How Did Non-Elite Southerners Survive (and Thrive)?
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- Fewer than 5 percent of white Southerners owned slaves, yet they all had a not entirely undeserved reputation for being lazier than their Northern counterparts. How did white non-slaveholders get by without working too hard? The answer stems from the Celtic heritage shared by many Southerners, who continued those traditions, such as open-range herding, in the colonial and antebellum Southern frontiers. Featured excerpts:
Grady McWhiney, “Cracker Culture: Celtic Ways in the Old South"
Frank L. Owsley, “Plain Folk of the Old South" #antebellum #history #earlyamerican #celticculture #south
Intriguing concept that the fringe celtic tribal lifestyle was perpetuated by way of the south and will be forever immortalized, by the migrations of those people out west when yankee tyranny became intolerable during occupation, in the image of the western cowboy.
The heat and humidity in the south before the advent of air conditioning could break a good man. I'm from the south and wonder how it was settled at all.
Holy crap. This makes way more sense than I think it should.
Northerners simply don't understand that we were from "rebel stock" long before the age of the confederacy. That, plus the heat of the South, tended to set us apart in ways the proper North could never understand. Thanks again for another interesting video.
Indeed, the "rebel stock" dated to long before colonists arrived in America. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for the kind words.
@@LoftisforTreasurer No. I am a Southerner and there is no such thing as rebel stock. The South was the most loyal region of the country during the Revolutionary War and Southern leaders in thr Civil War would not shut up about how they were the heirs of the Cavaliers, you know, the loyalist faction in the English Civil War.
@@gabrielbass7277 I understand your thoughtful comment but I will cling to my understanding of South Carolina's history..
It is difficult to accurately gauge the loyalist support in SC, however, most historians placed it between 20 and 40%. Much of that loyalist support came from the upcountry folks rebelling against the possibility of rule by the "SC planter/plantation coastal class." It is clear that much of their loyalist support was not out of love for the King, but was that "rebel spirit" directed against the upper class...something that can be seen as alive and well today.
With reference to the American Civil War, that act of Southern rebellion against the nation speaks for itself. (and may I add I am glad I was not involved in any of either periods of unpleasantness).
I hope my knowledge of history has not become outdated as it has been a while since I've brushed up on it...though I have recently read some of Thomas Sowell's work on the history of and the predisposition of Southern Blacks and Whites. I found it fascinating.
Do you think we didn’t have rebellions in the north? Oh, but the heat you cry. You know nothing of winters so cold you lose your nose. You soft types freak out at a little snow. Meanwhile up here it gets hotter than down south, you at least are cooled by the gulf
rebel stock being that of lower intelligence, lower economic potential, higher alcoholism, higher incest, and all around hedonism
Im not knocking the lifestyle those people had, it was simple and basic but comfortable and didn't require a lot of effort to get by. But my impression is that there was little upward mobility in the south, compared to the wealthy northern states. An ambitious young southern man who wanted to make his fortune, usually went north.
Your probably right but I bet timing had a lot to do with it as well, if you started worked land in the Mississippi territory in 1800 and kept growing your herd I bet your family was doing pretty well by the 1820s.
That's true; there was very little in the way of upward mobility. One of the reasons Andrew Jackson became a lawyer was that that was one of the few routes open to anyone with ambition.
Funny how things come around with the Northerners coming South now!
It’s the heat. After the crops were planted in spring and early summer the plantations didn’t do much better July and harvest time. I have even heard stories about my great uncles in the mid 20th century getting up early to do farm work, rest a few hours midday on the front porch and finishing up the chores in the afternoon.
It’s interesting even right now in Latin American culture that people are not in a rush to do stuff because they consider the relationship with the person right in front of them more important.
Si inyeresting
Thomas Jefferson wrote about the Northern / Southern ways
When Northerners talked of the Southern ways they were talking of the Leaders of the south. The Slave Owners and dealers in flesh.
The rest were very poor, because slavery does that. It makes society very rich and the majority very poor.
But they are also very Hierarchal, you can see this even today.
This meant alot to poor white antebellum people. You can easily guess why...
There you go... 😂😂😂
That's very true I think. Slavery strongly delayed the development of a strong middle class in the old south.
Whip Worms were also prevalent in the south before the coming of modern plumbing, a lot of people were sick.
The old southern way of life would be the envy of many modern men, if they knew this beautiful regions history.
Hundreds of thousands of acres of uncleared forest, abundant pastured meat from animals that got to roam unfenced, organic sweet potatoes and other vegetables, only working when it was really necessary -- all things we hear people wishing for today.
Which modern man? For a couple of groups that would be a Hell No for sure... everybody thinks they'd have the life, while in reality only a few did.
If you were black, you were worked to death by many an overseer.
@@antebellumetc Oh, and how about the Sand hillers, the Clay eaters with that clay paller how about the Native Americans??
Even during ww1 conscription, Northern Blacks scored better in tests then Southern Whites....a fact that was hidden from the general public for years.
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I love the thumbnail! 😂
Bro, the cattle farmers of the pre war American south were not participants in any legacy culture from the celtic bronze age. That is complete and utter dribbling insanity.
Thanks for that rigorous rebuttal. I love how you back up your claims with evidence instead of just shooting off like a brain-dead moron -- oh wait.
@@antebellumetcThe vast majority of immigrants to the South were English, lowland Scots, and Ulster Scots, with only a few Irish, and the occasional Frenchman. The South was not as quickly or easily pacified as the Northeast and the Midwest, and the climate and soil did not contribute to a farming lifestyle, except in a few river valleys. Those who were not lucky enough to get prime land had to go farther into the wilderness, and scratch out a living from the thin soil as best they could, among the bears, cougars, and natives, in an endless primeval forest that was so thick that it was often as dark as night in the middle of the day under the canopy. It's really a miracle that anybody managed to survive here at all. And if you want to retain any semblance of credibility, you might want to quote more sources than just one guy who obviously had a bias, and maybe try to keep your retorts against your critics above middle school level.
@@slappy8941 The Beverly Hillbillies actually had it pretty good before they struck oil. If you doubt that, just walk into any grocery store in modern day America and look at the prices. The Clampetts were able to grow and gather their own food, brew their own "recipes", and make their own medicines. They weren't living on the edge of starvation.