Douglas Murray: Russia-Ukraine war is setting a ‘terrible historical precedent’
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- The Russian invasion of Ukraine is teaching the world a “terrible lesson of the 21st century,” according to author Douglas Murray.
“There is a terrible historical precedent here,” Mr Murray said.
“Ukraine in the 1990s gave up the nuclear arsenal that was on its terrain, and it did so in an agreement where Britain, Russia, America assured Ukraine that they would defend its sovereignty.
“We already see here a terrible lesson of the 21st century … if you give up your nuclear weapons, you can be invaded.
“This is the biggest invitation to say, ‘once you’re nuclear, you can do anything’.”
Even as a black person I would not want to be appointed for being black because everyone can then say, "you only got it because you were black" and not because I earned it from my hard work. I also get so angry when non-black people distort my desire for fairness into a different form of injustice. I don't want preferential treatment just the same treatment others get. Two wrongs don't make a right.
How simple and elegant a thought!
You are an example of what Democrats mean when they call someone a white supremacist. In their Newspeak "racist" means white, "anti-racist" means anti-white, and "white supremacist" means non-racist.
Sadly people will and do think 'you got it because of how you look'.
Spot on mate. So wish everyone was so fair minded.
@@luciusesox1luckysox570 You're too kind. Cheers and good evening.
Douglas Murray, as always a man of reason. A very clever thinker.
He is a clever con artist.
Rubbish. he's an idiot who hates Russians and hates Palestinians
I hate to say this as an American citizen and a combat veteran. Australia look out for yourselves; don't depend on the United States or Great Britain for anything. You're your own continent; you're on your own, take care of yourselves. You don't know how much this pains me to say this. Please be aware of China. They have the eyes on you. I know you guys can defend yourselves; you have the greatest marksman in the world. You're as good as the United States and Marine Corps; your soldiers are highly trained. The Australian army is known for marksmanship. It's time to start buffering your defenses.
Agreed. I think most Australians are realizing these things.
Chill mate.
Yup, to you, mate. I'm good 👍if you're good. I'm here. You're there. You know what's best for yourself. Good luck God bless
@@basiltozer9078 China you will find has a Big, Weak army. If you think Russia is bad, wait till you see China, the problem is mentality , rote learning, the inability to innovate and criticise established thinking.
China's army will follow the failures of it's political failures, it's embedded in the system, there is nothing they can do to stop it, it's the main characteristic of the CCP.
We see where this has got Russia and Russia has far more options, experience to draw from compared to China. No the Chinese Armed forces are terrible
What are the chances that your age is more that 50? This unwarranted messiah complex cringe from a literal irrelevant nobody is a 50+ dudes thing.
Still doesn’t explain why NATO and the EU kept pushing to include Ukraine over the years. Doesn’t matter who the Russian leader is…it’s a matter of significant strategic interest for Russia for centuries
It's their strategic interest to invade and kill us who live to the West of it. We evil people just keep denying them that. How malicious we are!
Utter nonsense! After the dissolution of the USSR, Ukraine relinquished nuclear weapons on its soil. NATO did not want to invade Russia. Ukraine is an independent state whose people do not wish to join Russia.
@@earlgreystoke3324 doesn’t change the attitude of a great power like Russia and it’s interests. Nobody wants to look at it from their perspective. Does the Cuban missile crisis ring a bell? The USSR tried these tactics in 1962 and we said unacceptable.
You can say what you want from your comfortable existence but it doesn’t change reality.
@@tomconservative1074 Russia's "interests" do no override the Ukrainian people's human rights. What if their "interests" were to kill half of the Ukrainians? Their "perspectives" are evil.
@@tomconservative1074 Russia is no longer a "great power". It is a failing state & fallen empire. Why do you apologize for Russian aggression & brutality in Ukraine?
Great to hear honest and unbiased reporting. I don’t think the US media would even be talking about this. Good work! 👍
They sprinkle a little bit here and there so you dont realize they're the same as the rest
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
@@lionprinceashanti7912 Amen!
@@ShewasIwas-biden ¹9p222m2mm2
which is the unbiased part? i didn't get it
I recall that when the US dismembered Serbia around the turn of this century an Indian politician said that in dealing with the United States it is better to have an argument and a nuclear weapon than to have an argument alone.
What the fuck does that mean?
@@mikemacfadyen1972 it's pretty obvious unless you're completely oblivious.
LOL
@@mikemacfadyen1972 Means USA doesn't allow you to say otherwise unless you have Nukes on the table.
Greater Serbia is a myth. Other ethnicities did not want to join their ethnic "club."
Douglass Murray is not saying a few things here. While Ukraine did have around 700 nuclear warheads on its territory it did not have operational control over them. So they were useless as far as Ukraine being able to actually use them. Also, Ukraine blackmailed the US and wanted to be paid to hand the nukes back and it did get paid - the figure I have seen is 400 to 500 million. So it wasn't only security guarantees. And also very little if any of those payments made it to the people, most of it was embezzled by the oligarchs with Ukraine being an extremely corrupt country.
Also, at the end of the Soviet era the USSR has a foreign debt of about 100 billion dollars which was supposed to be spread amongst the former republics based on their size. None of that happened, Russia paid the whole amount with the last payments completed in 2017.
Now to claim that somehow it is all Russia's fault for violating the security treaty is laughable.
With NATO relentlessly pushing eastward, getting closer and closer to Russia's borders, US meddling in Ukraine in the 12014 coup, the establishment of a very hostile to Russia regime in Kiev, the deep infiltration of the Ukrainian military and political circles by Neo-Nazi elements (which the US armed and trained), the NATO-ization of the country being pumped with weapons from the West, the terror that the Kiev regime unleashed on the Russian speaking population in the Donbas region after they refused to recognize the coup in Kiev, the banning of opposition political parties and any language other that Ukrainian, with a constitution being changed to include that Ukraine sees Russia as a military adversary and that NATO membership is a main goal, the refusal to implement the Minsk agreement to which the Kiev regime agreed, is it any wonder that Russia reacted.
And keep in mind that it is not like Putin woke up on Feb 24 and decided that there is nothing better to do but go to war with a neighbor. The warnings from Moscow have been coming for decades, but nobody listened nor paid attention. And now we wonder what happened. Maybe, just maybe we need to look in the mirror first before pointing the finger to the other party.
I think this was not a best planned outcome but the war was expected by those that looked at it and was seen as one of the options. It can be of course that r Nuland etc. did not have it in mind but if so we are doomed because we are ruled by idiots with access to weapons.
How the payment was handled by the government of Ukraine is of little importance. What matters is that Ukraine received security and territorial guarantees, through a memorandum and an agreement signed by Russia, Ukraine, the US and other states and in exchange, it gave up the nuclear arsenal. Russia went back on the agreements it signed and decided to invade Ukraine, occupy its territory (which it recognized as their own) and commit war crimes.
So it is Russia's fault for violating the security agreement. That security agreement did not come with conditions such as not joining NATO, EU or whatever. It was simple, give up the nuclear arsenal and we guarantee your territorial integrity.
"With NATO relentlessly pushing eastward, getting closer and closer to Russia's borders, US meddling in Ukraine in the 12014 coup"
Again this malarkey. Rather than having NATO expanding east, what Russia does is to expand west, getting closer to NATO borders. How does this make sense? As for the US meddling in the Ukraine 'coup', which was more like a popular revolution rather than a coup, with active popular support, this has not been proven to this day.
"the deep infiltration of the Ukrainian military and political circles by Neo-Nazi elements"
Again, false premise. There is a neo-nazi presence in the Azov Battalion, which is a paramilitary organization, but not in the Ukrainian army. Keep in mind that Ukraine has a Jewish president who is descended from Holocaust survivors and has several other Jewish officials in the government. This neo-nazi malarkey is so overblown... the entire Wagner mercenary corpse is composed of neo-nazis in the leadership for example. Yet we do not hear anything about neo-nazis infiltrating the Russian army.
"the NATO-ization of the country being pumped with weapons from the West"
You know this would not have been the case had Russia not invaded Crimea and not provoked the Donbass insurgency, right? Ukraine had a poorly equipped and poorly trained army in 2014, due to years of neglect thanks to pro-Russian administrations. The reason why Ukraine armed itself is because it knew since 2014 that a war will come.
"the terror that the Kiev regime unleashed on the Russian speaking population in the Donbas region"
Again, a false claim. There has never been terror imposed against the people of Donbass. Against the terrorist insurgents? Yes. Against the ordinary people? No. Even the Russian population there that remained outside of terrorist control willingly joined the Ukrainian army to fight against the terrorists.
"with a constitution being changed to include that Ukraine sees Russia as a military adversary"
Geee, I wonder why? If a country occupies your territory and supports a terrorist gang in an insurgent movement, how would you label that country? Your BFF?
"the refusal to implement the Minsk agreement to which the Kiev regime agreed"
It was never agreed. Minsk agreement was not signed nor ratified by any party engaged in the talks, Ukraine, Russia, or the West. The provisions Russia added in the agreement were simply unacceptable, because Ukraine would have been turned into a federation, with little central government control over the federal entities, essentially making it a bigger Bosnia. The Minsk II agreement especially was nothing more than a diplomatic trap and blackmail sponsored by Russia to ensure that Ukraine will never be able to escape its grasp.
"And keep in mind that it is not like Putin woke up on Feb 24 and decided that there is nothing better to do but go to war with a neighbor."
Actually, based on the first few days of how the war was conducted, the decision to go to war was taken spontaneously. The fuckup in Odessa, where Russians dropped its paratroopers 1km away from the beachhead, killing 400+ soldiers in the freezing Black Sea water, the logistical fuckups for their convoys, the lack of careful planning (providing fuel and rations for 3-5 days, expecting a Blitzkrieg), this shows that the decision to invade was not planned in advance and that the purpose of the troops stationed was for intimidation. Putin most likely believed that he could've gotten what he wanted from Ukraine and the West by intimidation. When that failed, he decided to invade, even unprepared.
Canada also trained Ukraine military forces. I wonder if they were among the un - badged security force blocking protesters in Ottawa who had from may reports heavy European accents.
Really? What happened to Lybia/Syria/Iraq/Afganistan/Yemen!?!?!? Are those not a terrible historical precedents? US/Britain body counts still precedes Russian in 21 century BY FAR>
None of those conflicts could have turned into WW3 you cretin
Do you have a study with data about that?
@@contekozlovski I'll give you some numbers. 2500 Civilians were killed in Serbia and Montenegro by NATO bombing. Then, 30.000 got cancer later on from all that uranium US dumped there. US soldiers are the only army on earth that is exampled from prosecution in Hag for war crimes, therefore they are free to do whatever sick shit they want to do. But, their time has come. Karma is a bitch.
I thought the soviets invaded Afghanistan. And Russia were involved in Syria. And if you count how many Russian people were killed under the rule of the soviets, my guess would be that it’s higher. Even conservative estimates are in the tens of millions.
This is the only news clip I've seen so far that mentioned the agreement between US, UK and Russia to defend Ukraine in exchange for giving up its nukes. Somehow this very significant information is being forgotten or ignored.
Why don't you read newspapers ?
And this changed in 2008 when USUKNATO promised Ukraine membership thus positioning Amerikan missile bases five minutes flight time from Moscow. Changing Ukraine from it's non-alliance non nuke status to an aggressive enemy of Russia on it's doorstep.
@@alanhamford2538 : Total fiction. Stop lying.
@@buildmotosykletist1987 From the clown who retorted to _'USUKNATO's plan is to establish Amerikan missile bases along Russia's borders (in Ukraine)'_ was "RUBBISH".'
@@buildmotosykletist1987 You are indeed an ignorant person. USUKNATO's Heads of Govt. Meeting in Bucharest in 2008 PROMISED Ukraine membership once it's governance was compliant. Thus cancelling the non-nuke neutral status of Ukraine.
Iraq? Syria? Lybia? Afghanistan? Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
You got the saying back to front
Keep the war long and drawn out, they need it after Afghanistan. War/Money machine rolls on.
Of course - America would never drop an Atom Bomb on anyone !
Yup we are saddling a nation with a shit ton of debt that is the real atrocity, anything to appease the imf.
Russia has been locked out Master-card and Visa. So Putin just signed up with the Chinese Card payment System.
Who wants that? I doubt his oligarchs will spend their hollidays in China
@@TheHerrUlf No... it is about securing credit for average everyday Russian people. You know to buy things, support your business, manage your income and cash flow ups and downs... Just another win for China, sadly.
Putin zhu or Master Putin had them beaten at every turn its almost comical to watch the west squirm. A few weeks and they will all run to Russia
@@yfelwulf I am Yu.
China will offset western sanctions quite a bit. They've already signed up to buy more Russian wheat.
And these does not count because it was in 20th century:
Violations of international law by the United States: 1947 Greece, 1950-1953 Korea, 1953 Iran, 1961 Cuba, 1964 Brazil, 1964-1983 Bolivia, 1965 Dominican Republic, 1970 Cambodia, 1976 Angola, 1977 El Salvador, 1981 Afghanistan, 1985 Nicaragua , 1998 Sudan, 1999 Serbia, 2001 Afghanistan, 2003 Iraq, Libya 2011, Syria 2011, Gulf War 1991. Have I missed some? Oh, yes, Yemen, Somalia…
You forgot Chile in the early '70s. Well done.
@@bovnycccoperalover3579 Thank you!
And yet they throw stones in the direction of Russia, well you all know that saying. 🙄
The thing about the fact that Ukraine gave up it's nuclear military capabilities in exchange of peace is the fact that Ukraine change it's part of the deal by it's willingness to be a part of nato.
People continue to fail to report the reality of Neutrality. Which was the answer to all of Ukraine's problems.
Not in the EU not part of Russia.
This suited everyone ... except the EU .... or Germany as we Brits call it.
Most worrying time of his life ? Clearly too young to remember Cuba then !
That's probably why he said it mate
I think it’s quite obvious that Douglas Murray hadn’t been born at the time of the Cuban missile crisis.
I know I know !
I was only a baby in the Cuban crisis, but I was in Coventry as a student many years ago when a policeman accidentally set of the air raid sirens at 6:30am which meant it could not be a drill at that time in the morning. I lay there in bed just waiting for the nukes to fall (no mobile phones to say goodbye to friends and relatives in those days…😱)
unlike the Iraq war didn't set a ‘terrible historical precedent'? or Libya? Serbia?
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
They do go on about Ukraine 'giving up' its nuclear arsenal. Two things: one, fire control remained in Moscow. Two: the US was terrified of the useless warheads being sold to the highest bidder, like so many other things in Ukraine have been. Three: the Russian (née Soviet) armed forces were vastly stronger than anything else around and could've walked in and taken them.
1 yes.. for most weapons they couldn't fire independently, 2 definitely, but 3? Wtf Russia in 93 couldn't control their own country much less "walk in" to another and seize anything.
@@jeremiahblake3949 Not only did they "control" their own country, they were out in the 'stans keeping the peace, though they might've withdraw by 93. But 93 was also when they shuttered no-first-use, presumably including tactical nukes on the battlefield. Which is a long way of saying that the US could've done less then than what it's doing in the current Rus/Ukr war.
@@be12 Russia lost control of Chechnya in that time, had ethnic massacres in North ossetia, and had the Tartars acting as a de facto independent state. The state enterprises were divided up and the Supreme Soviet, the elected officials, were literally bombed into submission when they tried to rein in the alcoholic incompetent and corrupt President.
From 91 to 2000 Russia was not a stable state in control of it's own processes, it's laughable to pretend otherwise.
@@jeremiahblake3949 Glad you're entertained, but you're mistaking the source of Russian weakness at the time. You're confusing internal disunity and a nascent civil war in Russia post breakup with how the Russian civilian and military apparatus would have reacted to an existential threat _from the outside_. When discussing counterfactuals the first thing to note is the conviction of the parties concerned. Ukraine was a flashpoint and the weaker party, which is why they wanted security guarantees in the first place. A dust-up there could have led to a reunited Russia with the conviction to wage total war, perhaps nuclear, with no possibility of retaliations from the Ukrainian side. Had that happened, NATO would have stuck to small arms support and meeping as they're doing now, though now they've had eight years to train the neo-Nazis and spread their ideology, expanded NATO infra in Europe, and have Russia fighting with a self-imposed handicap.
So, well, you're right, the Russians couldn't quite have "walked in", but they might have changed facts on the ground.
Thank you Australia!
The double speak is everywhere 🤣
Absolutely, yet so many people choose to see only from one side or another. The old we're the good guys and they're the baddies bullshit .
Nothing is ever that simple and we all know that the first casualty of war is the truth.
How many people watching this understand all the events that finally reached the tipping point for Russia?
Not all, but many.
I'm wondering if Murray does. However it's more likely that he is following the party line and purposely avoiding talking about the history of dirty tricks that the US and EU have been playing. As far as the Salisbury poisoning is concerned, I've never heard such a stupid story. Do a deep dive into that one if you want a good laugh.
Did NATO promise Russia that they wouldn't expand into Eastern Europe? That's what I'm hearing???
@BVale my understanding is of a 'gentleman's agreement between Reagan and Gorbachev, possibly since the USSR is no more NATO🇺🇲 has decided the agreement is no longer valid and proceeded eastward since.
Got to say Rita a woman of colour …. Quite obviously just bloody great at her job
*Didn't Zelensky ask the civilian population to stay and fight?. You reported about it and you though it was an Heroic Idea.*
*Now, who is using them as human shields??.*
He didn't ask them to stay, they were forced to stay. Big difference but the western media left that part out
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
What's the difference between that and the Russians teenage conscripts thinking they're going to an exercise?
@@naotmaa6103 that’s common knowledge, reported by all the western media I’ve seen
Sorry, but your guest has to look the history before Putin as well. Putin would very likely not have come to power had the western side had taken proper actions in 1991 and after.
The nominees should all have to go before a panel ,all receiving the same legal questions and then a decision should be made.
Obama nominated Ukraine for NATO membership too ... How did that turn out for Ukraine.
If you analyse the current leaders in this geographical region and the other world leaders over the last 160 years there havè been constant wars ww2 involved 60 million human deaths .Our leaders are elected to govern in a responsible manner to ensure safety. There are to many leaders in power who do not hold a degree in economics, industry, environmental issues,or even public relations.I speak for the vast population of civilians who do not see wars has having any positive outcomes.We select leaders surpposely to act upun ideals generated by us citizens and they do the opposite. If they need to harm people lock all the politicians in a room together and let them harm themselves.
There *are* very much 2 sides to this Please research the *other* side
Have done. Putin is still a menace.
@@Design_no What is your thoughts on the +100Tons of Food and Medicine delivered to the people of Melitopol ... Guess who delivered that ?
Hint.. it wasn't Australia...lol.
Changes nothing, just like researching the nazis hitler was still a fucking monster and so is putin
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
Watch the documentary ‘Ukraine On Fire’ to understand he events that finally lead to Russia’s incursion into Ukraine.
There was no agreement to defend Ukraine. That would be NATO and Ukraine is not a part of Nato.
Watch the documentary ‘Ukraine On Fire’ to get an insight into the events that lead to this conflict.
“Woman of Color” is such and asinine term. I also hate the reference to “brown” people. It’s always used in such a lazy way.
And yes, to democrats identify politics are easily trumped by party interests.
Lol trumped, a word they hate because of him. He was the greatest president weve had for a long time and then he lost to an idiot later on.......
yep, just imagine the People of Color Panthers.......doesn't quite ring somehow
All part of the 50 year plan of Klaus I'm afraid. It's going like clockwork.
Don't worry, sleepy Joe is on the case.
Douglas Murray loose credibility when he speaks about military and security matters. He is out of his field. Too bad because otherwise what he says is always interesting.
what did he say that was egregious, the lesson learnt if you have nukes your good to go. Hardly controversial
@@davidrenton Agreed. That part of his analysis isn't wrong.
And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you...And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows... Matthew 24
Passage from Matt 24 is irrelevant until war goes nuclear.
@@matthewaislabie7354 the bible is always relevant.
@@mr_indie_fan For the ungodly, who are perishing, the bible can't help you, nothing can help you. However for the elect the bible is a gold mine. I reckon you've got about two years before it gets serious. You'll probably be completely blind until then.
It is quite clear that Rita and Douglas are promoted on merit!
Yes, they're both very smart and sophisticated people.
I think USA set the terrible precedent about in 2003 and 2011
Too much Russian money in Londongrad to deserve Pootin's respect...😰
2:00 "a terrible lesson of the 21st century"
WTF is he talking about?
Is anyone surprised at the overwhelming effectiveness of nuclear deterrents? And at the immense stupidity of giving them up or not pursuing them if you have the capabilities to do so?
clearing he was pointing out we have no chance to persuade the likes of Iran, N Korea to drop their programmes, and for other dodgy countries to follow suit.
@@davidrenton of course not. But this was never in question. There is a good reason China, the USSR, Britain, France, India, Israel, went to great lengths to develop them very early on. They didn't need any "terrible lessons from the 21st century".
I hate what you're saying because you're right. Long-term nuclear deterrence scares me because of the inevitability of mistakes, yet I can't help admitting that the countries that possess them tend to get reduced to rubble by the US a lot less frequently than the others.
You are absolutely right it does set a terrible precedent. The precedent is that any unaligned country either has to become aligned with one side or the other or acquire and maintain enough nuclear weapons to kill both sides if they are attacked. Russia set that when they threatened a nuclear attack on any country that attempted to help ukraine militarily. Now china is threatening the same thing in regards taiwan.
It's almost as if spending three decades talking smack about liberal values while displaying repeated militarily incompetence has consequences for the USA's deterrence. Maybe the real lesson is to cut down on the empty tough talk and moral posturing, and focus on geostrategic reality.
You need to do your own research Rita...its all documented...start with hunter beden
When did Douglas Murray become an expert on the Russia - Ukraine conflict?
Actually i saw Douglas as a clever guy, but his talks about Ukraine just shows his ignorance on the subject, and his western bias shows big time...sad to see.
If you dont appoint people for aptitude & skill, you open up for the question - did that plane crash because the designer was Black or Italian or Jewish - the list is endless
An innocent woman was killed is Salisbury too.
"he has followed through with his threats"
I can only name one man of power who authorized nuclear weapons.
Maybe Bush too if tank shells and armor plating counts as well.
he deployed Polonium-210 in London, that's
1 a Weapon , it was used to kill
2 it's Radioactive.
or are you saying that somehow an operation like that wasn't without the clear authority of Putin, which if so then you are deluded.
@@davidrenton fair point, forgot about polonium poisoning.
@@davidrenton Why are you deluded if you think that? I notice that you provide no evidence, only name-calling.
@@musicalfringe it's pretty much established that Alexander Litvinenko was murdered by FSB agents, in fact we know which ones (Andrey Lugovoy and Dmitry Kovtun), and I'm not even including the separate Salisbury attack.
so in Putin's Russia , do you think the FSB do anything , i.e an attack on foreign soil without the say so of Putin, of course not.
there is a deluge of evidence re this incident, so unless your Jeremy Corbyn it's pretty much an open and shut case.
@@davidrenton I'd love it if you could point me in the direction of some of this evidence. I consider both of those incidents suspicious as hell, so it would be good to be proven wrong.
Kinda makes you wonder how real these Russian poisonings are when the plot is foiled and the victim miraculously survives the most deadly chemical on the planet like it's nothing
Meanwhile, the Ukrainian special police just executed a negotiator, for suspension of being a traitor.
And they are the good guys.
Can you imagine how the western media would report it the kgb showed up at a Russian negotiator's home and shot him dead ?
Or when they don't, like Boris Nemtsov, who was murdered by Putin's thugs.
Spot on as usual.
"THe coalition of the willing" remember
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
Senior or Junior, George Bush that is?
Let me just put it this way for all you saying ukraine is losing: ukraine is david and russia is goliath. All you christians know what happens next.
@@UsernameVincent there killing more russians then they are losing there own soldiers, they have a smaller army yet are taking out a huge one. How Is that a stupid comparison? There capturing many soldiers and stealing weapons and tanks from them. Hell even civilains are driving by tanks that have run out of fuel and hitting them with moltolv cocktails!
@@UsernameVincent david was small but smart and goliath was strong and big but stupid.
@@UsernameVincent do your research on whats going on because ukraine is winning.
@@UsernameVincent also: david killed goliath with a rock.
Ukraine is a corrupt puppet of the west.
Just sign a contract for Ukraine and this travisty ends.but it seems that someone wants this war to continue.so sad
He certainly knows how to flex he's power
Why do you lie mr Murray, you now better. Shameful that you are spouting this S€£$T.
i wish douglas murray were swedish. we need bright people.
Rita you lose all credibility on the other topics you've reported so well on when you peddle this BS about Putin being the big problem with the Ukraine saga!
You need to say: "In my opinion only."
@@andrewelliott4436 No buddy there are plenty of others out there who are aware that we're not getting the full picture of what is really going on with the 'war' in Ukraine from MSM. Sure as hell Rita would have some idea, so why is she talking rubbish.....? This link is interesting, I'm not advocating that it's 100% correct but watch a few different view points and you can start reading between the lines. Cheers th-cam.com/video/vSa_NYy9WaE/w-d-xo.html
The incompetent appointing the incompetent. Isn't that just great. (not)
The incontinent appointing the incompetent.
Ukraine is loosing. The never tells the facts.
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
Douglas you should stick to subjects you know about ,Russian histroy is not one of them obviously.
Thank you
i wonder would happen if he said, hand over ukraine or i will nuke it. what then? and then why stop at ukraine? in fact somebody who is crazy enough to use nukes could just ask any country to be handed over… how would one stop this without risking total annihilation?
You negotiate. That's what you do with nuclear powers with clear grievances. If they renege on those negotiated settlements later, then you have to think again. Since no-one's ever tried step 1 with Russia, though, we'll never know.
Racist = Special treatment.
Wars and interventions are just means to set an agenda. How come you forgot your bright ideas Doug?
It's not a precedent at all, you forgot the NATO wars that destroyed Jugoslavia , Iraq and Lybia. I am Bulgarian and I say Long live Russia and to he'll EU and NATO.
When they stomp down on you maybe you will change your mind, I also suggest you tell some folks in your country who survived the Russian Soviet era how you feel, that way one of them will off you
@@deanfirnatine7814 Dude, you don't know anything about my country. Russia liberated us from the Ottoman empire in 1878, USSR liberated us from the German king and his Nazi government in 1944 without shooting a single shot. In the Soviet era my people had healthcare and education for FREE, the EU and NATO brought to us only poverty and missery. 75% of Bulgarians we support Putin and Russia, learn history, we always swing sides in the middle of wod wars lol. . NATO soldiers are not welcome here, I hope Russia to liberate my country for a third time
Douglas seems to not know some things . . . .
Putin cornered? you are kidding.
Did Joe ‘ bonk ‘ Kamala years ago
Was not Clarence Thomas in the centre of Anita Hill scandal? Was not that the reason of the protests? It seems like somebody is misleading here. We all have seen the circumstances around Kavanaugh and Berret did not seem to have enough experience either and her appointment was extremely rushed. Were they the best people for the job???
The problem with a no fly zone is greater even IF ru would agree to why would it trust teh partys that send weapons to its oposition not just to asist ukraine to destroy any of their assats there.
What would the us have done if china and ru gited their newest Toys to Irak and ISIS when the us run their operations?
This man is very gung ho about war but i can guarantee you he will not go anywhere near the battles personally nor sending his loved ones. Murray did not NATO also promise not to expand eastward?
More accurately, there was a verbal assurance to the USSR that NATO would not move into East Germany when the Berlin Wall came down. It was never a legally binding accord and even if it was, the USSR no longer exists. Furthermore, if Putin wants the votes in Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk to be honored then he should honor the votes held in Poland, Hungary, the Baltics, and others to join NATO after the USSR dissolved.
@@MalfosRanger Ask the Native Americans the White man's word has no value and nor do their treaties.
There wasn't evidence, it was "highly likely". He'll do whatever it takes don't fuk with him
Putin in the corner with nato.
SOO MANY RUSSIAN BOTS
Your comment is a great example as to why this situation escalated to a crisis. You bought into their narrative of Russia being the boogeyman for all these years. Russia got blamed for everything, even things they did not do. It was NATOs excuse to be aggressive and push aggression instead of a diplomatic solution, which could have prevented this whole thing.
I'm a f*cking robot biatchhhhh !!! Now I'm going to take your wife and introduce her to my mechanical mechanism.
@@gigi6374 exactly
@@dicke3421 LOL
At least they have more realistic names than the Chinese wumao's who all seem to have interchangeable first and last names eg "Michael John", "David Alexander", "Luke Henry" and so on, they must all use the same fake English name generator.
Yeah, about that Lybian invasion, let’s talk about that for a moment...
He wanted a woman of colour, and she made sure he had one
Ruthless leader.
Love Murray, what a gent. I don't agree with everything he says - but that's a man that knows how to handle himself. He's one of our best.
I'm sure there were plenty of brilliant black male judges who are even more qualified
Nothing new worlds had wars since humans began it's never gonna change
Listen to how doug speaks. Those who knows :)
#Mongolia #Catalonia
Douglas Murray hombre.
Keith Campbell & Douglas Murray ?
Perhaps I’m late to the party but when did anyone threaten to use nukes. Just asking so I can start digging for a bunker if it is true.
When he announced the invasion, Putin warned of "consequences you have never seen before in your history" for Western countries or NATO if they interfered. They ignored that warning and I'm starting to suspect that they'd quite like a nuclear exchange. Luckily Putin isn't reckless enough to sacrifice his own people for a principle.
For the first time I have to disagree with Douglas . Its not Russians fault.
Ref: 1. th-cam.com/video/JrMiSQAGOS4/w-d-xo.html
2. th-cam.com/video/csEirwFO4-A/w-d-xo.html
For a start, Ukraine never had nuclear weapons. The nuclear weapons in the Ukraine were owned and controlled by Russia. Douglas, we respect your views on culture. But you are way out of your depth here, because you are relying on geopolitical "facts" that are false.
If they never had nuclear weapons, how could they sign a treaty to give them up? Why would they do this if they had no control over them? For fun?
It can can hacked. Does Russia want to risks it being a test ground for a hacked nuclear bomb?
Badger, you don't know wat you are talking about. Never heard about the Budapest Memorandum? The nukes - one of the largest stockpiles on earth - were on Ukrainian territory under Ukrainian control.
@@amarissimus29 Good question. But the fact is those nuclear weapons were owned, controlled and later removed by Russians.
@@gentlemanjim480 Surely, all of the nuclear arsenal in question, regardless of which Soviet republic individual missiles were deployed to, were under the the Soviet central military command and control system?
Technically, at that point, no individual Soviet republic "had" nuclear weapons. Not even Russia.
However, as the political situation deteriorated in the late eighties, Russia, effectively the senior (or hegemonic) partner/republic was the natural home for the command and control system, as well as the place where those weapons were ultimately going to be siloed.
This was just practical, and it had the support of the west because having the system dispersed across the old "empire" (outside of any central control) would have been a worse outcome.
In that sense Ukraine has never been a nuclear power. Nor has Kazakhstan, Latvia, Armenia, or any of the others.
We all need to work and pray so all people on this earth could truly understand that it is much better no to allow ignorance of Jesus' teachings causing a spiritual and moral vacuum giving room to the rise to bloody and power-hungry dictators than to depend on economic sanctions plus a bloody fierce resistance to stop those dictators after a great deal of damage has been done. 🙏 🙏 🙏
The act of aggression may be illegal but making your citizens fight to protect your military is unconscionable.
Is there an energy bunker under #DC?
Moscow? Beijing?
all it does is ensure the boomers are going to get the retirement they truly deserve.
Kentucky Jackson Brown?
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
I ate some cheese earlier. Not on anything just straight off the block.
Blah blah fake news
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY YOU ARE DAVID, MOISES, THE GOD'S SOLDIER, YOU WIN ON PUTIN. 🇺🇦🙏
Zelensky is a fraud.
😀😄😆😅🤣🤣🤣
After one year this is still RUBBISH !!
If a non-nuclear country steps up to the plate with their Air Force to support a NoFly Zone in Ukraine, even Putin could not justify a nuclear response. Leave US and NATO out of this scenario so that this war stays within Ukraine’s borders and remains non-nuclear. Who would Putin aim a nuclear weapon at then. Firing a nuke at Ukraine would result in a high nuclear and public backlash in Russia. If Canada was the first to commit their airforce, would Russia nuke Ottawa, and how would the world, including China, respond then?
Israelistan 🇺🇲 has ganded out Nuclear weapons to countries not legally able to receive them and pkaced Nuclear weapons in the Russian border MASTER PUTIN is reminding them try anything and it will be over quickly with a metropolis killing weapons.
Not enen a nutcase like Trudeau would dare such a foolish thing.
Interesting comment and would like to have read the replies to.it but TH-cam have pulled the father knows best routine and deleted them.
backlash in russia? xD This is so stupid that its genuinely funny. "You can take a million soldiers to invade in other country and even get a half of them injured and a third killed as a result but using nukes is too much"
Yeah that's not why they were invaded. So no it isn't a terrible precedent. I think you all need to do some honest reporting instead of fearmonhering on this. It like Covid all over agian.
Yeah, The Ukraine has been unstable since 1995 when the Ukraine started to curb autonomy in Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea. It all came to a head in 2014 with the election and Coup.
How did it come to a head, well basically because the West decided that Freedom was less important than these two areas being brought under the control of the greater pro-Western Ukraine.
This outrage over the Russian invasion, or even the Chinese invasion of Nepal, is wildly hypocritical considering the long list of Western nations invasions over the last 75 years.
I don't condone Russia's invasion, but is it so different to Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Syria, Kuwait, Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Cuba, Somalia, Korea, Suez, the Falklands, Northern Ireland, and probably a few more?
If Ukraine had nukes Putin would not have invaded!
@@LN-Lifer Or he might have invaded before the nukes got there. It is debatable whether it was the threat of NATO putting nukes in Ukraine that triggered the invasion.
@@TheToledoTrumpton
I agree 💯. That's my argument against the Putin fan boys
@@TheToledoTrumpton
I was referring to the nukes they have up in 1994. If Ukraine had not given them up Putin would not have invaded now
It's worth checking out another view of Biden's selection for SC.
See the latest from Larry Elder and Epoch Times on TH-cam about Wokism on Campus.
Cheers.
Dougie is the man.
Gosh, I wish Rita was our President right now, here in the US!
What? You like the idea of installing an authoritarian government?
@@GordonPavilion If it's Rita, sure thing, I'd like her to be our first US dictator for a year, things would get dandy quick, for all of us and the world. She is brilliant and spot on.