bigger thing with harbor is that the most consistent round-to-round value he puts out is smokes and a bullet shield so he ends up with a very teamwork-based kit granted his smokes are probably one of the most flexible since you have 3 walls and one orb, one of which could probably do 3/4ths the smoking on split b and walls are an advantage on breeze and icebox but it's the fact that outside of smokes and the occasional site stun he doesn't do that much outside of that which doesn't help in ranked brim: highest damage molly, stim, high damage targeted ult omen: tp, flashes viper: molly that applies vulnerable, decay astra: global reach, access to both stun and vulnerable clove: decay, self-heal, self-revive other controllers have tools that let people make plays by themselves whether it's by copious utility or by being semi-duelist but harbor just lacks that since all he does is smoke and slow with those smokes
Couldn't agree more with what you said! Like I said in another comment, maybe if they buff his ult so that it slows as well or make it slightly more punishing to push his walls, MAYBE he can be just a BIT more viable to play over other Controllers…
@@clecYT Or u can be selfish and use ur cove like a jett smoke and put it down when u get a kill to prevent getting traded. But the cascade works just as well cuz vision blocking
His smokes are really comfy though. On other controllers, there will always be downtime where your smokes are down or you can only smoke one spot for the rest of the match. Not Harbour. My man can smoke, smoke, smoke and then smoke again nonstop. If someone helps hold his smoke (since it slows), he can hold down Icebox A site forever. I only had one match with him but damn it felt like his smokes never disappear.
@@gabrielarieldola2734 At least an A tier if he does that. what if all his abilities can block bullets like the wall in his reveal trailer, but his walls didnt go down after the bullet proof factor has been gone or make it bulletproof entirely.
Sorry guys, I got hit by copyright because of the montage music and sadly I have to mute it :( it sucks but if you were wondering why the audio seems fucked its because of that!
As someone who uses harbour on some maps, I totally understand why people hesitate to pick him. Harbour walls just block vision. They don't punish people who pushes through the wall. Also the wall slows teammates too. Viper is just a better option. And harbour's ability is a wall, another wall, a shield that breaks down too quickly and a quiet mid ult unless you combine it with something else. Harbour's abilities makes me feel like I'm playing Cypher with the lack of utility to take a fight. All that said, I don't know how to play viper. Harbour just feels easier to me
Yup, and another reason that Viper feels more oppressive is the fact she can control when her wall/smoke goes up allowing her to make just as more plays with other agents then Harbor…
unlike other controllers, all his util originate from his own location, so they have the unfortunate liability of giving the enemy information on where he is.
I think harbour's wall punishes the most. Because of the slow it provides you will have more time to react to the enemy peeking, before they can see you
Love playing harbor! - his ultimate gives you a cue (if you hear a gong noise that means someone is in your circle if you dont hear a gong noise means its clear/no one in circle) You also get the horizontal and vertical indicators of their locations. Moving forward makes it move faster and moving backward slows it down on placement. - Cove has always been great for me not just as a shield but a way to trick ppl to think they know where I am at etc. but I don't play ranked soooo xD probably wouldnt work there. - The cascade walls would be cool if they had a pushing ability since it can go thru walls I could position myself behind enemy locations and push them "out of hiding" which i think would be a nice upgrade to his cascade. But other than that as long as you let it go its full distance you get a good use out of it already as like a weaker iso wall (without the bullet proof part) - High Tide is my favorite cause you can really trap people or cut them off. Also you can shorten the wall if you right click early so you dont have to wait forever for the wall to raise up once done placing it. Also you can make circles and thats just fun in general :D Anyways love Harbor play him on every map but too scared to go rank cause im not the best at hitting my targets XD and my duo is normally a reyna or phoenix and Idc if im with another controller or solo :)
They need to let the cove smoke stay after the shield breaks How you use cove can be done on every smoker with the advantage of the enemy not being able to turn it off by breaking it Its hp is too low to be a good sheild so if they let it play out like a normal smoke it'd be better
As a fiend for water-centered characters, i found myself 1-tricking Harbor when i played. Sad to hear he's so weak and unpopular but i just can't stop enjoying him. Nice to see new Harbor video that's not a guide for once❤
I love water characters. And I hate seeing them be week. Harbor definitely needs buffs, but he is also pretty underrated. Riot needs to buff his smoke respectibility
Also another tip that wasn’t mentioned, when using his wall, the higher up you aim, the slower it will travel, making it easier to turn and direct. If you ever watch pros, they will move up and down according to if they want it to move faster or slower when casting
Ohhh that explains alot on why I found it so weird to control, I even made it sort of a bad habit of just flicking my screen up and down while throwing my wall up 😅
I wanna see if anyone agrees with me here on these proposed harbor changes: His walls do not punish enemies enough for pushing through them, unlike most walls. (Eg. Viper applying vulnerable, Phoenix dealing damage). Perhaps his slow needs to be increased drastically so enemies are essentially trapped with an incredibly slow movement speed for a few moments as they push through. As well as this, his shield bubble either needs way more durability, or it needs to straight up be unbeatable while it’s up. It’s not like the bubble blocks movement so I don’t see much of an issue with it being unbreakable. I think his ultimate is fine as it is. Sure it’s not the most devastating ult but it means enemies have to move around to avoid being stunned and it reveals their locations. I find it great for pushing onto a defended site. I love harbor personally, but I really only ever play him on Icebox and Breeze, and even then that’s very rare. I wonder if harbor will be more useful now that viper has been so heavily nerfed.
unbreakable cove would be too op, I just think it should stay up as a regular smoke even after the shield is broken so it can still provide value as a smoke, it goes too quickly otherwise.
BBC actually kinda real for Harbor… he’s REALLLYYY good at taking pieces of the map and less traditional smokes so without an coordinated team he can feel lackluster
Harbor was always an interesting agent to me but i never bothered learning him for fun. Ill definitely try learning him now. Thanks for making such an entertaining and informative video.
Its been a while since I played the game, but I remember finding Harbor much easier to play than Viper. With Viper you need Lineups for your Mollies, and constantly watch your poison levels and once you used your wall you cant place another one.... The biggest weakness of harbor is that his kit is essenstially all just smokes so he has to rely on other agents opressive abilities, which makes him like you said, very team reliant.
This video was really really well executed! Solid script, excellent editing, awesome pacing. Keep up the good work man, you've got a real knack for making videos!
i love harbor. I'm so sad people dont play him because hes also just a fun character to interact with and see so I started forcing myself to main him. (I used to be a yoru/skye/neon/and deadlock player) so far so good, and hes genuinely more fun to play and the game has gotten more fun and enjoyable for me
Harbor is by no means a bad agent, unlike deadlock he has potential, its just some of his kit is outright useless and often is unfun to use or isnt good enough to replace for someone like viper. His wall is incredibly powerful, it can cover so much space in so many various ways, unlike viper he can creates walls on the fly for whatever the situation needs, cascade is also pretty good at stalling but it's weak compared to other smokes, and cove is mostly worthless with it providing limited value in most situations. His ult is okay but is one of the worst space clearing ults and you can like just dodge the concusses lol
Yeah I feel like his ult is a bit underwhelming and doesn't really feel too threatening like a Killjoy ult. Maybe they should buff it so it slows the ground so the concuss feels more viable…
Harbor is especially reliant on his team. Teammates who know how to play around your smokes will be vital assets. Harbor themself also needs to be confident in their gunplay, because that's just about all he's got...
One thing I learned about Harbor as one of the free agents I picked starting Valorant there are a couple of pointers to remember. 1. His smokes aren't sufficient for Controller role. This is because of his smokes have a very short duration vs other controllers. 2. You need to coordinate with your team and communicate how you will provide them smokes ans cover. 3. Don't be afraid to cove aggressively. You can use the orb as a cheeky one way or reposition for an aggressive position. 4. You're a secondary controller. If you can run double controller comps, your job is to replenish the smokes that your main controller provides. 5. It's an OP ult with an aggressive team, but communicate with them how to understand the ult better and avoid getting concussed.
In my opinion harbor is strong like every agent, but he is hard to use. You can make a lot of awesome plays even with shorty on eco. Clearly underrated goat
I love playing harbor, I played him a lot when he first came out probably and I have 84 hours with him 144 matches. I only play him on sunset now because he's really good at sunset, he's an aggressive agent that can use smokes to block of mid and threaten tiles, market and top mid without using his main wall smoke. He's good for misdirection and repositioning using his smokes and aggressively taking space, plus he lurks pretty well too as his smokes block a lot of areas. Definitely not the strongest agent and outside of sunset I wouldn't use him as the primary controller with the current map pool, but he's fun and creative. I think if they made the slow through his smokes a bit stronger and a small tilt to cascade and slightly longer range on wall he would be in a fine position, also his lineups work the same as viper orb so you have a bit more flexibility to smoke further with cove as it works fine to smoke as people usually don't want to spam it down because of info.
tried harbor a month or 2 ago and it has become my new best agent and main. harbor is a more teammate oriented agent, which is why I think I do well with it. Agents who require too much util is just too much for me to handle sometimes and im not much of a solo player. With harbor, I can just focus on my fundamentals like as aim, spacing, trading, off angles, etc. the cascade is also really good at taking space and honestly wins me a lot of rounds
I personally love harbor on ice box, breeze and pearl especially with a good kayo (so sentinels cant slow you down). If done right you can get site executes where you get a plant down within 20 seconds of a round and site control. In most of my harbor games I have like 10 plants or so 😂. Also good vid 👍
a cool thing you can do with harbor to get information is that you can throw out his cove into angles and walk into it right as it finishes coming up. you will be able to see everyone on that angle while staying protected
I recently started playing Harbor and I've only lost 1 game while playing as him so far and have gone even or positive every game as well (I'm a low elo player so this is pretty big for me tbh). Here's a couple things I've noticed about his kit that I've found useful/interesting/fun, as well as some tips High Tide: The ability to curve the wall is incredibly useful. It makes for a more flexible method of blocking off sightlines and can be used anytime during a match. Obviously a Viper wall serves a more permanent function, but it sacrifices flexibility in return. imo, Harbor walls are much better for attack than a Viper wall, at least in terms of information denial and sightline blocking. Cove: for starters, Cove blocks a certain amount of damage, from both inside and outside the bubble. Obviously it's great for protecting a plant or a defuse, but I've found it also works well as a temporary way to trap an enemy. Usually, smoking an enemy just cuts off their vision, which might not always save someone because you can still shoot through most smokes. But because Cove blocks damage, temporarily preventing an enemy from damaging you can really mess with their tracking and game sense. Cascade: While not as effective as other smokes, the fact that it's a moving debuff is great when used properly. The slow effect is good for catching people unawares in a choke point or push, and when paired with ally abilities/angles can really stop a push in its tracks. Then there's the fact that you can stop the Cascade at any time before it finishes its travel distance, which obviously makes it great for blocking LOS through doorways/windows, etc. (Also, because the cascade is flat on all sides, enemies can't necessarily peek around the corners like they could with a regular, spherical smoke). Reckoning: IMO, this is the weakest part of Harbor's kit. Sure, the AOE is large, and the geysers are helpful (only if they hit someone), but it's not as effective as it could be. It honestly should apply slow to enemies in the AOE. However, even if the geysers don't hit, they can still be pretty useful as information tools. They can help you locate ratting enemies, and even hit all the way from hell to heaven on certain sites (for example Hell and Rafters on A site on Ascent). So if you look out for where the geysers are spawning, you can get a pretty good idea of where enemies are. Overall, Harbor is definitely a weaker controller, kit-wise, but what he lacks in raw controlling power (molotovs, more impactful debuffs, etc), he makes up for in flexibility. He's definitely the kind of agent you want good teamwork with (good comms, great synergies, etc) but once you learn the ins and outs of his abilities, he can become a pretty decent Off-Controller pick.
Agreed, sometimes Harbor works as a solo Controller but he really does better when he gets to do his own thing and be a secondary controller. Good insight on his abilities too!
pls do more videos like this cus this was awesome. as well as the part where you explained how the agents r played n positioning, that was useful as ironic as it was.
I’ll be completely honest, I started playing this game yesterday after it came out on console. The first character I unlocked was Harbor strictly because I love his aesthetic and his vibe. But with the combination of not understanding the character, not even the game really, I’ve been struggling. This was genuinely a super helpful video, and gave me a fresh new perspective on how I should be using this guy. Thank you man.
as a habror main, the high tide at 4:02 was really good because it gave you a rat spot, improve it to make it smaller and you can be really ratty with corner wals
harbor is amazing to pair with flash peeking. the smoke is flat so enemies can't camp out the flash like dome smokes do (especially clouded dome smokes). arguably pheonix can do it on his own
I think he's also great to pair with Cypher's trips. they don't have the visibility to destroy the trips, and once they punch out of the wall theyll run into the trip.
I think one thing about Harbor is that his kit is basically only smokes. Omen has a flash and tps, Viper and Brim have mollys, Clove got all sorts of shit, and Astra got a concuss and a swirly thing. Harbor doesn't have anything. I think that riot should remove the slow penalty for Harbor and his teammates and buff how long the slow affects enemies. I think they should also add the slow to enemies for his cove so that it could function as some kind of stall util that almost every other controller has. I love playing Harbor but if you wanna win it doesn't really make sense to pick him over anyone else.
bro harbor is so damn good,his util is so fun to use and is good with teamwork,reccommend trying him out. C - Wall ( use it for taking control on a orb or block the enemy from getting info ) Q - Cove ( use it to block enemy's from shooting you,use it when your cornered,planting and defusing ) E - Wall 7:49 X - Ult ( Use it like a kj ult to take over the site but you can see enemy's spots by the yellow lines on top of them ) Tell me if I said anything about his util wrong :D
Harbor is so good for solo queuing, I can cut up the map efficiently and not have to rely on ransoms that don’t communicate, if nobody wants bomb I can give myself a safer plant, and best goatee for site retakes especially if ults up
I do like Harbour but I once heard someone make a great point about him: all he does is smoke. None of his abilities have an extra kick to them that others do besides slowing down enemies for like, 2 seconds as they pass through the abilities and that's it. I love using his bubble because it is nice when defending and defusing. But it is also the same thing, just another smoke. Same with his wall and same with his waves. I kinda wish they'd do a big overhaul of his abilities but they never have so I doubt they would because they probably don't know where to go with it. I feel like his waves at least could go faster and genuinely stun an enemy if it hits them rather than just slow them down. That be kinda cool
Hi, day 1 harbor main here, imagine me beating the crap out of you! You're absolutely correct that he's not very self sufficient, his reliance on teamplay makes him a lot more difficult in ranked. Because his util is unlike any other controller's (especially cove) he needs a lot more prep and comfort with his kit, which most players don't want to spend time doing when they can lock someone that doesn't need that level of practice Otherwise it's really cool to see what others figure out when learning this agent, even though I've played him for so long I'm always learning new things. Nice video :) (also the reason I main Harbor is because when he was leaked, his codename was "Mage" and because that's my tag I'm obligated to play him)
OMG A HARBOR MAIN! But yeah, Harbor was wayy out of my comfort zone but it was fun learning him! It's always cool knowing that sometimes the lowest pickrate characters have the most dedicated players that main them :)
I feel like the reason he is so unpopular aside from requiring a lot of teamwork to make use of his abilities the best,is that in my opi ion I feel like his abilities are kinda .. boring ? Like they are really good and powerful when used properly but there isn't really anything in his kit that allows to go for really exciting plays especially in soloq.
Lol, that's exactly what I said. He don't sell me the fantasy of what a waterbender could do in a battlefield. If Harbour could create and surf water tunnels, or control water on other states or even inudate the battlefield that would be very neat!
as someone who has played more than 800 games with harbor, i would say that the reason he is not picked much is because he has a high skill ceiling which means its gonna be hard to control his high tide without practice, people are unaware of many tricks with harbor and just try to play him like your conventional controller, his cove might seem useless but it has saved me countless times in planting or diffusing the spike, pair it up with gekko wingman and its almost a guaranteed plant, the only buff i would like to see on him is that when enemies push his smokes, their vision will get tunelled( like omen paranoia) for some time in order to add more value to his smoke also it would be really good if we can see the location of his ult on the minimap
I don't play Valorant anymore, but I think Harbor lacks personality in his kit. He reminds me of that military guy, but different from the military one he doesn't sell me the fantasy. I think Harbor would be amazing if he somehow was more about mobility and he was able to bend the tides to create fun water tunnels for him to literally surf through it. Imagine: you as a Harbor creating a water tunnel that goes to the sky and then surfs it killing the enemies you spot from above, that would be really cool!
There’s 2 issues with harbor and why he isn’t picked much: 1. Harbor requires a lot of team coordination. That’s why you’ll see a lot of success with him in VCT because, with set strats and executions, harbor is very good at what he does which is controlling and cutting off parts of the map, enabling you and the team to take it piece by piece. Of course, if you aren’t a 5 stack or even a duo, this all will be way harder to accomplish. 2. Harbor just isn’t that good as a solo controller. When I mentioned the VCT scene prior, all of the times harbor was picked was when he was picked alongside another controller. Sure, he’s great segwaying parts of the map to fight for and take space, but he can’t stall nor can he anchor. With harbor, because of how his abilities work, his positioning is very important. And being out of position means that you are going to have little to no value with any of his util because you’re nowhere to get value out of it. It’s why viper is such a good partner; while they’re both line smokers, viper can’t pick up her line to smoke somewhere else and segway the map, but harbor can’t anchor or be out of position lest his smokes get no value. It’s all these factors combined which makes it much easier for players to both use and understand other controllers rather than pick 1 that asks for so much.
You should watch a harbor main tbh. Theres a whole lot more he can do. The walls dont have to be conventionally shaped. You can make weird things that let you sneak behind enemies right in front of them. You can cheeky hide in places they cant find because of his wall. Then you can cove in that wall to kill mutiple ppl without them even knowing where you are. Simply using the wall to just block sightlines is not even exploring its use.
Genuinely I love harbor. However, I find him pretty unplayable on Breeze and split without another controller (his util is just doesn't fit well on split and defense on breeze is so hard). He is generally pretty fun though. Cove especially, it's a really good multipurpose tool. Can get your team out of choke points, plant the bomb in really open areas, help you defuse, and a bunch of random smaller things.
one of my brother's mains is harbour, and bro he plays him so good like everything he picks that, no matter what map (has to be defender tho) he can control the site like almost everytime he stops the team from rushing or just enteringthe site
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0:43 Nobody going to take harbor from you lmao
bigger thing with harbor is that the most consistent round-to-round value he puts out is smokes and a bullet shield so he ends up with a very teamwork-based kit
granted his smokes are probably one of the most flexible since you have 3 walls and one orb, one of which could probably do 3/4ths the smoking on split b and walls are an advantage on breeze and icebox but it's the fact that outside of smokes and the occasional site stun he doesn't do that much outside of that which doesn't help in ranked
brim: highest damage molly, stim, high damage targeted ult
omen: tp, flashes
viper: molly that applies vulnerable, decay
astra: global reach, access to both stun and vulnerable
clove: decay, self-heal, self-revive
other controllers have tools that let people make plays by themselves whether it's by copious utility or by being semi-duelist but harbor just lacks that since all he does is smoke and slow with those smokes
Couldn't agree more with what you said! Like I said in another comment, maybe if they buff his ult so that it slows as well or make it slightly more punishing to push his walls, MAYBE he can be just a BIT more viable to play over other Controllers…
@@clecYT Or u can be selfish and use ur cove like a jett smoke and put it down when u get a kill to prevent getting traded. But the cascade works just as well cuz vision blocking
His smokes are really comfy though. On other controllers, there will always be downtime where your smokes are down or you can only smoke one spot for the rest of the match.
Not Harbour. My man can smoke, smoke, smoke and then smoke again nonstop. If someone helps hold his smoke (since it slows), he can hold down Icebox A site forever.
I only had one match with him but damn it felt like his smokes never disappear.
Bro just imagine if his smokes can speed up the team a little bit instead of slowing them down
@@gabrielarieldola2734 At least an A tier if he does that. what if all his abilities can block bullets like the wall in his reveal trailer, but his walls didnt go down after the bullet proof factor has been gone or make it bulletproof entirely.
Sorry guys, I got hit by copyright because of the montage music and sadly I have to mute it :(
it sucks but if you were wondering why the audio seems fucked its because of that!
What’s the name of the music at 4:00?
it kinda sounds like youre underwater and it seems like youre being drown by the overwhelimg presence of harbor xd
Yeah I was wondering the sound quality went to shit
criminally underrated
Thanks
Yeah I think that's the point of the video
As a one trick harbour main i conpletely agree
I think they gotta make the walls only slow enemies though (instead of slowing u and ur team too)
@@LukeX_YTdo you remember when viper use to debuff teammates as well?
As someone who uses harbour on some maps, I totally understand why people hesitate to pick him.
Harbour walls just block vision. They don't punish people who pushes through the wall. Also the wall slows teammates too. Viper is just a better option.
And harbour's ability is a wall, another wall, a shield that breaks down too quickly and a quiet mid ult unless you combine it with something else. Harbour's abilities makes me feel like I'm playing Cypher with the lack of utility to take a fight.
All that said, I don't know how to play viper. Harbour just feels easier to me
Yup, and another reason that Viper feels more oppressive is the fact she can control when her wall/smoke goes up allowing her to make just as more plays with other agents then Harbor…
They should make the slow only for opponents, they need to buff harbor maybe even revamp him completely
unlike other controllers, all his util originate from his own location, so they have the unfortunate liability of giving the enemy information on where he is.
As an omen main harbor’s ultimate makes me so mad because it destroys my ability to sneak up on everyone lol
I think harbour's wall punishes the most. Because of the slow it provides you will have more time to react to the enemy peeking, before they can see you
Love playing harbor!
- his ultimate gives you a cue (if you hear a gong noise that means someone is in your circle if you dont hear a gong noise means its clear/no one in circle) You also get the horizontal and vertical indicators of their locations. Moving forward makes it move faster and moving backward slows it down on placement.
- Cove has always been great for me not just as a shield but a way to trick ppl to think they know where I am at etc. but I don't play ranked soooo xD probably wouldnt work there.
- The cascade walls would be cool if they had a pushing ability since it can go thru walls I could position myself behind enemy locations and push them "out of hiding" which i think would be a nice upgrade to his cascade. But other than that as long as you let it go its full distance you get a good use out of it already as like a weaker iso wall (without the bullet proof part)
- High Tide is my favorite cause you can really trap people or cut them off. Also you can shorten the wall if you right click early so you dont have to wait forever for the wall to raise up once done placing it. Also you can make circles and thats just fun in general :D
Anyways love Harbor play him on every map but too scared to go rank cause im not the best at hitting my targets XD and my duo is normally a reyna or phoenix and Idc if im with another controller or solo :)
Wtf harbor expert💀
They need to let the cove smoke stay after the shield breaks
How you use cove can be done on every smoker with the advantage of the enemy not being able to turn it off by breaking it
Its hp is too low to be a good sheild so if they let it play out like a normal smoke it'd be better
this is the video of all time
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only 1 reply and 155 likes?
As a fiend for water-centered characters, i found myself 1-tricking Harbor when i played. Sad to hear he's so weak and unpopular but i just can't stop enjoying him. Nice to see new Harbor video that's not a guide for once❤
Agreed. I think the concept of Harbor is great and he deserves better reputation.
It’s a cool concept but Ive gotten dodged like 7 times per a day because I picked harbor
I love water characters. And I hate seeing them be week. Harbor definitely needs buffs, but he is also pretty underrated. Riot needs to buff his smoke respectibility
Also another tip that wasn’t mentioned, when using his wall, the higher up you aim, the slower it will travel, making it easier to turn and direct. If you ever watch pros, they will move up and down according to if they want it to move faster or slower when casting
An example is outside garage on Haven, many teams will use the wall to smoke both the window in garage and also have it cut off CT on c site
Ohhh that explains alot on why I found it so weird to control, I even made it sort of a bad habit of just flicking my screen up and down while throwing my wall up 😅
As someone who mained harbor, and sage before clove came out, I loved Harbor. He was so fun to play. I might go back to him every once and a while.
was expecting someone bigger with the editing and commentary, you're criminally underrated dude
Me too 😅
I wanna see if anyone agrees with me here on these proposed harbor changes:
His walls do not punish enemies enough for pushing through them, unlike most walls. (Eg. Viper applying vulnerable, Phoenix dealing damage). Perhaps his slow needs to be increased drastically so enemies are essentially trapped with an incredibly slow movement speed for a few moments as they push through.
As well as this, his shield bubble either needs way more durability, or it needs to straight up be unbeatable while it’s up. It’s not like the bubble blocks movement so I don’t see much of an issue with it being unbreakable.
I think his ultimate is fine as it is. Sure it’s not the most devastating ult but it means enemies have to move around to avoid being stunned and it reveals their locations. I find it great for pushing onto a defended site.
I love harbor personally, but I really only ever play him on Icebox and Breeze, and even then that’s very rare.
I wonder if harbor will be more useful now that viper has been so heavily nerfed.
unbreakable cove would be too op, I just think it should stay up as a regular smoke even after the shield is broken so it can still provide value as a smoke, it goes too quickly otherwise.
There is no way you only have 500 subs, so underrated
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BBC actually kinda real for Harbor… he’s REALLLYYY good at taking pieces of the map and less traditional smokes so without an coordinated team he can feel lackluster
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Harbor was always an interesting agent to me but i never bothered learning him for fun. Ill definitely try learning him now. Thanks for making such an entertaining and informative video.
why is harbor unpopular? Because viper exists
Maybe that'll change with the last nerf...
well this definitely… aged
@@zagiproductions1630 viper still needed on bind breeze and lotus
This aged poorly…
@@kleesupye no viper still op 😂
0:07 that image is famous last words lol
Aged like milk
Its been a while since I played the game, but I remember finding Harbor much easier to play than Viper. With Viper you need Lineups for your Mollies, and constantly watch your poison levels and once you used your wall you cant place another one.... The biggest weakness of harbor is that his kit is essenstially all just smokes so he has to rely on other agents opressive abilities, which makes him like you said, very team reliant.
Molly lineups are not necessary unlike toxin orb lineups
This video was really really well executed! Solid script, excellent editing, awesome pacing. Keep up the good work man, you've got a real knack for making videos!
i love harbor. I'm so sad people dont play him because hes also just a fun character to interact with and see so I started forcing myself to main him. (I used to be a yoru/skye/neon/and deadlock player) so far so good, and hes genuinely more fun to play and the game has gotten more fun and enjoyable for me
Harbor is by no means a bad agent, unlike deadlock he has potential, its just some of his kit is outright useless and often is unfun to use or isnt good enough to replace for someone like viper.
His wall is incredibly powerful, it can cover so much space in so many various ways, unlike viper he can creates walls on the fly for whatever the situation needs, cascade is also pretty good at stalling but it's weak compared to other smokes, and cove is mostly worthless with it providing limited value in most situations. His ult is okay but is one of the worst space clearing ults and you can like just dodge the concusses lol
Yeah I feel like his ult is a bit underwhelming and doesn't really feel too threatening like a Killjoy ult. Maybe they should buff it so it slows the ground so the concuss feels more viable…
That would be cool, I also think it should perhaps have an additional Stun because it also feels incredibly short
Deadlock has potential tho..
Only if she gets buffed imo
don't slander my gal deadlock like that
Harbor is especially reliant on his team. Teammates who know how to play around your smokes will be vital assets. Harbor themself also needs to be confident in their gunplay, because that's just about all he's got...
8:24 Bravo lol, you understood how to play ANY conroller
One thing I learned about Harbor as one of the free agents I picked starting Valorant there are a couple of pointers to remember.
1. His smokes aren't sufficient for Controller role. This is because of his smokes have a very short duration vs other controllers.
2. You need to coordinate with your team and communicate how you will provide them smokes ans cover.
3. Don't be afraid to cove aggressively. You can use the orb as a cheeky one way or reposition for an aggressive position.
4. You're a secondary controller. If you can run double controller comps, your job is to replenish the smokes that your main controller provides.
5. It's an OP ult with an aggressive team, but communicate with them how to understand the ult better and avoid getting concussed.
Harbor is one of the best agents design in valorant, the kit is uniquely awesome too!
In my opinion harbor is strong like every agent, but he is hard to use. You can make a lot of awesome plays even with shorty on eco. Clearly underrated goat
also why only a few teams use him in comp, and they usually dominate (like LEV's Icebox and Abyss, or PRX last year almost with 100% bind winrate)
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I love playing harbor, I played him a lot when he first came out probably and I have 84 hours with him 144 matches. I only play him on sunset now because he's really good at sunset, he's an aggressive agent that can use smokes to block of mid and threaten tiles, market and top mid without using his main wall smoke. He's good for misdirection and repositioning using his smokes and aggressively taking space, plus he lurks pretty well too as his smokes block a lot of areas. Definitely not the strongest agent and outside of sunset I wouldn't use him as the primary controller with the current map pool, but he's fun and creative. I think if they made the slow through his smokes a bit stronger and a small tilt to cascade and slightly longer range on wall he would be in a fine position, also his lineups work the same as viper orb so you have a bit more flexibility to smoke further with cove as it works fine to smoke as people usually don't want to spam it down because of info.
tried harbor a month or 2 ago and it has become my new best agent and main. harbor is a more teammate oriented agent, which is why I think I do well with it. Agents who require too much util is just too much for me to handle sometimes and im not much of a solo player. With harbor, I can just focus on my fundamentals like as aim, spacing, trading, off angles, etc. the cascade is also really good at taking space and honestly wins me a lot of rounds
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7:20 💀
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I personally love harbor on ice box, breeze and pearl especially with a good kayo (so sentinels cant slow you down). If done right you can get site executes where you get a plant down within 20 seconds of a round and site control. In most of my harbor games I have like 10 plants or so 😂. Also good vid 👍
a cool thing you can do with harbor to get information is that you can throw out his cove into angles and walk into it right as it finishes coming up. you will be able to see everyone on that angle while staying protected
How does your channel and this video have such less recognition? Your videos are so high-quality man keep it up. Consistency is key
dude I watched your other videos like this one and it is the best valorant content I have seen, keep going
Nice video, good luck on your journey :D
I recently started playing Harbor and I've only lost 1 game while playing as him so far and have gone even or positive every game as well (I'm a low elo player so this is pretty big for me tbh).
Here's a couple things I've noticed about his kit that I've found useful/interesting/fun, as well as some tips
High Tide: The ability to curve the wall is incredibly useful. It makes for a more flexible method of blocking off sightlines and can be used anytime during a match. Obviously a Viper wall serves a more permanent function, but it sacrifices flexibility in return. imo, Harbor walls are much better for attack than a Viper wall, at least in terms of information denial and sightline blocking.
Cove: for starters, Cove blocks a certain amount of damage, from both inside and outside the bubble. Obviously it's great for protecting a plant or a defuse, but I've found it also works well as a temporary way to trap an enemy. Usually, smoking an enemy just cuts off their vision, which might not always save someone because you can still shoot through most smokes. But because Cove blocks damage, temporarily preventing an enemy from damaging you can really mess with their tracking and game sense.
Cascade: While not as effective as other smokes, the fact that it's a moving debuff is great when used properly. The slow effect is good for catching people unawares in a choke point or push, and when paired with ally abilities/angles can really stop a push in its tracks. Then there's the fact that you can stop the Cascade at any time before it finishes its travel distance, which obviously makes it great for blocking LOS through doorways/windows, etc. (Also, because the cascade is flat on all sides, enemies can't necessarily peek around the corners like they could with a regular, spherical smoke).
Reckoning: IMO, this is the weakest part of Harbor's kit. Sure, the AOE is large, and the geysers are helpful (only if they hit someone), but it's not as effective as it could be. It honestly should apply slow to enemies in the AOE. However, even if the geysers don't hit, they can still be pretty useful as information tools. They can help you locate ratting enemies, and even hit all the way from hell to heaven on certain sites (for example Hell and Rafters on A site on Ascent). So if you look out for where the geysers are spawning, you can get a pretty good idea of where enemies are.
Overall, Harbor is definitely a weaker controller, kit-wise, but what he lacks in raw controlling power (molotovs, more impactful debuffs, etc), he makes up for in flexibility. He's definitely the kind of agent you want good teamwork with (good comms, great synergies, etc) but once you learn the ins and outs of his abilities, he can become a pretty decent Off-Controller pick.
Agreed, sometimes Harbor works as a solo Controller but he really does better when he gets to do his own thing and be a secondary controller. Good insight on his abilities too!
pls do more videos like this cus this was awesome. as well as the part where you explained how the agents r played n positioning, that was useful as ironic as it was.
Harbor is a fun agent to play, you can get very creative with his kit. He’s my main along with skye
I’ll be completely honest, I started playing this game yesterday after it came out on console. The first character I unlocked was Harbor strictly because I love his aesthetic and his vibe. But with the combination of not understanding the character, not even the game really, I’ve been struggling. This was genuinely a super helpful video, and gave me a fresh new perspective on how I should be using this guy. Thank you man.
It's pretty crazy how few Harbor players I see in my games. Swear the last time I saw one was when Pearl was in rotation.
The mad world by bisken in the ace montage is soo perfect
Extremely good watch dude! Nice work 👏
Man I don’t even play Valo, but even I enjoyed this video a bunch. Keep up the good work!
his ability confuses any enemy about our location
as a habror main, the high tide at 4:02 was really good because it gave you a rat spot, improve it to make it smaller and you can be really ratty with corner wals
you’ve got good potential keep it up brudda
good job bro the video is really high quality , keep it up
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harbor is amazing to pair with flash peeking. the smoke is flat so enemies can't camp out the flash like dome smokes do (especially clouded dome smokes).
arguably pheonix can do it on his own
I think he's also great to pair with Cypher's trips. they don't have the visibility to destroy the trips, and once they punch out of the wall theyll run into the trip.
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6:02 It was too hilarious lmao
I think one thing about Harbor is that his kit is basically only smokes. Omen has a flash and tps, Viper and Brim have mollys, Clove got all sorts of shit, and Astra got a concuss and a swirly thing. Harbor doesn't have anything. I think that riot should remove the slow penalty for Harbor and his teammates and buff how long the slow affects enemies. I think they should also add the slow to enemies for his cove so that it could function as some kind of stall util that almost every other controller has. I love playing Harbor but if you wanna win it doesn't really make sense to pick him over anyone else.
Yeah, slows are sort of Harbors thing but in terms of Valorant agents, slows aren't as punishing as they seem…
@@clecYT If only his ult detained people instead
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Amazing editing bruv
I think the issue is it's super hard to solo with him. His kit is meant ONLY for team play.
bro harbor is so damn good,his util is so fun to use and is good with teamwork,reccommend trying him out.
C - Wall ( use it for taking control on a orb or block the enemy from getting info )
Q - Cove ( use it to block enemy's from shooting you,use it when your cornered,planting and defusing )
E - Wall 7:49
X - Ult ( Use it like a kj ult to take over the site but you can see enemy's spots by the yellow lines on top of them )
Tell me if I said anything about his util wrong :D
This is some great editing thought u were a 100k sub+ youtuber, goodluck on your journey!
Awesome video man! Also editing feels really good. It would also be nice if you made series "I Spent 10 HOURS Playing (Agent)" ^^
Harbor is so good for solo queuing, I can cut up the map efficiently and not have to rely on ransoms that don’t communicate, if nobody wants bomb I can give myself a safer plant, and best goatee for site retakes especially if ults up
i remember people were going off about how op the fact his smokes blocked bullets was… yeah… super op that’s why he’s played so much…
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i find on some sites harbor can just rush spike plant and pressure the opponents to rush into site( this comes from a harbor main )
him using the bowser music from mario 3d world makes me so happy because i had the most fun playing that game with my sister
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I do like Harbour but I once heard someone make a great point about him: all he does is smoke. None of his abilities have an extra kick to them that others do besides slowing down enemies for like, 2 seconds as they pass through the abilities and that's it.
I love using his bubble because it is nice when defending and defusing. But it is also the same thing, just another smoke. Same with his wall and same with his waves. I kinda wish they'd do a big overhaul of his abilities but they never have so I doubt they would because they probably don't know where to go with it.
I feel like his waves at least could go faster and genuinely stun an enemy if it hits them rather than just slow them down. That be kinda cool
Hi, day 1 harbor main here, imagine me beating the crap out of you!
You're absolutely correct that he's not very self sufficient, his reliance on teamplay makes him a lot more difficult in ranked. Because his util is unlike any other controller's (especially cove) he needs a lot more prep and comfort with his kit, which most players don't want to spend time doing when they can lock someone that doesn't need that level of practice
Otherwise it's really cool to see what others figure out when learning this agent, even though I've played him for so long I'm always learning new things. Nice video :)
(also the reason I main Harbor is because when he was leaked, his codename was "Mage" and because that's my tag I'm obligated to play him)
OMG A HARBOR MAIN! But yeah, Harbor was wayy out of my comfort zone but it was fun learning him! It's always cool knowing that sometimes the lowest pickrate characters have the most dedicated players that main them :)
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Really good video man for a guy who has very little subs. Surprised me you didn’t have more
I feel like the reason he is so unpopular aside from requiring a lot of teamwork to make use of his abilities the best,is that in my opi ion I feel like his abilities are kinda .. boring ? Like they are really good and powerful when used properly but there isn't really anything in his kit that allows to go for really exciting plays especially in soloq.
Lol, that's exactly what I said. He don't sell me the fantasy of what a waterbender could do in a battlefield. If Harbour could create and surf water tunnels, or control water on other states or even inudate the battlefield that would be very neat!
as someone who has played more than 800 games with harbor, i would say that the reason he is not picked much is because he has a high skill ceiling which means its gonna be hard to control his high tide without practice, people are unaware of many tricks with harbor and just try to play him like your conventional controller, his cove might seem useless but it has saved me countless times in planting or diffusing the spike, pair it up with gekko wingman and its almost a guaranteed plant, the only buff i would like to see on him is that when enemies push his smokes, their vision will get tunelled( like omen paranoia) for some time in order to add more value to his smoke also it would be really good if we can see the location of his ult on the minimap
I don't play Valorant anymore, but I think Harbor lacks personality in his kit. He reminds me of that military guy, but different from the military one he doesn't sell me the fantasy.
I think Harbor would be amazing if he somehow was more about mobility and he was able to bend the tides to create fun water tunnels for him to literally surf through it. Imagine: you as a Harbor creating a water tunnel that goes to the sky and then surfs it killing the enemies you spot from above, that would be really cool!
I love harbor and think he’s good if you play him right but I think he really shines with another controller on your team
epic vid dude
i agree i also have lots of fun playing harbor
no way u only have 800 subs, such good editing
2:01 the league player in you camee out a little lmao
There’s 2 issues with harbor and why he isn’t picked much:
1. Harbor requires a lot of team coordination. That’s why you’ll see a lot of success with him in VCT because, with set strats and executions, harbor is very good at what he does which is controlling and cutting off parts of the map, enabling you and the team to take it piece by piece. Of course, if you aren’t a 5 stack or even a duo, this all will be way harder to accomplish.
2. Harbor just isn’t that good as a solo controller. When I mentioned the VCT scene prior, all of the times harbor was picked was when he was picked alongside another controller. Sure, he’s great segwaying parts of the map to fight for and take space, but he can’t stall nor can he anchor. With harbor, because of how his abilities work, his positioning is very important. And being out of position means that you are going to have little to no value with any of his util because you’re nowhere to get value out of it. It’s why viper is such a good partner; while they’re both line smokers, viper can’t pick up her line to smoke somewhere else and segway the map, but harbor can’t anchor or be out of position lest his smokes get no value. It’s all these factors combined which makes it much easier for players to both use and understand other controllers rather than pick 1 that asks for so much.
You should watch a harbor main tbh. Theres a whole lot more he can do. The walls dont have to be conventionally shaped. You can make weird things that let you sneak behind enemies right in front of them.
You can cheeky hide in places they cant find because of his wall. Then you can cove in that wall to kill mutiple ppl without them even knowing where you are. Simply using the wall to just block sightlines is not even exploring its use.
7:33 I swear that O was an A instead😂😂
Love the music you use ❤
Genuinely I love harbor. However, I find him pretty unplayable on Breeze and split without another controller (his util is just doesn't fit well on split and defense on breeze is so hard). He is generally pretty fun though. Cove especially, it's a really good multipurpose tool. Can get your team out of choke points, plant the bomb in really open areas, help you defuse, and a bunch of random smaller things.
wtf this is so underated needs 100k subs +
Thank you for this video. Please keep making more
Actually a good video, nice man !
3:00 ask s0m... he'll tell you all about it 😂
I used to play harbor and I stopped because I kept getting dodged
underated editing is the goat
7:58 - Oh ok, this is British BroadCasting Corp... wait a minute....
i usually dont sub to people off one video but you are so entertaining and funny bro keep it up :3
"why is harbor unpopular?"
1: harbor has to consider both range and position when deploying smokes.
2: basically a his skills except ult are smokes
one of my brother's mains is harbour, and bro he plays him so good like everything he picks that, no matter what map (has to be defender tho) he can control the site like almost everytime he stops the team from rushing or just enteringthe site
Wait a second, That video was really good but you only have 952 subs. You got one right now🎉
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