Love the breakdown on Cyclops. Just need to add one thing. It’s not actually a problem to see his blast heat up some materials. It’s because of friction which his blast does generate. I did a whole Reddit post about this a while back with tons of comic scans that confirm this. Imagine a stream of particles moving at light speed scraping against a surface like sandpaper. If it doesn’t get blown apart instantly, it’ll heat up.
Nice one Daniel (great name by the way) - and yes a couple of people have corrected me on this! (I apologise profusely in the Kang the Conqueror video)
The fight at the start of Days of Future Past with Blink using her portals gave me a great feeling of the team having a chemistry, the closest feeling I've had to the comics.
Considering the first crop of X-Men movies came out when canon Marvel was taking a backseat to Ultimate Marvel, I think their powers are pretty similar to their comic counterparts. The X-Men specifically just seem to have the same problem that practically everyone in DC has - that every character is somehow the most powerful being in the universe when the story requires it.
Didn’t the Ultimate comics out after the movies. They based those comics on the 1st movie. Same could be said for X-men:Evolution and Wolverine and the X-men. All of them had that same version of Rogue.
@@jinxie712 It depends. Ultimate Marvel came out before the first X-Men movie, but Ultimate X-Men didn't start until after it. However, because they had already been featured in Ultimate Spider-Man, I'm willing to say the movie versions of the characters were inspired by the comics. But it could be the other way around.
@@rokeYouuer Spider-man started near the end of 2000. X-men started at the beginning of 2001. The movie came out summer of 2000. And I remember that the suits wear based closer to the movies. People had more of a problem with the movie suits because the black didn’t really have a basis in the comics.
@@jinxie712 In fairness, I was born in 2000, so all that stuff is before my time. I'm just basing the things I'm saying from things I half-remember hearing/watching on the subject years ago.
That’s very true, I thought they nerfed almost every character, Bishop got killed way to easy especially considering where he came from and what he was able to survive.
I feel like Rouge got the biggest screw in the original movies. She's way too young, and it seems like they just tried to make a hybrid by combining her and Jubilee
They clearly only saw the “sad she can’t touch people” part and just ignored the rest of her character entirely. I don’t think they would’ve have had the balls to make her fly around.
Tell me your introduction to the X-Men was the animated series without telling me you watched the animated series. Kitty was the original audience POV character in the 80s. Jubilee became the POV character in the 90s.
For Cyclops, it will matter more than most who plays him in the MCU. No fresh faced lad.. No popular Jock... No pretty boy syndrome.. He needs gristle and presence. A leader not just in title, but beholden and apparent.
Chris Evans was able to do just fine in that department as Cap, despite being very good looking. It's the writing, direction and character choices that ultimately matter. Cyclops is like Captain America/Batman for Mutants, but with energy based powers instead of superhuman strength. Not to mention, he has pulled the most hot telepathic chicks in the entire roster since the 80s/90s lol. Jean, Emma, Betsy, Madelyn, all had a thing for him at one point or another, which goes to show he's definitely got sex appeal.
@@Ameersuhail could you claim that Chris Evans back when he was Human Torch, could have pulled off Cap in EndGame? Probably not. Chris, as he aged, was able to pull off the more commander role and less of the pretty boy role. Yes, writers have a huge.. HUGE! part. But if the actor is not believable in that role then no matter how great the writing is, it won't be quality. Fine me a younger Denzel Washington, you got a deal. Find me a younger Gerard Butler and you got a deal. Someone in their early Thirties so I don't get uncomfortable when they have a deadly sex icon as a Girlfriend/Wife/Clone. But Marvel will do what Marvel does. We can only sit back and throw popcorn at the screen.
Fr fr, when they make these new xmen movies I don't want the avengers, I don't even want more Spiderman. I want some gritty ass shit, they can even keep the jokes, I just want some rough looking ass niggas though
@@beatooze8025 I can definitely see where you're coming from, but I'd argue that he needed the right script and director to bring it out of him, not necessarily the age thing. People never cast Chris in serious roles, he was being typecast as the pretty chocolate rom-com lead, and you gotta put food on the table, even if you're interested in doing different work. His patience paid off, and now he's doing more diverse work. Whereas someone like Jason Momoa or the Rock, regardless of the script and direction and their age, seem to be one-trick ponies, and wouldn't work unless they're playing some version of themselves, because that's all they can do. It's almost impossible to tell their characters apart, except for the clothing and the franchise.
Cyclops is pretty good with swords too and can fight with his eyes close. I've been dying to see those bank shots he does in the comics but all we got was a 1 to 2 seconds of unimpressive, unforgettable scene and has zero impact to the audience in X-Men Dark Phoenix.
Wow storm uses a straw to penetrate steel with her mastery over the wind. She is a goddess. This level of versatility you’ll never see on the big screen. They reduced her to nothing but an amateur in the movies what a shame. She is my favourite Xmen character by far.
Yeah Cyclops, Storm, Rogue and Iceman all got it really hard in that department. Especially Cyclops though, who I think was just the biggest victim of the late-stage Wolverine-madness that swept the 90's that definitely leaked into the movies (though to be fair Hugh Jackman's natural charisma certainly helped.) To this day poor Scott is written off at a layman's level so often and I think it has a lot to do with how much he's intentionally written down to make Wolverine look even cooler, and its unfortunate because his character, like him or hate him, has gone through some really interesting character arcs and like you said, his powers are no joke. His extra-spatial awareness alone is supposed to be superhuman, and yet he's suckerpunched all the time in the movies (where he gets to exist anyways.) to say nothing of his tactical genius. He's just never sold as the undisputed leader of the X-Men (same with Storms' not unsubstantial leadership capability as well I might add.) If there's any character, other than Storm, who could benefit more from a big time general audiences glowup when X-Men hits the MCU (I mean, if it does at this rate...or if it'll matter.) its definitely Cyclops. They have a chance to practically reinvent the character in the general public's eyes. He's been done so dirty for far too long.
@@jasonhearn5818 what an idiot typecasting and making minorities feel more ostracized in their comic book portrayals. Just was there for an agenda and pushing a gravy train favoring Jean Grey and Wolverine.
@Murk yeah I was spoiled off the 90s x-men cartoon so when I saw the live action...it was.... different ...I do give Singer respect for casting Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart ......but then he directed that boring superman movie lol heres some clips explaining how Singer acted on set and how Kevin Feige was a valuable asset on the set of those X-men movies th-cam.com/video/VRZm0LK_JoU/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/M-4rTNuDYsQ/w-d-xo.html
I always wanted to see a contest between Cyclops and Hawkeye as to who can pull off the most impressive shots. Daredevil and Spider-Man can be the judges.
Cyclops eyes are actually portals to a dimension filled with raw kinetic energy(basically particle beams with no heat) his goggles are a mediator for the raw power at his beak and call. If unrestrained his eye beams could cut through entire planets and pour forth infinitely.
Another cool thing about Cyclops - Using his beam does not tire him out. The power is from the punch dimension, not coming from his body. He can do it all day.
I remember loving Cyclops in the comics when I was a kid bc he was such a badass with layers to him.. then was forced to see them turn him into a full fledged simp over the next decade
Forget underpowered, Wolverine was taking full blast Phoenix Force energy to the face and kept going. I love Hugh as Wolvie but they shrouded Wolvie in plot armor.
I wish they’d make Cyclops the main character in the next movies. He’s the most interesting X-men other than wolverine and he’s got some great stories in the comics. He’s got to be tall and a quarterback type guy. I always thought a younger Bradley Cooper would be a perfect cyclops
I mean I disagree that he's the most interesting X-Men character, i can think of a ton more interesting than him, but I agree that he deserves a spotlight
I like how we see Gamora in the opening shot, who, among other things has a healing factor much greater than Wolverines. Realistically, pretty much all comic characters have to be toned down for movies but its a shame how nerfed some of them end up. Like Silver Surfer for instance
So 1 thing you got wrong. Yes it IS concussive. But when you have something concussive hitting something else repeatedly with that much energy, it will burn. Its just friction.
Keep in mind, in one comic Wolverine is almost killed by a stab wound and then in another comic he literally survived being nuked..,by Nuke. Their powers in the comics are wildly inconsistent.
@@kinnymane8593 No, I am talking about a regular sword in the Wolverine & Kitty Pryde mini series in the late 80’s. O gun had a normal sword and almost killed Wolverine with it. Wolverine was then out of commission for several issues of the X-Men until the start of the Mutant Massacre. Looks like you all need to read some more comics.
Great job on this video. Power nerfing has always been one of my major complaints of super-hero movies. (Also inconsistent power levels of the character in different movies or even different scenes of the same movie) So it was fun to see your list which I pretty much agree with, except for your dis of the Silver Surfer (a favorite of mine, so you take that back!). Looking forward watching some of your other videos.
Wolverine is actually Much weaker on screen, healing factor isn’t as strong, like when he was shot on the head in X-men 2 it knocked him out, also he much faster in the comic he’s like a ninja plus those heightened senses, but in movie they make him just a brute w claws, he also looks to human in the movies, she actually short, hairy and isn’t some handsome guy, he’s looks intimidating and he’s deadly and fast, also in the comics his hair is wild looking ,reminds me almost like a lions mane, his hair shorter in the movies, hopefully The MCU makes a bit more comic accurate Wolverine, I like Hugh Jackman but it’s time for someone new, closer to comic version
I think in the 90s is when they enhanced Wolverines healing factor. When I was reading comics way back in the 80s, his healing factor was never instant. I can remember in his first solo mini-series comic in 1982, when he fought off a squadron of ninjas, he actually had to hide for several minutes to allow his wounds to stop bleeding. And later that night, he still had the scars.
Nope, they got Wolverine right, it's just that the comic book Wolverine is an inconsistent mess. Sometimes he tanks Nukes, other times he gets taken out of picture by a dude using only his fist.
The problem is that in movies characters who are too powerful aren't really interesting. They need to be powered down to be compelling and not just wish-fulfillment Peggy Sue. Each new writer who puts the character in peril inevitably ends up upgrading a character's power levels to win the latest High Stakes Struggle... until you have the earth swarming with dozens of god-like Spandexians. Canon is constantly upgrading their power. But in a movie, entertainment is based on interesting characters confronting the limitations of their powers. Comics are about enjoying the idea of being more powerful than others. All it takes is one writer writing in one issue to do a marginal upgrade so resolve whatever conflict they've concocted. Then the next writer has that character perform an even more outlandish feat 6 issues later. Then repeat with the same characters over a 50 year history of never aging, and ---wallah-- they become gods. A fully powered fully canonical superhero would be a boring movie, worse than Hancock. If you want a good movie, you don't want to see a Scott Summers who can blast a skyscraper to bits just by peaking through his eyelashes or a Storm who can unleash hurricanes on the other side of the planet just by groping the humidity. Characters who don't have to _work_ in order to solve problems aren't entertaining.
The problem with at least the 1st 2 movies is the budget and they got someone that isn’t an effects director. He didn’t have that type of imagination. This is the same guy that said they could have Apocalypse grow big because he wouldn’t look good swatting at planes (King Kong reference). He said the MCU did better than his movies because they had Tony Stark as a likable character. Which is funny because Logan was his Stark character. But anyway, Age of Apocalypse was long over and done before he made the 1st movie. In that series Rogue permanently took the powers of a dying Polaris. Giving her magnetic powers. In the movies they couldn’t give her the powers of Ms Marvel because they didn’t have the character. In AoA they made her feel like regular Rogue with flight and magnetically enhanced strength. In the movies, she drained Magneto for a long time. I’m just saying…
You don't need to mention Carol Danvers by name, just have a line or reference saying "I got this strength from this other lady all in black, though I do feel guilty about what that did to her, etc." or something. They do it in movies all the time. Or they can have her do it to a completely original character with a similar powerset, as a plot device. Singer was just shit at his job and didn't care about the source material. Toad taking out the 3 most elite X-Men? by himself? TOAD?! Sure.
@@Ameersuhail They couldn’t get past the idea that Mystique’s clothes were her skin. We gotta make her nekkid because her clothes wouldn’t change with her (was the actual excuse). But then again, they made her change into other people that had clothes on. So they just wanted Rebecca (and then Jennifer) nekkid. Wow those movies upset me when they came out. Lol
@@jinxie712 Exactly! LOL, really lame excuses to use sex and objectification to sell those movies, because they were afraid the genre wouldn't sell. Hence the focus on a Westernesque-loner hero (Wolverine) a traditional Damsel-in-Distress he needs to save (Rogue) and a mustache twirling bad guy (Magneto) who has a sexy femme fatale that uses her appearance to seduce and murder everyone that cant'wear clothes because "ReAlIsM". All other characters are hardly more than glorified cameos to give the illusion it's a superhero movie. Hell, Magneto's big bad plan involved a machine and it's destruction, not him going on a rampage using his powers!
@@Ameersuhail probably gonna catch hell for this, but… The Westernesque Logan you are talking about is because Jackman was doing an imitation of young Clint Eastwood. Even the look on his face. Was watching a Dirty Harry movie years ago and noticed it. Another hot take. Singer’s 4 big comic book movies is him copying other movies. He said he went to George Lucas about working with CGI since X-men was the 1st time he’s done it. Instead X1 and 2 are just Star Wars A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. Superman Returns is just a remake of Superman ‘78. Then… he said he went to James Cameron on how to work with time travel for Days of Future Past… Instead he just made Terminator 2 with mutants. I mean they went out of their way to make Logan with his metal skeleton the one to time travel like T-800. The one to stop was a shapeshifter (was a mystery villain for the team). They broke Magneto out of prison like Sarah. They went after the guy that built the robots. The person to save was a mental hacker because he was important to the future (Xavier/John). Killed future guy by drowning in liquid. None of that was in the book, but was in T2.
Cyclops doesn’t need to die in he X3 but i guess the writer forgets that Phoenix attracts to Cyclops because he provides her with endless energy from his optic blast. Days of future past better use Sunfire instead Sunspot, because Sunspot can’t blast fire from his fist in comics.
Don't forget Emma Frost. A world class telepath outclassed only by Charles Xavier whose only role in First Class was to stand there and look pretty. Despite having diamond hard skin she got killed offscreen in DOFP. Such disrespect.
In the movies, Scott's beams aren't SPECIFICALLY burning things. They're hot from the friction of all of that concussive force rushing past them. Like a really fast Indian burn.
3:44 There was a time, early on when I read comics, I read some a paperback-sized compilation of three _Uncanny X-Men_ issues that built up sort of built up the prologue to what would be known as “The Dark Phoenix Saga.” Yes, there were paperback-sized reprints back in those days, and reading those was not unlike manga-no color, but smaller package. Anyway, I fell in love with the character Cyclops. Not just because he had a great look and powers, but on mission, he was the definitely the leader, kind of a no-nonsense First Sergeant of Xavier’s team.* Also, Summers could use his powers like a pool hall bank shot, being uncannily able to track multiple targets and take them out in one ricochet! Later in life, I would wonder (without offense) if Scott Summers was just that good, or maybe just partially into the autistic spectrum, and so that just came naturally. The latter might also explain the lack of control Summers has over the howitzer in his head-more so, I think than a head injury. Anyway, I don’t think Scott Summers was nerfed in just power, I think in the films, he lost that power of leadership to Wolverine, and all of his sense-he should’ve seen some of what happened to him in _X-3_ coming! But that’s Hollywood! But I understand it also started happening in the books, too… * The X-Men always struck me as the personal paramilitary team that Xavier built in the guise of “gifted students”, but rationalized to himself they were simply a force of Good-but even then, the X-Men felt like some sort of unauthorized paramilitary force, and it often struck me that Xavier took a disingenuous view of Cable’s X-Force, an unapologetic paramilitary force. It seemed like Xavier was just beginning to recognize the Gold and Blue teams for the paramilitary forces they were in the early 90’s-but Jim Lee left, Image happened, Marvel became nearly bankrupt, and the whole shebang almost went down the maelstrom to obscurity, and after that, I’d say _everybody_ got nerfed or mucked up or suddenly redefined (see Bobby Drake) somehow. Is it any wonder, for the last two years I’ve decided to read _no new_ stories from the Big Two companies published after January 1992?
I'd recommend checking out the recent Immortal X-Men #10, it's essentially a character study of Xavier, him explaining the truth behind the X-Men, his dream, and why any of it ever existed. Why he left the Morlocks in the tunnels. Why the X-men spent most of their time fighting mutants. Why mutants are different from other marginalized groups. A lot of important things like that. Honestly, X-Men stories over the past 4 years, ever since the House of X relaunch have been insanely good. Please do yourself a favor and check them out if you're interested in good X-Men comics
Cyclops: "I can't control my eye beams, so I need this visor." Also Cyclops: I can make my eye beams more or less powerful and I can even control them into a tiny focused blast for tiny jobs.
Cyclops was always my favourite when I read the Marvel comics as a kid. So disappointed in how little of a role he had in the movies and how he was portrayed as a pissant.
Cable really shouldn’t be able to hold his own against cosmic brings. Silver Surfer can think, react, and move at faster than light speeds. Anything cable does would seem like cable was standing still. The Surfer can destroy and rebuild planets, bring people back from the dead, and so much more. There are only a handful of beings on earth in 616 that should be able to stand up to him and it would be people like Moleculeman and Franklin Richards.
Depends whether or not he has his board. Without it, he's considerably weaker. It's considered one of the most powerful artifacts in all of Marvel, alongside Mjolnir, the Staff of One, and the M'kraan Crystal.
@@li-limandragon9287 dazzler “can fight” silver surfer. That doesn’t mean they’re a match. While the hulk may be a physical match for the silver surfer in terms of strength (last I looked they were both rated at over 100 tons of lift capability) that’s where it ends. The Surfer is capable of destroying whatever planet the hulk is on. (Without needing a dumb power boost to do so) The Surfer can move, think, and react at light speed. I want you to think about that for a moment. Then imagine how slow it must seem that the Hulk moves. Any punch the hulk ever threw would seem like it was moving in slow motion. If the fight was written well there is absolutely nothing the hulk could do to threaten the surfer. They are on different scales of power.
@@zero11010 Hulk nearly destroyed the entire Dark Dimension just by getting angry enough. There is no limit to his power; as World Breaker Hulk a single footstep can destroy planets. His strength is in fact a metaphysical quality, allowing him to do totally impossible things like rip holes in reality with his bare hands. And now we know that, unlike Silver Surfer, Hulk can never permanently die. As for power level, Apocalypse said that Hulk has the capacity to kill a Celestial. That's something not even Rune King Thor could do.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace sure. And Squirrel Girl beat Thanos. There are plenty of terrible, terrible stories. Imagine you can destroy a planet. Or create one. Create life. Travel at light sped (which means you can think and move and react at faster than light speed, and you can deal with the damage of striking an object at those speeds). You have ranged blasts of energy than can destroy worlds. You can travel through time. You can rearrange the atoms of virtually anything from light years away (enough to destroy a planet, or turn the hulk to dust - matter manipulation is next level). And your opponent is a strong and tough humanoid. They are slow. They are strong. Physically stronger than you … eventually … if they build up enough anger, but not right away. And they have no innate ranged attacks aside from throwing things or clapping. And in space he is virtually helpless with nothing to push off of and no way to move. How hard would it be to keep out of range? The hulk can do virtually NOTHING if he can’t put his hands on you. Spider-Man and captain America have survived hits from the hulk. Hulk to the captain is weaker than a kitten is compared to you (and don’t give me that, he rolled with it crap). How long will it take hulk to get angry enough that his strength is even a potential threat? How many nanoseconds would you need to destroy the hulk as the surfer? The hulk would basically be frozen in time. Completely stationary. 186,400 that how many miles the surfer can travel each second. You think a 30mph (0.008 miles per second) hulk could even possibly touch the surfer? That’s what it means to be able to think and react at those speeds. Even someone like quicksilver is nothing when it comes to speed by comparison (I think originally quicksilver’s top speed was like a couple hundred miles per hour). The hulk would be helpless against someone like the silver surfer …. Unless the story is badly written. That happens a lot. But, think about how fast the surfer can move. Think about how far away the surfer is deadly. Don’t forget about the surfer’s cosmic awareness. What are the hulk’s rules this week? Is he banner? Is he green? Is he grey? What are his limits? He isn’t very fast. How would hulk deal with someone 100ft away? 100 miles?
Slightly off with Cyclops. It is concussive blast BUT it hits so fast that sometimes it can cause heat. If I punch you 1000000 times with the speed of Ali it will start to burn as well.
A full and frank apology for my lack of understanding of the laws of physics is at the start of the Kang the Conqueror video - have a butcher's! (And don't hit me 1000000 times with the speed of Ali)
Rogue showing up in the end credits of the marvels would be ideal like ugh. Best way to introduce her. Like her ambushing captain marvel. Or we could see captain marvel gaining her thigh high boots outfit foreshadowing what will happen in the future with her and rogue.
I hope not. That movie is looking to get critically and commercially bombed. I wouldn't want any character to suffer from that because of Brie Larson. Just look at daredevil in she hulk. Captain marvel will never be portrayed in thighboots and shorts Disney doesn't have the balls to do it lol
You were absolutely correct on all points. I m very disappointed with wolverine and Storm . Wolverine should be a better fighter not a brawler and Storm way more powerful and quick
They hella down play Xavier. They only show his telepathy and not his telekinesis. Xavier became the Onslaught and smashed the Xmen, Avengers, and Fantastic Four.
lol, stop. firstly, no, he did not become Onslaught at all, his psyche merged with Mags anger which eventually became the Onsluaght entity, which was origianlly an incorporeal being - so no, not Charles. secondly, and the funniest part about this all is the fact Charles did not have Telekinesis when the first movie was made.. and only in the Ultimate Universe did he have that power until about last year that he got retconned to having a mild form of TK
@@thatboymeak Onslaught was born out of Xavier's locked away emotions and didn't become separate and his own being till later. He also didn't have Magneto's powers, he had Xavier's powers. Xavier also used his low level telekinesis in the past as an extension of his psionic powers. To move his yellow chair, and his exoskeleton in Fatal Attractions. Reading minds wouldn't help you move an exo suit. Go school some one else kid.
@@WordsofIvory Yup, he does. As said above, he moves his yellow chair and exo suit in Fatal Attractions with Psionic powers, which Telekinesis is an extension of. Reading minds wouldn't help you move or operate machinery like an exo suit.
@@WordsofIvory lol, this guy is a moron. everything he has said is wrong. Charles does have TK in the comics now though due to a retcon, which Charles does admit to having very low levels of TK in the earlier stories but again, it was a retcon from 1 or 2 years ago. op clearly gets his information from facebook or some shit and doesnt actually read.
I'd love to see the MCU take inspiration from X-Men: Evolution when creating Cyclops, Jean & Wolverine tbh, i.e.: *Scott* - great leader - skilled fighter with amazing spacial awareness - precise control over his optic blasts *Jean* - kind hearted but fierce - don't bother w/ Dark Phoenix (it's been done too much and is too similar to Scarlet Witch anyway) *Wolverine* - A close ally of the X-Men but independent too (not team leader) - more animalistic fighting style, etc They could also take inspiration for Wolverine & the X-Men for *Nightcrawler* , i.e.: - confident in his powers - skilled fighter
Glad people are out here giving Iceman the respect he deserves. Dude is a major threat and the variety in his power set is completely unlimited. Days of Future past had some really badass scenes and was the closest thing we ever got that felt like the x-men using spec-ops tactics and coordinating their abilities; the blink and Iceman scene goes so hard... But then it's completely derailed for the previous time line melodrama. I really hope Marvel Studios delivers what the fans want: the original 5 x-men being absolute badasses.
Let's face facts, Wolverine and Jackman are the stars of these movies. They were never concerned about how any of the other characters were portrayed. Wolvie's powers were definitely enhanced for the movies. I can remember reading the comics in the 80s. His healing factor was never as instaneous as it is in the movies. It could take days to heal from some serious injuries. I remember that Mystique theorized that he could bleed out from a slashed throat before his healing factor could save him.
They all got a boost in the 90’s to keep pace with the competition. It suddenly became important to them to make their popular heroes more powerful and it spread out from there. Comparing that time to movies, it looks like a nerf to some people. In his own comics they wanted the enemies to feel like a threat, in other appearances they wanted the guest to feel like a threat, so he was all over the place. I think people just want their favorites to keep pace. I’m sure Wolverine would’ve got a somewhat similar treatment to Cap or BP as far as strength, speed and fighting ability if they would’ve had him in marvel movies.
Its probably some old literation,Wolvie's powers are basicly magical when you think about it as in most comics his healing factor is so powerful that he can heal from nothing but a skeleton
@@budsak7771 Juggernaut is physically unstoppable once he starts moving forward. The only effective defenses are psychic attacks, teleport him away, or impede him so he loses interest.
@@evanjohnson1299 Aww, look at you with your big words. 🤣JK. But seriously, I'm pretty sure he was just standing there after Jubilee paf'd him and gave him a tickle.
I remember a fucking hilarious interview with Marsden when X2 came out. He talks about that fight scene being added to show that he can do more than just look at things. I remember him them going on this huge tangent about otherwise getting overweight and struggling to keep up with the rest of the X-men.
Scott's beams burn because it's force that's moving faster than light causing friction. Like rubbing sticks together quickly or when a speedster runs at top speeds and leaves burn marks, it's friction burns. It makes sense
@@jasonlauritsen5587 meant light speed. They are as fast as light, meaning they travel same speed as light. Which is still fast as fuck. It's why he's able to hit speedsters and cause burns
I have a memory from childhood of a dystopian future in X-Men where all (or maybe it was "nearly all) of the mutants were killed off, except for Cyclops and Wolverine. That really put Cyclops in perspective for me, since Wolverine can get damaged a million different ways and still survive, whereas Cyclops is still very much mortal and susceptible to death in a million different ways throughout his adventures.
The reason every adaptation interprets his powers is heat vision is two fold. Firstly, being an optic ability heat vision is a far more plausible explanation than concussive blasts. Secondly, we've seen a good example of heat vision as Superman uses his his efficiently. I conclude, after doing further reading, that optic heat vision is more plausible than inter-dimensional concussive blasts. Furthermore, as this is Scott's primary power he utilizes it in a more effective and creative way than Superman so there isn't any competition to justify changing the power. The concussive force could be a byproduct of his heat blast but is best suited as a vocal power like that of Banshee or concussive blasts projected from someone's fist. But that's just my opinion.
The first three Fox movies, were more "Wolverine and friends" rather than "X-men" lol. They definitely sidelined a lot of powerful mutants in those movies.
It stands to reason that the blast itself may not have any heat to it, but the friction caused by the concussive blast may be enough to cause things to burn
Nah I know - have been corrected by a few people smarter than me! I tried to use an info card in the video to say that I now know, but it isn't stopping the corrections coming in...
This list reminded my why I hate the power creep in comics, especially the X-men. Storm, Jean, yeah they are definitely Omega level. But Iceman? No way. And Cable was much more of a compelling character before the Summers/askani retcon. Not to mention Rogue and Cyclops being able to control their powers will never sit right with me, it’s the whole point of their characters!
What I hated is they would show the X-Men training in the Danger Room you would think they would operate like an elite unit but nope. Cyclops should have been quarterbacks plays.
There was actually a reference in one of the movies about how Cyke is so reserved because if he loses control, he can "punch a hole through a mountain"; and we do see it mostly as a concussive blast, but yeah, they also took it to be the same thing as Superman's heat vision, which...no. Not at all. Also, I'm all for long-hair Cyclops.
When Cable fights the Silver Surfer over Provenance both combatants are deconstructing and rebuilding structures to avoid damaging them and Cable breaks the surfboard.
Every character gets nerfed for the Movies because you can't have a believable story otherwise. The movie would be over in 2 sec. Either the villain chosen would be too powerful to defeat or the heroes are too powerful for the villain to pose a threat. So, some characters get nerfed so all the fan favorites can be in the movie and the movie still kind of make sense. I actually think a reboot of the comics are needed to balance the characters better. No more "Hulk is so strong, he can punch a hole in space/time" because that is in the comics. Darwin got super nerfed. I don't think an explanation is needed. He needs to be on this list at the top. Super agree with Storm. Fun fact: She controls the weather of the planet/atmosphere she is in and is capable of creating anything that is remotely possible on that planet. Making her powers really neat if she is ever on an alien world but theoretically makes her weaker if she is on a space station. I think both Wolverine and Sabretooth got nerfed but in a different way. Their powers are about right, but they both are supposed to be extremely well-trained fighters/martial artists. However, you mostly just see them swinging wildly. I know Wolverine will go berserk and just Ferally slash away in the comics, but that is not his default move, its last resort. In the first X-Men, Sabretooth fights like a bear, and Wolverine has trouble fighting Mystique. I'd like to see the versions of them that have been trained by Weapon X, Special Forces, Ninjas, and Samurai. Iceman is godlike powerful in the comics at his full potential. Besides being able to reach near absolute 0 around him (Which will kill most things) and being nearly indestructible, like the liquid metal terminator, He is able to cause cataclysmic storms much like Storm, but with less control, by lowering the temperatures in the atmosphere causing extreme low-pressure formations like tornadoes.
Sick video man! I'm a massive comic book fan but know nothing compared to you. Still need to watch new mutants. Also a thing I wondered as Storm's abilities are weather manipulation would she be able to freeze the side of the space shuttle in one of the later iterations. Will be subscribing and watching further videos :)
Bruh no shit, lol she manipulates weather systems. The woman can make acid rain or natural hydrogen cluster bombs (due to atmospheric pressure) when given enough time to concentrate. This kinda also means Storm is probably 2nd smartest in terms of science on the X-Men, cause this means she has to understand how chemistry works in flux to control the forces of nature. Beast is undoubtedly the smartest relative to scientific matters. I'd say Storm is next, Jean (master of psychiatry and psychology), then Forge (engineering genius), Scott (knows physics), Thunderbird (cause he can read body language better than anyone), etc.
@@murk4552 I don't know if forge belongs that high, it's been stated that his powers don't exactly make him smarter per se, they just make him able to understand the way machines work. Like, Tony Stark and Reed Richards can make the same types of things he can, maybe slightly worse, but they're smarter than him with engineering (and obviously other topics). He just intuitively knows what kind of things will do what, maybe picked up some tricks along the way, but it's mostly his powers, not a whole lot just him
Marvel can make so much money with Xmen with the blueprint they did with Avengers. Solo movies of Wolverine as we all know. Cyclops against Mr Sinster. Rogue and Gambit. Storm solo movie. Magneto. Colossus and Kitty Pride. Angel. So many potential before they do an Xmen movie.
@@corepunch but Its not the same character, I Mean David Haller, son of Charles Xavier and Gabrielle Haller, Blackheart made a refference to the bible... Its not the same.
Thank you very much for this video we got 20years of shot from this IP by fox, and I'm glad that finally somebody out there admits it that Brian singer and fox killed this franchise. Thank you once again for your video, looking forward to the next one.
And one thing I have to add with Sunspot that I put on every video about Sunspot is that Sunspot is Black he’s not Mexican!!! I wish the movies would stop making him Mexican instead of black like he is. In the comics he’s always darker skinned but in the movies he’s always Mexican or something like that smh.
Cyclops beam would generate UNIMAGINABLE amounts of heat lmao. If you think about what happens when you rub two sticks together for long enough, you realize his beam would be quite hot indeed.
In the wolverine movie they downgraded silver foxes persuasion powers to where they worked on wolverine but didn't work on sabertooth that was ridiculous
@@MrShadowSmith that may have been the reasoning, but it still seemed like a cop out as in one of the movies when Wolverine was in a beserker rage, Jean calmed him down almost instantly, telepathically, some powre seem to work when they want them to. for the movie plot.
@@jeffthekillercriticremixer5968 I guess telepathy works different to what silver fox was doing. But then again Jean is very inconsistent in movies she got her Phoenix powers in 'X men: dark Phoenix' but then what the heck was the thing she used to beat apocalypse?. These movies are a mess they contradict themselves.
@@MrShadowSmith Yeah, like that, I can remember a mutant named Hypnotia from Iron man using her power to put a town of about 200 to sleep for 2 weeks, and Grandma Morlock making Wolverine or Gambit think he was covered with scorpions. and Jean believing she was her mother, and jean is a level 1 telepath. Also with Fox being Emma's sister, she should have been stronger. in her abilities. if she wasnt she would have never been picked for the weapon X program
I believe Rogue (at one point) permanently absorbed the powers of *Sunfire* not Sunspot. Sunfire is the pyrokinetic, vaguely nuclear, plasma-wielding Japanese man of "All-New, All-Different X-Men" fame. Sunspot is the Afro-Brazilian solar-energy-absorber who turns black and shadowy when he uses his powers, and debuted in New Mutants.
In the 90s cartoon Rogue was working for Mystique deceiving her as "Mama". She drained Carol Danvers of her powers to the extent that Captain Marvel is left in a coma. Rogue in the movies can't fly and isn't super strong
CW Smallville Clark Kent and MCU Captain America has shown you can have a pretty boy jock who is narratively interesting and popular with audiences. X Men's Cyclops deserves nothing less.
What about Darvin tho. Biggest nerf in comic-movie history. Comic version could survive literally anything, except being a black character in a movie apparently.
The weirdest thing was seeing a short cyclops with a tall Wolverine.
James Marsden isn't small.
@@nathandrake9129he’s 5’9 and Famke Jansen was taller than him. He’s small.
I mean his Nick name is literally slim for a reason LMAO aswell
@@nathandrake9129 yea he’s abt 5’10 Hughs jus hella tall
CYCLOPS IS 6”4 in comics and WOLVERINE is suppose to be 5”2 🤷🏾♂️
Love the breakdown on Cyclops. Just need to add one thing. It’s not actually a problem to see his blast heat up some materials. It’s because of friction which his blast does generate. I did a whole Reddit post about this a while back with tons of comic scans that confirm this. Imagine a stream of particles moving at light speed scraping against a surface like sandpaper. If it doesn’t get blown apart instantly, it’ll heat up.
Nice one Daniel (great name by the way) - and yes a couple of people have corrected me on this! (I apologise profusely in the Kang the Conqueror video)
I came into the comments specifically to point this out. I'm glad someone else did. 😆
The fight at the start of Days of Future Past with Blink using her portals gave me a great feeling of the team having a chemistry, the closest feeling I've had to the comics.
Considering the first crop of X-Men movies came out when canon Marvel was taking a backseat to Ultimate Marvel, I think their powers are pretty similar to their comic counterparts. The X-Men specifically just seem to have the same problem that practically everyone in DC has - that every character is somehow the most powerful being in the universe when the story requires it.
I feel like pretty much every popular character turns out to be an Omega-level mutant eventually.
Didn’t the Ultimate comics out after the movies. They based those comics on the 1st movie. Same could be said for X-men:Evolution and Wolverine and the X-men. All of them had that same version of Rogue.
@@jinxie712 It depends. Ultimate Marvel came out before the first X-Men movie, but Ultimate X-Men didn't start until after it. However, because they had already been featured in Ultimate Spider-Man, I'm willing to say the movie versions of the characters were inspired by the comics. But it could be the other way around.
@@rokeYouuer Spider-man started near the end of 2000. X-men started at the beginning of 2001. The movie came out summer of 2000. And I remember that the suits wear based closer to the movies. People had more of a problem with the movie suits because the black didn’t really have a basis in the comics.
@@jinxie712 In fairness, I was born in 2000, so all that stuff is before my time. I'm just basing the things I'm saying from things I half-remember hearing/watching on the subject years ago.
I figured Darwin would be number one, but it's also kind of a meme at this point. I'm looking forward to the villains!
That’s very true, I thought they nerfed almost every character, Bishop got killed way to easy especially considering where he came from and what he was able to survive.
darwin just exploded
I feel like Rouge got the biggest screw in the original movies. She's way too young, and it seems like they just tried to make a hybrid by combining her and Jubilee
They clearly only saw the “sad she can’t touch people” part and just ignored the rest of her character entirely. I don’t think they would’ve have had the balls to make her fly around.
Don't mind her being young. Jubilee was in the movies though
Never thought of that but you’re right!
They made Iceman even younger.
Tell me your introduction to the X-Men was the animated series without telling me you watched the animated series. Kitty was the original audience POV character in the 80s. Jubilee became the POV character in the 90s.
For Cyclops, it will matter more than most who plays him in the MCU.
No fresh faced lad..
No popular Jock...
No pretty boy syndrome..
He needs gristle and presence. A leader not just in title, but beholden and apparent.
Chris Evans was able to do just fine in that department as Cap, despite being very good looking. It's the writing, direction and character choices that ultimately matter. Cyclops is like Captain America/Batman for Mutants, but with energy based powers instead of superhuman strength. Not to mention, he has pulled the most hot telepathic chicks in the entire roster since the 80s/90s lol. Jean, Emma, Betsy, Madelyn, all had a thing for him at one point or another, which goes to show he's definitely got sex appeal.
@@Ameersuhail could you claim that Chris Evans back when he was Human Torch, could have pulled off Cap in EndGame? Probably not. Chris, as he aged, was able to pull off the more commander role and less of the pretty boy role.
Yes, writers have a huge.. HUGE! part. But if the actor is not believable in that role then no matter how great the writing is, it won't be quality.
Fine me a younger Denzel Washington, you got a deal. Find me a younger Gerard Butler and you got a deal.
Someone in their early Thirties so I don't get uncomfortable when they have a deadly sex icon as a Girlfriend/Wife/Clone.
But Marvel will do what Marvel does. We can only sit back and throw popcorn at the screen.
Fr fr, when they make these new xmen movies I don't want the avengers, I don't even want more Spiderman. I want some gritty ass shit, they can even keep the jokes, I just want some rough looking ass niggas though
@@beatooze8025 I can definitely see where you're coming from, but I'd argue that he needed the right script and director to bring it out of him, not necessarily the age thing.
People never cast Chris in serious roles, he was being typecast as the pretty chocolate rom-com lead, and you gotta put food on the table, even if you're interested in doing different work. His patience paid off, and now he's doing more diverse work.
Whereas someone like Jason Momoa or the Rock, regardless of the script and direction and their age, seem to be one-trick ponies, and wouldn't work unless they're playing some version of themselves, because that's all they can do. It's almost impossible to tell their characters apart, except for the clothing and the franchise.
Arent Cyclops and Wolverine GAY in the new Marvel comics? Also Iceman and others?
Cyclops is pretty good with swords too and can fight with his eyes close. I've been dying to see those bank shots he does in the comics but all we got was a 1 to 2 seconds of unimpressive, unforgettable scene and has zero impact to the audience in X-Men Dark Phoenix.
Unimpressive and forgettable you mean?
Wow storm uses a straw to penetrate steel with her mastery over the wind. She is a goddess. This level of versatility you’ll never see on the big screen. They reduced her to nothing but an amateur in the movies what a shame. She is my favourite Xmen character by far.
She’s just the token black lady in the movies .
Yeah Cyclops, Storm, Rogue and Iceman all got it really hard in that department. Especially Cyclops though, who I think was just the biggest victim of the late-stage Wolverine-madness that swept the 90's that definitely leaked into the movies (though to be fair Hugh Jackman's natural charisma certainly helped.) To this day poor Scott is written off at a layman's level so often and I think it has a lot to do with how much he's intentionally written down to make Wolverine look even cooler, and its unfortunate because his character, like him or hate him, has gone through some really interesting character arcs and like you said, his powers are no joke. His extra-spatial awareness alone is supposed to be superhuman, and yet he's suckerpunched all the time in the movies (where he gets to exist anyways.) to say nothing of his tactical genius. He's just never sold as the undisputed leader of the X-Men (same with Storms' not unsubstantial leadership capability as well I might add.)
If there's any character, other than Storm, who could benefit more from a big time general audiences glowup when X-Men hits the MCU (I mean, if it does at this rate...or if it'll matter.) its definitely Cyclops. They have a chance to practically reinvent the character in the general public's eyes. He's been done so dirty for far too long.
That was Bryan Singers fault..he didn't want to follow the comics
@@jasonhearn5818 what an idiot typecasting and making minorities feel more ostracized in their comic book portrayals. Just was there for an agenda and pushing a gravy train favoring Jean Grey and Wolverine.
@Murk yeah I was spoiled off the 90s x-men cartoon so when I saw the live action...it was.... different ...I do give Singer respect for casting Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart ......but then he directed that boring superman movie lol heres some clips explaining how Singer acted on set and how Kevin Feige was a valuable asset on the set of those X-men movies
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I always wanted to see a contest between Cyclops and Hawkeye as to who can pull off the most impressive shots. Daredevil and Spider-Man can be the judges.
Cyclops eyes are actually portals to a dimension filled with raw kinetic energy(basically particle beams with no heat) his goggles are a mediator for the raw power at his beak and call. If unrestrained his eye beams could cut through entire planets and pour forth infinitely.
Depends, he just store solar energy in some instances through his body, and fire it off through his eyes.
@@Mike-xh2vm the solar energy charged him apparently, but his eyes are still dimensional portals. It’s kinda convoluted tbh.
@@7reasons617 No, at first he just stored solar energy until they came up with that nonsense.
@@Mike-xh2vm Nah I agree with u. Now it’s a nonsensical mixture of both the last I recollect.
@@7reasons617 Yeah, which is dumb because his brothers just store energy.
Another cool thing about Cyclops - Using his beam does not tire him out. The power is from the punch dimension, not coming from his body. He can do it all day.
Actually the real problem is he is doing it all day lmao
Except that he does fizzle out. Go read decades of xmen comics.
In the X-Men Legends video game for the ps2, Cyclops was a walking disco ball of death. They got him right.
I remember loving Cyclops in the comics when I was a kid bc he was such a badass with layers to him.. then was forced to see them turn him into a full fledged simp over the next decade
Loved the intentional mispronunciation in the intro after the corrections. That was funny!
They should honestly be asking Ryan Reynolds for help with X-Men. It seems like he's passionate about it and as far as I've seen really good at it.
What? Explain what you mean by that specifically
Forget underpowered, Wolverine was taking full blast Phoenix Force energy to the face and kept going. I love Hugh as Wolvie but they shrouded Wolvie in plot armor.
Don't forget his pants. Somehow those were able to survive the energy of the Phoenix Force. Where does he shop....
@@motherplayer same place as the hulk.
Not to mention that Rogue lost her identity as a Southerner. Like duh!!!!! You can't be more Southern Belle than Rogue. And now, she became Canadian?
I really hope we truly get to see a badass scott summers in the MCU. The Leader scott.
I wish they’d make Cyclops the main character in the next movies. He’s the most interesting X-men other than wolverine and he’s got some great stories in the comics. He’s got to be tall and a quarterback type guy. I always thought a younger Bradley Cooper would be a perfect cyclops
I mean I disagree that he's the most interesting X-Men character, i can think of a ton more interesting than him, but I agree that he deserves a spotlight
As someone who never got to read comics as a kid I do love and appreciate these videos.
Eye beam lol 😂 Optic Blast brah. 😊
Rogue is the worst for me, I know Carol Danvers didn’t exist for her to get her power from, but she still shouldn’t be *that* weak regardless.
I like how we see Gamora in the opening shot, who, among other things has a healing factor much greater than Wolverines. Realistically, pretty much all comic characters have to be toned down for movies but its a shame how nerfed some of them end up. Like Silver Surfer for instance
So 1 thing you got wrong. Yes it IS concussive. But when you have something concussive hitting something else repeatedly with that much energy, it will burn. Its just friction.
That, or explode. That's basically what an atom bomb does.
Yes! Came on to say this! It makes perfect sense that his power creates heat when it interacts with an object.
Keep in mind, in one comic Wolverine is almost killed by a stab wound and then in another comic he literally survived being nuked..,by Nuke. Their powers in the comics are wildly inconsistent.
Was it a normal blade or the muramasa sword?
@@dennisbeaman958 he’s definitely talking about that sword, everybody does but most people don’t know it cancels out healing factors entirely
Maybe you should actually read comics.
@@kinnymane8593 No, I am talking about a regular sword in the Wolverine & Kitty Pryde mini series in the late 80’s. O gun had a normal sword and almost killed Wolverine with it. Wolverine was then out of commission for several issues of the X-Men until the start of the Mutant Massacre.
Looks like you all need to read some more comics.
A lot. A lot weaker.
Storm, Iceman, and Darwin particularly.
Oh yeah, and Rogue. Rogue is easily the biggest nerf.
All the characters you mentioned literally went from multiversal-omnipotent in the comics to continental-street level in the movies it’s painful 😂
@@rinnerebirth1171 "multiversal-omnipotent" idk about that one
@@SSSmkin- I say omipotent because of darwin, he was able to literally become the living tribunal to prevent himself from dying 😂
@@rinnerebirth1171 that is so badass, so the Living Tribunal has 4 heads now? Lmfao the other 3 probably hate sharing headspace.
Ororo is more Fog Lady than Storm in these movies.
They make great heated coats.
Great job on this video. Power nerfing has always been one of my major complaints of super-hero movies. (Also inconsistent power levels of the character in different movies or even different scenes of the same movie) So it was fun to see your list which I pretty much agree with, except for your dis of the Silver Surfer (a favorite of mine, so you take that back!). Looking forward watching some of your other videos.
Just a note on the astral plane, any decently powerful sorcerer or telepath can enter the astral plane. It is not only limited to a few people.
Wolverine is actually Much weaker on screen, healing factor isn’t as strong, like when he was shot on the head in X-men 2 it knocked him out, also he much faster in the comic he’s like a ninja plus those heightened senses, but in movie they make him just a brute w claws, he also looks to human in the movies, she actually short, hairy and isn’t some handsome guy, he’s looks intimidating and he’s deadly and fast, also in the comics his hair is wild looking ,reminds me almost like a lions mane, his hair shorter in the movies, hopefully The MCU makes a bit more comic accurate Wolverine, I like Hugh Jackman but it’s time for someone new, closer to comic version
I think in the 90s is when they enhanced Wolverines healing factor. When I was reading comics way back in the 80s, his healing factor was never instant. I can remember in his first solo mini-series comic in 1982, when he fought off a squadron of ninjas, he actually had to hide for several minutes to allow his wounds to stop bleeding. And later that night, he still had the scars.
Nope, they got Wolverine right, it's just that the comic book Wolverine is an inconsistent mess. Sometimes he tanks Nukes, other times he gets taken out of picture by a dude using only his fist.
@@nastee10 yeah his healing factor has gotten stronger, kinda like how the Hulk is unstoppable now, he wasn’t that powerful in the 80s
darwin's demise in first class to this day still pisses me off, he's literally not supposed to die, anyone else could've died BUT him!
Agreed - see our latest video!
The problem is that in movies characters who are too powerful aren't really interesting. They need to be powered down to be compelling and not just wish-fulfillment Peggy Sue. Each new writer who puts the character in peril inevitably ends up upgrading a character's power levels to win the latest High Stakes Struggle... until you have the earth swarming with dozens of god-like Spandexians. Canon is constantly upgrading their power. But in a movie, entertainment is based on interesting characters confronting the limitations of their powers. Comics are about enjoying the idea of being more powerful than others.
All it takes is one writer writing in one issue to do a marginal upgrade so resolve whatever conflict they've concocted. Then the next writer has that character perform an even more outlandish feat 6 issues later. Then repeat with the same characters over a 50 year history of never aging, and ---wallah-- they become gods. A fully powered fully canonical superhero would be a boring movie, worse than Hancock.
If you want a good movie, you don't want to see a Scott Summers who can blast a skyscraper to bits just by peaking through his eyelashes or a Storm who can unleash hurricanes on the other side of the planet just by groping the humidity. Characters who don't have to _work_ in order to solve problems aren't entertaining.
“Characters who don’t have to work in order to solve their problems aren’t entertaining.”
Black Adam comes to mind.
I disagree with you a lot movie is not boring because is he is to op i disagree with you
Storm is also claustrophobic. They never go into that in the movies. They do mention her phobia in the animated series.
maybe thats because her powers suck in closed environment
Being that cyclops beams clearly produce light(quite brightly at that) heavily implies they generate a fair amount of heat
I'm really enjoying your videos. I'm glad I found you. Keep up the great work.
i think the actor for cyclops is james marsden not scott marsden
Christ - what a mistake in the first five mins!
@@its6degrees Alzheimer man its got everyone.
@@its6degrees unless you’re thinking of EastEnders Jack Branning actor - Scott Maslen😂
Scott summers played by James Marsden.
The problem with at least the 1st 2 movies is the budget and they got someone that isn’t an effects director. He didn’t have that type of imagination. This is the same guy that said they could have Apocalypse grow big because he wouldn’t look good swatting at planes (King Kong reference). He said the MCU did better than his movies because they had Tony Stark as a likable character. Which is funny because Logan was his Stark character.
But anyway, Age of Apocalypse was long over and done before he made the 1st movie. In that series Rogue permanently took the powers of a dying Polaris. Giving her magnetic powers. In the movies they couldn’t give her the powers of Ms Marvel because they didn’t have the character. In AoA they made her feel like regular Rogue with flight and magnetically enhanced strength. In the movies, she drained Magneto for a long time. I’m just saying…
You don't need to mention Carol Danvers by name, just have a line or reference saying "I got this strength from this other lady all in black, though I do feel guilty about what that did to her, etc." or something. They do it in movies all the time. Or they can have her do it to a completely original character with a similar powerset, as a plot device. Singer was just shit at his job and didn't care about the source material. Toad taking out the 3 most elite X-Men? by himself? TOAD?! Sure.
@@Ameersuhail They couldn’t get past the idea that Mystique’s clothes were her skin. We gotta make her nekkid because her clothes wouldn’t change with her (was the actual excuse). But then again, they made her change into other people that had clothes on. So they just wanted Rebecca (and then Jennifer) nekkid. Wow those movies upset me when they came out. Lol
@@jinxie712 Exactly! LOL, really lame excuses to use sex and objectification to sell those movies, because they were afraid the genre wouldn't sell. Hence the focus on a Westernesque-loner hero (Wolverine) a traditional Damsel-in-Distress he needs to save (Rogue) and a mustache twirling bad guy (Magneto) who has a sexy femme fatale that uses her appearance to seduce and murder everyone that cant'wear clothes because "ReAlIsM". All other characters are hardly more than glorified cameos to give the illusion it's a superhero movie. Hell, Magneto's big bad plan involved a machine and it's destruction, not him going on a rampage using his powers!
@@Ameersuhail probably gonna catch hell for this, but… The Westernesque Logan you are talking about is because Jackman was doing an imitation of young Clint Eastwood. Even the look on his face. Was watching a Dirty Harry movie years ago and noticed it.
Another hot take. Singer’s 4 big comic book movies is him copying other movies. He said he went to George Lucas about working with CGI since X-men was the 1st time he’s done it. Instead X1 and 2 are just Star Wars A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. Superman Returns is just a remake of Superman ‘78. Then… he said he went to James Cameron on how to work with time travel for Days of Future Past… Instead he just made Terminator 2 with mutants. I mean they went out of their way to make Logan with his metal skeleton the one to time travel like T-800. The one to stop was a shapeshifter (was a mystery villain for the team). They broke Magneto out of prison like Sarah. They went after the guy that built the robots. The person to save was a mental hacker because he was important to the future (Xavier/John). Killed future guy by drowning in liquid. None of that was in the book, but was in T2.
Cyclops doesn’t need to die in he X3 but i guess the writer forgets that Phoenix attracts to Cyclops because he provides her with endless energy from his optic blast.
Days of future past better use Sunfire instead Sunspot, because Sunspot can’t blast fire from his fist in comics.
Don't forget Emma Frost. A world class telepath outclassed only by Charles Xavier whose only role in First Class was to stand there and look pretty. Despite having diamond hard skin she got killed offscreen in DOFP. Such disrespect.
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In the movies, Scott's beams aren't SPECIFICALLY burning things. They're hot from the friction of all of that concussive force rushing past them. Like a really fast Indian burn.
wouldnt the friction from the blast cause things to catch fire?
Cyclops is my favorite marvel character so im really hoping the mcu does him right.
I love how expressing the exact same opinion as the crowd makes people feel original and cool. It's amazing.
Can't figure out if this is a dig at us or not...
Almost as cool and edgy as the guy who takes the complete opposite tack just because.
3:44 There was a time, early on when I read comics, I read some a paperback-sized compilation of three _Uncanny X-Men_ issues that built up sort of built up the prologue to what would be known as “The Dark Phoenix Saga.” Yes, there were paperback-sized reprints back in those days, and reading those was not unlike manga-no color, but smaller package.
Anyway, I fell in love with the character Cyclops. Not just because he had a great look and powers, but on mission, he was the definitely the leader, kind of a no-nonsense First Sergeant of Xavier’s team.*
Also, Summers could use his powers like a pool hall bank shot, being uncannily able to track multiple targets and take them out in one ricochet! Later in life, I would wonder (without offense) if Scott Summers was just that good, or maybe just partially into the autistic spectrum, and so that just came naturally. The latter might also explain the lack of control Summers has over the howitzer in his head-more so, I think than a head injury.
Anyway, I don’t think Scott Summers was nerfed in just power, I think in the films, he lost that power of leadership to Wolverine, and all of his sense-he should’ve seen some of what happened to him in _X-3_ coming! But that’s Hollywood!
But I understand it also started happening in the books, too…
* The X-Men always struck me as the personal paramilitary team that Xavier built in the guise of “gifted students”, but rationalized to himself they were simply a force of Good-but even then, the X-Men felt like some sort of unauthorized paramilitary force, and it often struck me that Xavier took a disingenuous view of Cable’s X-Force, an unapologetic paramilitary force.
It seemed like Xavier was just beginning to recognize the Gold and Blue teams for the paramilitary forces they were in the early 90’s-but Jim Lee left, Image happened, Marvel became nearly bankrupt, and the whole shebang almost went down the maelstrom to obscurity, and after that, I’d say _everybody_ got nerfed or mucked up or suddenly redefined (see Bobby Drake) somehow.
Is it any wonder, for the last two years I’ve decided to read _no new_ stories from the Big Two companies published after January 1992?
I'd recommend checking out the recent Immortal X-Men #10, it's essentially a character study of Xavier, him explaining the truth behind the X-Men, his dream, and why any of it ever existed. Why he left the Morlocks in the tunnels. Why the X-men spent most of their time fighting mutants. Why mutants are different from other marginalized groups. A lot of important things like that.
Honestly, X-Men stories over the past 4 years, ever since the House of X relaunch have been insanely good. Please do yourself a favor and check them out if you're interested in good X-Men comics
Cyclops: "I can't control my eye beams, so I need this visor."
Also Cyclops: I can make my eye beams more or less powerful and I can even control them into a tiny focused blast for tiny jobs.
Cyclops was always my favourite when I read the Marvel comics as a kid. So disappointed in how little of a role he had in the movies and how he was portrayed as a pissant.
2:39 I agree John Cassaday did such a Fantastic amazing job with his artwork in Astonishing X-men I love it to death
Cable really shouldn’t be able to hold his own against cosmic brings. Silver Surfer can think, react, and move at faster than light speeds. Anything cable does would seem like cable was standing still. The Surfer can destroy and rebuild planets, bring people back from the dead, and so much more.
There are only a handful of beings on earth in 616 that should be able to stand up to him and it would be people like Moleculeman and Franklin Richards.
Depends whether or not he has his board. Without it, he's considerably weaker. It's considered one of the most powerful artifacts in all of Marvel, alongside Mjolnir, the Staff of One, and the M'kraan Crystal.
Hulk can fight Sliver Surfer.
@@li-limandragon9287 dazzler “can fight” silver surfer. That doesn’t mean they’re a match. While the hulk may be a physical match for the silver surfer in terms of strength (last I looked they were both rated at over 100 tons of lift capability) that’s where it ends.
The Surfer is capable of destroying whatever planet the hulk is on. (Without needing a dumb power boost to do so)
The Surfer can move, think, and react at light speed. I want you to think about that for a moment. Then imagine how slow it must seem that the Hulk moves. Any punch the hulk ever threw would seem like it was moving in slow motion. If the fight was written well there is absolutely nothing the hulk could do to threaten the surfer.
They are on different scales of power.
@@zero11010 Hulk nearly destroyed the entire Dark Dimension just by getting angry enough. There is no limit to his power; as World Breaker Hulk a single footstep can destroy planets. His strength is in fact a metaphysical quality, allowing him to do totally impossible things like rip holes in reality with his bare hands. And now we know that, unlike Silver Surfer, Hulk can never permanently die.
As for power level, Apocalypse said that Hulk has the capacity to kill a Celestial. That's something not even Rune King Thor could do.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace sure. And Squirrel Girl beat Thanos. There are plenty of terrible, terrible stories.
Imagine you can destroy a planet. Or create one. Create life. Travel at light sped (which means you can think and move and react at faster than light speed, and you can deal with the damage of striking an object at those speeds). You have ranged blasts of energy than can destroy worlds. You can travel through time. You can rearrange the atoms of virtually anything from light years away (enough to destroy a planet, or turn the hulk to dust - matter manipulation is next level).
And your opponent is a strong and tough humanoid. They are slow. They are strong. Physically stronger than you … eventually … if they build up enough anger, but not right away. And they have no innate ranged attacks aside from throwing things or clapping. And in space he is virtually helpless with nothing to push off of and no way to move.
How hard would it be to keep out of range? The hulk can do virtually NOTHING if he can’t put his hands on you. Spider-Man and captain America have survived hits from the hulk. Hulk to the captain is weaker than a kitten is compared to you (and don’t give me that, he rolled with it crap). How long will it take hulk to get angry enough that his strength is even a potential threat? How many nanoseconds would you need to destroy the hulk as the surfer?
The hulk would basically be frozen in time. Completely stationary. 186,400 that how many miles the surfer can travel each second. You think a 30mph (0.008 miles per second) hulk could even possibly touch the surfer?
That’s what it means to be able to think and react at those speeds. Even someone like quicksilver is nothing when it comes to speed by comparison (I think originally quicksilver’s top speed was like a couple hundred miles per hour).
The hulk would be helpless against someone like the silver surfer …. Unless the story is badly written. That happens a lot.
But, think about how fast the surfer can move. Think about how far away the surfer is deadly. Don’t forget about the surfer’s cosmic awareness.
What are the hulk’s rules this week? Is he banner? Is he green? Is he grey? What are his limits? He isn’t very fast. How would hulk deal with someone 100ft away? 100 miles?
Slightly off with Cyclops. It is concussive blast BUT it hits so fast that sometimes it can cause heat. If I punch you 1000000 times with the speed of Ali it will start to burn as well.
A full and frank apology for my lack of understanding of the laws of physics is at the start of the Kang the Conqueror video - have a butcher's! (And don't hit me 1000000 times with the speed of Ali)
Rogue showing up in the end credits of the marvels would be ideal like ugh. Best way to introduce her. Like her ambushing captain marvel. Or we could see captain marvel gaining her thigh high boots outfit foreshadowing what will happen in the future with her and rogue.
It also works in the sense that Carol is so powerful in the MCU, anyone that curb stomp her so hard raises the stakes in the best fashion.
I hope not. That movie is looking to get critically and commercially bombed. I wouldn't want any character to suffer from that because of Brie Larson. Just look at daredevil in she hulk. Captain marvel will never be portrayed in thighboots and shorts Disney doesn't have the balls to do it lol
@@MrShadowSmith It was more Brie Larson being self conscious about her body. Not something to demonise a person over.
Great job bro, definitely going to check out your other videos.
You were absolutely correct on all points. I m very disappointed with wolverine and Storm . Wolverine should be a better fighter not a brawler and Storm way more powerful and quick
Awesome video!
(It's only if you've ever experienced LSD that classic Doctor Strange & Silver Surfer become legendary)
They hella down play Xavier. They only show his telepathy and not his telekinesis. Xavier became the Onslaught and smashed the Xmen, Avengers, and Fantastic Four.
lol, stop.
firstly, no, he did not become Onslaught at all, his psyche merged with Mags anger which eventually became the Onsluaght entity, which was origianlly an incorporeal being - so no, not Charles.
secondly, and the funniest part about this all is the fact Charles did not have Telekinesis when the first movie was made..
and only in the Ultimate Universe did he have that power until about last year that he got retconned to having a mild form of TK
...what? Xavier doesn't have telekinesis.
@@thatboymeak Onslaught was born out of Xavier's locked away emotions and didn't become separate and his own being till later. He also didn't have Magneto's powers, he had Xavier's powers. Xavier also used his low level telekinesis in the past as an extension of his psionic powers. To move his yellow chair, and his exoskeleton in Fatal Attractions. Reading minds wouldn't help you move an exo suit. Go school some one else kid.
@@WordsofIvory Yup, he does. As said above, he moves his yellow chair and exo suit in Fatal Attractions with Psionic powers, which Telekinesis is an extension of. Reading minds wouldn't help you move or operate machinery like an exo suit.
@@WordsofIvory lol, this guy is a moron.
everything he has said is wrong.
Charles does have TK in the comics now though due to a retcon, which Charles does admit to having very low levels of TK in the earlier stories but again, it was a retcon from 1 or 2 years ago.
op clearly gets his information from facebook or some shit and doesnt actually read.
Cyclops' optic blast may generate heat upon contact with on an object.
Cyclops controls his visor with a button on the side of it with a thumb switch when the visor button can't be reached or is inconvenient.
I'd love to see the MCU take inspiration from X-Men: Evolution when creating Cyclops, Jean & Wolverine tbh, i.e.:
*Scott*
- great leader
- skilled fighter with amazing spacial awareness
- precise control over his optic blasts
*Jean*
- kind hearted but fierce
- don't bother w/ Dark Phoenix (it's been done too much and is too similar to Scarlet Witch anyway)
*Wolverine*
- A close ally of the X-Men but independent too (not team leader)
- more animalistic fighting style, etc
They could also take inspiration for Wolverine & the X-Men for *Nightcrawler* , i.e.:
- confident in his powers
- skilled fighter
Glad people are out here giving Iceman the respect he deserves. Dude is a major threat and the variety in his power set is completely unlimited. Days of Future past had some really badass scenes and was the closest thing we ever got that felt like the x-men using spec-ops tactics and coordinating their abilities; the blink and Iceman scene goes so hard... But then it's completely derailed for the previous time line melodrama. I really hope Marvel Studios delivers what the fans want: the original 5 x-men being absolute badasses.
Let's face facts, Wolverine and Jackman are the stars of these movies. They were never concerned about how any of the other characters were portrayed. Wolvie's powers were definitely enhanced for the movies. I can remember reading the comics in the 80s. His healing factor was never as instaneous as it is in the movies. It could take days to heal from some serious injuries. I remember that Mystique theorized that he could bleed out from a slashed throat before his healing factor could save him.
They all got a boost in the 90’s to keep pace with the competition. It suddenly became important to them to make their popular heroes more powerful and it spread out from there. Comparing that time to movies, it looks like a nerf to some people. In his own comics they wanted the enemies to feel like a threat, in other appearances they wanted the guest to feel like a threat, so he was all over the place. I think people just want their favorites to keep pace. I’m sure Wolverine would’ve got a somewhat similar treatment to Cap or BP as far as strength, speed and fighting ability if they would’ve had him in marvel movies.
Its probably some old literation,Wolvie's powers are basicly magical when you think about it as in most comics his healing factor is so powerful that he can heal from nothing but a skeleton
I would love to see more of this, such a good idea
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@@its6degrees hype!
Quicksilver was probably more powerful in the movies than the comics, with some exceptions
Correction, there is no beating up Juggernaught... There is hitting him and making him move slower. But he takes zero damage.
When he's tickled, that stops him...
momentarily.
@@budsak7771 Juggernaut is physically unstoppable once he starts moving forward. The only effective defenses are psychic attacks, teleport him away, or impede him so he loses interest.
@@evanjohnson1299 Aww, look at you with your big words. 🤣JK. But seriously, I'm pretty sure he was just standing there after Jubilee paf'd him and gave him a tickle.
@evanjohnson1299 the hulk used his momentum against him. He can be tripped or tossed.
Great video! Too bad you're wrong about the Silver Surfer. He is awesome!
I remember a fucking hilarious interview with Marsden when X2 came out. He talks about that fight scene being added to show that he can do more than just look at things. I remember him them going on this huge tangent about otherwise getting overweight and struggling to keep up with the rest of the X-men.
Fun fact about storm, she can produce oxygen and storms in space
Scott's beams burn because it's force that's moving faster than light causing friction. Like rubbing sticks together quickly or when a speedster runs at top speeds and leaves burn marks, it's friction burns. It makes sense
A full and frank apology for my lack of understanding of the laws of physics is at the start of the Kang the Conqueror video - have a butcher's!
Faster than light?! Wtf are you smoking?
@@jasonlauritsen5587 meant light speed. They are as fast as light, meaning they travel same speed as light. Which is still fast as fuck. It's why he's able to hit speedsters and cause burns
I have a memory from childhood of a dystopian future in X-Men where all (or maybe it was "nearly all) of the mutants were killed off, except for Cyclops and Wolverine. That really put Cyclops in perspective for me, since Wolverine can get damaged a million different ways and still survive, whereas Cyclops is still very much mortal and susceptible to death in a million different ways throughout his adventures.
The reason every adaptation interprets his powers is heat vision is two fold. Firstly, being an optic ability heat vision is a far more plausible explanation than concussive blasts. Secondly, we've seen a good example of heat vision as Superman uses his his efficiently.
I conclude, after doing further reading, that optic heat vision is more plausible than inter-dimensional concussive blasts. Furthermore, as this is Scott's primary power he utilizes it in a more effective and creative way than Superman so there isn't any competition to justify changing the power. The concussive force could be a byproduct of his heat blast but is best suited as a vocal power like that of Banshee or concussive blasts projected from someone's fist.
But that's just my opinion.
The first three Fox movies, were more "Wolverine and friends" rather than "X-men" lol. They definitely sidelined a lot of powerful mutants in those movies.
It stands to reason that the blast itself may not have any heat to it, but the friction caused by the concussive blast may be enough to cause things to burn
Nah I know - have been corrected by a few people smarter than me! I tried to use an info card in the video to say that I now know, but it isn't stopping the corrections coming in...
They keep doing my boy Cyclops dirty in the movies
This list reminded my why I hate the power creep in comics, especially the X-men. Storm, Jean, yeah they are definitely Omega level. But Iceman? No way. And Cable was much more of a compelling character before the Summers/askani retcon. Not to mention Rogue and Cyclops being able to control their powers will never sit right with me, it’s the whole point of their characters!
Jotunheim I pronounced Yo-tun-hi-m not with a J sound
There's got to be at least one mispronunciation! Thanks Peter
"Trop dep div" Made me laugh more than it should have
What I hated is they would show the X-Men training in the Danger Room you would think they would operate like an elite unit but nope. Cyclops should have been quarterbacks plays.
There was actually a reference in one of the movies about how Cyke is so reserved because if he loses control, he can "punch a hole through a mountain"; and we do see it mostly as a concussive blast, but yeah, they also took it to be the same thing as Superman's heat vision, which...no. Not at all. Also, I'm all for long-hair Cyclops.
In describing Scott’s powers in the comics, you literally illustrate the issue! That being the inconsistency!
When Cable fights the Silver Surfer over Provenance both combatants are deconstructing and rebuilding structures to avoid damaging them and Cable breaks the surfboard.
Da Fuq??
Every character gets nerfed for the Movies because you can't have a believable story otherwise. The movie would be over in 2 sec. Either the villain chosen would be too powerful to defeat or the heroes are too powerful for the villain to pose a threat. So, some characters get nerfed so all the fan favorites can be in the movie and the movie still kind of make sense. I actually think a reboot of the comics are needed to balance the characters better. No more "Hulk is so strong, he can punch a hole in space/time" because that is in the comics.
Darwin got super nerfed. I don't think an explanation is needed. He needs to be on this list at the top.
Super agree with Storm. Fun fact: She controls the weather of the planet/atmosphere she is in and is capable of creating anything that is remotely possible on that planet. Making her powers really neat if she is ever on an alien world but theoretically makes her weaker if she is on a space station.
I think both Wolverine and Sabretooth got nerfed but in a different way. Their powers are about right, but they both are supposed to be extremely well-trained fighters/martial artists. However, you mostly just see them swinging wildly. I know Wolverine will go berserk and just Ferally slash away in the comics, but that is not his default move, its last resort. In the first X-Men, Sabretooth fights like a bear, and Wolverine has trouble fighting Mystique. I'd like to see the versions of them that have been trained by Weapon X, Special Forces, Ninjas, and Samurai.
Iceman is godlike powerful in the comics at his full potential. Besides being able to reach near absolute 0 around him (Which will kill most things) and being nearly indestructible, like the liquid metal terminator, He is able to cause cataclysmic storms much like Storm, but with less control, by lowering the temperatures in the atmosphere causing extreme low-pressure formations like tornadoes.
Sick video man! I'm a massive comic book fan but know nothing compared to you. Still need to watch new mutants. Also a thing I wondered as Storm's abilities are weather manipulation would she be able to freeze the side of the space shuttle in one of the later iterations. Will be subscribing and watching further videos :)
Bruh no shit, lol she manipulates weather systems. The woman can make acid rain or natural hydrogen cluster bombs (due to atmospheric pressure) when given enough time to concentrate. This kinda also means Storm is probably 2nd smartest in terms of science on the X-Men, cause this means she has to understand how chemistry works in flux to control the forces of nature.
Beast is undoubtedly the smartest relative to scientific matters. I'd say Storm is next, Jean (master of psychiatry and psychology), then Forge (engineering genius), Scott (knows physics), Thunderbird (cause he can read body language better than anyone), etc.
@@murk4552 I don't know if forge belongs that high, it's been stated that his powers don't exactly make him smarter per se, they just make him able to understand the way machines work. Like, Tony Stark and Reed Richards can make the same types of things he can, maybe slightly worse, but they're smarter than him with engineering (and obviously other topics). He just intuitively knows what kind of things will do what, maybe picked up some tricks along the way, but it's mostly his powers, not a whole lot just him
Marvel can make so much money with Xmen with the blueprint they did with Avengers. Solo movies of Wolverine as we all know. Cyclops against Mr Sinster. Rogue and Gambit. Storm solo movie. Magneto. Colossus and Kitty Pride. Angel. So many potential before they do an Xmen movie.
Ice Man, in the comics, can freeze every water particle in a person's body in just seconds, he did that to Legion, the son of Charles Xavier...
Is it the same Legion that's in the Ghost Rider movie?
@@corepunch no, thats Blackheart.
@@victoriaabrilvazquez9863 But then he said "My name is Legion because we are many"
@@corepunch but Its not the same character, I Mean David Haller, son of Charles Xavier and Gabrielle Haller, Blackheart made a refference to the bible... Its not the same.
@@victoriaabrilvazquez9863 I see! I found that weird, that's why I asked, thank you!
Nate Grey has actually appeared in one of the live action X-Men movies. In the very beginning of Days of the Future Past.
Didn't know that much about cable, especially being cyclops son. I'm down for a cable film trilogy
Thank you very much for this video we got 20years of shot from this IP by fox, and I'm glad that finally somebody out there admits it that Brian singer and fox killed this franchise.
Thank you once again for your video, looking forward to the next one.
I do believe an energetic enough kinetic particle beam would likely generate a lot of heat, just as a byproduct
Can we do this for every comic book movie character?
Edit: actually I see that you have already done that lol. Noice 👌
In the x-men movie Storm flying is like me flying in my dream…can’t get it up high…just float in the air… ridiculous
And one thing I have to add with Sunspot that I put on every video about Sunspot is that Sunspot is Black he’s not Mexican!!! I wish the movies would stop making him Mexican instead of black like he is. In the comics he’s always darker skinned but in the movies he’s always Mexican or something like that smh.
That “strike a post” is funny as shit hahaha
Image being that guy that thought of that Xmen Deadpool version, feels pretty bad probably :D
Cyclops beam would generate UNIMAGINABLE amounts of heat lmao. If you think about what happens when you rub two sticks together for long enough, you realize his beam would be quite hot indeed.
"But sir, what about darwin?"
"We dont talk about darwin."
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@@its6degrees oh, well this is a surprise to be sure, but a welcomed one!
In the wolverine movie they downgraded silver foxes persuasion powers to where they worked on wolverine but didn't work on sabertooth that was ridiculous
Didn't they explain with some dialogs like sabertooth doesn't have feelings for humans he's just a cold merciless killer therefore can't be persuaded
@@MrShadowSmith that may have been the reasoning, but it still seemed like a cop out as in one of the movies when Wolverine was in a beserker rage, Jean calmed him down almost instantly, telepathically, some powre seem to work when they want them to. for the movie plot.
@@jeffthekillercriticremixer5968 I guess telepathy works different to what silver fox was doing. But then again Jean is very inconsistent in movies she got her Phoenix powers in 'X men: dark Phoenix' but then what the heck was the thing she used to beat apocalypse?. These movies are a mess they contradict themselves.
@@MrShadowSmith Yeah, like that, I can remember a mutant named Hypnotia from Iron man using her power to put a town of about 200 to sleep for 2 weeks, and Grandma Morlock making Wolverine or Gambit think he was covered with scorpions. and Jean believing she was her mother, and jean is a level 1 telepath. Also with Fox being Emma's sister, she should have been stronger. in her abilities. if she wasnt she would have never been picked for the weapon X program
I believe Rogue (at one point) permanently absorbed the powers of *Sunfire* not Sunspot.
Sunfire is the pyrokinetic, vaguely nuclear, plasma-wielding Japanese man of "All-New, All-Different X-Men" fame.
Sunspot is the Afro-Brazilian solar-energy-absorber who turns black and shadowy when he uses his powers, and debuted in New Mutants.
In the 90s cartoon Rogue was working for Mystique deceiving her as "Mama". She drained Carol Danvers of her powers to the extent that Captain Marvel is left in a coma. Rogue in the movies can't fly and isn't super strong
Still the movies could just give her that powerset from another mutant.
CW Smallville Clark Kent and MCU Captain America has shown you can have a pretty boy jock who is narratively interesting and popular with audiences. X Men's Cyclops deserves nothing less.
What about Darvin tho. Biggest nerf in comic-movie history. Comic version could survive literally anything, except being a black character in a movie apparently.
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I learned a lot about Sunspit today. I sure did think was just a Japanese fire guy.
The movies did Cyclops so fucking dirty. He's the damn LEADER, not just a background character!