One of the greatly fun things about MTG is the creature types. You might have effects like here where a creature type is replaced. Then there is stuff where creature types are added: Welcome to the Angel Zombie! And then there are changelings, which are Angel Zombie Frog Squirrel among others...
Great video Dave! Extremely well explained and navigated. This video had me thinking of a possible video topic you might want to cover: explaining the interaction between a clone copying your opponent's The Scarab God, and then having that clone die and then having it return to your opponents hand from the graveyard.
Why would it return to your opponent's hand if it's your Clone? Outside un-games, cards can only be in their owner's hand. Even for non-cards it's quite exceptional, requiring something like Reversal of Fortune. Unless you mean the opponent plays the Clone, and then legend rules it to the graveyard only to return it to hand after, which is a bit pointless but definitely possible.
@Tharkon That scenario happened on Arena while playing brawl, and to this day I can't understand why it happened that way, because of exactly what you said. It's been so long now, and I wish I knew the specifics better, but my opponent used my clone to copy their Scarab God, which I later destroyed, and then the death trigger of Scarab God went off and put MY clone in my OPPONENT'S hand. I mentioned this to other judges and players, and the consensus was that Arena messed up.
Are you sure it was your Clone? Arena has some weird mechanics where you can create a copy of a card but the copy is actually a card as well. And they would own the duplicate. Or maybe it messed up, not a big surprise either.
Great video as always! I have a request for a future video: What happens if a player has Krark, the Thumbless on the field and they cast Faithless Looting from the graveyard for its flashback cost? My pod and I had to figure out where the spell goes if Krark fails the flip, I think we got it right but would love a further dive into how the rules work!
It goes into exile because of the replacement effect that is part of casting it for flashback cost. 702.34a: Flashback appears on some instants and sorceries. It represents two static abilities: one that functions while the card is in a player's graveyard and another that functions while the card is on the stack. "Flashback [cost]" means "You may cast this card from your graveyard if the resulting spell is an instant or sorcery spell by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "If the flashback cost was paid, exile this card instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack." [...]
Hi Dave! Hope I'm not annoying you too much. I have a real question. Sadly we had no judge to ask right away. Nick controls a treasure token. Amy casts Primal command choosing 2nd option targeting Nicks token and 4th option. In response Nick sacrifices his token. What happens? My theory: Actions (abilities?) are taken in the order they are printed on Primal command AND they are completely independent. So first one has no effect but second resolves normally. OR, since the whole process is a single ability and it has no valid target for the first part... nothing at all happens?!
Spells and abilities that have a single target are removed from the stack without doing anything if that target is not legal when it would try to resolve. If instead you choose any other mode of Primal Command, the spell would have multiple targets, and as long as at least one of them is legal upon resolution, the spell will do as much as it can.
Can you have three commanders if you have a commander with choose a background, Faceless One (background with choose a background), and then another background? I know this technically isn’t a real rules question but I don’t know where else to ask.
The fully updated CR isn't out yet, but WotC have released a little article about some of the CR changes and additions that will happen with this new set. CR 702.124h will be the rule talking about Backgrounds and they stated that it means, "you may designate two cards as your commander as long one of them is this card and the other is a legendary Background enchantment." Since it specifically says that you can have two cards as your Commander and it doesn't state that you may have an additional if that additional is a Background, then it doesn't seem to allow for that.
So if Dave were to flash in a Humility (with his Vedalken Orrery) during Amy's start of combat phase, after the token has been created, would it lose haste because humility has a later timestamp?
Yes. (Also, it's start of combat step, not phase. The distinction probably doesn't matter much anymore with the removal of mana burn in 2010 but it's there.)
Here's a really cool question that popped up in my groups today, astral dragon enters the battlefield, and chooses animate dead as the target for its effect, what happens? We ended up agreeing that literally nothing happens at all
At a basic level, the same thing happens if you use Astral Dragon to copy any Aura: the tokens enter the battlefield with the type line "Enchantment Creature - Aura Dragon", aren't allowed to enchant anything because they're creatures (303.4d), then die when state-based actions are checked because they still have the Aura subtype (704.5m). They don't exist long enough for spells or activated abilities to interact with them, but triggered abilities will see them enter and leave the battlefield. If the Aura you copied is an Animate Dead, the triggered ability goes on the stack (the intervening if clause "if it's on the battlefield" was satisfied when the triggering event occurred) but does nothing on resolution because the token has already died.
@@ShinkuDragonNo. 303.4i applies “If an effect attempts to put an Aura onto the battlefield attached to an object or player it can't legally enchant”. The copy effect isn’t trying to specify an object for the tokens to be attached to, so 303.4i doesn’t apply.
@@bfrobin446 but it is trying to put an aura on the field, the aura -has- to enter attached to something. And these auras can't attach to anything. An aura can't enter the battlefield unattached to anything. Edit: this is also the consensus we got at the judgechat site
@@ShinkuDragon None of which has anything to do with 303.4i. Since an Aura is entering the battlefield without being cast, 303.4f requires the controlling player to choose "a legal object or player according to the Aura's enchant ability and any other applicable effects." If no legal choice can be made, it goes straight to the graveyard under 303.4g. What you're saying is that "other applicable effects" in 303.4f includes the rule that a creature can't be attached to another object.
Both type-changing effects apply in layer 4. If they're both controlled by the same player, Celestial Dawn wants to remove Urborg's static ability by turning it into a Plains (305.7). That makes Urborg's ability dependent on Celestial Dawn's ability (613.8a), so Celestial Dawn applies first and Urborg has no effect. (It's the same as the interaction with Magus of the Moon that's mentioned in Urborg's last Gatherer ruling.) If they're controlled by different players, there's no dependency (player A's Celestial Dawn isn't trying to change the type of player B's Urborg), so the effects apply to player A's lands in timestamp order. Player A's lands will be Plains Swamps if Urborg has the most recent timestamp, and Plains if Celestial Dawn has the most recent timestamp.
From ntg wiki: If a card loses devoid, it will still be colorless. This is because effects that change an object's color (like the one created by devoid) are considered before the object loses devoid.
Humility removes all abilities in layer 6, which is after Devoid applies in layer 5. So the creature is still colorless. This is the same reason why Humility/Dress Down do not stop Changeling or Magus of the Moon (which apply in layer 4).
And this is also why you'll never see a card give something devoid or changeling. It wouldn't do anything, because by the time it would gain devoid or changeling the window in which devoid or changeling could apply has already passed.
One of the greatly fun things about MTG is the creature types. You might have effects like here where a creature type is replaced. Then there is stuff where creature types are added: Welcome to the Angel Zombie! And then there are changelings, which are Angel Zombie Frog Squirrel among others...
Thought it was going to be different from what i thought since it was a 4 star question.
Am happy that i wasn't wrong after all!
Great video Dave! Extremely well explained and navigated.
This video had me thinking of a possible video topic you might want to cover: explaining the interaction between a clone copying your opponent's The Scarab God, and then having that clone die and then having it return to your opponents hand from the graveyard.
Why would it return to your opponent's hand if it's your Clone? Outside un-games, cards can only be in their owner's hand. Even for non-cards it's quite exceptional, requiring something like Reversal of Fortune.
Unless you mean the opponent plays the Clone, and then legend rules it to the graveyard only to return it to hand after, which is a bit pointless but definitely possible.
@Tharkon That scenario happened on Arena while playing brawl, and to this day I can't understand why it happened that way, because of exactly what you said. It's been so long now, and I wish I knew the specifics better, but my opponent used my clone to copy their Scarab God, which I later destroyed, and then the death trigger of Scarab God went off and put MY clone in my OPPONENT'S hand. I mentioned this to other judges and players, and the consensus was that Arena messed up.
Are you sure it was your Clone? Arena has some weird mechanics where you can create a copy of a card but the copy is actually a card as well. And they would own the duplicate. Or maybe it messed up, not a big surprise either.
Got this right the first try, feel pretty good about that.
I liked the metaphor of an actual copier.
Great video as always!
I have a request for a future video: What happens if a player has Krark, the Thumbless on the field and they cast Faithless Looting from the graveyard for its flashback cost? My pod and I had to figure out where the spell goes if Krark fails the flip, I think we got it right but would love a further dive into how the rules work!
It goes into exile because of the replacement effect that is part of casting it for flashback cost.
702.34a: Flashback appears on some instants and sorceries. It represents two static abilities: one that functions while the card is in a player's graveyard and another that functions while the card is on the stack. "Flashback [cost]" means "You may cast this card from your graveyard if the resulting spell is an instant or sorcery spell by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "If the flashback cost was paid, exile this card instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack." [...]
I don't run humility in any deck anymore due to arguing with friends about when things happen. It's just easier to avoid the card entirely.
its kinda a dumb card anyway
The only good thing with Humility is the artwork, so the card is best suited in the binder to display!
Hey those are pretty good and i like your channel a lot ! You got yourself a new subscriber!
Hi Dave! Hope I'm not annoying you too much. I have a real question. Sadly we had no judge to ask right away. Nick controls a treasure token. Amy casts Primal command choosing 2nd option targeting Nicks token and 4th option. In response Nick sacrifices his token. What happens? My theory: Actions (abilities?) are taken in the order they are printed on Primal command AND they are completely independent. So first one has no effect but second resolves normally. OR, since the whole process is a single ability and it has no valid target for the first part... nothing at all happens?!
Spells and abilities that have a single target are removed from the stack without doing anything if that target is not legal when it would try to resolve.
If instead you choose any other mode of Primal Command, the spell would have multiple targets, and as long as at least one of them is legal upon resolution, the spell will do as much as it can.
What david said, you can look up rulings for cryptic command which detail this.
@@Dalenthas thanks, got it.
Can you have three commanders if you have a commander with choose a background, Faceless One (background with choose a background), and then another background? I know this technically isn’t a real rules question but I don’t know where else to ask.
The fully updated CR isn't out yet, but WotC have released a little article about some of the CR changes and additions that will happen with this new set. CR 702.124h will be the rule talking about Backgrounds and they stated that it means, "you may designate two cards as your commander as long one of them is this card and the other is a legendary Background enchantment." Since it specifically says that you can have two cards as your Commander and it doesn't state that you may have an additional if that additional is a Background, then it doesn't seem to allow for that.
@@ThisIsACommanderChannel Thanks, that makes sense. I figured that’s how they intended it.
So if Dave were to flash in a Humility (with his Vedalken Orrery) during Amy's start of combat phase, after the token has been created, would it lose haste because humility has a later timestamp?
Yes. (Also, it's start of combat step, not phase. The distinction probably doesn't matter much anymore with the removal of mana burn in 2010 but it's there.)
Here's a really cool question that popped up in my groups today, astral dragon enters the battlefield, and chooses animate dead as the target for its effect, what happens?
We ended up agreeing that literally nothing happens at all
At a basic level, the same thing happens if you use Astral Dragon to copy any Aura: the tokens enter the battlefield with the type line "Enchantment Creature - Aura Dragon", aren't allowed to enchant anything because they're creatures (303.4d), then die when state-based actions are checked because they still have the Aura subtype (704.5m). They don't exist long enough for spells or activated abilities to interact with them, but triggered abilities will see them enter and leave the battlefield.
If the Aura you copied is an Animate Dead, the triggered ability goes on the stack (the intervening if clause "if it's on the battlefield" was satisfied when the triggering event occurred) but does nothing on resolution because the token has already died.
@@bfrobin446 the tokens would actually not even be created, because of 303.4i, hence why i said that nothing happens
@@ShinkuDragonNo. 303.4i applies “If an effect attempts to put an Aura onto the battlefield attached to an object or player it can't legally enchant”. The copy effect isn’t trying to specify an object for the tokens to be attached to, so 303.4i doesn’t apply.
@@bfrobin446 but it is trying to put an aura on the field, the aura -has- to enter attached to something. And these auras can't attach to anything. An aura can't enter the battlefield unattached to anything.
Edit: this is also the consensus we got at the judgechat site
@@ShinkuDragon None of which has anything to do with 303.4i. Since an Aura is entering the battlefield without being cast, 303.4f requires the controlling player to choose "a legal object or player according to the Aura's enchant ability and any other applicable effects." If no legal choice can be made, it goes straight to the graveyard under 303.4g.
What you're saying is that "other applicable effects" in 303.4f includes the rule that a creature can't be attached to another object.
I've got a rules question for you... Does Celestial Dawn and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth have any interaction whatsoever?
Both type-changing effects apply in layer 4. If they're both controlled by the same player, Celestial Dawn wants to remove Urborg's static ability by turning it into a Plains (305.7). That makes Urborg's ability dependent on Celestial Dawn's ability (613.8a), so Celestial Dawn applies first and Urborg has no effect. (It's the same as the interaction with Magus of the Moon that's mentioned in Urborg's last Gatherer ruling.)
If they're controlled by different players, there's no dependency (player A's Celestial Dawn isn't trying to change the type of player B's Urborg), so the effects apply to player A's lands in timestamp order. Player A's lands will be Plains Swamps if Urborg has the most recent timestamp, and Plains if Celestial Dawn has the most recent timestamp.
How does humility interact with devoid? Does it give devoid creatures their color back?
From ntg wiki: If a card loses devoid, it will still be colorless. This is because effects that change an object's color (like the one created by devoid) are considered before the object loses devoid.
Humility removes all abilities in layer 6, which is after Devoid applies in layer 5. So the creature is still colorless. This is the same reason why Humility/Dress Down do not stop Changeling or Magus of the Moon (which apply in layer 4).
And this is also why you'll never see a card give something devoid or changeling. It wouldn't do anything, because by the time it would gain devoid or changeling the window in which devoid or changeling could apply has already passed.
I got mislead into thinking there was a dependency :/ Kinda subtle difference.
lol the flying men pop up