Nail biter! As a Sharks supporter, think the Bulls threw that away. Been critical of the Sharks second stringers not standing up - but that was character building, like the Currie cup semi & Final. Well done boys!
... and last year's Challenge Cup. There are few quality youngsters comming through, who are now learning how to win tight matches. Hope it will pay off in future and that Sharks will grow into one of the great teams like Leinster and Toulouse.
I agree, the 2nd stringers faired better with a few experienced heads around. Their traditional implosion didn't happen and they (the Sharks) actually got into double figures (points wise)
Bulls desperately need a new 10 that isn't Goosen. Bulls had every opportunity to win it and didn't. They can feel aggrieved by some poor reffing near the end, but this game should never have been that close based on the absolute forward dominance by the Bulls in both scrum and lineout maul
Tim, please do a piece on the reffing in these games. Look, I'm a Munster man, I've absolutely nothing against any team, but the ref's in the URC are absolutely atrocious. The bigger clubs get the rub of the green everytime. The ref and the tmo's dictate the result of a game. It's plain sickening. The Leinster v Connacht game, Leinster got everything. Mack has spoken out about it, and good on him, because someone had to. I'd love for you to highlight it a bit more too. It might get fixed if everyone speaks out about it now. Love your videos man.
I think they need to invest big money in the refs. This is destroying the game. I believe the ref team needs to work together for the entire season. They need to be evaluated as a team. Some game the TMO is almost the the ref other games they are dead quiet. The game you talked about could not believe my eyes. How did the TMO get it wrong every time. But we blame the mane in the middel it they work as team all year we can get value there performance.
I tried to put off watching this vid, though I could watch Stormers-Lions on SuperSport. Sounds like a belter, and I hope I can catch a replay. Thanks for the analysis; still sounds worth watching even with spoiler. (I probably spent too much time tracking my Ohio State Buckeyes and the other U.S. college football 🏈 playoffs this weekend. Hope Tim also caught a bit of those!)
There were two reasons for the loss by the Bulls… for all their losses: (1) our flyhalf is not up to scratch (2) we are lacking a leader on the field….
Bulls attitude is atrocious. The positive results have been hiding it but if you're a fan of them, watching closely (like I am) it has been clear since the back end of the last urc. Letting teams back in at the end of games (Glasgow, benetton), not playing the big moments (urc final, currie Cup semi final with the sharks down to 12), now the champions Cup debacle and losing this game when they clearly had the better squad. Where is the defence? That's always the measure of attitude, right? Every time an opposing team gets the ball close to the line they score. That's no good. The bulls just seem unwilling to do the dark work, lack commitment and possibly aren't even fit. Now, some of that is the players' responsibility. But as rassie has clearly shown, coaching plays a massive role in getting attitude, culture etc right in a squad. Imagine what Franco Smith would achieve with this bulls squad. 🤬
Jurie Mathee to the bulls? He is sitting behind 3 boks at the stormers, and the bulls need someone who takes his opportunities. He even looked ok in that shocker against the quins.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have alot of respect for Jake, and I thank him for all he has done for SA Rugby, but I think it's time for him to go.
Been a consistant trait of his coaching. After a couple seasons, he just seems to lose the plot, player management, succession and longterm planning are glaring weaknesses of his, followed him his whole career.
Imagine plumtree was the Sharks coach in the 2000s with another world cup winning bok loaded team and never deliverex a trophy at the highest level , he has never delivered a top trophy even thoigh the sharks have often had the best team on paper .
@@bradnaude2334 Rassie had a loaded Stormers team and didn't win Super Rugby. Rassie must be kak. That is your level of reasoning. Sharks are doing great now, have 2 trophies in the cabinet. Bulls should have won that game last night, for many reasons. The 10 injuries, the late withdrawals.
It was inconclusive, there was tension between the two hands and then it came off the shoulder of the bulls player and the slap away was cynical as anything.
Please help me. Maybe I've missed something. The penalty try - for me the shark player clearly knocked the ball on and after that the bulls player did get rid of the ball which gave the penalty try. Should it not been a 5m scrum for the bulls?
The sharks have really upped the game day experience this year, big concerts after quite a few games, got 2 tickets for the Toulouse game today with the Buy one get one free special in the party stand, with 2 beers and 2 Boerie rolls all for R100 (4 and a bit Pounds)
Bulls should have won that comfortably. Should have! However, should have means nothing. Good to see the Sharks making it count. Been a long time since we’ve seen this fighting spirit.
The post match interview with Jake White was also really revealing of the situation at the bulls right now. He said he resonated with the comments of Pep Guardiola and how he has to look at himself to see if the problem isnt with him and not the team itself... really doom and gloom interview from Jake
@Eric-1924 no I don't think it's similar... the final was pure heartbreak. I watched that interview live and you could almost see the tears swell up. I remember vividly him saying he really wanted it for the young men in that group and what that winning feeling would've done for the culture within the group and for the fans. He really wears his heart on his sleeve that guy, even I felt really sad for the bulls and I'm a stormers fan from CPT.
He is a bit odd, to say the least. I am not a fan of his style tbh. Clearly has coaching skills, but his personal skills make his coaching job harder for sure. He needs like a PR update to 2025 to get up to speed. John Dobson is really good at keeping up with the times and staying fresh. Plumtree is doing okay too with the boys.
They did see him touch it, we all did, but as they said, it didn't clearly travel forward, it was the Bulls wing's shoulder/arm that then bumped it from Ethan's grasp. The slapping of the ball over the dead ball line was clear as day though.
Sorry to say, but both teams need new flyhalves (Nr 10) and the Sharks a new scrumhalf (9) as well. With the current players they cannot expect to win games.
I liked it. Sick of every time a ball is dropped being called a knock on automatically even if it is down or the movement is back. It becoming like football (American). Hooker clearly pulled the ball back, but the ball went fwd because DK was also pulling the ball back his way and won than battle. I feel if it is not clearly fwd it should be assumed it is not. World rugby want less scrums, but they are doing that by removing scrums as an option, whereas they should be reducing the scrum infractions. It’s a bit like the knock on laws… getting so pedantic that even genuine attempts are yellow cards.
The Bulls made too many mistakes. They should remember that rugby is more than just lineouts and scrums, and set-pieces alone won't win you matches. Here's what separates the Bulls from a top team like Leinster: - Firstly, the Leinster forwards actually have ball skills. They can pass and never look surprised when the ball is passed to them (Akker van der Merwe is an exception and really good). - Secondly, the Bulls lack pace in the backline. The only ones that seem fast are Moody, Arendse and maybe Papier. And if one or two get injured, the team is stuffed. - There's a general lack of foresight and creativity in the backs, even with Le Roux there, and he's leaving at the end of the season. So things are going to get worse. - The team doesn't seem to have premeditated plans to breach defenses. They rely heavily on size to overpower opponents and this rarely works in the modern game. - They don't protect the ball well enough. Opponents frequently rip balls from their grasp, or they lose in the rucks. - They seem to have mental weaknesses when playing away from home - even in South Africa. - Lastly, the players seem scared to try anything. There's no flow to their game because the coach has obviously instilled a rigidity that makes it impossible to adjust on the fly. It's not all doom and gloom. The Bulls probably have the best scrummagers in the entire URC. And while size alone isn't enough, we can see how poorly Welsh teams do with their smaller players. The fact is, the Bulls have the raw ingredients, but their forward need better coaching while their backs need more freedom.
Can it translate to International Rugby you ask Tim. No, The gulf is getting wider and wider. Remember when the Super 10 (?) began, I’m sure I wasn’t the only one who got bored very quickly with the ‘touch rugby’ approach. 20 years on, we’re where they were……
Useless referee and TV ref in sharks/ Bulls game1) just before the penalty try is awarded, ref tells Willie it is not a knock. Mr Blind ref , watch time 52:28 .. if it was not a knock why did you indicate advantage to the Bulls. 2) 5 m scrum from Sharks goalline.Koch scrums nearly 90 degrees inwards to stop to stop a penalty try…. No response from Immelman and Ferreira. 3. Mapimpi head on head tackle on Papier.at just over 72 min. No response.. Let those fraudsters go and whistle primary school ..
Really? Not one comment about how terrible overrated/over animated old Willie le Roux continues to be, or on Johan Goosen's no care attitude; the guy has been wasting his talent for a decade... Team is in trouble when the 10 and 15 are consistently your worst players. Jake should let them go, enough with overrated players who are clearly past their prime.
Stormer`s here, through and through. At least Sharks arent. NVM buying players - Lions did the same EDIT:Michalak etc................ Stil didn't win sh1t
Bog off, that came off of the bulls shoulder. You cannot claim that to be a knock on. Despite all the rough decisions from Ferreira today, that was one correct one.
Congrats Sharks, fully deserved, showing great character to win. They will be the team to carry SA flag in both CC and URC. Bulls had their 3 years chances to win it and blew it badly last year. Sometimes teams just never recover from such bad losses, ask that great team of the Sharks of 2007, they never won something big after 2007. Current Bulls team have much less talent than that Sharks team, so no way they will standup, just reality of missed opportunities in sport. Last 3 matches revealed that bulls scars: they play not to lose, not to win as great teams should do. Best for Bulls rugby is to take the current talented group, add a young 10 from somewhere, and more importantly, a new coaching group that can inspire and take the team to next level.
Why say only Sharks depleted? Sharks pack missed Bongi, Eben and Siya? Bulls pack missed Nortje, Marco and Ludwig. The one positive for Bulls, their massive scrum, dominating Sharks bok front row, add some generals in backline next season, then they can go forward again.
As always TIm, your insight, knowledge and unbiased analysis in respect of all games on your programme are the highlights of my week. Thank you!
Aphelele Fassi plays such an entertaining game of rugby
Nail biter! As a Sharks supporter, think the Bulls threw that away. Been critical of the Sharks second stringers not standing up - but that was character building, like the Currie cup semi & Final. Well done boys!
... and last year's Challenge Cup. There are few quality youngsters comming through, who are now learning how to win tight matches. Hope it will pay off in future and that Sharks will grow into one of the great teams like Leinster and Toulouse.
@@ChristianVonWielligh I hope too...
I agree, the 2nd stringers faired better with a few experienced heads around. Their traditional implosion didn't happen and they (the Sharks) actually got into double figures (points wise)
Bulls desperately need a new 10 that isn't Goosen. Bulls had every opportunity to win it and didn't. They can feel aggrieved by some poor reffing near the end, but this game should never have been that close based on the absolute forward dominance by the Bulls in both scrum and lineout maul
Get SFM from the stormers so he can get regular playtime at flyhalf.
Get pollard back
Tim, please do a piece on the reffing in these games. Look, I'm a Munster man, I've absolutely nothing against any team, but the ref's in the URC are absolutely atrocious. The bigger clubs get the rub of the green everytime. The ref and the tmo's dictate the result of a game. It's plain sickening. The Leinster v Connacht game, Leinster got everything. Mack has spoken out about it, and good on him, because someone had to. I'd love for you to highlight it a bit more too. It might get fixed if everyone speaks out about it now.
Love your videos man.
I think they need to invest big money in the refs. This is destroying the game. I believe the ref team needs to work together for the entire season. They need to be evaluated as a team. Some game the TMO is almost the the ref other games they are dead quiet. The game you talked about could not believe my eyes. How did the TMO get it wrong every time. But we blame the mane in the middel it they work as team all year we can get value there performance.
Very frusted Bulls fan we are know for being one eyed. But honstely the Leinster Connact gave I could not even keep watching.
Anything will get fixed. They will complain about abuse from the public and then sweep everything under the table.
Thanks Tim Coetzee, great content all year. Merry Christmas my bru
Happy wih the Sharks win, but Ox nche ate too many salads during the week
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Apparantly wilco louw is the only person who gives Ox problems in practise, as someone who used to be a prop, scrums are a team effort ,
@@bradnaude2334yeah I think missing the Bongi and Eben makes a big difference in the power of the scrum.
I tried to put off watching this vid, though I could watch Stormers-Lions on SuperSport. Sounds like a belter, and I hope I can catch a replay. Thanks for the analysis; still sounds worth watching even with spoiler. (I probably spent too much time tracking my Ohio State Buckeyes and the other U.S. college football 🏈 playoffs this weekend. Hope Tim also caught a bit of those!)
There were two reasons for the loss by the Bulls… for all their losses: (1) our flyhalf is not up to scratch (2) we are lacking a leader on the field….
Why is Jake benching coetzee he is the leader of note i believe without the regular captain the lock chap forgot his name my apologies
Bulls attitude is atrocious. The positive results have been hiding it but if you're a fan of them, watching closely (like I am) it has been clear since the back end of the last urc. Letting teams back in at the end of games (Glasgow, benetton), not playing the big moments (urc final, currie Cup semi final with the sharks down to 12), now the champions Cup debacle and losing this game when they clearly had the better squad.
Where is the defence? That's always the measure of attitude, right? Every time an opposing team gets the ball close to the line they score. That's no good. The bulls just seem unwilling to do the dark work, lack commitment and possibly aren't even fit. Now, some of that is the players' responsibility. But as rassie has clearly shown, coaching plays a massive role in getting attitude, culture etc right in a squad. Imagine what Franco Smith would achieve with this bulls squad. 🤬
Jurie Mathee to the bulls? He is sitting behind 3 boks at the stormers, and the bulls need someone who takes his opportunities. He even looked ok in that shocker against the quins.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have alot of respect for Jake, and I thank him for all he has done for SA Rugby, but I think it's time for him to go.
Been a consistant trait of his coaching. After a couple seasons, he just seems to lose the plot, player management, succession and longterm planning are glaring weaknesses of his, followed him his whole career.
They are 3rd on the log and have a game in hand?
And who would replace him ?
Imagine plumtree was the Sharks coach in the 2000s with another world cup winning bok loaded team and never deliverex a trophy at the highest level , he has never delivered a top trophy even thoigh the sharks have often had the best team on paper .
@@bradnaude2334 Rassie had a loaded Stormers team and didn't win Super Rugby. Rassie must be kak.
That is your level of reasoning. Sharks are doing great now, have 2 trophies in the cabinet.
Bulls should have won that game last night, for many reasons. The 10 injuries, the late withdrawals.
I was hoping for your take on the penalty try Tim, thought the officials got that badly wrong!
It was inconclusive, there was tension between the two hands and then it came off the shoulder of the bulls player and the slap away was cynical as anything.
For sure. A knock-on is a knock-on even if it is only half a centimeter
@@drFrancoisGriesel You are right a knock-on is a knock-on but only when the ball goes forward 🤷♂
@@brettfleiner4906 Which it did. He knocked it on into the hands /arms of the Bulls player. Therefore a clear knock-on
@@drFrancoisGriesel Not clear at all, hence the decision by both the ref and TMO was NOTHING CLEAR.
Great stuff Tim ...do u realize you now have enough followers that would fill 2 massive rugby stadiums!
Please help me. Maybe I've missed something. The penalty try - for me the shark player clearly knocked the ball on and after that the bulls player did get rid of the ball which gave the penalty try. Should it not been a 5m scrum for the bulls?
Jake is two years past best by date
Sharks boks need a break! Not seen a springbok front row get munched like that in a long time (albeit by another springbok front row)
Bulls managed to not find a win after having all the dominance yet again. Its a clear failure of coaching
Bulls backline is poor starting with Goosen who has been poor.Jake can't play the game for the players.
Jake 2015 yeah. Not sure about his relevance in 2024😮😮
I was at the game. Great to see thousands of youngsters having a jol. The Sharks though were disappointing. I have no idea how they won that game🦈🇿🇦
Against the Bulls, anything possible, ask Glasgow, ask Saints, ask Sharks...!? 😳😬
The sharks have really upped the game day experience this year, big concerts after quite a few games, got 2 tickets for the Toulouse game today with the Buy one get one free special in the party stand, with 2 beers and 2 Boerie rolls all for R100 (4 and a bit Pounds)
Just saw the brief highlights on the URC channel, and that last try was indeed a penalty try.
Ox was monstered by Wilco Louw!
Bulls should have won that comfortably. Should have! However, should have means nothing. Good to see the Sharks making it count. Been a long time since we’ve seen this fighting spirit.
The post match interview with Jake White was also really revealing of the situation at the bulls right now. He said he resonated with the comments of Pep Guardiola and how he has to look at himself to see if the problem isnt with him and not the team itself... really doom and gloom interview from Jake
Same one as after the URC final last year?
@Eric-1924 no I don't think it's similar... the final was pure heartbreak. I watched that interview live and you could almost see the tears swell up. I remember vividly him saying he really wanted it for the young men in that group and what that winning feeling would've done for the culture within the group and for the fans. He really wears his heart on his sleeve that guy, even I felt really sad for the bulls and I'm a stormers fan from CPT.
@@matthewkayser4162 Your description, is it his feelings after urc final, or after tonight's bad loss?
Yeah, his interview was quite bizarre.
He is a bit odd, to say the least. I am not a fan of his style tbh. Clearly has coaching skills, but his personal skills make his coaching job harder for sure. He needs like a PR update to 2025 to get up to speed. John Dobson is really good at keeping up with the times and staying fresh. Plumtree is doing okay too with the boys.
Back at Loftus we see now we back at home
We see at Loftus
Tim Coetzee 😅
Jake, can you see it coming? You will be out of a job soon. Bring in Franco Smit pls.
SA coaching tickets are subject to standard
How all the officials could not see a sharks players touching that ball is beyond me.
They did see him touch it, we all did, but as they said, it didn't clearly travel forward, it was the Bulls wing's shoulder/arm that then bumped it from Ethan's grasp. The slapping of the ball over the dead ball line was clear as day though.
@brettfleiner4906 you are running full sprint forward...touch a ball and they are not sure it it went forward?????? Where else good it have gone to
Sorry to say, but both teams need new flyhalves (Nr 10) and the Sharks a new scrumhalf (9) as well. With the current players they cannot expect to win games.
The couch is the problem
Uncomfortable???
@@phil.5030Couch potato! 😅
Jake White is far to old school and seems reticent to change. He will catch up just very slowly!!
Surely the penalty try decision wrong? 😮
I liked it. Sick of every time a ball is dropped being called a knock on automatically even if it is down or the movement is back. It becoming like football (American). Hooker clearly pulled the ball back, but the ball went fwd because DK was also pulling the ball back his way and won than battle.
I feel if it is not clearly fwd it should be assumed it is not. World rugby want less scrums, but they are doing that by removing scrums as an option, whereas they should be reducing the scrum infractions.
It’s a bit like the knock on laws… getting so pedantic that even genuine attempts are yellow cards.
Problem is the ref never called advantage over from a sharks knock on 2 phases back. Hence why Willie made a scene
The Bulls made too many mistakes. They should remember that rugby is more than just lineouts and scrums, and set-pieces alone won't win you matches. Here's what separates the Bulls from a top team like Leinster:
- Firstly, the Leinster forwards actually have ball skills. They can pass and never look surprised when the ball is passed to them (Akker van der Merwe is an exception and really good).
- Secondly, the Bulls lack pace in the backline. The only ones that seem fast are Moody, Arendse and maybe Papier. And if one or two get injured, the team is stuffed.
- There's a general lack of foresight and creativity in the backs, even with Le Roux there, and he's leaving at the end of the season. So things are going to get worse.
- The team doesn't seem to have premeditated plans to breach defenses. They rely heavily on size to overpower opponents and this rarely works in the modern game.
- They don't protect the ball well enough. Opponents frequently rip balls from their grasp, or they lose in the rucks.
- They seem to have mental weaknesses when playing away from home - even in South Africa.
- Lastly, the players seem scared to try anything. There's no flow to their game because the coach has obviously instilled a rigidity that makes it impossible to adjust on the fly.
It's not all doom and gloom. The Bulls probably have the best scrummagers in the entire URC. And while size alone isn't enough, we can see how poorly Welsh teams do with their smaller players. The fact is, the Bulls have the raw ingredients, but their forward need better coaching while their backs need more freedom.
Goosen has failed to deliver for some time now.Not a big time player. Wilco Louw is a beast.
Can it translate to International Rugby you ask Tim. No, The gulf is getting wider and wider. Remember when the Super 10 (?) began, I’m sure I wasn’t the only one who got bored very quickly with the ‘touch rugby’ approach. 20 years on, we’re where they were……
Useless referee and TV ref in sharks/ Bulls game1) just before the penalty try is awarded, ref tells Willie it is not a knock. Mr Blind ref , watch time 52:28 .. if it was not a knock why did you indicate advantage to the Bulls. 2) 5 m scrum from Sharks goalline.Koch scrums nearly 90 degrees inwards to stop to stop a penalty try…. No response from Immelman and Ferreira. 3. Mapimpi head on head tackle on Papier.at just over 72 min. No response.. Let those fraudsters go and whistle primary school ..
Is that the reason the bulls lost?😊
Been given a penalty try with two obvious infringements I would say yes.
Really? Not one comment about how terrible overrated/over animated old Willie le Roux continues to be, or on Johan Goosen's no care attitude; the guy has been wasting his talent for a decade... Team is in trouble when the 10 and 15 are consistently your worst players. Jake should let them go, enough with overrated players who are clearly past their prime.
Stormer`s here, through and through. At least Sharks arent. NVM buying players - Lions did the same
EDIT:Michalak etc................
Stil didn't win sh1t
Bulls 10 is poor...get back Pollard..
Knock on from sharks at lineout just before penalty try...this ref just let to much slide....bulls shoking again
Jip, and the ref is a Pretoria laaitjie, he was trying way too hard to be a neutral ref.
Why the Bulls did not take a scrum 5min before end while dominating it??? Crazy, dumb. Referee was terrible!! Where do these guys come from?
Professional players amateur officials is what is going to ruin rugby
The Bulls can feel mightily aggrieved about that penalty try, as Hooker had knocked the ball forward.
Bog off, that came off of the bulls shoulder. You cannot claim that to be a knock on. Despite all the rough decisions from Ferreira today, that was one correct one.
@@angusevans0621it was a knock on from the sharks.
Hooker knocked it toward himself, the bulls player then knocked it out of his possession, there was no knock on.
@@cornebester1505 Can't be sure of that. That is why it wasn't over turned.
@@brettfleiner4906 Exactly
Congrats Sharks, fully deserved, showing great character to win. They will be the team to carry SA flag in both CC and URC. Bulls had their 3 years chances to win it and blew it badly last year. Sometimes teams just never recover from such bad losses, ask that great team of the Sharks of 2007, they never won something big after 2007.
Current Bulls team have much less talent than that Sharks team, so no way they will standup, just reality of missed opportunities in sport. Last 3 matches revealed that bulls scars: they play not to lose, not to win as great teams should do. Best for Bulls rugby is to take the current talented group, add a young 10 from somewhere, and more importantly, a new coaching group that can inspire and take the team to next level.
Perhaps you should learn what rugby is…. Your comment indicate the opposite
Perhaps you should give reasons why you disagree with my arguments, else you sound like a ignorant guy that should do what you just said... nothing?
Argue with people that have an IQ
Bull's first choice team is really good. They can beat anyone.
See, once again, you have no arguments. 😉
Why say only Sharks depleted? Sharks pack missed Bongi, Eben and Siya? Bulls pack missed Nortje, Marco and Ludwig.
The one positive for Bulls, their massive scrum, dominating Sharks bok front row, add some generals in backline next season, then they can go forward again.
Gumede, brink, smith etc
No. Sharks are missing: Bongi, Richardson, Mbatha (3 hookers) Eben, Van Heerden, Grobler (3 locks), Siya, Venter, Tshituka (starting back row), Williams, Am.
Balls dropping all over sa rugby.knock on.today was slipping hands. Could it be eye problem. A spec saveŕ test would do no harm.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂