Current rates: 1 Petroleum Gen = 4 Ethanol = 6 Arbor Tree Gonna need to Vacuum Seal (cheaper alternative unless you have ceramic or equivalent insulator) the walls though to avoid heat from leaking (1 entrance maybe or automate everything)
This does not work anymore. Not only were the lumber requirements increased, but the water byproduct was decreased. It's not worth the hassle to try to sustain off of this.
It still works, but requires some tweaks. It doesnt need phophorite anymore which is a huge plus (no drecko ranch required for loop). Just P.Water and dirt maybe? The Petrol Genny can feed more than one tree, so it is sustainable (or you can just use wild trees in a pip ranch). If you choose to clean the water you can use electrolyzers or oxyferns (for small colonies). If you dont clean the water it just goes into as many trees or other plants as you want. Pips eat some of the trees giving you dirt, the polluted dirt from the distiller can be used for more dirt or, if you have excess, can be fed to pokeshells for sand, lime, eggs, meat.
@@ashurroth6585 8 trees > 4 Distillers > 1 Gen should only cost you 183.28 g/s of Polluted O2. You could likely make that up from bathroom overflow. All that is assuming the numbers on the wiki are correct.
Something to add; the polluted dirt can off gas and either be cleaned or breathed, coupled with the excess PW, this loop can produce more breathable oxygen per kg of liquid then electrolyzers by FAR.
lumber needs increased, polluted water byproduct decreased. Now, you either need either 36 trees to run this or over two tons of polluted water a cycle to sustain just off of this.
I tried burning super-heated ethanol with 1kg packets it worked but it caused some ethanol steam to appear. Not sure if that is the intended result from doing that or not, or if I still got the full power output value of the ethanol. I saw a bug report saying that the condensed ethanol on the ground may actually be greater or equal in volume to the input ethanol. My guess is that there are still some ethanol burning issues in regards to using the petroleum generator.
Definitely. Ethanol has a specific heat capacity of 2460 DTU/kg/C, and if I recall correctly, a distiller produces 2500 DTU/s of heat and ~1/2 kg/s of ethanol at a temperature of 10 C. So just having the ethanol circulate through the distillery room and absorb enough heat to go up 2 C is enough to keep that room cool. This might change in the future, particularly if they change the output temperature of the distiller (I would not be surprised to see it output at 40 C in the next patch), but for now, the easiest solution to keeping the distillers cool is to just have the ethanol run through a radiant liquid pipe through the room before it heads down to the petroleum generator.
As far as I can tell, every asteroid type has caustic biomes as one of the available types, so you should get about as many of the big phosphorite veins as before. Some asteroids though will be devoid of animal life, and so you'll need to send a rocket to fetch dreckos, which are the renewable source of phosphorite.
The numbers have changed-- it's still free resources if you use wild trees, and still water positive if you use domesticated trees + slicksters, but the process is slightly water negative now if you are using domesticated trees.
In order to use that efficiently in some ways you would need a ton of sand, for converting p oxygen to c oxygen, cleaning water etc, also, how to get more sand? I have none left on the asteroid that's minable.
@@johnwept5250 but i dont have sand. and that distiller he keeps talking about is the icon for the Algae Distiller. I don't want to convert slime to algae.
It can be, though I think the main reason I want to ranch the crabs is for their shells. Right now, lime is the major bottleneck for steel production-- with these new crabs, we can break down the shells that they molt into lime and produce a lot more steel than we used to. But the sand production is nice too, provides us an easy way to keep our glass forges, water sieves, and deodorizers going without having to breach the asteroid surface.
I'm waiting until they finalize the ethanol refinery to figure out a specific build, but in the meantime both steam turbines and ice machines are pretty solid answers: th-cam.com/video/UBr_wMD2w7k/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/GadWm4dS-kM/w-d-xo.html
Carbon is not a problem cause late game your going to do this! Meanwhile that means the whole time up to that point your slitting your throat getting involved in it early. Phospate is not common, you will have to ranch dreks to get it, meaning your not doing it without a drek farm so much for infinite scaling. I have built and played with that system and I'll tell you that the part they don't really warn you about is just how much Carbon your going to be producing and just how much heat you make. That means you need 2 more systems in place to deal with it....Next, the main reason to build the generator is to produce power but your power is going to go into dealing with the waste products particularly carbon and also heat. You wont really come out ahead until each thing is properly dealt with and you guys sell this thing like its super powerful when its not and its potentially dangerous until all its components are properly put into place.A full half of your power production is going to producing fuel...That leaves you with just a little over 1K power to work with and you'd be surprised just how fast that goes bye bye if your investing it into enough carbon skimmers to deal with the Carbon, which Im kinda thinking may as well pack into a tank...But that means your just putting off an issue.
I start with a good digging dupe and rush caustic biome for algae, phosphorous and coal. I let bathroom output go to hydro plot trees, generally about 3-4, so the logs are building up and I don't have to bother with digging up every tree (wild trees take a while to regrow). You are correct in that it is not quite as simple upfront as some are playing it off to be. What I would like to see is an early-ish mid game, 2 stage aquatuner setup (1 for chilling Pwater to almost freezing, 1 for ethanol to go colder than that) that are built with aluminum.
True, I kinda stumbled over my words, what I was trying to say is that with a renewable, scalable supply of water and CO2, we can make as much liquid oxygen, liquid hydrogen, and petroleum as we want.
@@gearheadgaming1 Ah. I never had problems with water anyway unless the map was an unlucky roll. I keep getting an absurdly annoying amount of cool steam vents. My most recent base had a steam vent and water geyser RIGHT on my base. They got in the way of exploration and later development. found 3 more after that.
@@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s I just had a game with a Steam vent by the start that was open and a Volcano that was just above it... I died from heat before I could get the base setup :/
@@nehpets216 That's a big oof. As a veteran, I'd say next time go right into insulation research if you can, and if not, plug that volcano as fast as possible with many blocks. It's really tricky because you need digging skills for Obsidian or tech for something else that won't melt into magma
True, but this one will be harder to nerf, since if you wanted to, you could have all of your trees grow wild using the new seed mechanics. They'd need to create a new Ethanol Generator with its own non-water byproducts if they really want to stop you from having free water.
They attacked pretty much every aspect of how the natural gas gens operated and some of the various ways to produce natural gas. I'm not saying i'd look forward to it but I won't put anything past them.
your videos are pretty cool, and you definitely got a new sub, but there's one thing i have to complain: please put the videos in 1080p, for pepole (like me) who watch video with a screen that is over 1080p resolution, 720p upscaled is a pain.
A little late to the party but this video was made back when the ethanol distiller looked like the slime distiller. I'm pretty sure this doesn't work anymore due to some number tweaking but you can still feed the water into the arbor trees so you have to give it less polluted water in total.
@@vincenzo3574 yes clearly this game has nothing to do with physics and is totally not trying to be as accurate as a game can be while still remaining enjoyable to play. It also totally does not promote the careful use of resources and transforming them into other resources on the principles of real life physics to sustain a colony. That's obviously not the point of the game and having a way to generate unlimited resources with a handful of early game buildings would totally not break the game, I completely agree with you.
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Current rates:
1 Petroleum Gen = 4 Ethanol = 6 Arbor Tree
Gonna need to Vacuum Seal (cheaper alternative unless you have ceramic or equivalent insulator) the walls though to avoid heat from leaking (1 entrance maybe or automate everything)
This does not work anymore. Not only were the lumber requirements increased, but the water byproduct was decreased. It's not worth the hassle to try to sustain off of this.
It still works, but requires some tweaks. It doesnt need phophorite anymore which is a huge plus (no drecko ranch required for loop). Just P.Water and dirt maybe? The Petrol Genny can feed more than one tree, so it is sustainable (or you can just use wild trees in a pip ranch). If you choose to clean the water you can use electrolyzers or oxyferns (for small colonies). If you dont clean the water it just goes into as many trees or other plants as you want. Pips eat some of the trees giving you dirt, the polluted dirt from the distiller can be used for more dirt or, if you have excess, can be fed to pokeshells for sand, lime, eggs, meat.
@@ashurroth6585 8 trees > 4 Distillers > 1 Gen should only cost you 183.28 g/s of Polluted O2. You could likely make that up from bathroom overflow. All that is assuming the numbers on the wiki are correct.
@@Moriibund419 Found a cold slush geyser this petty much is powering my whole base and plus the the gens dont nid to keep running that often now
Something to add; the polluted dirt can off gas and either be cleaned or breathed, coupled with the excess PW, this loop can produce more breathable oxygen per kg of liquid then electrolyzers by FAR.
is this still good kind sir?
Cheers for doing the maths for us, saves my reptile brain trying to do it ahah
Harr32xis so you admit being a reptilian. I was looking everywhere for you
THINK this was nerfed , needs a revisit / recalculation. (know lumber needs are up to 1k now, as of 7/26/19)
lumber needs increased, polluted water byproduct decreased. Now, you either need either 36 trees to run this or over two tons of polluted water a cycle to sustain just off of this.
Dude love your description really simple and clear.
Definitely going to give that a try on my base
I tried burning super-heated ethanol with 1kg packets it worked but it caused some ethanol steam to appear. Not sure if that is the intended result from doing that or not, or if I still got the full power output value of the ethanol.
I saw a bug report saying that the condensed ethanol on the ground may actually be greater or equal in volume to the input ethanol. My guess is that there are still some ethanol burning issues in regards to using the petroleum generator.
Interesting, I'll have to play around with this. Good find!
i cant find arbor tree on map man .... without seed i cant make it, any help ?
TovarishPingu true
I only got 1 seed in the care package
Any ideas on getting more from that one tree ???
Aj Gaming you need some pips. Plant the tree on natural soil and place the pips near the tree. They will do seed production.
@@ArseniiB I have pips but all I have is only one seed
Aj Gaming plant the seed onto a farm or hydroponics tile
Couldn‘t the destillery cool itself with the very low emmiting temp of the ethanol?
Definitely. Ethanol has a specific heat capacity of 2460 DTU/kg/C, and if I recall correctly, a distiller produces 2500 DTU/s of heat and ~1/2 kg/s of ethanol at a temperature of 10 C. So just having the ethanol circulate through the distillery room and absorb enough heat to go up 2 C is enough to keep that room cool.
This might change in the future, particularly if they change the output temperature of the distiller (I would not be surprised to see it output at 40 C in the next patch), but for now, the easiest solution to keeping the distillers cool is to just have the ethanol run through a radiant liquid pipe through the room before it heads down to the petroleum generator.
Update: They changed the output temperature of the ethanol to 75 C today.
@@gearheadgaming1 oof
Can someone who actually understands ONI tell me if this still works?
No. Will need a large amount of polluted water and trees need dirt instead of phosporite. Wild planting is better
does the new map generation create more maps that don't have as much or any phosphorite that would break this build?
As far as I can tell, every asteroid type has caustic biomes as one of the available types, so you should get about as many of the big phosphorite veins as before. Some asteroids though will be devoid of animal life, and so you'll need to send a rocket to fetch dreckos, which are the renewable source of phosphorite.
Terra doesn't start you in a forest biome for the trees.
Thanks! Amazing. But.. did this change? it's a bit old now
The numbers have changed-- it's still free resources if you use wild trees, and still water positive if you use domesticated trees + slicksters, but the process is slightly water negative now if you are using domesticated trees.
@@gearheadgaming1 Cool guys use wild tree farms anyway. It's free real-estate.
In order to use that efficiently in some ways you would need a ton of sand, for converting p oxygen to c oxygen, cleaning water etc, also, how to get more sand? I have none left on the asteroid that's minable.
You can use pokeshells to convert polluted dirt to sand. Or you can crush granite or sandstone to sand by the rock crusher. God bless!
@@johnwept5250 but i dont have sand. and that distiller he keeps talking about is the icon for the Algae Distiller. I don't want to convert slime to algae.
@@johnwept5250 use regolith which is renewable from the surface
@@Brenryz This video was made back when the icon for the ethanol distiller had the same sprite as the algae distiller.
Hey can the Poke Crab be used with Water Sieve? You can Polluted Dirt Sand
It can be, though I think the main reason I want to ranch the crabs is for their shells. Right now, lime is the major bottleneck for steel production-- with these new crabs, we can break down the shells that they molt into lime and produce a lot more steel than we used to. But the sand production is nice too, provides us an easy way to keep our glass forges, water sieves, and deodorizers going without having to breach the asteroid surface.
Dude thank you so much for this
Those are for making slime into algae, not ethanol. But 3 ethanol distillers fit in the same spot and it works just fine
This video was made before they updated the artwork for the ethanol distiller. Before they did that, they used the algae distiller as a placeholder.
@@gearheadgaming1 I see =) if you just supplant the 4 algae distillers for 3 ethanol ones they fit perfectly and the system runs smoothly
Good stuff, but the distillers are now much bigger. Still going to try it.
nice demonstraton! but i'm pretty sure that this will be nerfed, it makes all the other tools to require those resources absolete
how do you cool down the room?
I'm waiting until they finalize the ethanol refinery to figure out a specific build, but in the meantime both steam turbines and ice machines are pretty solid answers:
th-cam.com/video/UBr_wMD2w7k/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/GadWm4dS-kM/w-d-xo.html
if only we could get infinite phosphorite with a system like that
Dreckos are a renewable source of phosphorite.
@@gearheadgaming1 i did not know, thank you
@@diamondjub2318 balm Lily (drecko food) don't require anything but a clorine atmosfere
i guess if you have trees you'll be a bit OP with this.
Check today's patch notes. They changed some things about this loop.
does that mean it doesn't work anymore? i was just starting this today lol
Carbon is not a problem cause late game your going to do this! Meanwhile that means the whole time up to that point your slitting your throat getting involved in it early. Phospate is not common, you will have to ranch dreks to get it, meaning your not doing it without a drek farm so much for infinite scaling. I have built and played with that system and I'll tell you that the part they don't really warn you about is just how much Carbon your going to be producing and just how much heat you make. That means you need 2 more systems in place to deal with it....Next, the main reason to build the generator is to produce power but your power is going to go into dealing with the waste products particularly carbon and also heat. You wont really come out ahead until each thing is properly dealt with and you guys sell this thing like its super powerful when its not and its potentially dangerous until all its components are properly put into place.A full half of your power production is going to producing fuel...That leaves you with just a little over 1K power to work with and you'd be surprised just how fast that goes bye bye if your investing it into enough carbon skimmers to deal with the Carbon, which Im kinda thinking may as well pack into a tank...But that means your just putting off an issue.
I start with a good digging dupe and rush caustic biome for algae, phosphorous and coal. I let bathroom output go to hydro plot trees, generally about 3-4, so the logs are building up and I don't have to bother with digging up every tree (wild trees take a while to regrow). You are correct in that it is not quite as simple upfront as some are playing it off to be. What I would like to see is an early-ish mid game, 2 stage aquatuner setup (1 for chilling Pwater to almost freezing, 1 for ethanol to go colder than that) that are built with aluminum.
I love this. But, I don't think rockets can use ethanol as of now.
True, I kinda stumbled over my words, what I was trying to say is that with a renewable, scalable supply of water and CO2, we can make as much liquid oxygen, liquid hydrogen, and petroleum as we want.
@@gearheadgaming1 Ah. I never had problems with water anyway unless the map was an unlucky roll. I keep getting an absurdly annoying amount of cool steam vents. My most recent base had a steam vent and water geyser RIGHT on my base. They got in the way of exploration and later development. found 3 more after that.
@@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s I just had a game with a Steam vent by the start that was open and a Volcano that was just above it...
I died from heat before I could get the base setup :/
@@nehpets216 That's a big oof.
As a veteran, I'd say next time go right into insulation research if you can, and if not, plug that volcano as fast as possible with many blocks. It's really tricky because you need digging skills for Obsidian or tech for something else that won't melt into magma
@@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s I'll try that next time, this new game is going well :)
Nice, will use!
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I can’t believe they missed the massive opportunity to make methanol from lumber and ethanol from some food product :////
Sounds too good to last. The natural gas cycle took a lot of work and they had to nerf it several times.
True, but this one will be harder to nerf, since if you wanted to, you could have all of your trees grow wild using the new seed mechanics. They'd need to create a new Ethanol Generator with its own non-water byproducts if they really want to stop you from having free water.
They attacked pretty much every aspect of how the natural gas gens operated and some of the various ways to produce natural gas. I'm not saying i'd look forward to it but I won't put anything past them.
your videos are pretty cool, and you definitely got a new sub, but there's one thing i have to complain: please put the videos in 1080p, for pepole (like me) who watch video with a screen that is over 1080p resolution, 720p upscaled is a pain.
Yeah, should be no problem, I'll change my recording settings.
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WOW never been so early
but thats the icon for the green Algae Distiller .
perhaps you should just delete this video since it's providing incorrect information.
nah it's click bait material now
A little late to the party but this video was made back when the ethanol distiller looked like the slime distiller. I'm pretty sure this doesn't work anymore due to some number tweaking but you can still feed the water into the arbor trees so you have to give it less polluted water in total.
Patched out
Great video next time zoom in though
I got the exact 10000th view
i hate math but this game made use calculator alot
Hello 🙃
Ehhh...
Conservation of energy? Conservation of mass? What are these weird concepts? totally unnecessary 🙃
It's a game, not a physics simulator
@@vincenzo3574 yes clearly this game has nothing to do with physics and is totally not trying to be as accurate as a game can be while still remaining enjoyable to play.
It also totally does not promote the careful use of resources and transforming them into other resources on the principles of real life physics to sustain a colony. That's obviously not the point of the game and having a way to generate unlimited resources with a handful of early game buildings would totally not break the game, I completely agree with you.
This glass is fine but the distillery has already changed. Macho is man, hembra is woman...
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