Months of work went into this video, I seriously hope you guys love it! Thank you for all the amazing support as always! Now I'm gonna go play some Halo Infinite
Monster Hunter World was this game for me, I never felt such growth in a game only to get humbled by the next elder dragon and me seeking a way to overcome it.
My first MH was Generations Ultimate and going from that to Rise Sunbreak was like going from a fighter jet to one of the toy planes outside of stores 😂
It’s similar to making animations and making tiktoks. You can spend ages making an animation but making a tiktok wouldn’t take too long. Not saying that making the ms paint stuff wouldn’t take a while but I’m just comparing the two.
"Without clarity, the other aspects all fall apart", he used an egg to represent clarity, and eggs are used to hold ingredients together in cooking. I see what you did there!
This has helped me to better understand and appreciate the Resident Evil games. I'm not a fan of having to be careful with my item management to beat the game, but if I just switch my perspective that the item management is apart of the game and not necessarily the combat itself, I'm more encouraged to try the earlier ones. It's like a challenge now to how good I can manage my items.
Agreed my only problem with it (I don’t know if this is true in all re games I’ve only played re 2&3 remakes a bit of re4 and re7) is the aiming sometimes mainly because I’m on console and getting headshots with a controller when you don’t have aim assist is harder then a genshin player when they see a child so conserving ammo and resources can be a pain in the a$$ to deal with
Yeah I think incremental boosts are just as much of a tool as huge gameplay warping upgrades. You gotta mix and match them juuuust right... OOOOR just be a metroidvania.
Bro I had to spent like 12 plat to get my accs and weapons to reasonable prefixes, and thats the only bad thing about preparing your equipment in Terraria
I'm not sure if there's such thing as a perfect combat system, but I think different kinds of combats work best for different games. Hollow Knight, for example, manages to have an incredibly simple yet deep combat, not in the sense of having to use lots of buttons, but that in its simplicity it has so much room to grow. Each scenario is different and requires different skills from the player, the combat yet so simple is so satisfying and gives the sensation of growth through learning
personally, simplistic controls are so much less overwhelming than having every button to use in combat. Jedi Survivor, Hollow Knight, and Assassin's Creed (at least the new ones) all feel so fun to fight in because anyone can do it. It's simplistic, you cant really make mistakes in what move you wanna pull off. It's just attack or block/dodge.
true, but the problem is the challenge. A game can have one basic button for light and heavy attacks, another for blocking, another for dodging, and still be challenging. A fighting game like smash ultimate has relatively simple controls that are easy to learn but difficult to master (although of course, it varies from character to character). I think a good combat system is just that; easy to learn, difficult to master. There's so many ways to combine and upgrade these stats that make the combat fun and engaging, but a lot of games miss the mark.
That's one thing I love about the 2D action games like Hollow Knight and Katana Zero, because even if the side-scroller format and core control schemes are super simple at a glance the different situations and challenges slowly escalate and evolve into a lot of unique and multi-layered encounters.
A game that, at least for me, has a "perfect" combat system is Hyper Light Drifter. It's just so damn satisfying to kill enemies in that game that I've finishied it like 10 times
@@CircleToonsHD Circle, I think God of War 2018 contradict or do not fulfilled the points you've made. Agency, GOW confines you to a linear passage while also incorporating weapon specific enemies. Imbalances, the game gives you the same enemy types throughout a playthrough just with higher stats. Evolution, it's rather limited but grants the allusion of complexity through the branching skill tree and earning runic attacks. On a related note, I have to say that "button mashy" is a criticism of yourself because the choice of attacks are reliant own your creativity. Clarity and Control, the FOV. For a series that relishes on the one man army trope, it's utterly confusing as to why the devs agree to limit it with a tightly frame camera. I get the idea of complementing narrative but the band aid solution of giving threat indicators already compromise that. And for a melee focused game, the screen gets messy if players attempt crazier moves against multiple enemies as it is filled with motions and particle effects. Also, we lose manual jumping because of this.
I remember finishing my first NG+ run, and right after that discovering that the cape, bot and sword you wear actually has a bunch of diferent effects including the super useful +1 HP that would have spared me of i don't know how many deaths
One genre that gets to explore all of this but I think is frequently overlooked is metroidvania type platformers. Hollow Knight and Ori 2 are great examples of games that basically check all these boxes, at least for me.
Ori 2 had really great combat. That was the largest improvement from the first game. The best part about the combat is how you maneuver yourself to attack and dodge attacks using bash. Truly one of the best abilities in gaming.
Omg, the Clarity really hits me hard with how I'm feeling hurt by games these days. I know that some kids would want to play the game as well, but a 5+ minutes tutorial for one mechanic wouldn't help me nor the child I believe.
There's a game that I've been playing called "Curse Of The Dead Gods" it's a rogue-like but does a really good job of the things that were said in this video. I would recommend checking it out if you're into Hades!
They're so annoying, fairly quick and hard to see. They hit then run for safety. Their poison effect is strong as hell, and it stacks too. You better have potions ready. If you get hit by them more than three times, you're basically crippled. Four, and just call yourself dead, its literally a terminal illness.
I don't know man all you need to do is switch to a weapon that has the "meat lover" enchantment when fighting vegetarian scorpions, so that skill is kinda a waste of skill point imo
This video just oozes with passion and love for video game combat, and it's refreshing to hear an in-depth analysis on it. So many points were brilliantly brought up but none felt like filler. Those months of work really paid off. Love it!
words cannot describe how much i love monster hunter's combat, especially from a lore point of view as you actively exploit these animal's biology as you fight them, i got issues with generations ultimate (like how cutting off a rathian's tail STILL POISONS YOU WHEN IT BACKFLIPS) but it's overall absolutely perfect for me
Hollow Knight bosses can make you feel like they are LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT, but when you do, it feels so so good, like it can make you literally feel like a BOSS
For me most hollow knight bosses are really fun and satisfying cuz of the learning curve. Take for example hornet at first you die almost instantly but after a few fights you start dodging and a few more you feel so good dodging hitting dodging hitting again. But some bosses are just cancer for example traitor lord made me want to quit until I finaly beat him. But I truthly love the combat in hollow knight.But some sections like white palace are straight up just pain.
Same with aragami 2, the ability to see where the enemies have gone and where they are going to go is acquired a bit later in the game and I always just forget how handy it is, no joke most of the missions would be impossible without it.
The biggest problem for me is the game is so f’ing hard to replay honestly like the first 3 bosses I fight in a play through are so hard because I forgot the control sceme
HIFI Rush my favourite combat in my opinion, the slowly adding enemies, mechanics and regular new moves keeps it feeling constantly fresh, all while making sure to time all actions to the beat. The bosses ramp up the spectacle and difficulty perfectly and the different knockbacks, effects, and STUNNING visuals make every fight a fresh treat
Maybe he should work with a dev team as a creative director/consultant. He seems to know his shit conceptually, but i'd guess he doesn't know a lot of Programming and integrating these Systems into an actual game (could be wrong about that tho). It would be really cool to see a Videogame with his vision someboday!
It's infinitely easier to talk about what makes good game combat, than to actually implement it into a real game. You can make a list of goals, discuss the theory and all, but to actually design and build a game which takes on all of these attributes is a completely different set of skills and knowledge, which almost nobody watching this video will have.
Why don’t more games use badge systems for upgrades? Or the ability to respec like dark souls? This allows players to play their way. It’s just better.
Botw has great combat I mean I personally love how after a while once you’ve gotten far into the game it’s just so satisfying to sweep through enemy’s wether it be with a sword a spear a big sword a bow or even a shield
I swear that out the entire thing I was screaming out loud botw. If I had the choice to replay it for the first time again it would probably be my first choice because I kind of spoiled it with playthroughs guides exploits and I pretty much hate myself for destroying a perfectly great game for loot SMH🤦♂️
After playing through Skyward Sword HD, even the button-only controls feel downright frustrating against late-game enemies. Basically, I just want to play BOTW again
I like games where the combat seems simple at first till you realise some of the moves used for other things can be used for the combat, I recently discovered while fuckin around in Sonic Frontiers that you can use the wild rush to cancel out of any attacks meaning if you are close enough to do a wild rush on an enemy then you can do attacks way faster
I always hated whenever the game would make the same enemy scale in level with the player like "Well since I'm a higher level and deal more damage (and you deal more to me) that makes me an amazing enemy!"
Oh man that game was so fucking fun, getting off a perfect rabbit kick on a wolf and instakilling them was like, the most satisfying thing you could do in a videogame
One thing I want to see in games is enemys working together, such as having a sheild boy with the weakness of being shoved ,but when you do shove him a different type of enemy will counter you by shoving you. It would be great for a game to have 10 different types of enemys that work well together and can make different difficult to defeat teams.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 I don't think that's what there talking about, in soul like games generally a mob of weak monsters do the same thin g they would do alone but there more of them so you can very easily get stunlocked
I feel like i saw this in some game, but i can't really remember. The closest i can think of, is sadly a turn based example. Chrono Trigger has enemies do different attacks when grouped up with certain types and they also have different reactions depending on field placement and attacks used.
Cyberpunk 2077 has some of the best one vs the world combat systems ive ever played. Hits all five points, plus the seamless transition between dialogue to combat is so immersive. Talking to someone and they said something you didn't like don't even exit the convo just pull out your shotgun slow down time and shoot them back where they came from. Beautiful.
The part about not letting the player getting too comfy reminded me about Metal Gear Rising so much because the start of the game you dont really mind mechanics like parrying but then when you reach Monsoon and Jetstream Sam you realize how important parrying is and the game tells you to go for it whenever you can and to me thats good game design and gives the player more and more freedom on how they play
I didn't even figure out how to parry before monsoon, but I learned how to parry and that white people with Sam. I think the pinnacle of metal gear rising revengeance is the fight Jetstream Sam, but I love the grandio scale of senator Armstrong is the final boss.
Also another thing that they weaponize comfortability in that game is that up until the sundowner fight despite sundowner being really easy unlike all bosses previously he is slow tanky and does a lot of damage where all the bosses before him are fast agile and the differences between the combat of sundowner and all the bosses before it causing you to have to adapt to a whole new type of bossfight
6:02 Destiny, in a nutshell. This is one of Bungie's biggest flaws with their game. There is absolutely no sense in a light/power level if the guy who just started a new character and myself at max level, do the same amount of damage to a level 1 enemy. So lame! Bungie has a fear of players being too strong. This was a good video.
I totally agree with this, i took a break from D2 recently and moved to sekiro, I am a souls veteran but i had to re learn a completely different combat system, but it feel so satisfying coming back to an earlier game area such as Senpou temple and breaking most of the enemies posture in a few hits. Another thing is looking back at the earlier game bosses/minibosses and seeing how quickly their posture bar fills compared to the slow almost antagonizing build of the final boss’ bar (sword saint isshin). well with the exception of the third phase as his lightning attacks can give you an advantage.
Long story short, games should make you realize that your journey was and still is meaningful, and a very simple way of doing that is scaling enemies based on the area or just that specific enemy type in general.
I stopped playing Destiny when all the Christmas noobs were able to just leap into gear I had to GRIND for, allowing them to easily and quickly level up to my high level/ gear score.
I've had the opposite problem with a lot of games too though, including Destiny at times. It's a really weird balance that designers have to strike between making you constantly feel more powerful than before while also making sure every encounter is more difficult than the last despite all those upgrades. Relative to the challenges you face, you should always be getting weaker, not stronger, but the way you FEEL needs to be the inverse.
The game that has my favorite combat has to be Devil May Cry 5, there are just so many options and so much to learn to perfect the combos you can do. It starts by giving you the basics and as you progress you get more tools, more moves, and more weapons that can all be paired with each other in some way to do combos. I have never seen a game that wants the player to style on the enemies as much as this game and I highly recommend it to anyone this sounds appealing to.
That's exactly the game I was thinking of while watching this video. I think the most fun I've ever had with combat in video games is with any of the Dante sections. He's pretty difficult to learn but the game does a great job of easing you into the infinite possibilities of his moveset whether you are a newcomer or veteran of the series
Most dmc games are great, 3,4&5 are the best, 1 is great but it’s combat isn’t as good as the other three, and 2.... we don’t talk about 2... that game can be boiled down to ‘enter devil trigger, spam ebony and ivory, win’ 😒
I finished devil may cry 5 and it amazing and worth playing. My favourite characters to play was vegil because of the combat and the music (Bury the light).
At 9:46 I had a pretty similar experience in clash of clans, I was trying to beat a really hard goblin level and I couldn’t figure it out, so I took a nap to recalibrate my system and I figured out in my sleep that the mortar is better at destroying groups and if I wanted to win I had to split my barbarians up, it felt really good that I figured it out myself and that’s what I love about other games with that mechanic.
"Perfect Videogame Combat" is when every neuron in your brain is lit up and you're pouring every ounce of your adrenaline, reflexes and combat mastery into a fight. Examples of this in my opinion are Orphan of Kos [Bloodborne], Vergil [Devil May Cry 5], Moon Lord [Terraria], Isshin, the Sword Saint [Sekiro] and basically any late-game shootout in Doom Eternal.
i believe dark souls series has nailed the best gameplay for some players expecting in the adventure genre as you cant button smash your way, has many movements and even combo like light , heavy , and special attack for both single and double hand. it has lots of weapons suitable for their builds and every dark souls game has that unique style of gameplay and lots of other amazing feelings you feel after defeating that god damn bossfight
I mean I guess, as long as it does not overrun other ip, im fine with the combat. I finished demon's soul and it was fine I guess. But when I started dark soul, I got my ass kicked. Which is fine. But the sheer amount of death is personally too much. I felt like in demon's soul, the game was great when the game was hard, but not when it was HARD. I feel that difficulty is like... Nsfw. Bdsm. If its too gentle, then its boring and might as well do the real thing, do it to harsh and it just hurt but do it in between and it work great. Demon's soul is for me(except the two manticore, the big lava dude and false king alan) the exact right amount of difficulty. Dark soul is too much for me. And no, im not willing to get good. I just don't enjoy the process of getting good in dark soul unlike demon's soul. Now, im not asking them to put an easy mode. It would destroy the point of souls game. You can't go into a souls game and asking it to be easy. Souls is for souls fan and I respect that. My problem is, when that souls philosophy come to franchises that did not have that way of doing thing. Like darksider 3 or doom eternal. That is when I will complain. You have your thing, we have ours. But yeah. Souls combat is great. No wonder people try as best as they can to copy it.
@@clapointe151 if u thought dark souls 1 was hard lmao blood borne, sekiro is gonna make u burn ur house down and never look back. Because dark souls 1 believe it or not is one of the easier souls games. lol
"Not everything should scale with the player" *ahem* fallout 76 *ahem* the scorched/feral ghouls should not take three point blank shots from a combat shotgun *ahem*
Ultrakill is literally perfect gameplay wise. Slick and responsive movement, satisfying and unique weapons and abilities and equipment that are all useful and add to the flow of combat. The gimmick of healing yourself with the blood of the damned is both fun and absolutely badass.
🤓: Batman Arkham City/Knight may have "press counter to watch a movie" but I do enjoy its evolution where you gradually go from : beating up a lollipop gooner to the Chad tax evader. Both challenge maps of infinite combat and Infinite stealth arenas back this up to some degree. I haven't booted up Dark Souls 3 yet and I'm excited to see how far my mental health can deplete in one sitting
Personally, I think there’s a 6th point: Attacks. Good games slowly scale not only your player level, but the weapons you have as well. If I’m fighting some mid game boss, I don’t want to use the starter club, I want to use fire swords or water schythes or a grass gun, interesting weapons that spruce up the game. In games that aren’t focused on weapons, giving you cool abilities that are functional are great. Spider-Man ps5 does this well, slowly building up your abilities and giving you new gadgets
These can be good for added spectacle but aren't really needed. God of War has one satisfyingly designed axe to chop things to pieces. In Sekiro you run around with the same sword the entire game and everything is about using it to counter. The ability part was pretty much covered in this video but is once again not mandatory (Dark Souls 3) where the combat is so tightly designed that it doesn't need to evolve. Only the enemies evolve around you and you have to manage.
I like the idea of the beginning item being basic and just does the job, but as you play there are items that change up how you play. Like a shield that if you get a perfect block you gain a little attack speed, so you can now attack and then dodge, but that shield doesn't absorb as much damage. So now you have to think about what you block and what you dodge, but the damage doesn't fall off, but you find more items made for other playstyles you could try out. That's what I think would be good for the point 6 you made.
Yep. And the best of all is that there are so many different ways to approach different targets/locations. Ive played from start to finish 2 times already 😁
middle earth combat is so repetitive it should be a crime. Every encounter takes 15 minutes because you have party which is very easy but then oh no you have to finish them on the ground and when you have other enemies fighting you, you can't finish them off. The combat is so annoying
the witcher's 3 combat is pretty sick, it doesnt outright tell you what you should do, when going up against different creatures you have to figure out what each one of them does.
I really liked how Breath of the Wild handled combat. Elemental attacks, runes, stealth, flurry rushes, bullet time and the number of ways you can approach combat challenges. If you're careful with the controls and what you have you can take down nearly any enemy, and pulling off combos feels so nice.
Honestly I feel like a lot of people count out 2D games when it comes to open-ended/open world combat games, but terraria is magnificent when it comes to all this. Countless playstyles and simple but effective controls that translate well across numerous platforms. It’s a game of movement and possibilities, and easily one of my all-time favorites
I totally agree, and also some people don't enjoy games with the survival aspect as much as they do games that focus mostly or only on fighting. I know which side of that I'm on with my 500+ hours in terraria, but that's just my assumption. Also go watch the dark souls video it kind explains some of circle's views on combat and difficulty. He do got good opinions tho
I immediately thought of terraria at 7:36. finishing a playthrough and starting again without wings or a hook or a sword that oneshots most enemies makes you wonder how you survived early game at all. in terms of evolution, terraria does a good job of scaling slowly but satisfyingly
I love Terraria combat but another- my favorite- 2D game is Hollow Knight. It’s combat system is so amazing and when you play well it feels awesome. :)
I think your best point in here is about the combat not needing you to refresh yourself for so long when you come back. I've had so many games that I quit for a while, and by the time I come back I just end up restarting the game because I have no idea what the hell I'm doing anymore
The World Ends With You fits this entirely. If you haven't played it, circle, i'd recommend trying it out, it's really good! Hollow Knight also feels like it fits this very well.
The Dishonored series has the perfect gameplay imo. They let you in big ass open levels where you can go almost everywhere and choose your approach (you even have the possibility to not kill anyone) and always be creative with a wide variety of options (you can like throw things from the decor like glasses), upgrades give you useful powers, ennemies are all different from each others, the mechanics are freaking awesome... it definitely have one of the greatest combat system of all time.
But it’s kinda bs that if your not interested is stealth/pasifist style the game says:”you are a horrible person and the world is fucked because of you.” Meanwhile the ignore all and be boring in the shadow path says: “ you didn’t murder anyone,the world is now happy and the plague doesn’t exist,yay.”
@@JokerInTheCardDeck1273 And that's why I'm having way more fun in Deathloop, because you don't have to care about moral dilemas. Kill them all with awesome tools, powers and weapons.
No joke!! for whole of the video dishonored was in my mind! like it clearly have all of the things toons mentioned in his video! i guess the only logical reason is he never played it
That assumes that game devs want to create a combat system like that... many casual gamers like the Assassin's Creed style of combat system BECAUSE it is so f***ing easy. Those type of players rarely write in gaming forums or TH-cam comments. But they are a huge customer group.
@@mariotormann5904 The sad thing is that we had a lot of varied combat systems across many games before but then the Batman Arkham games popularized that brain dead type of combat that we have in almost every game today where you just mash one button until you see an icon telling you to counter, instead of actually conveying that with clear attack animations.
I really think the infamous and more specifically second son, has a really strong game mechanic, with the unlocking of new powers through your play through, the need to manage experience points and time to better yourself and your abiities, the choice to be good or evil, and in general some pretty nice graphics and a wonderful story line. Things make sense and the reasons for why and how things evolve durring the game are well explained. I recenty went back to paying the game after a year or two away, and after playing around again the controls are intuitive. There are some things that can get repetitive over time, but with the ammount of enemies coming at you in battle, you are constantly faced with the need to expand your arsonal and use the other abiities raather then just button smashing the attack button. The cooldown effect also adds a nice edge to the game in intense situations, its not intrusive yet provides an extremely clear message of hide, block, or run before its game over. Overal i realy enjoy this game and i woud highly reccomend infamous: second son to anyone :)
One of the best combat I found in a videogame was in Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. Something that I like in a combat system is an intuitive control scheme that still has enough depth for you to learn the ins and outs, variety of enemy types with their own weaknesses and freedom for player expression. This game uses not only its items/weapons and abilities to aide you in combat, but the environments as well: you can trigger traps against enemies, use parkour to hit them where they can't hit you or, if you are on a balcony, just grab them and throw them off the railing.
my friend pedro is perfect. it checks off all the boxes and more. i'd like to add that sound design also make fighting ten times better, good sound design can tell you what is less important actions with soft sounds like swooshes on dashing and rolling and big clangs on parries and heavy hits.
@@someone-iv2nt no, your the friend of a man born into a corrupt family of criminals that was spawned when the son of the family knocked himself out to forget it all. (this might not be right because i haven't played the game in forever)
10:46 Often overlooked aspect. "Weight". Hitting something should feel like you are hitting something with effort and inertia and committed movement , not a quiet suggestion of maybe possibly brushing lightly against something with a feather duster (Skyrim).
I really liked Horizon Zero Dawn’s combat system. You could shoot off armor and weapons from machines, pick them up, and use it against them. The quick paced bow combat was pretty cool!
Me two I commented saying Horizon as well it actually is weird to me since I like older rpg games the only one of my usual recruitment it meets is being able to grind levels as much as your heart desires
I recently finished horizon and I love the combat as well. However, my problem with it is how there isn't exactly a proper boss fight in it. I can't really consider thunder Jaws and other machines on the same level be a boss since they are easy to find. The closest thing to a boss there are the corruptors and deathbringers but since they are basically used in every huge fight, they don't feel special anymore either.
My older brother was having trouble on the first saber tooth thing you fight as a boss, and he kept playing the game normally. When I learned there was a dodge with I-frames, I dark souls'd the hell out of it with the melee, since it had super one dimensional attacks.
"Accomplishment" could also be in there too, how much satisfaction you get from beating strong enemies. Sekiro is that game for me, the rush if adrenaline you get from mastering the timing and moves of a boss until finally beating it is something I've never experienced in a game before.
Genuine counterpoint from a game design graduate here. His example on gameplay evolving by introducing a shield enemy that needs to be pushed to create an opening, then making a variant that challenges this could be harmful depending on how its done. When you create a language with the player to indicate what mechanics work where only to betray it later, it can create confusion and a mistrust of established knowledge. However, you can indicate that this new variant can't be pushed over with some key features to build upon prior knowledge without betraying it entirely, such as adding big spikes to the shield, this in turn would tell the player that, logically, pushing this enemy would hurt you, so you try to find a different way to hurt them. Maybe less a counterpoint and more an expansion on that point.
Ye, I noticed that too. I was thinking about how Spyro indicates what can and can't be flamed by making non-flammable creatures, boxes, etc. metallic. And super similar thing with charging. You can't charge anything that's much larger than you. (Although there are _some_ enemies that you can push back by charging.)
This confusion is purposefully used very well of Deepnest from Hollow Knight. (Spoilers after this mark) What team cherry was going for was to break what you've figured out up to that point in the game. There's a fake bench, when the player up until that point saw benches as the best thing ever. There's an enemy that, after you kill it, starts attacking again when the player might be healing. Every surface might be dangerous. Nosk. It all works to make this place seem like somewhere you shouldn't be, or are not welcome in
Thank you guys for giving some nice feedback to this point. I did think about it later that whether or not it is good to betray the character's established knowledge was based on the kind of game you were building.
True, it has to be done right. I think in the example he gave, it's a good game mechanic because it makes you have to think and figure out their weakness instead of repeating the same attacks as on the last enemy. But there are situations where it could also be a bad game mechanic
Agree with Returnal for sure! It was such a fun game and I earned the Platinum trophy for it and put almost 90 hours in it. I havent played Ultrakill so I wouldnt know
Months of work went into this video, I seriously hope you guys love it!
Thank you for all the amazing support as always! Now I'm gonna go play some Halo Infinite
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Hey Circle toons love the animation!
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As you should good job 👍
Where's your discord?
i mean not gonna lie i would totally get the toaster upgrade, 18% is pretty sick
try toast and milk and tell me how it is
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Almost +20% that’s gonna be a fifth faster than normal
I read that as try toasting milk, I was like *wat*
It’s Dani!!
Especially when you pair it with the +30% bread thickness ability
This was great, now I know exactly how to fight you when the time comes!
I am the architect of my own destruction....
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@@CircleToonsHD so it would seem
Please accept me as a man with a brain
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@@SomeThingElseYT hate to say it, I don’t think I can help you. Especially since I have already subscribed 👉👈
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Monster Hunter World was this game for me, I never felt such growth in a game only to get humbled by the next elder dragon and me seeking a way to overcome it.
My first MH was Generations Ultimate and going from that to Rise Sunbreak was like going from a fighter jet to one of the toy planes outside of stores 😂
Had the same feeling with DD. I felt on top of the world, freaking unstoppable. Then I met a gryphon. It didn't go well.
this man used to drag characters around on microsoft paint and now he can do this.
So proud
He did some serious animation in the past, check his early videos
he still drags stuff in ms paint its just how he does stuff he’s able to do both he just does ms paint more
It’s similar to making animations and making tiktoks. You can spend ages making an animation but making a tiktok wouldn’t take too long. Not saying that making the ms paint stuff wouldn’t take a while but I’m just comparing the two.
"Without clarity, the other aspects all fall apart", he used an egg to represent clarity, and eggs are used to hold ingredients together in cooking. I see what you did there!
Suddenly oranges ??
An ad played right after he shot the guy yelling Assassins creed, that was hilarious.
same
Yoo same
I got a Genshin Impact one... Again...
It may be intentional because it happened to me too
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This has helped me to better understand and appreciate the Resident Evil games. I'm not a fan of having to be careful with my item management to beat the game, but if I just switch my perspective that the item management is apart of the game and not necessarily the combat itself, I'm more encouraged to try the earlier ones. It's like a challenge now to how good I can manage my items.
Agreed my only problem with it (I don’t know if this is true in all re games I’ve only played re 2&3 remakes a bit of re4 and re7) is the aiming sometimes mainly because I’m on console and getting headshots with a controller when you don’t have aim assist is harder then a genshin player when they see a child so conserving ammo and resources can be a pain in the a$$ to deal with
I don't know that +18% toaster speed sounds mad op tbh.
Throw it into a bathtub of your enemies to cook a perfect hearty meal of monster guts and odd tasting tomato sauce.
It gets even better when you unlock the next skill of adding a second slot to your toaster.
It is a must in a dedicated build with toaster, but for anything else...
Nope because the bread now has +18% toasting resistance, NOTHING HAS CHANGED
It’s very op, it increases your toasters rate of fire by +18%!!! It’s a freaking Gatling gun out here!
In all seriousness, Circletoons makes a lot of sense and makes a lot of good advice for game devs in the future
Bro, where did you come from?
I feel like I've seen you from story recapped? Or was it a genshin video I watched?
@@aragic9983 here's your awnser, he's fucking everywhere
@Just Some Guy without a Mustache is everywhere!!
Woah this commenting god is everywhere and can’t believe I’m here before this comment gets over 1k likes
Imagine if what came out of that soup was Raid: Shadow Legends and this was an ad all along.
Lmfao
That’s what I thought was gonna happen when he opened up the pot 😂
I would never watch this channel again
*"always has been"*
*hyperventilating*
Hollow Knight is a great example of most of these things. Easily a great game with several challenges.
I came looking for that recommendation in the comments. thank you
was gonna say this but it has been said already.
I was making sure that the people were informed, and they were
Youre damn right
I wonder... which box does hollow knight NOT fill?
Circles production value has gone thru the ceiling. It’s fucking incredible.
Gamer battle soup 🥺
*y e s*
Circle explaining this must mean one thing.
He's making a game
I would 100% play it just for the comedy like when that random guy said assassins creed and got shot (I absolutely agree about assassins creed)
Where can he hire me
@@fahadalsubaie8073 agree on circle side or the other guy?
Idk like he has some points but he has still a lotta learn, but I'll support him doing whatever he loves
@@elyay7203 I think he agrees with circle
In terraria something like a 2.5% bonus is considered op, when other games let you do double damage every other attack and stuff like that.
Yeah I think incremental boosts are just as much of a tool as huge gameplay warping upgrades. You gotta mix and match them juuuust right... OOOOR just be a metroidvania.
Oh, that's one reasonable, just no-bullsh game, interesting, thank you.
You see but why attack when you can have 160 defense
@@beebeasley3074 why have 160 defense with calamity, when you get 2 hit as if you had 40 regardless :D
Bro I had to spent like 12 plat to get my accs and weapons to reasonable prefixes, and thats the only bad thing about preparing your equipment in Terraria
I'm not sure if there's such thing as a perfect combat system, but I think different kinds of combats work best for different games. Hollow Knight, for example, manages to have an incredibly simple yet deep combat, not in the sense of having to use lots of buttons, but that in its simplicity it has so much room to grow. Each scenario is different and requires different skills from the player, the combat yet so simple is so satisfying and gives the sensation of growth through learning
doom mention, good video!
For Honor mention, bad video!
@thx islam is fake
Mr Hoodie Man, gimmie your alternate dimensional tripolygonal wall cotton candy
@@Rimuru1 wtf
Hello brother
Also first furry
"The guy that's known for playing every single video game and 100%ing each one"
I thought that was The Completionist
This is probably one of my favorite videos on the entire platform, such a funny, informative but not too bias it’s so well done
"This shit bussin" is where I lost it.
This shit bussin 🎮😩
where did he say that
@@Ammar-qt8io starts at 2:45 for set up
Man, just imagine how much more bread I could toast with that upgrade
@koiun dwrru what
About 18%
18 ?
this that HIGH QUALITY stuff
personally, simplistic controls are so much less overwhelming than having every button to use in combat. Jedi Survivor, Hollow Knight, and Assassin's Creed (at least the new ones) all feel so fun to fight in because anyone can do it. It's simplistic, you cant really make mistakes in what move you wanna pull off. It's just attack or block/dodge.
true, but the problem is the challenge. A game can have one basic button for light and heavy attacks, another for blocking, another for dodging, and still be challenging.
A fighting game like smash ultimate has relatively simple controls that are easy to learn but difficult to master (although of course, it varies from character to character). I think a good combat system is just that; easy to learn, difficult to master.
There's so many ways to combine and upgrade these stats that make the combat fun and engaging, but a lot of games miss the mark.
I just like it when the combat is balanced between simple and complex.
Which is different for everyone
That's one thing I love about the 2D action games like Hollow Knight and Katana Zero, because even if the side-scroller format and core control schemes are super simple at a glance the different situations and challenges slowly escalate and evolve into a lot of unique and multi-layered encounters.
1st time seing a circletoonsHD animation :0
Amaze
A game that, at least for me, has a "perfect" combat system is Hyper Light Drifter. It's just so damn satisfying to kill enemies in that game that I've finishied it like 10 times
GOD WHY DID I FORGET TO ADD THAT
I was very surprised you didn't mentioned, but I'm happy to know you've enjoyed it. That game is an absolute gem
@@CircleToonsHD Circle, I think God of War 2018 contradict or do not fulfilled the points you've made.
Agency, GOW confines you to a linear passage while also incorporating weapon specific enemies. Imbalances, the game gives you the same enemy types throughout a playthrough just with higher stats. Evolution, it's rather limited but grants the allusion of complexity through the branching skill tree and earning runic attacks. On a related note, I have to say that "button mashy" is a criticism of yourself because the choice of attacks are reliant own your creativity.
Clarity and Control, the FOV. For a series that relishes on the one man army trope, it's utterly confusing as to why the devs agree to limit it with a tightly frame camera. I get the idea of complementing narrative but the band aid solution of giving threat indicators already compromise that. And for a melee focused game, the screen gets messy if players attempt crazier moves against multiple enemies as it is filled with motions and particle effects. Also, we lose manual jumping because of this.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FELLOW HLD FAN SPOTTED LET'S GOOOOOOO
I literally played it today, it's my 3rd of 4th playthrough, and NG+
I remember finishing my first NG+ run, and right after that discovering that the cape, bot and sword you wear actually has a bunch of diferent effects including the super useful +1 HP that would have spared me of i don't know how many deaths
You know he gets serious when he actually animates.
No more dragging drawings on a screen. This is peak content now
That is peak efforts right there
You mean: you know he gets serious when someone animates for him
Flowing, fast and varied moves. It's why Arkham series and middle few Assassins Creed games were so good.
My hot take: didn't like Arkham combat. Felt very one button and automatically easy
One genre that gets to explore all of this but I think is frequently overlooked is metroidvania type platformers.
Hollow Knight and Ori 2 are great examples of games that basically check all these boxes, at least for me.
Why not portal 2 as well?
Yeah, Hollow Knight is one of my favorite games, and I've just recently completed it again. It's a game you can come back to over and over.
Ori 2 had really great combat. That was the largest improvement from the first game. The best part about the combat is how you maneuver yourself to attack and dodge attacks using bash. Truly one of the best abilities in gaming.
@@VulcanAurelius Portal doesn't have combat bruv
don't forget about speed brawl
Devil May Cry has literally every button being used for something different. It is the epitome of playing your controller like a piano.
SMOKIN' SEXY STYLE~!!!
@@spiralgodking9877 you must be motivated
@@CaffeinatedCaveDweller I am.
yeah, these games are pretty much a masterpieces (except 2)
Me, who normally spams buttons until something works, learning about combos: *Now I’m feeling a little motivated*
Omg, the Clarity really hits me hard with how I'm feeling hurt by games these days. I know that some kids would want to play the game as well, but a 5+ minutes tutorial for one mechanic wouldn't help me nor the child I believe.
This is the way i feel with the witcher.
Yeah generally tutorials are done awful. Hate it when you physically can't skip them.
@@joemency2242 Although The Witcher is clearly a game not made for kids.
I had no idea you did longer style video’s, these are truly lovely to watch 😊😁
Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey fit a lot of these points ngl
I hate how true this is
monke
Agreed
69 likes nice
Monke
"your toaster toasts 18 percent faster"
Hey where can I get this skill.
I need to know this info too
Wasteland 3 with its Toaster Repair skill line is *chefs kiss*
@@danielnunez1587 thank you comrade
I have been enlightened
www.youtubesolit.com/watch?v=yIGqWNjhsFo
The perfect combat system is basically if "chef's kiss" was a game
@thx shut up
There's a game that I've been playing called "Curse Of The Dead Gods" it's a rogue-like but does a really good job of the things that were said in this video. I would recommend checking it out if you're into Hades!
I dont know man dealing more dmg to vegetarian scorpions is quite a buff, those things hurt like crazy and have alot of health
But is it better than 13% toaster buff? I think not!
'cause they eat healthy
They're so annoying, fairly quick and hard to see. They hit then run for safety. Their poison effect is strong as hell, and it stacks too. You better have potions ready. If you get hit by them more than three times, you're basically crippled. Four, and just call yourself dead, its literally a terminal illness.
@@hiway19891 18% actually. Toaster is much better imo
I don't know man all you need to do is switch to a weapon that has the "meat lover" enchantment when fighting vegetarian scorpions, so that skill is kinda a waste of skill point imo
This video just oozes with passion and love for video game combat, and it's refreshing to hear an in-depth analysis on it. So many points were brilliantly brought up but none felt like filler. Those months of work really paid off. Love it!
This has been the greatest thing I've seen in a long while.
words cannot describe how much i love monster hunter's combat, especially from a lore point of view as you actively exploit these animal's biology as you fight them, i got issues with generations ultimate (like how cutting off a rathian's tail STILL POISONS YOU WHEN IT BACKFLIPS) but it's overall absolutely perfect for me
Hollow Knight bosses can make you feel like they are LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT, but when you do, it feels so so good, like it can make you literally feel like a BOSS
Grimm, NKG, and Radiance were so fun to fight and finally beat
@@shmarfle47 Yeah
Just like Dark Souls in general.
For me most hollow knight bosses are really fun and satisfying cuz of the learning curve. Take for example hornet at first you die almost instantly but after a few fights you start dodging and a few more you feel so good dodging hitting dodging hitting again. But some bosses are just cancer for example traitor lord made me want to quit until I finaly beat him. But I truthly love the combat in hollow knight.But some sections like white palace are straight up just pain.
I never thought 2D games would be fun and have lore, but when I played hollow knight it blew my mind.
My therapist: smooth CircleToonsHD isn’t real, he can’t hurt you.
CircleToonsHD:
Well it is circle toons HD so it lives up to the name
7:37 And THIS is why I love Terraria soo much. When you get hermes boots, grappling hook, wings, ect. You just wonder how you played without them.
Same with aragami 2, the ability to see where the enemies have gone and where they are going to go is acquired a bit later in the game and I always just forget how handy it is, no joke most of the missions would be impossible without it.
The biggest problem for me is the game is so f’ing hard to replay honestly like the first 3 bosses I fight in a play through are so hard because I forgot the control sceme
Yes
@@aquitetiredguy2158 i'm really sorry to say this but
get good
I felt the same way in hollow knight, especially since you go from killing an oversized fly to killing god
HIFI Rush my favourite combat in my opinion, the slowly adding enemies, mechanics and regular new moves keeps it feeling constantly fresh, all while making sure to time all actions to the beat. The bosses ramp up the spectacle and difficulty perfectly and the different knockbacks, effects, and STUNNING visuals make every fight a fresh treat
Circle should make his own game at this point. That'd be amazing.
He should be the director at least
Maybe he should work with a dev team as a creative director/consultant. He seems to know his shit conceptually, but i'd guess he doesn't know a lot of Programming and integrating these Systems into an actual game (could be wrong about that tho).
It would be really cool to see a Videogame with his vision someboday!
It's infinitely easier to talk about what makes good game combat, than to actually implement it into a real game. You can make a list of goals, discuss the theory and all, but to actually design and build a game which takes on all of these attributes is a completely different set of skills and knowledge, which almost nobody watching this video will have.
I like gamedev and those advices are actually really good it's rly good
@@BigDaddyWes I think quite a few indie devs will be watching this, if just for some infotainment.
Hollow Knight has such amazing combat- so simple but so good. It’s tactile and varied, giving you choices but never becoming overwhelming
ya this wun ses it rite
Yes I was wondering how long it would take to see someone else who taught this
yeah, and it fills every criteria
Why don’t more games use badge systems for upgrades? Or the ability to respec like dark souls? This allows players to play their way. It’s just better.
i love hollow knight so much. That game is a masterpiece.
Botw has great combat I mean I personally love how after a while once you’ve gotten far into the game it’s just so satisfying to sweep through enemy’s wether it be with a sword a spear a big sword a bow or even a shield
I swear that out the entire thing I was screaming out loud botw.
If I had the choice to replay it for the first time again it would probably be my first choice because I kind of spoiled it with playthroughs guides exploits and I pretty much hate myself for destroying a perfectly great game for loot SMH🤦♂️
After playing through Skyward Sword HD, even the button-only controls feel downright frustrating against late-game enemies. Basically, I just want to play BOTW again
I like games where the combat seems simple at first till you realise some of the moves used for other things can be used for the combat, I recently discovered while fuckin around in Sonic Frontiers that you can use the wild rush to cancel out of any attacks meaning if you are close enough to do a wild rush on an enemy then you can do attacks way faster
I always hated whenever the game would make the same enemy scale in level with the player like "Well since I'm a higher level and deal more damage (and you deal more to me) that makes me an amazing enemy!"
Overgrowth has one of the best and most satisfying combat I've ever played.
Definitely an underrated game. Check it out!
hell yeah, it's so satisfying to kill those pesky wolf
Overgrowth is way too fun
@@deltaunion5334 mmm yeah and don't forget to kill some rabbits too it also so satisfied :)
Oh man that game was so fucking fun, getting off a perfect rabbit kick on a wolf and instakilling them was like, the most satisfying thing you could do in a videogame
One thing I want to see in games is enemys working together, such as having a sheild boy with the weakness of being shoved ,but when you do shove him a different type of enemy will counter you by shoving you. It would be great for a game to have 10 different types of enemys that work well together and can make different difficult to defeat teams.
Devs of Witcher 3 say that enemies attack differently when they are in a group.
Souls games. Demon souls variety pack of soldiers will end you so quick.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 I don't think that's what there talking about, in soul like games generally a mob of weak monsters do the same thin g they would do alone but there more of them so you can very easily get stunlocked
Competitive Pokemon is like this in a way.
I feel like i saw this in some game, but i can't really remember. The closest i can think of, is sadly a turn based example. Chrono Trigger has enemies do different attacks when grouped up with certain types and they also have different reactions depending on field placement and attacks used.
Cyberpunk 2077 has some of the best one vs the world combat systems ive ever played. Hits all five points, plus the seamless transition between dialogue to combat is so immersive. Talking to someone and they said something you didn't like don't even exit the convo just pull out your shotgun slow down time and shoot them back where they came from. Beautiful.
The part about not letting the player getting too comfy reminded me about Metal Gear Rising so much because the start of the game you dont really mind mechanics like parrying but then when you reach Monsoon and Jetstream Sam you realize how important parrying is and the game tells you to go for it whenever you can and to me thats good game design and gives the player more and more freedom on how they play
I didn't even figure out how to parry before monsoon, but I learned how to parry and that white people with Sam. I think the pinnacle of metal gear rising revengeance is the fight Jetstream Sam, but I love the grandio scale of senator Armstrong is the final boss.
Also another thing that they weaponize comfortability in that game is that up until the sundowner fight despite sundowner being really easy unlike all bosses previously he is slow tanky and does a lot of damage where all the bosses before him are fast agile and the differences between the combat of sundowner and all the bosses before it causing you to have to adapt to a whole new type of bossfight
Bladewolf exist to bully you into learning how to parry, Monsoon is there in case you need an extra beating to learn it
6:02 Destiny, in a nutshell. This is one of Bungie's biggest flaws with their game. There is absolutely no sense in a light/power level if the guy who just started a new character and myself at max level, do the same amount of damage to a level 1 enemy. So lame! Bungie has a fear of players being too strong. This was a good video.
I totally agree with this, i took a break from D2 recently and moved to sekiro, I am a souls veteran but i had to re learn a completely different combat system, but it feel so satisfying coming back to an earlier game area such as Senpou temple and breaking most of the enemies posture in a few hits. Another thing is looking back at the earlier game bosses/minibosses and seeing how quickly their posture bar fills compared to the slow almost antagonizing build of the final boss’ bar (sword saint isshin). well with the exception of the third phase as his lightning attacks can give you an advantage.
Long story short, games should make you realize that your journey was and still is meaningful, and a very simple way of doing that is scaling enemies based on the area or just that specific enemy type in general.
I stopped playing Destiny when all the Christmas noobs were able to just leap into gear I had to GRIND for, allowing them to easily and quickly level up to my high level/ gear score.
I've had the opposite problem with a lot of games too though, including Destiny at times. It's a really weird balance that designers have to strike between making you constantly feel more powerful than before while also making sure every encounter is more difficult than the last despite all those upgrades. Relative to the challenges you face, you should always be getting weaker, not stronger, but the way you FEEL needs to be the inverse.
the immediate example my brain applied to that clip, along with warframe XD
The game that has my favorite combat has to be Devil May Cry 5, there are just so many options and so much to learn to perfect the combos you can do. It starts by giving you the basics and as you progress you get more tools, more moves, and more weapons that can all be paired with each other in some way to do combos. I have never seen a game that wants the player to style on the enemies as much as this game and I highly recommend it to anyone this sounds appealing to.
That's exactly the game I was thinking of while watching this video. I think the most fun I've ever had with combat in video games is with any of the Dante sections. He's pretty difficult to learn but the game does a great job of easing you into the infinite possibilities of his moveset whether you are a newcomer or veteran of the series
Most dmc games are great, 3,4&5 are the best, 1 is great but it’s combat isn’t as good as the other three, and 2.... we don’t talk about 2... that game can be boiled down to ‘enter devil trigger, spam ebony and ivory, win’ 😒
@@ryanmann5497 you mean you don't like the time that devil may cry became a third person shooter? Remember that helicopter fight though??
@@notmakingitsoeasy3751 nope, it was bad
I finished devil may cry 5 and it amazing and worth playing. My favourite characters to play was vegil because of the combat and the music (Bury the light).
At 9:46 I had a pretty similar experience in clash of clans, I was trying to beat a really hard goblin level and I couldn’t figure it out, so I took a nap to recalibrate my system and I figured out in my sleep that the mortar is better at destroying groups and if I wanted to win I had to split my barbarians up, it felt really good that I figured it out myself and that’s what I love about other games with that mechanic.
the gods sent you a sign
"Perfect Videogame Combat" is when every neuron in your brain is lit up and you're pouring every ounce of your adrenaline, reflexes and combat mastery into a fight.
Examples of this in my opinion are Orphan of Kos [Bloodborne], Vergil [Devil May Cry 5], Moon Lord [Terraria], Isshin, the Sword Saint [Sekiro] and basically any late-game shootout in Doom Eternal.
I don’t think I’ve ever felt a high like the one after beating orphan of kos for the first time from any other video game. Isshin came close
Or the mantis lords in hollow knight
Killing the enderdragon with only your fists in one go
So you get a seizure
@@RANDOMASIANGUY1 exactly
He finally makes an actual animation. AND ITS SO SMOOTH
Hes made animation before just short ones
i believe dark souls series has nailed the best gameplay for some players expecting in the adventure genre as you cant button smash your way, has many movements and even combo like light , heavy , and special attack for both single and double hand. it has lots of weapons suitable for their builds and every dark souls game has that unique style of gameplay and lots of other amazing feelings you feel after defeating that god damn bossfight
Honestly dark souls 3's combat is so good my only issue with it is that it makes 1 and 2 feel clunky by comparison
Dark Souls players rise up!we gotta over throw the goverment!
@@juancampos9468 100% agree and since Dark Souls 1 and 2 are just so good anyways Im still willing to play them
I mean I guess, as long as it does not overrun other ip, im fine with the combat.
I finished demon's soul and it was fine I guess.
But when I started dark soul, I got my ass kicked. Which is fine. But the sheer amount of death is personally too much.
I felt like in demon's soul, the game was great when the game was hard, but not when it was HARD. I feel that difficulty is like...
Nsfw. Bdsm. If its too gentle, then its boring and might as well do the real thing, do it to harsh and it just hurt but do it in between and it work great.
Demon's soul is for me(except the two manticore, the big lava dude and false king alan) the exact right amount of difficulty. Dark soul is too much for me. And no, im not willing to get good. I just don't enjoy the process of getting good in dark soul unlike demon's soul.
Now, im not asking them to put an easy mode. It would destroy the point of souls game. You can't go into a souls game and asking it to be easy. Souls is for souls fan and I respect that.
My problem is, when that souls philosophy come to franchises that did not have that way of doing thing. Like darksider 3 or doom eternal. That is when I will complain. You have your thing, we have ours.
But yeah. Souls combat is great. No wonder people try as best as they can to copy it.
@@clapointe151 if u thought dark souls 1 was hard lmao blood borne, sekiro is gonna make u burn ur house down and never look back. Because dark souls 1 believe it or not is one of the easier souls games. lol
I'm glad you mentioned For Honor.
It has a cool and unique combat system that no other games have.
It's why I love it so much.
This cooking show is so damn wild.
That "1 vs the world factor" hit different.
Doom does this perfectly imo
"Not everything should scale with the player" *ahem* fallout 76 *ahem* the scorched/feral ghouls should not take three point blank shots from a combat shotgun *ahem*
lmao
That's just Bethesta's garbage level progression. Fallout 3 and Skyrim had the same fucking issue.
To be fair they didn't do that until like three years into the game and it was mostly to jack up enemies for high level characters.
@@meoff7602 yeah but it shouldn't effect enemies that are supposed to be weak
8:22 like the zelda reference
also if you are wondering what the reference is it is one of the creatures camp
What a beautiful video, thank you for all the effort you put in this one
CircleToons: “You should be rewarded after defeating a boss”
Dark Souls: Here’s a ember and the bosses soul gtfo
I know gfto is probably a typo but my brain read it a get F,d too often and now I’m physically wheezing 😂
@@Tomberoniandcheese I dont think its a typo, DS3 basically says "gtfo and go die now" after every boss. I love it.
Gfto = Get F**ked Too Often
Boss weapons are pretty cool
@@conoromeara6108 read the comment again he said gfto(incorrect) not gtfo(correct)
ULTRAKILL checks pretty much everything on the list.
Agreed, but it was in his list of reccomended games at the end.
I got that game like 2 weeks ago, no downsides, I love the game
Ultrakill is literally perfect gameplay wise. Slick and responsive movement, satisfying and unique weapons and abilities and equipment that are all useful and add to the flow of combat. The gimmick of healing yourself with the blood of the damned is both fun and absolutely badass.
doom and ultrakill our the fps gods
praise hakita
… damn … thats the most polish surname I ever seen… like … it’s named after a city and also has ski at the end
🤓: Batman Arkham City/Knight may have "press counter to watch a movie" but I do enjoy its evolution where you gradually go from : beating up a lollipop gooner to the Chad tax evader. Both challenge maps of infinite combat and Infinite stealth arenas back this up to some degree. I haven't booted up Dark Souls 3 yet and I'm excited to see how far my mental health can deplete in one sitting
Personally, I think there’s a 6th point: Attacks. Good games slowly scale not only your player level, but the weapons you have as well. If I’m fighting some mid game boss, I don’t want to use the starter club, I want to use fire swords or water schythes or a grass gun, interesting weapons that spruce up the game. In games that aren’t focused on weapons, giving you cool abilities that are functional are great. Spider-Man ps5 does this well, slowly building up your abilities and giving you new gadgets
Lol
Grass gun.
So you want terraria
I disagree, I like how Dark would does it. Where you have the option to power up your old starter weapons or just get newer cooler ones
These can be good for added spectacle but aren't really needed. God of War has one satisfyingly designed axe to chop things to pieces. In Sekiro you run around with the same sword the entire game and everything is about using it to counter. The ability part was pretty much covered in this video but is once again not mandatory (Dark Souls 3) where the combat is so tightly designed that it doesn't need to evolve. Only the enemies evolve around you and you have to manage.
I like the idea of the beginning item being basic and just does the job, but as you play there are items that change up how you play. Like a shield that if you get a perfect block you gain a little attack speed, so you can now attack and then dodge, but that shield doesn't absorb as much damage. So now you have to think about what you block and what you dodge, but the damage doesn't fall off, but you find more items made for other playstyles you could try out. That's what I think would be good for the point 6 you made.
IMO hollow knight does all of these things. It uses a lot of abilities, buttons and player choice, with clarity
Same with dark souls, except maybe evolution
Hollow knight is the perfect game right?
@@rachelcheng9510 tbh my only gripe is that the opening is a bit slow but besides that the game is amazing.
@@letsBrn the opening is a tutorial, its meant to be slow. It doesnt feel like a tutorial because its not supposed to be but it 100% is
yeah I was thinking the same thing, each ability feels so impactful and allows you to find out how to incorporate it into the battles
The combat in Middle Earth: Shadow of War is just amazing. I spent at least two weeks not doing any quests or story just so I can kill...orcs.
Yep. And the best of all is that there are so many different ways to approach different targets/locations. Ive played from start to finish 2 times already 😁
middle earth combat is so repetitive it should be a crime. Every encounter takes 15 minutes because you have party which is very easy but then oh no you have to finish them on the ground and when you have other enemies fighting you, you can't finish them off. The combat is so annoying
PC version is awesome but console key binding is trash .
@@mr.bigguy1956 If you think that ground execution is the only way to kill something, then you can't be more than wrong
@@AtilonWoW its the main way otherwise it takes forever to kill them. the combat is extremely flawed
the witcher's 3 combat is pretty sick, it doesnt outright tell you what you should do, when going up against different creatures you have to figure out what each one of them does.
I really liked how Breath of the Wild handled combat. Elemental attacks, runes, stealth, flurry rushes, bullet time and the number of ways you can approach combat challenges. If you're careful with the controls and what you have you can take down nearly any enemy, and pulling off combos feels so nice.
M A T R I X B A C K F L I P S
@@deathus90 ikr
And the speed runners using every technique at once to show how weak a guardian is to them
@@jd50053 watching them bring the physics to its knees is amazing
@@ArtemisWasHere Fr it’s beautiful
Honestly I feel like a lot of people count out 2D games when it comes to open-ended/open world combat games, but terraria is magnificent when it comes to all this. Countless playstyles and simple but effective controls that translate well across numerous platforms. It’s a game of movement and possibilities, and easily one of my all-time favorites
I totally agree, and also some people don't enjoy games with the survival aspect as much as they do games that focus mostly or only on fighting. I know which side of that I'm on with my 500+ hours in terraria, but that's just my assumption. Also go watch the dark souls video it kind explains some of circle's views on combat and difficulty. He do got good opinions tho
I immediately thought of terraria at 7:36. finishing a playthrough and starting again without wings or a hook or a sword that oneshots most enemies makes you wonder how you survived early game at all. in terms of evolution, terraria does a good job of scaling slowly but satisfyingly
Not me looking through the comments looking for someone to say terraria…
@@jameskivenko pre hard mode kinda hurts
I love Terraria combat but another- my favorite- 2D game is Hollow Knight. It’s combat system is so amazing and when you play well it feels awesome. :)
This vid is INCREDIBLY animated
I think your best point in here is about the combat not needing you to refresh yourself for so long when you come back. I've had so many games that I quit for a while, and by the time I come back I just end up restarting the game because I have no idea what the hell I'm doing anymore
*Sees that circle has uploaded* YEAH!
*Sees the video length* LESS GOOOOOOOOOOO
Also the unusually amazing animation quality
But i want more GOOOOOO
I want "Scarface: The World Is Yours" remake
th-cam.com/video/NyYnEvwfJO4/w-d-xo.html ..
Yes I loved this game. GTA elements but added in some business into it. Love this when I was 8 years old
This, BLACK, and Mercenaries 2 were my jam.
The World Ends With You fits this entirely. If you haven't played it, circle, i'd recommend trying it out, it's really good! Hollow Knight also feels like it fits this very well.
i love how circle was able to make a good lecture of combat become a entertaining, interesting, and funny animation.
The Dishonored series has the perfect gameplay imo. They let you in big ass open levels where you can go almost everywhere and choose your approach (you even have the possibility to not kill anyone) and always be creative with a wide variety of options (you can like throw things from the decor like glasses), upgrades give you useful powers, ennemies are all different from each others, the mechanics are freaking awesome... it definitely have one of the greatest combat system of all time.
But it’s kinda bs that if your not interested is stealth/pasifist style the game says:”you are a horrible person and the world is fucked because of you.” Meanwhile the ignore all and be boring in the shadow path says: “ you didn’t murder anyone,the world is now happy and the plague doesn’t exist,yay.”
@@JokerInTheCardDeck1273 what you don't like to be a monster ?
I do
@@JokerInTheCardDeck1273 And that's why I'm having way more fun in Deathloop, because you don't have to care about moral dilemas. Kill them all with awesome tools, powers and weapons.
Hehe Domino go WEEEEEE
No joke!! for whole of the video dishonored was in my mind! like it clearly have all of the things toons mentioned in his video! i guess the only logical reason is he never played it
11:09 ULTRAKILL is really a great recommendation, and an extremely underrated game as well
This game is great, however, v2 could not exist
I agree. Although it definitely isn’t underrated, it’s just not as publicly known as it should be.
Yes! It’s such a good game, and I’m glad to see it’s name going around more
@@cayo990tm8 but v2 is the best part
May I recommend h o t l i n e m i a m i
This needs to be shown to actual game devs, a lot of solid points and a ton of good examples
That assumes that game devs want to create a combat system like that... many casual gamers like the Assassin's Creed style of combat system BECAUSE it is so f***ing easy. Those type of players rarely write in gaming forums or TH-cam comments. But they are a huge customer group.
@@mariotormann5904 The sad thing is that we had a lot of varied combat systems across many games before but then the Batman Arkham games popularized that brain dead type of combat that we have in almost every game today where you just mash one button until you see an icon telling you to counter, instead of actually conveying that with clear attack animations.
I really think the infamous and more specifically second son, has a really strong game mechanic, with the unlocking of new powers through your play through, the need to manage experience points and time to better yourself and your abiities, the choice to be good or evil, and in general some pretty nice graphics and a wonderful story line. Things make sense and the reasons for why and how things evolve durring the game are well explained. I recenty went back to paying the game after a year or two away, and after playing around again the controls are intuitive. There are some things that can get repetitive over time, but with the ammount of enemies coming at you in battle, you are constantly faced with the need to expand your arsonal and use the other abiities raather then just button smashing the attack button. The cooldown effect also adds a nice edge to the game in intense situations, its not intrusive yet provides an extremely clear message of hide, block, or run before its game over. Overal i realy enjoy this game and i woud highly reccomend infamous: second son to anyone :)
*"clears throat"*
*"deep inhale"*
The Devil May Cry Series (especially 5)
Anything Platinum is top tier...
@@vergil_6707 Platinum Games. Like Bayonetta and Metal Gear Rising
@@vergil_6707 Platinum games
@@realaj3686 yes that game has great combat too. But Devil May Cry tho
@@ryansparks2131 but dmc5 isnt Platinum?
When Circle actually animates: A BLESSING FROM THE LORD
I’ll be real, Titanfall 2’a campaign embodies everything here
The game literally tells you the weakness's of certain titans and enemies.
@@richmeisterradio it does? Cause most of the time you have to play to find out how to counter each titan
absolutely agree one of the best fps campaigns I've played in a long time
@@m.ubaidaadam Have you played Doom Eternal?
@@pocketglove yeah it was amazing too hence why I said ONE of the best I’ve played
One of the best combat I found in a videogame was in Prince of Persia: Warrior Within.
Something that I like in a combat system is an intuitive control scheme that still has enough depth for you to learn the ins and outs, variety of enemy types with their own weaknesses and freedom for player expression.
This game uses not only its items/weapons and abilities to aide you in combat, but the environments as well: you can trigger traps against enemies, use parkour to hit them where they can't hit you or, if you are on a balcony, just grab them and throw them off the railing.
my friend pedro is perfect. it checks off all the boxes and more. i'd like to add that sound design also make fighting ten times better, good sound design can tell you what is less important actions with soft sounds like swooshes on dashing and rolling and big clangs on parries and heavy hits.
I'm your friend?
Agreed
Rest in splattered pieces pedro
@@someone-iv2nt no, your the friend of a man born into a corrupt family of criminals that was spawned when the son of the family knocked himself out to forget it all. (this might not be right because i haven't played the game in forever)
@@Street-Pigeons what
That beginning, when that audience member was so excited about an empty pot, when Toons said "what!? Its not even done yet!"
Thats early access.
or over hyping a game before its out :)
I like to think that "Effect | Cause" was a Titanfall 2 reference.
Eyyy 👌
10:46 Often overlooked aspect. "Weight". Hitting something should feel like you are hitting something with effort and inertia and committed movement , not a quiet suggestion of maybe possibly brushing lightly against something with a feather duster (Skyrim).
I really liked Horizon Zero Dawn’s combat system. You could shoot off armor and weapons from machines, pick them up, and use it against them. The quick paced bow combat was pretty cool!
Me two I commented saying Horizon as well it actually is weird to me since I like older rpg games the only one of my usual recruitment it meets is being able to grind levels as much as your heart desires
I recently finished horizon and I love the combat as well. However, my problem with it is how there isn't exactly a proper boss fight in it. I can't really consider thunder Jaws and other machines on the same level be a boss since they are easy to find. The closest thing to a boss there are the corruptors and deathbringers but since they are basically used in every huge fight, they don't feel special anymore either.
@@reinirgi3376 have you done new game+ or did you not get all the dlc for free since the completed bundle was free on ps4
@@twuble I got it for free. I've already done the dlc but not new game plus.
My older brother was having trouble on the first saber tooth thing you fight as a boss, and he kept playing the game normally. When I learned there was a dodge with I-frames, I dark souls'd the hell out of it with the melee, since it had super one dimensional attacks.
"Accomplishment" could also be in there too, how much satisfaction you get from beating strong enemies. Sekiro is that game for me, the rush if adrenaline you get from mastering the timing and moves of a boss until finally beating it is something I've never experienced in a game before.
the deathblow in sekiro is nice to hear
i approve
I was thinking about Hades the whole time, I'm glad you recommended it at the end because God how fucking good is that game
I was thinking the same thing, Hades is definitely one of my all time favorite games
I honestly thought of ghost of Tsushima
My only gripe with this video is that dead cells is nowhere on the recommendation board how can you talk about combat and not mention DEAD CELLS
Oh yes, it has the most interesting combat ever
Genuine counterpoint from a game design graduate here. His example on gameplay evolving by introducing a shield enemy that needs to be pushed to create an opening, then making a variant that challenges this could be harmful depending on how its done. When you create a language with the player to indicate what mechanics work where only to betray it later, it can create confusion and a mistrust of established knowledge. However, you can indicate that this new variant can't be pushed over with some key features to build upon prior knowledge without betraying it entirely, such as adding big spikes to the shield, this in turn would tell the player that, logically, pushing this enemy would hurt you, so you try to find a different way to hurt them.
Maybe less a counterpoint and more an expansion on that point.
Ye, I noticed that too.
I was thinking about how Spyro indicates what can and can't be flamed by making non-flammable creatures, boxes, etc. metallic. And super similar thing with charging. You can't charge anything that's much larger than you. (Although there are _some_ enemies that you can push back by charging.)
This confusion is purposefully used very well of Deepnest from Hollow Knight.
(Spoilers after this mark)
What team cherry was going for was to break what you've figured out up to that point in the game. There's a fake bench, when the player up until that point saw benches as the best thing ever. There's an enemy that, after you kill it, starts attacking again when the player might be healing. Every surface might be dangerous. Nosk. It all works to make this place seem like somewhere you shouldn't be, or are not welcome in
Or just push him harder
Ds3 did it like that and it worked 😂
Thank you guys for giving some nice feedback to this point. I did think about it later that whether or not it is good to betray the character's established knowledge was based on the kind of game you were building.
True, it has to be done right. I think in the example he gave, it's a good game mechanic because it makes you have to think and figure out their weakness instead of repeating the same attacks as on the last enemy. But there are situations where it could also be a bad game mechanic
Glad to see Returnal and Ultrakill get some love on your list. They're awesome game that deserve more appreciation.
Agree with Returnal for sure! It was such a fun game and I earned the Platinum trophy for it and put almost 90 hours in it. I havent played Ultrakill so I wouldnt know
@@knightfromlordran Ultrakill is insane, and it's voiced by a godly meme lord. Although difficulty can be insane sometimes
I haven't played Ultrakill yet but Returnal is for sure a great game. I just suck at it.
Ima be honest Devil May Cry 5 fits a lot of these.
I was thinking the same. That game has easily some of the sickest combat I've seen in a game
I can’t believe it was never mentioned at all
And it didn't even get a mention.
Sad Devil Trigger noises
Maybe he didn't play tat game yet.
I’m so fucking happy he mentioned ultrakill. If you haven’t go buy that game and play it until death and back.