2022 Elantra N DCT vs Dodge Charger Hemi 5.7 Daytona, closer than expected. Drag and Roll Race.

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  • 2022 Elantra N DCT vs Dodge Charger Hemi 5.7 Daytona, closer than expected. Drag and Roll Race.
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  • @RedKeyCam
    @RedKeyCam ปีที่แล้ว +188

    sam so ahead of the game when
    Alexander Bell invented the phone he had 2 missed calls from him

    • @SamCarLegion
      @SamCarLegion  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @Nick_Gir
      @Nick_Gir ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sam should spend less time on the phone and more time learning how to launch the hellcats or SRTs

    • @modiddly1663
      @modiddly1663 ปีที่แล้ว

      Elite comment

    • @juanchappelle4428
      @juanchappelle4428 ปีที่แล้ว

      So far behind

    • @vfonte218
      @vfonte218 ปีที่แล้ว

      He is terrible at launch and I pointed out one time....and he got offended.

  • @tony71bowens
    @tony71bowens ปีที่แล้ว +733

    There's nothing like the sound of a powerful V-8 engine and for a four cylinder car the Hyundai Elandra N is a beast for its class .

    • @tanthaman
      @tanthaman ปีที่แล้ว +4

      All bark no bite for the elantra

    • @ranran2218
      @ranran2218 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      @@tanthaman I mean on the 2nd dig it was dead even and in a roll it was better than the Daytona charger so the it's clear which one is all bark and no bite

    • @Youcallthesebagels_
      @Youcallthesebagels_ ปีที่แล้ว +64

      @@tanthaman Elantra is clearly the faster car lol. Someone’s in denial 😂

    • @philamguambomb
      @philamguambomb ปีที่แล้ว +52

      @@tanthaman the Elantra is the faster car. Did you see the races when the original owner is behind the wheel? These are straight line races too. Now put them on a road course the Elantra would eat the Charger alive. It won't even be close.

    • @nicholasnelson3791
      @nicholasnelson3791 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ranran2218 got me dead asf with your first reply 😂😂😂

  • @mikeyfourbarrel8473
    @mikeyfourbarrel8473 ปีที่แล้ว +338

    I’d never consider the FWD turbo if the RWD V8 was an option but Hyundai is trying very hard these days and I have to admit that I’m a fan. The N cars are super cool.

    • @TheRealCatof
      @TheRealCatof ปีที่แล้ว +29

      RWD V8 is fine, until you hit rain, dirt, or snow.

    • @GamingWitRad
      @GamingWitRad ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I wish the N cars were awd 😩

    • @chrishuber8930
      @chrishuber8930 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GamingWitRad wait until the coupe awd comes thats going to be amazing

    • @GamingWitRad
      @GamingWitRad ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chrishuber8930 no way !!! 🤯

    • @SSKev121
      @SSKev121 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@chrishuber8930 Unlikely. Same reason the Sonata/K5 aren't AWD in the top engines, they don't want to take sales away from the G70/Stinger

  • @FAISAL-eu5ve
    @FAISAL-eu5ve ปีที่แล้ว +49

    That black guy was a better driver.

    • @edelthe_king8239
      @edelthe_king8239 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He also weighed less than the other guy driving which can influence the race variables very differently

    • @sabbydabb9091
      @sabbydabb9091 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@edelthe_king8239or maybe , and hear me out, it’s his actual car like Sam said in the video and he knows how to keep it in the power-band correctly. It honestly sounds like you don’t even own a car 😂😂

    • @burntchickenwingss
      @burntchickenwingss 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      True the beige dude didn’t know what he was doing. He left TC on and drove like he didn’t know the car

    • @Durk.29
      @Durk.29 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sam is just fat

  • @hunped9890
    @hunped9890 ปีที่แล้ว +308

    I test drove an EN yesterday and was very surprised at the overall quality & comfort of the interior. It's something that just cannot be conveyed over a video. Was expecting the ride and seats to be uncomfortably stiff. Especially after driving the GTI and WRX, my expectations for the EN were pretty low. To tell the truth, I couldn't believe how well it handled bumps on the road. Also, the seat comfort (both front and back) was extremely good. Would highly recommend anyone looking into cars around this price range to sit in, and drive all the options.

    • @hunped9890
      @hunped9890 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Also, overall quality of the buttons on the dash and steering wheel had a quality feel to them.

    • @postalpancho
      @postalpancho ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You were impressed because you have low expectations. Quality is not a word I would use to define Hyundai product. Value would be more suitable for Hyundai products. I’m just going to assume this is your first new car.

    • @hunped9890
      @hunped9890 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@postalpancho Also, you're right. The EN is the first new car I've EVER been in. Coming from a Flintstonemobile, I have never been in anything with functioning A/C let alone a windshield 🤯. Obviously I know nothing and the insight I give is worth about as much as the gum on the bottom of my shoe. I might as well give up before I hit rock bottom.

    • @chrishuber8930
      @chrishuber8930 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@postalpancho you obviously havent been in a new hyundai anytime recently

    • @postalpancho
      @postalpancho ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@chrishuber8930 jeez, Hyundai owners are the new version of “Honda Vtec yo”. Why you kids so triggered? Saying Hyundai is a value brand is not news. It isn’t a BMW and it’s not trying to be, the Elantra is a sporty econobox. Why is it offensive to point out the obvious? Don’t get your panties in a bunch. Definitely not my cup of tea, but if you’re okay with Walmart grade interior then that’s cool. You do you.

  • @theyluvquiceENT
    @theyluvquiceENT ปีที่แล้ว +144

    Watching the Elantra’s evolve over the years is amazing 🥰 I have a 2013 nd love it

    • @martikacordis7654
      @martikacordis7654 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I got the 19 and I loooovee it especially hitting that sport mode button 🥴🥴🥴

    • @biglee13m
      @biglee13m ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I had a 2011 (same gen) Elantra. That thing is indestructible. 3 accidents, 2 airbag deployments, thoroughly abused. Still drove like new. Zero issue other than collision repairs. Now I'm driving a Genesis. #upgrade

    • @issavibez394
      @issavibez394 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Junk

    • @lruiz7127
      @lruiz7127 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@issavibez394 💁‍♀️

    • @Dhusstlee
      @Dhusstlee ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i got a 2019

  • @2averagenoobs108
    @2averagenoobs108 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    ngl definitely earned my sub because you talked about the specs, and then got straight to the racing instead of a 40 minute intro, then talking about the specs for another half hour and 2 mins of actual racing. Love it

  • @NismoFanatic
    @NismoFanatic ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Those pops n bangs from the Elantra N 🔥🔥🔥.
    It’s sounds like that from the factory too

  • @randallmeans9797
    @randallmeans9797 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I went from a Veloster N to a Elantra N. It is hands down the most fun bang for the buck car on the market from what I've experienced. Resonator delete, jb4 tuned on E30, and you're good to go. So much freaking fun!!!!

    • @deangelrodriguez
      @deangelrodriguez ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Does the stock fuel system do fine on the Elantra N for E30 I just got my JB4 for mine

    • @randallmeans9797
      @randallmeans9797 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@deangelrodriguez yes, but you have to make sure you test the ethanol content regardless. Ethanol tester is like $12 on Amazon. You will have a slight misfire if you purchase low quality 93 or low ethanol content at e85 if you're mixing it yourself. I also swapped plugs to ngks. Watch "pattybois" video on that instead of paying an arm and a leg for the HKS plugs. You have everything set up correctly it'll make it feel like a completely different car. It'll blow your freaking mind!!!

    • @ramsey6839
      @ramsey6839 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah I traded my Veloster N for a Kona N and I love it so much more practical for me and quicker also.

    • @08turboSS
      @08turboSS 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂 The KN is slower not quicker beause its 300 lbs heaver, unless your Vn was a stick.

  • @larrysilverman2099
    @larrysilverman2099 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    I own a 22 Kona N and I gotta tell ya, it launches with zero wheel hop which is surprising because I just traded in my 19 Veloster N and it had brutal wheel hop prior to installing the Boomba lower torque mount which took care of the wheel hop completely. I’m definitely gonna add the aftermarket torque mount to the Kona as well as intercooler and intake. The N cars are killing the competition right now in my humble opinion.

    • @2eroumgme753
      @2eroumgme753 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thinking about making the same jump. One thing I like about my 13 VT is squeezing into spaces. Is the Kona N a huge jump forward with the size when compared to the VT?

    • @Corkoth55
      @Corkoth55 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My dealership has had a Kona N in the showroom for a dang while now. I guess it's hard to sell a FWD SUV in Connecticut lol

    • @2eroumgme753
      @2eroumgme753 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Corkoth55 Lol an SUV you might need to get towed out of something isn't worth it

    • @pantloaded
      @pantloaded ปีที่แล้ว +18

      If the N was AWD it would sell like fuckin crazy

    • @sn4rl277
      @sn4rl277 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pantloaded Weight and added cost would make it slower and less attractive to those wanting to get a little speed for under $37k.

  • @NAHASNAS
    @NAHASNAS ปีที่แล้ว +28

    OH MAN THAT'S SOO INSANE.AM SURPRISED WITH THAT ELANTRA'S PERFORMANCE.

  • @SlvrWlf88
    @SlvrWlf88 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    That is truly impressive for an Elantra it has absolutely no business going up against that charger but it's hanging with it bettee than it needs to be

    • @mharro88
      @mharro88 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      It destroys it around a track

    • @JavaBallAnimation
      @JavaBallAnimation ปีที่แล้ว +6

      definitely worth it for the price

    • @Foebaned
      @Foebaned ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They're throwing mild stage 1 tunes on these things an they're rocking 325 whp and no engine issues so far.

    • @youngrios
      @youngrios ปีที่แล้ว +2

      5.7 is slow asf

    • @NOLJ
      @NOLJ ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@youngrios Elantra is a light car with around 290hp , imagine it being 4000lb , or the Charger being 3300lb with 375hp

  • @Tistan01
    @Tistan01 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The Elantra N has no business hanging with the American drag racing machines, but here it is putting up a good fight for it's class. Have to say, major props to Hyundai.

    • @Justaeuropeanman
      @Justaeuropeanman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Charger RT 5.7 is no drag racing machine The hell you talking about 😂 it’s the slowest V8 in the world. Had a rental Nissan Altima VC Turbo when my Mustang GT got hit and I raced my brothers Challenger 5.7 hemi and smoked him😂 now he wants to get rid of it after loosing to Altima

    • @Tistan01
      @Tistan01 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Justaeuropeanman It's probably a weight difference, but hell even more props to Nissan for doing something like that lol

    • @tylerolson5860
      @tylerolson5860 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Weight is a mother fucker isnt it? LOL. So is that dinosaur chassis in the dodge and no DCT trans either.

    • @caedyncew7042
      @caedyncew7042 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Justaeuropeanman biggest lie I’ve ever read 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 no altima or maxima is even coming close to a 5.7 hemi and this is coming from someone who used to own a vr30 twin turbo Q50 even it wasn’t as fast as the RT🤣 cut out the lies for the internet kid you people our delusional if you believe this 💀

    • @randyrager1310
      @randyrager1310 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hyundai was putting out 4.6 and 5.0 v8's in their sedans 10+ years ago that could gap modern charger RT's

  • @yeetus59
    @yeetus59 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    6:43 tip during the roll races for a car to have optimal acceleration it needs to be in the correct gear. The Elantra upshifted twice on that roll race and the Charger got the jump because the elantra had to downshift again to get back into its power band. 2nd gear is the universal sweet spot for most cars at 50km/h

    • @GearHeads09
      @GearHeads09 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Had to leave the owner drive it!

    • @davidgriggs3967
      @davidgriggs3967 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @yeetus
      The owner in the first roll brake boosted it on the line which helped aswell.

    • @2seep
      @2seep 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah drivers mod is necessary to have a good race.

  • @5xgi
    @5xgi ปีที่แล้ว +26

    That N is a hidden 💎

    • @MeltingRubberZ28
      @MeltingRubberZ28 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is it really hidden

    • @j9yninefr976
      @j9yninefr976 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MeltingRubberZ28 From someone who just purchased one, multiple times on Hyundai’s website and at the dealership itself it was very little mentioned or advertised. I searched for months for cars and got recommended just about everything new on the market and considered Hyundai from ads for the Sonata N Line, and never saw the N at all until I found it looking through their whole catalog

  • @acura4utoo
    @acura4utoo ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Such an exciting race! Both sound so good in their respective ways.

  • @xaionik
    @xaionik ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Shocking to see the Elantra hold its own.

    • @LordHolley
      @LordHolley ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Me to, and I own one!

    • @yourmanzach2307
      @yourmanzach2307 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LordHolley i got the kona n. ive owned many cars and this is the best!

  • @esoterikk1
    @esoterikk1 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    A lower motor mount completely removes wheel hop entirely. The factory one is basically a rubber band to lower NVH and it causes the motor to shake which moves the trans and let's the wheels move forward and back as the axle moves. A lower motor mount removes this and the car just spins flat instead.

    • @cindysue5474
      @cindysue5474 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In my Kona N that was the first thing I replaced Sixth engineering motor mount day night difference.

    • @Courtesyflush52
      @Courtesyflush52 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Another option is replacing the rubber bushings rather than the entire mount. A harder bushing material significantly reduces wheel hop but still dampens the more extreme vibrations. The stiff motor mounts are great, but day to day driving starts to get a little less comfortable

  • @toddstevens8506
    @toddstevens8506 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Just goes to show how much difference the driver makes.

    • @darryltaylor8708
      @darryltaylor8708 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      At least I'm not the only one who thinks the same thing Sam can't drive lol he's not the worst but can't drive lol

    • @JulyOverland
      @JulyOverland ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sam shifts well though (manual)

    • @darryltaylor8708
      @darryltaylor8708 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@JulyOverland don't get how he loses every race then when someone else gets in the car they win 😂😂

    • @toddstevens8506
      @toddstevens8506 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JulyOverland Well enough to lose. I would suggest he leaves it in auto.

    • @tony71bowens
      @tony71bowens ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You don't know how right you are !!👍👍

  • @revelare_xvii6269
    @revelare_xvii6269 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    That’s still hella fast for a FWD car. It’s actually impressive that a stock Elantra managed to keep pace with a Charger.

    • @SSKev121
      @SSKev121 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      No its impressive the 5.7 Charger didn't lose badly. They are really quite terrible 0-60 and 1/4 mile performers for pony cars. Until you get into the 392 or above models they are quite slow. Most of the 5.7L variants are a low 14 car stock.

    • @rodneystanley1295
      @rodneystanley1295 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SSKev121 we’ve had bone stock 5.7 hit 13.5 here in Florida

    • @SSKev121
      @SSKev121 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rodneystanley1295 Never seen one get better than a 13.95x in my area, and thats with the perfect mix of cool enough temperatures for power, but not too cold for traction and a tailwind. Meanwhile 5.0s are dropping 12.9 to 13.1 in the same weather. Now you throw bolt ons and better tires and the times improve, but I prefer to compare stock, since anything can be modded and improved.

    • @hotballer02
      @hotballer02 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The rt needs a better diff in them to actually put the power to use I use to own one once I upgrade its so much better

    • @OctonaBoyFresh
      @OctonaBoyFresh ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@SSKev121 Remember, a DAYTONA is not a regular 5.7 bro

  • @otpyrc
    @otpyrc ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Nice match, this one had me on the edge of my seat, I love neck to neck races.

  • @n2productions
    @n2productions ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Had a ton of fun racing Jake again! Thanks for getting us together for this, Sam! Sad we won't be seeing the Daytona anymore, but I know Jake will be back with a real beast!

    • @SamCarLegion
      @SamCarLegion  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thank you - for supporting my channel as always:)

    • @KenzySostuuupid
      @KenzySostuuupid ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Bro... please... use the freaking paddle shifters... if you drop that 5.7 in 2nd on a roll. You will win

    • @juanchappelle4428
      @juanchappelle4428 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sam will lose no matter what he is driving. The clips prove it. Loses every time after time!!!!$$$$$$$ to the other drivers who whip him

    • @juanchappelle4428
      @juanchappelle4428 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Another run?

    • @KenzySostuuupid
      @KenzySostuuupid ปีที่แล้ว

      @@juanchappelle4428 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @TBISYTC
    @TBISYTC ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I'm thoroughly impressed with that Elantra...

  • @ZayXclusivexclsuiveENT
    @ZayXclusivexclsuiveENT ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have more in depth content/vlogs with the EN on my channels for those interested!🤟🏽

  • @Itr-tv7kt
    @Itr-tv7kt ปีที่แล้ว +59

    it's hard to believe a hyundai beating a v8 .. wow
    Hyundai came a long way.. that's crazy

    • @rickitysplitz7035
      @rickitysplitz7035 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Have you forgotten the weight of this Charger?

    • @nokoolaid
      @nokoolaid ปีที่แล้ว +12

      1000lbs difference.

    • @drevro
      @drevro ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rickitysplitz7035 cause they never changed their design till now

    • @turbo1997hsm
      @turbo1997hsm ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The 2012 Genesis 5.0 r-spec was faster than a Charger Rt. It was right with the srt-8 of the same year.

    • @nathanlopez5667
      @nathanlopez5667 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@turbo1997hsm yeah that car was a beast they should have put that engine in the Genesis Coupe it would have beat everything

  • @mikeb3023
    @mikeb3023 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Lower motor mount bushing for the N will take care of almost all the wheel hop. Got my own EN 2 weeks ago

  • @RobertYayo
    @RobertYayo ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That 8 speed DCT is no joke shifting without powerloss

  • @ByAlzne
    @ByAlzne ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Always a good time as usual Sam! Was a fun last race for the charger! Sad to see it go but can’t wait to see the outcomes from the new car 👀

  • @bradmorin5427
    @bradmorin5427 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Love my N even more now.

  • @bitemyshinnymetalass1569
    @bitemyshinnymetalass1569 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I like the pops coming out of the Elantra N exhaust. 🤩

  • @paradigmmime1223
    @paradigmmime1223 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I've been selling hyundais for 9 years. Hyundai has came a long way, not just performance wise, but technology and infotainment. The screens and technology beats most if not all makes who it competes with, even some luxury makes. It especially beats Dodge's interior 😄

    • @ControversialRealness
      @ControversialRealness ปีที่แล้ว

      Not scats or hellcats interior 2020 and up

    • @8dtuneess342
      @8dtuneess342 ปีที่แล้ว

      What tech and infotainment does a Hyundai have that no one else does i keep seeing people say this❤️

    • @j9yninefr976
      @j9yninefr976 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@8dtuneess342 Better customization, it’s really fast, gauges more stats than others, great smartphone integration, that kinda stuff. It’s not anything super high tech just good options and speed

    • @8dtuneess342
      @8dtuneess342 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@j9yninefr976 absolutely false BMW has the best infotainment system in the car business 💯

    • @8dtuneess342
      @8dtuneess342 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@j9yninefr976 also Hyundai infotainment system is very basic, its no better than Toyota 🤷🏽‍♂️ but hey thats just my opinion

  • @mik55tv22
    @mik55tv22 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Driver makes a huge difference noticed when Sam stepped out and the owner of the hyundai drove instead he walked that dodge because it's his car and he knows how to get the best out of it

  • @dadzfitness7253
    @dadzfitness7253 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Interesting race! The Continental tires I believe for the 5.7 Charger helped for better runs! 🍻

    • @jaredgonzalez8421
      @jaredgonzalez8421 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have them on my daytona 5.7 they grip great

    • @jugobetrugo7213
      @jugobetrugo7213 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      nah its fwd vs rwd.
      elantra builts torque instantly and has no grip in 1st gear while the daytona gets torque in the mid /high rpm.
      i guess if the elantra was awd it would smoke the daytona

    • @roboticvenom1935
      @roboticvenom1935 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@jugobetrugo7213 if the elantra was AWD the price would balloon, it'd be significantly heavier, and it'd make less power, shite

    • @jugobetrugo7213
      @jugobetrugo7213 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@roboticvenom1935 why less power? Amg has 360hp awd a class

    • @roboticvenom1935
      @roboticvenom1935 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@jugobetrugo7213 AWD systems have more drivetrain loss. A FWD car has around 13% loss normally, AWD is normally 20+%.
      A 300HP FWD car will pull on a 300HP AWD car
      Just look how little power the WRX STI puts down, often as low as 255WHP despite having 310HP. Elantra N puts down 280WHP

  • @hunped9890
    @hunped9890 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Absolutely LOVE these videos. Gonna be ordering an EN soon. Plan to get it sometime around March

    • @manuelsedillo4849
      @manuelsedillo4849 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Mine come in two days!

    • @devn3813
      @devn3813 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You’ll love it

    • @ZayXclusivexclsuiveENT
      @ZayXclusivexclsuiveENT ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Make sure you order the 2023 not and the 2022 model!!

    • @vurshawn1358
      @vurshawn1358 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZayXclusivexclsuiveENT yuhhhh

    • @tanthaman
      @tanthaman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All bark no bite for the elantra

  • @gabemonterola2434
    @gabemonterola2434 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    That V8 sounds hella good 👍

  • @cliffelmore5834
    @cliffelmore5834 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love a good close race. Great video.

  • @christianservin7635
    @christianservin7635 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Would’ve loved to see the FK8 against the charger on a roll ❤️🫡 great video brother

    • @TheBb6prelude
      @TheBb6prelude ปีที่แล้ว +1

      FK8 should take it no problem on a roll. Only way it'll have a chance in a dig is have a front wheel drive veteran racer and air down the stock tires.

  • @oscarmj81
    @oscarmj81 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I’d pay for the v8 sound but the N is an amazing car though

    • @AZ-hf9ow
      @AZ-hf9ow ปีที่แล้ว +15

      After getting whoop by 4 bangers, you're gonna feel degraded. 392 is the lowest you'll want to go TRUST 😆

    • @brokentradgedy
      @brokentradgedy ปีที่แล้ว +15

      v8 sounds trash....N sounds way better and i'm not even a Hyundai fan

    • @4sbel885
      @4sbel885 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      the 5.7 hemi v8s are one of the worst sounding v8s imo, the elantra sounded a bit nicer

    • @Genny2Turbos
      @Genny2Turbos ปีที่แล้ว

      lol you getting the slowest v8 “sports car” of all time ugly boat

    • @vintagetriplex3728
      @vintagetriplex3728 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The 5.7 is an old slow dinosaur engine anyways. It doesn't matter if you are driving it right or not. The 5.7 can only race 4 cylinders. And there are some four cylinders out there that can easily gap your 5.7. for example: the Mercedes A45 will outrun you easily.

  • @mhkeuns
    @mhkeuns ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Elantra N is seriously impressive. Can’t wait to see more N cars from Hyundai. Sonata N would be interesting & maybe a beastly Palisades N would also be interesting.

    • @TheoriginalBMT
      @TheoriginalBMT ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You should check out their latest N Day video. The RN 22E and the N74...

    • @Freddy_Confetti
      @Freddy_Confetti ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rt is the impressive one

    • @billyallen7690
      @billyallen7690 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I need a Sonata N in my life. I have a Sonata N Line right now, but I know it would be so much better as an N edition.

    • @exk343
      @exk343 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@billyallen7690I doubt they would make a N variant sadly

  • @lydellbell4638
    @lydellbell4638 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've enjoyed All Races so far competitive and even the not so competitive I think I like to see the we should say the under achieving cars do better than the ones expected to win and also a race with true stock only challenges Great share appreciate you Always for taking the time to set up these Goals stay safe 😀

  • @GloomToon
    @GloomToon ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I’d still get an rt just off the fact that hemis are being discontinued. What I wouldn’t do is get an rt for more than 30k though because in my opinion you’re better off getting a previous Gen srt8 or used scat

    • @ryanw5584
      @ryanw5584 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yea dude it hurts bc fully loaded RTs are going for 50k right now. Even though it's the car I want. I can't justify it

    • @FRESNOSTATE1559
      @FRESNOSTATE1559 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They cost like that because they are reliable, maybe cheap plastic here and there. My 09 Challenger has over 253k no check engine never had major issues just the fuel pump two years ago, around same time my alternator,oil pressure sensor and that’s just about it. I got a 0-60 in 5.8 seconds stock,still has peck with a 14.3 second 1/4 out in Phoenix some months back.

    • @Symphoniics
      @Symphoniics ปีที่แล้ว

      I recently acquired a stronger desire for the Charger than I’d like to admit…and I did so just in time for it to get discontinued and go up in price. Feels bad man…

    • @ryanw5584
      @ryanw5584 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Symphoniics I said fuck it and found a used 2020 RT in Hell Raisin. And pulled the trigger, no regrets

    • @Symphoniics
      @Symphoniics ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ryanw5584 See, I would, but I just refinanced my car and plopped a hefty $10k on it in the process. Wish I woulda waited and traded in my current car (2021 Kia Forte GT) and used the $10k as a down payment on the Charger. Congrats on your RT!!! I’m glad you managed to snag one in this market

  • @GPMAX01
    @GPMAX01 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What is the suspension and wheel specs on the charger? Looks fantastic? What kind of wheels/size and offset.?

  • @blancomusic
    @blancomusic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Close Races ! 🔥🔥🔥With interesting outcomes . 😃

  • @ultraviolettp3446
    @ultraviolettp3446 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hyundai/Kia/Genesis are serious contenders these days in almost all classes. The fact that an Elantra can even run with a Charger would have been laughed at 5 years ago. Today H/K/G is no longer a joke - they are starting to dictate things!

    • @djzulumask2138
      @djzulumask2138 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s the slowest charger there is….the slowest v8 there is…

    • @j9yninefr976
      @j9yninefr976 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@djzulumask2138 Big difference between slowest V8 charger and slowest charger lol. Most you see driving around now are V6

  • @allenleroy9109
    @allenleroy9109 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Can’t wait till Hyundai release the N Vision 74 to the public!

    • @GummyRiches
      @GummyRiches ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that would be historical

    • @T8Videography
      @T8Videography ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I really hope they actually make it

    • @GummyRiches
      @GummyRiches ปีที่แล้ว

      @@T8Videography same here.

    • @n2productions
      @n2productions ปีที่แล้ว

      Doubt we'll get that exact car, but hopefully its DNA trickles down to near-future models

    • @allenleroy9109
      @allenleroy9109 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@n2productions yeah, unfortunately it’s just a concept to show the world Hyundai’s capabilities. The do that from time to time. 😒😒😒

  • @Mycameron2323
    @Mycameron2323 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The Car literally sounded like it was going to snap in half with that wheel hop

    • @Soul_Flow_
      @Soul_Flow_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ,but it doesn't. Why the hate?

    • @Muddmonkeyy
      @Muddmonkeyy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wheel hop is so disgusting I'm sad they didn't address it from factory

    • @Mycameron2323
      @Mycameron2323 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Soul_Flow_ what do you mean it doesn't? It's quite obvious they just threw a powerful engine in and slapped a N badge

    • @shobin05
      @shobin05 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Mycameron2323 You just summed up literally the ENTIRE dodge SRT line up...

    • @erickcera3020
      @erickcera3020 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mycameron2323 the hate lmfao

  • @KubanKevin
    @KubanKevin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those new Elantra’s don’t mess around.

  • @imbroseidon1393
    @imbroseidon1393 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was alot closer than I thought! Wow!

  • @priapicpear4200
    @priapicpear4200 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I laughed so hard at the wheel hop on the Hyundai 😂. I heard it and couldn't stop laughing. Great race Sam! Love that Elantra N.

    • @Soul_Flow_
      @Soul_Flow_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ,what's so funny about that?

    • @tyhyhh
      @tyhyhh ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Soul_Flow_ bad engineering

    • @Soul_Flow_
      @Soul_Flow_ ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@tyhyhh , and Elantra N is able to beat the V8 car, so what does that make of Dodge Charger. Not to mention Elantra N is more reliable, not a gas guzzler, more technologically advanced, and handles way better.

    • @priapicpear4200
      @priapicpear4200 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Soul_Flow_ it's funny because I know the pain of tire hop while racing with a front wheel drive car. I had a civic that did it so much before I got bigger tires on it.

    • @Highlander1432
      @Highlander1432 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just needs sticky tires

  • @BP-fx3qc
    @BP-fx3qc ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Don't know whether I should be surprised for the N or disappointed in the RT.

  • @flyguy5941
    @flyguy5941 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just bought a 2023 Elantra N with the 6 speed manual.. only driven 56 miles so and so far 😻

  • @jameswig6761
    @jameswig6761 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My wife bought a white '22 Charger Daytona 5.7, for the V-8 sound! She knows the limitations of it vs other cars stop light to stop light! My '21 Accord Sport 2.0 can hang with it pretty well too. Charger, damn good looking, heavy as hell, but still fun! I do like that Elantra N though!

  • @user-kg7xr8hk7n
    @user-kg7xr8hk7n ปีที่แล้ว +5

    N is an amazing race car for real money.

  • @johnhammond6225
    @johnhammond6225 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is how I felt the first time I raced a Ford focus ST after they got the overhaul. Was used to destroying 4 bangers and it was like a car behind me the entire time. Impressive.

  • @AcuraChannel
    @AcuraChannel ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice runs!! I like to catch a run with one of those Elantras!😎

  • @CornPop_s_grandson
    @CornPop_s_grandson ปีที่แล้ว

    I had on of those R/T Daytona’s too but how did he get the Scat Pak grill?

  • @FurkanCemTurfanda
    @FurkanCemTurfanda ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Charger boys: I got a V8 😤
    Some fwd 4 cylinder: Hold my beer.

    • @djzulumask2138
      @djzulumask2138 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Race it against a scatpack….🤡🤡🤡

    • @cormaro13
      @cormaro13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@djzulumask2138 so get a tune and mess up a scat, ok lol, it's still slow 🤣

    • @djzulumask2138
      @djzulumask2138 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cormaro13 why would u get a tune on a scatpack?? A scatpack is faster than the 5.7 in this video…In stock form it’s way faster than the Elantra n…n people like saying a scatpack is slow but it’s always neck n neck with an ss or gt mustang …so if a scat is slow then those are slow too…

    • @cormaro13
      @cormaro13 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@djzulumask2138 I mean get a tune for the n, turn up the boost and get better shift point, it can take on the scat pack, scats are decent, I keep up and took some by half a car length in a v6 camaro, had full bolts on, and e85, thats with the scat having bolts on too

    • @j9yninefr976
      @j9yninefr976 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@djzulumask2138 A scatpack is 30k more than this car, why would they race? 🤡🤡🤡

  • @LTxFartNugget
    @LTxFartNugget 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I wish more people understood the N division that has occurred. The N cars are good! Hyundai sucks but not N!

  • @carsn_caffeine3926
    @carsn_caffeine3926 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey wondering if you have done octane learning on any of the Elantra s before racing them.. More boost quicker when you have the octane learning set up.

  • @ReckYardKing03
    @ReckYardKing03 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One thing that's new with the enantra n that people are discovering is that it has Octane learning it will push the turbo psi from 15 to 18 so if done it will actually do better.

  • @MarkSmith-Uzor
    @MarkSmith-Uzor ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Unbelievable!!! What's in that Elantra!!!!!

  • @mehrdadmehrsam3643
    @mehrdadmehrsam3643 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love to see that 😻

  • @morriemariani9646
    @morriemariani9646 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love that cyber grey colour on the N

  • @2litsrtfamily436
    @2litsrtfamily436 ปีที่แล้ว

    We have a yellow Daytona as well. Nice video!!! Maybe you can race one of our v8's next...

  • @deathtollwrx
    @deathtollwrx ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Just imagine how fast the second generation Elantra N is going to be...

    • @moneyhunter6019
      @moneyhunter6019 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I’m still waiting for a real Sonata N 😭

    • @billyallen7690
      @billyallen7690 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@moneyhunter6019 this. I am waiting for a Sonata N. N line is all right, but we need a straight up Sonata N.

  • @jugobetrugo7213
    @jugobetrugo7213 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    good ol' import vs muscle
    love it!
    i gotta i30N Fastback Performace - (which doesnt exist in US).
    its basically a elantra N but a lil bit smaller - and i had a mustang gt 14'... ive never thought a ~280hp turbo fwd car could compete with a american v8.
    i guess hyundai is doing something right!

  • @blazeandcyrus
    @blazeandcyrus ปีที่แล้ว

    These are really good videos.

  • @fpaThEoNe
    @fpaThEoNe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Elantra N is top notch for it's price to performance and also the interior.

  • @MrM4rvelous
    @MrM4rvelous ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great races! Enjoying it all. Nem why you sound like a demon in the car sir.
    Yellowjackets Hemi sounding, looking so so good 🥰

    • @n2productions
      @n2productions ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dude I felt the darkness come out of me in that moment 😂

    • @Soul_Flow_
      @Soul_Flow_ ปีที่แล้ว

      gas guzzler American cars..lol

    • @MrM4rvelous
      @MrM4rvelous ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Soul_Flow_ ?

  • @sbklvr
    @sbklvr ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The EN did well considering the Charger had aftermarket tires. Good job. Hyundai.

  • @anthonycamacho791
    @anthonycamacho791 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you get the mud flaps for the Elantra N??? 👀

  • @mikescallon4288
    @mikescallon4288 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just put a deposit down on an Elantra N. I decided to trade my 21 Sonata Nline for one of these. The only thing I did not consider was the small fuel tank. It is coming in on Dec 12th. Just hope it ends up being the right decision.

  • @JulyOverland
    @JulyOverland ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Why so many Elantra N haters here today? I wish Nem raced that Golf R the other day, he's on a totally different level, amazing driver

    • @tokinGLX
      @tokinGLX ปีที่แล้ว +6

      dodge fanboys be salty.

    • @Von_SRT
      @Von_SRT ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tokinGLX the dodge won 3 races why would they be salty?

    • @JulyOverland
      @JulyOverland ปีที่แล้ว

      aka ThatChocolateGuy✌

    • @AntFragale
      @AntFragale ปีที่แล้ว

      Well to be fair all races in the new Mk8 R were done poorly on this channel, especially the roll ones. Not at all accurate if it’s potential. Sam needs to straighten up all races to be honest. Different drivers should not be making sweeping changes on automatic cars. Race them in their best setting at all times, use LC when available and hold it adequately for boost, and for the love of god use manual mode on roll races to ensure the lowest possible gear with boost and then let the car shift on its own.
      Hard to trust any results from this channel. Too many inconsistencies.

    • @aono335
      @aono335 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Von_SRT the dodge won the first dig race and 3rd dig race by a small morgin.

  • @epsteindidntoffhimself5002
    @epsteindidntoffhimself5002 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The 5.7 sounds so good. I'd still buy the charger.

    • @christaylor4656
      @christaylor4656 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Facts.. gap the piston rings add a turbo or supercharger you’ll have a beast

    • @thatone5.762
      @thatone5.762 ปีที่แล้ว

      T

    • @j9yninefr976
      @j9yninefr976 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gas mileage is a big factor that a lot consider on that purchase tho lol, the Hemi downs gas like no one’s business

  • @Bulletformyexie
    @Bulletformyexie ปีที่แล้ว

    Is that the stock Charger exhaust? Sounds different than mine

  • @LYG4F
    @LYG4F ปีที่แล้ว +1

    do you guys know about the octane learner in the Elantra N? you should specify that for future videos since the car makes more power and torque while using 93 instead of 87.

  • @akunamatata4266
    @akunamatata4266 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I mean they are pretty much a match , it’s for different people tho one is bigger and have worst gas mileage

  • @JoshWReX
    @JoshWReX ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’ll be interesting to see the Genesis G70 vs the Dodge Charger scat pack

    • @amonh4258
      @amonh4258 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      on the streets unprepped and stop light to stop light a G70 will slap a scat pack. The only time I lost to a scat in my G70 was when one of the scat pack drivers friends got caught on video pouring some track bite down under the wheels for traction after there first loss LOL. Scat will need a perfect launch for the W and 99% of the times they will spin. If they spin.. even a slight bit it's over

  • @up_all_nite_4408
    @up_all_nite_4408 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly I thought the gap would be more. Since my car makes about 300hp but weights a bit more. But it was probably due to my awd launch that gave me a bigger distance

  • @lilkaczka926
    @lilkaczka926 ปีที่แล้ว

    What camera do you use? The quality is amazing!

    • @SamCarLegion
      @SamCarLegion  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sony a7iv - now Sony FX3

  • @willriley1619
    @willriley1619 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I want to see something older vs something newer like a Saab vs the new Accord or a Volvo turbo vs the Elantra N or something like that. Im betting these races would be very interesting

    • @jayespi37
      @jayespi37 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How about a mazdaspeed 3 vs the elantra N

    • @willriley1619
      @willriley1619 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jayespi37 That would be a good one too

    • @bigjoewebb
      @bigjoewebb ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd like to see a tuned saab 9-3 on here, especially a viggen!!!

    • @willriley1619
      @willriley1619 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bigjoewebb A Saab 9-3 2.0t with just a blanket tune puts it around 300tq. I bet it would be a good race against the "new school" turbo cars. $5,000 Saab or Volvo turbo vs new Accord or Elantra N.

    • @bigjoewebb
      @bigjoewebb ปีที่แล้ว

      @@willriley1619 yeah I had one, an 01 SE hot with a tune on it, it was fun!!! If I can get another one, or a cobalt ss turbo... 🙄 🔥 🔥

  • @datboyy5258
    @datboyy5258 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    4:55 is intense for real 😧

  • @Highlander1432
    @Highlander1432 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sam is hilarious with the fun trash talk
    Good guy
    Great channel sir

  • @MaroVillain
    @MaroVillain ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you guys do a 6th gen Camaro v6 vs rt

  • @ymlccc
    @ymlccc ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow, Elentra N just wiper the floor in its category and stand up against big guys without breaking a sweat. Sure it lost at the end but if it is my money, Elentra N is the one i pick.

  • @Indifference2000
    @Indifference2000 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sam if I end up getting an elantra N its because of watching your videos. You should get commission lol

  • @wackit6756
    @wackit6756 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I couldn’t even concentrate on the race. I was obsessed with the stupid pine tree air freshener on the rear view mirror…..Do people still do that? 😂 LOL

  • @poppachopper6998
    @poppachopper6998 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just did this in real life. 💯 accurate, the Daytona don’t want none. Plug and play and we eating that scat pack 😊

  • @GoogleAccount-pt4zu
    @GoogleAccount-pt4zu ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Sam, again I mean no disrespect, but as a well-known youtuber now you need to take some of the criticism from your viewers & apply it to your videos.
    In the Kia K5 GT vs the same Dodge Charger 5.7 video, the Kia K5 won comfortably, yet in this video the Elantra N struggled to keep up & beat the Charger.
    However in the Kia K5 GT vs Elantra N video the Elantra N won easily (which I found bogus)
    In the Sonata N Line vs GTI (vs WRX) video the GTI won and you saw the amount of negative comments the Sonata N Line driver copped.
    This is why I feel your videos aren’t trustworthy results & everything seems all over the place, you need better more proffessional drivers or someone who knows how to shift a car at the right rpm, alot of the drivers in your videos are amatuers, surely you have the budget now to hire someone to race.
    And obviously you need to turn on the NGS in the Elantra N when you drag race, that’s the whole point of drag racing, is to put your car at its maximum potential not because people get “obsessed over it”
    But anyway that’s just my 2c

    • @Buck3366
      @Buck3366 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably the best comment I’ve read on this channel. Head in the sand approach isn’t ideal when people see glaringly obvious flaws .

  • @kevinlester
    @kevinlester ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You should have just let the Elantra owner drive all 4 races.

  • @CashFlyUpp
    @CashFlyUpp ปีที่แล้ว

    Insane and unbelievable really wow !

  • @messiaboodi
    @messiaboodi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Elantra is a very powerful car and very high quality, lucky to master it

  • @GQRS
    @GQRS ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If the N would of had better tires it could of won both races 🏁 great vid tho love the content 👌

    • @n2productions
      @n2productions ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lol I mean... it's already running pretty much the best street tire out there. Remember this is a daily sitting on PS4s.

    • @j9yninefr976
      @j9yninefr976 ปีที่แล้ว

      It comes on performance summer tires. That isn’t the problem, it’s that they don’t know when to use the overboost lol

    • @n2productions
      @n2productions ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JMV0711 Michelin Pilot Sport 4 Summer tires

    • @exk343
      @exk343 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@j9yninefr976fr driver mod needed

  • @rodolfotorres1602
    @rodolfotorres1602 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wow! It is very impressive that a Hyundai is keeping up or even beating muscle cars. 🤯

  • @punemax
    @punemax 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I raced a challenger RT from a dig and I pulled quite a bit after my car finally gripped, im tuned to about 320whp. Funny thing when we got back to the light the guy asked me what engine was on my car and he didn’t believe me when I said it’s just a 4 cylinder.

  • @aymanlockhartable
    @aymanlockhartable ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Like to see 2016 Hyundai Genesis coupe vs KIA K5 GT and Hyundai Elantra!

  • @Rafaahh
    @Rafaahh ปีที่แล้ว +13

    and 5.7 owners have the nerve to say 5.0s are slow 🤣🤣💀

    • @tookapaxkmk7963
      @tookapaxkmk7963 ปีที่แล้ว

      facts 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @rickitysplitz7035
      @rickitysplitz7035 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The fucked up thing is that the 5.7 is quite slower than the 5.0, especially due to the weight difference on the cars they are put in. I have a 2013 GT and my Uncle has an 18 RT. The 5.0 is definitely faster, but the 5.7 still has some balls and sounds better IMO.

    • @Rafaahh
      @Rafaahh ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@rickitysplitz7035 the 5.7 sounds like a tractor 💀

    • @Von_SRT
      @Von_SRT ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Rafaahh the 5.7 sounds amazing 💀, if anything I hear more ford people saying the 5.0 sounds annoying

    • @wildbill6366
      @wildbill6366 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 5.0 smokes the 5.7 ..

  • @captainjack6890
    @captainjack6890 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine having twice the cyclinders and more than twice the displacement. And you are getting stomped.....by an economy car. Imagine if the Japanese or Koreans built a 5.7L V8 and stuffed it in a car.....

    • @lieutenantmikeo5979
      @lieutenantmikeo5979 ปีที่แล้ว

      No cap💯💯💯 a 1uz with a turbo or supercharger

    • @SacDaddy420
      @SacDaddy420 ปีที่แล้ว

      imagine the tear in the driver's eye , as he realizes he's sacked up on a 392 Daytona and proceeds to feast at GApplebee's

  • @AstralStef
    @AstralStef ปีที่แล้ว

    man the sounds of the front tires loosing traction and hopping 😅

  • @BrogeKilrain
    @BrogeKilrain ปีที่แล้ว

    How about Civic R manual vs Elantra N manual?