I really don’t care if they bought a championship or not. People hate teams that spend while also hating cheap owners like Fisher and Reisendorf. You can’t win
But only because of those cheap owners do the stars consolidate onto the top teams. If those cheap owners were to compete in the market and pay up for players, then the top players wouldn’t all be on the same team.
Every team spends. When the MLB team that plays pro bono has fans that complain, then I’ll listen. Other than that this is just broke ass fans pretending these teams are broke ass like them but the small market owners are just rich guys who keep the money. These are ALL rich teams, grow up!
There have been multiple small market teams that have made a World Series over the past 20 years. The first year where it’s 2 giant markets and now all of a sudden small markets can’t in baseball 😅
What makes a market a "small market"? Cause I'm always being told that Kansas City is a small market even though it can afford to pay the best quarterback for the most money.
@@colmecolwag baseball is the only major sport in America where the small market atleast have a fair chance to win unlike NBA or NFL where teams legit go on dynastic runs.
@@DanielOrteez to be fair the NFL has much more even revenue sharing. The TV deal money gets split mostly 32 ways evenly and that's the biggest revenue source for these teams. While in Baseball, those rights are every team for themselves. The TV rights for the As won't go for as much as the Dodgers and the Dodgers will get a buttload more income from it in a way that the KC Chiefs won't have to worry about
MLB has had 9 different teams win the WS in the past 10 years (2014-2023). In European Soccer, La Liga (Spanish Soccer league), 9 different teams have won a Championship in their entire 90+ year history!!!
Cause only in America do we as a whole hate winning teams. In LaLiga most fans support Barca or Real Madrid and only rivals hate them. In the states , the hate base for big teams be bigger than the actual fanbase lol
There’s never been a dominant team or a high spending team that never got massive amounts of hate. Patriots, Warriors with KD. Modern era Yankees, Chiefs , the fricking Dallas cowboys lmao 😂
You can't compare the regular season results of La Liga to the playoff results of the MLB. You have a playoff system that makes everything more random. If you check the pennants, which is the logical thing to compare, things are a bit different: The Yankees have won 41 American league pennants. Second on the list are the Athletics with 15... In the National League things are a bit better with 4 or 5 dominant teams. Again, it's totally unfair to compare a playoff. league to a non-playoff one.
When teams like the Yankees or the Dodgers don’t make the playoffs or don’t win the World Series they get criticized for spending so much money but can’t do shit and have nothing to show for. But when they win it’s always because of the money.
I think 14 of the last 16 (2009-2024) winners being inside the top 10 for spend is indicative of its impact. You don’t have to have to be number 1 to win, but 90% of the time you do have to spend more than the bottom 66% of teams. I don’t really think it’s a bad thing, if you want it and are willing to spend money for it that’s fine, but for the teams/owners that are unlikely to be in that top 10 of spend it can be rough as a fan. On the other hand it does make the shots they do get more tense and exciting because they are rare.
@@DanielOrteez even college sports, it used to be the school getting paid, now it’s the players too. I hope everyone enjoys watching Alabama for the next 50 years
Spending big money is only half the equation if it’s even that. The three biggest spenders (Mets, Yankees, and Dodgers) combined for for a grand total of 1 World Series Championship in the last 15 years.
Yes, they bought a World Series Championship. That's why they didn't have to play a single regular season game and did not have to play a single post season game in 2024. They were both issued 2024 World Series trophies during spring training. How does Jom Boy the expert not know this???
@@edomarpez1840 the Mets and Gaurdians gave us the BEST games of the year. The dodgers/yankees will give us the most boring ass games of the year i think. Soto will walk 10 times then hit huge homers. We already know. Ohtani big homers and stealing bases every time. We know. No surprises or underdog come backs etc.
@@edomarpez1840 well to be fair Steve has owned the team for 4 years and they have made the playoff twice. granted 22 was barely an appearance and a major let down with the regular season they put together. I think the dodgers and yanks over the last decade or so have proved if you spend smartly you can put consistent pieces together to make the dance more regularly if not every year. But as they both have showed and as the original comment points to it doesn't mean you can buy a WS. Now that there seems to be a competent front office behind Steve's bank account I hope to see them contend on a more regular basis, all I can ask for as a fan
@jimmydean4444 The padres had to subtract payroll, they did, they improved their team by getting rid of Juan, impressive feat. Those guys have another year of control as well. Levels to this my guy, levels.
From 1995 to 2022- 93% of the World Series winners had a top 15 payroll and 83% of the World Series participants had a top 15 payroll. That is all you need to know. If I was in charge of MLB I would do 2 things immediately, implement an electronic strike zone and institute a salary cap but also a salary floor to stick it to those cheap owners.
You absolutely can buy a championship. That being said you have to be smart enough to overpay the right front office, drafting and development, players and coaches. The hard part isn’t the check its the eval of the behind the scenes talent that gets you where you want to be.
@@FrodohTBaggins That's Just Objectively incorrect. You are just hating. I mean 50 years is insane, but just in the last 10 they've had success with Gary Sanchez, Clarke Schmidt, Gleyber Torres, and Michael King. If you are talking about true once in a generation players like Jeter or Judge I challenge you to find an organization that pumps that out better than the Yankees over the past 50 years.
My team just got a eliminated by the Yankees, but at the same time I’m not gonna sit here and say that I’m not gonna watch greatness on Friday i’m watching every game every inning⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️
As a Cleveland fan im pissed cause looking at boxscore the dudes that killed us were big money frer agent bats we could never get 😂. But its a team game big money alone wont do it in baseball (LA Angels are proof). You got a full squad. 90s yankees had a solid core they developed that is a huge reason they had dynasty not just big check books.. Was rangers diamondbacks bad ratings cause upstart teams? Or cause they just don't have the fan interest? Rangers bought a ton of guys too, they got stars. Cubs / Guardians was most viewed of the last 15 years. The fans here in Cleveland are hungry. Lord knows cubs fans run deep too though. Congrats on the pennant James, I appreciate what you do for the game of baseball.
I get that you can't buy a world series but it still sucks to see like 2-3 teams being the only teams that can afford someone like Ohtani which can be the difference between making the playoffs and not. I hate the cheap owners too but there is no way you can argue that its not a competitive value when you can just outbid anyone to get the best players on the market every single year.
@@stevenr3729 My argument is IMO what most people mean when they say you can buy wins. It's not about the WS or the Championship but it's about straight winning more games and giving yourself the most shots at the playoffs (and the world series as a result).
if it's considered good because the wold series ratings, you have to consider all the teams that can't sell tickets because fans don't think they have a chance (which they don't)
I’m a Dodger fan living in San Diego and watched the Dodgers/Yankees series at a local bar. Met a Yankee fan and It was a breath of fresh air to talk/banter only about baseball. Not hear the usual cry baby stuff from padre fans about payroll and how it’s not fair wah-wah-wah. Looking forward to the World Series against another big club!
I couldn't tell you the last time I watched MLB playoffs before this year. I watched probably 5 regular season games and have watched a few playoff games this year and plan on watching the fall classic. Star players 100% bring eyes to the game.
Good to see the big spenders in the World Series on occasion. It’s not guaranteed by any means which proves it’s hard to buy a Championship. Go 2023 Texas Rangers!
The vast majority of teams in this league can afford to spend as much as the Yankees and Dodgers. The VAST majority. Look up the net worth of each team owner. Majority of them are worth at least a billion or more. People aren’t mad that the Yankees and Dodgers are spending to get to the dance, they are upset that THEIR owners are cheap.
@@GeorgeRobles-t2f It's easy to assume that you earn a huge return on your investment, but some markets earn more than others. That's a reality baseball fans need to accept. There are the haves and have nots like in the real world. The Have Nots have to be smarter and have a smaller margin for error
@@zorroknowsbetter your stupid, not one single owner is going to spend more than they make, that includes your idol steinburner, net worth doesn’t mean Jack shit
Love Jimmy’s 3 things! Jimmy, if you had to choose between a Yankees World Series win sweep, where they blow the Dodgers out every game, OR, a 7 game series that is super back and forth and packed full of electric moments, but the Yankees lose the 7th game, what would you pick?
The one hang up I have on small markets is the fact that they inherently have fewer fans than larger markets. Democracy says who cares if small markets don’t win
Exactly. A city like Cincinnati or Milwaukee will just never ever ever have as many fans as a NY, LA, or other massive metropolitan area, no matter if they're a good team or not. It's just a fact. And since the big markets DO have that many more fans, that translates into more revenue for the teams to then have a larger payroll. I don't have a fix for this. I guess that's the point of revenue sharing. It just is what it is.
Were any "impossible" plays made by any player this season? Regardless of whether Gold Glover or not? I would like to see a play rated "impossible" if such a thing actually exists.
Also the first world series to feature a guy who's won Japans: Pacific League MVP: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023 Eiji Sawamura Award: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023 Japan Series champion: Won in 2022 Nippon Professional Baseball League All-Star: Won five times from 2018-2023 Pacific League Golden Glove Award: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023 Best Battery Award: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023 Pacific League ERA champion: Won four times from 2019-2023 Pacific League strikeout champion: Won four times from 2020-2023 Pacific League wins champion: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023 Interleague play MVP: Won in 2021 And also threw two no-hitters: Threw one in 2022 and another in 2023
Short answer: yes Long answer: also yes Teams that are "bought" probably bring in more new people to watch a world series, whereas teams that are "built" cause more true baseball fans to watch. So it's probably a catch 22.
@@mnplumberman there are examples of teams with smaller budgets that have made the dance just as there are examples of teams who have spent far more and not even made the playoffs. the critique is more about the disparity of team salaries in baseball and that maybe there should be a cap on both ends of the spectrum. it would be better for baseball imho.
Both things are true. It is absolutely disgusting how much teams pay to buy up their competition but it is also true that this world series of stars is good for the sport...
Dodgers vs Yankees is literally the pinnacle of baseball. Let’s be real the World Series would not have been exciting if it was Cleveland vs the Mets unless you’re a fan of either team
The Yankees and Dodgers paid a lot of money for star power and name recognition. Most of those players are still very much in their prime and have all for the most part shown up this post season. What we have learned the last few years is that the hottest teams going into the playoffs tend to have the most success in the playoffs. Even when the Guardians were clicking on all cylinders earlier this season, they dropped 4 out of 6 games vs the Yankees, the did not match up well against the great competitors this year except for like the Phillies and Orioles. I have lived in north east Ohio my entire life. The Indians/Guardians are my team, we saw flashes of how great they could be even in game 4 of the ALCS, but our pitching staff was gassed. I hope Vogt learned his lesson and I hope the Guardians make moves to stay competitive next year. Those Yankee bats were just too much this season. Go Dodgers I guess.
I think the pay to win question's main point is being ignored. While yes it is possible for lower payroll teams to occasionally stumble into winning runs and make the world series the main problem is there's no way for small market teams to get some players because a handful of teams can easily out bid them and not really think twice about it because they have 2-3 times the revenue (or more). This is nothing against any big market team. There's no rules being broken. There's nothing wrong with using whatever resources you have available to improve your team in whatever way you can when you aren't cheating or breaking established rules. I think a better way to think about this topic would be to add this question: Could the MLB balance out the talent and create a more competitive league across the board by establishing payroll rules that would keep small numbers of teams from hoarding a large portion of the talent? As someone who's a fan of the sport as a whole seeing more super stars go to different and unique places is very appealing.
13:20 thank you for saying that part. No fan wants their season to be called illegitimate because ownership spent a lot of money. But if the top ten payrolls have great odds of making the postseason and everyone else doesn’t, you get why 20 other teams’ fans are crying foul.
That’s baseball for ya. What allows small market teams to stay in the mix is the randomness that’s inherent in the game; absent that, it would be LA and NY in the Fall Classic just about every year.
It's telling that while 7 MLB teams still have not sold their jerseys and identities out to advertisers, not a single one of them made it to the playoffs this year. The Texas Rangers will be the last team to have won a World Series under their own identity. All that matters is the money - it's always been true, but it keeps getting worse every year.
Have two big market teams in the World Series actually turns me off to watching the games. I prefer seeing a team that has never made it like Seattle or a team that has not won it in a long time like Cleveland. I did like it when teams like the Pirates and Reds had a team of great players that were the same players to make it in the 70's. As a Padres fan I used to look forward to teams like the Big Red Machine would come to town and Pitsburgh and Cincinnati are technically a small market teams and I would hate it if they would not ever have a chance to get back to the World Series because of payroll.
Yankees and dodgers don't pay from other team pockets so if you think they buy their championship recent finals telling otherwise and if you think they throw money it's not your money
The part of the equation that’s missing here is consistent access to the playoffs. By Jimmy’s metrics until a couple days ago Cleveland was the more successful franchise for the last 14 years because they made one World Series and the Yankees made zero. But in reality that doesn’t take into account the fact that in 10 of those 13 years the Yankees made the playoffs and Cleveland only made it in 6. What if they’d been able to keep Lindor, Brantley, Cliff Lee and the Yankees couldn’t acquire Cole, Stanton, Soto, etc? Who would have had more bites at the apple then? But worse still… the Jacoby deal. That would have sunk Cleveland as a franchise. New York got to move on. And this is one of the most successful small market teams too. Yes Cleveland was on that list in 90s and the Padres have been on that list in recent years… the difference is that they couldn’t sustain the spending for more than a couple years. The Yankees don’t have to make that choice. They would never have to let a player like Lindor go.
The other 5 games youre expecting the pen to shoulder 7 innings each game or something? Gonna need a lot more than just one good start from flaherty. Yanks feast on over exposed bullpens and righty pitching. Id be less confident.
@@JackGeezy yoshi and walker cant go deep into games, and bullpen games in the world series after a 5 and 6 game set is never a good recipe, especially against the yankees. Yankees offense isnt exactly a great matchup for Dodger pitching. Yankees have an abundance of good pitching and with freeman and rojas injured, may not be so easy.
So basically, this video is saying its getting back to the way it was in the late 90s and it doesn't matter like it actually did in the 90s when they changed it. That's exactly what it looks like
not a “fan” of either team but looking forward to watching the world series. I like both teams and the stars on each one itll be fun, everybody mad at everything 😊
This WC is different. Ohtani really draw in new fans...people that never watch baseball like me all of sudden tuning in to watch him...what was the 50/50 club all about ....and as I read comments....people were saying they never watch baseball either and they came from Europe. So, I believe this WC is going to draw in lot more fans than you normally seen in a WC game.
You really need to ask the question? My God... Of course they did! Teams with the most money have the best chances of reaching the postseason and the WS. You pay great players a great deal of money to play on your team. It's simple, basic logic. To be totally honest, I predicted last April that the Dodgers and Yankees would face in the World Series. And look what happened...
And the year before that and the year before that and the year before that, if that statement were true the Yankees would be in every world series, it's a ridiculous statement to make.
Love this! Although I think if you included assists for CF Doyle would've won. There's one play where he makes a diving catch, pops up, and guns a dude down at 3rd.
Its no different than equipping your F1 race car with the best and most expensive upgrades to win the Indianapolis 500. Why buy crappy cheapo parts to win? 🏁 🏎 😂
Dodger fan here. Unless there are salary caps on some teams and not on others, I don’t wanna hear it. Not only did MLB let the Astros cheat without consequence, they CELEBRATED their “triumphant” return a couple years ago. The MLB is lucky us fans are suckers and still support this shit. Go Dodgers OR Yankees.
I don’t really think it matters whether or not the players are “bought” or not. Ownership spending on their product is a hell of a lot better for the game than turbo tanking for years like Houston/Baltimore did.
I'm sad that Braves couldn't keep Freeman, Angels couldn't keep Ohtani, Red Sox couldn't keep Betts, Pirates couldn't keep Cole, Marlins couldn't keep Stanton, Nats couldn't keep Soto, etc. So many "faces of a franchise" just get lured away by the careless overspending of just a couple of teams
@@espo221b Even the so-called big money teams can't keep up. Red Sox are stretched thin at $200M. They did try to retain him but just couldn't flex enough financial muscle, Betts said he wanted more money.
It’s weird that nobody makes this complaint about professional soccer around the world where the wage gaps are exponentially more extreme. Life has giants and minnows.
Anyone that thinks that all you need is money doesn’t know s about baseball. It takes so many things. The dodgers are here because they do everything exceptional.
I wonder if the fact that there is more people streaming and postseason channels are different than regular season (requiring their own subscription) impacts viewership. I would have watched D-Back v Rangers if I didn’t have to pay extra.
It's fine to be excited that your team is in the WS. Presenting an argument on buying your way into the world series not really being a thing, when evidence within the video itself points to it happening (17 of last 32 WS in top 5 payroll, 5 of the last 7 WS featuring at least 2 top 10 payroll teams, etc) is pretty bad faith. If anything, it shows recent years trending toward paying to get there as we get deeper into this statistical analysis era of baseball favoring teams with deeper pockets. I'm happy for you and your Yankees, and I'll be rooting for them against the Dodgers, but I don't think we should be pretending that money doesn't buy world series. Also, presenting Dodgers as 5th in payroll is also pretty bad faith when you know they have over $900m deferred over at least 4 players. It's technically true on paper, but no one is really fooled here.
Data says MLB has a parity issue. New playoff format helps so much because we now get diverse rings but regular season is still tired imo. Dodgers have won 11 of the last 12 division titles. Does any other big 4 American sport have a streak like that? Dodgers ownership group is worth $230B… go figure 🤔
I think its crazy that voters arent supposed to take postseason plays into account when discussing gold gloves and silver sluggers. Sure some voters might just look at the numbers but there no way there some who watch the replays and keep track of who shows up the most all season (including postseason). And those plays matter most too so why not give them a boost
If the Yankees or the dodgers weren't going to spend, someone else going to do it. The Padres can cry about the dodgers payroll but they just paid tatis and Machado like half a billion to stay in San Diego. To say "all you have to do to win is a pay" completely undermines what the respective front offices are doing to find some of these obscure players to complete their clubs, nobody wanted to pay Enrique hernandez but the dodgers picked him up and now only he and manny ramirez have the most home runs in postseason history.
Realistically, given the Dodgers' pitching rotation, they shouldn't be anywhere near the WS. No Glasnow, Gonsolin, May, Kershaw. Vesia and Graterol out. For all their money, most of their defence has been decimated.
So what I'm hearing is, the world series should have a big market team at all times. If you are a small market team or a team that was unlikely to be there, then nobody cares and it's bad for baseball. That certainly is a take.
Not always, because they're about ten teams that do the same thing as you. Texas spent 200 million last year. What I can say is that being in the last ten, NEVER gets it. You have to spend SOME money
I really don’t care if they bought a championship or not. People hate teams that spend while also hating cheap owners like Fisher and Reisendorf. You can’t win
THIS
But only because of those cheap owners do the stars consolidate onto the top teams. If those cheap owners were to compete in the market and pay up for players, then the top players wouldn’t all be on the same team.
@@Variab13 Even if all teams paid evenly, players would still make more money in bigger markets through ads and sponsorships
Every team spends. When the MLB team that plays pro bono has fans that complain, then I’ll listen. Other than that this is just broke ass fans pretending these teams are broke ass like them but the small market owners are just rich guys who keep the money. These are ALL rich teams, grow up!
@@Variab13some, maybe… who cares? The funniest thing is that all these fans who think like this are the same people who call politicians commies. 😂😂😂
There have been multiple small market teams that have made a World Series over the past 20 years. The first year where it’s 2 giant markets and now all of a sudden small markets can’t in baseball 😅
Yeah but what was the last small market team to *win* the WS, and how often does it happen?
Like it's hard to deny it doesn't give you a big advantage
What makes a market a "small market"? Cause I'm always being told that Kansas City is a small market even though it can afford to pay the best quarterback for the most money.
@@DanielOrteez now this made me chuckle
@@colmecolwag baseball is the only major sport in America where the small market atleast have a fair chance to win unlike NBA or NFL where teams legit go on dynastic runs.
@@DanielOrteez to be fair the NFL has much more even revenue sharing. The TV deal money gets split mostly 32 ways evenly and that's the biggest revenue source for these teams.
While in Baseball, those rights are every team for themselves. The TV rights for the As won't go for as much as the Dodgers and the Dodgers will get a buttload more income from it in a way that the KC Chiefs won't have to worry about
MLB has had 9 different teams win the WS in the past 10 years (2014-2023). In European Soccer, La Liga (Spanish Soccer league), 9 different teams have won a Championship in their entire 90+ year history!!!
I don't know how they don't get bored knowing that outcome but they remain big footballers out there.
Cause only in America do we as a whole hate winning teams. In LaLiga most fans support Barca or Real Madrid and only rivals hate them. In the states , the hate base for big teams be bigger than the actual fanbase lol
There’s never been a dominant team or a high spending team that never got massive amounts of hate. Patriots, Warriors with KD. Modern era Yankees, Chiefs , the fricking Dallas cowboys lmao 😂
@@Anthony-dy5cqthere’s other trophies mid to small level soccer teams can strive for. It’s not just the domestic league soccer teams compete for
You can't compare the regular season results of La Liga to the playoff results of the MLB. You have a playoff system that makes everything more random.
If you check the pennants, which is the logical thing to compare, things are a bit different:
The Yankees have won 41 American league pennants. Second on the list are the Athletics with 15...
In the National League things are a bit better with 4 or 5 dominant teams.
Again, it's totally unfair to compare a playoff. league to a non-playoff one.
When teams like the Yankees or the Dodgers don’t make the playoffs or don’t win the World Series they get criticized for spending so much money but can’t do shit and have nothing to show for.
But when they win it’s always because of the money.
It's a lose-lose. I'm sure the players and owners are crying in their mansions
@@XxTesla21xX So only because they have money their work and effort shouldn't be recognized?
@@edomarpez1840 lol what are you talking about? They'll be fine. Let the fans bicker about narratives
@@XxTesla21xX Who am I not letting bicker?
@@edomarpez1840 🙄 don't worry about it lol
I think 14 of the last 16 (2009-2024) winners being inside the top 10 for spend is indicative of its impact. You don’t have to have to be number 1 to win, but 90% of the time you do have to spend more than the bottom 66% of teams. I don’t really think it’s a bad thing, if you want it and are willing to spend money for it that’s fine, but for the teams/owners that are unlikely to be in that top 10 of spend it can be rough as a fan. On the other hand it does make the shots they do get more tense and exciting because they are rare.
It's professional sports! You're supposed to pay players! You're supposed to buy and pay for the best players! They don't play for free!
@@DanielOrteez even college sports, it used to be the school getting paid, now it’s the players too. I hope everyone enjoys watching Alabama for the next 50 years
@@Stacey_-bf2mb I get it, but fuck the schools. They were milking these kids for years! I'm glad they're finally getting paid.
Spending big money is only half the equation if it’s even that.
The three biggest spenders (Mets, Yankees, and Dodgers) combined for for a grand total of 1 World Series Championship in the last 15 years.
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At 9:00 : Dodgers listed in the "winner" column of the spreadsheet for 2024; you heard it here first!
Mmhmm. Some of us are worried.
Now they won’t win and nobody will remember this. Fuck!
he's putting the reverse jinx on don't be fooled!
Yes, they bought a World Series Championship. That's why they didn't have to play a single regular season game and did not have to play a single post season game in 2024. They were both issued 2024 World Series trophies during spring training. How does Jom Boy the expert not know this???
Only intellectually gifted take I’ve seen
Clearly the theme of the video went right over your head.
@@timothy4664 What part of the title of the video "Did Yankees and Dodgers BUY a World Series berth?" did I not get?
@timothy4664 Clearly, the concept of sarcasm went right over your head.
@@LAsuperfly94 What's up hometown, they ain't like us!!!
At least they didn’t cheat to get there and win like the Astros.
They all cheat, players always looking for an edge in all organizations...
Astros won 2 at Dodger Stadium, including game 7. Nuff said. You obviously don’t watch baseball.
@@jasonlewis1926Astros cheated. YOU obviously don’t watch baseball
You must still be butter hurt from 2017 all
@@salvadoraragon9293 no I’m stating facts. You must be butt hurt that everyone knows the Astros cheated. Lol it’s not a secret
You can’t buy a World Series but you can buy a playoff birth
Then tell the Mets & Steve they got robbed since they had to fight like crazy to only get a WC spot
@@edomarpez1840 the Mets and Gaurdians gave us the BEST games of the year. The dodgers/yankees will give us the most boring ass games of the year i think. Soto will walk 10 times then hit huge homers. We already know. Ohtani big homers and stealing bases every time. We know. No surprises or underdog come backs etc.
@@edomarpez1840 well to be fair Steve has owned the team for 4 years and they have made the playoff twice. granted 22 was barely an appearance and a major let down with the regular season they put together. I think the dodgers and yanks over the last decade or so have proved if you spend smartly you can put consistent pieces together to make the dance more regularly if not every year. But as they both have showed and as the original comment points to it doesn't mean you can buy a WS. Now that there seems to be a competent front office behind Steve's bank account I hope to see them contend on a more regular basis, all I can ask for as a fan
The small market thing is a real problem. But it’s one that MLB loves to have.
I’m glad I get to see shohei in the World Series
Ugh
More accurate to say padres gave yankees and dodger WS. Traded away soto to yankee, lost offensive ability to beat dodger bullpen
@4kU-si4ih The Padres added dylan cease and michael king from Soto! That trade worked perfectly for both teams.
@@chadhoff7800perfectly 😂
Are the Padres in the world series?
@jimmydean4444 The padres had to subtract payroll, they did, they improved their team by getting rid of Juan, impressive feat. Those guys have another year of control as well. Levels to this my guy, levels.
From 1995 to 2022- 93% of the World Series winners had a top 15 payroll and 83% of the World Series participants had a top 15 payroll. That is all you need to know. If I was in charge of MLB I would do 2 things immediately, implement an electronic strike zone and institute a salary cap but also a salary floor to stick it to those cheap owners.
You absolutely can buy a championship. That being said you have to be smart enough to overpay the right front office, drafting and development, players and coaches. The hard part isn’t the check its the eval of the behind the scenes talent that gets you where you want to be.
You do realize Yankees don’t develop, they buy players, they’ve had 2 homegrown players in like 50 years, judge and jeter
@@FrodohTBaggins2 of the some of the greatest players to touch the field lol that’s pretty good
Doesn't really sound like overpaying if you get the intended result.
Yep. Blueprint of the Dodgers
@@FrodohTBaggins That's Just Objectively incorrect. You are just hating. I mean 50 years is insane, but just in the last 10 they've had success with Gary Sanchez, Clarke Schmidt, Gleyber Torres, and Michael King. If you are talking about true once in a generation players like Jeter or Judge I challenge you to find an organization that pumps that out better than the Yankees over the past 50 years.
I wish there was more accountability for ownership groups that don’t spend much. Incentivize cheap owners to spend through a salary floor
Exactly, the lack of a salary floor is urgent to address
A team can definitely buy a playoff spot. A World Series berth requires good timing and luck - especially as more playoff spots have been added.
My team just got a eliminated by the Yankees, but at the same time I’m not gonna sit here and say that I’m not gonna watch greatness on Friday i’m watching every game every inning⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️
As a Cleveland fan im pissed cause looking at boxscore the dudes that killed us were big money frer agent bats we could never get 😂. But its a team game big money alone wont do it in baseball (LA Angels are proof). You got a full squad. 90s yankees had a solid core they developed that is a huge reason they had dynasty not just big check books..
Was rangers diamondbacks bad ratings cause upstart teams? Or cause they just don't have the fan interest? Rangers bought a ton of guys too, they got stars. Cubs / Guardians was most viewed of the last 15 years. The fans here in Cleveland are hungry. Lord knows cubs fans run deep too though. Congrats on the pennant James, I appreciate what you do for the game of baseball.
In order to get those bats, you're going to need to change years of human psychology to not want a lot of money.
I get that you can't buy a world series but it still sucks to see like 2-3 teams being the only teams that can afford someone like Ohtani which can be the difference between making the playoffs and not. I hate the cheap owners too but there is no way you can argue that its not a competitive value when you can just outbid anyone to get the best players on the market every single year.
That argument wasn’t made in this video nor have I ever heard it made elsewhere. Obviously getting the best players gives you an advantage
@@stevenr3729 My argument is IMO what most people mean when they say you can buy wins. It's not about the WS or the Championship but it's about straight winning more games and giving yourself the most shots at the playoffs (and the world series as a result).
if it's considered good because the wold series ratings, you have to consider all the teams that can't sell tickets because fans don't think they have a chance (which they don't)
I’m a Dodger fan living in San Diego and watched the Dodgers/Yankees series at a local bar.
Met a Yankee fan and It was a breath of fresh air to talk/banter only about baseball. Not hear the usual cry baby stuff from padre fans about payroll and how it’s not fair wah-wah-wah.
Looking forward to the World Series against another big club!
Losers always bring excuses. The "small market" nonsense is the dumbest. Arte Moreno can spend as much as he wants, won't make even the playoffs.
They spent half a billion to keep tatis and Machado there so that little pity party they enjoy throwing themselves is tone deaf.
864 million, the Padres have committed to be exact, not exactly "small market".
As a Texas Rangers fan, I was stressed and paranoid watching last year WS. Now I can relax and enjoy this awesome matchup.
Don't lie, you loved it lol
@@michaelreyes8879 I did love it, but it sure was stressful because I wanted them to win the WS so badly. 😅
@@romanNood1es I was so freaked out I couldn't get myself to watch
Remember checking my phone on a toilet during Game 5 😂
@@acelm8437 Why on a toilet? you didn't want anyone to see you cry in case they lost?
@@edomarpez1840 No, just so scared I had to poop
loved the gold glove play comparisons. so cool to see how awesome some of the plays/ players are
Really wanted to see all the plays made, for all players thru the season, which were categorized as "impossible"
I couldn't tell you the last time I watched MLB playoffs before this year. I watched probably 5 regular season games and have watched a few playoff games this year and plan on watching the fall classic. Star players 100% bring eyes to the game.
Good to see the big spenders in the World Series on occasion. It’s not guaranteed by any means which proves it’s hard to buy a Championship. Go 2023 Texas Rangers!
The vast majority of teams in this league can afford to spend as much as the Yankees and Dodgers. The VAST majority. Look up the net worth of each team owner. Majority of them are worth at least a billion or more.
People aren’t mad that the Yankees and Dodgers are spending to get to the dance, they are upset that THEIR owners are cheap.
The Yankees and Dodgers also have enormous TV deals compared to the majority of teams. That's killing MLB owners right now
@@sirwill619nah, those owners are still millionaires, no sympathy
@@GeorgeRobles-t2f It's easy to assume that you earn a huge return on your investment, but some markets earn more than others. That's a reality baseball fans need to accept. There are the haves and have nots like in the real world. The Have Nots have to be smarter and have a smaller margin for error
@@sirwill619 😩😃
@@zorroknowsbetter your stupid, not one single owner is going to spend more than they make, that includes your idol steinburner, net worth doesn’t mean Jack shit
I'm happy this channel exists so I only have to watch the important moments
Love Jimmy’s 3 things!
Jimmy, if you had to choose between a Yankees World Series win sweep, where they blow the Dodgers out every game, OR, a 7 game series that is super back and forth and packed full of electric moments, but the Yankees lose the 7th game, what would you pick?
Bobby Whit had one against the Dodgers this season. Runs to left, back shoulder catch and gets Teoscar making a double play at first
The one hang up I have on small markets is the fact that they inherently have fewer fans than larger markets. Democracy says who cares if small markets don’t win
Exactly. A city like Cincinnati or Milwaukee will just never ever ever have as many fans as a NY, LA, or other massive metropolitan area, no matter if they're a good team or not. It's just a fact. And since the big markets DO have that many more fans, that translates into more revenue for the teams to then have a larger payroll. I don't have a fix for this. I guess that's the point of revenue sharing. It just is what it is.
Were any "impossible" plays made by any player this season? Regardless of whether Gold Glover or not? I would like to see a play rated "impossible" if such a thing actually exists.
Also the first world series to feature a guy who's won Japans:
Pacific League MVP: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023
Eiji Sawamura Award: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023
Japan Series champion: Won in 2022
Nippon Professional Baseball League All-Star: Won five times from 2018-2023
Pacific League Golden Glove Award: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023
Best Battery Award: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023
Pacific League ERA champion: Won four times from 2019-2023
Pacific League strikeout champion: Won four times from 2020-2023
Pacific League wins champion: Won three years in a row from 2021-2023
Interleague play MVP: Won in 2021
And also threw two no-hitters: Threw one in 2022 and another in 2023
Short answer: yes
Long answer: also yes
Teams that are "bought" probably bring in more new people to watch a world series, whereas teams that are "built" cause more true baseball fans to watch. So it's probably a catch 22.
Remember the movie moneyball? This shows how amazing the win streak was for the A's was at the time.
It might be like the 2017 World Series with lots of scoring
yes you can buy a championship. its pretty ridiculous that some teams spend 30 mil and others 300 mil.
Or is it more accurate to say you can Cheap your way Out of Championships.
@@mnplumberman there are examples of teams with smaller budgets that have made the dance just as there are examples of teams who have spent far more and not even made the playoffs. the critique is more about the disparity of team salaries in baseball and that maybe there should be a cap on both ends of the spectrum. it would be better for baseball imho.
Both things are true. It is absolutely disgusting how much teams pay to buy up their competition but it is also true that this world series of stars is good for the sport...
Dodgers vs Yankees is literally the pinnacle of baseball. Let’s be real the World Series would not have been exciting if it was Cleveland vs the Mets unless you’re a fan of either team
I like that Jimmy found a way to make Utility GG work for him.
The last time both of these teams played in the World Series 198I I was a New Born.Cant Wait For Friday🏝️🏠🌴🗽🏙️🍾🏆🔥⚾️💯
I have been falling further and further off baseball each year
the glove gold plays and the stats was the best part of the video
The inside edge tool is so cool. Would've loved to see the Lindor plays for SS since it seems like he's been snubbed from being a finalist
Small market teams are owned by BILLIONAIRES. They can ALL afford to sign top players. Don't buy the BS.
That’s not how it works
It's a business. Not charity😂
That Chapman play was awesome
The Yankees and Dodgers paid a lot of money for star power and name recognition. Most of those players are still very much in their prime and have all for the most part shown up this post season. What we have learned the last few years is that the hottest teams going into the playoffs tend to have the most success in the playoffs.
Even when the Guardians were clicking on all cylinders earlier this season, they dropped 4 out of 6 games vs the Yankees, the did not match up well against the great competitors this year except for like the Phillies and Orioles.
I have lived in north east Ohio my entire life. The Indians/Guardians are my team, we saw flashes of how great they could be even in game 4 of the ALCS, but our pitching staff was gassed. I hope Vogt learned his lesson and I hope the Guardians make moves to stay competitive next year. Those Yankee bats were just too much this season. Go Dodgers I guess.
Your team has to be smart and be in the top 15 in spending to have a chance at the World Series
So setting your team up for success is an issue now?
I think the pay to win question's main point is being ignored. While yes it is possible for lower payroll teams to occasionally stumble into winning runs and make the world series the main problem is there's no way for small market teams to get some players because a handful of teams can easily out bid them and not really think twice about it because they have 2-3 times the revenue (or more).
This is nothing against any big market team. There's no rules being broken. There's nothing wrong with using whatever resources you have available to improve your team in whatever way you can when you aren't cheating or breaking established rules. I think a better way to think about this topic would be to add this question: Could the MLB balance out the talent and create a more competitive league across the board by establishing payroll rules that would keep small numbers of teams from hoarding a large portion of the talent? As someone who's a fan of the sport as a whole seeing more super stars go to different and unique places is very appealing.
I feel like a lot of this has to do with the playoff format as well
13:20 thank you for saying that part.
No fan wants their season to be called illegitimate because ownership spent a lot of money. But if the top ten payrolls have great odds of making the postseason and everyone else doesn’t, you get why 20 other teams’ fans are crying foul.
That’s baseball for ya. What allows small market teams to stay in the mix is the randomness that’s inherent in the game; absent that, it would be LA and NY in the Fall Classic just about every year.
It's telling that while 7 MLB teams still have not sold their jerseys and identities out to advertisers, not a single one of them made it to the playoffs this year. The Texas Rangers will be the last team to have won a World Series under their own identity. All that matters is the money - it's always been true, but it keeps getting worse every year.
Have two big market teams in the World Series actually turns me off to watching the games. I prefer seeing a team that has never made it like Seattle or a team that has not won it in a long time like Cleveland. I did like it when teams like the Pirates and Reds had a team of great players that were the same players to make it in the 70's. As a Padres fan I used to look forward to teams like the Big Red Machine would come to town and Pitsburgh and Cincinnati are technically a small market teams and I would hate it if they would not ever have a chance to get back to the World Series because of payroll.
Why don’t you tell the cheap ass owners to spend more then
Yankees and dodgers don't pay from other team pockets so if you think they buy their championship recent finals telling otherwise and if you think they throw money it's not your money
Thank you for including my question 16:55
The part of the equation that’s missing here is consistent access to the playoffs. By Jimmy’s metrics until a couple days ago Cleveland was the more successful franchise for the last 14 years because they made one World Series and the Yankees made zero. But in reality that doesn’t take into account the fact that in 10 of those 13 years the Yankees made the playoffs and Cleveland only made it in 6. What if they’d been able to keep Lindor, Brantley, Cliff Lee and the Yankees couldn’t acquire Cole, Stanton, Soto, etc? Who would have had more bites at the apple then? But worse still… the Jacoby deal. That would have sunk Cleveland as a franchise. New York got to move on. And this is one of the most successful small market teams too.
Yes Cleveland was on that list in 90s and the Padres have been on that list in recent years… the difference is that they couldn’t sustain the spending for more than a couple years. The Yankees don’t have to make that choice. They would never have to let a player like Lindor go.
If we can get one solid game from Jack, Dodgers in 6. This is our Year
The other 5 games youre expecting the pen to shoulder 7 innings each game or something? Gonna need a lot more than just one good start from flaherty. Yanks feast on over exposed bullpens and righty pitching. Id be less confident.
@@brettwolk6640 Yoshi, plus Walker going to come through again. Then need a good bullpen game. Dodgers offense is for real.
@@JackGeezy yoshi and walker cant go deep into games, and bullpen games in the world series after a 5 and 6 game set is never a good recipe, especially against the yankees. Yankees offense isnt exactly a great matchup for Dodger pitching. Yankees have an abundance of good pitching and with freeman and rojas injured, may not be so easy.
Especially since you signed the gambler. Pete Rose probably didn’t mind. Oh, and the Astros cheated.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So basically, this video is saying its getting back to the way it was in the late 90s and it doesn't matter like it actually did in the 90s when they changed it. That's exactly what it looks like
not a “fan” of either team but looking forward to watching the world series. I like both teams and the stars on each one itll be fun, everybody mad at everything 😊
The 96 is not accurate either .. chipper won mvp in 99
What the fuck Gimenez is the best 2nd baseman I've ever seen. Definite contender for the 2024 Platinum Glove
He's so incredible to watch. Hope his bat can pick up next year. His 2022 season was bonkers on both sides of the ball.
This WC is different. Ohtani really draw in new fans...people that never watch baseball like me all of sudden tuning in to watch him...what was the 50/50 club all about ....and as I read comments....people were saying they never watch baseball either and they came from Europe. So, I believe this WC is going to draw in lot more fans than you normally seen in a WC game.
You really need to ask the question? My God... Of course they did! Teams with the most money have the best chances of reaching the postseason and the WS. You pay great players a great deal of money to play on your team. It's simple, basic logic. To be totally honest, I predicted last April that the Dodgers and Yankees would face in the World Series. And look what happened...
And the year before that and the year before that and the year before that, if that statement were true the Yankees would be in every world series, it's a ridiculous statement to make.
@@Anthony-dy5cqwe could’ve seriously seen dodgers/yankees like 5 times in the past 8 years at this point lmfao
Love this! Although I think if you included assists for CF Doyle would've won. There's one play where he makes a diving catch, pops up, and guns a dude down at 3rd.
Its no different than equipping your F1 race car with the best and most expensive upgrades to win the Indianapolis 500. Why buy crappy cheapo parts to win? 🏁 🏎 😂
You can try to pay to win, but it doesn’t guarantee anything. Yankees fans should know this by now.
I still wish My Guardians was going to the World Series,But I Will Be Locked 🔒 in this World Series🏝️🏠🗽🏙️🍾🏆🔥⚾️💯
He said “2017 Astros” like it’s no big deal😂
Dodger fan here. Unless there are salary caps on some teams and not on others, I don’t wanna hear it. Not only did MLB let the Astros cheat without consequence, they CELEBRATED their “triumphant” return a couple years ago. The MLB is lucky us fans are suckers and still support this shit. Go Dodgers OR Yankees.
Jomeboy is back!
I don’t really think it matters whether or not the players are “bought” or not. Ownership spending on their product is a hell of a lot better for the game than turbo tanking for years like Houston/Baltimore did.
Ppl act like Texas is a small market but everyone said we bought our championship last year…
I'm sad that Braves couldn't keep Freeman, Angels couldn't keep Ohtani, Red Sox couldn't keep Betts, Pirates couldn't keep Cole, Marlins couldn't keep Stanton, Nats couldn't keep Soto, etc. So many "faces of a franchise" just get lured away by the careless overspending of just a couple of teams
Why are you pretending Boston couldn't afford to keep Betts?
@@espo221b Even the so-called big money teams can't keep up. Red Sox are stretched thin at $200M. They did try to retain him but just couldn't flex enough financial muscle, Betts said he wanted more money.
Watching this series is like Halleys comet once in a life time.
It’s weird that nobody makes this complaint about professional soccer around the world where the wage gaps are exponentially more extreme. Life has giants and minnows.
If you could pick one out of best offenses, best defense, which is more important for the World Series?
Anyone that thinks that all you need is money doesn’t know s about baseball. It takes so many things. The dodgers are here because they do everything exceptional.
I don’t even agree that you can buy a trip to the post season, look no further than the padres and Mets and Yankees last year
As a fan I want my team to spend everything they have on the best players they can get.
I wonder if the fact that there is more people streaming and postseason channels are different than regular season (requiring their own subscription) impacts viewership. I would have watched D-Back v Rangers if I didn’t have to pay extra.
OMG... Inside Edge is so sick I need that
I wouldn’t call them small teams I would call them cheap owners
Yes, and the FSG demonstrates what happens when the owners no longer give a shit about investing in their team.
Just 2021 All Star teams with logos slapped on their chests, imagine rooting for that
It's fine to be excited that your team is in the WS. Presenting an argument on buying your way into the world series not really being a thing, when evidence within the video itself points to it happening (17 of last 32 WS in top 5 payroll, 5 of the last 7 WS featuring at least 2 top 10 payroll teams, etc) is pretty bad faith. If anything, it shows recent years trending toward paying to get there as we get deeper into this statistical analysis era of baseball favoring teams with deeper pockets. I'm happy for you and your Yankees, and I'll be rooting for them against the Dodgers, but I don't think we should be pretending that money doesn't buy world series.
Also, presenting Dodgers as 5th in payroll is also pretty bad faith when you know they have over $900m deferred over at least 4 players. It's technically true on paper, but no one is really fooled here.
Its called investing in your sports team its a speculative investment
Data says MLB has a parity issue. New playoff format helps so much because we now get diverse rings but regular season is still tired imo. Dodgers have won 11 of the last 12 division titles. Does any other big 4 American sport have a streak like that? Dodgers ownership group is worth $230B… go figure 🤔
Only fans of big market teams are in denial about the data or aren't aware of the significance of it
Can we more firmly conclude that baseball, especially postseason baseball, is more random than what we would think?
I think its crazy that voters arent supposed to take postseason plays into account when discussing gold gloves and silver sluggers. Sure some voters might just look at the numbers but there no way there some who watch the replays and keep track of who shows up the most all season (including postseason). And those plays matter most too so why not give them a boost
If the Yankees or the dodgers weren't going to spend, someone else going to do it. The Padres can cry about the dodgers payroll but they just paid tatis and Machado like half a billion to stay in San Diego. To say "all you have to do to win is a pay" completely undermines what the respective front offices are doing to find some of these obscure players to complete their clubs, nobody wanted to pay Enrique hernandez but the dodgers picked him up and now only he and manny ramirez have the most home runs in postseason history.
Exactly 💯
I just like the deffered payments for ohtani to this level
Realistically, given the Dodgers' pitching rotation, they shouldn't be anywhere near the WS. No Glasnow, Gonsolin, May, Kershaw. Vesia and Graterol out. For all their money, most of their defence has been decimated.
Last year’s WS should true BASEBALL fan numbers. This year is corporate WS, its Strauss vs Strauss.
So what I'm hearing is, the world series should have a big market team at all times. If you are a small market team or a team that was unlikely to be there, then nobody cares and it's bad for baseball. That certainly is a take.
I just wish this drives less games on cable networks. Only the World Series being on a local broadcast is ridiculous.
Not always, because they're about ten teams that do the same thing as you. Texas spent 200 million last year. What I can say is that being in the last ten, NEVER gets it. You have to spend SOME money