@@jishnubhatt4213 ...Look at his channel history, dude. Yes, he's tested a lot of stones. And I agree with him. Shapton stones are probably the best water stones on the market. I have the same purple 5,000 grit stone he has and have had it for close to 8 years now. Shapton stones provide sharpening on par with something like Chosera stones, which have long been touted as the greatest stones ever (they're not, they're good, but they're not the best by a long shot) while being much, much cheaper and withstanding sharpening and having a lifetime several times longer than Chosera stones. I also have to agree that the feedback on them is good. Once you're hitting the bevel and you're on the angle you want and make a few passes it's really easy to tell from the feedback on the stone when you move off angle whatsoever. You're not going to find a better stone for the price. I guarantee this. Just buy it.
@@renagenic I wonder if regional differences? I'm seeing $39.50 in Ohio, USA.. link takes me to "Shapton K0702 Blade, 1000, Medium, Orange".. sold by "GLFinc".. that's another thing.. sometimes the same Amazon product & page will come from different sellers.. same seller? Amazon's a real mess these days :/
I had so many stones, eventually I got the white Shapton stone (120 grid I tink) to repair a damaged iron from a japanese plane. I was so impressed by the performance and especially feedback that I commited to shapton stones. Did not regret it.
I definitely agree. I love this stone for my kitchen knives. It has a perfect balance of cutting ability and aggression as well as a refined edge and high sharpness. It has great feedback and cuts pretty fast.
Shapton stones are great. They can provide sharpening on par with Chosera stones and are cheaper and last several times longer than them. Definitely recommend them.
I have had this stone over a month now and really struggling to get anything sharp on it . I'm trying to sharpen some of my daughters kitchen knives, she said they were cheap so wondering if this could part be issue . I have tried all manners of techniques . Stone is constantly needing re flattened as dishes out quite rapidly . I have better success with a cheap oil stone but I so want this stone to work .
Congratulations you are on the good side of the force now, the shapton pro 1k and 5k are amazing stones you will fall in love with them, but you cant sharpen on the side with the labels on thats against the unwritten rules of japanese waterstone sharpening, and you have to open the surface of the stone when you first got them with 80-120 grit Silicon carbide powder or a atoma 140 because the shaptons have a layer of Wax or anything on it, once you flattend them the cutting speed, feedback, and finish will be much better, have fun with your stones.
You know, I was really wondering about this. I started flattening the side with the marking on it before I stopped myself and flattened the other side. What do you use as a flat surface to flatten your stones on? I just have a Norton flattening stone, and some diamond stones. Seems weird to flatten a nice stone on a cheap one, and am concerned I may damage the diamond stone if I use that.
@@jakelilevjen9766 you can use a glass plate with Silicon carbide powder on it, or atoma diamond plates the 140 works great for flattening, i didnt know the Norton flatening stone but im sure they are Silicon carbide and if the stone is flatt it should work.
I do also have a set of shapton pro! 320/1000/5000 I’m going to be getting a in between probably around 2000/3000 just to help reduce the scratches but I’ve been stone sharpening 27 years and the pros have been the best investment for my business hands down! I recommend them to everyone
Saw your video, got the Shapton 1000, watched your sharpening video since I’ve never used a whetstone. Many thanks my man ! It’s awesome. The pull through sharpener I have will be going to the garbage.
Unless you know what you're doing when it comes to sharpening a tool, it doesn't matter what stone you have. I like Arkansas stones, I've been sharpening knives for the better part of 55 years - that means I started when I was a very young girl at 10 years old. Had my first pocket knife at 8 years of age and never really had good instruction on how to sharpen the first couple years I tried. I guess around age 15 I got pretty good at it with Arkansas stones - which at the time were rated the best on the planet. I use a Lansky sharpening kit nowadays and it works great! For kitchen knives, I'd try this stone. Sounds promising and I liked the video. Well done!
I got 2 of them for $20 per at a local liquidation store, amazing find I have been nothing but happy with it and almost immediately person the melon 8000. Very much considering replacing every stone for the full shapton karumaka lineup
I agree, excellent stone, splash n go, great feedback, scratch pattern consistency , hard wearing, slow dishing, inexpensive, I actually have 2 of them, one I haven't even touched yet, I also got the 120,320,5000, and 12,000. Really a good recommendation.
@@Richeeki 1000 without any hesitation. It does it all. It's actually coarse enough, that you can establish a new apex - which logically takes longer than on a coarser stone like the 120, 220, 320 (which btw dish out a lot more than the 1000 and won't last as long). And you can use it to get the edge to final form so that it is razor sharp or maintain the blade. It's all in the technique. If I could get only one stone, it's the Shapton Pro 1000.
all of those are excellent choices. You are only missing the 2k, that's the only thing you're "missing" out on. That might be the stone in the line. The 8k is superfluous if you have the 12k, you don't need both. The 220 is also a SIC stone like the 320, but the 320 is a much better overall stone. Night and day actually. Very limited use for the 220, I don't enjoy using it. The 120 on the other hand is white alumna and it's a beast for course grinding. I am a stone addict, have lost count.
This along with a 5000 are my only 2 stones. I hear that the 1000 is more like a 800 compared to it's other Japanese competition but I think it's great. I ditched all my Apex clone/counterfeit systems and stones and now hard sharper on these. Still not the best yet at it
Thank you for letting people know, and for risking yet another "great" stone purchase on your own, for our benefit. I've been debating on my next one to help finish things after my 600 diamond and was holding out for ceramic, but this just may fit the bill for now. Up to $42 now, 2 days after posting.
when I see these comments it always makes me feel like I an insane for owning a literally crate full of whetstones. Everyones like yeah I've been debating adding a second stone for a year now. I'm like oh yeah? haha cool. I sure hope they don't find out I added 8 more stones to my collection in that time.
@@jeffhicks8428 this is the guy I'm aspiring to be.. do you have all the nano hone stones? Or the stigmas? Have you ever heard of a stone with a carbon fiber backing plate like the shapton glass stones, I wanted to say they were called titans or something but I don't recall they have a very light almost "foamy" consistency. How bout the naniwa diamond stones or the venev diamond resin stones?.. I'm curious.. I'm Def trying to level up to "Crate 'O' whetstones" as soon as humanly possible .
Thanks for the great video! Off the back of this I actually ordered one of these and I've begun my knife sharpening journey. A quick question, I usually go away with some friends in the summer and have bbqs, I assume the rules for sharpening long bbq blades are the same as those for sharpening small ones?
Thank you so much for your videos! You really helped me sort through the BS of this market and not make a mistake as a beginner. The world needs more people like you.
I do not recommend using it for knives with DLC coating, since they really damage the stone and you better consider diamond plate for them. In all other cases - the best stone I ever tried! I definitely recommend it.
Excellent heads up on a good stone; been wanting a “travel stone” but torn on which. Tip to new users: always rotate and flip your stones often and “dishing” will happen more slowly on any stone 👍
I purchased this exact stone (1000 grit) some 8ish years ago to be the stone I learned on, with the intention of buying a "fancier" stone/more grits once I was sharpening reliably on it. Well, I never bothered "upgrading", probably never will. I use it several times a month. This stone (with some help from a leather strop) has kept all of my kitchen knives, outdoor knives, and axes sharp for years and will continue to do so for a LONG time. I have flattened it maybe twice over the years with some sandpaper. For the price it's actually silly how good these stones are. I've used MUCH more expensive stones of all kinds, and this thing goes toe to toe with any of 'em.
im a chef with a variety of knives ranging from custom murray carter knifes to wusthofs which are my daily drivers, and if i had to have only one stone for all it would be this bad larry. however mine is developing a belly after almost 5 years of heavy use.
You sold me on the Shapton Kuromaku, I ordered the Shapton Kuromaku 2000 yesterday, and plan on getting the 5000 next month. I also already have the large 8"x3" sharpal dule grit diamond plate, can the Sharpal plate be used as a lapping/ flattening stone for the Shapton Kuromaku Ceramic wet stones? If yes do I use the 325 grit or the 1200 grit side? Fallowing your channel and product advice has caused my sharpening skills to increase dramatically, Thank you.
I got the 12k that I use with my hand plane blades and chisels. Great stone. I'll need a 1K soon since my old Norton 1k is much softer and has limited life left. Thanks for the review.
So often do you need to flatten the Shapton Kuromaku? And how much is a stone to flatten it? Isnt it just as expensive as a diamond stone? Im curious also... if you only have DMT dia stone fine.. can you use that to flatten a Shapton??
Years ago you said something similar about the Spiderco 302M and I bought it. My first stone, actually. I was very disappointed that it glazed so easily and seemingly irreversibly. Lapping it with a diamond plate improved things slightly. I put it on my list of expensive disappointments.... ....until I found a video that explains how the stone must be "conditioned" with loose SiC (silicon carbide) at around 100-120 grit and then used with mineral oil instead of water. It's actually a great stone now that I know how to keep it aggressive.
I was thinking for long time to buy a Wheatstone, and just got these one follow yours video(it's somehow sneak out to my YT). It works nice, but need to learn a lot still. Overall I'm enjoying it a lot, and are suprpised how dull Knifes I was using till now. Thank you much for being clear, and with all of that knowledge still be yourself, instead of cooky gut who think that knows all best!
This is a good stone. But, I have followed Rob Cosman's recommendations for sharpening wood plane irons and found spectacular results. A 1000 grit Trend diamond stone followed by a polish with a 23000 grit Shapton ceramic stone. Mirror finish on the cutting edge and amazingly sharp plane irons, chisels, lathe tools and any knife. The two stage process is the fastest because you're reshaping with the 1000 grit and polishing with the 23000. A moderately dull knife can be sharpened in 1.5 minutes and the edge will hold for a long time (depending on the steel).
Hey thanks so much wasnt specifically looking for a stone revirw today but have been trying to find a good reasonable priced one and yiur video came out at just the right time. Appreciate it
Just found your channel and am enjoying your videos. I've been using Spyderco ceramic benchstones ever since they came out (med, fine, extra fine) and I noticed you gave a positive review to the med Spyderco ceramic stone 5 years ago. How do you compare the Shapton stones to the Spyderco stones?
I usually hate everything. But I agree with this. Its one and done for kitchen stuff. Lapping film on glass floats for folders. As it keeps grit out of my action. And film is cheap relative
I agree with everything you said. I haven't tried one of the Shaptons but every review from a trustworthy source says basically what you said during the review ( I also take you to be a trustworthy source). That said I went with Naniwa as my first choice for professional whetstones and I was blown away right from the start with their performance as well. I will be buying Shaptons in the future to try them too, especially after your review. Great video as always !
I have almost every stone either brand makes and it makes little difference for most uses. If anything the chosera is more versatile in that it does better on the wide bevels of traditional Japanese knives. The shapon pros in particular are known for being the hardest and slowest wearing stones while still working very good. The naniwa chosera are more friable and honestly do leave a better scratch pattern but it's irrelevant unless you're doing something other than edges. In fact for doing edges on normal steels I'd prefer the shapton pros most of the time. it's largely a matter of preference, one isn't better than the other.
Good review! I went on Amazon and checked the price and it’s up over $53.00 already (on Black Friday, when most sellers are discounting items), so I’ll stick with my Sharpmaker for a while longer.
5:56 I ended up buying this stone after watching one of your other videos and absolutely love it. Cheers for the info! Although in just wondering what to flatten it with? I bought those cheap Chinese ones off Amazon and got a flattening stone with them, can I use that flattening stone? The cheap stones are going in the bin soon so just want to check before I chuck them all.
I've watched a lot of your videos and recently bought a set of M, F & UF Spyderco stones due (in part) to your review of them. I was wondering how you feel these compare to each other. Thanks. And, I hope the house repairs are going well.
The spiderco are rebranded Norton Ascent ceramics. They are good but they are only for limited uses. These are for general uses and can do a lot more. These stones are almost as hard as those Norton ascent ceramics but it's not the same thing.
CNC carbide turning inserts work well at sharpening knives in the field. Although, you move the small insert instead of the knife and the angle is hard to keep. You also have to be carefull because your fingers are close to the blade.
I own both the 1000 and the 5000 and both are great. I also own the 1500 and 220 which i don’t like, too soft, dishes out like crazy and the slurry is good for a mud fight. The 1500 is ok, overlaps a lot with the 1000 which makes it unnecessary imho. I want to try the Shapton Pro 120 or the Shapton Glass 120, if you have any feedback on those, let me know please. Cheers
Thanks a lot for this great review! I got a chef's knife from my parents but it doesn't cut well, so I'm considering buying this sharpening stone. On another note, I would have liked it if your disclaimer mentioned that you earn money through an affiliate link, so you benefit financially from making people buy this product. I'm sure you're honest and I'm not against supporting you financially indirectly in this way, plus many comments agree with you! But I would have liked a bit more transparency. At least you mention it in the description, but it's easy to miss and your disclaimer, although technically true, leads us to believe that there's absolutely no conflict of interest.
The disclaimer is there under the links. Not sure how much more transparency one needs. I mean in the title it says "not sponsored". So not only is it in the description its in the TITLE. And the disclaimer in the beginning 😂That means I bought everything with my own money. I literally couldn't BE any more transparent 😂
I've just watched your video (from about 5 years ago) about sharpening recurve blades, because a couple of my old kitchen knives are slightly recurved from too many encounters with the steel. In that video, you demonstrated using the edge of a Norton stone, but warned against the risk of rounding that edge, or chipping the stone or blade with anything more than the lightest pressure. You also briefly mentioned using a narrow stone, about 1/2" wide. How about using a Shapton standing on its side? Being a single grit (unlike the Norton), it seems like the side is as good as the face for sharpening. Using the side should also be less likely to round the edge, as well as reducing the need for super light pressure. Obviously you'd need something to hold the stone in its side, but that's easy enough. Anyway, that's my bright idea idea for today. I'm happy for folk to shoot it down, try it, debunk it, or whatever. BTW, I ordered a Shapton as soon as I'd watched the video, and I'm really pleased with it, so thank you!
I have two more shapton coming so im all in at this point😉 Its a great stone for the money for sure. I think you're still going to get some corner rounding, which could inhibit your Sharpening, depending on the type of knives that you sharpen but at some point in order to sharpen a recurve, you're gonna need to use the edge of the stone. So it is what ot is haha.
After spending a lot of money on crappy stones I purchased the Shapton 1000 grit. However my problem remins that I cannot get the angle right and my knives turn duller than when I start. For this reason I went for electric sharpeners and that was not successful because after a while the discs lost their grit and the company would not sell replacement discs. Now I am trying belt sharpener by work sharp. Thank you for an excellent video as always.
Sounds like you're spending a good deal of money on sharpening tools. If that's the case, might I suggest a good angle control system like the TSPROF Kadet Pro? That should solve all your consistency issues. It ain't cheap, but at this rate, you will soon have spent more on the myriad of cheap solutions that don't work for you. But if it's still too much, I've heard the KME Precision Knife Sharpening System is pretty decent, too, and costs less than a half of the TSPROF.
Thanks! I was just looking for a new sharpening setup and came across your channel. I'm a fan. You had me just about to pull the trigger on a diamond plate and then you released this video. I ordered the 1000 and the 5000, plus a double-sided strop with 5 and 1 micron diamond paste. I'm thinking I'll be pretty much set for all of my needs. Thanks!
Oh yeah thats a great setup. Only thing id add for the COMPLETE line is a coarse diamond for reprofiling or chip removal. But if ypu keep up with your sharpening that wouldn't be an issue. I just ordered the 2k shapton as well. Ill end up with the complete line at some point. They really are great for the money.👍👊
I have a couple reprofiling options. I considered the 2000, especially at $24, then talked myself out of it, and then when I talked myself back into it the price jumped to $42. I'll wait for your review to see just how essential it is (while I keep watching for a price drop).
Ive been looking out for these for while too and saw good deals. Fantastic timing since I need a new set of stones and always wanted to try ceramic. How do u actually flatten these stones if it wears out so slow? Will the process be a pain in the ass and will ot require a diamond plate? What flattening stone will work?
THANK YOU for sharing the link. I was searching for these on amazon and despite searching multiple times for some reason it never showed me the one you have linked as an option. The only ones I saw were in a two pack and ones that wouldn't come for 3 weeks. (Also thank you for the great review)
I am glad to have found a video on the whetstone I just bought that was highly recommended by Reddit! You mentioned it might need some flattening once in awhile, what do you recomend? I am a novice and just use my stone a handful of times throughout the year (Might be more once this Shapton gets delivered), would I need to flatten once a year or as needed if I feel uneveness? Thank you and awesome video covering many things!
Welp, you’re the cause of yet another stone to my collection, and being $40 down.. haha, i’ve been looking for an excuse to get it anyway. I have the 1500 kuromaku so I dont really NEED the 1000. Even though the 1500 cuts quick, its just too smooth and slippery to be a mid grade stone. Thanks! Cant wait for the 1k
I jumped on one of those 2 years ago off Amazon when the price dropped. I love that stone. If I didn’t already have a Shapton Glass 6k I would pick up the 5000 as well.
I really like the 5k but the jump from 1k to 5k is too much if your looking for scratch refinement. I can get almost hair whittling jumping right from the 1k to the 5k with no stropping so its an awesome stone for the money.
@@OUTDOORS55 Like I wrote in my own comment I have the Shapton Pro 1K, 2K and 5K. First I thought the 2K was redundant somehow, but it is necessary exactly for the aplication of scratch refinement. Reground some of my scandies to scandi-vex going 1K -> 2K -> 5K and the 2K step was really nice to have for the scratch removal alone.
I have the shapton 1500 and it’s great. I use that at work when I need a refreshing a the knife.. I have a naniwa chosera 400, and I have the doubt about buy this stone .. I use the 400 when I have to re profile the knife.. what u think about this 1000 can help me at work or if I have the 400 and 1500 I don’t need?
Thanks for the recommendation. I've got one of the DMT diamond plates and I've managed to get some good results from it but I honestly don't like using it much because there's no feedback, or at least I don't notice it. Half the time I have difficulty telling if it's even working until I test the edge with my finger. Snagged one of these stones while there was only a few left at about $40. Hope it feels better. 👍
Here in canada they have the 1000/5000 combo on sale for $120 and the 320 on sale for $58... just made my order... my current progression is a 400grit diamond plate, to a 1000/6000 king stone and it works wonders, but my king stone is almost all worn and want to step up my quality.. $200 for 3 stones seems expensive, but from what im hearing, they ahould last the rest of my life
Oh boy, the floodgates have opened for the rest of the Shaptons, the Naniwas, and the Suehiros and the like. Right now, Amazon US (I'm from PA) has the Naniwa Green brick of joy for $58 and the Arata series (basically Chosera in a 15mm format, same as Shaptons) at similar prices to the Shapton Kuromaku line.
I have a few of the Shapton glass stones and they are also very nice. Shapton seem to be a company that aims to deliver high quality and I will buy more stones from them in the future. The plan is to retire my Trend diamond 300/1000 and the very messy but buttery smooth Minosharp 1000/8000 and replace them with Shapton glass.
I use a Kuromako 320 to reestablish the apex on damaged knives, but the Shapton Glass 1000 and 6000 for the medium and fine polish. Quick strop with the green compound and I'm done.
I have the chance to get the shapton glass 1000 for 50 bucks, would this be a good one trick pony for a sharpening setup with a good edge compared to this korumaku 1000? thanks!
@@ezbakeovenhands I only have experience with the shapton glass and I think that they are great. You can't go wrong with a shapton glass stone and $50 is a great price that is hard to pass on. From what I hear the difference between the glass and the korumaku lines are minimal the main difference is that the glass stones are a bit harder and wears a bit slower. Either stone will serve you very well. Having only a 1000 grit is a bit fine in my opinion. If you have a dull knife it will take a lot of effort to grind away enough metal to make an apex with a 1000. I would recommend something in the range of 200-400 as a first stone to establish the edge and go to a 1000 to refine it. I have a glass 220 that literally gives me an apex on a pretty dull knife in less than 10 strokes on each side. Unless you have a strong urge for a pretty mirror polish a 220, 1000, and a strop is enough for a very sharp working edge.
I came across your videos recently as I’m trying to learn to sharpen knives again. I was planning to get a tri-stone set like work sharp or Smith then I saw this video. Now I’m not sure which route to go.
All you need is 250, 1000 and 3000 stone. To restore, sharpen and finish. I use Naniwa for all my knives, happy with them, Shapton seems to be an option too. I was mostly disappointed with other purchases... Better the knife, harder the work!
Venev stones are better that being stated I also bought the shapton pro line and it’s good enough the venev is more for a mirror finish the f800/f1200 are more like 2k and 6k whetstones.
Where I am in Germany the shapton glass 1000 is 30 dollars cheaper than this stone on amazon...for 50 bucks for the glass, would this be ok for a 1 stone setup? I move a lot so looking to go minimum but with a good end result. Thanks!
Hey. Thank you for excellent videos. I have bought a set of shapton stones now. 320 1500 and 5000. Is there a lot of difference between 1000 and 1500 or will they do more or less the same job? The 1000 was completely sold out.
If you think the shapton 1000 is good wait until you try a chosera. The shapton stones run coarse and the chosera stones run fine. Chosera 400 is pretty similar to the shapton 1000, just a little coarser. Chosera 800 and 1000 are excellent stones. Fantastic feedback. None of them can replace diamond stones though. Neither the shapton or chosera stones cut high carbide steels efficiently.
Link to this stone and the one I compared it to in the description. Thanks for watching, really appreciate it!
Have you tested many stones? And this is the one you've found to be the best?
@@jishnubhatt4213
...Look at his channel history, dude. Yes, he's tested a lot of stones.
And I agree with him. Shapton stones are probably the best water stones on the market. I have the same purple 5,000 grit stone he has and have had it for close to 8 years now. Shapton stones provide sharpening on par with something like Chosera stones, which have long been touted as the greatest stones ever (they're not, they're good, but they're not the best by a long shot) while being much, much cheaper and withstanding sharpening and having a lifetime several times longer than Chosera stones. I also have to agree that the feedback on them is good. Once you're hitting the bevel and you're on the angle you want and make a few passes it's really easy to tell from the feedback on the stone when you move off angle whatsoever.
You're not going to find a better stone for the price. I guarantee this. Just buy it.
@jishnubhatt4214 I have a whole drawer full of stones, some good, some bad, some REALLY bad, and some great. These are great 👍
Yup, it's already 60 USDollars
@@renagenic I wonder if regional differences? I'm seeing $39.50 in Ohio, USA.. link takes me to "Shapton K0702 Blade, 1000, Medium, Orange".. sold by "GLFinc".. that's another thing.. sometimes the same Amazon product & page will come from different sellers.. same seller? Amazon's a real mess these days :/
I had so many stones, eventually I got the white Shapton stone (120 grid I tink) to repair a damaged iron from a japanese plane. I was so impressed by the performance and especially feedback that I commited to shapton stones. Did not regret it.
I definitely agree. I love this stone for my kitchen knives. It has a perfect balance of cutting ability and aggression as well as a refined edge and high sharpness. It has great feedback and cuts pretty fast.
Shapton stones are great. They can provide sharpening on par with Chosera stones and are cheaper and last several times longer than them. Definitely recommend them.
I have had this stone over a month now and really struggling to get anything sharp on it . I'm trying to sharpen some of my daughters kitchen knives, she said they were cheap so wondering if this could part be issue . I have tried all manners of techniques . Stone is constantly needing re flattened as dishes out quite rapidly . I have better success with a cheap oil stone but I so want this stone to work .
Congratulations you are on the good side of the force now, the shapton pro 1k and 5k are amazing stones you will fall in love with them, but you cant sharpen on the side with the labels on thats against the unwritten rules of japanese waterstone sharpening, and you have to open the surface of the stone when you first got them with 80-120 grit Silicon carbide powder or a atoma 140 because the shaptons have a layer of Wax or anything on it, once you flattend them the cutting speed, feedback, and finish will be much better, have fun with your stones.
You know, I was really wondering about this. I started flattening the side with the marking on it before I stopped myself and flattened the other side. What do you use as a flat surface to flatten your stones on? I just have a Norton flattening stone, and some diamond stones. Seems weird to flatten a nice stone on a cheap one, and am concerned I may damage the diamond stone if I use that.
@@jakelilevjen9766 you can use a glass plate with Silicon carbide powder on it, or atoma diamond plates the 140 works great for flattening, i didnt know the Norton flatening stone but im sure they are Silicon carbide and if the stone is flatt it should work.
just got mine, first time sharpening and don’t understand what you meant
@TheOtherThing
Just sharpen on the other side of the stone. Flip it and use the side with no print or labelling.
It's a tool, not a jewel
I do also have a set of shapton pro! 320/1000/5000 I’m going to be getting a in between probably around 2000/3000 just to help reduce the scratches but I’ve been stone sharpening 27 years and the pros have been the best investment for my business hands down! I recommend them to everyone
I absolutely love Shapton, quality products that perform fantastically well
At a very reasonable price as well👍
Saw your video, got the Shapton 1000, watched your sharpening video since I’ve never used a whetstone. Many thanks my man ! It’s awesome. The pull through sharpener I have will be going to the garbage.
Would you consider donating the pull sharpener or giving it to one of your friends?
Unless you know what you're doing when it comes to sharpening a tool, it doesn't matter what stone you have. I like Arkansas stones, I've been sharpening knives for the better part of 55 years - that means I started when I was a very young girl at 10 years old. Had my first pocket knife at 8 years of age and never really had good instruction on how to sharpen the first couple years I tried. I guess around age 15 I got pretty good at it with Arkansas stones - which at the time were rated the best on the planet. I use a Lansky sharpening kit nowadays and it works great! For kitchen knives, I'd try this stone. Sounds promising and I liked the video. Well done!
What do you think about the spyderco ceramic stones? How do they compare or fit in?
my daughter got me one and haven't used it yet. I wanted to watch your video first. great video . thanks
Exact video I’ve been looking for. Glad I found your channel this week 😀
I got 2 of them for $20 per at a local liquidation store, amazing find I have been nothing but happy with it and almost immediately person the melon 8000. Very much considering replacing every stone for the full shapton karumaka lineup
Love the Kuromaku and the Shapton Glass.
I agree, excellent stone, splash n go, great feedback, scratch pattern consistency , hard wearing, slow dishing, inexpensive, I actually have 2 of them, one I haven't even touched yet, I also got the 120,320,5000, and 12,000. Really a good recommendation.
This looks like something exactly for my needs. Do you know the difference between Kuromaku and Kuromaku PRO?
@@ayasugihada The Kuromaku stones are the Pro's. There are no non-pro Kuromaku.
If I am buying the grits one at a time which grit would you recommend I start with?
@@Richeeki 1000 without any hesitation. It does it all. It's actually coarse enough, that you can establish a new apex - which logically takes longer than on a coarser stone like the 120, 220, 320 (which btw dish out a lot more than the 1000 and won't last as long). And you can use it to get the edge to final form so that it is razor sharp or maintain the blade. It's all in the technique. If I could get only one stone, it's the Shapton Pro 1000.
all of those are excellent choices. You are only missing the 2k, that's the only thing you're "missing" out on. That might be the stone in the line. The 8k is superfluous if you have the 12k, you don't need both. The 220 is also a SIC stone like the 320, but the 320 is a much better overall stone. Night and day actually. Very limited use for the 220, I don't enjoy using it. The 120 on the other hand is white alumna and it's a beast for course grinding. I am a stone addict, have lost count.
This along with a 5000 are my only 2 stones. I hear that the 1000 is more like a 800 compared to it's other Japanese competition but I think it's great. I ditched all my Apex clone/counterfeit systems and stones and now hard sharper on these. Still not the best yet at it
Thank you for letting people know, and for risking yet another "great" stone purchase on your own, for our benefit.
I've been debating on my next one to help finish things after my 600 diamond and was holding out for ceramic, but this just may fit the bill for now.
Up to $42 now, 2 days after posting.
Id definitely consider thos from a 600 diamond.. it might be pushing it to go with the 2000k.
when I see these comments it always makes me feel like I an insane for owning a literally crate full of whetstones. Everyones like yeah I've been debating adding a second stone for a year now. I'm like oh yeah? haha cool. I sure hope they don't find out I added 8 more stones to my collection in that time.
@@jeffhicks8428 this is the guy I'm aspiring to be.. do you have all the nano hone stones? Or the stigmas? Have you ever heard of a stone with a carbon fiber backing plate like the shapton glass stones, I wanted to say they were called titans or something but I don't recall they have a very light almost "foamy" consistency. How bout the naniwa diamond stones or the venev diamond resin stones?.. I'm curious.. I'm Def trying to level up to "Crate 'O' whetstones" as soon as humanly possible .
YES!! Finally you get to the Japanese synthetics, dont forget to review a Naniwa pro 1000
Had one for years... Great stone. Use it for Chisels and knives.
Thanks for the great video! Off the back of this I actually ordered one of these and I've begun my knife sharpening journey.
A quick question, I usually go away with some friends in the summer and have bbqs, I assume the rules for sharpening long bbq blades are the same as those for sharpening small ones?
Thank you so much for your videos! You really helped me sort through the BS of this market and not make a mistake as a beginner. The world needs more people like you.
I do not recommend using it for knives with DLC coating, since they really damage the stone and you better consider diamond plate for them. In all other cases - the best stone I ever tried! I definitely recommend it.
Excellent heads up on a good stone; been wanting a “travel stone” but torn on which. Tip to new users: always rotate and flip your stones often and “dishing” will happen more slowly on any stone 👍
How does this guy compare to the Spyderco Medium and Fine bench stones?
I like this better than the spyderco med. it's about the same grit but nicer to use. The fine amd ultra fine are more for polishing imo.
I love this stone. I've been using it for about 5 years
I purchased this exact stone (1000 grit) some 8ish years ago to be the stone I learned on, with the intention of buying a "fancier" stone/more grits once I was sharpening reliably on it.
Well, I never bothered "upgrading", probably never will. I use it several times a month. This stone (with some help from a leather strop) has kept all of my kitchen knives, outdoor knives, and axes sharp for years and will continue to do so for a LONG time. I have flattened it maybe twice over the years with some sandpaper.
For the price it's actually silly how good these stones are. I've used MUCH more expensive stones of all kinds, and this thing goes toe to toe with any of 'em.
Which grit did you use for flattening?
Thanks for the tip ;)
I used 100 and 400 grit wet/dry stuff. Super easy! @@alexbr82
im a chef with a variety of knives ranging from custom murray carter knifes to wusthofs which are my daily drivers, and if i had to have only one stone for all it would be this bad larry. however mine is developing a belly after almost 5 years of heavy use.
Excellent review! You managed to be detailed while also being concise.
I got my dad that same buck for fathers day, also gave him a spyderco and a nice kershaw later on but he loves that buck.
You sold me on the Shapton Kuromaku, I ordered the Shapton Kuromaku 2000 yesterday, and plan on getting the 5000 next month.
I also already have the large 8"x3" sharpal dule grit diamond plate, can the Sharpal plate be used as a lapping/ flattening stone for the Shapton Kuromaku Ceramic wet stones? If yes do I use the 325 grit or the 1200 grit side?
Fallowing your channel and product advice has caused my sharpening skills to increase dramatically, Thank you.
Thanks for your review! I’m new to sharpening knives so your video is helpful. I cook a lot and I’m tired of dull knives! I’ll give this a try
I got the 12k that I use with my hand plane blades and chisels. Great stone. I'll need a 1K soon since my old Norton 1k is much softer and has limited life left. Thanks for the review.
Hanging fire on a diamond stone, I jumped on this. Thanks for the ref.
So often do you need to flatten the Shapton Kuromaku? And how much is a stone to flatten it? Isnt it just as expensive as a diamond stone? Im curious also... if you only have DMT dia stone fine.. can you use that to flatten a Shapton??
I just received mine and I think I’ll go ahead and buy a backup and a higher grit too
Years ago you said something similar about the Spiderco 302M and I bought it.
My first stone, actually.
I was very disappointed that it glazed so easily and seemingly irreversibly. Lapping it with a diamond plate improved things slightly.
I put it on my list of expensive disappointments....
....until I found a video that explains how the stone must be "conditioned" with loose SiC (silicon carbide) at around 100-120 grit and then used with mineral oil instead of water.
It's actually a great stone now that I know how to keep it aggressive.
Great videos. What’s your technique for flattening these stones?
I saw the Shapton glass 500 for under 36 bucks and had to get another.
They are normally about 55 bucks.
I was thinking for long time to buy a Wheatstone, and just got these one follow yours video(it's somehow sneak out to my YT). It works nice, but need to learn a lot still. Overall I'm enjoying it a lot, and are suprpised how dull Knifes I was using till now. Thank you much for being clear, and with all of that knowledge still be yourself, instead of cooky gut who think that knows all best!
This is a good stone. But, I have followed Rob Cosman's recommendations for sharpening wood plane irons and found spectacular results. A 1000 grit Trend diamond stone followed by a polish with a 23000 grit Shapton ceramic stone. Mirror finish on the cutting edge and amazingly sharp plane irons, chisels, lathe tools and any knife. The two stage process is the fastest because you're reshaping with the 1000 grit and polishing with the 23000. A moderately dull knife can be sharpened in 1.5 minutes and the edge will hold for a long time (depending on the steel).
I use lapping oil on my 320, works great.
Hey thanks so much wasnt specifically looking for a stone revirw today but have been trying to find a good reasonable priced one and yiur video came out at just the right time. Appreciate it
I have some of the shity chinese ones lol but at leaset the set has a stand I can use for this
Awesome video Alex. Thanks for showing this. Hope all is well and everything with this house is good. Keep up the good work brothee
Just found your channel and am enjoying your videos. I've been using Spyderco ceramic benchstones ever since they came out (med, fine, extra fine) and I noticed you gave a positive review to the med Spyderco ceramic stone 5 years ago. How do you compare the Shapton stones to the Spyderco stones?
Snagged on sale after watching them for almost a year. Stoked to give it a go.
I usually hate everything. But I agree with this. Its one and done for kitchen stuff. Lapping film on glass floats for folders. As it keeps grit out of my action. And film is cheap relative
Awesome! Looks like a great deal. Shapton stones are generally very good.
I agree with everything you said. I haven't tried one of the Shaptons but every review from a trustworthy source says basically what you said during the review ( I also take you to be a trustworthy source). That said I went with Naniwa as my first choice for professional whetstones and I was blown away right from the start with their performance as well. I will be buying Shaptons in the future to try them too, especially after your review. Great video as always !
Im working my way throuthe shaptons and once complete ill move on to the naniwa. Looking forward to it🙂
I have almost every stone either brand makes and it makes little difference for most uses. If anything the chosera is more versatile in that it does better on the wide bevels of traditional Japanese knives. The shapon pros in particular are known for being the hardest and slowest wearing stones while still working very good. The naniwa chosera are more friable and honestly do leave a better scratch pattern but it's irrelevant unless you're doing something other than edges. In fact for doing edges on normal steels I'd prefer the shapton pros most of the time. it's largely a matter of preference, one isn't better than the other.
Good review! I went on Amazon and checked the price and it’s up over $53.00 already (on Black Friday, when most sellers are discounting items), so I’ll stick with my Sharpmaker for a while longer.
It says $39 still for me. I believe its a regional thing. Its well worth $53 imo🙂
Amazon search is broken. Use the link and it’s $39. If I try to search they only serve up multi-stone combos or more expensive versions.
5:56 I ended up buying this stone after watching one of your other videos and absolutely love it. Cheers for the info! Although in just wondering what to flatten it with? I bought those cheap Chinese ones off Amazon and got a flattening stone with them, can I use that flattening stone? The cheap stones are going in the bin soon so just want to check before I chuck them all.
Thanks for the video and the recommendation.
I've watched a lot of your videos and recently bought a set of M, F & UF Spyderco stones due (in part) to your review of them.
I was wondering how you feel these compare to each other.
Thanks.
And, I hope the house repairs are going well.
The spiderco are rebranded Norton Ascent ceramics. They are good but they are only for limited uses. These are for general uses and can do a lot more. These stones are almost as hard as those Norton ascent ceramics but it's not the same thing.
Love mine, since I only sharpen my own knives Ive had the same one since 2017.
Thanks Alex, ordering 1 now. Stay safe up there!
CNC carbide turning inserts work well at sharpening knives in the field. Although, you move the small insert instead of the knife and the angle is hard to keep. You also have to be carefull because your fingers are close to the blade.
I own both the 1000 and the 5000 and both are great. I also own the 1500 and 220 which i don’t like, too soft, dishes out like crazy and the slurry is good for a mud fight. The 1500 is ok, overlaps a lot with the 1000 which makes it unnecessary imho. I want to try the Shapton Pro 120 or the Shapton Glass 120, if you have any feedback on those, let me know please.
Cheers
Thanks a lot for this great review! I got a chef's knife from my parents but it doesn't cut well, so I'm considering buying this sharpening stone.
On another note, I would have liked it if your disclaimer mentioned that you earn money through an affiliate link, so you benefit financially from making people buy this product. I'm sure you're honest and I'm not against supporting you financially indirectly in this way, plus many comments agree with you! But I would have liked a bit more transparency.
At least you mention it in the description, but it's easy to miss and your disclaimer, although technically true, leads us to believe that there's absolutely no conflict of interest.
The disclaimer is there under the links. Not sure how much more transparency one needs. I mean in the title it says "not sponsored". So not only is it in the description its in the TITLE. And the disclaimer in the beginning 😂That means I bought everything with my own money. I literally couldn't BE any more transparent 😂
I've just watched your video (from about 5 years ago) about sharpening recurve blades, because a couple of my old kitchen knives are slightly recurved from too many encounters with the steel.
In that video, you demonstrated using the edge of a Norton stone, but warned against the risk of rounding that edge, or chipping the stone or blade with anything more than the lightest pressure.
You also briefly mentioned using a narrow stone, about 1/2" wide. How about using a Shapton standing on its side? Being a single grit (unlike the Norton), it seems like the side is as good as the face for sharpening. Using the side should also be less likely to round the edge, as well as reducing the need for super light pressure.
Obviously you'd need something to hold the stone in its side, but that's easy enough.
Anyway, that's my bright idea idea for today. I'm happy for folk to shoot it down, try it, debunk it, or whatever.
BTW, I ordered a Shapton as soon as I'd watched the video, and I'm really pleased with it, so thank you!
I have two more shapton coming so im all in at this point😉 Its a great stone for the money for sure. I think you're still going to get some corner rounding, which could inhibit your Sharpening, depending on the type of knives that you sharpen but at some point in order to sharpen a recurve, you're gonna need to use the edge of the stone. So it is what ot is haha.
Appreciate the tip. I need to upgrade my sharpening equipment.
After spending a lot of money on crappy stones I purchased the Shapton 1000 grit. However my problem remins that I cannot get the angle right and my knives turn duller than when I start. For this reason I went for electric sharpeners and that was not successful because after a while the discs lost their grit and the company would not sell replacement discs. Now I am trying belt sharpener by work sharp. Thank you for an excellent video as always.
Sounds like you're spending a good deal of money on sharpening tools. If that's the case, might I suggest a good angle control system like the TSPROF Kadet Pro?
That should solve all your consistency issues. It ain't cheap, but at this rate, you will soon have spent more on the myriad of cheap solutions that don't work for you.
But if it's still too much, I've heard the KME Precision Knife Sharpening System is pretty decent, too, and costs less than a half of the TSPROF.
Thanks! I was just looking for a new sharpening setup and came across your channel. I'm a fan. You had me just about to pull the trigger on a diamond plate and then you released this video.
I ordered the 1000 and the 5000, plus a double-sided strop with 5 and 1 micron diamond paste. I'm thinking I'll be pretty much set for all of my needs. Thanks!
Oh yeah thats a great setup. Only thing id add for the COMPLETE line is a coarse diamond for reprofiling or chip removal. But if ypu keep up with your sharpening that wouldn't be an issue. I just ordered the 2k shapton as well. Ill end up with the complete line at some point. They really are great for the money.👍👊
I have a couple reprofiling options. I considered the 2000, especially at $24, then talked myself out of it, and then when I talked myself back into it the price jumped to $42. I'll wait for your review to see just how essential it is (while I keep watching for a price drop).
Ive been looking out for these for while too and saw good deals. Fantastic timing since I need a new set of stones and always wanted to try ceramic.
How do u actually flatten these stones if it wears out so slow? Will the process be a pain in the ass and will ot require a diamond plate? What flattening stone will work?
Great info. Nothing beats a sharp blade!
THANK YOU for sharing the link. I was searching for these on amazon and despite searching multiple times for some reason it never showed me the one you have linked as an option. The only ones I saw were in a two pack and ones that wouldn't come for 3 weeks. (Also thank you for the great review)
I believe they removed it from the search for some reason 🤷♂️
@@OUTDOORS55 the other ones are more expensive. So my guess is money lol
I am glad to have found a video on the whetstone I just bought that was highly recommended by Reddit! You mentioned it might need some flattening once in awhile, what do you recomend? I am a novice and just use my stone a handful of times throughout the year (Might be more once this Shapton gets delivered), would I need to flatten once a year or as needed if I feel uneveness? Thank you and awesome video covering many things!
Looks like all you need is some good sand paper to flatten the stone. Probably just just once every couple of years.
Welp, you’re the cause of yet another stone to my collection, and being $40 down.. haha, i’ve been looking for an excuse to get it anyway. I have the 1500 kuromaku so I dont really NEED the 1000. Even though the 1500 cuts quick, its just too smooth and slippery to be a mid grade stone. Thanks! Cant wait for the 1k
I jumped on one of those 2 years ago off Amazon when the price dropped. I love that stone. If I didn’t already have a Shapton Glass 6k I would pick up the 5000 as well.
I really like the 5k but the jump from 1k to 5k is too much if your looking for scratch refinement. I can get almost hair whittling jumping right from the 1k to the 5k with no stropping so its an awesome stone for the money.
@@OUTDOORS55 Like I wrote in my own comment I have the Shapton Pro 1K, 2K and 5K. First I thought the 2K was redundant somehow, but it is necessary exactly for the aplication of scratch refinement. Reground some of my scandies to scandi-vex going 1K -> 2K -> 5K and the 2K step was really nice to have for the scratch removal alone.
Just ordered, thanks for your review!
I use a suehiro cerax 1000 and I've really enjoyed it. But i was looking at getting a shapton 320 for edges that need a little more work.
The 320 is on my list as well. 👍
hmm.. Shapton Kuromaku 1000 or the Spyderco Benchstone Medium 302M? I'm a beginner.
Shapton 👍
Just re-found this channel after quite a bit of searching and I'm pretty pumped. Is that even wood?
I have the shapton 1500 and it’s great. I use that at work when I need a refreshing a the knife.. I have a naniwa chosera 400, and I have the doubt about buy this stone .. I use the 400 when I have to re profile the knife.. what u think about this 1000 can help me at work or if I have the 400 and 1500 I don’t need?
I’ve heard the blue black is amazing as well
I have used a Shapton 12k on my straight razors for years, I swear they get a little bit sharper every time I hone them.
What are your thoughts on D2 steel blades, other than rusting? Is it a good steel for a EDC knife?
I would like to know what he thinks about them too.
I personally don't own any d2. With a quality heat treatment theres no bad steel.
@@OUTDOORS55 can you review one? There is a brand that goes by the name of kubey, and they make budget knives please check it out.
Thanks for the recommendation.
I've got one of the DMT diamond plates and I've managed to get some good results from it but I honestly don't like using it much because there's no feedback, or at least I don't notice it. Half the time I have difficulty telling if it's even working until I test the edge with my finger.
Snagged one of these stones while there was only a few left at about $40. Hope it feels better. 👍
updates?
@@teddywael7213 Life's been busy, haven't used it yet.
@@teddywael7213
Sorry for taking forever to reply but I've used it now and I like it a lot. 👍
What about the Shapton RockStar Stones series ?
Thank you so much for sharing your valuable insight. I ordered the last one! 👍💪
if i am already using diamond stones (and love it), should i bother considering switching?
That's a really good price! Here in Italy they cost from 60-100€ per stone, depending on the coarseness!
Try Knifestock.
Here in canada they have the 1000/5000 combo on sale for $120 and the 320 on sale for $58... just made my order... my current progression is a 400grit diamond plate, to a 1000/6000 king stone and it works wonders, but my king stone is almost all worn and want to step up my quality.. $200 for 3 stones seems expensive, but from what im hearing, they ahould last the rest of my life
Oh boy, the floodgates have opened for the rest of the Shaptons, the Naniwas, and the Suehiros and the like. Right now, Amazon US (I'm from PA) has the Naniwa Green brick of joy for $58 and the Arata series (basically Chosera in a 15mm format, same as Shaptons) at similar prices to the Shapton Kuromaku line.
What flattening stone do you recommend?
I have a few of the Shapton glass stones and they are also very nice. Shapton seem to be a company that aims to deliver high quality and I will buy more stones from them in the future. The plan is to retire my Trend diamond 300/1000 and the very messy but buttery smooth Minosharp 1000/8000 and replace them with Shapton glass.
Would like a videos comparison talking about the Glass stones they provided compared to the ceramic
I use a Kuromako 320 to reestablish the apex on damaged knives, but the Shapton Glass 1000 and 6000 for the medium and fine polish. Quick strop with the green compound and I'm done.
I have the chance to get the shapton glass 1000 for 50 bucks, would this be a good one trick pony for a sharpening setup with a good edge compared to this korumaku 1000? thanks!
@@ezbakeovenhands I only have experience with the shapton glass and I think that they are great. You can't go wrong with a shapton glass stone and $50 is a great price that is hard to pass on. From what I hear the difference between the glass and the korumaku lines are minimal the main difference is that the glass stones are a bit harder and wears a bit slower. Either stone will serve you very well.
Having only a 1000 grit is a bit fine in my opinion. If you have a dull knife it will take a lot of effort to grind away enough metal to make an apex with a 1000. I would recommend something in the range of 200-400 as a first stone to establish the edge and go to a 1000 to refine it. I have a glass 220 that literally gives me an apex on a pretty dull knife in less than 10 strokes on each side. Unless you have a strong urge for a pretty mirror polish a 220, 1000, and a strop is enough for a very sharp working edge.
I came across your videos recently as I’m trying to learn to sharpen knives again. I was planning to get a tri-stone set like work sharp or Smith then I saw this video. Now I’m not sure which route to go.
All you need is 250, 1000 and 3000 stone. To restore, sharpen and finish. I use Naniwa for all my knives, happy with them, Shapton seems to be an option too. I was mostly disappointed with other purchases... Better the knife, harder the work!
The knife you got at 0:30 thats a buck spitfire aint, i got one of those too
for a beginner, do i need any other stone or will this do?
Should I get this or a diamond stone as my first hand sharpening set up?
the 2000 is a hidden gem in that line. Fantastic stone. the 1k is great too!
The 1500 is also fantastic😉
I just saw its super cheap on amazon right now. But ive already got the 1k and 2k I dont need the 1500 at all but I want to try it@@simonvolsmann
@@simonvolsmann I like the 1750
@@schwuzi the 1750,76 is even greater😁
Oh yeah, this video came right before I almost spent 300 bucks on venev phoenix vitrified diamonds. Thanks
Venev stones are better that being stated I also bought the shapton pro line and it’s good enough the venev is more for a mirror finish the f800/f1200 are more like 2k and 6k whetstones.
How does it compare with the spyderco ceramic stones?
Please review the shapton rockstar also, Its the same price, but how does it fair.
It's out of stock in most viable places for me. Is the 1500 grit an ok alternative? Or would that be too fine
water suppoed to help remove the metel shaving??
thanks for this, I wonder if I can get it in the UK
Oooh I can too ...its a little more than the one you got but not much ..not a deal breaker anyway.
Where I am in Germany the shapton glass 1000 is 30 dollars cheaper than this stone on amazon...for 50 bucks for the glass, would this be ok for a 1 stone setup? I move a lot so looking to go minimum but with a good end result. Thanks!
Just bought one. It’s already up to $42 after tax here in Texas.
Hey.
Thank you for excellent videos. I have bought a set of shapton stones now. 320 1500 and 5000. Is there a lot of difference between 1000 and 1500 or will they do more or less the same job? The 1000 was completely sold out.
There is a slight difference. Its just slightly slow removing material. If you have the 320 you can definitely just jump to the 1500.
Is this true 1000 grit or does it cut more like a lower/higher grit?
If you think the shapton 1000 is good wait until you try a chosera. The shapton stones run coarse and the chosera stones run fine. Chosera 400 is pretty similar to the shapton 1000, just a little coarser. Chosera 800 and 1000 are excellent stones. Fantastic feedback. None of them can replace diamond stones though. Neither the shapton or chosera stones cut high carbide steels efficiently.
Shapton Glass will cut anything in your collection...
I use a few of the shapton glass stones. They won't sharpen maxamet or rex121.