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BaileyPoints I really wish they had an honour system(like infamous) and that would effect what jin says and does in cutscenes so the ending would change according to honour level
Wait, are you implying you have accurate information about why Ujimasa Yarikawa sent an assassin on Lord Shimura during his bear hunt with Jin Sakai as a child?
Im kinda disappointed that they didn't lean heavier into the karma choices. Even like a neat semi secret story you get if you do things as honourably as possible. I tried to be as honourable as I could and then when I got to the end and found out it didn't make a difference I was kinda disappointed. It does make me wanna go back through the game and jusy go ham though.
It was surprising to see that there was no secret karma ending, seeing as Sucker Punch are well known for their karma system in the inFamous games. Thank you for watching and I hope you have an incredible day!
@@kodicasada7034 playing on the new Lethal difficulty makes the game go really quickly. Even if you're not going ham all the fights are done super quick. One of two good hits on any non boss and bosses are usually maybe 4 or 5 good reads.
I’m actually glad they went in this direction. I love the Infamous games but I honestly felt like there was no real incentive to play evil other than trophies. Never felt like it fit Cole or Delsin and the evil storylines just made you feel like s**t. Not only that but your skill branch depended on how you played. Play a certain way(I feel most played the hero path) and all those other powers would get locked off. GoT doesn’t “punish” you for playing one way or the other so you can take advantage of all the skills the game has to offer, rather than being forced to play one way to meet an arbitrary honor system.
Imagine if there was a Honorable Samurai ending, it would mean that Jin Sakai, despite the overwhelming disadvantage of the Mongols actually knowing his strategy and the difference in numbers, he practically soloed the entire Mongol army without fighting underhandedly(admittedly with help from the allies he recruits, without them he could only get so far). That would go hard.
It would've been super cool if Sucker Punch did include a secret ending if the player met a certain criteria for playing as an honourable samurai. Thank you for watching and I hope you have a fantastic day!
@@BaileyPointsI think to make a program to check whether the fighter fought with a true samurai code is a challenging task. That's why they didn't add a different conclusion for that...
@@sayanlaha3649 they could have made it as simple as checking for which skills you chose. It didn't have to be something like "He used 50% samurai 50% ghost skills during combat, therefore this ending"
The easiest way is just a check counter. Once you go over the unavoidable amount of assassinations and poisons then have a different cutscene. (Haven’t finished this game so idk what those numbers would be)
You're right that doing the honorable Samurai fight all the way through with a specific ending would be meaningful but that really wasn't what Sucker Punch wanted. They wanted to force Jin, and so the player, down the path of The Ghost as the main focus of conflict in the story. When Jin's uncle wanted to make him officially his son and heir and was holding that paper from the Shogun over the fire I was like "Jesus Sucker Punch, No! I love Lord Shimura I wanna be a good Samuri! Don't make me do this to him!"
Many people don't know this but if you are honourable throughout the gameplay, there is one small easter egg in rhe first mission in jogaku temple where we have to fight the mongol in the frozen lake. The more you assassinate the severe the storm is and the more you're honourable the less severe the storm is.
@shnark2170Which makes sense, becaause hiding in a storm is a whole lot easier than hiding during clear skies But, throwing out of the way for the time being, I loved that the game has a way to make it a bunch of different weather types with the instrument instead of having to be stuck with some random weather Personally, I didn't mind the storm and rain whenever I was being sneaky, but the moment I wanted to be sneaky or do some sight seeing, I'd want it clear so I can appreciate how colourful the game is
But still denied the strongest warrior that saved Japan. He said he was stopping using poison after the war against mongol. If it was not for Jin all samurai would be gone with dirty mongols ideas. They forced the idea of Jin not being honorable, the samurai that beat the mongols, all others died.
The secret to the story is that, although Lord Shimura doesn't agree with Jin's methods, especially the use of poison, he is only forced to do something about it when the Shogun orders him to. What isn't really explored is why the Shogun makes the decision to be rid of such a valuable asset as Jin Sakai. The truth is, the Shogun is both jealous and afraid of Jin's legend. In medieval Japan, no one was regarded higher than royalty, who were thought to be living gods. Feudal Japan saw several clan wars throughout its history but when a lowly samurai who fights as Jin did for the people of Tsushima his legend and status outgrew that of the Shogun. Jin did what he did to save the people, tarnishing his honour to save lives and ensure the enemy would not win. The people admired that. It's even see that the samurai reinforcements sought to take control of Tsushima from Lord Shimura after the campaign. Lord Shimura's "honour" led to his own decline. And the samurai who were supposed to protect Tsushima all died in a massacre because they charged into battle against a massive, ruthless force and left the people defenseless all in the name of honour. However, if the samurai had set their "honour" aside briefly, used smart tactics and only some tricks Jin had to resort to, the mongols would've never taken Tsushima in the first place and Jin wouldn't have been such a problem.
But the shogun isn’t a holy monarch nor is he regarded as a monarch, thats reserved for the emperor of japan, the shogun probably ordered jin’s execution because of the poison debacle and his tactics being overly dishonorable,
@poppashean4616 by the time Japan became a shogunate, the Emperor and the royal court were essentially figure heads. The shogun was the one calling the shots
There is actually a secret line said if you go samurai route before freeing Shimura. Instead of the whole “you methods were brutal” crap, he says “your father would be proud”
I dont think so, I made things in a not honorable way and he still said that my father would be proud of me but also says my methods were brutal. He says both
Jins transition from honourable samurai into the ghost was amazing. He watched all his friends die at Komada beach. He watched clan Adachis fall, he witnessed the betrayal of Ryuzo and later on, Taka is murdered and so is his horse. In all those times it became more clear to him that the samurai were useless against the Mongol Empire. The Mongols knew exactly on how to counter the attacks from the samurai and Jin knew that if he wanted to save his homeland he would have to play dirty. In my eyes the end of GOT is a cliffhanger, Jin is a broken man, I imagine he would view himself as a monster and he knows only to kill
Yes , and the thing that started everything was when he poisoned the mongol army , sparing so many lives that would be in vain because ... Honour.-> bad military strategies.
@@LordCodeEye yeah I know I dont know a lot about the Mongolian invasion to Japan, but I dont think there could be just one man killing all the mongols and giving up to honor. But I know Japanese won against the mongols with a lot of Samurais, and the samurais in tsushima fighted with honor against mongols
Thank you, it was definitely a struggle to complete the entire story with only the samurai play style. You’re right also, Jin Sakai is the Ghost and is only the start of a new style of combat!
It really breaks my immersion when i play completely like a samurai (expecting it to be like previous SP games) and people still tell me i have no honor. Specially since the actual combat system is way more fun than playing stealth, which is way too easy.
Playing as just a samurai in Ghost of Tsushima is very challenging, but also very rewarding once you clear an area. It was slightly disappointing to find out that playing as a true samurai throughout the entire game and having honor, does not impact the ending. Thank you for watching and I hope you have an incredible day!
The game is called *Ghost* of Tsushima so.... tbh I prefer to play as the Ghost cuz it is quick and easy, in this way, I can take out more mongols in same amount of time and help free Tsushima quickly (I do sheath my sword and bow in the end to show that the Ghost has some morals).
@@BaileyPoints Jin wouldn't have killed the Khan or even made it this far if he truly stayed honourable*. This is what the game tells you. In times of war, you gotta play dirty if the other side does.
I think they were gonna make it like the previous games, but decided against it either to narrow the scope (imagine making two Ghost of Tsushima games just for most to only get one ending) or to prevent them from becoming "the Moral Choice game devs"
I wanted assassin's creed to make a japanese or chinese based game with ninjas or samurai but they just made a viking game, but sucker punch productions made my dream come true.
Yep. Ever since assassins creed 2 i wanted a asaian based assassin game. This game is better then i could have imagined and assassins creed game like this being.
So does the honor reset in new game plus? I mean ... I becomed the Ghost in the First gameplay but now i want to play as a true samurai in ng+ can i do that ?
I’m not that surprised that the ending doesn’t really change sucker punch even mentioned that aside from actual gameplay the story is pretty much the same just how you choose to play the game will be different
Sucker Punch only said that there was not going to be karma feature that was in the inFamous games. Many people did have questions about what would happen in the end if you only focused on the samurai play style. For the purposes of research and to answer them questions, I decided to do this. It would of been nice to see Sucker Punch have a slight change in the ending such as different dialogue or even a change in a cutscene, but unfortunately there isn’t. Thank you for watching the video and I hope you have a fantastic day!
It’s funny that sneaking around is considered so dishonorable in this game. When during the real life invasion, the samurai actually snuck up to the Mongols ships at night, and killed them in their sleep.
@@Zyaphu it didn’t take out every single ship in one day, dude. The invasion likely lasted months. Ultimately destroying the majority of the ship fleet for them to call it off.
Yeah the game heavily romanticizes samurai chivalry. I personally don't see a problem with it since it's just a game and the devs have stated that it's not meant to be super historically accurate. But I always found it funny imagining samurai laughing at Shimura and congratulating Jin if the game were shifted over to a real life setting.
@@jonathanmaldonado7913I think I remember hearing some samurai from the mainland talking about it when you escape the castle before act 3 one of them says something about Jin being rowdy/uncontrollable and diminishing Shimura's power but that you essentially saved everyone lives by poisoning the mongols and the way they were talking implied they were somewhat grateful since the other solution that Shimura proposed had them run through an heavily defended bridge in the open and opening a gate that would have exploded because the whole bridge/gate were a trap set by the mongols
So far In my play through I would’ve liked to see much more struggle in Jin that casting aside his code was heart breaking and devastating for him.but to see where the conflict between shimura and Jin spans from my favourite line is “you have no honour” “and you are a slave to it!”
I get it though, Jin isn’t stupid, he’s seen the Mongols first-hand and what they do to honourable samurai, he's had his struggle, especially with his first assassination, but the more you do something the easier it becomes, constantly struggling with becoming the ghost just wouldn't make as much sense
he lost everything, from day one with the death of his mother life was sad and arduous for him...starting with his father and then his uncle. What a sad life to be a samurai!
Before doing the last few story missions, I completed all the side quests and cleared out the remaining camps. A small part of me regrets it because there is nothing to do except find random mongols or bandits roaming the roads.
I agree, once you 100% the game there is not much to do. I'm just looking forward to Ghost of Tsushima Legends which is releasing later this year. Thank you for watching and I hope you have a fantastic day!
honestly, i wish you could have chose which path you took, as the ghost, or Lord Sakai/ Shimura, i would have chosen to be a honorable samurai in a heart beat.
It makes sense though, that how you played yourself wouldn't change this story. As you said, there are a handful of missions and cut scenes that force your hand and make you do dishonorable things. Most of those things, however, were never witnessed by any other samurai and so it would be possible that Jin could have simply denied they ever happened. But the two moments you mentioned that are most damning to Jin are when he poisons the two soldiers before cutting the general's head off from behind and the incident when Jin poisons the entire Mongol garrison are both witnessed first-hand by Lord Shimura and the army of samurai sent by the Shogun. And unfortunately, those two acts alone would be enough dishonor to have warranted the penalty Jin ultimately has to face in the end. I'd like to think that maybe if Shimura alone had witnessed these things that he may have looked the other way and hid them from the Shogun. But when the army of loyal Shogun samurai saw it all too, well, they're certainly not going to just let Jin off with a slap on the wrist. It was a noble effort to see what would happen, but unfortunately, this game's story is basically linear (and that's not a bad thing in this case; as the game was never marketed under the presumption that your choices and gameplay would effect the story).
Yep, the story is very linear and the only choice that matters is the final decision. This only impacts the end game, such as what colour Ghost armour you receive, camp you have and Yuna’s dialogue. I thought to answer many questions people may of had, if they focused and followed the true samurai play style, I would make this video. Thank you for watching and I hope you have a fantastic day!
This is totally the kind of game you would expect to have different endings. The ending we did get is fine but i seriously think there should have been more actual choices that influence the ending.
I kind of love and hated that last ride with lord Shimura. On one side its like : A man and his uncle just go on a hike, and on the other, it feels like the uncle is taking the dog to a secluded space to put it down.
The game intends to show Jin becoming a Shinobi, not a Samurai. He wouldn't kill his uncle. Just like he didn't kill Lady Adachi and didn't want to kill Ryuzon at first.
I just played the mission where you secure the forge. Taka said to me "I've never seen a samurai fight like that" while looking horrified, or sickened. The entire fight, I stood outside and fought people with my sword, and used my bow on the archers. I've been playing like a samurai, only doing otherwise when forced to by the game. I've found it disappointing how little that choice matters. The game still treats me like Jin is a ninja, constantly lurking in shadows and stabbing people in the back. I would have loved a karma system in the game, staying loyal to the samurai's Bushido code or fighting like The Ghost, with a different ending for each. I can only hope the railroading was to set up a sequel. To be fair though, the ending is hauntingly, mythically tragic, it was like watching an ancient legend be retold.
The only changes I've notice is in mission called "massage on fire". If you unlock the ghost stance first and use it during combat, Lord Shimura will respond "well struck, Lord Sakai" etc. Kinda neat tho...
To be fair, the game wasn't supposed to give you the choice. As in sections where you can't decide how to play, it is always Jin's choice to use ghost tactics. So it was always intended to become more and more the ghost throughout the game, never to stay the Samurai.
I have a question for the people who did this in game (can't find any answers on the internet). In the mission where you have to save Jin's uncle, there are two guards near him, you can kill the first one with shoji assassination or open the door and fight, I personally opened the door and fought but what does the uncle say if you shoji assassination the guards?
Imagine being this stupid. "I purposefully ignored gameplay mechanics despite the game clearly telling me to use them because I thought the grand narrative was supposed to conform to my choices." Not every story is a choose your own adventure campaign.
They should’ve had a karma system like RDR2, the more you use stealth, poison, etc, the more you become the Ghost. The more you just fight and stand-off etc, the more you become a samurai
There is a difference between RDR2 and Ghost of Tsushima. Arthur's story is a tale about a Wild West Outlaw, henceforth you can make the choice of living the life of an outlaw or become something more than who you are. Jin's story is about a man who destroys himself to save his people, it's a completely different mindset
I like how when you spare your uncle, your new home has pleasant weather and it's peaceful. But if you murder your uncle, your new home is dark, stormy and chaotic. Nice little touch there to show the difference between right and wrong. Like why kill your family? There was no need for it. 🙂
@@tootbender6935 I killed Shimura, but not with honor in mind. I killed him since he was a dick to Jin, but boy did it hurt to see Jin cry. I felt terrible after too.
Let's hope so. I have a few ideas that I would really like to see in a sequel. The game has so much potential to create an incredible game franchise. Thank you for watching the video and I hope you have a great day!
Ive completed this game very recently and chose to spare shimura. I find it quite interesting that even if you kill him nothing really changes because that is the legend youve built as the ghost and to the shogun you are nothing but a traitor that will be hunted forever. Jin lost literally everything to save his people but he broke free of a code that would have destroyed him. Seeing this kind of makes me wish there was some alternate path or ending if youve played as nothing but a samurai, but i think it would kind of ruin the story they were trying to tell here. That being said for everyone that did play as a pure samurai to still get called dishonourable and a traitor by lord shimura, I can understand why some are very disappointed by this ending. The khan knew all the samurais tactics and how their traditions are purely honour bound so he knew exactly how to exploit it. The only thing he didnt account for was jin becoming the ghost since he realised to beat his enemy he must adapt which is what shimura and his samurai failed to do. What got me the most is you can see the pain in shimuras' eyes at what jin has become.. he doesn't want to do this but he must appease the shogun or his clan will be destroyed too If anything jin sakai's samurai days are over, but as the ghost hes almost became the first ninja. Its a great story maybe one day we will get a sequel to the ghost.
i did this on my 1st playthrough and i remember the disappointment when jin just started saying dishonorable stuff in every cutscene after ive done everything right
19:20 just realised dynamic dialogue here. Yuna tells you lines based on whatever side quests you have not completed yet. I completed all sidequests of main characters (norio, ishigawa, masako, etc.) but still had some mongol outposts left to liberate so Yuna didn't say the lines about Masako tracking her family's killers or ishigawa's rogue student. All she told me was there's still Mongols left to kill on Tsushima (talking about the Mongol bases I still hadn't cleared and the new ones the game adds after story completion)
I think depending on how you fight in certain missions the NPCs will react and call you a monster if you use non samurai tactics. Like in the mission where you secure the Forge for Taka.
I just played the mission where you secure the forge. Taka said to me "I've never seen a samurai fight like that" while looking horrified, or sickened. The entire fight, I stood outside and fought people with my sword, and used my bow on the archers. I've been playing like a samurai, only doing otherwise when forced to by the game. I've found it disappointing how little that choice matters. The game still treats me like Jin is a ninja, constantly lurking in shadows and stabbing people in the back.
They really knocked it outta the park with this game. The beautiful scenery and music and camera angles and positions. Just wow. I really hope they keep this going with another game sooner than later.
I remember doing this in my first playthrough. I was so consumed by Jin's guilt that I refused to play the game the stealthy way. Let me tell you, lethal mode really did me horrendous cause I'd die like 100 times every mission trying to take on the onslaught of mongols. I always felt betrayed when Khotun called Jin dishonorable even after everything I did like tf did he mean😭. But I'll say that roleplay really was fun, despite the hoops I had to jump through and the lack of reward at the end. Kudos to you for doing this too. Keep up the good work!👏
i'm a little disapointed that the ending or the cutscenes don't really change unlike in games like spiderman web of shadows or red dead its kind of a missed opportunity you could play honorable and face the consequences good or bad or dishonorable and face those consequences be loyal to lord shimura or fight with terror and poison and be an anti hero.
I agree with you. I very much enjoyed the story, but I would of liked to see the games dialogue or cutscenes change based on your play style. However, the story is very linear and your play style has no actions. Something that I should mention, is that Sucker Punch recently confirmed that the weather will change to stormy weather when you use more of the Ghost tactics, which is very surprising. Maybe the story is like this, because Sucker Punch are planning on creating a sequel and they needed this story to be here for Jin’s origin. Thank you for watching and I hope you have a fantastic day!
I stealth killed no one i wasnt forced too. Refused to use the bow. Yet i rescue my uncle, he calls me dishonourable and starts trying to force me against the people that helped rescue him. I put the game down and stopped playing. I actually adored the game but that part of the game ruined the whole narrative for me
Using a bow is not dishonorable, unless it is a fire or explosive arrow, historically speaking, the samurai's main weapon was the bow and they only used the katana when the enemy was close.
@@edsonsantos9081 true but historically speaking samurai didn't practise honour in the way we in the west know it or this game portrays it, in fact their belief system cannot truly be called honour at all, it's more akin to a ranking for those most obedient to the heirarchy. By a traditional standard of chivalric honour a bow is extremely dishonourable as the opponent doesn't get to fight back. Add to the that the killing from a distance removing oneself from the danger means that it's one of the least honourable forms of combat and derided. A samurai in every other culture outside Asia would be called a coward and a bully.
I just played as if I was Jin. I couldnt spare Shimura when he was so eilling to send all our ppl to death. His pride would have been the downfall of all of Japan. Imo Shimura HAS to die and it had to be by Jins hand. Ghost of Tsushima 2 will cover the Shogun and Jin I bet.
For a moment I thought that avoiding stealth kills would change the game's lore any bit, but nope it doesn't Which is a relief for me, since I can use stealth and commit sweet stealth kills without any penalty, but I still prefer the loud gameplay (just like Jin said, samurai's life shouldn't be easy)
i've seen lot of people complaining bout the fact that there is no secret ending but it makes sens for a couple of reasons... 1. This game is more like a movie than anything else, guess what ? you don't change the outcome of a movie. 2. The whole game is based around that dilemma between what you've been taught and what NEED's to be done. Facing an army alone or with a couple of buddy head on like the bushido dictate would mean end of the game before it even starts... FFS The intro proves that fighting using only honor would just bring death to everyone... they tried to fight head on with 80 samurai, lost one instantly by sending adachi sama to his death for no reason (jin even had to lie to masako about his death lol), the rest got trashed and the only reason jin survived was because of yuna... Also, the first time we have to kill someone with stealth it's mentioned that we cannot go gun blazing because there is an hostage, if the npc in the game were not that stupid you would not even be able to reach the cage before they would kill him therefore the "honor" would bring death of the innocent you swore to protect. it's actually funny that shimura kept thinking that the bushido would save the people he swore to protect when when he heard the khan or whatever his name is litteraly say "i know all about you including how you fight and how to counter you all" ... so to me no, having a secret ending where we fought with honor is stupid because it would mean sacrificing many life's, hostage and people who wanted to help even tho they were not samurai... throwing away these life is no honourable thing.
Could at least make the voicelines at least pretend the player is doing stuff instead of following a script, for example when you free Shimura and fight alongside him and allies, if you do ghost stuff he will still compliment you as if you were playing normally, another example during the escorting family to forge the NPCs will always be scared of the protagonist's fighting style regardless of what they did, etc. If you did the quest for mongol armour nobody cares if you wear it even though the protag remarks how he wonders what his uncle would think of it after completing the quest and donning said armour, it might as well be a movie because god damn does it not give a damn what the player does
The game is called "Ghost of Tsushima" not "Samurai of Tsushima" they were obviously telling the story of how a lone Samurai warrior is forced to become more of a Shinobi to save his island. Wouldn't make sense for there to be 2 outcomes. Only sucks cause you have Samurai gear and might want to play as a Samurai
I've been doing my best to play honorable. Nothing gives me feelings of power quite like challenging some Mongol camp to a standoff then wrecking all of them.
It seems that from the beginning you were going to have to become a shinobi. Some of the early missions required some level of stealth from what I recall. Im still playing it and not at the 30% mark as far as I know. Great game so far.
Not to mention that Yuna's story missions require Jin to be discreet and assassinate his targets without being seen, especially in the mission of the 3 brothers where they are decapitated by Jin
One thing I've noticed is the dialogue changes depending on how many tales of Tsushima you complete or what quests you do before hand.. it doesn't change the overall story
It's not really fair, when Jin was the most honorable and the hero samurai that saved the japan, also sucker punch forced the idea of him not being honorable. He says to Yuriko that he is only using the poison until the end of the war. Khan's death. A second game with the honour Jin Sakai deserves(without poison) is a must, I'm not buying the ghost of yotei.
Had this thought too, but figured it was gonna stay the same since there wasnt many moment you could make any decisions besides the mission were u save the husband or the monk... hopefully the new game gives us more choices!
According to DLC it seems Lord Shimura survived. The game foces you to spare Shimura from the Iki DLC. Which was also my choice to spare Lord Shimura because like what the Shogun and Lord Shimura told Jin. He was no longer a Samurai and the Sakai clan was disbanded so its only reasonable to turn your back and be a fugitive.
There is that option can you guess what it is Killing youre uncle and honoring his death like a samurai or spare him and disregard his wish like a ghost
It's odd that Sucker Punch went for a choice given ending, rather than an ending based on your honor which they are known for from the Infamous games. Let's just hope that we got this ending to lay the foundation for the story in Ghost of Tsushima 2 and that game follows an honor system. Thanks for watching this video and I hope you have a fantastic day!
I think jin sakais fathers armor is designed after one of the support characters in the movie, The Last Samurai in which tom cruise is the main character.
If only there was a “Throw Yuna under the bus” option and more Karma. I also wish that the Sakai Estate would be replaced with other Samurai, giving you the option to full rogue and start killing Samurai who are mistreating the people.
Honestly, i was hoping that after the story concluded that the New Samurai would act more similar to thugs than actually helping out and even used the Sakai Estate as a camp, and even going far enough as to destroy the Sakai clan flag.
I think you missed one. I think when you go to rescue your uncle. If you assassinate from the back, khotun khan will add “…im finding my people stabbed in the back, its quite dishonorable for a samurai” or something in that phrase during shimuras & khotuna dialogue in the resure of lord shimura mission but if dont assassinate he wont add it in
He didn't have to. And considering he'd already broken all Bushido codes why would he? Lord Shimura likely would recover and survive. Just like Ryuzon did after his first fight with him.
What I like about this game is I started honorable and didn't kill like the ghost, but I got to this one part where I hit a wall and tried the ghost tactics and the game made a huge deal of it. I have not forgotten the point where I broke my honor in game.
This ending was different from mine. I choose to spare him and then I spawned in a different hut in a different location with it being sunny and no storms in a red suit.
i think, to be safe, only use y / triangle attacks, because you can execute someone who is staggered accidentally if you do a normal attack, whcih also counts as dishonorable
Yep there was no emotional weight to Jin's choice to do dishonorable things fighting the Mongols since you the player have no choice. It would have been great to have an honorable path for every mission, even if that path was much harder. Then the choice would have emotional weight.
live honorably today and you will not succeed in todays world. you get exploited instead. that is the reality of today. unless your parents are rich and provide you with money so you can succeed by default.
I love this game. It was so well written, the soundtrack especially when you get ghost mode for the first time chasing the mongels. The one thing I could not stand and I had it when games do this is the enemy tracking. The teleporting or gliding. You clearly dodge an attack and the enemy just nanchalantly redirects towards you or floats towards you. This only happened on the higher difficulties because they didn't want peole to just dodge easily out of the way but that is so stupid that they did that. When you get chased by a spearmans thrust for like 50yards because the game is programed to have the enemies attack to hit you unless you do a PERFECT dodge is annoying as hell. I can't count how many times I've dodge an attack only for the enemy to redirect while coming down to hit me or to track me even though I dodged behind them. Still amazing game but I pray they remove enemy tracking. You can make games difficult without purposely programming in heat seeking missle meelee attacks.
It would’ve been cool if there had been options in the game not to break Jins samurai code of honour and if you stayed a samurai Lord Shimura would have adopted you as a son and the Shogun gave you a Reward for Defeating the Kahn
That doesn't make sense in the context of the story though. Jon states repeatedly that he had to do what he did in order to save his people because the Khan knew the samurai tactics and was winning because of it. However I do agree with you, I would have liked different endings. I mostly played straight samurai combat
I really like the gameplay detail of Jin going from Samurai to Ghost. At first you probably want to stick to being a Samurai(At least that's how I felt) but as the game goes on and it gets harder and harder to rely on open combat which forces you to use more stealthy, dishonorable tactics. Then it all comes together when you poison the camp, you and Jin have had to adopt less than pleasant tactics to win. No Honor? Yes, but living is worth more than honor (In my opinion)
Here is a good question what if you never get the blowgun and never use poison so at end of game will Lord shimura mention to Jin Sakai about using poison if not than that will be something
You need to get the blowgun to progress in the story. Then there is the scene were Jin uses the poison to kill the Mongols later on in the story, which can't be changed. There is no way of avoiding the use of poison. Thank you for watching and I hope you have a great day!
In my opinion Jin had far more honor than anyone, those who claimed to have honor had none and died with none, for there is no honor in death, only in life
Thanks for trying haha , i eagerly expected some hidden secret ending but i guess there is just 1 ending , i don't think devs will ever make a hidden ending as the game is named ghost of Tsushima and canonically Jhin becomes the ghost as he does what he must to survive and save his people
Part of me wishes i'd known my general use of the ghost skills wouldn't matter to the narrative, because there is a whole side of the game I just never engaged with. And part of me is glad the game fooled me into thinking my combat choices mattered because I was so immersed. It was a totally different experience playing than I would have had otherwise.
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BaileyPoints I really wish they had an honour system(like infamous) and that would effect what jin says and does in cutscenes so the ending would change according to honour level
Wait, are you implying you have accurate information about why Ujimasa Yarikawa sent an assassin on Lord Shimura during his bear hunt with Jin Sakai as a child?
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the best thing to do is to have a nice inspiration
Im kinda disappointed that they didn't lean heavier into the karma choices. Even like a neat semi secret story you get if you do things as honourably as possible. I tried to be as honourable as I could and then when I got to the end and found out it didn't make a difference I was kinda disappointed. It does make me wanna go back through the game and jusy go ham though.
It was surprising to see that there was no secret karma ending, seeing as Sucker Punch are well known for their karma system in the inFamous games. Thank you for watching and I hope you have an incredible day!
I realized before I finished my first play through so I went had it got so much easier
@@kodicasada7034 playing on the new Lethal difficulty makes the game go really quickly. Even if you're not going ham all the fights are done super quick. One of two good hits on any non boss and bosses are usually maybe 4 or 5 good reads.
I’m actually glad they went in this direction. I love the Infamous games but I honestly felt like there was no real incentive to play evil other than trophies. Never felt like it fit Cole or Delsin and the evil storylines just made you feel like s**t. Not only that but your skill branch depended on how you played. Play a certain way(I feel most played the hero path) and all those other powers would get locked off. GoT doesn’t “punish” you for playing one way or the other so you can take advantage of all the skills the game has to offer, rather than being forced to play one way to meet an arbitrary honor system.
@@FiendishDr_Wu but the black lightning...
Imagine if there was a Honorable Samurai ending, it would mean that Jin Sakai, despite the overwhelming disadvantage of the Mongols actually knowing his strategy and the difference in numbers, he practically soloed the entire Mongol army without fighting underhandedly(admittedly with help from the allies he recruits, without them he could only get so far). That would go hard.
It would've been super cool if Sucker Punch did include a secret ending if the player met a certain criteria for playing as an honourable samurai. Thank you for watching and I hope you have a fantastic day!
@@BaileyPointsI think to make a program to check whether the fighter fought with a true samurai code is a challenging task. That's why they didn't add a different conclusion for that...
@@sayanlaha3649 they could have made it as simple as checking for which skills you chose. It didn't have to be something like "He used 50% samurai 50% ghost skills during combat, therefore this ending"
The easiest way is just a check counter. Once you go over the unavoidable amount of assassinations and poisons then have a different cutscene. (Haven’t finished this game so idk what those numbers would be)
You're right that doing the honorable Samurai fight all the way through with a specific ending would be meaningful but that really wasn't what Sucker Punch wanted. They wanted to force Jin, and so the player, down the path of The Ghost as the main focus of conflict in the story. When Jin's uncle wanted to make him officially his son and heir and was holding that paper from the Shogun over the fire I was like "Jesus Sucker Punch, No! I love Lord Shimura I wanna be a good Samuri! Don't make me do this to him!"
Many people don't know this but if you are honourable throughout the gameplay, there is one small easter egg in rhe first mission in jogaku temple where we have to fight the mongol in the frozen lake. The more you assassinate the severe the storm is and the more you're honourable the less severe the storm is.
this one dont check out for me, most my kills up to that point were assassinations and the crowd i had to fight was small
@@franciscoaguillon2540he stated the “storm”
@@franciscoaguillon2540 It don't check out cause you can't read and comprehend for shit.
@shnark2170Which makes sense, becaause hiding in a storm is a whole lot easier than hiding during clear skies
But, throwing out of the way for the time being, I loved that the game has a way to make it a bunch of different weather types with the instrument instead of having to be stuck with some random weather
Personally, I didn't mind the storm and rain whenever I was being sneaky, but the moment I wanted to be sneaky or do some sight seeing, I'd want it clear so I can appreciate how colourful the game is
@shnark2170 I just finished the game recently. That's such a cool detail.
"I will train you to be the greatest warrior the Sakai clan has ever known"
-Lord Shimura
Yees
I mean he succeeded, so
Unfortunately, he did. Just not the kind of warrior he had in mind.
As kratos said to Ares at the end of God of War 1: "You succeeded"
But still denied the strongest warrior that saved Japan.
He said he was stopping using poison after the war against mongol.
If it was not for Jin all samurai would be gone with dirty mongols ideas.
They forced the idea of Jin not being honorable, the samurai that beat the mongols, all others died.
The secret to the story is that, although Lord Shimura doesn't agree with Jin's methods, especially the use of poison, he is only forced to do something about it when the Shogun orders him to. What isn't really explored is why the Shogun makes the decision to be rid of such a valuable asset as Jin Sakai. The truth is, the Shogun is both jealous and afraid of Jin's legend. In medieval Japan, no one was regarded higher than royalty, who were thought to be living gods. Feudal Japan saw several clan wars throughout its history but when a lowly samurai who fights as Jin did for the people of Tsushima his legend and status outgrew that of the Shogun. Jin did what he did to save the people, tarnishing his honour to save lives and ensure the enemy would not win. The people admired that. It's even see that the samurai reinforcements sought to take control of Tsushima from Lord Shimura after the campaign. Lord Shimura's "honour" led to his own decline. And the samurai who were supposed to protect Tsushima all died in a massacre because they charged into battle against a massive, ruthless force and left the people defenseless all in the name of honour. However, if the samurai had set their "honour" aside briefly, used smart tactics and only some tricks Jin had to resort to, the mongols would've never taken Tsushima in the first place and Jin wouldn't have been such a problem.
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@@inalgasimov3892 you should.
But the shogun isn’t a holy monarch nor is he regarded as a monarch, thats reserved for the emperor of japan, the shogun probably ordered jin’s execution because of the poison debacle and his tactics being overly dishonorable,
@@zosasho8036 the Shogun may not be a holy monarch but the emperor would have the Shogun deal with such a matter
@poppashean4616 by the time Japan became a shogunate, the Emperor and the royal court were essentially figure heads. The shogun was the one calling the shots
There is actually a secret line said if you go samurai route before freeing Shimura. Instead of the whole “you methods were brutal” crap, he says “your father would be proud”
Really? Interesting, I plan on replaying new game plus so I'll see if I can trigger it.
Yea I got the “your father would be proud” line
I dont think so, I made things in a not honorable way and he still said that my father would be proud of me but also says my methods were brutal. He says both
Nah, it doesn't make a difference. Up until shimura I barely killed a few under the shadow. And he still says both
He said both for me bru
Jins transition from honourable samurai into the ghost was amazing.
He watched all his friends die at Komada beach.
He watched clan Adachis fall, he witnessed the betrayal of Ryuzo and later on, Taka is murdered and so is his horse.
In all those times it became more clear to him that the samurai were useless against the Mongol Empire.
The Mongols knew exactly on how to counter the attacks from the samurai and Jin knew that if he wanted to save his homeland he would have to play dirty.
In my eyes the end of GOT is a cliffhanger, Jin is a broken man, I imagine he would view himself as a monster and he knows only to kill
Yes , and the thing that started everything was when he poisoned the mongol army , sparing so many lives that would be in vain because ... Honour.-> bad military strategies.
@@LordCodeEye yeah...
But this is a game, a fiction made by people, made of creativity
@@LordCodeEye nah
@@LordCodeEye yeah I know I dont know a lot about the Mongolian invasion to Japan, but I dont think there could be just one man killing all the mongols and giving up to honor. But I know Japanese won against the mongols with a lot of Samurais, and the samurais in tsushima fighted with honor against mongols
@@LordCodeEye no one cares this is a video game based on actual events
Salute you for the hard work. However my dear friend, Jin Sakai destiny is to be the first Ninja not the last Samurai.
Edit : Omg, this blew up
Thank you, it was definitely a struggle to complete the entire story with only the samurai play style. You’re right also, Jin Sakai is the Ghost and is only the start of a new style of combat!
He was the last samurai of tsushima but later have reinforcement of the grand Island
I was thinking the same thing all the way through the game
Ninjas aren’t as cool as you think. They are literally samurai with pajamas.
@@mingchenwei1978 lmao. They are assassins and spies. Samurais with pajamas hahaha. Kinda like marines are just people that eat crayons?
It really breaks my immersion when i play completely like a samurai (expecting it to be like previous SP games) and people still tell me i have no honor. Specially since the actual combat system is way more fun than playing stealth, which is way too easy.
Playing as just a samurai in Ghost of Tsushima is very challenging, but also very rewarding once you clear an area. It was slightly disappointing to find out that playing as a true samurai throughout the entire game and having honor, does not impact the ending. Thank you for watching and I hope you have an incredible day!
The game really should have encouraged playing more ghost like later on in the story even when you do side stuff, especially later in act 3
The game is called *Ghost* of Tsushima so.... tbh I prefer to play as the Ghost cuz it is quick and easy, in this way, I can take out more mongols in same amount of time and help free Tsushima quickly (I do sheath my sword and bow in the end to show that the Ghost has some morals).
@@BaileyPoints Jin wouldn't have killed the Khan or even made it this far if he truly stayed honourable*. This is what the game tells you. In times of war, you gotta play dirty if the other side does.
I think they were gonna make it like the previous games, but decided against it either to narrow the scope (imagine making two Ghost of Tsushima games just for most to only get one ending) or to prevent them from becoming "the Moral Choice game devs"
I wanted assassin's creed to make a japanese or chinese based game with ninjas or samurai but they just made a viking game, but sucker punch productions made my dream come true.
Yep. Ever since assassins creed 2 i wanted a asaian based assassin game. This game is better then i could have imagined and assassins creed game like this being.
I’ve been wanting that forever but after playing Ghost of Tsushima there really isn’t anything AC could do to top this masterpiece.
that’s technically what assassins creed chronicles china did
@@kaydensrevenge I have never heard of it, probably because it was a sub-series.
They have a new one coming out in 2023 samurai assassin creed. Can’t wait.
I’m glad I saw this before completing the whole story again
Same
Wow I was just gonna go thru an ultimate scam !!!!!! Thanks God I saw this video
So does the honor reset in new game plus? I mean ... I becomed the Ghost in the First gameplay but now i want to play as a true samurai in ng+ can i do that ?
Or you Will Always be and you are meant to be the Ghost ?
@@guglielmo_arte_naturale you ar the GHOST
I’m not that surprised that the ending doesn’t really change sucker punch even mentioned that aside from actual gameplay the story is pretty much the same just how you choose to play the game will be different
Sucker Punch only said that there was not going to be karma feature that was in the inFamous games. Many people did have questions about what would happen in the end if you only focused on the samurai play style. For the purposes of research and to answer them questions, I decided to do this. It would of been nice to see Sucker Punch have a slight change in the ending such as different dialogue or even a change in a cutscene, but unfortunately there isn’t. Thank you for watching the video and I hope you have a fantastic day!
I had to parry for a good 30 seconds cause I didn’t wanna fight him at all 😔
The ending made me sad
I didn’t wanna be the ghost :( I wanted to be the Samurai
But still a great game
Wish there was two endings
@@tostik7068 there are two endings though
It’s funny that sneaking around is considered so dishonorable in this game. When during the real life invasion, the samurai actually snuck up to the Mongols ships at night, and killed them in their sleep.
They also killed the wounded as well as civilians when they fled. There's no honour in war, AT ALL.
Bro, what? The multiple mongol invasions failed because of a typhoon twice
@@Zyaphu it didn’t take out every single ship in one day, dude. The invasion likely lasted months. Ultimately destroying the majority of the ship fleet for them to call it off.
Yeah the game heavily romanticizes samurai chivalry. I personally don't see a problem with it since it's just a game and the devs have stated that it's not meant to be super historically accurate. But I always found it funny imagining samurai laughing at Shimura and congratulating Jin if the game were shifted over to a real life setting.
@@jonathanmaldonado7913I think I remember hearing some samurai from the mainland talking about it when you escape the castle before act 3 one of them says something about Jin being rowdy/uncontrollable and diminishing Shimura's power but that you essentially saved everyone lives by poisoning the mongols and the way they were talking implied they were somewhat grateful since the other solution that Shimura proposed had them run through an heavily defended bridge in the open and opening a gate that would have exploded because the whole bridge/gate were a trap set by the mongols
So far In my play through I would’ve liked to see much more struggle in Jin that casting aside his code was heart breaking and devastating for him.but to see where the conflict between shimura and Jin spans from my favourite line is “you have no honour” “and you are a slave to it!”
I get it though, Jin isn’t stupid, he’s seen the Mongols first-hand and what they do to honourable samurai, he's had his struggle, especially with his first assassination, but the more you do something the easier it becomes, constantly struggling with becoming the ghost just wouldn't make as much sense
The Samurai died on the beach. That is Jins philosophy for the rest of the game.
he lost everything, from day one with the death of his mother life was sad and arduous for him...starting with his father and then his uncle. What a sad life to be a samurai!
Before doing the last few story missions, I completed all the side quests and cleared out the remaining camps. A small part of me regrets it because there is nothing to do except find random mongols or bandits roaming the roads.
I agree, once you 100% the game there is not much to do. I'm just looking forward to Ghost of Tsushima Legends which is releasing later this year. Thank you for watching and I hope you have a fantastic day!
Guys since this was made we have new game + it's so much fun and adds so much replay value
Same man same I’m so bored but don’t want to restart because I have so many things I wish there was a new game +
@@reee5688 there is
@@lorenzomurru3898 really?
honestly, i wish you could have chose which path you took, as the ghost, or Lord Sakai/ Shimura, i would have chosen to be a honorable samurai in a heart beat.
The game is called the Ghost of Tsushima...not the Samurai of Tsushima. That's on purpose.
@@alexdhampu got a point fr
Game should be called the Maybe Ghost or samurai of tsushima
@@Zboubaxlame.
It makes sense though, that how you played yourself wouldn't change this story. As you said, there are a handful of missions and cut scenes that force your hand and make you do dishonorable things. Most of those things, however, were never witnessed by any other samurai and so it would be possible that Jin could have simply denied they ever happened. But the two moments you mentioned that are most damning to Jin are when he poisons the two soldiers before cutting the general's head off from behind and the incident when Jin poisons the entire Mongol garrison are both witnessed first-hand by Lord Shimura and the army of samurai sent by the Shogun. And unfortunately, those two acts alone would be enough dishonor to have warranted the penalty Jin ultimately has to face in the end. I'd like to think that maybe if Shimura alone had witnessed these things that he may have looked the other way and hid them from the Shogun. But when the army of loyal Shogun samurai saw it all too, well, they're certainly not going to just let Jin off with a slap on the wrist.
It was a noble effort to see what would happen, but unfortunately, this game's story is basically linear (and that's not a bad thing in this case; as the game was never marketed under the presumption that your choices and gameplay would effect the story).
Yep, the story is very linear and the only choice that matters is the final decision. This only impacts the end game, such as what colour Ghost armour you receive, camp you have and Yuna’s dialogue. I thought to answer many questions people may of had, if they focused and followed the true samurai play style, I would make this video. Thank you for watching and I hope you have a fantastic day!
No the reason he was to be executed was because the people rallied behind him and not the shogun
Very well said.
don't forget the Mongols did polluted the wells by throwing dead cadavers in them, thus poisoning the villagers.
This must of been very difficult to do. Well done and thanks for answering this question for us all!
This is totally the kind of game you would expect to have different endings. The ending we did get is fine but i seriously think there should have been more actual choices that influence the ending.
I kind of love and hated that last ride with lord Shimura. On one side its like : A man and his uncle just go on a hike, and on the other, it feels like the uncle is taking the dog to a secluded space to put it down.
Did you know Lord Shimura actually compliments your strikes when your in ghost stance?
Really
Mongols: “GHOOOOOST!”
Lord Shimura: “That’s right, you’re toast!”
best wishes and good luck
This mission hit us with that father son time just to give us the most heart breaking plot twist in the game
I knew something was coming even before he confronted Jin...it felt too much like a farewell the whole time...
The game intends to show Jin becoming a Shinobi, not a Samurai. He wouldn't kill his uncle. Just like he didn't kill Lady Adachi and didn't want to kill Ryuzon at first.
This must of been very hard to do Bailey. Great work and thanks for the content!
It was very hard, but definitely worth it. Thanks for watching the video and I hope you have a fantastic day!
I just played the mission where you secure the forge. Taka said to me "I've never seen a samurai fight like that" while looking horrified, or sickened.
The entire fight, I stood outside and fought people with my sword, and used my bow on the archers.
I've been playing like a samurai, only doing otherwise when forced to by the game. I've found it disappointing how little that choice matters. The game still treats me like Jin is a ninja, constantly lurking in shadows and stabbing people in the back.
I would have loved a karma system in the game, staying loyal to the samurai's Bushido code or fighting like The Ghost, with a different ending for each.
I can only hope the railroading was to set up a sequel. To be fair though, the ending is hauntingly, mythically tragic, it was like watching an ancient legend be retold.
The only changes I've notice is in mission called "massage on fire". If you unlock the ghost stance first and use it during combat, Lord Shimura will respond "well struck, Lord Sakai" etc.
Kinda neat tho...
You talking about rdr2 :)
To be fair, the game wasn't supposed to give you the choice. As in sections where you can't decide how to play, it is always Jin's choice to use ghost tactics. So it was always intended to become more and more the ghost throughout the game, never to stay the Samurai.
I have a question for the people who did this in game (can't find any answers on the internet).
In the mission where you have to save Jin's uncle, there are two guards near him, you can kill the first one with shoji assassination or open the door and fight, I personally opened the door and fought but what does the uncle say if you shoji assassination the guards?
Imagine being this stupid. "I purposefully ignored gameplay mechanics despite the game clearly telling me to use them because I thought the grand narrative was supposed to conform to my choices." Not every story is a choose your own adventure campaign.
They should’ve had a karma system like RDR2, the more you use stealth, poison, etc, the more you become the Ghost. The more you just fight and stand-off etc, the more you become a samurai
Way way way too late but I'm just furious that the cowboy game got an honor system but not the samurai game.
@@Aspect333-w9ojust play "the cowboy game"
There is a difference between RDR2 and Ghost of Tsushima. Arthur's story is a tale about a Wild West Outlaw, henceforth you can make the choice of living the life of an outlaw or become something more than who you are. Jin's story is about a man who destroys himself to save his people, it's a completely different mindset
Jin’s cry hunts me when he kills Lord Shimura.
I like how when you spare your uncle, your new home has pleasant weather and it's peaceful.
But if you murder your uncle, your new home is dark, stormy and chaotic.
Nice little touch there to show the difference between right and wrong.
Like why kill your family?
There was no need for it. 🙂
The cool color
I really wanted the White Ghost outfit so I could be more immersed when sneaking around in snowy areas , but man I felt horrible making Jin Kill him.
@@tootbender6935 I killed Shimura, but not with honor in mind. I killed him since he was a dick to Jin, but boy did it hurt to see Jin cry. I felt terrible after too.
Can you only get it by killing Shimura?@@tootbender6935
the shogun would have forced lord shimura to commit seppuku so he'd be done either way.
Its a shame but oh well, heres hoping for a sequel
Let's hope so. I have a few ideas that I would really like to see in a sequel. The game has so much potential to create an incredible game franchise. Thank you for watching the video and I hope you have a great day!
@@BaileyPoints The Ghost VS The Shogun... would be nice to have as a sequel
@@thomaschaumeil3878 nah he would never kill a samurai as technically he still is a samurai
@@Doraemon-vj5he I mean technically clan Sakai is disbanded so...
@@Deweyscape it is but he still has some respecc for samurai's so I don't believe jin will ever kill a samurai
Ive completed this game very recently and chose to spare shimura. I find it quite interesting that even if you kill him nothing really changes because that is the legend youve built as the ghost and to the shogun you are nothing but a traitor that will be hunted forever. Jin lost literally everything to save his people but he broke free of a code that would have destroyed him.
Seeing this kind of makes me wish there was some alternate path or ending if youve played as nothing but a samurai, but i think it would kind of ruin the story they were trying to tell here. That being said for everyone that did play as a pure samurai to still get called dishonourable and a traitor by lord shimura, I can understand why some are very disappointed by this ending.
The khan knew all the samurais tactics and how their traditions are purely honour bound so he knew exactly how to exploit it. The only thing he didnt account for was jin becoming the ghost since he realised to beat his enemy he must adapt which is what shimura and his samurai failed to do. What got me the most is you can see the pain in shimuras' eyes at what jin has become.. he doesn't want to do this but he must appease the shogun or his clan will be destroyed too
If anything jin sakai's samurai days are over, but as the ghost hes almost became the first ninja. Its a great story maybe one day we will get a sequel to the ghost.
i did this on my 1st playthrough and i remember the disappointment when jin just started saying dishonorable stuff in every cutscene after ive done everything right
Sparing lord Shinra has more emotional weight that killing him
I’ve beat this game a few times and could never bring myself to kill him lol
I was about to do this before i saw this video, glad it exists, its a good video
19:20 just realised dynamic dialogue here. Yuna tells you lines based on whatever side quests you have not completed yet. I completed all sidequests of main characters (norio, ishigawa, masako, etc.) but still had some mongol outposts left to liberate so Yuna didn't say the lines about Masako tracking her family's killers or ishigawa's rogue student. All she told me was there's still Mongols left to kill on Tsushima (talking about the Mongol bases I still hadn't cleared and the new ones the game adds after story completion)
Yeah same for me. She told me stuff about Norio thi
I think depending on how you fight in certain missions the NPCs will react and call you a monster if you use non samurai tactics. Like in the mission where you secure the Forge for Taka.
I just played the mission where you secure the forge. Taka said to me "I've never seen a samurai fight like that" while looking horrified, or sickened.
The entire fight, I stood outside and fought people with my sword, and used my bow on the archers.
I've been playing like a samurai, only doing otherwise when forced to by the game. I've found it disappointing how little that choice matters. The game still treats me like Jin is a ninja, constantly lurking in shadows and stabbing people in the back.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human dang
I did my best to be a honourable samurai but nothing changed
They really knocked it outta the park with this game. The beautiful scenery and music and camera angles and positions. Just wow. I really hope they keep this going with another game sooner than later.
I remember doing this in my first playthrough. I was so consumed by Jin's guilt that I refused to play the game the stealthy way. Let me tell you, lethal mode really did me horrendous cause I'd die like 100 times every mission trying to take on the onslaught of mongols. I always felt betrayed when Khotun called Jin dishonorable even after everything I did like tf did he mean😭. But I'll say that roleplay really was fun, despite the hoops I had to jump through and the lack of reward at the end. Kudos to you for doing this too. Keep up the good work!👏
i'm a little disapointed that the ending or the cutscenes don't really change unlike in games like spiderman web of shadows or red dead its kind of a missed opportunity you could play honorable and face the consequences good or bad or dishonorable and face those consequences be loyal to lord shimura or fight with terror and poison and be an anti hero.
I agree with you. I very much enjoyed the story, but I would of liked to see the games dialogue or cutscenes change based on your play style. However, the story is very linear and your play style has no actions. Something that I should mention, is that Sucker Punch recently confirmed that the weather will change to stormy weather when you use more of the Ghost tactics, which is very surprising. Maybe the story is like this, because Sucker Punch are planning on creating a sequel and they needed this story to be here for Jin’s origin. Thank you for watching and I hope you have a fantastic day!
9:38 I like how Shimura almost smiles in spite of himself
This is the confirmation I needed to show that all my stealth and point blank range arrow kills served a meaningful purpose 🤣
Only difference is the weather, that's why you have those clear sunny skies in your playthrough. Playing as the ghost harbours storms
I absolutely LOVE how powerful this scene is, even down to the clash of the red and white leaves!
I stealth killed no one i wasnt forced too. Refused to use the bow.
Yet i rescue my uncle, he calls me dishonourable and starts trying to force me against the people that helped rescue him. I put the game down and stopped playing.
I actually adored the game but that part of the game ruined the whole narrative for me
Using a bow is not dishonorable, unless it is a fire or explosive arrow, historically speaking, the samurai's main weapon was the bow and they only used the katana when the enemy was close.
@@edsonsantos9081 true but historically speaking samurai didn't practise honour in the way we in the west know it or this game portrays it, in fact their belief system cannot truly be called honour at all, it's more akin to a ranking for those most obedient to the heirarchy. By a traditional standard of chivalric honour a bow is extremely dishonourable as the opponent doesn't get to fight back. Add to the that the killing from a distance removing oneself from the danger means that it's one of the least honourable forms of combat and derided.
A samurai in every other culture outside Asia would be called a coward and a bully.
@@paul-antonywhatshisface3954 LOL exactly, like the enemy expecting you to stand like a tree while he chops your head off 😂😂😂
@@edsonsantos9081Fudge, you're telling me this now.... literally in one mission Sensei Ishikawa says that samurai can use the bow bruh
I just finished the game the first time, in Kurosawa mode. I can't wait to replay it and see these beautiful colors
I just played as if I was Jin. I couldnt spare Shimura when he was so eilling to send all our ppl to death. His pride would have been the downfall of all of Japan. Imo Shimura HAS to die and it had to be by Jins hand. Ghost of Tsushima 2 will cover the Shogun and Jin I bet.
Even 4 years after 100% the game, this still hurts and brings tears to my eyes.
That white fit is so sick tho. The only reason I wanna go back and end Lord Shimura so I can get that one
For a moment I thought that avoiding stealth kills would change the game's lore any bit, but nope it doesn't
Which is a relief for me, since I can use stealth and commit sweet stealth kills without any penalty, but I still prefer the loud gameplay (just like Jin said, samurai's life shouldn't be easy)
i've seen lot of people complaining bout the fact that there is no secret ending but it makes sens for a couple of reasons...
1. This game is more like a movie than anything else, guess what ? you don't change the outcome of a movie.
2. The whole game is based around that dilemma between what you've been taught and what NEED's to be done. Facing an army alone or with a couple of buddy head on like the bushido dictate would mean end of the game before it even starts... FFS The intro proves that fighting using only honor would just bring death to everyone... they tried to fight head on with 80 samurai, lost one instantly by sending adachi sama to his death for no reason (jin even had to lie to masako about his death lol), the rest got trashed and the only reason jin survived was because of yuna...
Also, the first time we have to kill someone with stealth it's mentioned that we cannot go gun blazing because there is an hostage, if the npc in the game were not that stupid you would not even be able to reach the cage before they would kill him therefore the "honor" would bring death of the innocent you swore to protect.
it's actually funny that shimura kept thinking that the bushido would save the people he swore to protect when when he heard the khan or whatever his name is litteraly say "i know all about you including how you fight and how to counter you all" ...
so to me no, having a secret ending where we fought with honor is stupid because it would mean sacrificing many life's, hostage and people who wanted to help even tho they were not samurai... throwing away these life is no honourable thing.
Could at least make the voicelines at least pretend the player is doing stuff instead of following a script, for example when you free Shimura and fight alongside him and allies, if you do ghost stuff he will still compliment you as if you were playing normally, another example during the escorting family to forge the NPCs will always be scared of the protagonist's fighting style regardless of what they did, etc.
If you did the quest for mongol armour nobody cares if you wear it even though the protag remarks how he wonders what his uncle would think of it after completing the quest and donning said armour, it might as well be a movie because god damn does it not give a damn what the player does
The game is called "Ghost of Tsushima" not "Samurai of Tsushima" they were obviously telling the story of how a lone Samurai warrior is forced to become more of a Shinobi to save his island. Wouldn't make sense for there to be 2 outcomes. Only sucks cause you have Samurai gear and might want to play as a Samurai
That ending still gives me goosebumps...
I have no honor, but i will not kill my family-Ghost
Just recently found out that Jin’s JP VA also does Zoro from One Piece and Mugen from Samurai Champloo
I've been doing my best to play honorable. Nothing gives me feelings of power quite like challenging some Mongol camp to a standoff then wrecking all of them.
If they made this a series, it would be spectacular. Like a Kurosawa tour de force
It seems that from the beginning you were going to have to become a shinobi. Some of the early missions required some level of stealth from what I recall. Im still playing it and not at the 30% mark as far as I know. Great game so far.
Almost all of Lady Masako's missions in her quest for revenge require Jin to be stealthy at the beginning and fight at the end.
Not to mention that Yuna's story missions require Jin to be discreet and assassinate his targets without being seen, especially in the mission of the 3 brothers where they are decapitated by Jin
Hats off for the dedication research my good sir 🫡
Appreciate it!
I love that most people use the ronin outfit on this mission, it makes it so much better and I was wondering if it was just me
The game forces you to wear the Ronin set. You can't change it for the entire mission sadly. But it makes sense, as you said.
@@poschraphael7 really? I never knew
One thing I've noticed is the dialogue changes depending on how many tales of Tsushima you complete or what quests you do before hand.. it doesn't change the overall story
Love the content btw
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoy the content!
It's not really fair, when Jin was the most honorable and the hero samurai that saved the japan, also sucker punch forced the idea of him not being honorable.
He says to Yuriko that he is only using the poison until the end of the war. Khan's death.
A second game with the honour Jin Sakai deserves(without poison) is a must, I'm not buying the ghost of yotei.
I fought hard for this ending!
You really did!
Is this the real jin sakai
I am a big fan
Nauti Eyes no he’s not the real Jin... Jin is not real he’s a factional character..., and he’s a wannabe Jin
@@faz0ulz r/whoosh
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Geez, you're fun at parties I bet
Had this thought too, but figured it was gonna stay the same since there wasnt many moment you could make any decisions besides the mission were u save the husband or the monk... hopefully the new game gives us more choices!
Bro I’m kinda mad that they didn’t at least give us a choice to what path we want to take.
Thank you for the hard work legend
would have loved to see a samurai ending, but i do think the lack of it is to better set up a sequel
According to DLC it seems Lord Shimura survived. The game foces you to spare Shimura from the Iki DLC. Which was also my choice to spare Lord Shimura because like what the Shogun and Lord Shimura told Jin. He was no longer a Samurai and the Sakai clan was disbanded so its only reasonable to turn your back and be a fugitive.
They should add a option to stay with the samurai or become the ghost
I would choose samurai
There is that option can you guess what it is
Killing youre uncle and honoring his death like a samurai or spare him and disregard his wish like a ghost
If there's a part where you can choose to be a samurai, that will result in abandoning your bond with Yuna and seeing her as an outlaw
Sorry for not tuning in I’ve been a usual but i had a slight eye problem so I couldn’t watch any devices but I finally can
I’m so sad and mad at these endings
It's odd that Sucker Punch went for a choice given ending, rather than an ending based on your honor which they are known for from the Infamous games. Let's just hope that we got this ending to lay the foundation for the story in Ghost of Tsushima 2 and that game follows an honor system. Thanks for watching this video and I hope you have a fantastic day!
@@BaileyPoints yeah I agree and you too
I think jin sakais fathers armor is designed after one of the support characters in the movie, The Last Samurai in which tom cruise is the main character.
If only there was a “Throw Yuna under the bus” option and more Karma.
I also wish that the Sakai Estate would be replaced with other Samurai, giving you the option to full rogue and start killing Samurai who are mistreating the people.
Honestly, i was hoping that after the story concluded that the New Samurai would act more similar to thugs than actually helping out and even used the Sakai Estate as a camp, and even going far enough as to destroy the Sakai clan flag.
I think you missed one. I think when you go to rescue your uncle. If you assassinate from the back, khotun khan will add “…im finding my people stabbed in the back, its quite dishonorable for a samurai” or something in that phrase during shimuras & khotuna dialogue in the resure of lord shimura mission but if dont assassinate he wont add it in
Yeah how
I havent even played the game or know to much about lord shimura but when you kill him i almost cried
It is a very emotional moment in the game. Thank you for watching the video and I hope you have a great day!
They missed a big opportunity to have branching stories based on your playstyle. Still one of my favorite games.
Man it was hard not to cry when Jin had to kill lord Shimura
I wanted to hug him so bad when I made him do that. Everything he went through was hard af.
He didn't have to. And considering he'd already broken all Bushido codes why would he? Lord Shimura likely would recover and survive. Just like Ryuzon did after his first fight with him.
@@TownBiness97 well yeah but I was talking about the scene where Jin does kill him but I know what you're saying
What I like about this game is I started honorable and didn't kill like the ghost, but I got to this one part where I hit a wall and tried the ghost tactics and the game made a huge deal of it. I have not forgotten the point where I broke my honor in game.
This ending was different from mine. I choose to spare him and then I spawned in a different hut in a different location with it being sunny and no storms in a red suit.
Did you play stealthly?
@@Gazzoosethe1 Maybe. In most games I play that allows stealth I usually take the stealthy route
i think, to be safe, only use y / triangle attacks, because you can execute someone who is staggered accidentally if you do a normal attack, whcih also counts as dishonorable
Wow, what a struggle. You the real MVP!
It was a huge struggle. Thanks for watching and I hope you have an incredible day!
What changed I think is the ghost armor dye you get after that scene, I went full-on Ghost so I got the Red dye, Instead of white.
Yep there was no emotional weight to Jin's choice to do dishonorable things fighting the Mongols since you the player have no choice. It would have been great to have an honorable path for every mission, even if that path was much harder. Then the choice would have emotional weight.
live honorably today and you will not succeed in todays world. you get exploited instead. that is the reality of today. unless your parents are rich and provide you with money so you can succeed by default.
How does any of that factor into the emotional weight of the final fight?
after having watched Shogun, i think it would have been more dramatic if lord shimura committed seppuku and Jin was his second.
Why does the game have to be so sad though😭😭
I love this game. It was so well written, the soundtrack especially when you get ghost mode for the first time chasing the mongels. The one thing I could not stand and I had it when games do this is the enemy tracking. The teleporting or gliding. You clearly dodge an attack and the enemy just nanchalantly redirects towards you or floats towards you. This only happened on the higher difficulties because they didn't want peole to just dodge easily out of the way but that is so stupid that they did that. When you get chased by a spearmans thrust for like 50yards because the game is programed to have the enemies attack to hit you unless you do a PERFECT dodge is annoying as hell.
I can't count how many times I've dodge an attack only for the enemy to redirect while coming down to hit me or to track me even though I dodged behind them.
Still amazing game but I pray they remove enemy tracking. You can make games difficult without purposely programming in heat seeking missle meelee attacks.
It would’ve been cool if there had been options in the game not to break Jins samurai code of honour and if you stayed a samurai Lord Shimura would have adopted you as a son and the Shogun gave you a Reward for Defeating the Kahn
That doesn't make sense in the context of the story though. Jon states repeatedly that he had to do what he did in order to save his people because the Khan knew the samurai tactics and was winning because of it.
However I do agree with you, I would have liked different endings. I mostly played straight samurai combat
Jin*
Thank you so much for making this! I wondered about this ever since the game came out!
I kinda want to just play as a samurai and be honorable so I don’t break the family’s code but the melee combat is just pretty fun
I really like the gameplay detail of Jin going from Samurai to Ghost. At first you probably want to stick to being a Samurai(At least that's how I felt) but as the game goes on and it gets harder and harder to rely on open combat which forces you to use more stealthy, dishonorable tactics. Then it all comes together when you poison the camp, you and Jin have had to adopt less than pleasant tactics to win. No Honor? Yes, but living is worth more than honor (In my opinion)
But it can also mean your're just bad at swordfighting 😅😂 (no hate lol joke)
Don’t know about anyone else but I killed lord Shimura because he’s the reason the horse died
I’ve asked what if I’ll play like a samurai entire game. So, you did it for us, thank you!
Here is a good question what if you never get the blowgun and never use poison so at end of game will Lord shimura mention to Jin Sakai about using poison if not than that will be something
You need to get the blowgun to progress in the story. Then there is the scene were Jin uses the poison to kill the Mongols later on in the story, which can't be changed. There is no way of avoiding the use of poison. Thank you for watching and I hope you have a great day!
I know but I manage to get the armor with out getting poison at all and I am about to kill Lord shimura
god that ending will never not be chilling
In my opinion Jin had far more honor than anyone, those who claimed to have honor had none and died with none, for there is no honor in death, only in life
Thanks for trying haha , i eagerly expected some hidden secret ending but i guess there is just 1 ending , i don't think devs will ever make a hidden ending as the game is named ghost of Tsushima and canonically Jhin becomes the ghost as he does what he must to survive and save his people
I wish you could choose the honourable path. It would add more spice to the game.
Part of me wishes i'd known my general use of the ghost skills wouldn't matter to the narrative, because there is a whole side of the game I just never engaged with. And part of me is glad the game fooled me into thinking my combat choices mattered because I was so immersed. It was a totally different experience playing than I would have had otherwise.
there should've been a meter for samurai and ghost
I hope they add this sort of feature in Ghost of Tsushima 2.