Tyvm for pointing out! The neptabyss didnt *fully* matter, as the line still goes through it just doesn’t give the flexibility of holding. But man… spending > a month testing and theorising to find out I couldn’t see one line of text hurts… it probably doesn’t *fully* matter bc levirtue can detach the bahamut as material to make it have 0 mat to overlay ontop of.
@@riverrandle2968 I know, that's why i usually test on edopro instead of duelingbook, so that if i want to do something and the game doesn't let me that tells me that there's something wrong. You're right about leviair, but this makes the combo more difficult i guess, so you have to decide how to use the few remaining spots in the extra deck
@@romanotkyeah I see the benefit of edopro. I usually just build irl with proxies, get an understanding of the deck and than test it and pick up things along the way b4 the deck comes out. Oh I meant the new rank 3 being able to detach any xyz material not just itself, like we already play it and the combo where rank 7 is part of the end board you can detach from the rank 5 instead of itself.
you think stream / tidal is worth playing? I'm not sure but my thinking is 1 stream 2 tidal = 3 discard outlets to trigger bodyguards & dragoons then 2 tidals are good cards to be discarded for teus pike minstrel etc and floats a level 7 body but im not sure if that level 7 + another card on field actually accomplishes anything
Hi! Thanks for commenting! So I’m not a huge fan of tidal mainly because there isn’t a great water dump (outside of dragon ice) We already have a lot of ways to discard, from rhine to even bodyguards (if our hands bad enough) The tidal engine (I would play 3:2 or 1:2 as you said above) also takes up too many slots considering the alternative (the icejade being able to be ran at 1 copy as a pseudo shifter card) That being said, there isn’t anything wrong with playing tidal, a 26 recurring beater which helps manipulate the gy while setting up for gaios. To finish, I have considered tidal and another member who tested with me is playing tidal in their list but I ultimately left it on the cutting room because it doesn’t help with the decks biggest weakness (mulch’s and shifter)
@@riverrandle2968 i been doing a good amount of testing for ycs niagara and i really the only way to counter mulcharmy is to main deck it and main deck crossout and ash blossom. there's not really a good way to play under shifter but if you play coelacanth you can still make 2 toad under shifter at least or 1 toad and 1 level 8 synchro
@@itsRabies yeah, so the issue with Coelacanth as an out to shifter is that toad has to go to be able to go to the GY to negate. Otherwise I’d be fully on board with it > icejade and playing like an additional pike. Yeah, it’s why ash is in the main and I’ve tried cross-out, my issue with crossout is that you can only get away with so much. While minstrel helps *alot* with other generic HT it isn’t guaranteed in the opening or to be optimal to search it *after* or before interraction, so you’d need to find room to play janky one of HT that if you open… well sucks to be you lol. Smaller but also relevant, having a spell in hand > a water can be crucial some times. One thing I have considered is aqua dolphin, bc it works as more copies of minstrel (/water discarder), a level 3 you can revive off posidra. The issue is that it’s abysmal going second mainly due to NS (like atleast minstrel can be used without giving up a critical resource, so you can discard an infantry b4 playing) I hope you have fun / do well!
@@riverrandle2968 didn't realize toad has to send to grave to negate fml there goes the main reason to play coelacanth (other than playing through droll) so I guess you can't really make a board under shifter
I've been testing deep-sea king myself in vanilla mermail atlantean. I personally like using him as an extender when I draw into him by using the abyss keeper link 2 card. Just gives strong access to cards like fishborg harpooner and launcher when going for Trish or white aura synchro plays, bahamut for toad plays as well. Overall a very strong card and highly recommended using him in the deck. *note* I play 50 card mermails and it has yet to compromise consistency in the deck
8:08 Neptabyss effect is not optional, so it must trigger.
Good video btw
12:30 XYZ armor fortress cannot be used as material for an xyz summon while it has material
@@romanotkexactly
Tyvm for pointing out!
The neptabyss didnt *fully* matter, as the line still goes through it just doesn’t give the flexibility of holding.
But man… spending > a month testing and theorising to find out I couldn’t see one line of text hurts… it probably doesn’t *fully* matter bc levirtue can detach the bahamut as material to make it have 0 mat to overlay ontop of.
@@riverrandle2968 I know, that's why i usually test on edopro instead of duelingbook, so that if i want to do something and the game doesn't let me that tells me that there's something wrong. You're right about leviair, but this makes the combo more difficult i guess, so you have to decide how to use the few remaining spots in the extra deck
@@romanotkyeah I see the benefit of edopro. I usually just build irl with proxies, get an understanding of the deck and than test it and pick up things along the way b4 the deck comes out.
Oh I meant the new rank 3 being able to detach any xyz material not just itself, like we already play it and the combo where rank 7 is part of the end board you can detach from the rank 5 instead of itself.
you think stream / tidal is worth playing? I'm not sure but my thinking is 1 stream 2 tidal = 3 discard outlets to trigger bodyguards & dragoons then 2 tidals are good cards to be discarded for teus pike minstrel etc and floats a level 7 body but im not sure if that level 7 + another card on field actually accomplishes anything
Hi! Thanks for commenting!
So I’m not a huge fan of tidal mainly because there isn’t a great water dump (outside of dragon ice)
We already have a lot of ways to discard, from rhine to even bodyguards (if our hands bad enough)
The tidal engine (I would play 3:2 or 1:2 as you said above) also takes up too many slots considering the alternative (the icejade being able to be ran at 1 copy as a pseudo shifter card)
That being said, there isn’t anything wrong with playing tidal, a 26 recurring beater which helps manipulate the gy while setting up for gaios.
To finish, I have considered tidal and another member who tested with me is playing tidal in their list but I ultimately left it on the cutting room because it doesn’t help with the decks biggest weakness (mulch’s and shifter)
@@riverrandle2968 i been doing a good amount of testing for ycs niagara and i really the only way to counter mulcharmy is to main deck it and main deck crossout and ash blossom.
there's not really a good way to play under shifter but if you play coelacanth you can still make 2 toad under shifter at least or 1 toad and 1 level 8 synchro
@@itsRabies yeah, so the issue with Coelacanth as an out to shifter is that toad has to go to be able to go to the GY to negate. Otherwise I’d be fully on board with it > icejade and playing like an additional pike.
Yeah, it’s why ash is in the main and I’ve tried cross-out, my issue with crossout is that you can only get away with so much. While minstrel helps *alot* with other generic HT it isn’t guaranteed in the opening or to be optimal to search it *after* or before interraction, so you’d need to find room to play janky one of HT that if you open… well sucks to be you lol.
Smaller but also relevant, having a spell in hand > a water can be crucial some times.
One thing I have considered is aqua dolphin, bc it works as more copies of minstrel (/water discarder), a level 3 you can revive off posidra. The issue is that it’s abysmal going second mainly due to NS (like atleast minstrel can be used without giving up a critical resource, so you can discard an infantry b4 playing)
I hope you have fun / do well!
@@riverrandle2968 didn't realize toad has to send to grave to negate fml there goes the main reason to play coelacanth (other than playing through droll) so I guess you can't really make a board under shifter
@@itsRabies it’s ok, it’s been my biggest barrier since day 1. Currently just hoping a tcg exclusive that fixes this issue lol.
You cannot do dark knight lancer over fortress if fortress has any Xyz attachment.
You also cannot send coral anemone back with Abyss-Sting since it’s not Aqua, Sea Serpent, or Fish…
Thoughts on Coelacanth? It does play through droll and shifter, but you do have to play a higher fish count, such as maxing out on pike.
I've been testing deep-sea king myself in vanilla mermail atlantean. I personally like using him as an extender when I draw into him by using the abyss keeper link 2 card. Just gives strong access to cards like fishborg harpooner and launcher when going for Trish or white aura synchro plays, bahamut for toad plays as well. Overall a very strong card and highly recommended using him in the deck.
*note* I play 50 card mermails and it has yet to compromise consistency in the deck
is it pretty much just solitaire?
Not even in your dreams
@@Redrockyt_ well you dont need you opponents input in these combos
@@hexolomgaming9498 Ok but still this deck can be stopped by many HTs and, even if it doesn't seem like it, it is able to play over multiple boards
@@Redrockyt_ isnt that what minstral for hand trap wise?
@@hexolomgaming9498 ah yes, like you'll ever get minstrel in your hand, right