The statement you showed literally has nothing to do with uncountable alephs its just talking about the boundaries in-between dimensions or the dimensions themselves in the cosmology 💀💀💀💀
Say what, in lore we never see doomslayer struggling, hes infininite speed or beyond, his power is infinite bcs it scales with his will power same as his durability and speed. And its said that he will never lose to anyone bcs his power aleays be more than enough to fuck anyone up.
Hell being stated to be blatantly beyond time, space, and infinite dimensions is baseline outer. Considering Hell is an extension of Davoths own power, Doomslayer would pretty much one shot Goku like an ordinary Imp (if we used the current DBS Goku that is) since Doomslayer had the power to contend with & defeat Davoth
Well, even the Maykrs are unbound by space, which would make Urdak baseline outerversal. If they couldn’t see hell fullly, that means that he’ll transcend over them, finally making hell normal outerversal.
Xeno Goku Can use every ability via r>f or expand partner customisation If we include all of his hax that just be over kill As he can just summon beings like mechikabool(can bend reality it self at will) Arale(insane gag power) Zeno(idk but grand priest refers him as omnipotence) Vegeta(on par with Goku power) Super shenron(wishing power with no bounds) True from tokitoki(basically a god god of time Creator of history Controller of fate etc) Or any other characters that exist in sdbh Plus he has multiple layers of immortality via zamasu immortality Being able to bring himself back from the dead Having auto recovery etc
The only real problem is they use tech that uses their life essence or steals others life essence. Goku has a fuck ton of life essence, so much he doesn’t need tech. Yes I realize this is a super watered-down condensed version but essentially that is what it is.
I'd like to suggest a possible 5-7 way brawl of armored figures 😁 A brawl between the following: - Guyver-I (with his Gigantic upgrade) - Kamen Rider - Blue Beetle - Iron Man - Witchblade (Sara or Masane doesn't matter) - one of the VR-Troopers AND - the strongest/powerful of the Power Rangers. I'd add DOOM-Slayer, but he would be over kill 😂
A powerscale on Hellboy would be cool. Can’t really find anyone actually talking about how powerful he really is And I’m not just saying that because of my profile picture, I genuinely think he’s underrated
The one problem with this discussion is that Doomslayer has no feats showing the limits of his strength and power. It's like trying to scale Saitama. We know the feats of his opponents. But was Doomslayer using 10% of his power? 1%? Less than that? Sure, we as players struggle in game, but canonnically, Doomslayer isn't even trying. In the lore, he effortlessly tears through every obstacle placed before him with no difficulty.
Pretty sure that the divinity machine explicitly made sure that he wins literally every obstacle he’s put against. He only went into slumber when he was no longer needed, i.e. no threat present. If Goku and the saiyans pose a threat, divinity machine hack would outline the slayer to be vicarious.
A big problem for Goku was that it was confirmed that Doom Slayer not only matched but also surpassed the absolute power of Davoth which could create and destroy infinite multiverses. Hinting at reality warping powers on a scale that could erase all of possibility, this is why Doom Slayer needs guns because going full power is too easy. Until Goku develops immunity to reality warping (An example: Xeno can't erase Goku.) , Goku is going to have exceptional difficulty staying alive against The Slayer.
Doomslayer safely Gets to 5D The hyperversal stuff is debatable because there are times where they use dimensions and universes as the same thing But Great video Dude
@@S_Scalingdoom guy and super Goku are complex multiversal, manga Goku is possibly low hyperversal,xeno Goku and cc Goku are high hyperversal to possibly low outerversal
My guy doomslayer ain't beating doomsday. Doomsday who has fought darkseid maybe true from and can adapt to anything and comes back stronger during or after the fight.
@@parkerwebb3470 nah i think xeno or cc Goku are scaled on par or higher than true form darkside (if he is scaled to his peak) Also darkseid died only because he completely let his guard down assuming his omega beam should have killed doomsday plus we have no actual proof that whether doomsday killed true form darkside or just an avatar (within the comic itself)
@@Mindhaxorsalthough Majin buu had insane healing factor being able to return from gaseous state doomsday is 'true' immortal not just in terms he really can't be permanently killed i don't think even hakai could do anything to him maybe zeno's erase will work tho
W video, but I feel like you slept on some of doomslayer’s hax that might work on xeno goku, for example, his immortality is slightly different from that of dbh characters, yes he can live forever and he can regenerate like them to, but he also can just come back if he is completely destroyed like if you actually kill him, secondly the doomslayer has durability negation via the unmakyr and crucible, he can also interact with souls seeing as in the classic games he can kill ghosts and he can also kill sprits post ancient gods dlc, with the microwave beam attachment on his plasma rifle he can stun lock enemies and burn them from the inside and his weapons including the ranged ones scale to his AP as he can empower his ranged stuff to scale to his normal self, he can absorb the energy of his foes like how he normally does with argent energy, his stamina is infinite so unless I’m missing something goku can’t nullify his stamina, plus we don’t know if they keysword could withstand blows from the crucible if they were to get into a cool sword fight, he can freeze goku in place (temporarily I think but maybe forever if I’m missing something which I very well might be) in the ice his enemies’ durability and endurance also drop, force field creation with the chaingun, infinite ammo, I could go on and yes I could talk about how he has a bunch of resistances to these things he has himself and more but it would be to much for a comment, but overall good video
@@Schro_well, we know that in gameplay (and in battle mode as well iirc) the slayer has extra lives and the cheats you can get through playing the game that enhance the slayers power are canon, the devs said that in eternal they wanted to make the gameplay feel somewhat closer to the lore to make you feel op fighting demons and one of those ways was via extra lives which the slayer would normally have an infinite amount of, extra lives are basically what that is which is the slayer coming back if he is somehow completely destroyed
@@fpsthecommentator2387 i dont think thats canon to the lore though, they are more just a gameplay mechanic, just like dying is a gameplay mechanic but it isnt canon to the lore
@zapch9547 certain gameplay elements like extra lives are Canon tho, like how berserk and haste and all the power ups are as well as there being literal codex entries about them in game
@@fpsthecommentator2387 I understand berserk and haste (although in my headcanon berserk is just slayer feeling like throwing hands) but since he is canonically indestructable than why would there even be a need for extra lives
The hyperversal and outerversal stuff for doomguy is more dubious. He should really be at an infinite 6d level. Greats vid btw, keep it up dude Also i have a match-up suggestion between john Wick and tyler rake
I literally played both Doom games. The man doesn't do anything more than any other fps protagonist. You guys are literally insane and is why I hate power scalers so much. What a cancerous community
@@YungBZ Some certainly, but "a lot" doubt it Most of them are too busy writing an essay on how doomguy is the best character in video game history and the most powerful and multi-outerversal (despite all of his power he can't bring their dads back from the milk) and how somehow that adds on their previous (dubious) claim of best character
A fight between the two,doomguy isnt just gonna let him powerup and scream..hes just gonna show no mercy and kill Goku on the spot upon seeing him..hes the doom guy
So the Doomslayer can decisively beat both Kratos and Goku.... but "officially" still loses to Master Chief? You probably know what I'm talking about...😒
3:54 Immeasurable Speed just means having enough speed to travel through time via raw speed and we call this Immeasurable because it breaks the speed formula of speed is equal to distance over time and is actually way faster than Infinite Speed and Inaccessible Speed because it allows you to arrive before you even left. in DOOM 2016 The Slayer's Testament VI describe the Doom Slayer a "Time Walker" who can travel through worlds and through time in the Lore.
Out of all fictional opponents in video games and anime, this is probably the most fair matchup against Goku. Doomslayer is really fucking strong when looking at his feats. So imo, this is a 50/50 matchup
@@draco_1876 No Goku is overrated given how almost all power scales eventually compare X character to goku. Doomslayer is still relatively new to the scene of power scaling technically
@@DarthNox66 So you mean Doom 3? That's the only version that seems to be retconned. Cause this Doomslayer is also doomguy, THE doomguy, so he's the one from Doom 1, 2, Doom 64, Doom (2016), Doom Eternal for the timeline
@@draco_1876 Hugo Martin confirmed Doom Slayer empowers his weapons, not only that, Hugo Martin confirms a lot of lore statements never shown in the game itself. You gotta remember DOOM is an FPS game, and there's a lot of things Hugo Martin wanted to implement to the game but cannot due to development issues because of the pandemic.
Hey Chuck I would stay away from Meta outerversal scaling interpretations which have to objective foundation nor any proof behind them. They often take things out of context and use logic fallacies to infuse these false paradigms about a character and his verse. It has been extremely bad and prevalent across the powerscaling community for too many years now influencing people with false teachings. I would reject that stuff for sake of integrity and accuracy.
Honestly these two can pretty much be scaled anywhere and there’s people who’d agree or disagree, though I am gonna ask, does Doomguy have any impressive skill feats/training, I partially wonder because despite everything Goku has, those are still incredibly important parts of the character, so I like it when debates involving him can include that part of him.
He was trained as a space marine. After annihilating three separate demon invasions alone he goes into hell and fights for an unknown amount of time. While in hell, he fought nonstop until he was discovered by the night sentinels. The night sentinels threw him in the coliseum and judged that he was too strong to be wasted in the coliseum. He was then made the first foreign night sentinel and trained in their ways. He became the best night sentinel and led them until Argent D'Nur fell to hell. He then spent billions of years in hell fighting nonstop. From there he's imprisoned in the sarcophagus and the events of DOOM 4 begin. His training isn't that notable, but I would still say his fighting skill and technique are probably quite good. Billions of years of experience fighting would probably teach you how to fight better than any mentor could. I don't think he has any particularly impressive skill feats other than his ability to immediately understand foreign technology and weaponry. There hasn't been any shown skill that he hasn't been proficient in. He's basically succeeded at everything with no apparent difficulty since the start of the series. In terms of his fighting skill, there haven't been much in terms of details. All we really know about his style is that he's extremely aggressive and proficient with both ranged and melee combat. I don't think his skills are lacking compared to Goku, but he probably has fewer techniques and tricks at his disposal.
@@crabhater9373adding to that doomslayer fought in the arena eternal against gladiators and warrior's from different dimensions ( btw quake is cannon)
Doomguy killed GOD OF THE MULTIVERSE with no signs of struggle or sweat while using guns If that doesn't tell you he solos idk what does man (doesn't need any forms too) Like imagine he starts smiling and dropping his guns 💀
Your example would only make sense if the character created it from their own life force. It's silly to think a character who literally created the fundamentals for existence itself wouldn't scale to it.
@@Chuckhe did it over time, not all at once. That's like saying you're city block because you can destroy an entire one for over the course of 5 years. You need to do it at a short amount of time or instantly.
Doomslayer armor is litterally impenetrable not only that but he is manipulating fate by simply existing. Doomslayer wins, multipliers doesn't mean goku wins. And before you ask Doomslayer does have a way to get damage on goku as he also has durability nullification. DOOMSLAYER IS IMMORTAL! and i hate to say it but goku is a one trick pony all he can really do is punch doomslayer and use Kamehameha on him but that wouldn't even work with doomslayers armor, i respect the effort of the scale but jut because goku has multipliers doesn't mean he wins as at the end of the day Doomslayer has shit in his arsenal that goku simply can't deal with.
Doom slayer can kill any demon in fiction you're demon that wants to fight with the great one doom slayer. You will die un first three seconds of the fight (brutally)
Heya Chuck, consider scaling the megami tensei verse. They're some of my favorites and insanely powerful, should make for interesting videos and honestly should be able to pit them vs insanely broken characters like lucifer Morningstar for example.
Scaling has always been stupid ever since dragonball. And it was pretty clear that chuck was scaling off of lore. Who wants to play a game where you one shot everything barefist?
The Khan's and demons can fly to, so can't use flight really as an advantage. And doom slayer has been fighting for eons, so idk who would have more battle iq
As someone who has a strong understanding of how the law of physics and space time works, there's is absolutely zero chance that Doomslayer or Doom guy could ever defeat Goku. It's simply not possible. Goku has the power to literally manipulate space time with ease and has proven this on a number of occasions. Doom guy fights in a realm where these laws do not apply. This is why Doom guy has been able to defeat entities that can manipulate these laws because those entities are not able to utilize their power in a realm that isn't bound or confined by such laws as it doesn't exist there. Even with Doom guy's God armor and his experience in combat against demons and creatures with unmeasurable power, all of those creatures would literally be decimated by Goku in an instant if they were to fight in a realm where space time laws exist. If Doom guy was to fight Goku in such a realm like Earth, he would be destroyed in seconds by an entity as powerful as Goku. This isn't theoretical but factual as Goku has the power to destroy planets and universes through his ability of releasing raw energy, which is something Doom guy cannot do.
Why must every character have Immeasurable speed? Why not inaccessible and irreverent speed instead of overscaling things to Immeasurable all the time?
@@thorshammer7883 Nope immeasurable speed = Movement beyond linear time Irrelevant speed = speed that transcends the concept of speed and defy the concept of distance altogether
Doom Slayer gets stronger every time he kills something and also when he kills demons ammo just pops out of them that's a real ability he has I'm assuming when he punches them something happens with the molecules that just turns their molecules into ammo Doom is confusing
@@Chuck We would need to specify what making something with lifeforce means. Your own physical effort when building the house could be considered lifeforce. We would also need the timeframe, and the exact creation method. Only then we could determine.
Nah, the physical work you put into it would not be the same thing as creating something from your own power. There's no timeframe. The realm is beyond timespace and unlimited by dimensions. No matter what way you try to downplay it, Dark Lord would scale to it because the dimension is part of him.
Goku would probably get tired fighting the Slayer. It’s a guy with infinite stamina vs a guy with impressive stamina. Slayer’s durability will definitely also play into it
@@jearbear750 his stamina is nowhere near the slayer my guy. This man fought for millions of years nonstop without getting tired. Goku gets exhausted fighting for more than a few days. Goku had to eat, Slayer does not. Goku still has mortal weaknesses, Slayer is literally a reincarnation of the guy who created his multiverse.
IMO I think that dbs goku and doom slayer are both high outerversal and goku and doom slayer could tie. I think goku has really good battle IQ so dbs goku would win with extreme difficulty. CC goku is boundless so goku wins there. Yes doom slayer could win against goku depending on how you see it like if you look at the dr slump feats
Goku's one of the weirdest characters to scale. He has the power to delete planets and can shake universes and even the Multiverse, yet he can't breathe in space and would die in the vacuum if he accidently blows up the planet he's on. Like come on Torriyama! Make it make sense😂
You know what all these fictional characters can't beat? The people irl that made them. A person in the real world scales to beyond boundless across all fiction since it's our thoughts and efforts that bring them to life. We can casually create an entire infinite fictional multiverse within our minds. We may not be able to fully comprehend that, but we still made it. We thought them up. We can simply create an event that kills them off.
I have one word to say that makes Doom-Slayer win in a heartbeat. Berserk. it is stated in the lore of the games that if the slayer stopped using his guns and other equipment his fists can kill anything. in lore the slayer is in infinite berserk powerup the whole time. berserk killing all demons in 1 shot including the father (not VEGA if your confused VEGA stole the power and title from Davoth and sealed davoth into the sphere where he stayed till Doom-slayer "freed" him and killed him) and VEGA, Goku stand 0% chance against Doom-Slayer.
I know I asked that already but I was wondering if you'd like to talk about a ygo gx character named Yubel. That character is interesting IMO because ygo is often an under estimated verse while it has some multiversal characters, characters who can cross galaxies in a few hours which makes them at least billions of times ftl. Reality warpers, mind manipulators etc ... Even in the most recent anime there are some crazy feats like multiple galaxies crossed in some hours, planetary stuff, reality warping, pocket dimension, space-time alteration, time travel, possible time paradox immunity, possession, corruption, mind alteration, reality warping + mind alteration (to make people believe reality always worked that way), alteration of laws of physics etc ... Yubel is possibly one of the strongest characters of ygo being multiversal, several octilions of times ftl (enough to cross the observable univers 80 millions of times per second), has tons of hax like extreme resistance to mind manipulation, acausality, conceptual existence, mid godly regen, reality warping (multiversal scale), mind manipulation that bypasses resistance to mind manipulation, soul manipulation, space manipulation, dimensional travel, teleportation (multiversal scale and it works on others as well), immunity to physical attacks, intangibility, pocket dimension creation etc ...
It's basically like all characters vs. DBZ characters. If you take them at face value without any lore implications, they'll probably win unless its against someone who is extremely ridiculous.
Add that slayers armor only can be damaged by wright energy and that he tanks hits that destroys both the body and the soul on a basis (the armored baron).
Yeah doom slayer wins no doubt. Doom slayer scales from 9-14d. He destroyed urdak and Hell which both are infinite dimensions, killed a titan that for just existing warps time and space causing the possibility of a black hole summoning and destroying the universe, and Doom slayer killed the creator of the Infinite Multiverse and every dimension known. Goku's got nothing on him.
@@aymanbouyaya4759 Hes above 8d, which is known as Multiversal. He destroyed Urdak, (9d). When he was fighting Davoth, Doom slayer pretty much destroyed most of hell in the fight. Hell by the way is scaled at outerversal, it is its own entity and being. hell is also a infinite dimension and isnt bound by anything. So if Doom slayer destroyed most of Hell and Hell is infinite Doom slayer scales right under Outerversal, which is Hyperversal(14d). Hell Transends space and time. There is no sense of time in Hell. Not only that, Doom slayer is so powerful he de-stabilizes the cosmos, allowing him to get rid of immortality of anything or anyone he fights. So in context, Doom slayer transends time and Space, he destroyed most of the Infinite Dimension Hell which is Outerversal, he killed Davoth which is the creator of Hell means Davoth is higher than Outerversal, and Doom slayer destroyed Urdak which is above 9d. This is why Doom slayer is scaled between 9d-14d and maybe Outerversal.
@@karolsgaming4507 I'm sorry bro but multiversal should be 4d plus no ? Like the minimum should be 4d , and outerversal is supposed to be beyond infinite dimensions too
@@yoguyslookatmypetlightsabe8211 I am being 100% genuine my guy it’s a very rare occurrence there is a character who can beat the doom slayer, or for that matter even go toe to toe. Goku can go toe to toe but slayer would end the victor
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Hey when you cover sonic the hedgehog
Could yo do Goku vs Doctor strange?
The statement you showed literally has nothing to do with uncountable alephs its just talking about the boundaries in-between dimensions or the dimensions themselves in the cosmology 💀💀💀💀
I think Doomslayer vs Spawn would be a good fight
Have you considered pitting Apocalypse from Marvel Comics against Goku?
Doom slayer only using guns to make it fair for his enemy
The Doom Slayer is a Primeval that can also empower his guns by using the Quad Damage/Onslaught Power Up as stated by Hugo Martin.
Still. But as we all know if he touches something with lethal intent they will basically pop 😂@@MrLim-wq2gn
hes basically on constant berserk mode if talking in a game sense
@@boogrs55 and everything is in constant "Oh fuck" mode
You know he is op when you select how hard it is the easiest I too young to die💀
Waited like 13 hours for this shit, haven’t slept.
And I still somehow missed it by an hour.
One does not simply defeat the slayer
Yeah, with anything less than the Doom Slayer's highest ends Goku wins but the victory is far from simple.
Say what, in lore we never see doomslayer struggling, hes infininite speed or beyond, his power is infinite bcs it scales with his will power same as his durability and speed. And its said that he will never lose to anyone bcs his power aleays be more than enough to fuck anyone up.
Hell being stated to be blatantly beyond time, space, and infinite dimensions is baseline outer. Considering Hell is an extension of Davoths own power, Doomslayer would pretty much one shot Goku like an ordinary Imp (if we used the current DBS Goku that is) since Doomslayer had the power to contend with & defeat Davoth
Well, even the Maykrs are unbound by space, which would make Urdak baseline outerversal. If they couldn’t see hell fullly, that means that he’ll transcend over them, finally making hell normal outerversal.
@juanjoyaborja.3054 being unbound by space and time isn't outerveral. You need to transcend the very concept of space and time, not just be above it.
@@joshuaaboo4767 isn't that just the same thing?
@@joshuaaboo4767 isn't transcending something being above it?
No lmao
Xeno Goku
Can use every ability via r>f or expand partner customisation
If we include all of his hax that just be over kill
As he can just summon beings like mechikabool(can bend reality it self at will)
Arale(insane gag power)
Zeno(idk but grand priest refers him as omnipotence)
Vegeta(on par with Goku power)
Super shenron(wishing power with no bounds)
True from tokitoki(basically a god god of time
Creator of history
Controller of fate etc)
Or any other characters that exist in sdbh
Plus he has multiple layers of immortality via zamasu immortality
Being able to bring himself back from the dead
Having auto recovery etc
The power to match his will given to someone who is literly rage incarnated, i think that explains itself
The only real problem is they use tech that uses their life essence or steals others life essence. Goku has a fuck ton of life essence, so much he doesn’t need tech. Yes I realize this is a super watered-down condensed version but essentially that is what it is.
I'd like to suggest a possible 5-7 way brawl of armored figures 😁 A brawl between the following:
- Guyver-I (with his Gigantic upgrade)
- Kamen Rider
- Blue Beetle
- Iron Man
- Witchblade (Sara or Masane doesn't matter)
- one of the VR-Troopers
AND
- the strongest/powerful of the Power Rangers.
I'd add DOOM-Slayer, but he would be over kill 😂
no no no, Doom guy didn't kill just any god, he killed THE god, the one who created creation.
another Chuck HOOD CLASIC video 🙏
Please make a video on how much powerful Legion is from Marvel Comics.
Goku doesn't even stand a chance here. Doomslayer wins in a *stomp.*
Definitely one HELL of a fight😂😂😂
Imo lowballing both doomsayer would win but in their Normal states Goku win max wank doomsayer def wins great video man
what is the intro music
featherine vs Hajun
Finally, worthy opponents for Handsome Squidward. Maybe if they team up they can beat him.
"Nah, we'd win"
Only Kirby could be a challenge to that monstrosity
Nah, handsome squidward would neg them
Same person 😂@@minichad5456
Shaggy no concept of difs all three with 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
A powerscale on Hellboy would be cool. Can’t really find anyone actually talking about how powerful he really is
And I’m not just saying that because of my profile picture, I genuinely think he’s underrated
Hell boy V Spawn has always been a matchup I'd like to see as op as Spawn is
Cause Hellboy is low universal at best he gets mopped up pretty quickly by this big hitters
@@reallyhimongod that’s still op as hell dude
@@LineproofI see what you did there nice pun
The one problem with this discussion is that Doomslayer has no feats showing the limits of his strength and power. It's like trying to scale Saitama. We know the feats of his opponents. But was Doomslayer using 10% of his power? 1%? Less than that? Sure, we as players struggle in game, but canonnically, Doomslayer isn't even trying. In the lore, he effortlessly tears through every obstacle placed before him with no difficulty.
This perfectly explains my problem.
Pretty sure that the divinity machine explicitly made sure that he wins literally every obstacle he’s put against. He only went into slumber when he was no longer needed, i.e. no threat present. If Goku and the saiyans pose a threat, divinity machine hack would outline the slayer to be vicarious.
That's why we just say he has Immeasurable strength and call it a day
Saitama used full strength against Garou so L comparison
@@astreusastresus198 Saitama used one hand that entire fight while mocking Garou bro was definitely not using full strength
A big problem for Goku was that it was confirmed that Doom Slayer not only matched but also surpassed the absolute power of Davoth which could create and destroy infinite multiverses. Hinting at reality warping powers on a scale that could erase all of possibility, this is why Doom Slayer needs guns because going full power is too easy.
Until Goku develops immunity to reality warping (An example: Xeno can't erase Goku.) , Goku is going to have exceptional difficulty staying alive against The Slayer.
Some random uac trooper: "Heh.....good thing he's on our side"
Doomslayer safely Gets to 5D
The hyperversal stuff is debatable because there are times where they use dimensions and universes as the same thing
But Great video Dude
@@S_Scaling💀
I mean anime Goku is multiversal but everything else he said is cap@@Or-igi_nal_hex
Doom slayer is 7D
@@S_Scalingdoom guy and super Goku are complex multiversal, manga Goku is possibly low hyperversal,xeno Goku and cc Goku are high hyperversal to possibly low outerversal
Doomguy safeley gets to 7d bare minimum. Goku also gets there with some scaling too either way both are above 5D
Finally! Another proper vs discussion featuring Goku from Chuck.
And, it features Doomguy! Lit.
Thanks for watching!
@@Chuck you’re welcome and keep up the good work.
I'll take Doom/Doomslayer content ANYDAY: Thanks, Chuck!
Thanks for watching!
A better matchup for the Doom Slayer would be Doomsday who became the King of Hell from DC.
My guy doomslayer ain't beating doomsday. Doomsday who has fought darkseid maybe true from and can adapt to anything and comes back stronger during or after the fight.
Just to be clear goku killed majin buu, who literally ATE the king of hell.
@@Mindhaxors As a Dragon ball fan, I think it's clear you can't compare Majin Buu to Doomsday
@@parkerwebb3470 nah i think xeno or cc Goku are scaled on par or higher than true form darkside (if he is scaled to his peak)
Also darkseid died only because he completely let his guard down assuming his omega beam should have killed doomsday plus we have no actual proof that whether doomsday killed true form darkside or just an avatar (within the comic itself)
@@Mindhaxorsalthough Majin buu had insane healing factor being able to return from gaseous state doomsday is 'true' immortal not just in terms he really can't be permanently killed i don't think even hakai could do anything to him maybe zeno's erase will work tho
W video, but I feel like you slept on some of doomslayer’s hax that might work on xeno goku, for example, his immortality is slightly different from that of dbh characters, yes he can live forever and he can regenerate like them to, but he also can just come back if he is completely destroyed like if you actually kill him, secondly the doomslayer has durability negation via the unmakyr and crucible, he can also interact with souls seeing as in the classic games he can kill ghosts and he can also kill sprits post ancient gods dlc, with the microwave beam attachment on his plasma rifle he can stun lock enemies and burn them from the inside and his weapons including the ranged ones scale to his AP as he can empower his ranged stuff to scale to his normal self, he can absorb the energy of his foes like how he normally does with argent energy, his stamina is infinite so unless I’m missing something goku can’t nullify his stamina, plus we don’t know if they keysword could withstand blows from the crucible if they were to get into a cool sword fight, he can freeze goku in place (temporarily I think but maybe forever if I’m missing something which I very well might be) in the ice his enemies’ durability and endurance also drop, force field creation with the chaingun, infinite ammo, I could go on and yes I could talk about how he has a bunch of resistances to these things he has himself and more but it would be to much for a comment, but overall good video
Where does it say that slayer can come back if he is destroyed? (genuine question)
@@Schro_well, we know that in gameplay (and in battle mode as well iirc) the slayer has extra lives and the cheats you can get through playing the game that enhance the slayers power are canon, the devs said that in eternal they wanted to make the gameplay feel somewhat closer to the lore to make you feel op fighting demons and one of those ways was via extra lives which the slayer would normally have an infinite amount of, extra lives are basically what that is which is the slayer coming back if he is somehow completely destroyed
@@fpsthecommentator2387 i dont think thats canon to the lore though, they are more just a gameplay mechanic, just like dying is a gameplay mechanic but it isnt canon to the lore
@zapch9547 certain gameplay elements like extra lives are Canon tho, like how berserk and haste and all the power ups are as well as there being literal codex entries about them in game
@@fpsthecommentator2387 I understand berserk and haste (although in my headcanon berserk is just slayer feeling like throwing hands) but since he is canonically indestructable than why would there even be a need for extra lives
The hyperversal and outerversal stuff for doomguy is more dubious. He should really be at an infinite 6d level. Greats vid btw, keep it up dude
Also i have a match-up suggestion between john Wick and tyler rake
Infinite 6D or Infinite 7D is fine Outerversal is contentious hes either 7D or Low Outer.
I literally played both Doom games. The man doesn't do anything more than any other fps protagonist. You guys are literally insane and is why I hate power scalers so much. What a cancerous community
Ive gotta go Slayer basically regardless of the circumstance, good vid.
Thank you!
Of course DoomGuy wins.
40k fanboy vs Doom fanboy who weighs the most
@@me67galaxylife40k bro that’s not even close
@@me67galaxylifethere’s a lot of doom fans who listen to themes in the gym I doubt 40k fans understand the concept of light,sun and grass
@@atomsmasher9279 well by numbers true, but what about individually
@@YungBZ Some certainly, but "a lot" doubt it
Most of them are too busy writing an essay on how doomguy is the best character in video game history and the most powerful and multi-outerversal (despite all of his power he can't bring their dads back from the milk) and how somehow that adds on their previous (dubious) claim of best character
Thanks for another vid Chuck!
You bet!
We are in a odd situation
Doom slayer is unstoppable as long as humanity exists
Doom slayer is the protector of humanity
Still a lovecraft victim
@@dc7981That’s not fair💀
A fight between the two,doomguy isnt just gonna let him powerup and scream..hes just gonna show no mercy and kill Goku on the spot upon seeing him..hes the doom guy
So the Doomslayer can decisively beat both Kratos and Goku.... but "officially" still loses to Master Chief?
You probably know what I'm talking about...😒
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To be fair that before 2016 and old doom was just a shoter
If you go of statements and interpret them to your liking, Kirby is an infinitely powerful being that exists in all dimensions
3:54 Immeasurable Speed just means having enough speed to travel through time via raw speed and we call this Immeasurable because it breaks the speed formula of speed is equal to distance over time and is actually way faster than Infinite Speed and Inaccessible Speed because it allows you to arrive before you even left. in DOOM 2016 The Slayer's Testament VI describe the Doom Slayer a "Time Walker" who can travel through worlds and through time in the Lore.
I like to see your take on Mario vs sonic.
Please do dante vs doomslayer
Dante wins
"JACKPOT!!!"
@xyklose8486 no demon could ever beat Doomslayer.
@Geozone117 brother humans in dmc are 9D as stated by the guides doomslayer is 5D💀
EVERY bring in dmc is conceptually on a higher plain
@@Geozone117 void mundus
Urizen
Mundus(base)
Pluto
Doomslayer has some better stats but he's largely outhaxxed. Loses to Dante with Royal Guard for sure
Chuck chuck, what the hell? Christmas is still a solid ten months away, no need to spoil us like that. Awesome video as always.
Thanks!
Out of all fictional opponents in video games and anime, this is probably the most fair matchup against Goku. Doomslayer is really fucking strong when looking at his feats. So imo, this is a 50/50 matchup
Doomslayer is overrated
@@draco_1876 No Goku is overrated given how almost all power scales eventually compare X character to goku. Doomslayer is still relatively new to the scene of power scaling technically
@@kelmirosue3251 His retconned version
@@DarthNox66 So you mean Doom 3? That's the only version that seems to be retconned. Cause this Doomslayer is also doomguy, THE doomguy, so he's the one from Doom 1, 2, Doom 64, Doom (2016), Doom Eternal for the timeline
@@kelmirosue3251 Where did you got that he is Doomguy
There's a scaling for DOOM, at least high hyper for a single multiverse. If you'd like, I could send it to you.
He’s not tho
He literally used human weapons. Hugo Martin himself admitted the games showcase his power
@@draco_1876 Hugo Martin confirmed Doom Slayer empowers his weapons, not only that, Hugo Martin confirms a lot of lore statements never shown in the game itself. You gotta remember DOOM is an FPS game, and there's a lot of things Hugo Martin wanted to implement to the game but cannot due to development issues because of the pandemic.
Hey Chuck I would stay away from Meta outerversal scaling interpretations which have to objective foundation nor any proof behind them. They often take things out of context and use logic fallacies to infuse these false paradigms about a character and his verse. It has been extremely bad and prevalent across the powerscaling community for too many years now influencing people with false teachings. I would reject that stuff for sake of integrity and accuracy.
Honestly these two can pretty much be scaled anywhere and there’s people who’d agree or disagree, though I am gonna ask, does Doomguy have any impressive skill feats/training, I partially wonder because despite everything Goku has, those are still incredibly important parts of the character, so I like it when debates involving him can include that part of him.
He was the best among the Night Sentinels who protected the king and they would be tasked with fighting demons.
He was trained as a space marine. After annihilating three separate demon invasions alone he goes into hell and fights for an unknown amount of time. While in hell, he fought nonstop until he was discovered by the night sentinels. The night sentinels threw him in the coliseum and judged that he was too strong to be wasted in the coliseum. He was then made the first foreign night sentinel and trained in their ways. He became the best night sentinel and led them until Argent D'Nur fell to hell. He then spent billions of years in hell fighting nonstop. From there he's imprisoned in the sarcophagus and the events of DOOM 4 begin. His training isn't that notable, but I would still say his fighting skill and technique are probably quite good. Billions of years of experience fighting would probably teach you how to fight better than any mentor could. I don't think he has any particularly impressive skill feats other than his ability to immediately understand foreign technology and weaponry. There hasn't been any shown skill that he hasn't been proficient in. He's basically succeeded at everything with no apparent difficulty since the start of the series. In terms of his fighting skill, there haven't been much in terms of details. All we really know about his style is that he's extremely aggressive and proficient with both ranged and melee combat. I don't think his skills are lacking compared to Goku, but he probably has fewer techniques and tricks at his disposal.
I mean idk about training but he's been in hell for billions of years
@@crabhater9373adding to that doomslayer fought in the arena eternal against gladiators and warrior's from different dimensions ( btw quake is cannon)
Doomguy killed GOD OF THE MULTIVERSE with no signs of struggle or sweat while using guns
If that doesn't tell you he solos idk what does man (doesn't need any forms too)
Like imagine he starts smiling and dropping his guns 💀
Doomslayer i feel is downplayed by many people so thank you for doing this
goku farts and doomguy gets hakai'd, non-starter
First of all, if doomslayer can Beat cratos. D god of war I'm a 100% positive he can be goku
Lets be real these guys would go to a restaurant order pizza and noodles while talk about pets and their enemies
ITS CHUCK O CLOCK!!
LOL I always wanted to say that in one of your videos 😂
I see the argument against DS. But if he won, he would absorb Goku's strength making him able to punch through reality and knock out Saitama's writer.
Lmao
A brick layer isnt as strong as the wall he makes.
Why do people think creation equals creator has the same power as what it created?
Your example would only make sense if the character created it from their own life force. It's silly to think a character who literally created the fundamentals for existence itself wouldn't scale to it.
@@Chuckhe did it over time, not all at once. That's like saying you're city block because you can destroy an entire one for over the course of 5 years. You need to do it at a short amount of time or instantly.
Doomslayer armor is litterally impenetrable not only that but he is manipulating fate by simply existing. Doomslayer wins, multipliers doesn't mean goku wins. And before you ask Doomslayer does have a way to get damage on goku as he also has durability nullification. DOOMSLAYER IS IMMORTAL! and i hate to say it but goku is a one trick pony all he can really do is punch doomslayer and use Kamehameha on him but that wouldn't even work with doomslayers armor, i respect the effort of the scale but jut because goku has multipliers doesn't mean he wins as at the end of the day Doomslayer has shit in his arsenal that goku simply can't deal with.
Yeah chuck is gonna get debunked real fast.
Bro you know nothing about Goku.
Why does goku get anime and game lore and feats but Doom guy doesn’t get his comic feats
Doom slayer can kill any demon in fiction you're demon that wants to fight with the great one doom slayer. You will die un first three seconds of the fight (brutally)
The problem is Goku isnt a demon
Heya Chuck, consider scaling the megami tensei verse. They're some of my favorites and insanely powerful, should make for interesting videos and honestly should be able to pit them vs insanely broken characters like lucifer Morningstar for example.
I'd also like to point out Goku having a better battle IQ than Doom Slayer is insane! Man lead entire dimension spaning crusades
Goku isn’t even that smart 💀
@@Meepie_Playz not normal smart no. But he has insane battle iq. Just not doom slayer insane
Neither have crazy IQ feats lol for all we know doomguy just told everyone to shoot demons
@dc7981 my man you clearly don't know either doom slayer or goku. Please don't bother weighing in
Unless you play the game and he dies in 3 hits on hard Doom slayer that is ,scaling has become stupid
Scaling has always been stupid ever since dragonball. And it was pretty clear that chuck was scaling off of lore. Who wants to play a game where you one shot everything barefist?
@@jtdevera1189lore another thing that broken , it all comes down to they want shit to happen lol ,
this video is a goku fan magnet
give them a day and they'll start to flood in
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@@c.5978 how
Bro you are really underrated the doom slayer
I haven’t watched the video but I’m a Goku fanboy
The Khan's and demons can fly to, so can't use flight really as an advantage. And doom slayer has been fighting for eons, so idk who would have more battle iq
As someone who has a strong understanding of how the law of physics and space time works, there's is absolutely zero chance that Doomslayer or Doom guy could ever defeat Goku. It's simply not possible. Goku has the power to literally manipulate space time with ease and has proven this on a number of occasions. Doom guy fights in a realm where these laws do not apply. This is why Doom guy has been able to defeat entities that can manipulate these laws because those entities are not able to utilize their power in a realm that isn't bound or confined by such laws as it doesn't exist there.
Even with Doom guy's God armor and his experience in combat against demons and creatures with unmeasurable power, all of those creatures would literally be decimated by Goku in an instant if they were to fight in a realm where space time laws exist. If Doom guy was to fight Goku in such a realm like Earth, he would be destroyed in seconds by an entity as powerful as Goku. This isn't theoretical but factual as Goku has the power to destroy planets and universes through his ability of releasing raw energy, which is something Doom guy cannot do.
Dope shit chuck, gon listen to this while working.
yoooo new Chuck video , Hype
Thanks for watching!
@@Chuck thanks for making the video
Why must every character have Immeasurable speed? Why not inaccessible and irreverent speed instead of overscaling things to Immeasurable all the time?
Irrelevant> Immeasurable> Inacessible> Infinite
@@Chuck
Wait I isn't Immeasurable speed greater then irrelevant speed?
@@thorshammer7883 Nope
immeasurable speed = Movement beyond linear time
Irrelevant speed = speed that transcends the concept of speed and defy the concept of distance altogether
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Yeah, looking back I see that is the case with Immeasurable speed.
Doomslayer will demolish Goku.
Do people actually debate this
Just dumb, obviously doom guy would win
Doom Slayer gets stronger every time he kills something and also when he kills demons ammo just pops out of them that's a real ability he has I'm assuming when he punches them something happens with the molecules that just turns their molecules into ammo Doom is confusing
Ngl, the gameverse solos the animeverse (gameverse got the motivational chair.)
Doom slayer is in every reality waging war on hell getting stronger with every kill. Does this not mean he is in dbz hell?
you should do a video of the Doom Slayer vs DOOMSDAY The New King of Hell.
you can build a house. you're not house level.
You would be house level if you beat someone who made it through their own lifeforce.
@@Chuck We would need to specify what making something with lifeforce means. Your own physical effort when building the house could be considered lifeforce. We would also need the timeframe, and the exact creation method. Only then we could determine.
Nah, the physical work you put into it would not be the same thing as creating something from your own power. There's no timeframe. The realm is beyond timespace and unlimited by dimensions. No matter what way you try to downplay it, Dark Lord would scale to it because the dimension is part of him.
Goku would probably get tired fighting the Slayer. It’s a guy with infinite stamina vs a guy with impressive stamina. Slayer’s durability will definitely also play into it
Yeah, the stamina is a difficult thing to overcome in this battle, but I think Goku has it with his hacks/abilities.
@@Chuck great battle tho!!!
Bro goku got that stamina too tho, unless he gets critically injured he stays fighting
@@jearbear750 his stamina is nowhere near the slayer my guy. This man fought for millions of years nonstop without getting tired. Goku gets exhausted fighting for more than a few days. Goku had to eat, Slayer does not. Goku still has mortal weaknesses, Slayer is literally a reincarnation of the guy who created his multiverse.
I genuinely don’t think goku stands a chance against doom slayer
IMO I think that dbs goku and doom slayer are both high outerversal and goku and doom slayer could tie. I think goku has really good battle IQ so dbs goku would win with extreme difficulty. CC goku is boundless so goku wins there. Yes doom slayer could win against goku depending on how you see it like if you look at the dr slump feats
Goku vs the antithesis of a god.
Goku's one of the weirdest characters to scale. He has the power to delete planets and can shake universes and even the Multiverse, yet he can't breathe in space and would die in the vacuum if he accidently blows up the planet he's on. Like come on Torriyama! Make it make sense😂
he's drunk half of the time + now he's just getting to old.
@@rickydiscord7671 and he's gone
You know what all these fictional characters can't beat? The people irl that made them. A person in the real world scales to beyond boundless across all fiction since it's our thoughts and efforts that bring them to life. We can casually create an entire infinite fictional multiverse within our minds. We may not be able to fully comprehend that, but we still made it. We thought them up. We can simply create an event that kills them off.
I have one word to say that makes Doom-Slayer win in a heartbeat. Berserk.
it is stated in the lore of the games that if the slayer stopped using his guns and other equipment his fists can kill anything. in lore the slayer is in infinite berserk powerup the whole time. berserk killing all demons in 1 shot including the father (not VEGA if your confused VEGA stole the power and title from Davoth and sealed davoth into the sphere where he stayed till Doom-slayer "freed" him and killed him) and VEGA, Goku stand 0% chance against Doom-Slayer.
I think doom slayer nearly imploded a multiverse from battling
I know I asked that already but I was wondering if you'd like to talk about a ygo gx character named Yubel. That character is interesting IMO because ygo is often an under estimated verse while it has some multiversal characters, characters who can cross galaxies in a few hours which makes them at least billions of times ftl. Reality warpers, mind manipulators etc ...
Even in the most recent anime there are some crazy feats like multiple galaxies crossed in some hours, planetary stuff, reality warping, pocket dimension, space-time alteration, time travel, possible time paradox immunity, possession, corruption, mind alteration, reality warping + mind alteration (to make people believe reality always worked that way), alteration of laws of physics etc ...
Yubel is possibly one of the strongest characters of ygo being multiversal, several octilions of times ftl (enough to cross the observable univers 80 millions of times per second), has tons of hax like extreme resistance to mind manipulation, acausality, conceptual existence, mid godly regen, reality warping (multiversal scale), mind manipulation that bypasses resistance to mind manipulation, soul manipulation, space manipulation, dimensional travel, teleportation (multiversal scale and it works on others as well), immunity to physical attacks, intangibility, pocket dimension creation etc ...
Consider trying megami tensei scaling. Those guys are nuts
It's stated in the lore if he has the WILL he WILL win
goku can't beat doom slayer cuz doom slayer in hyperversial level that means goku in ultra instinct will be nothing to doom slayer
Doomslayer defeated davoth and after he beat em he wasnt even tired in anyway
I agree, not even remotely close. haha.
Fym 1 million hair styles he has 2 edit 4
Too angry to die.
It's basically like all characters vs. DBZ characters. If you take them at face value without any lore implications, they'll probably win unless its against someone who is extremely ridiculous.
aight ... doom knight is said to be the strongest version of doomslayer if im right so how about it when the dark ages get released
Add that slayers armor only can be damaged by wright energy and that he tanks hits that destroys both the body and the soul on a basis (the armored baron).
"The godly Saiyan with a million hairstyles" 🤣 Not wrong.
There is no world goku wins
Yeah doom slayer wins no doubt. Doom slayer scales from 9-14d. He destroyed urdak and Hell which both are infinite dimensions, killed a titan that for just existing warps time and space causing the possibility of a black hole summoning and destroying the universe, and Doom slayer killed the creator of the Infinite Multiverse and every dimension known. Goku's got nothing on him.
How is he 9-14d ?
Like sure killing davoth should scale him to multiversal but how is he 9-14d ?
@@aymanbouyaya4759 Hes above 8d, which is known as Multiversal. He destroyed Urdak, (9d). When he was fighting Davoth, Doom slayer pretty much destroyed most of hell in the fight. Hell by the way is scaled at outerversal, it is its own entity and being. hell is also a infinite dimension and isnt bound by anything. So if Doom slayer destroyed most of Hell and Hell is infinite Doom slayer scales right under Outerversal, which is Hyperversal(14d). Hell Transends space and time. There is no sense of time in Hell. Not only that, Doom slayer is so powerful he de-stabilizes the cosmos, allowing him to get rid of immortality of anything or anyone he fights. So in context, Doom slayer transends time and Space, he destroyed most of the Infinite Dimension Hell which is Outerversal, he killed Davoth which is the creator of Hell means Davoth is higher than Outerversal, and Doom slayer destroyed Urdak which is above 9d. This is why Doom slayer is scaled between 9d-14d and maybe Outerversal.
@@karolsgaming4507 I'm sorry bro but multiversal should be 4d plus no ?
Like the minimum should be 4d , and outerversal is supposed to be beyond infinite dimensions too
@@aymanbouyaya4759 Oh you were talking about just multiversal. Just for killing davoth hes scaled 9d (complex multiversal) and above.
Hey Chuck can you do a matchup for The Doom Slayer vs DOOMSDAY The New King of Hell.
Doomsayer claps one shots blitzes regardless
Hes a krillin victim
You haven't read the lore well
Did you say battle iq
Bro said kaioken x100 on true ultra instinct 😂
It's possible and crazy 😂
Doom slayer solos lil bro
If we talking super goku, then yes probably a high-extreme high diff for doom slayer. But xeno goku wins easily
@@yoguyslookatmypetlightsabe8211 no kind of Goku ever wins 🗿
@@ssilent8202 let me guess, you’re rage baiting.
@@yoguyslookatmypetlightsabe8211 I am being 100% genuine my guy it’s a very rare occurrence there is a character who can beat the doom slayer, or for that matter even go toe to toe. Goku can go toe to toe but slayer would end the victor
@@ssilent8202 yes. Super goku would lose, but xeno or cc goku would demolish it’s not even funny😭✋