@@TheMythkeeper Looking forward to them! Also when can we expect a video touching on the Darvakka? I would imagine for a video on the denizens of the Shadow Plane
Let us not forget that one time Desna nearly started an all out Planar War because she was a bit pissy one of the mortal priests was, well, I'd say tortured but that wouldn't do justice to what the demons of the Abyss did to him. And the Azatas were all 'YEAH, WAR!'. Desna and the Azatas may be tranquil and peaceful, but they are Chaotic, never forget that. Yet one more reason why Sarenrae is my favorite Goddess, as she was the only one capable of calming Desna down.
Man, its always a great day when MythKeeper uploads for sure. I have to tell you that all of these Azatas have really inspired me and is giving me so many new ideas as a GM. Have a splendorous day everyone! Thanks for the vid.
23:07 As a person who had his baby become miscarried, the last few seconds really brought on a lot of introspection on a fictional goddess. I'm not exactly sad... I guess I need some time to process the thoughts.
I am repeating my wish to see the Concordance of Rivals for Proteans, Aeons, and Paychopomps. Looks like you've already got it in the pipeline. Eagerly awaiting the next video!
Oh yeah, do the ushers! My longest running Pathfinder character was a close ally of Barzahk the Passage, the psychopomp usher of the Dead Roads. Love that crow guy.
Given this is the last chapter in your series about Empyreal Lords, I'd be sad if not for your reassurances that you have plenty more planar content coming. I always enjoy your deep dives into the imaginative and fantastical. Since you asked for opinions, I'm particularly looking forward to hearing about Qlippoths since the little I know makes it sound like their story is original to Pathfinder as opposed to having obvious analogies in other IPs.
Loving your Religion guide, as someone new to pathfinder and a lover of lore you give some damn good explanations and content to the world. I would love to see something on the Qlippoth, I have heard interesting things about them and I would love to learn more about the abyss after seeing your demons video.
Actually, overall, I prefer the Agathians. ... The thing that troubbled me about the Archons, is that some of their philosopys didn't seem to fit what I think of as "lawfull." ... If anything, I was worried the Azatas would have the opposite problem, but I havn't anilised them enough to have a strong opinion on if Azatas are "chaotic enough."
Wonderful video. I’m so glad to have this, especially for one my my (multitudinous) homebrew worlds where the Empyreal Lords are the main pantheons. Also, Payhfinder lore is so Rich’s be deep that it’s always a pleasure to learn more. I would love to see a video on the Psychopomp Demigods, but even more I’d like to request a video on the Celestials native to the material plane: the Garuda, the the Couatls, the Peri, Kirin (some of those may only be Celestials in DND), etc. And maybe a video on the Native Fiends like Rakshasas and Oni.
Psychopomps, Proteans, Aeons & Inevitables are on there way. Rakshasas, Onis, Demodands, Sakhils and Kytons (Fiends that don't reside in the Outer Sphere) will get there own series. No plans yet for the other native celestials, but I may do a catch-all, maybe? We'll see.
Here's what I need from this series. I need the edicts, anathimas, and allingments of all the Gods, so I can make an informed choice of deity for my religous characters.
I said in my other comments, but Remaster will drop alignments and I'm so ready for it. Forget alignments (edicts & anathemas, I agree quite useful) but figure out what the gods about and don't worry so much about which plane they live on or what the rules say about their alignment. Do they fit the character? If yes - go for it!
My vote for outsiders and demigods are the Qlippoth. The channel Esoterica has a video on their role in Kabbalah if you want to include some background on their real-world inspiration.
The most fun I've had playing any kind of PnP RPG campaign was playing a Fetchling - Bard Dervish Dancer follower of Ashava. Yes I know this archetype is technically connected to Sarenrae, but it just fits really well with Ashava aswell. And if you ask your GM kindly he might allow you to use a Bladed Scraf instead of a Scimitar for some awesome fantasy like House of Flying Daggers (Echo Game Scene), and I'm thinking of another movie where the girl accually fights with with her scarves too but can't remember the name.
Lore videos on the organisations of Golarion beyond national governments and kingdoms is thin on the ground. Not just the Pathfinder society, there’s a host of strange organisations that really need clear explanation.
I've actually just finished recording the audio on my first faction feature, which will be on the Firebrands. If people enjoy it I will do more - PFS, Aspis Consortium, Hellknights and many more I'm sure.
Hellknights in a nutshell: pointy armor and alignments ranging from lawful lawful to lawful awful. But the Order of the Godclaw? That’s what’s really interesting. At face value, they follow just another pantheon, but the included deities are not represented as many outside the order would recognize. In fact, the relationship between the followers and the gods is almost reversed. Yes, the Godclaw does still have an ideology the followers should strive to embody, but that ideology is modeled on the Hellknights, with the different gods being almost rewritten to fit the narrative. Even visually, the gods are depicted in the likeness of Hellknights, rather than Hellknights adopting visual cues of their gods. And somehow, it works. The faithful can call upon the divine powers of the Godclaw as easily as followers of any other deity can call upon their own gods. So what’s the deal? Is it that the Order gets close enough, often enough, with a broad enough grouping of gods, that at least one of them is likely to care at any given time? Are some of the deities willing to accept the stray prayers of the group, without caring to correct anyone? Does that worship/responsibility get split between each of the member gods or do they take turns? The wiki suggests it could be the power of belief… but if belief alone gets the job done, without any actual need for the divine backing, then there wouldn’t have been any need for an Inheritor, would there? The grouping of the selected gods is already interesting enough, but there’s even more going on here.
@@Dyre_Wolf There are a few named Pantheons in Pathfinder, and Godclaw is one of them. My assumption is that the gods are not so jealous of each other that if a person happens to pray to multiple deities they won't deny them power. If part of a formal trinity, they may offer them less power than they would a straight worshiper would get - but if you multiply that by 3 maybe it all nets out the same.
I feel I should probably point out the Carnonose is actually a God from Celtic mythology. Of course, since most people know very little about the Celtic gods or myths, that's pretty much all I know about him. Although, I suppose it may be possible that, much like the giant pantheon who draws on some aspects of Norse mythology and the outer gods who take inspiration from H.P. Lovecraft, certain deities or characters on Galareon may take inspiration from one or several deities from mythology. Different name perhaps, maybe even a somewhat different appearance, but if you look hard enough you may find some similarities.
I dont know if you've already mentioned´it (I'm fairly new to your channel, and have a lot to catch up on), but when you do make your video on Absalom, will you touch upon Shadow Absolom as well?
Honestly, probably not in very much detail. Absalom has a vast amount of detail, and that will probably wind up being a very long video even without Shadow Absalom. I do discuss Shadow Absalom a little in my Inner Sphere Part 2 guide, which discusses the Shadowplane and the First World.
I think I had to switch to a different mic for the filmed portion because I was getting feedback. I tried to fix in post a little but obviously didn’t work.
I find it intresting that the names given to the patitioners of Heaven and Elysium are synonyms, yet the patitioners of Narvana don't follow that trend. ... Seems like there is some overlap with the Agathians, but that's okay.
It seems like an error, doesn't it? I feel like the petitioners of Niravana should be called "the Pure" suggesting something innate in them rather than something that has occurred to them. But maybe that's the point, isn't it? Nirvana requires more introspection and work to achieve the right level of balance.
@@TheMythkeeperIf we rename "The Clensed" to "The Pure," we should also rename "The Hunted" to "A-Bad-(on) Guys." edit: more serious name,"The Sinfull," or "The Wicked," or "The corrupt," or "The Malliine."
@@TheMythkeeper Actually, my point was how simmular the tems "elect," and "chosen," are. Does not being "Elect," just mean you were "Chosen" through the prosess of democracy? ... Then again, considering the chosen do like to rollplay have governemnt titles, maybe this makes sense. ... But perhalps the Chosen have "*chosen* their own path?" Or their braging about being "chosen by God/prophacy." Honestly, either explaintion would work for chaotic good beings. (The former exemplifying their freedom-mindedness, and the latter exemplifying their capricious nature.)
I am not a fan of this creation. What is an Azata? They don't have a similar shape or a single characteristic physical feature. They sometimes simply look like humans, elves, ents, animals, angels, plants. Are they just chaotic good outsiders? Simply Chaotic Good elementals? Thematically, they are similar to fairies and angels, with nothing that makes Azata particularly stand out from the other two. It's not demon or devil where there's already lore behind them. Plus, devils, demons, psychopomps, aeons have somewhat distinctie thematic visuals within each grouping. They made an outsider grouping out of whole cloth, and it's neither cohesive nor unique/distinctive enough, visually or otherwise. It's probably why they don't feature prominently. Proteans and inevitables are better creations. Daemons are somewhat interesting.
Wow. There are a lot of goddesses and female empyreal lords in Pathfinder. Like about 90% of them. Granted that the overgoddes of Pathfinder setting is a woman. Still feels like a feminist power-fantasy. Video is good, though. It's the source material that is weird.
Few thoughts - 1.) Some gender balance seems to depend on the outsider type. If you look at my Devils video you'll see that apart from the 4 Queens of the Night (only 4) the other 50+ of them (archdevils, dukes of hell, malebranche etc...) are pretty much all male. 2.) Paizo is not trying to create a feminist power-fantasy, they're trying to create a setting that will appeal equally to male and female players, so that means making a concerted effort to include important female characters - maybe more than have historically appeared on our world. 3.) Even despite this effort, there are plenty of places where you'll see more male characters than female characters. For example of the "powerful spellcasters of the world" - Nex, Geb, Tar-Baphon, Jaatembe and Hao Jin, only a single one (Hao Jin) is female. Two I guess if you include Baba Yaga, though its not clear if she is mortal or some other kind of entity. Anyway! My point is if you look for things to be upset by, you will find them. But if you recognize that the game is being built for many players (not just yourself) you'll realize you can focus your adventures in whatever parts of the world resonate with you and not focus on the parts that don't ring true for you.
Lets be honest 90% of the Azata are just reskin fae and bunch of human bards i find pathfinder being very lazy when creating the azata to be honest they could just create more good fae instead of this it would be better as a fae extension reather then this lazy excuse to fae themed angles.
I would love to hear about the Aeons next they are a fascinating kind of beings
Psychopomps -> Proteans -> Aeons is I think the order I'm looking at for the more neutal outsiders
@@TheMythkeeper Looking forward to them!
Also when can we expect a video touching on the Darvakka? I would imagine for a video on the denizens of the Shadow Plane
I am playing as an Azata in the Wrath of the Righteous cRPG, so this new lore video came just in time!
Awesome! I love a bit of kismet
Me too
Let us not forget that one time Desna nearly started an all out Planar War because she was a bit pissy one of the mortal priests was, well, I'd say tortured but that wouldn't do justice to what the demons of the Abyss did to him. And the Azatas were all 'YEAH, WAR!'. Desna and the Azatas may be tranquil and peaceful, but they are Chaotic, never forget that.
Yet one more reason why Sarenrae is my favorite Goddess, as she was the only one capable of calming Desna down.
Gorum probably smiled like a lunatic the entire time, thinking something like: "Now they know why I made my divine realm HERE!"
RIP armor bro 😢
Man, its always a great day when MythKeeper uploads for sure. I have to tell you that all of these Azatas have really inspired me and is giving me so many new ideas as a GM. Have a splendorous day everyone! Thanks for the vid.
23:07 As a person who had his baby become miscarried, the last few seconds really brought on a lot of introspection on a fictional goddess. I'm not exactly sad... I guess I need some time to process the thoughts.
Hell yeah. That's what I waiting for. I'm currently going through Kingmaker but in Wrath of Righteous I'm sure to end up as azata.
Rock on!
I am repeating my wish to see the Concordance of Rivals for Proteans, Aeons, and Paychopomps.
Looks like you've already got it in the pipeline. Eagerly awaiting the next video!
Always a good day when I see these uploads.
Glad to hear it
impressive work of investigation, thanks!
Oh yeah, do the ushers! My longest running Pathfinder character was a close ally of Barzahk the Passage, the psychopomp usher of the Dead Roads. Love that crow guy.
Barzahk is coming ;-) Love that crow guy too!
I really do love the ways Azatas and "chaotic good" are portrayed in pathfinder (both the tabletop and the computer games
Me too!
Given this is the last chapter in your series about Empyreal Lords, I'd be sad if not for your reassurances that you have plenty more planar content coming. I always enjoy your deep dives into the imaginative and fantastical. Since you asked for opinions, I'm particularly looking forward to hearing about Qlippoths since the little I know makes it sound like their story is original to Pathfinder as opposed to having obvious analogies in other IPs.
You're in luck! Qlippoths are in my next religion video!
@@TheMythkeeper It's nice how life works out like that sometimes :) Something to anticipate then!
Loving your Religion guide, as someone new to pathfinder and a lover of lore you give some damn good explanations and content to the world. I would love to see something on the Qlippoth, I have heard interesting things about them and I would love to learn more about the abyss after seeing your demons video.
Qlippoths are in my next religion video (already up in fact for my MythWatchers Club members)
There are certainly some azata I agree with more than others; but they all sound really fun to hang out with!
I had a feeling from that first Angel video that the Azatas were going to be the gang you most vibed with. I am fond of the Agathions myself ;-)
Actually, overall, I prefer the Agathians.
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The thing that troubbled me about the Archons, is that some of their philosopys didn't seem to fit what I think of as "lawfull."
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If anything, I was worried the Azatas would have the opposite problem, but I havn't anilised them enough to have a strong opinion on if Azatas are "chaotic enough."
Wonderful video. I’m so glad to have this, especially for one my my (multitudinous) homebrew worlds where the Empyreal Lords are the main pantheons. Also, Payhfinder lore is so Rich’s be deep that it’s always a pleasure to learn more.
I would love to see a video on the Psychopomp Demigods, but even more I’d like to request a video on the Celestials native to the material plane: the Garuda, the the Couatls, the Peri, Kirin (some of those may only be Celestials in DND), etc. And maybe a video on the Native Fiends like Rakshasas and Oni.
Psychopomps, Proteans, Aeons & Inevitables are on there way. Rakshasas, Onis, Demodands, Sakhils and Kytons (Fiends that don't reside in the Outer Sphere) will get there own series. No plans yet for the other native celestials, but I may do a catch-all, maybe? We'll see.
If you’re willing to put in the work to do a catch-all, I would love it.
👏👏👏New videos !
Here's what I need from this series. I need the edicts, anathimas, and allingments of all the Gods, so I can make an informed choice of deity for my religous characters.
I said in my other comments, but Remaster will drop alignments and I'm so ready for it. Forget alignments (edicts & anathemas, I agree quite useful) but figure out what the gods about and don't worry so much about which plane they live on or what the rules say about their alignment. Do they fit the character? If yes - go for it!
@@TheMythkeeper
I don't care. I need to know a deity's allignment to make an informed decition for my divinely inspired characters.
My vote for outsiders and demigods are the Qlippoth. The channel Esoterica has a video on their role in Kabbalah if you want to include some background on their real-world inspiration.
That is the next religion video and it’s already available to my Mythwatchers club members ;-)
The most fun I've had playing any kind of PnP RPG campaign was playing a Fetchling - Bard Dervish Dancer follower of Ashava. Yes I know this archetype is technically connected to Sarenrae, but it just fits really well with Ashava aswell. And if you ask your GM kindly he might allow you to use a Bladed Scraf instead of a Scimitar for some awesome fantasy like House of Flying Daggers (Echo Game Scene), and I'm thinking of another movie where the girl accually fights with with her scarves too but can't remember the name.
That sounds like a pretty rad character concept, I have to say!
Would love to hear about the Velstrocs. These are the devils that pursue pain for enlightenment. They used to be the kytons before escaping Hell
They're very near. They're already up in fact for my Mythwatchers Club viewers ;-)
I hope you'll do the Tian Xia Pantheon soon.
A whole bunch of Tian Xia content will come at you in early '24 when the new book comes out
Lore videos on the organisations of Golarion beyond national governments and kingdoms is thin on the ground. Not just the Pathfinder society, there’s a host of strange organisations that really need clear explanation.
I've actually just finished recording the audio on my first faction feature, which will be on the Firebrands. If people enjoy it I will do more - PFS, Aspis Consortium, Hellknights and many more I'm sure.
Hellknights in a nutshell: pointy armor and alignments ranging from lawful lawful to lawful awful.
But the Order of the Godclaw? That’s what’s really interesting. At face value, they follow just another pantheon, but the included deities are not represented as many outside the order would recognize. In fact, the relationship between the followers and the gods is almost reversed.
Yes, the Godclaw does still have an ideology the followers should strive to embody, but that ideology is modeled on the Hellknights, with the different gods being almost rewritten to fit the narrative. Even visually, the gods are depicted in the likeness of Hellknights, rather than Hellknights adopting visual cues of their gods.
And somehow, it works. The faithful can call upon the divine powers of the Godclaw as easily as followers of any other deity can call upon their own gods.
So what’s the deal? Is it that the Order gets close enough, often enough, with a broad enough grouping of gods, that at least one of them is likely to care at any given time? Are some of the deities willing to accept the stray prayers of the group, without caring to correct anyone? Does that worship/responsibility get split between each of the member gods or do they take turns? The wiki suggests it could be the power of belief… but if belief alone gets the job done, without any actual need for the divine backing, then there wouldn’t have been any need for an Inheritor, would there?
The grouping of the selected gods is already interesting enough, but there’s even more going on here.
@@Dyre_Wolf There are a few named Pantheons in Pathfinder, and Godclaw is one of them. My assumption is that the gods are not so jealous of each other that if a person happens to pray to multiple deities they won't deny them power. If part of a formal trinity, they may offer them less power than they would a straight worshiper would get - but if you multiply that by 3 maybe it all nets out the same.
I feel I should probably point out the Carnonose is actually a God from Celtic mythology. Of course, since most people know very little about the Celtic gods or myths, that's pretty much all I know about him.
Although, I suppose it may be possible that, much like the giant pantheon who draws on some aspects of Norse mythology and the outer gods who take inspiration from H.P. Lovecraft, certain deities or characters on Galareon may take inspiration from one or several deities from mythology.
Different name perhaps, maybe even a somewhat different appearance, but if you look hard enough you may find some similarities.
Yeah this is totally correct. :-)
I dont know if you've already mentioned´it (I'm fairly new to your channel, and have a lot to catch up on), but when you do make your video on Absalom, will you touch upon Shadow Absolom as well?
Honestly, probably not in very much detail. Absalom has a vast amount of detail, and that will probably wind up being a very long video even without Shadow Absalom. I do discuss Shadow Absalom a little in my Inner Sphere Part 2 guide, which discusses the Shadowplane and the First World.
Lyrakiens seem like the closest think PathFinder has to Minecraft allays?
nice a new video
🎉🥳🎉
@@TheMythkeeperI nominate asura for the next one builds on hells backstory
@@burningbronze7555 That's next ;-)
as I'm currently working on a Samurai that hails from Xian tia, I would love to learn more about their religion.
There are some new Tian Xia books coming out so I'm planning to hold some of that content until they hit the shelves.
Would suggest the kytons thry have some interesting lore and variants that also connects with other fiends and gods quite a bit
Kytons are awesome and I'm getting there fairly soon!
@@TheMythkeeper ya like them enough I made a template for them so can play one or least a half one
@@dragonlord498 Thats awesome. Stay tuned then, that should be a fun video.
I’d love to hear about psychopomps
That's not the next religion vid that's going up, but it is the one coming right after that.
Psychopomps would be amazing! I'm currently creating a level 12 cleric of Il’surrish they will eventually become a Yamaraj
Wait... Ill'surrish is a Protean Lord! Either way, both Proteans and Psychopomps are coming!
what happened to the sound? Ok it seems to be only the intro
I think I had to switch to a different mic for the filmed portion because I was getting feedback. I tried to fix in post a little but obviously didn’t work.
Another Trilogy completed
I don't know if there are alot but, what about dead gods and empyreal lords
Good idea! I'll put that on the backlog and see if there's enough material there to make it interesting
@@TheMythkeeperawesome!
That's a list that may grow soon, with what Paizo have been hinting about future stoylines.
@@valvadis2360 Yep, I've heard that rumor too ;-)
Oh so Azata are archfey or high archfey?
Azata are fey-like celestials
Now for the neutral post mortal entities
Yep!
I find it intresting that the names given to the patitioners of Heaven and Elysium are synonyms, yet the patitioners of Narvana don't follow that trend.
...
Seems like there is some overlap with the Agathians, but that's okay.
It seems like an error, doesn't it? I feel like the petitioners of Niravana should be called "the Pure" suggesting something innate in them rather than something that has occurred to them. But maybe that's the point, isn't it? Nirvana requires more introspection and work to achieve the right level of balance.
@@TheMythkeeperIf we rename "The Clensed" to "The Pure," we should also rename "The Hunted" to "A-Bad-(on) Guys."
edit: more serious name,"The Sinfull," or "The Wicked," or "The corrupt," or "The Malliine."
@@TheMythkeeper
Actually, my point was how simmular the tems "elect," and "chosen," are. Does not being "Elect," just mean you were "Chosen" through the prosess of democracy?
...
Then again, considering the chosen do like to rollplay have governemnt titles, maybe this makes sense.
...
But perhalps the Chosen have "*chosen* their own path?" Or their braging about being "chosen by God/prophacy." Honestly, either explaintion would work for chaotic good beings.
(The former exemplifying their freedom-mindedness,
and the latter exemplifying their capricious nature.)
Psychopomps aeons and ushers are the coolest planar beings
They are all coming ;-)
Picklepot is litterally Gholarian April Fools Day! 🤣
Hehe, it totally is
They kind of look like Fae.
There is definitely a similar vibe there
They I would say are celestial fey
Chadali... dammit.
Qadira
I am not a fan of this creation. What is an Azata? They don't have a similar shape or a single characteristic physical feature. They sometimes simply look like humans, elves, ents, animals, angels, plants. Are they just chaotic good outsiders? Simply Chaotic Good elementals? Thematically, they are similar to fairies and angels, with nothing that makes Azata particularly stand out from the other two. It's not demon or devil where there's already lore behind them. Plus, devils, demons, psychopomps, aeons have somewhat distinctie thematic visuals within each grouping. They made an outsider grouping out of whole cloth, and it's neither cohesive nor unique/distinctive enough, visually or otherwise. It's probably why they don't feature prominently. Proteans and inevitables are better creations. Daemons are somewhat interesting.
I think thats a fair criticism. Many of the types in Pathfinder could probably do with a slighly more consistent design aesthetic.
Wow. There are a lot of goddesses and female empyreal lords in Pathfinder. Like about 90% of them. Granted that the overgoddes of Pathfinder setting is a woman. Still feels like a feminist power-fantasy. Video is good, though. It's the source material that is weird.
Few thoughts -
1.) Some gender balance seems to depend on the outsider type. If you look at my Devils video you'll see that apart from the 4 Queens of the Night (only 4) the other 50+ of them (archdevils, dukes of hell, malebranche etc...) are pretty much all male.
2.) Paizo is not trying to create a feminist power-fantasy, they're trying to create a setting that will appeal equally to male and female players, so that means making a concerted effort to include important female characters - maybe more than have historically appeared on our world.
3.) Even despite this effort, there are plenty of places where you'll see more male characters than female characters. For example of the "powerful spellcasters of the world" - Nex, Geb, Tar-Baphon, Jaatembe and Hao Jin, only a single one (Hao Jin) is female. Two I guess if you include Baba Yaga, though its not clear if she is mortal or some other kind of entity.
Anyway! My point is if you look for things to be upset by, you will find them. But if you recognize that the game is being built for many players (not just yourself) you'll realize you can focus your adventures in whatever parts of the world resonate with you and not focus on the parts that don't ring true for you.
Lets be honest 90% of the Azata are just reskin fae and bunch of human bards i find pathfinder being very lazy when creating the azata to be honest they could just create more good fae instead of this it would be better as a fae extension reather then this lazy excuse to fae themed angles.
That's a fair critique of this group.