32:50 You know, this proposition actually reminds me of a Xenoblade Chronicles 2 antagonist... (SPOILERS to a 2.5-year-old game BELOW) ...Praetor Amalthus. Despite losing his mother at a young age to criminals, he still grew up with the intent of helping others...only for his sense of hope to be fractured when a man he helped went on to kill and rob a family. He decides to climb the World Tree and find Elysium in an effort to renew his hope, but all he found were the two Aegises. After he awakened one of them, and it assumed the form of the destruction-happy Malos (because a newly-awakened Blade takes after their first Driver), Amalthus's genuine hope in the world was permanently damaged.
@Pixel Although I agree with about everything what Swagkage said - the difference with him and Mark regarding Jiren was that Swagkage used opinion while Mark used facts. Also Swag compares Jiren to everyone else in the tournament which just isn't how you analyze. It's like saying that Roshi is super shitty character because he is more forgetful than Goku. In Jiren's case it's even worse because if Toei hadn't focused on him that much maybe they could create more complelling characters than they did. Amont of focus put into Jiren (that was disappointing on it's own) in addition hurts fleshing out every other character.
forgot why I hate super..goku...hes not the goku I grew up with....kid goku teen goku adult goku and dead goku heck gt goku wasn't in love with fighting....he took a threat seriously and got better for his own reasons not to use it vs people but just for himself...he was a hero but he was also normal in fights...he earned his wins he was an underdog usually...in super hes a clown show...
I don't know what you are talking about xD, Goku was ALWAYS a clown that loved fighting to death, heck, if he didn't love fighting as much as he did, he wouldn't have known even half the cast xD, I don't know what version you watched of Dragon Ball (especially the shitty dub), but as someone who read the manga first, Goku was always an idiot... But, DBS did make his character a little dumber tho, but it got fixed in DBS: Broly...
OSAMA-KIN TMZ I am so sick of hearing people say this every time someone mentions how dumb Goku is in Super. Goku was NOT ALWAYS LIKE THAT. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who hate Super because it's not DBZ (I actually like Super), but I hate Goku in Super. Yes he has never been all that bright in any Dragon Ball media, but Super takes it to a completely different level. Goku has never been so completely selfish that he would willingly allow other universes to be destroyed just so he could have a good fight. Granted in the dub he actually shows regret for this, but in the sub he doesn't care at all. Or how about how when he first meets Zamasu and is nagging him to fight him? He never did that in in DB or DBZ. Or how about when he first loses to Goku Black and right after he eats a Senzu bean he says "let's go back right now and fight him again". During the Cell Saga, he knew he was no match for Cell but told him that he will be ready for him after he finishes training. And when him and Vegeta save their sons and Piccolo from Super Buu, Vegeta wanted to bust out and fight Buu, but Goku told him not to because they would still lose to him And let's not forget that Goku is the one who figured out that if Piccolo dies then so would Kami, and also how to negate the weakness a Saiyan has if someone grabs their tail, but yet in Super is stupid enough to still think that Monaka is the strongest fighter in their universe. But please, tell me more about how Goku has always been the brain-dead and selfish dumbass that he is in Super
@@milestone380 Cant believe it took me 8 months to notice this gem of a comment. I'mma copy and paste this whenever someone makes that retarded "Goku has always been dumb lol" argument
Sammy Dray feel free to do so. I’ve seen DB, DBZ, DBGT and Super and read the manga and through all of it, Goku was never my favorite character. Nothing against him, but I enjoyed the stories and the battles that took place as opposed to a specific character. Super however made me flat out despise Goku. He has never been more of a brain-dead, selfish and one-dimensional character in any other media than he is in Super. There wasn’t always much, but in other shows, Goku had some depth to him and had signs of intelligence. In Super, his character can be summed up with 2 quotes: “I hear you’re, strong. Let’s fight” and “it’ll work out”. That isn’t someone you want to root for. I actually enjoyed watching Goku getting his ass kicked
@@milestone380 Watching Goku getting his ass kicked was the reason I thoroughly enjoyed Jiren's first fight with him where he got absolutely decimated and the brief moment where he struggled against Caulifla and Kale while "exhausted" and when Base Kefla absolutely wrecked him in his God form lol. Shame since he is the main character he always bounced back and never faced any true peril or consequences. Imagine how interesting the tournament would have been if Goku and Jiren would have eliminated each other at the half way point when Goku first got Ultra Instinct (and have black haired UI be the definitive version lol). The tournament then would have at least SOME tension rather than none at all.
What I don't get is that you like Super but hate GT, when both series share so many fundamental problems, and Super adds even more problems onto those. First of all, Super has no tension, because we know everybody is gonna be fine since it takes place before the End of Z. Secondly, there are way more plot holes in Super. Thirdly, both GT and Super are not based on any original source material, and yet Super still adds tons of stupid filler? Most of the Tournament of Power is filler. Also, it takes 35 episodes to complete the tournament, even though its supposed to only be 48 minutes long? You can't even argue that they were lying about the length, like Frieza probably was when he said 5 minutes, because the Tournament is an actual event, with defined rules and a clear time limit. Fourthly, most of Dragon Ball Super is dedicated to tickling your nostalgia instead of doing anything original. Say what you can about GT, but Baby is original. You're not gonna find a villain like Baby anywhere in Dragon Ball, or even the Shadow Dragons are a unique concept. Meanwhile, Super is mostly tournament arcs, which we've had enough of in this franchise. This franchise has at least 7 tournament arcs now, and none of them are anywhere near as long as the Tournament of Power arc. Fifthly, those movie recaps have to qualify as a form of torture. Say what you want about GT, but it got right to the new stuff instead of wasting time lengthening a story that we've already seen. I don't know how anyone can like Dragon Ball Super after actually analyzing the series, because the amount of logical inconsistencies and poor writing is immense. Maybe you like watching mindless fights with no tension or story, but this isn't Death Battle, this is a story. If the story doesn't make sense, why should I care about the things happening onscreen? If I don't care about any of the characters, and they randomly get plot buffs all the time, why should I care about a villain getting stronger? Remember, Dragon Ball isn't about fighting, it's about a group of characters who really love to fight. That's the main principle of why Dragon Ball is good, and it was abandoned in Super. The story isn't about the characters anymore, it's about the fights, which is why it fails. The fights were never the best thing about the series, the characters doing the fighting was the best part. What is truly ironic is that My Hero Academia does exactly this, the fights are almost never that interesting from a choreographic point of view, but the characters and the story makes the fights seem so epic and amazing. The thing that's ironic about this, is that this means that My Hero Academia is more Dragon Ball than modern Dragon Ball is. Modern Dragon Ball is mindless fighting and pointless transformations, which is what people who haven't watched the original Dragon Ball think Dragon Ball is like.
I was a huge fan of dragon ball z, and would watch it everyday after school. It was amazing....and then GT came out and I couldn’t believe dragon ball z was continuing.....and it was awful...and it was English dub.....I was used to English dub but somehow it was bad in GT.....years and years later I have stayed away from GT because of my traumatic experience at a young age and super came out AFTER the theatrical release of battle of gods (which I witnessed dubbed) and I wasn’t completely onboard at first but eventually it brought me in.....and this was the first time I have ever watched dragon ball subbed......I feel like the way I grew up with the show is how it affects my opinion. I will always hate GT as it ruined my fave thing as a kid at school....and super introduced me to the Japanese version of the franchise
They're both trash in their own right, but I can say more good about GT than Super. I hate the BSDB Saga is, but at least that was something original that then led into a good Saga (Baby). The first 20 something episodes of Super are movie recaps that look REALLY bad at points and frankly don't add enough to the original material to justify making them when the movies exist. And then it leads into a low stakes tournament arc whose only good points are introducing a new universe (though it's a copycat one), Vegeta mentoring Cabba, and Goku vs. Hit (or at least the Kaioken part). Just in general, GT has some great concepts that just aren't executed that well whereas Super has very little in the way of good concepts, which they screw up as well. Also, ya know, SSJ4 is a cooler, better-designed, more fleshed-out form than any form that came out of Super. Base Goku with Red Hair dye and a one-off energy null move. SSJ with blue hair dye that has solid enough Ki Control to let Goku use Kaioken, which doesn't really make sense as to why he couldn't do it with SSJ when Goku's had great Ki Control since Namek and trained to master SSJ to the point of it not warping his personality and negligibly draining his energy/stamina. SSJ with PINK hair dye and no real explanation as to what its abilities are and how the heck it exists in the first place. Asspull angry SSJ Trunks with no pupils and double aura. Base Goku with a dank silver aura and silver hair when mastered that lets him autododge except when it doesn't. Also the ones that Goku has get no noteworthy W's.
@@MrAnimason Since when does an alternate timeline's happening ever have any real impact??? Hell a whole timeline was erased and how did it Goku and gang took it?? They were celebrating Black's end, said goodbye to poor trunks and sent him off to another timeline and then carried on with their daily lives until the tournament happened. The "tension" in this arc doesn't matter one bit as there are no consequences for the main characters. Fuck the Goku Black arc has no real plot impact at all aside from introduction of Future Zeno who is Ultimately pointless as all he does is copy present Zeno. Remove the Goku Black arc and NOTHING of value will be lost. We could straight away go from U6 tournament to tournament of power and nothing would change. Talk about pointless. But still the best arc of Super (at least the beginning part was) and at least it tried to somewhat new things. Its just such a shame its completely pointless in the grand scheme of things. Lol what tension....
@@sammydray5919 Yes, to be fair, the cell arc had tension because the enemy was in the world we actually care about. The worst happened in the future, billions (maybe trillions) of lives erased and nobody cares. When you can skip an entire arc and the only odd difference is the presence of another zeno (which doesn't really matter), that's a problem. I liked it a lot, still. Black and Zamasu were the first time DB as a franchise tried to make a villain with some reason (I mean, they aren't really evil, like Freeza or Kid Boo). The way Black's powers increase and also his weapon, the mystery around his identity, the new concepts (even if they were poorly executed) hyped me up a lot back then. So it was pretty sad to see it all as pointless at the end. Actually it was worse than pointless. The cell's arc end was ruined. The victory Trunks tried so much to achieve in order to protect humanity was turned into the most terrible loss. I mean, the anime is so cartoonish you almost can't notice it, but the whole purpose of the arc failed, Trunks lost his world and the heroes didn't learn. Pretty similar to Freeza's DBS arc. It's use is simply to show new powers, and all characters introduced are killed and never come back. The 1 element u could say about this is that it makes Freeza in the ToP possible, but once more, it wasn't needed. I like him, but let him stay dead... how many times will we see him come back and fail?
@@sammydray5919 Also, a main point is that it doesn't make sense to create a character like Zamasu, who has actual reasons to kill humans, and never answer him properly. I mean, you don't need a talk no jutsu (it would be nice actually. If Trunks was able to convice Zamasu, he could allow him to win in a subtle way and it would allow Trunk's victory without an asspull). But they keep with "he is corrupted", without any real explanation of why he isn't actually correct.
I mean to be fair , in comparison to everything dragon ball related , even gt, super is just a bad show , I can see how someone might enjoy it , but the characters , the writing, the action or rather lack of, the animation, the art, the plot, the story telling devices, all of It is much worse than any thing else dragon ball related
@@trocoplaytv1254 Not at all, DBS is LEAUGES above DBGT. DBGT's only saving grace was SSJ4 and the Baby arc. Sure the show might've made more sense powerscaling wise, but none of that matters if the show was UTTERLY boring to watch and had terrible fights and no character development or advancement in the characters. Speaking of plot devices, I still remember when Krillin was killed off as a plot device in DBGT to set up the Shadow Dragon arc, and I also remember when Piccolo was killed off in an attempt to invoke an emotional reaction in viewers despite Piccolo playing no active role in the DBGT story. DBS is bad, but it defintiely isn't the worse in the franchise when DBGT exists, DBS Black Goku saga, Tournament of Power, and even the u6 Tournament was better. So basically everything except the movie rehashes.
@@trocoplaytv1254 I mean thats obvious. DB and DBZ actually had emotion and kept side characters relevent, but DBS doesn't have that many emotional moments and the side characters are irrelevant. Also in DBS artstyle is way worse than in DBZ and so is the soundtrack. But you can't deny that DBS is improving on many of these issues. I personally feel like the Tournament of Power and Black Goku saga had a pretty good soundtrack. I also felt like the DBS manga which will eventually be adapted to the anime is improving many of the character relevence issues and emotional moments. For example, Merus getting erased in the manga is a very emotional moment in the franchise, especially after everything he went through to teach Goku how to gain Access to Mastered Ultra Instinct. I also feel like the Moro arc in the manga improved character relevence, because even Yacmha of all people defeated someone in the Moro arc. The last time Yamcha defeated anyone was way back in the original DB, but the Moro arc made him at least somewhat useful. It was also nice getting to see the Piccolo and Gohan tag team on Moro, even if they ended up losing the fight. DBS is clearly WAY worse than DBZ and DB, but it is improving. If the rest of the arcs play out like the Moro arc, DBS can be considered a very good anime, but right now its just decent.
@@jantheking7028 nah every arc in gt was better than goku black and universe 6 tournament. Goku black was like complete fan fiction and universe 6 was just boring. I like hit's powers ssb kaioken but that's it. Goku black arc is awful, so many things that made zero sense. The manga version is better because loads of stuff are explained to why they make sense like ssj rose and mai surviving a blast from goku black. As of the anime a ton of stuff isn't explained and weird moments happened that weren't in the manga. Tournament of power is the only good arc in super but it wasn't enough to save the show for me.
yeah the more you try to make sense of the future arc , the more shit you get confused at.
32:50 You know, this proposition actually reminds me of a Xenoblade Chronicles 2 antagonist...
(SPOILERS to a 2.5-year-old game BELOW)
...Praetor Amalthus.
Despite losing his mother at a young age to criminals, he still grew up with the intent of helping others...only for his sense of hope to be fractured when a man he helped went on to kill and rob a family. He decides to climb the World Tree and find Elysium in an effort to renew his hope, but all he found were the two Aegises. After he awakened one of them, and it assumed the form of the destruction-happy Malos (because a newly-awakened Blade takes after their first Driver), Amalthus's genuine hope in the world was permanently damaged.
@Pixel Although I agree with about everything what Swagkage said - the difference with him and Mark regarding Jiren was that Swagkage used opinion while Mark used facts. Also Swag compares Jiren to everyone else in the tournament which just isn't how you analyze. It's like saying that Roshi is super shitty character because he is more forgetful than Goku. In Jiren's case it's even worse because if Toei hadn't focused on him that much maybe they could create more complelling characters than they did. Amont of focus put into Jiren (that was disappointing on it's own) in addition hurts fleshing out every other character.
React to explaining blaze release and magnet release please
21:19 It was at this...moment he knew...he fucked up.
Goku kissed chichi in dragonball z tho
forgot why I hate super..goku...hes not the goku I grew up with....kid goku teen goku adult goku and dead goku heck gt goku wasn't in love with fighting....he took a threat seriously and got better for his own reasons not to use it vs people but just for himself...he was a hero but he was also normal in fights...he earned his wins he was an underdog usually...in super hes a clown show...
I don't know what you are talking about xD, Goku was ALWAYS a clown that loved fighting to death, heck, if he didn't love fighting as much as he did, he wouldn't have known even half the cast xD, I don't know what version you watched of Dragon Ball (especially the shitty dub), but as someone who read the manga first, Goku was always an idiot... But, DBS did make his character a little dumber tho, but it got fixed in DBS: Broly...
OSAMA-KIN TMZ I am so sick of hearing people say this every time someone mentions how dumb Goku is in Super. Goku was NOT ALWAYS LIKE THAT. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who hate Super because it's not DBZ (I actually like Super), but I hate Goku in Super. Yes he has never been all that bright in any Dragon Ball media, but Super takes it to a completely different level. Goku has never been so completely selfish that he would willingly allow other universes to be destroyed just so he could have a good fight. Granted in the dub he actually shows regret for this, but in the sub he doesn't care at all.
Or how about how when he first meets Zamasu and is nagging him to fight him? He never did that in in DB or DBZ. Or how about when he first loses to Goku Black and right after he eats a Senzu bean he says "let's go back right now and fight him again". During the Cell Saga, he knew he was no match for Cell but told him that he will be ready for him after he finishes training. And when him and Vegeta save their sons and Piccolo from Super Buu, Vegeta wanted to bust out and fight Buu, but Goku told him not to because they would still lose to him
And let's not forget that Goku is the one who figured out that if Piccolo dies then so would Kami, and also how to negate the weakness a Saiyan has if someone grabs their tail, but yet in Super is stupid enough to still think that Monaka is the strongest fighter in their universe. But please, tell me more about how Goku has always been the brain-dead and selfish dumbass that he is in Super
@@milestone380 Cant believe it took me 8 months to notice this gem of a comment. I'mma copy and paste this whenever someone makes that retarded "Goku has always been dumb lol" argument
Sammy Dray feel free to do so. I’ve seen DB, DBZ, DBGT and Super and read the manga and through all of it, Goku was never my favorite character. Nothing against him, but I enjoyed the stories and the battles that took place as opposed to a specific character. Super however made me flat out despise Goku. He has never been more of a brain-dead, selfish and one-dimensional character in any other media than he is in Super. There wasn’t always much, but in other shows, Goku had some depth to him and had signs of intelligence. In Super, his character can be summed up with 2 quotes: “I hear you’re, strong. Let’s fight” and “it’ll work out”. That isn’t someone you want to root for. I actually enjoyed watching Goku getting his ass kicked
@@milestone380 Watching Goku getting his ass kicked was the reason I thoroughly enjoyed Jiren's first fight with him where he got absolutely decimated and the brief moment where he struggled against Caulifla and Kale while "exhausted" and when Base Kefla absolutely wrecked him in his God form lol. Shame since he is the main character he always bounced back and never faced any true peril or consequences. Imagine how interesting the tournament would have been if Goku and Jiren would have eliminated each other at the half way point when Goku first got Ultra Instinct (and have black haired UI be the definitive version lol). The tournament then would have at least SOME tension rather than none at all.
What I don't get is that you like Super but hate GT, when both series share so many fundamental problems, and Super adds even more problems onto those. First of all, Super has no tension, because we know everybody is gonna be fine since it takes place before the End of Z. Secondly, there are way more plot holes in Super. Thirdly, both GT and Super are not based on any original source material, and yet Super still adds tons of stupid filler? Most of the Tournament of Power is filler. Also, it takes 35 episodes to complete the tournament, even though its supposed to only be 48 minutes long? You can't even argue that they were lying about the length, like Frieza probably was when he said 5 minutes, because the Tournament is an actual event, with defined rules and a clear time limit. Fourthly, most of Dragon Ball Super is dedicated to tickling your nostalgia instead of doing anything original. Say what you can about GT, but Baby is original. You're not gonna find a villain like Baby anywhere in Dragon Ball, or even the Shadow Dragons are a unique concept. Meanwhile, Super is mostly tournament arcs, which we've had enough of in this franchise. This franchise has at least 7 tournament arcs now, and none of them are anywhere near as long as the Tournament of Power arc. Fifthly, those movie recaps have to qualify as a form of torture. Say what you want about GT, but it got right to the new stuff instead of wasting time lengthening a story that we've already seen. I don't know how anyone can like Dragon Ball Super after actually analyzing the series, because the amount of logical inconsistencies and poor writing is immense. Maybe you like watching mindless fights with no tension or story, but this isn't Death Battle, this is a story. If the story doesn't make sense, why should I care about the things happening onscreen? If I don't care about any of the characters, and they randomly get plot buffs all the time, why should I care about a villain getting stronger? Remember, Dragon Ball isn't about fighting, it's about a group of characters who really love to fight. That's the main principle of why Dragon Ball is good, and it was abandoned in Super. The story isn't about the characters anymore, it's about the fights, which is why it fails. The fights were never the best thing about the series, the characters doing the fighting was the best part. What is truly ironic is that My Hero Academia does exactly this, the fights are almost never that interesting from a choreographic point of view, but the characters and the story makes the fights seem so epic and amazing. The thing that's ironic about this, is that this means that My Hero Academia is more Dragon Ball than modern Dragon Ball is. Modern Dragon Ball is mindless fighting and pointless transformations, which is what people who haven't watched the original Dragon Ball think Dragon Ball is like.
I was a huge fan of dragon ball z, and would watch it everyday after school. It was amazing....and then GT came out and I couldn’t believe dragon ball z was continuing.....and it was awful...and it was English dub.....I was used to English dub but somehow it was bad in GT.....years and years later I have stayed away from GT because of my traumatic experience at a young age and super came out AFTER the theatrical release of battle of gods (which I witnessed dubbed) and I wasn’t completely onboard at first but eventually it brought me in.....and this was the first time I have ever watched dragon ball subbed......I feel like the way I grew up with the show is how it affects my opinion. I will always hate GT as it ruined my fave thing as a kid at school....and super introduced me to the Japanese version of the franchise
They're both trash in their own right, but I can say more good about GT than Super.
I hate the BSDB Saga is, but at least that was something original that then led into a good Saga (Baby). The first 20 something episodes of Super are movie recaps that look REALLY bad at points and frankly don't add enough to the original material to justify making them when the movies exist. And then it leads into a low stakes tournament arc whose only good points are introducing a new universe (though it's a copycat one), Vegeta mentoring Cabba, and Goku vs. Hit (or at least the Kaioken part).
Just in general, GT has some great concepts that just aren't executed that well whereas Super has very little in the way of good concepts, which they screw up as well.
Also, ya know, SSJ4 is a cooler, better-designed, more fleshed-out form than any form that came out of Super. Base Goku with Red Hair dye and a one-off energy null move. SSJ with blue hair dye that has solid enough Ki Control to let Goku use Kaioken, which doesn't really make sense as to why he couldn't do it with SSJ when Goku's had great Ki Control since Namek and trained to master SSJ to the point of it not warping his personality and negligibly draining his energy/stamina. SSJ with PINK hair dye and no real explanation as to what its abilities are and how the heck it exists in the first place. Asspull angry SSJ Trunks with no pupils and double aura. Base Goku with a dank silver aura and silver hair when mastered that lets him autododge except when it doesn't. Also the ones that Goku has get no noteworthy W's.
I loved the arc too. At least it had tension and Goku Black was awesome. Zamasu's english dub character is much more tolerable than the sub also.
Wait what tension??
@@sammydray5919 The fact that Future Trunks' world could get wiped out which it eventually did. It was just so much more serious than the other arcs.
@@MrAnimason Since when does an alternate timeline's happening ever have any real impact??? Hell a whole timeline was erased and how did it Goku and gang took it?? They were celebrating Black's end, said goodbye to poor trunks and sent him off to another timeline and then carried on with their daily lives until the tournament happened. The "tension" in this arc doesn't matter one bit as there are no consequences for the main characters.
Fuck the Goku Black arc has no real plot impact at all aside from introduction of Future Zeno who is Ultimately pointless as all he does is copy present Zeno. Remove the Goku Black arc and NOTHING of value will be lost. We could straight away go from U6 tournament to tournament of power and nothing would change.
Talk about pointless. But still the best arc of Super (at least the beginning part was) and at least it tried to somewhat new things. Its just such a shame its completely pointless in the grand scheme of things.
Lol what tension....
@@sammydray5919 Yes, to be fair, the cell arc had tension because the enemy was in the world we actually care about. The worst happened in the future, billions (maybe trillions) of lives erased and nobody cares. When you can skip an entire arc and the only odd difference is the presence of another zeno (which doesn't really matter), that's a problem.
I liked it a lot, still. Black and Zamasu were the first time DB as a franchise tried to make a villain with some reason (I mean, they aren't really evil, like Freeza or Kid Boo). The way Black's powers increase and also his weapon, the mystery around his identity, the new concepts (even if they were poorly executed) hyped me up a lot back then.
So it was pretty sad to see it all as pointless at the end. Actually it was worse than pointless. The cell's arc end was ruined. The victory Trunks tried so much to achieve in order to protect humanity was turned into the most terrible loss. I mean, the anime is so cartoonish you almost can't notice it, but the whole purpose of the arc failed, Trunks lost his world and the heroes didn't learn.
Pretty similar to Freeza's DBS arc. It's use is simply to show new powers, and all characters introduced are killed and never come back. The 1 element u could say about this is that it makes Freeza in the ToP possible, but once more, it wasn't needed. I like him, but let him stay dead... how many times will we see him come back and fail?
@@sammydray5919 Also, a main point is that it doesn't make sense to create a character like Zamasu, who has actual reasons to kill humans, and never answer him properly. I mean, you don't need a talk no jutsu (it would be nice actually. If Trunks was able to convice Zamasu, he could allow him to win in a subtle way and it would allow Trunk's victory without an asspull). But they keep with "he is corrupted", without any real explanation of why he isn't actually correct.
in my opinion he is over exaggerating the faults of the goku black arc and TOP but this is a good view from someone who isnt the type to like super
I mean to be fair , in comparison to everything dragon ball related , even gt, super is just a bad show , I can see how someone might enjoy it , but the characters , the writing, the action or rather lack of, the animation, the art, the plot, the story telling devices, all of It is much worse than any thing else dragon ball related
@@trocoplaytv1254 Not at all, DBS is LEAUGES above DBGT. DBGT's only saving grace was SSJ4 and the Baby arc. Sure the show might've made more sense powerscaling wise, but none of that matters if the show was UTTERLY boring to watch and had terrible fights and no character development or advancement in the characters. Speaking of plot devices, I still remember when Krillin was killed off as a plot device in DBGT to set up the Shadow Dragon arc, and I also remember when Piccolo was killed off in an attempt to invoke an emotional reaction in viewers despite Piccolo playing no active role in the DBGT story. DBS is bad, but it defintiely isn't the worse in the franchise when DBGT exists, DBS Black Goku saga, Tournament of Power, and even the u6 Tournament was better. So basically everything except the movie rehashes.
@@jantheking7028 sure I mean I'm okay with that opinion , but to think super is better than dragon ball or z is crazy
@@trocoplaytv1254 I mean thats obvious. DB and DBZ actually had emotion and kept side characters relevent, but DBS doesn't have that many emotional moments and the side characters are irrelevant. Also in DBS artstyle is way worse than in DBZ and so is the soundtrack. But you can't deny that DBS is improving on many of these issues. I personally feel like the Tournament of Power and Black Goku saga had a pretty good soundtrack. I also felt like the DBS manga which will eventually be adapted to the anime is improving many of the character relevence issues and emotional moments. For example, Merus getting erased in the manga is a very emotional moment in the franchise, especially after everything he went through to teach Goku how to gain Access to Mastered Ultra Instinct. I also feel like the Moro arc in the manga improved character relevence, because even Yacmha of all people defeated someone in the Moro arc. The last time Yamcha defeated anyone was way back in the original DB, but the Moro arc made him at least somewhat useful. It was also nice getting to see the Piccolo and Gohan tag team on Moro, even if they ended up losing the fight. DBS is clearly WAY worse than DBZ and DB, but it is improving. If the rest of the arcs play out like the Moro arc, DBS can be considered a very good anime, but right now its just decent.
@@jantheking7028 nah every arc in gt was better than goku black and universe 6 tournament. Goku black was like complete fan fiction and universe 6 was just boring. I like hit's powers ssb kaioken but that's it. Goku black arc is awful, so many things that made zero sense. The manga version is better because loads of stuff are explained to why they make sense like ssj rose and mai surviving a blast from goku black. As of the anime a ton of stuff isn't explained and weird moments happened that weren't in the manga. Tournament of power is the only good arc in super but it wasn't enough to save the show for me.
Golden is more like Freiza’s take/version of a Super Saiyan rather the buff/100% state
The point was that it worked exactly the same way as his buff form. It even had the same weaknesses as that form.
Is your face red because your brain is fried (like my self) or are you just like that ? :D