Paradox games, they all have large communities, and any updates are always kept up on a weekly or monthly basis
6:00 "I have never seen a game so distant from it's community." You clearly don't know about Rockstar Games LOL. Jokes aside i think they tuned down the community posts because they have nothing "interesting" to show. We gotta remember that hytale will have the most extensive modding support and also will launch on multiple platforms at once. Not every step in a games development progression is presentable. And all they have to do to get back hype is another trailer. Honestly i have high hopes.
true, but then again, there's definitely been some games with MASSIVE delays that were super successful. fortnite, for example, announced in 2011 but not released until 2017 (granted, that was for the save the world gamemode which still wasn't very successful, but whatever) but yeah i agree with you
I can't imagine it flopping ngl. Being a game with a trailer with nearly 60 million views, having access to the biggest and most famous minecraft server on the planet that can be used for free advertising to their ideal target audience and just in general being a game thats absolutely brimming with creativity and passion i cannot in my right mind say i think hytale will flop.
@@SchizophrenicFrog Minecraft has so many shortcomings and a pattern of bad decision making. Many people are fundamentally unhappy with the game or have stopped playing entirely. I'm sure hytale will be a success.
I think at this point it's actually not that bad of an idea for them to kind of let the hype fade and slip into the background for the time being, that way they can come out swinging again with something big when they're actually ready and can capitalize on it by having a close and realistic release date. It's not that unthinkable that they could get a second wind if they suddenly release some massive content drop/release trailer, but if they try to keep the community informed and just trickle out teasers over the years then they won't actually have all that much new stuff to show when they're gonna need to get the hype train rolling again. So I think they're actually doing a smart move here by not showing all their cards early, yeah it sucks for those fans who would like to follow along, but if they want to capture a bigger audience they will need to time it right. Basically they're better off charging their spirit bomb then spamming ki blasts that do nothing in the long run. ;p
Ehh, might not be as good as a idea as you think. If we were to take a game like Bendy and the Dark Revival, for example, them this would probably be a bad idea.
@@greysoncrowe5196 subnautica below zero had a similar thing happen. The games development was closely followed and broadcast right up until they decided to delay the game and overhaul the story, then they went silent. And the release was more successful than they hopped.
One thing I hope Hytale doesn't do is become overly complicated in the gameplay, it needs to be simple, easy to understand and if you want to learn any advancements you can do that. That's what I really think what Minecraft perfects on is it's simple game design while giving the option for the player to progress onto the advanced gameplay designs if they'd want too.
If Hytale actually releases, im convinced the hype will come back. I mean look at Eldenring, the devs didnt say anything from release trailer until close to release. Or just look at Valheim, when the game comes out and people realize its good, they will play it, even if it was unknown prior to release.
I was in middle school when the trailer came out and now I've finished highschool and already got a job. By the time this game release, i will probably have opened my own business, married and got 2 kids.
The single fact of knowing that they are rewriting their engine into a different coding language is enough to guess that it will take a really long time to be ready. Doing this is not like translating betweeen spoken/written languages, rewriting functions, procedures and algorithms take a lot of time. Just see how much time it takes for Minecraft's mod devs to update their code between versions (and being the same language).
False. the game is being polished to be done, its not a rush there doing Not like how Cyberpunk 2077 did to its game Hytale did a good job polishing the game and it did infact taken a good path to not risk rushing the Game so i say this the game is gonna be coming out in 2023 because of how much the supporting it did for over the past 3 years it polished its game and made it and took its time now its coming in 2023 You may calm down
Ah, I was surprised there was no mention of Tyron, a dev that left the team to make his own game Vintage Story, It is out and you buy and it is still in development
Not sure if you mentioned it because I couldnt watch the while video but didnt riot games acquire all of hypixel studios including hytale? Which means they’re no longer backed by a small indie studio- and they did show some gameplay on the announcement video. I have big faith in riot so i’m sure they wont just forget about the game.
I think when it releases/beta it will exploded in popularity with lots of content creators making videos on the game shining a light on the game and people will comeback to the game and new people too.
Yeah maybe, but the suffering they made the community surpass is really a shame, they should never announce a game, create a hype, and them don't support the community in a proper way.. thats just dumb and really no one benefits for this..
I'm sure that when it nears it's release, it will be popular again. Why? Because Riot Games bought them. They KNOW how to market stuff properly and i'm 100% sure that when the time comes, they will do everything they can to promote this game, as it could be the "Minecraft Killer" for a lack of better words.
all they gotta do is release another hype trailer then the hype's back and they release the game. the only thing they should worry about is nailing it day one which is what they're doing. they don't have to be that active cause the only people who will keep up with its development are the ones who will play it no matter what
I suppose it just depends on the community. I'm getting people saying they don't even know what it is anymore and a lot of people commenting that they've given up hope/are disappointed
@@mcbyt I suppose people that haven't really spent much time looking at Hytale stuff (ie, Minecraft community, youtube viewers, general public) have kind of forgotten about the game, however people that have really invested time into looking at Hytale stuff, still (mostly) have hope. And, while not mentioned in your video, I can also say that a lot of Hytale youtube channels have simply stopped, due to the lack of news (eg, Kweebec Corner, Hytale News), especially since in 2021 (?) when Hypixel Studios were bought out by Riot Games, a whole load of Hytale focused channels sprung up. Another thing I think you should've mentioned in your video is that Hypixel and Hypixel Studios are two VERY, VERY different companies, one being the Minecraft Server people, and one being the game studio owned by Riot. You didn't make that SUPER clear in your video, but maybe that's just me. Anyway, great video, love your content! Still holding on to hope that Hytale is great!
@@cyberpxlMost people stopped paying attention to Hytale two years ago. That was when the hype train completely died out. All thats left is the community waiting for a game that many think they will not get.
This is why I've been following Vintage Story's development closer, smaller team but it's a labor of love rather than pushing to be the top product. I'm not sure if it's still at this point or not but HyTale and Vintage Story were based, funny enough, on Manic Digger source code, which was a classic injoke for us back in the good ol' archaic days. I hope things continue along for both projects, but I also hope the developers aren't caught in dev hell.
Also Vintage Story dev (Tyron, I think) had worked on Hytale before Vintage Story, and before Hytale Tyron had made mods for Minecraft. Didn't like how modding is limited in Minecraft, and didn't liked where Hytale was going to.
I have been playing Vintage Story and have been following the community, and I can say development on VS is still ongoing at a slow and steady pace! We normally get a teaser once a week or two if we are lucky about features or mechanics that Tyron and some of the other devs have been working on.
Tencent is funding riot and riot is making Hytale. They pretty much have infinite $$$ to spend. Hype will be back when they do their AD campaigns for months on Twitch and elseehere. Hytale is going to be good. It's best to forget about games when they are in development. No community updates dosen't mean they aren't working on it. It's not a kick starter, it's a dev team working for a company who cares about quality with all the money in the world. They dont have to rush. Minecraft killer? That will completely depend on the marketing and advertising along modding support. Riot is VERY COMPETENT at getting thr right people for the right job and improve on game concepts already done before. Look at Valorent compared to CSGO, look at League of Legends compared to Dota. They took over.
the thing is, it does not matter if it is forgotten its great that they take their time to actually make a game which the community deserves as soon as it releases, its going to blow up big time, no matter how many people forgot about it, i dont fear a shattered community
He literally said even if 10% plays then it will be massively successful,but he’s right on the part where the longer you wait the more the hype dies down, like i totally forgot about this game before this video popped up
@@ChickenJoe-tq6xd The hype will not die, because it simply already did, when they actually have a release date, the hype will grow back. Going radio silence was a decent choice. If they release a trailer tomorrow, I will be just as hyped as 4 years ago.
They may take the long way aproach, a similar game took the same route, bendy and the dark revival, too many delays which was suppose to launch at 2019, and paired with controversies and little communication with its community, everyone thought it was dead, cancelled, then recently they finally released the game, it was a hit with several youtubers playing the game, so hytale still has a chance, the bendy community literally had a dark revival, so too can hytale.
I remember seeing this trailer and seeing it advertised on Hypixel when it was first released! I havent heard about it in years and figured it was cancelled. Im still excited but I hope it comes out someday.
yeah. for me the trailer came around a time i got invested into minecraft and minecraft youtubers, and i was so hyped about it for the first time ever. i have had moments i randomly rememberd it
Personally, I think that the lack of hype is a good thing. Typically overhype is a big factor of games sucking Including Cyperpunk 2077, although I’m aware there are other factors. Due to this I’m actually glad they stopped the frequent updates.
At this point I think they should just run to a "good enough" goal and then release a few updates as soon as they can when they release the first edition. After the first month or two release a larger update and keep modifying it while keeping in contact with the community. That might help them and might rescue them from the inevitable failure when it releases at this point.
this is the worst thing they should definitely NOT do this inless they wanna piss people off myself included im tired of people wanting devs to release there work early just to have other people shit on them for doing such a thing it comes out when it well comes out a early release would mean more bugs as well. and i get it people are still waiting for this game but id rather have them continue to work on it rather than release some really buggy product that could also hurt them in the long run just cause people wanted it early.
@@ZverseZ They had to grow the scope of the game to meet the overwhelming popularity it got, especially after riot bought their studio. Hell they even rewrote the entire engine of the game and basically had to start from scratch
@@Helix142 i understand that, i do not think they should release it early with unfinished parts but rather finish the bare minimum to make it complete, the polish can be added later and the story can be expanded at any time. If they keep pushing it back its release wont be noticed by nearly enough people to keep the game moving and to keep its relevance. I think that they should finish the game in a way to make it have a full base story and make it good enough to play the base part of it. If they strive for full polish right of the bat the game will be in a loop where its never good enough. I am someone who writes a good bit of stories for others, for myself and for communities and I struggle with this every time as i always want them to be perfect, the problem is that you have to draw the line somewhere in the middle. In a place you are happy with it and where its finished enough to get people to enjoy it. Again i dont want cyberpunk to repeat but rather the minimum viable product to hit the market to keep the relevance and popularity of hytale going until its full and final release.
I REALLY hope they release this game in 2024 (which is now the earliest possible release date by the way), but I just don't think its gonna happen. The fact that even in their latest blog post they're still showing concept art instead of actual gameplay makes me think we're still in the early stages of development, which puts the release date of this game not at 2024, but 2025, 2026, or even later.
I can't lie whenever I think of this game I do get hyped up just like I was when I first saw the trailer. I know once it does come out I will pay whatever the price tag is, and play it into oblivion
Tbh Hytale is a fading memory at this point. Back at that time when the trailer was released, Minecraft was at a low point in popularity and was the PERFECT time for the game to be released. Right now though, obviously Minecraft has made a comeback on TH-cam especially.
I agree with the video, but maintaining a community and staying away from burn-out is hard. Your videos stand out to me as some of the only good content at this time! Keep it up
4:41 Lets be real, at the rate Minecraft is updating their game at 2 mobs per lightyear, Hytale should be stress free about racing Minecraft while developing 😂😂
I remember when Hytale first started growing, I was extremely excited especially as a kid who loved Minecraft. Hytale is definetely going to be an amazing game, it's just sad to see it die away slowly. I wish it the best and I'll be sure to check it out once it comes out :)
@@gamerplaytime8174 and how can it be worse if no one ever tried is the same argument bro. We are just hyped for the game also 7 years is good because then it will be a more well made game do you think developing games are easy?
@@jpdarkone4096 Quality of games is not based on just counting the time it took to make. It's taken this long because development stalled out, not because it's actually being worked on in full force for 7 years. Anyone that's actually worked on a long term project understands that after so many years you look back and say things like, "wow, in retrospect we got almost nothing done the entire year 6". Projects stall out when they start going on too long. You end up with months between significant progress updates. "Team B needs me to get something to them. It's not a good time right now, I'll make sure to get it to them in the next 2 weeks". Things stall out people get stuck on tiny bumps for days and weeks longer than they would have at the start of work.
Well if Metroid Dread taught me anything. A game can be 16 years on off in development hell, be cancelled internally twice and still release being an insanely good installment. Some things take time, the longer Hytale is in development the higher the chance that it will actually be a good game. Miyamotos famous line is a good example of it Of course most of the time development hell lead to games like Duke Nukem Forever or Cyberpunk 2077 (pre patches)
As cool as Hytale looks, I wish this effort went into something open-source like Veloren. Veloren is already playable and, while it doesn't look anywhere near as impressive as Hytale, I'd say it easily has just as much potential, if not more.
Killing the hype for Hytale was actually done entirely on purpose by Hypixel. They stated in a winter blog post that the game wouldn't be ready for a few more years and that the scope of the game dramatically increased due to the expectations of their community. They stated in the same post that they would be attempting to kill the "feverish hype" going forward until they were closer to release. Rare posts is NOT a lack of communication, it's done entirely on purpose to keep the hype low. Once we get closer to release, I'm sure we'll get a new trailer and a whole slew of blog posts they hadn't put out to the public over their years of HARD behind-the-scenes work. They still interact with their community occasionally, for example, thankmas, or the interviews that happened a little while ago. They stated many times that they LOVE their community and the entire focus of the game is going to be on the community as a whole. However, right now, it's better to stay quite because hype never helped anyone when they had to wait as long as I have. 5 years, to be exact. I personally enjoy seeing little reminders of Hytale through their postcards every now and then. Don't have any worry about it, Hytale has an amazing dev team of extremely passionate people and they know exactly what they're doing. When it's closer to release, Hytale is going to hit the news in a way we haven't ever seen with a game before. All they need to do is release ONE trailer with a release date and ALL of the hype will return plus even more than the original.
i am surprised that they haven't released a public beta yet. yes, the game might not be as polished as they want to, but getting a portion of the game out to the public is needed to keep it alive
I take interest in the game, but I run Linux, and without official declaration of Linux support, I probably won't be able to play the game as nearly all developers don't care at all about the 1% of people who use that as their OS. But even so, I'd much rather wait a really long time for a refined game rather than a buggy mess. To me, the lack of connection doesn't really bother me, as I take a lot of interest in Scrap Mechanic, which posts just about as much, maybe even less.
I really wish that they had used the benefits of early access, similar to survival games like Subnautica (and how that game owes it's success to it's early access phase)
This has issues though. You can't rebuild your engine when you need to constantly be building onto it. It causes games to get a little bit of everything but not enough of all of it. Just depends but when you are redoing so much of the game it's better they didn't.
No way the Japanese emperor that committed multiple war crimes said that!! Love that you’re sharing the news, he always loved to play Minecraft with hitler and I’m sure that he is excited for the release of hytale.
Hype is overrated. It's only important to attract players at launch or to secure funding. If Riot is convinced the game is worth it based on what is being shown behind closed doors, then all the devs need is players at launch. It doesn't matter if they go dark for years. They will make a splash if their product is backed by Riot and plays as good as it looks. I get it, it sucks being excited for unreleased content, but years of dripfeed is only better than years of silence (and vice versa) because the grass always looks greener on the other side. People just end up complaing about things being announced too early and being in development hell if you over communicate and deliver late. Everybody has a vision of the perfect way to handle that kind of situation but they're all going to eat flak. The best solution is to avoid that situation. Don't reveal early, don't hype early, have funding and significant progress beforehand. Game's dead if they mismanage or lose funding because they can't deliver on a platform, sure, but hype is transient and easy to generate. It's a nonfactor. Personally I think ripping the band-aid off and going dark is the best move when you know you revealed too early to meet expectations.
What isn't owned by Tencent nowadays. Still, Riot itself is a very good and respectable company. Given none of their game releases are P2W and all of them are atleast somewhat sucessful. With Leauge being literally the most active moba in the world. Riot funding Hytale is a good thing.
@@coryduff it doesn't, lol the thing that made me lose interest was that they decided to rebuild their engine after 5+ years of development, making hytale not release in the next 2+ years
@@tncjprcsh I dont believe you when you say you lost interest. It would be more accurate if you said you lost interest in following Hytale. I mean when the game does come out eventually let's say in 2-3 years which is still a long time away, it's not like you're gonna be like a child and be like "if i don't get it right now I don't want it at all". We all know damn well youre gonna play it when it comes out just like the rest of the hytale community.
“Hype” is a cash grab. The game will speak for itself. Apex hit 1 million players in the first 24 hours and they revealed it on the trailer saying “Available now” at the end without any previous mentions during development and is now one of the top played games in the world. With Hytale already so anticipated, they can do something similar.
If they were still independent I'd be worried, but considering they were acquired by Riot Games, I honestly have hope that in the end it'll deliver. Once they're closer to release and start hyping up the game, I think that it'll once again reach a great level of anticipation.
This is a pretty bad take tbh. Time just raises expectations, but it's not like the people that were interested back then, suddenly aren't interested anymore. You even show cube world in the video yourself, a game which skyrocketed in popularity again when it finally got a "release". Sure, it was negatively received for gameplay reasons, but it's not like the release went under the radar. This kind of negative thinking is just part of the problem, from a marketing perspective, they're not loosing out on anything really.
I don’t actually think it’s a mistake to not post regular updates. As they are rewriting the code things will have appeared to have gone backwards which would draw criticism from those who don’t understand that it will create a more stable end result. Regular updates also risks burning potential players out, if you’re constantly teasing a game but never actually releasing then people will lose interest and dismiss the project entirely. Alternatively if they have a big media push just prior to launch it’ll generate far more hype. As for releasing sooner with an unfinished game, it’s far harder to regain the communities trust than releasing a polished title initially.
Eh no. There are industry examples that showed that staying open in game development is beneficial for the community but also for development. Digital Extremes the company that created Warframe is literally proof of this, they regularly have "Devstreams" where the devs talk and announce the changes and developments for the game even if that content was to come out in 2 or 6 months we still have fragments or information. And yet every year they have a special event dedicated in their community and announce the next content (Tennocon / Tennolive). Digital Extremes was not a AAA company and it was only in 2020 that Tencent, the same parent company of Riot Games, became interested in them and acquired them. Being radio silent for that long is so easy to screw up because you can literally tune out what your players want(Cube World) or get out right(Hollow knight). But being open to development in an organized way only proves to be beneficial because it allows your community to follow the development and feel that despite being slow the progress is marked.
@@koroxo1152 There’s a key difference between say warframe, star citizen, and this project. They have an alpha already available, so open communication always plays to see how their experience will improve over time. In this case I don’t think they’re ready to release an alpha, and launching a broken/unfinished game could completely destroy the project.
@@mcbyt You do have to consider that riot acquired hytale and they have every motivation to make sure hytale is a success. If they didnt trust the game, it's developers and their vision then surely they wouldnt have acquired it in the first place. Riot has worked with and showed great interest in Hytale for a long time before the acquisition. They saw Hytales potential and wanted to fully realise it.
It's not dead. The game developers flat out said not to expect a 2023 release and that they would publicize fewer updates in the future. They're rewriting the game engine, which takes an enormous amount of time.
Honestly? I really want Hytale to succeed, but at the same time I want it to crash and burn into the ground. I’ve been with Minecraft for so long that it would break my heart to see it get pushed into irrelevancy (somehow) by another game. Hytale looks good, but I’m sticking with Minecraft for now…
@@erichdegurechaff9515 true….. half of my comment is probably just me voicing my thoughts in that moment so I didn’t really think of patching up all the inconsistencies don’t take it too seriously because i probably fucked something up
I was excited for this game too, because Minecraft kind of lets me down with the updates, stymying the modding community, and updates that are really underwhelming as thos "updates" should have just been official mods to let people customeize their worlds as they see fit. The need for this game is still there, the sandbox building/adventuring community is still wanting something more. It would be very sad to see this end up in the trash bin.
Taking your time to finish a game is nothing new but its most definitely a double edge sword. When is it ever enough? Its like upgrading a PC, yea you can buy the newest and best hardware currently out but in a few months something new drops. You gotta put a stop in it somewhere and focus on other stuff (a release/alpha/beta in this case).
Was hyped for it when it was announced,. But after seeing the train wreck of bugs and issues they have on skyblock, i lost confidence that Hypixel could pull off a real competitor to Minecraft.
Ima say smt, there is another game that im really hype for but its small but it does everything, live stream, content, updates and talks to the community, its called War Of the Worlds Game, based on 2005 but yeah its like 50,000 thousand people are in the community and they are doing fine but yeah small
Jo i straight up disagree with almost all of this. It's great that they are not rushing, I'd rather have a god game in 5 years than a bad one now. It could be argued that their trailer was released to early, having now lost its traction. while that is true it also allowed them to get support from riot games (which you never mentioned i think). Riot is at this point a trusted company and they seem to be handling this project with care, not rushing development. With the support of such a trusted publisher and the name having be heard by a shit load of people, will probably mean it'll regain a lot of hype once we close in on release. While the fewer dev updates are definitely less fun for it's current community, i'd argue it was a wise decision because they knew they still have a lot to do and the hype was already almost completely gone when they stopped updates. The main purpose of dev updates is to extend hype, but when it's gone already, it's wasted effort, especially when you have good things to bet on to regain hype when the product is finally ready (see prevoius point).
I was reprimanded every day for years for playing MC by supporters of this, no offense to anyone who likes it. They preached that their game would make MC obsolete. They no longer speak of it.
I'm sorry but claims like "Hytale is the most anticipated game of all time" are competely made up by yourself to try and support your argument. Seeing a video with a lot of views is not enough evidence to write that into your video. Please fact check your scripts
As soon as they said they were redoing the engine so they can have it be crossplay with consoles and phones I stopped caring. My first thoughts upon reading that post were "great, now the game will have to be reduced to run smoothly enough for crossplay" I'd rather have the game on one platform to ensure consistency and stability of the game. Redoing the engine to work on three different platforms and keeping up with all three is no easy task. I was reading the comments and saw many talking about hyping the game up was the fault of the community. I disagree because the devs kept teasing features and talking about plans and whatnot so they were also responsible for the hype train that ensued. Then at a point they basically went silent. Probably realized too late that they should have been more reserved with what they put out. At this point my interest in the project is low. If the game ever comes out then I will try it and hope it is at least decently put together since most games lately have been released as buggy messes. Even if they put years into the project it can still release as a mess. I'm hoping for the best for them but my interest is basically gone. I keep forgetting this game even exists because the devs went silent.
Heyyy please I'm begging, we need "dream smp: oversimplified part2"! Pleaseeee season 1 is done so please please please please please please make part 2!!!!
Yall, can these clickbait "hytale is over" videos just end 🙄 The announcement trailer was like 3 years ago. Other less ambitious major games have taken twice to three times as long to finish.
As a programmer myself, I wanted to say that it is a big burden to keep up a comunities anticipation and "hype". The fact that burn out is very common among developers, its most likely that, well to put it francly, the developers of hytale, at some point, probably at the peak of its hype, worked themselves out, to an extent of no return. Programming in it of itself is a huge thing to carry, not only that but also a gigantic community of players along with it, and the "self established" work hours, an almost endless amount of stress, is probably also the reason why they stopped posting as much. Cudos to them for even continuing to develop the game entirely. Personaly, I have had a community beforehand, even tho a fraction of that of hytale, and I have found the same issue tho I wish hytale finds a better end to its saga.
Way to many comma’s…. Fix your punctuation please. good rant but them commas has me all over the place man, maybe because I’m a little drunk and just talking shit but who knows lol
@@gasonlyproductions353 this isn't a test
@@gasonlyproductions353 too* fix your grammar first
@@gasonlyproductions353 you're definitely drunk this is fine
I agree I believe Aidan went on a bit of a baby rage rant on this one, developer burnout isn't new and people should stop getting angry about it as if the burned out Devs can do anything about it.
you deserve the recent support, your production quality has gotten so much better
6:00 "I have never seen a game so distant from its community"
Silksong: Allow us to introduce ourselves
"Do we know what we are getting now. 2 posts, just 2 every year"
Buddy, look at my pfp and feel my pain
What worries me the most is a few long years in "early access" once it's released. Because it took so long to b released and they surely didn't have any time to early access Hytale to the community for further polishing. Which makes the expected 1.0, Full Release be even further away
I think Minecraft needs more "competitors", more voxel-based games like Minecraft, but without being the same mediocre Minecraft clone as most of them (besides, a "competitor" would help Mojang to stop releasing increasingly worse and less quality updates)
Remaking the game in C++ is huge, glad they went that way, i had no idea it was originally done with Java
The original Java source code for Minecraft is such a clusterfuck of bad programming. Probably accounts for half of the bugs.
Bedrock is written in C++ but unfortunately Mojang didn’t keep feature parity so it split the community.
@@MichaelPohoreski Bedrock is the version of the game known as Bugrock and there is a reason for that.
@@cosmic_pvp Indeed.
People need to understand that to make a game as huge as what hytale is promising is a lot of work. They want to give us a finished game on release which is, in my opinion, very respectable. They also have a community that asks for features like cross-platform, but actually gets mad when hytale is taking more time of developpement to implement those very features. If you are not happy on how fast the progress they are making, I suggest you to go get a CS degree, get a job at hypixel and help if you think you can do better. If you can't do better, just wait and play the games you already have (you know the ones I'm talking about, yes those you've been neglecting in your steam library).
The hype for Hytale before was awesome, but now it feels like a shattered memory
Hytale is like metaverse in minecraft
@@jeusmarcomascarina4102 oh minecraft community hating other block games classic
@@star5384 Can't take a joke?
forreal
@@bukisantv1392
He has a point.
Hytale could totally be so cool, I just wish they talked about it more
Honestly, it could benefit so much from some more publicity
I and I'm sure many other people would've appreciated if Hytale talked more frequently with us 1 - 2 month's instead of this 2 posts a year thing. Just talk with us, that will soften the wait.
@@mcbyt Agreed, even just monthly gameplay previews, or even a live stream.
Heck even RELB is being more active.
That being the fans working on reviving the dead game Lawbreakers.
Yeah a dead game getting more updates than a new game.
I think the less they talk about it, the less we would be disappointed when it comes out
@@NovaHeardOfEm same
i think once they realized they would be incapable of releasing the game in a reasonable amount of time without it being a disappointment, they figured the best strategy is to basically go quiet, let people kinda forget about it, meanwhile working super hard behind the scenes, and then once they get to the point where the game is extremely good and actually can (at least somewhat) live up to the hype, they can release something like an open beta announcement trailer or something, which will obviously catch the internet's attention, perhaps not quite to the level of the first announcement trailer, but probably still extremely good as people start to see it and are like "omg i forgot about this game! its finally coming out, thats sick!" and the word will spread and stuff, especially if the trailer is good and is able to demonstrate that they actually have a really good game to release and a definitive schedule for that release/beta or whatever they do. ultimately, i dont think there is any good reason for them to try to rush to get anything out right now, because the game has completely faded into irrelevancy for the time being, so waiting any longer is not really gonna make that significantly worse than it already is (unless they wait an absurd amount of time like 10 years or something obviously), so their best course of action at this point is probably to just hope that the strategy i hypothesized about here actually works out for them.
tldr i think hypixel studios' silence with hytale is tactical and theyll probably be able to revive a good amount of hype once theyre actually ready
Agreed, although I really hope they do an open beta before release (or at least open for applications) because 2024+ feels so out of reach
+1 bro ;) creative minds
That may actually work, demonstrated by bendy and the dark revival, a game franchise that went into irrelevancy, but now cameback from the dead
But then the Internet didn't forget lol
Whatever it is I hope they released it on last gen consoles before they die out
HyTale was a game that was promoted then forgotten
it’s still in development but they announced it way to early
Never forgotten
@@CloudyDreamzs yeah bcuz they didnt expect this much attention they expected max 100k view not 60m :D
@@CloudyDreamzs how did they announce it early, it was going to release in 2020 but delayed it because of the response from the community
@@CloudyDreamzs yes way too with so little engagement
For my case, yes I forgot about the game, but the hype isn't even close to be gone. The moment someone shows me a screen or gameplay of it, I become as hyped as before. I really can't wait for it
same i want to play it so hard bruh😭
Same 😭😭
Yeah, it's good to forget sometimes, so it doesn't get stuck in your mind
Modded Minecraft is a good alternative for the time being.
The game is gonna be a failure lmfao, maybe if they released it 4 years ago in a beta state it would have been acceptable
The duality of the gaming community: “We’re fine with waiting for an actually playable polished game that’ll meet and even succeed our expectations”
While at the same time
“They could’ve released it earlier we would’ve still played it”
I'm just gonna say this before you guys start saying "they shouldn't have announced the game so early!":
They didn't announce it early, the game _was_ originally intended to release in 2020 (maybe even 2019) but because of the overwhelming response from the community they weren't satisfied with what the game was. high expectations proceeded by a flood of new recruits, the acquisition from riot and consequently a much bigger budget than they could have asked for, they decided to essentially rebuild the game from the ground up (an exaggeration of course, but they started remaking many ingame systems and eventually the engine itself as stated in the video). First impressions are important, and Hypixel wants Hytale to be the best it possibly can before people get their hands on it.
And if you say "They should've released it earlier and updated it like Minecraft!" as a response, that's not how it works. Once a games released its very difficult to go through all these massive time-consuming changes. Hypixel wants to be able to consistently update Hytale and ensure it has consistent support for all parts of the community, a beta is simply too risky.
Yeah, the initial release was slated for 2019.
Though I will say, if "polishing" the game takes an extra 4-5 years, it was probably not wise to plan on its release that early anyways.
And nah, I don't think they should've released it early and updated like Minecraft, I mentioned that in the video
@@mcbyt only reason i made this comment is because i saw multiple others saying these exact things, it baffles me how some either dont watch videos all the way through or put more than a few minutes of thought into something.
@@dovahfruit9503 It just feels like their scope grew a bit too big and they're going to want everything to be "perfect" (nothing wrong with that, but rebuilding the entire game from scratch and planning to release on console and PC at the same time? Yikes). Most games would be nearing end of development/open beta periods by this point, I'm a bit scared its going to be stuck in development hell.
If I understand the full situation correctly, Riot had also suddenly pulled out of the deal because of who owns them, so their budget was cut and that probably hit incredibly hard on their plans.
Personally I would be happy with a semi-clunky game as long as it’s updated as long as it runs pretty smooth I’m not very picky since this game looks so good
I do remember them saying somewhere they were rebuilding the engine so the game could be cross platform from day one of release. I guess that's good for the long term but having even one platform available might help the game gain and maintain hype.
It's not gonna be more cross platform by using C++ instead of java
@@atiedebee1020 indeed not, all kinds of system-specific crap that has gotten in the way of every attempt at cross-platform ever. C++ is no different.
@@ETXAlienRobot201 Minecraft Bedrock is mostly C++ And it is cross platform basically on all consoles including mobile phones
@@CWAent your point is? i guarantee the stuff of nightmares is in that source code to make it remotely possible for cross-platform to work. C++ , by itself, is not cross-platform. different systems implement different APIs. graphics, as an example. this is critically important to running an app, if not compiling it.
@@atiedebee1020 You forget that Java isn't supported by any modern console as of today. So it would've just divided the community between Hytale Java edition on PC and a cross platform version running on it's own engine in C++ similar to Bedrock edition.
C++ also offers massive performance boosts and more modding capability. It even makes an official RTX shader possible, as it's simply impossible on Minecraft Java edition.
You guys don't know how bad Java truly is, do you?
When you said "I have never seen a game so distant from it's community" you probably forgot about hollow knight silksong which was hugely anticipated xD they went essentially radio silent for 3 years. But alas they did finally release a new trailer a couple months ago and it has a release window now.
the release window really hasn't changed, and even so it's more of a "release atmosphere". before it was 2023 to eternity, now its 2024 to eternity lol
Yeah, I haven't been following Hollow Knight so I didn't know about that but you definitely seem right, they kind of left everyone hanging it looks like
The hype for Silksong continues though! It’s coming out... someday...
half life 3????
@@tetonis2452 never
Valve stops on number 2 with all their games then just makes all the games have different name but 3 because they want to make sure that the game is an absolute masterpiece and it includes the most enjoyed/loved parts of their previous games
Valve might be slow with their games and stuff but when they put their minds to something and have it planned out then the games are always as good if not even better than their previous games
I think the biggest thing about Hypixel is that they are own by Riot. If there is a thing about them that I know is that they are a kinda of a secretive company but in the end they deliver great games(exception makes the balancing team) and I think that mentality was passed to Hytale as well. I'm still hyped about it, still can't wait to play with my friends and I am certain that will be a polished and a great game in the end. Will Hytale be a "Minecraft killer" as some people say? No, but it will find a place in the market. All in all, it might be a totally diaster of a game, but that was my opinion.
Biggest thing to be hyped about is that Hytale has access to Riot's music team.
Also Marketing, so I dont see Hytale getting any issues with reintroducing everyone to the game.
@@kassaken6521 If riot is confident about a product, they go all out. Hoping Hytale receives the same treatment as their other games
It could kill Minecraft if it was better in every way
@@anormalguy8407 nothing like Minecraft can exist it's too revolutionary, closest is dwarf fortress and that's an awesome game if you have a nasa CPU
I remember first hearing about Hypixel making their own version of MC at the last Minecon since they were very disgruntled with Mojang. But that seems to have past with Minecraft’s boom again, they sold it off, and now I’d be surprised if it ever comes out
They didnt "sell it off", they already worked together with riot before the acquisition. The same people are working on the game as before with just as much passion and with the added benefit of having the funds and knowledge of a huge game studio on their side. The game is still actively being developed and will come out eventually bigger and better than what anyone could have ever imaged from the announcement trailer in 2018. I'm assuming you havent followed the development of hytale very actively which is understandable and most definitely the right thing to do since release is still somewhat far in the future (2024+). If you have any hytale related questions you would like to have answered or would like to chat with me about hytale I'll gladly do so.
where did you hear they sold it off? as someone a part of this community it kills me when people say things like this
Tell me you're misinformed without telling me you're misinformed
@@terrorcat9485 Idk man, any time a smaller business gets absorbed, it’s soul dies with a the garbage bigger business that just wants profit. Bigger companies used to make games, now they destroy them, just like “Micro-Transactionsoft” has already ruined the bedrock edition of the game. Big company Profit *kills* games and their devs.
@@meat3958 From what i've seen riot has let hytale pretty much do its thing without any objection. We'll have to see how monetization works in hytale when it comes out but at least the devs have clearly stated that they are against stuff like lootboxes or other predatory monetization systems.
Never heard of this before. Absolutely looks amazing. If its a game mainly about exploring and killing monsters I'm all in. Just the design of the monsters is insane
Mostly a Minecraft with one of those big RPG modpacks thar are actually cool and fun for what it seems.
Try out vintage story.
@Blueveil It's so much more than that though. It's basically a voxel engine with an adventure mode to show what can be made with it.
The server infrastructure is going to be so much better than Minecraft and there's going to be automatic port forwarding so you don't have to pay for a subscription service or go through the hassle of setting up your own server.
There will be a marketplace where you can browse player-generated content such as maps, skins, and mods. You'll be able to download them with one click instead of having to download thirty-party software and mess with the files yourself. The game will have full mod support and the modding tools that the developers used will be given to the players for free!
There will be a server browser where you can sort servers by tags or name and you'll be able to join even modded servers with one click without having to download the mods yourself.
You guys are really not understanding what this game is if you think it's going to be another basic voxel survival game.
To me it just looks like those bootleg Minecraft mobile games, what with the textures and all, but eh
@@apersoniguess_ looks better than MC
I found this video searching for hytale wondering what happened!
(How do you not have more subscribers?) Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much, glad you liked it :) And that might be a speedrun world record for someone finding my video through the search, you commented like, what, 7 minutes after release?
@@mcbyt 4 minutes ahah🤣 it said 4 atlest🤣
From what i see he commented a minute before THE video came out
@@AvoidMyHitz ahahaha it's strange how the world works sometimes!
Hytale progress is pretty well documented.
1) Game almost ready
2) Riot acquisiom
2) Game reworked to work with mobile
3) Engine changed to make mobile compatibility better
4) Games 'adventure' mode reworked from the zone idea to more Minecraft like style with procgen but with premade assets (story pieces)
5) Finishing the latest vision
That's pretty much it.
I love the way they handle it. I'm tired of unfinished or rushed games. This is the kind of dedication I would have wanted to see for Battlefield 2042 for example.
So you are willing to wait 7 years for a mediocre game?
@@gamerplaytime8174 so you are saying you wanna wait 3 years and have an unplayable game because it has so much bugs (like cyberpunk2077) or wait more so they fix it? also you saying "7 years" cuphead took 7 years to make, have u seen it yet? what about cuphead dlc? they all took long to make because if not they would be bad.
@@_enzo_2792 tbh it might take them longer, but your right it is better to have a functioning game but I'm afraid the fanbase is slowly disappearing.
@@gamerplaytime8174 all i hope is that it releases before 2024
@@gamerplaytime8174 Yes, I'd rather wait for 7 years. I personally wouldn't touch Cyberpunk or Battlefield because I'd think it's a waste of money due to all these release issues. They might be fixed by now but still. It's not just me that wants a quality game, it's also the companies image that's getting ruined by publishing unfinished games as you can see.
"I have never seen a game so distant from it's community."
Team Fortress 2 After last major update in 2016 "Heh. Too young, too pure."
i mean, that game is 15 years old now so i can't entirely blame them
Completely different. TFT stopped the support and update of the game, Hytale didnt even launch
@@erichdegurechaff9515 either gets abandoned after birth or stay in the womb and got abortion
this reminds me of what happened to Yandere Simulator, the game got millions of views when it was relevant but is so forgotten nowww
Yeah, the dev kinda brought that on himself for... a lot of reasons
The dev was exposed for doing something bad. I forget what it was but he ruined the game himself.
Hell company’s even offered to buy the rights to his game but he refused sense he didn’t want any changes to his coding mass.
This later prompted better coders to make clones of the game with a cleaner code, less bugs, less glitches, more updates, and better community.
That was the nail in the games coffin.
why did i get ratiod
@@milkcookies8202 i am so sorry this was not my intention
@@mcbyt you just did it again
Their biggest problem was that the trailer was released strategically when Minecraft looked like it was starting to die down. Which is why there was so much hype. Because people were excited for all the things they would fix as you said in the video.
But when Minecraft resurfaced higher than ever 2 things happened.
1. Hytale is less needed now that Minecraft is back in full swing.
2. Hypixel aren't as focused on hytale because of how the server grew due to the Minecraft resurgence. Because of that hytale takes longer to develop and it cost them big time.
Hytale and hypixel studios are not related. Hypixel is its own team, and Hytale Studios is its own team. The people who work on Hytale do not interact with minecraft or the hypixel team.
I don't think hytale is less needed, Minecraft doesn't evolved that much in the last years. It might be popular right now but I think unrelated to that, if Hytale will be ever released it will eventually rise interest among the community.
@@ChickenSando I just think that everything hytale has can easily be solved by mods that many people released.
@@shachardahan1081 Minecraft mods have their limits. They have to be up to date, the overall performance is not that great and looks like Hytale's modding will be much more simple and fast. Also the original problem was that big servers like Hypixel can't utilize mods because there's no ingame management for that. Modern games are about big online servers, but in Minecraft that's not possible with mods.
The Minecraft full swing is over tho
I think the way Hytale went dark is like Riot Games operates with games that are not yet polished enough, Project F was announced in I believe 2020 and we haven't heard of it since, Project L was the same until last year November and if you look how drastically this game has changed from the first Gameplay trailer till then you can see that it improved a lot and the community really liked the changes.
Thats a good point. Ever since the Riot acquisition, they started emulating Riot-style communication, which means super rare community updates, but they tend to be substantial when we get them.
they should rename it to Project W
yeah the creator of this video barely addressed how riot games acquired hytale, which is massive btw. I would easily say riot is the best game company.
to be honest even if its as hyped up I still like to come back to the comunity and watch how the developemtn goes, will always be hyped for hytale
I have seen the video and, as an active member of the Hytale community, I would like to share my opinion about it. So before criticizing it, I'd start from the things you said that, to me, make sense. Hytale released is trailer too soon, and Hypixel Studio, did a poor job at analizing the impact that a trailer like that would have on the gaming community. Having said that the other parts of the video don't make much sense (in my opinion of course). In fact, it assumes that since the hype of the game has dropped, then Hypixel studio must necessarily give more content if it doesn't want it's game to die. But this reasoning can only be applied to a released game. As far as we know only a few people (beyond Hypixel Studio) have played the game, and if a game hasn't been released how can it be dead? It's like saying that a book that hasn't been printed yet will be a failure. On the other hand, if many people have forgotten that the game exists, when it will be released (and if it is really as good as it seems), the content creators will play it, the hype will rise again, and the rest is story. Another criticism I have on the video is that you consider Hytale a game distant from his community, howevere let's take for example Minecraft. Minecraft infuriated his community with the chat report system, with all the bans happening at random (especially in the Bedrock Edition, which is also the most played version of it), not even mentioning the PvP update, which has divided the community in half, and to which only one person (Jeb) works on it (and after more than a year and a half we still don't have anything official, just snapshots). Howevere in the end there it is, still going strong, despite all the controversies, Minecraft (fortunately) is still one of the most played games in the word. So being "distant" from his own community shouldn't be problematic, especially if we are talking about a game wich hasn't been released yet.
Then the video gets to compare a team that makes indie games with Hytale (wich btw consider himself a tripleA game) and how this indie game keeps contact with the community. It' simply not the same thing, it's like saying that Fromsoftware should have had weekly streams about the development of Elder Ring, and snapshot about how the game was (wich btw happened but are just some photos and 2 short videos). It isn't something that, in my opinion, you can do with project this massive.
If you made it here thank you, it mean that you care about Hytale (on a positive or negative way) and If you have any criticism fell free to write them in this comment section (possibly in a polite way)
Thank you for your patience. [Also sorry for any grammatical mistakes]
Games can absolutely be dead on arrival with lack of promotion, even if they once had a thriving and eager-to-play community; for example, Duke Nukem Forever, which turned one of the most beloved FPS franchises into a ghost town.
While Minecraft has definitely divided it's community over the years, it's not distant; it's still very much involved and listening to the players, as shown by, for example, the mob votes.
Elden Ring did, like you said, keep up with it's community actively. See, Triple-A games have the resources to keep up with huge communities. Indie games have the closeness and familiarity with their community which allows them to keep everyone in the loop. Hytale doesn't seem to have either.
Hytale: *makes two post a year*
Silksong: Pathetic.
3 years radio silence x.x
Maybe its not yet dead but like *Stray* which took 7 years! Hytale also takes a lot of time to develope what they promised to us!
You shouldn’t release a trailer if your game is not ready for release.
@@darth3911 it was going to release but riot brought em and they decided to better more and more the game with the new budget they had
@@zhan146 Interesting how it's only after the TenCent Riot investing that they suddenly gained plans to completely redesign the game to work on mobile and console, two things they specifically said they wouldn't be doing before. That chinese mobile market money is too tempting to resist, even more so when their new financial bosses come in and """ask""" them to do it too.
@@shadowsword420 i mean they were doing the whole game in a language that didn't allow for console or mobile ports so ye...
my god that was in 2018 its been so long jesus
fr it felt so much more recent, i feel old now
I'm sorry but this shit is stupid af. You're essentially complaining that they aren't promoting and hyping up the game enough prior to its actual release. Current interest doesn't mean anything, people's attention is fickle in this day and age. Having Riot Games as a publisher means they can easily skyrocket interest with a decent marketing campaign when the game is close to release and, provided the game can back up its promises, get a guaranteed player base.
Your videos actually shock me. The sheer quality that derives from your videos is unmatched. The information is interesting and easy to follow. The video flows nicely with good pace and the clips are always visually pleasing and relevant to the script. Plus you always say exactly what I’m thinking.
Even with the good amount of support that you have right now, you deserve way more.
Keep up the good work because I love watching your content. 👍
I do agree with what you said and it is a good video in essence but it does feel like the research was a bit surface level. That's really the only part I dislike about the video but I'm glad he did research at all. I have seen videos before that didn't even do basic research before sharing their opinions on the game.
Haha, thank you man, I really do appreciate it. Doing my best to improve and I'm really happy with how the recent videos have turned out (and the support has been nuts), so genuinely thank you. I'll do my best to keep going :)
@Terror Cat Yeah, this was meant to be a more basic video on its history/current state. Hytale could have a full hour-long documentary on its development, mistakes, successes, story, etc but I don't think I'm the most qualified person to do that.
I know the communication should be better, but how they do it is common in the industry and one BIG thing you forgot in all of this is the situation of the last 3 years.
Two of my most anticipated games besides Hytale did not really good communicate and got really hit by the pandemic, namely Kerbal Space Programm 2 and Zelda Tears of the Kingdom (BotW2). KSP2 was revealed 2019 at Gamecom and should also be released early 2020. But that it was delayed many times. All there was where only some Interviews with the Devs and a Dev diary every 4 to 6 Months. The current release Date is Early 2023, 3 years later than planned. The same with Zelda, revealed 2019 at E3 and with the pandemic we only got a new trailer at E3 2021. There were only 3 more Trailers, 2 mini trailer and the last one with the name and release date for 2023.
Many more games are in the same situation, Hytale is not the only one. Just to name a few more: Silksong, Atomic Heart, The Last Night, Paralives and every game from Ubisoft (but this is more Ubisofts fault)
Still waiting on Atomic heart 😭 it looked so good
Yeah bruh, we waited like 4 years for the Bendy Sequel, WITHOUT communication
@@foopygoopy1860 and it is good
I think the part about giving updates is very important in maintaining the hype for a game. Developers who can give their communities updates generally have higher player counts. Just look at the Paradox games, they all have large communities, and any updates are always kept up on a weekly or monthly basis
6:00 "I have never seen a game so distant from it's community." You clearly don't know about Rockstar Games LOL. Jokes aside i think they tuned down the community posts because they have nothing "interesting" to show. We gotta remember that hytale will have the most extensive modding support and also will launch on multiple platforms at once. Not every step in a games development progression is presentable. And all they have to do to get back hype is another trailer. Honestly i have high hopes.
I’ve been thinking about it a lot. If they don’t release it by 2024 at the VERY latest i think it’s going to flop
true, but then again, there's definitely been some games with MASSIVE delays that were super successful. fortnite, for example, announced in 2011 but not released until 2017 (granted, that was for the save the world gamemode which still wasn't very successful, but whatever)
but yeah i agree with you
I can't imagine it flopping ngl. Being a game with a trailer with nearly 60 million views, having access to the biggest and most famous minecraft server on the planet that can be used for free advertising to their ideal target audience and just in general being a game thats absolutely brimming with creativity and passion i cannot in my right mind say i think hytale will flop.
@@terrorcat9485 Hypixel players will probably play it for a bit before going back to Minecraft
it can't really flop, Riot wouldn't let that happen. and sorry, but it's likely not coming out until 2025
@@SchizophrenicFrog Minecraft has so many shortcomings and a pattern of bad decision making. Many people are fundamentally unhappy with the game or have stopped playing entirely. I'm sure hytale will be a success.
I think at this point it's actually not that bad of an idea for them to kind of let the hype fade and slip into the background for the time being, that way they can come out swinging again with something big when they're actually ready and can capitalize on it by having a close and realistic release date.
It's not that unthinkable that they could get a second wind if they suddenly release some massive content drop/release trailer, but if they try to keep the community informed and just trickle out teasers over the years then they won't actually have all that much new stuff to show when they're gonna need to get the hype train rolling again.
So I think they're actually doing a smart move here by not showing all their cards early, yeah it sucks for those fans who would like to follow along, but if they want to capture a bigger audience they will need to time it right.
Basically they're better off charging their spirit bomb then spamming ki blasts that do nothing in the long run. ;p
Ehh, might not be as good as a idea as you think. If we were to take a game like Bendy and the Dark Revival, for example, them this would probably be a bad idea.
@@greysoncrowe5196 subnautica below zero had a similar thing happen. The games development was closely followed and broadcast right up until they decided to delay the game and overhaul the story, then they went silent. And the release was more successful than they hopped.
One thing I hope Hytale doesn't do is become overly complicated in the gameplay, it needs to be simple, easy to understand and if you want to learn any advancements you can do that. That's what I really think what Minecraft perfects on is it's simple game design while giving the option for the player to progress onto the advanced gameplay designs if they'd want too.
If Hytale actually releases, im convinced the hype will come back. I mean look at Eldenring, the devs didnt say anything from release trailer until close to release. Or just look at Valheim, when the game comes out and people realize its good, they will play it, even if it was unknown prior to release.
I was in middle school when the trailer came out and now I've finished highschool and already got a job. By the time this game release, i will probably have opened my own business, married and got 2 kids.
The single fact of knowing that they are rewriting their engine into a different coding language is enough to guess that it will take a really long time to be ready. Doing this is not like translating betweeen spoken/written languages, rewriting functions, procedures and algorithms take a lot of time. Just see how much time it takes for Minecraft's mod devs to update their code between versions (and being the same language).
I remember wanting nothing else then this game to release buts it went silent
another amazing video
thank you my friend :)
False. the game is being polished to be done, its not a rush there doing Not like how Cyberpunk 2077 did to its game Hytale did a good job polishing the game and it did infact taken a good path to not risk rushing the Game
so i say this
the game is gonna be coming out in 2023 because of how much the supporting it did for over the past 3 years it polished its game and made it and took its time now its coming in 2023
You may calm down
@JPixel99 ........*sad face*
Ah, I was surprised there was no mention of Tyron, a dev that left the team to make his own game Vintage Story, It is out and you buy and it is still in development
Not sure if you mentioned it because I couldnt watch the while video but didnt riot games acquire all of hypixel studios including hytale? Which means they’re no longer backed by a small indie studio- and they did show some gameplay on the announcement video. I have big faith in riot so i’m sure they wont just forget about the game.
I think when it releases/beta it will exploded in popularity with lots of content creators making videos on the game shining a light on the game and people will comeback to the game and new people too.
Yeah maybe, but the suffering they made the community surpass is really a shame, they should never announce a game, create a hype, and them don't support the community in a proper way.. thats just dumb and really no one benefits for this..
@@sectorforall1760 they didnt know that it would blow up like that dont blame them for something they had no control over
I'm sure that when it nears it's release, it will be popular again. Why? Because Riot Games bought them. They KNOW how to market stuff properly and i'm 100% sure that when the time comes, they will do everything they can to promote this game, as it could be the "Minecraft Killer" for a lack of better words.
Good things come to those who wait.
i certainly hope so
all they gotta do is release another hype trailer then the hype's back and they release the game. the only thing they should worry about is nailing it day one which is what they're doing. they don't have to be that active cause the only people who will keep up with its development are the ones who will play it no matter what
I wouldn't call Hytale... forgotten, It's still very much hyped up.
I suppose it just depends on the community. I'm getting people saying they don't even know what it is anymore and a lot of people commenting that they've given up hope/are disappointed
@@mcbyt I suppose people that haven't really spent much time looking at Hytale stuff (ie, Minecraft community, youtube viewers, general public) have kind of forgotten about the game, however people that have really invested time into looking at Hytale stuff, still (mostly) have hope. And, while not mentioned in your video, I can also say that a lot of Hytale youtube channels have simply stopped, due to the lack of news (eg, Kweebec Corner, Hytale News), especially since in 2021 (?) when Hypixel Studios were bought out by Riot Games, a whole load of Hytale focused channels sprung up.
Another thing I think you should've mentioned in your video is that Hypixel and Hypixel Studios are two VERY, VERY different companies, one being the Minecraft Server people, and one being the game studio owned by Riot. You didn't make that SUPER clear in your video, but maybe that's just me. Anyway, great video, love your content! Still holding on to hope that Hytale is great!
@@cyberpxlMost people stopped paying attention to Hytale two years ago.
That was when the hype train completely died out. All thats left is the community waiting for a game that many think they will not get.
i heard about hytale in 3rd grade, now im in highschool
This is why I've been following Vintage Story's development closer, smaller team but it's a labor of love rather than pushing to be the top product. I'm not sure if it's still at this point or not but HyTale and Vintage Story were based, funny enough, on Manic Digger source code, which was a classic injoke for us back in the good ol' archaic days. I hope things continue along for both projects, but I also hope the developers aren't caught in dev hell.
Also Vintage Story dev (Tyron, I think) had worked on Hytale before Vintage Story, and before Hytale Tyron had made mods for Minecraft. Didn't like how modding is limited in Minecraft, and didn't liked where Hytale was going to.
I have been playing Vintage Story and have been following the community, and I can say development on VS is still ongoing at a slow and steady pace! We normally get a teaser once a week or two if we are lucky about features or mechanics that Tyron and some of the other devs have been working on.
3:57 I'm not sure that 1.16.5 was *that* bare-bones...
"A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad"
Please hypixel, for the love of God, take ALL the time you need
Tencent is funding riot and riot is making Hytale. They pretty much have infinite $$$ to spend. Hype will be back when they do their AD campaigns for months on Twitch and elseehere.
Hytale is going to be good. It's best to forget about games when they are in development. No community updates dosen't mean they aren't working on it. It's not a kick starter, it's a dev team working for a company who cares about quality with all the money in the world. They dont have to rush. Minecraft killer? That will completely depend on the marketing and advertising along modding support.
Riot is VERY COMPETENT at getting thr right people for the right job and improve on game concepts already done before. Look at Valorent compared to CSGO, look at League of Legends compared to Dota. They took over.
the thing is, it does not matter if it is forgotten
its great that they take their time to actually make a game which the community deserves
as soon as it releases, its going to blow up big time, no matter how many people forgot about it, i dont fear a shattered community
yeah this video kinda sucks, letting the developers take their time and release the game in a few years is way better for everyone
He literally said even if 10% plays then it will be massively successful,but he’s right on the part where the longer you wait the more the hype dies down, like i totally forgot about this game before this video popped up
@@ChickenJoe-tq6xd The hype will not die, because it simply already did, when they actually have a release date, the hype will grow back. Going radio silence was a decent choice. If they release a trailer tomorrow, I will be just as hyped as 4 years ago.
They may take the long way aproach, a similar game took the same route, bendy and the dark revival, too many delays which was suppose to launch at 2019, and paired with controversies and little communication with its community, everyone thought it was dead, cancelled, then recently they finally released the game, it was a hit with several youtubers playing the game, so hytale still has a chance, the bendy community literally had a dark revival, so too can hytale.
And then after a few weeks the game becomes irrelevant again until it's first update and then rinse and repeat.
I remember seeing this trailer and seeing it advertised on Hypixel when it was first released! I havent heard about it in years and figured it was cancelled.
Im still excited but I hope it comes out someday.
yeah. for me the trailer came around a time i got invested into minecraft and minecraft youtubers, and i was so hyped about it for the first time ever. i have had moments i randomly rememberd it
@@matthijsweststrate5552 same!
Personally, I think that the lack of hype is a good thing. Typically overhype is a big factor of games sucking Including Cyperpunk 2077, although I’m aware there are other factors. Due to this I’m actually glad they stopped the frequent updates.
At this point I think they should just run to a "good enough" goal and then release a few updates as soon as they can when they release the first edition. After the first month or two release a larger update and keep modifying it while keeping in contact with the community. That might help them and might rescue them from the inevitable failure when it releases at this point.
Yeah they might have to pull a no man’s sky maneuver
this is the worst thing they should definitely NOT do this inless they wanna piss people off myself included im tired of people wanting devs to release there work early just to have other people shit on them for doing such a thing it comes out when it well comes out a early release would mean more bugs as well. and i get it people are still waiting for this game but id rather have them continue to work on it rather than release some really buggy product that could also hurt them in the long run just cause people wanted it early.
@@Helix142 it was ready in 2021, they gave us a release date. There is no excuses at this point for "unfinished game"
@@ZverseZ They had to grow the scope of the game to meet the overwhelming popularity it got, especially after riot bought their studio. Hell they even rewrote the entire engine of the game and basically had to start from scratch
@@Helix142 i understand that, i do not think they should release it early with unfinished parts but rather finish the bare minimum to make it complete, the polish can be added later and the story can be expanded at any time. If they keep pushing it back its release wont be noticed by nearly enough people to keep the game moving and to keep its relevance. I think that they should finish the game in a way to make it have a full base story and make it good enough to play the base part of it. If they strive for full polish right of the bat the game will be in a loop where its never good enough. I am someone who writes a good bit of stories for others, for myself and for communities and I struggle with this every time as i always want them to be perfect, the problem is that you have to draw the line somewhere in the middle. In a place you are happy with it and where its finished enough to get people to enjoy it. Again i dont want cyberpunk to repeat but rather the minimum viable product to hit the market to keep the relevance and popularity of hytale going until its full and final release.
I REALLY hope they release this game in 2024 (which is now the earliest possible release date by the way), but I just don't think its gonna happen. The fact that even in their latest blog post they're still showing concept art instead of actual gameplay makes me think we're still in the early stages of development, which puts the release date of this game not at 2024, but 2025, 2026, or even later.
I can't lie whenever I think of this game I do get hyped up just like I was when I first saw the trailer. I know once it does come out I will pay whatever the price tag is, and play it into oblivion
Tbh Hytale is a fading memory at this point. Back at that time when the trailer was released, Minecraft was at a low point in popularity and was the PERFECT time for the game to be released. Right now though, obviously Minecraft has made a comeback on TH-cam especially.
I agree with the video, but maintaining a community and staying away from burn-out is hard. Your videos stand out to me as some of the only good content at this time! Keep it up
Thanks so much man, really appreciate it! And yeah for sure, they can't be blamed entirely, it's a very hard thing to do
4:41 Lets be real, at the rate Minecraft is updating their game at 2 mobs per lightyear, Hytale should be stress free about racing Minecraft while developing 😂😂
evry time i go back to Hytale and see all the progression they made makes me soo friking hyped up all over again
Tho instead of taking a look at Minecraft's mistakes they should take a look at Trove's mistakes, hytale is literally Trove 2.0, not Minecraft tbh
I remember when Hytale first started growing, I was extremely excited especially as a kid who loved Minecraft. Hytale is definetely going to be an amazing game, it's just sad to see it die away slowly. I wish it the best and I'll be sure to check it out once it comes out :)
No one wants to wait 7 years for a mediocre game.
@@gamerplaytime8174 better than MC
@@applenewmoon4402 how can something be better if no one has even tried it? Tbh it could be worst😑
@@gamerplaytime8174 and how can it be worse if no one ever tried is the same argument bro. We are just hyped for the game also 7 years is good because then it will be a more well made game do you think developing games are easy?
@@jpdarkone4096 Quality of games is not based on just counting the time it took to make. It's taken this long because development stalled out, not because it's actually being worked on in full force for 7 years.
Anyone that's actually worked on a long term project understands that after so many years you look back and say things like, "wow, in retrospect we got almost nothing done the entire year 6". Projects stall out when they start going on too long. You end up with months between significant progress updates. "Team B needs me to get something to them. It's not a good time right now, I'll make sure to get it to them in the next 2 weeks". Things stall out people get stuck on tiny bumps for days and weeks longer than they would have at the start of work.
Well if Metroid Dread taught me anything. A game can be 16 years on off in development hell, be cancelled internally twice and still release being an insanely good installment.
Some things take time, the longer Hytale is in development the higher the chance that it will actually be a good game.
Miyamotos famous line is a good example of it
Of course most of the time development hell lead to games like Duke Nukem Forever or Cyberpunk 2077 (pre patches)
crazy that he has the talent to stretch something that can be explained in 45 seconds into an 8 minute video
Ok then u speak about it in “45 sekonds”
seconds *
As cool as Hytale looks, I wish this effort went into something open-source like Veloren.
Veloren is already playable and, while it doesn't look anywhere near as impressive as Hytale, I'd say it easily has just as much potential, if not more.
It feels like Karlson is going to come out sooner than Hytale at this point
i like your funny words magic man
@@Arvl. oh, so you don't know what Karlson is? *laughs maniacally*
Killing the hype for Hytale was actually done entirely on purpose by Hypixel. They stated in a winter blog post that the game wouldn't be ready for a few more years and that the scope of the game dramatically increased due to the expectations of their community. They stated in the same post that they would be attempting to kill the "feverish hype" going forward until they were closer to release. Rare posts is NOT a lack of communication, it's done entirely on purpose to keep the hype low. Once we get closer to release, I'm sure we'll get a new trailer and a whole slew of blog posts they hadn't put out to the public over their years of HARD behind-the-scenes work. They still interact with their community occasionally, for example, thankmas, or the interviews that happened a little while ago. They stated many times that they LOVE their community and the entire focus of the game is going to be on the community as a whole.
However, right now, it's better to stay quite because hype never helped anyone when they had to wait as long as I have. 5 years, to be exact.
I personally enjoy seeing little reminders of Hytale through their postcards every now and then.
Don't have any worry about it, Hytale has an amazing dev team of extremely passionate people and they know exactly what they're doing.
When it's closer to release, Hytale is going to hit the news in a way we haven't ever seen with a game before. All they need to do is release ONE trailer with a release date and ALL of the hype will return plus even more than the original.
i am surprised that they haven't released a public beta yet. yes, the game might not be as polished as they want to, but getting a portion of the game out to the public is needed to keep it alive
I take interest in the game, but I run Linux, and without official declaration of Linux support, I probably won't be able to play the game as nearly all developers don't care at all about the 1% of people who use that as their OS. But even so, I'd much rather wait a really long time for a refined game rather than a buggy mess. To me, the lack of connection doesn't really bother me, as I take a lot of interest in Scrap Mechanic, which posts just about as much, maybe even less.
I really wish that they had used the benefits of early access, similar to survival games like Subnautica (and how that game owes it's success to it's early access phase)
This has issues though. You can't rebuild your engine when you need to constantly be building onto it. It causes games to get a little bit of everything but not enough of all of it.
Just depends but when you are redoing so much of the game it's better they didn't.
Hytale will end up looking like Minecraft Legends with a Roblox style of customization in a world similar to Hypixel Skyblock.
"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever." Shigeru Miyamoto
Cyberpunk 2077 and Duke Nukem Forever says otherwise 👀
@@felps_4500 that's because the devs where rushed and the fans where sending threats to them if they didn't release the game
No way the Japanese emperor that committed multiple war crimes said that!! Love that you’re sharing the news, he always loved to play Minecraft with hitler and I’m sure that he is excited for the release of hytale.
Hype is overrated. It's only important to attract players at launch or to secure funding. If Riot is convinced the game is worth it based on what is being shown behind closed doors, then all the devs need is players at launch. It doesn't matter if they go dark for years. They will make a splash if their product is backed by Riot and plays as good as it looks.
I get it, it sucks being excited for unreleased content, but years of dripfeed is only better than years of silence (and vice versa) because the grass always looks greener on the other side. People just end up complaing about things being announced too early and being in development hell if you over communicate and deliver late. Everybody has a vision of the perfect way to handle that kind of situation but they're all going to eat flak. The best solution is to avoid that situation. Don't reveal early, don't hype early, have funding and significant progress beforehand.
Game's dead if they mismanage or lose funding because they can't deliver on a platform, sure, but hype is transient and easy to generate. It's a nonfactor. Personally I think ripping the band-aid off and going dark is the best move when you know you revealed too early to meet expectations.
The thing that made me lose a lot of interest on Hytale was when they announced that they'd been bought by Riot since Riot is owned by Tencent
What isn't owned by Tencent nowadays. Still, Riot itself is a very good and respectable company. Given none of their game releases are P2W and all of them are atleast somewhat sucessful. With Leauge being literally the most active moba in the world. Riot funding Hytale is a good thing.
@@c4ke_rs riot made valorant, which has so many privacy concerns
@@coryduff it doesn't, lol
the thing that made me lose interest was that they decided to rebuild their engine after 5+ years of development, making hytale not release in the next 2+ years
this shouldn't matter, the acquisition by riot gave them a much larger budget and workpower and was nothing but a good thing
@@tncjprcsh I dont believe you when you say you lost interest. It would be more accurate if you said you lost interest in following Hytale. I mean when the game does come out eventually let's say in 2-3 years which is still a long time away, it's not like you're gonna be like a child and be like "if i don't get it right now I don't want it at all". We all know damn well youre gonna play it when it comes out just like the rest of the hytale community.
“Hype” is a cash grab. The game will speak for itself. Apex hit 1 million players in the first 24 hours and they revealed it on the trailer saying “Available now” at the end without any previous mentions during development and is now one of the top played games in the world. With Hytale already so anticipated, they can do something similar.
If they were still independent I'd be worried, but considering they were acquired by Riot Games, I honestly have hope that in the end it'll deliver. Once they're closer to release and start hyping up the game, I think that it'll once again reach a great level of anticipation.
Exactly this. The fact that they're part of Riot makes the game all but guaranteed to be great.
This is a pretty bad take tbh. Time just raises expectations, but it's not like the people that were interested back then, suddenly aren't interested anymore. You even show cube world in the video yourself, a game which skyrocketed in popularity again when it finally got a "release". Sure, it was negatively received for gameplay reasons, but it's not like the release went under the radar. This kind of negative thinking is just part of the problem, from a marketing perspective, they're not loosing out on anything really.
I don’t actually think it’s a mistake to not post regular updates. As they are rewriting the code things will have appeared to have gone backwards which would draw criticism from those who don’t understand that it will create a more stable end result. Regular updates also risks burning potential players out, if you’re constantly teasing a game but never actually releasing then people will lose interest and dismiss the project entirely. Alternatively if they have a big media push just prior to launch it’ll generate far more hype. As for releasing sooner with an unfinished game, it’s far harder to regain the communities trust than releasing a polished title initially.
Eh no.
There are industry examples that showed that staying open in game development is beneficial for the community but also for development.
Digital Extremes the company that created Warframe is literally proof of this, they regularly have "Devstreams" where the devs talk and announce the changes and developments for the game even if that content was to come out in 2 or 6 months we still have fragments or information.
And yet every year they have a special event dedicated in their community and announce the next content (Tennocon / Tennolive).
Digital Extremes was not a AAA company and it was only in 2020 that Tencent, the same parent company of Riot Games, became interested in them and acquired them.
Being radio silent for that long is so easy to screw up because you can literally tune out what your players want(Cube World) or get out right(Hollow knight).
But being open to development in an organized way only proves to be beneficial because it allows your community to follow the development and feel that despite being slow the progress is marked.
@@koroxo1152 There’s a key difference between say warframe, star citizen, and this project. They have an alpha already available, so open communication always plays to see how their experience will improve over time. In this case I don’t think they’re ready to release an alpha, and launching a broken/unfinished game could completely destroy the project.
ME: nah there is no invisible timer, surely nobody forgets about things so hype
OTHER ME: me thinking about 3000 days luke the notable
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i really hope this game turns out good
It's definitely looking better than it was in 2018, but the lack of publicity might've killed it
@@mcbyt yea, but they could probably release another trailer a few months before game and that could bring back hype
@@mcbyt You do have to consider that riot acquired hytale and they have every motivation to make sure hytale is a success. If they didnt trust the game, it's developers and their vision then surely they wouldnt have acquired it in the first place. Riot has worked with and showed great interest in Hytale for a long time before the acquisition. They saw Hytales potential and wanted to fully realise it.
It's not dead. The game developers flat out said not to expect a 2023 release and that they would publicize fewer updates in the future. They're rewriting the game engine, which takes an enormous amount of time.
Honestly? I really want Hytale to succeed, but at the same time I want it to crash and burn into the ground. I’ve been with Minecraft for so long that it would break my heart to see it get pushed into irrelevancy (somehow) by another game. Hytale looks good, but I’m sticking with Minecraft for now…
You know two games can coexist? Apex Legends didnt kill Fortnite, PUBG, WarZone didnt kill too, they all exist together
@@erichdegurechaff9515 Yeah but.. this game was said to be the “minecraft killer” iirc
@@RDMaks This is said for every game in a popular genre. Apex was the Fortnite killer, Valorant was CSGO killer...
@@erichdegurechaff9515 true….. half of my comment is probably just me voicing my thoughts in that moment so I didn’t really think of patching up all the inconsistencies
don’t take it too seriously because i probably fucked something up
Let's be honest hytale isn't going to kill Minecraft. So you don't have to worry about it "replacing the game" because it won't.
I was excited for this game too, because Minecraft kind of lets me down with the updates, stymying the modding community, and updates that are really underwhelming as thos "updates" should have just been official mods to let people customeize their worlds as they see fit. The need for this game is still there, the sandbox building/adventuring community is still wanting something more. It would be very sad to see this end up in the trash bin.
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad. ..."
Shigeru Miyamoto
Taking your time to finish a game is nothing new but its most definitely a double edge sword. When is it ever enough? Its like upgrading a PC, yea you can buy the newest and best hardware currently out but in a few months something new drops. You gotta put a stop in it somewhere and focus on other stuff (a release/alpha/beta in this case).
Was hyped for it when it was announced,. But after seeing the train wreck of bugs and issues they have on skyblock, i lost confidence that Hypixel could pull off a real competitor to Minecraft.
Ima say smt, there is another game that im really hype for but its small but it does everything, live stream, content, updates and talks to the community, its called War Of the Worlds Game, based on 2005 but yeah its like 50,000 thousand people are in the community and they are doing fine but yeah small
Jo i straight up disagree with almost all of this.
It's great that they are not rushing, I'd rather have a god game in 5 years than a bad one now.
It could be argued that their trailer was released to early, having now lost its traction. while that is true it also allowed them to get support from riot games (which you never mentioned i think). Riot is at this point a trusted company and they seem to be handling this project with care, not rushing development. With the support of such a trusted publisher and the name having be heard by a shit load of people, will probably mean it'll regain a lot of hype once we close in on release.
While the fewer dev updates are definitely less fun for it's current community, i'd argue it was a wise decision because they knew they still have a lot to do and the hype was already almost completely gone when they stopped updates. The main purpose of dev updates is to extend hype, but when it's gone already, it's wasted effort, especially when you have good things to bet on to regain hype when the product is finally ready (see prevoius point).
I was reprimanded every day for years for playing MC by supporters of this, no offense to anyone who likes it. They preached that their game would make MC obsolete.
They no longer speak of it.
I'm sorry but claims like "Hytale is the most anticipated game of all time" are competely made up by yourself to try and support your argument. Seeing a video with a lot of views is not enough evidence to write that into your video. Please fact check your scripts
As soon as they said they were redoing the engine so they can have it be crossplay with consoles and phones I stopped caring. My first thoughts upon reading that post were "great, now the game will have to be reduced to run smoothly enough for crossplay" I'd rather have the game on one platform to ensure consistency and stability of the game. Redoing the engine to work on three different platforms and keeping up with all three is no easy task.
I was reading the comments and saw many talking about hyping the game up was the fault of the community. I disagree because the devs kept teasing features and talking about plans and whatnot so they were also responsible for the hype train that ensued. Then at a point they basically went silent. Probably realized too late that they should have been more reserved with what they put out.
At this point my interest in the project is low. If the game ever comes out then I will try it and hope it is at least decently put together since most games lately have been released as buggy messes. Even if they put years into the project it can still release as a mess.
I'm hoping for the best for them but my interest is basically gone. I keep forgetting this game even exists because the devs went silent.
Heyyy please I'm begging, we need "dream smp: oversimplified part2"! Pleaseeee season 1 is done so please please please please please please make part 2!!!!
Yall, can these clickbait "hytale is over" videos just end 🙄
The announcement trailer was like 3 years ago. Other less ambitious major games have taken twice to three times as long to finish.
I'm definitely gonna get hytale on release date